Oh, you've got green eyes Oh, you've got blue eyes Oh, you've got Poll eyes: NEW ORDER Artist poll #37 (voting ends May 26 Midnight Pacific)

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One of ILM's most loved bands.

I'm asking for your Top 40 New Order songs.

Ballot part one (mandatory): Your Top 40 New Order tracks. Usual scoring method (1:50, 2:46, 3:43, 4:40…) will be applied. Please order your list with your #1 at the top and your #40 at the bottom. No need to number them but remember one on top. You can vote for less songs if you would like with your number one still getting the 50 points.

Ballot part two (optional): Your Top New Order albums. If you only want to list the first five then that is fine or you can list all nine of them.

Ballot part three (optional): Your Top 5 New Order videos.

Send ballots to neworderpoll AT gmail dot com. please include your ILM user name.

Deadline for voting will be May 26, 2013 Pacific Time.

:-) :-) :-)

videos! yes!

i'm thinking that i should have made this a Top 30. first artist poll i'm running but not going to change it now.

i hope 10 days is not too long, it seems about normal?

it's good. it will take a while to figure out exactly how i want to rank 40 songs, which is a lot.

Looking forward to this one. Probably my favourite and most listened to band ever. 40 songs shouldn't be a problem at all, think the videos might be the hardest part of this poll.

i have been listening to a lot of New Order lately for my ballot. one song i had forgotten about is "Sunrise" so much power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVP0qpJNH-0

The album tracks from this periods are terrific. Love the growly bass-y ones on the first side of Brotherhood ("Broken Promise," "Weirdo").

haha I was originally thinking "40? good god that's a lot" but it seems I won't have to resort to voting for "World In Motion" after all

also want to make me semi-regular plea to ppl to reconsider/relisten to the later albums because they are actually really, really good; I sort of feel like New Order as a band didn't really know what to do with an album until Technique, with Movement being something of a fluke occurrence

That kind of writes off PCL, which I still think is their best, DJP

i still don't like the ranking. why are we all forced to rank the tracks? i'd prefer to name 40 tracks in alphabetic order with each track getting the same number of points.

are you counting all edits of a song as just the song itself?

Ballot sent.

Quickly found I couldn't stretch my ballot to 40 tracks, and very proudly didn't vote for anything past Republic.

obligatory I-saw-them-in'83 post

obligatory i-saw-hooky-in-a-pantohorse-outfit-backstage-@-glasto'05-with-keith-allen

yes i should have made this 30, that was a big mistake.

i still don't like the ranking. why are we all forced to rank the tracks? i'd prefer to name 40 tracks in alphabetic order with each track getting the same number of points.

i thought all artist poll were run like this?

are you counting all edits of a song as just the song itself?

haven't decided yet, we can talk about it for a day or so and then make it official. i was leaning towards counting it as one song but then breaking it down in the post as to what mix was actually voted on.

right, and i guess dub edits will be counted w/ the proper single

I have to confess that I like tons of New Order songs -- maybe enough to fill out a 40-song ballot -- but most of them I can't tell by name. I have to hear them and say, "Oh right, that one."

(which I guess is in keeping with their whole aesthetic, so maybe I shouldn't feel bad.)

making a top 30 was easy but 40 is oddly difficult

Deep cut/b-side reminder time.

Exhibit A: the sublime "Lonesome Tonight" - the last 2.5 minutes or so are so perfect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrmcZWsBy4

Exhibit B: the nifty "Cries & Whispers" is this track...NOT "Mesh!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NZfjbht79M

Exhibit C:

The Peel Session version of "5-8-6" blows away the LP version...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZyZtM9h-3k

(That whole session is totally awesome, of course - Turn The Heater On, Too Late, We All Stand.)

Speaking of 586, don't forget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLqdxO_5x7o

"Lonesome Tonight" is top ten: that leisurely wordless coda!

i still don't like the ranking. why are we all forced to rank the tracks? i'd prefer to name 40 tracks in alphabetic order with each track getting the same number of points.

i thought all artist poll were run like this?

― Bee OK, Friday, May 17, 2013 8:09 PM (Yesterday)

In the polls I've run, I've accepted ballots from people who want to just split the points evenly among all the tracks they vote for. It's no biggie, but I've never listed it as an option because it's not what I/we are generally going for.

at the age of 16 this was probably my favourite song of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDXBPZoV2jw

It took a few years to understand -- let alone feel -- the kind of morning after lovebuzz that Sumner sings about.

I like the option of doing fourty — it won't be very hard for me to fill out that list.

And yes, 'Dream Attack' will be rather high on my ballot.

Revisiting New Order, I'm always struck by how much of a guitar (and bass) band they were. I think of them as part of the whole synth-linndrum wave, and they were, but that was just part of the picture.

i think 3 out of my top 5 new order songs are guitar songs

How will different versions of the same song be counted?

Temptation '82 vs. '87, 7-inch vs. 12-inch, etc.

I do think this is one of the most extraordinary pieces of music ever made. The bass sequencer always put me in mind of the musical spaceship at the end of Close Encounters; the melody is beautiful, insistent and mysterious; and then Martin Hannett added what sounds like a swarm of cyber insects descending at the close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9vY-rhes6o

Chosen time will be very high on my ballot.

Likewise.

Ballot submitted. Managed a full 40-track list, and even had to trim some songs I'm fond of.

wow Dream Attack is magical. As is Doubts Even Here, the penultimate track on Movement, it is so gorgeous. Vote it high people.

a long way from fixing my final ballot, but those 2 will place high, no doubts here

Predicting a good showing for Movement.

ICB when the drums really kick in = wow.

btw pretty much the entirety of Movement is the greatest thing in the world

Movement and Technique (and Substance?) fighting it out for the best albums.

(coughs) and PCL, clearly.

dunno where this is going but it's one of my favorite late period songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KO0zeP6ftY

There's a nice recording of that one from Reading '93 as well.

You can NOW vote for songs without numbering them, i will count all songs evenly.

for those who wish to not rank their songs ballot.

Just working on my list. I made a playlist of my favourite songs, got it down to 45 songs now. I really don't want to leave any of these songs out.

Everyone Everywhere will be on my list. Actually surprised how many songs I love that came after Technique. On my playlist I have thirteen songs from the last three albums.

"Crystal" will certainly make mine.

Yeah that will do well on mine.

I know a lot of people don't rate Republic that highly but I currently have five songs on my list from that album that I just don't want to cut.

Flicking through the last two albums I realised my favourite song is Waiting For The Siren's Call by quite a long way, really hope that has enough supporters to make it. The "How many times must I lose my way" bit is one of my favourite New Order moments.

The other big dilemma I'm having is if I'm going to include Blue Monday. It's hard to even rank that song against the others due to how many times I've heard it in my life. It's a great song but I barely ever play it put of choice anymore.

The post-(e)Electronic keyboards and muted Hooky bass are Republic's most crippling flaws. The tunes are ace.

Happy to see people praising Movement. Always the dark horse from the catalogue - maligned by the band and critics alike - but I have always thought it a terrible special record. I can't think of another record that really sounds like this, but R.E.M.'s Murmur and Marianne Faithful's Broken English have a similar production feel... Very nocturnal-sounding.

I was discussing off-site the appeal of New Order's melodica songs. "Truth" ranks highly amongst my favourites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajtp7tPee1A

also "Hurt."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRu5CThEmcE

And "In A Lonely Place," "Turn The Heater On," "Your Silent Face," "Love Vigilantes," "Angel Dust" (listen during the guitar solo - more obvious in "Evil Dust"), "All The Way," "Run Wild," and possibly "Slow Jam" (sounds like it during the last 30 seconds or so). Can anyone spot more instances?

xpost - love "Waiting for the Sirens' Call."

"Morning Night and Day" is my banger from that album.

The post-(e)Electronic keyboards and muted Hooky bass are Republic's most crippling flaws. The tunes are ace.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Yeah Hooky is barely on that album.

As for Siren's Call I think it loses it's way half way through. I can never really remember of the songs after I Told You So. Turn is the other song I think I'll end up voting for from that album, really surprised they didn't put that out as a single.

Dag, looking forward to this poll. May actually participate!

By love "Waiting for the Sirens' Call" I meant the song... The album itself is OK, but loses steam midway as mentioned above.

Speaking of losing steam, I just listened to Republic for the first time in years. The first half sounds better than I remember, but the stretch of songs between "Young Offender" and "Avalanche" really draaaaags, though I like those two tracks themselves.

What I really love about early New Order is it seems like the songs are built around Steve's drums. This seems less apparent after PC&L.

I really like Special from the second half of Republic, the strings at the end are a bit of an obvious Unfinished Sympathy rip off but it's a great tune.

this discography even has videos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_discography

What I really love about early New Order is it seems like the songs are built around Steve's drums. This seems less apparent after PC&L.

I relistened to PC&L at the weekend and the drumming really stood out, 'Age of Consent' in particular.

I'm a casual New Order fan compared to many but shortlisting my favourite tracks gave me 40-odd songs to work with.

Somehow I just realized that for a band that's been active (for the most part) for 30+ years, they don't have a very large catalogue.

5 albums in the 80s (plus Substance) then 3 since 1990 means their discography is a bit lopsided on that score.

Five albums in the 80's but they all have just eight or nine songs on them.

my favourite band ages 13-16, formative experience etc. has been fun going back to songs i haven't listened to in 15+ years, early singles & first two albums still sound amazing, then things get v sporadic.
vote Procession/Everything's Gone Green!

Yeh, Procession is a bit overlooked, coming between Ceremony and Blue Monday. I love the way a pop song suddenly bursts out of that wonky keyboard wash, and Steve does those crisp snare rolls at the end.

Sent Mine.

and me mine.

hmm, are we seeing poll fatigue here?

I thought the New Order poll thread would be very, very busy here on ILM.

i got my 40 unranked songs together, there is one album i took every song of. besides that i think i enjoyed relistening to sonic youth more than relistening to new order. there were hardly any surprises here whereas i had forgotten about quite a lot of sonic youth stuff.

Ballot sent, and I greatly enjoyed listening to some of the newer albums that I hadn't given much attention to. As for the old stuff, it's never off my playlist.

I'll vote because it's easy but I don't have much to say; we talk about this band a lot

the only struggle is figuring out how to find 40 songs to rank over "Blue Monday" because fuck that; or should I say, I will rock the shack

Yeah it feels like people do obviously love this band but a lot of it has been covered on the many threads about them.

Don't worry too much about 'poll fatigue', when I did the Fall one, about half the entries arrived on the final weekend

I was totally planning to use this poll as an excuse to revisit the entire New Order discography in chronological order. However, my experience revisiting Movement was waaaaaay different than it was the better part of a decade ago. Always struck me as tentative juvenalia, but now the weird crossbreed of JD and NO elements was too interesting and unique to dismiss. If I stuck to a ballot of stuff that didn't require reassessment it'd basically be hits plus a bunch of Low-Life and Brotherhood, so I think I'm gonna sit this one out (my faves are sure to place high anyway) and use it as a tool for when I do reinvestigate the whole magilla

pretty curious to read your responses

11 ballots received so far. will email a response if you don't receive then resubmit your ballot.

thanks everyone!

Think I have my list ready. The hardest part was deciding which album tracks I'd have from Low-Life and Power Corruption & Lies. All the other albums I knew exactly which songs would be on my list but these two are such solid albums I found it hard to pick out individual songs for some reason. My albums list was easy, now I've just got to figure out which videos to go for.

btw, i have received some unranked ballots. if you don't want to rank them that is OK as well, just tell me they are unranked.

Voted! Just realised I numbered my choices and it says not to at the top. Bee, let me know if you need to send it again without the numbers.

3 since 1990 means their discography is a bit lopsided on that score.

Well, 4 now haha. Not even the poll was enough to get me to check out Lost Sirens yet.

Surprised I could come up with 40 tracks I like. I think of them as a band with very high highs and a lot of mediocre tracks, not to mention many short albums. But nothing on my ballot is mediocre (maaaaybe #40), and my top 5 tracks are all-time jams.

the numbers are not a problem. i said No need to number them but you can number them. in fact most of the ballots have numbers.

xpost

My ballot is definitely ranked, btw

I didn't put numbers on mine, but it's 1-40 from the top.

Yeah mine is 1-40 from the top as well.

this is due on the 26th? new order is so great, but i def prefer the guitar side to the rubbery dance music side and i'm not ashamed to admit it. that's just how my instrument is tuned, i guess.
anyway, i have no idea what ilx consensus is so i have to ask - age of consent is well liked, yes? (i hope the answer is yes)

like i need another assignment in life but hey, it shouldn't be that hard. i know my favorites as well as i know any songs i know.

actually, that's not true -- i like both sides of new order, i just have a preference for movement-era sound over technique-era sound
brotherhood is somewhere in the middle, low life is at the top.

i think demographic info is interesting with new order too-- i wasn't friends with a single girl in high school (89-93) who didn't like at least one new order song. i had a tshirt with a rainbow usa flag on it. i wore it to my cousin's graduation party. we lived in ohio, usa. that's basically what new order reminds me of: adolescence.

ha well my favorite NO albums are Movement and Technique so

i don't know about ilm but i don't like age of consent at all. it is a stinking ballad. new order have so many great tunes but age of consent isn't one of them. that song goes absolutely nowhere. the singing is terrible as well. for me it belongs into the bottom 10% of the new order catalogue. but i am sure there are defenders...

xp - i'm not arguing or saying what's best, just what i personally prefer -- it's pretty clear (to me at least) that my feelings about new order songs were decided when i was an intellectual and emotional tadpole.

haha! you don't really hate age of consent, do you? are you pulling my leg?!

I love "Age of Consent", & wtf at it being a ballad?

i've been listening to it and am unable to locate the ballad

"thieves like us" -- that could be a ballad
love love
lovelovelove

xp see, i knew there would be lovers. i don't hate it but i'd rather never listen to it again. pcl isn't my fave album by them neither. for me a ballad is a song without a distinctive melody but with a kind of solemnity. not sure if that always nails it but in 90% of the cases it does, i reckon. thieves like us is great btw. it is a song with a great hook and lots of dancing potential. but maybe i am pretty off the money concerning ballads. am i?

the problem is that the word "ballad" actually has a real definition and when you use it with your made up definition, no one will understand what you are talking about

most things people call "ballads" aren't even ballads they're just slow love songs

i am a lover! and that song is not a ballad. i know what a ballad is.

Movement was the last album I got, sometime in fall '92 when it was reissued. I fell for "Senses" and "Dreams Never End" before the latter got overplayed in the mid nineties. I recoiled from the JD-isms while at the same time reveling in how well they replicated the sound. Now I think it's excellent in its own right – a sound captured at the moment of its decadence.

I bought Movement in 1989 on cassette and remember vividly putting myself into a trance at journalism camp listening to "The Him" on my Walkman in a dorm room with no air conditioning

Age Of Consent is awesome and will land in the top twenty. Top ten poss.

ok good
that's more like it

definitely in my top 10. Like Blue Monday, its not a conventional song by anyone's yardstick, although I guess there's more of a hook. A song like True Faith would stand up on an acoustic guitar; you can't really separate Age of Consent from its instrumental components. That's one of the qualities that made NO unique.

I vehemently disagree about "Age of Consent" not being separable from its arrangement

xp movement is such a weird album. it is made by a different band. in between joy div and new order. the same people as new order but still on the joy division trip. it is my favourite album by new order. there is not one weak song, it all falls into place. ian is hanging in his room and they just continue making music. i really admire them for having continued.

age of consent is not my #1 favorite NO song though
just for the record
i just wondered if it was well liked

i totally agree what you wrote about true faith dr x, it is a song which can stand on its own, it can be played on acoustic guitar without losing its qualities. but additionally it is a new order song i love because it has a great hummable melody and deep inside it is very melancholic, especially when bernard sings it in his quite flat voice. like all great new order songs. blue monda like age of consent on the other side do nothing for me at all. to me they seem soulless dance robot numbers.

blue monday

age of consent is not my #1 favorite NO song though
just for the record
i just wondered if it was well liked

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:15 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Let's just say that it was a very easy inclusion on my ballot ;)

I had to stop messing around with my ballot otherwise I never would have submitted it

there are a shit-ton of b-sides on it

And fwiw: I don't, and never have, seen Joy Division and New Order as two different things. I think if you ignore the differences in singer/lyricist and play the Joy Division catalogue in order, followed by the New Order catalogue, there is a definite natural progression there. Movement of course sounds the way that it does because Martin Hannett was involved, as he had been for the two Joy Division albums, and of course Bernard Sumner (and Peter Hook) hadn't found their own vocal style yet, but listen to the backing tracks of Movement and I genuinely believe that this was the way that Joy Division were headed anyway musically. 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' and 'Ceremony' musically were far more lighter than anything on Closer, and they obviously followed this slighter lighter direction for the Movement tracks. I really do believe that if Joy Division followed up Closer, it would have been a musically (note: not necessarily lyrically), lighter record. And I don't think Power, Corruption & Lies was a clean break from Movement either... if 'Age Of Consent' had been produced and recorded by Hannett, it would have sounded like pretty much anything else they'd done with Hannett. Musically, they were the same as they ever were, just the rawness that they had is shown through because of the way that its produced. The keyboard hook to 'Age Of Consent' is quite blatantly written by the same person who wrote the hook to 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'... it's the same kind of melodic sense. So yeah, natural progression in my eyes and no clean break 'tween the two - at any point.

*slighter=slightly.

oh dammit, I somehow managed to leave "Lonesome Tonight" off of my ballot

fuck

The keyboard hook to 'Age Of Consent' is quite blatantly written by the same person who wrote the hook to 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'... it's the same kind of melodic sense.

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

xp me too, i am sure somebody will take care of it, it's a great, kind of funky song (for new order).

I think it was a poor C&P on my part, I kept accidentally hitting ctrl-Z and losing things from my shortlist

also I intentionally left "State of the Nation" off and now that I'm listening to it I'm second-guessing

xp but still, movement is hanging somewhere in between the super goth late joy division and the new mega dance act new order. it's a different animal.

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But you were "surprised at how well they replicated the sound [of Joy Division on Movement...]?" ;)

btw can I just say that if you don't have "1963" in your top five, you're doing it wrong

xp but still, movement is hanging somewhere in between the super goth late joy division and the new mega dance act new order. it's a different animal.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:02 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Well yes, it's a transitional album (most albums between a first album and a last album are), but I wouldn't say it was a different animal. That implies something radically different, and it's pretty clear from listening to the record who was involved in making it.

xp state of the nation? another pointless exercise in programming. unrecyclable rubbish if you ask me.

1963 is phantastic and that is a great praise by someone who was born in [guess year]

btw can I just say that if you don't have "1963" in your top five, you're doing it wrong

― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hehehehehe... oh indeed, I'm totally doing it wrong! But, since we scarcely see eye-to-eye on the repertoire of bands that we both like and everything...

haha, I would hi-five you but the matter/antimatter reaction would likely annihilate the world

if you can't imagine preferring 5 songs on substance alone to 1963, i assume what you're doing is PLAYING YOURSELF and I don't want to do that anyway

Well, yeah: Bernard Sumner wrote'em. He and the other two wrote the Joy Division music, so it'd make sense that Movement would sound like more of the same.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:59 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But you were "surprised at how well they replicated the sound [of Joy Division on Movement...]?" ;)

well, yeah! Sumner's singing doomy platitudes because Curtis no longer can't.

xp: well my #1 is basically going to make people think I'm insane so *shrug*

turn my way right? it's turn my way

hahahaha I should have done that, but no

oh sure new order was always great, but it wasn't until the early 00s that they truly rocked the shack

whatever. As long as "All The Way" is on every ballot.

"All The Way" is the weakest song on Technique by lots and lots, though

no that would be "Guilty Partner" -- terrible chorus.

however parasites and LITERASITES they burn me if they can

"Turn My Way" is great! And I might put "Rock the Shack" onto my ballot just for kicks.

The way I see it everyone gets to have at least one or two "dumb" songs on their ballot without getting flamed by the rest of the board, i.e. POO Rock the Shack, Every Little Counts, etc.

no that would be "Guilty Partner" -- terrible chorus.

otm ... by far

xp no, that would be love less, run or mr disco. technique is so overrated. it has a shitty title, a horrible cover and lots of inferior songs. only all the way and dream attack save it from being one of the weakest no album.

albums

"Love Less" is terrible? "Run" is terrible? I suppose you rock the shack.

literasites!

Barney's lyrics are in such a strange space of their own. Good and bad fail me.

they'll burn you if they can

nothing special those two, new order on auto-pilot. i am sure there are lots of people who like that kind of stuff, i don't though. the end of my shack is the end of my world.

xp

i'm not going to lecture you with poetry

Both 'All The Way' and 'Guilty Partner' made it onto my ballot. I'm not going to give away any more of my ballot spoilers though... bring on the results! :D

dunno how "New Order on auto pilot" can ever be terrible when the alternative is "New Order and no pilot."

OK, I ranked the bottom 25 songs on my ballot now I somehow need to rank the top 15 ... damn you New Order and all your great songs I couldn't stop listening to all throughout high school.

"Guilty Partner" rules, especially the chorus

this dissent is awesome

hope i'm not the only one that votes for Murder, Steve's galloping drumming sounding v much like Closer era JD

I vehemently disagree about "Age of Consent" not being separable from its arrangement

― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 May 2013 20:59 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xpost. I would be interested to see if anyone has covered it with a different arrangement

xp no, that would be love less, run or mr disco. technique is so overrated. it has a shitty title, a horrible cover and lots of inferior songs. only all the way and dream attack save it from being one of the weakest no album.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan)

Lies! Technique is one of the five best albums ever released. What about Vanishing Point? Round & Round? Fine Time is probably my least favourite song on there just because it doesn't really fit with the other songs that well, on it's own it's still a 9/10 though.

been really enjoying Brutal lately, think I was expecting too much when it came out oh shit it cannot be 13 years ago

in the pre-Napster days I bought The Beach soundtrack just to own "Brutal."

Forgot all about that song, I have it on the Retro box set but that really doesn't get a lot of plays. They should have put it on Get Ready really, if only there was a song on there they could have easily got rid of..

'Age Of Consent' is what, two chords, a vocal melody and a keyboard hook? There's a lot you could do with those three elements.

I would rather rock the shack than show off my love technique.

La Lechera mentioned above that she couldn't locate the ballad in 'Age Of Consent'... on a similar tack, I'm struggling to locate the logic and reasoning in much of what alex in mainhattan is posting here :/

Fwiw, Technique is hands down my favourite New Order album... to me it's their absolute peak and their best beginning-to-end full length. Stacks up very well against any "classic album" you could possibly name, too, in my very humble opinion.

Fine Time is probably my least favourite song on there just because it doesn't really fit with the other songs that well

"Fine Time" is awesome and they should have made an entire album of songs like that.

I think 'Fine Time' is a brilliant opening statement, tbh... maybe if it was placed in the middle of the album it would stick out like a sore thumb, but because it's at the beginning its not as noticeable, I think.

was Technique always loved? Depends where you're from. When I discovered New Order in '91 it was immediately my favorite album, the likes of Rolling Stone championed Low Life, a consensus that stood for years. Meanwhile reading English mags in the early nineties the album was already canonized.

fine time is a fine opener.

Was it decided whether "Substance" counts as an album for the albums voting?

hope i'm not the only one that votes for Murder, Steve's galloping drumming sounding v much like Closer era JD

fyi you are not the only one voting for "Murder"

was Technique always loved? Depends where you're from. When I discovered New Order in '91 it was immediately my favorite album, the likes of Rolling Stone championed Low Life, a consensus that stood for years. Meanwhile reading English mags in the early nineties the album was already canonized.

― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

Technique and Low-Life both appeared in NME's best albums of all time list in 93. A few years later Melody Maker did an albums list that placed both those albums in similar positions. I always thought these were their two most popular albums but these days it feels like Power, Corruption & Lies has edged out Low-Life.

really? to me pcl together with brotherhood always seemed the weakest of all of their albums.

I always thought Brotherhood was seen as the weakest of their 80's albums, PCL has always had a big following I thought?

I'm not as fond of Brotherhood as I am some of their other albums... but hang on, it has 'Bizarre Love Triangle' on it! And this gorgeous slab of beauty which of course I'm not suggesting anyone vote for*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxgtkhPMT2Q

*(this may be a fib)

Was it decided whether "Substance" counts as an album for the albums voting?

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 23:58

I voted for it.

Yes, I'm still getting my ballot in order, but that song ('All Day Long') was an automatic inclusion.

I really can't hear the usual charm in a lot of the Brotherhood tracks. It leaves me a little cold.

*not All Day Long or BLT.

Technique was always pretty much adored since day one iirc. NME had a rave, MM had that infamous Chris Roberts review
(http://internettr✧✧✧.com/users/aldgate_e✧✧✧@utopi✧✧✧.d✧/techn.html) even Smash Hits gave it 9/10.

it went to number 1 in the UK, also it had an amazing TV advert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpCr8wh6zE

Substance is not an album. Singles is not an album. The Best of is not an album. 81/82 EP is the best single disc they've every released but it's not an album.

I love the sound of Brotherhood, what Andrew Harrison in a '93 Select reassessment called "the bass of Hook, hungover" over something.

Brotherhood is a good album but Low-Life and Technique are so perfect, it just doesn't compare. Along with Bizarre Love Triangle and All Day Long, Paradise is my other favourite on there. I do have a soft spot for Every Second Counts, more for the comedy value though.

I obviously mean Every Little Counts.

Substance is the first New Order album I fell in love with. That is why I voted for it.

Notable comps have always counted on these polls. If enough people vote for it, it counts.

Brotherhood really does work best on vinyl. The sides are sequenced well and the CDs all sound extra harsh to me. I've grown to love Brotherhood over the years but it still only placed 4th on my list.

I voted for ten albums Substance and then the eight studio albums plus Lost Sirens (spoiler alert that was not at the higher end of my list) I just figured Bee could decide what was allowed to be included.

My New Order ballot will probably look like my Fall ballot: Little to nothing released after 1990. They just lost me after Technique. I tried to listen to Get Ready while working on my ballot and nothing is really sticking. Are there any standout tracks on the last three or so albums?

Turn, Waiting for the Sirens Call, Primitive Notion, Vicious Streak, Someone Like You, Morning Night and Day, Here To Stay

Yes! "Crystal," "Run Wild," "Morning Night and Day," "Waiting For the Siren's Call," "Krafty," "Someone Like You."

It's not on an album but "Here to Stay" is gorgeous.

These guys have covered the last two albums, maybe I'd add Hey Now What You Doing. I love Run Wild, Vicious Streak and Waiting For The Siren's Call. Republic has Regret, World, Ruined in a Day, Everyone Everywhere and Special.

I liked Regret and it will likely make the ballot. I'll need to check out the other ones though. I might have heard them before but didn't want to wade through a lot of dross to get to the good stuff.

xp yeah Here To Stay is their only decent song post-Republic aside from Crystal IMO.

was /Technique/ always loved?

That says more about my tastes when I was 16 than Technique however -- which is sort of indisputably my favorite New Order record now.

I simply did not get New Order then.

While I had heard Substance before, Technique was the first NO album I owned (after watching the video for Fine Time on 120 Minutes several times and was finally won over) and I was a huge Joy Division fan at the time!

new order have so many great tunes but age of consent isn't one of them. that song goes absolutely nowhere.

Wow, I feel sorry for you. That song takes me everywhere... A perfect blend of all of the elements that makes New Order a great band. Top 5 for sure.

another pointless exercise in programming

Programming takes actual talent - you don't just press a button and a machine spits out a song. Considering Stephen Morris wanted to sound like a drum machine, I'm not sure what it is exactly you get out of a band like New Order. Rockist nonsense.

oh dammit, I somehow managed to leave "Lonesome Tonight" off of my ballot

This should automatically invalidate anyone's ballot.

And fwiw: I don't, and never have, seen Joy Division and New Order as two different things. I think if you ignore the differences in singer/lyricist and play the Joy Division catalogue in order, followed by the New Order catalogue, there is a definite natural progression there.

OTM.

I thought Technique was their weakest album until I heard Republic. It's still not my favourite, but I like it more now. I really love "Love Less" and "All The Way" so some of the nasty talk above is not cool.

"Here To Stay" makes me think of how great New Order could be again with a production team with the group's best interest at heart. More work with the Chemical Brothers would be nice - or James Murphy.

Face Up must be a celebrated favorite, right? The lyrics are pretty lame but the music/melody are tops.

Woo!

Yep. Especially the intor.

Love Face Up as well and Age of Consent should be way up there.

All of the talk about All The Way has me optimistic for that one as well.

Was it decided whether "Substance" counts as an album for the albums voting?

yes i'm including. however people vote i will include. i even have a BBC Concert in there.

btw, if you messed up on your ballot (looking at you DJP) you can resubmit your ballot.

also if you looked into say video later and want to add to your ballot i can do that as well.

videos

I am watching the collected videos DVD and forgot how amazing they are!

The video for "World (The Price of Love)" makes me like the song 1000x more and imagine a CSI: New Order that never was.

"Ruined in a day" the video is one of those "Oh, I wasn't listening to the song really" videos.

Not enough love here for the amazing guitar and synth orchestrations of "In a Lonely Place."

btw, if you messed up on your ballot (looking at you DJP) you can resubmit your ballot.

you rule

seeing as it hasn't been mentioned so far, I just wanted to remind everyone that this is clearly the greatest thing they ever pulled off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcjolqpKR4g

:)

Oh god yeah, I've always been fond of that video!

up to 17, this is so very cool.

Yeah that Perfect Kiss video is one of the greatest things ever. Love watching how awkward they all look making this incredible music.

Ballot sent.

Very happy with my votes.

Further listening has cemented my belief that Republic is far better than Technique, although Fine Time is as great as ever.

Now THAT is funny.

You don't like Fine Time?

I only really like the singles on Republic

OH, OUR LOVE IS LIKE THE FLOWERS
THE RAIN, THE SEA AND THE HOURS!

*shakes arse*

there should be a "which is your favorite NO song to dance to" poll option (or top 3, if we're being serious)

I have a friend in his early 50s who for a few decades now has had a rule that he will not start dancing until someone plays "Blue Monday."

there should be a "which is your favorite NO song to dance to" poll option (or top 3, if we're being serious)

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:32 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The answer is pretty much most of them. I think folks also overlook, because of the lyrical content/Ian Curtis thing, that a lot of Joy Division stuff is pretty damn fuckin' danceable also.

i have danced to so many NO songs -- both alone and in groups of various sizes. It's totally sublime! Dancing is at least 1/3 of what I like about this band tbh.
Trying to think of top 3 favorites may take some experimenting. How many more days do we have?

there are certain newer NO songs that (I think?) have bad reputations that are incredibly fun to sing along with (esp. "Rock the Shack" and "Jetstream")

Haha "Jetstream" did not make my ballot, but dang it's a fun chorus to sing with someone else.

some of my fondest early 2000s memories include dancing to "Crystal."

ooh, that's a good one. i never went anywhere that it was played and dancing was appropriate. people are so boring!!

imo new order is great for dancing because you can attach to so many different parts of the song -- it also allows a variety of people to find something to grab onto
the lol depressive teen dance club i used to go in high school to would blow up when they played "true faith" and to this day i feel like the lyrics are floating on top of the music because i remember really ~feeling~ them one shitty friday night.

<3 dancing to new order!!!!

I only really like the singles on Republic

The singles from Republic are all pretty great (I even like Spooky in the album's sequence) but Everyone Everywhere and final three tracks (Times Change/Special/Avalanche) are also great. The whole album is drenched with that 90s flirtation with the end of days as party aesthetic that really works for me, Times Change particularly with it's menacing keyboard line and silly vocals. The videos really underscore this, too. Especially the Baywatch Regret one!

the "Times Change" oboe would be my favorite thing were it not for the existence of the "Some Distant Memory" oboe solo.

Top three for dancing:
1. Crystal (so hedonistic)
2. Thieves Like Us (used to request this when I lived in Houston, it was good for dancing and drinking at the same time)
3. Bizarre Love Triangle because everyone would mob the floor when it came on

possibly the most underappreciated New Order single is "Guilt Is A Useless Emotion"

sounds like Haddaway in the best way

Ok

Face Up for happy
Thieves Like Us for romance/slow dancin
True Faith for memories/self-loathing

Temptation is #4 for being just the best to dance to

'Fine Time' comes with its own set of acieed house moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqzsVNGM7c

i'm not going to be happy with those three tomorrow

good thing this isn't the real poll

Totally forgot about Guilt Is A Useless Emotion, not sure what I would have pushed off my ballot to include it but it is a good track and one of the few dance numbers NO did late career.

what do we think of Lost Sirens? "Californian Grass" ain't bad.

It didn't excite me like I expected it to. I've heard rumors they were in the studio with the Chemical Brothers again and Bernard must have a cache of work he did with Stuart Price, so i'm really hoping the stuff they're working on now is more electronic than their post Republic work.

What about the Bad Lieutenant album? Was anybody still paying attention at that point?

(I liked it, by the way)

There were a few songs on it I liked but since I can't recall any of them by name, i'm not sure how much I really liked them.

Voted

xxxxp

Californian Grass is the only late-period song that nearly made my list, but it ended up being #42 or something :\

OK, I've clearly been away too long and this is going to sound like the old fellow who doesn't get the internet but how are we submitting these? Email to Bee?

Opening post has all the deets.

Ahh, didn't get to end of post as was too excited making list. Thanks.

so i listened to Get Ready for the first time today. what i really remember about it is that he really didn't want to wash his car. lol. also that one song i swear is a Primal Scream song.

it was a good album, much better than i thought it would have been. not sure if any tracks will make it into the Top 40 however.

Well, Bee, you've seen my ballot, so you already know which tracks I recommend and how fond I am of that album.

I think it's a really good one. Tack on 'Here to Stay' and you have one of their best.

top five on Get Ready:

Crystal
60 MPH
Vicious Streak
Slow Jam
Someone Like You

fyi there are other awesome songs on this album besides these five, it's a really great album

My overpowering memory of "Someone Like You" is being out of my gourd in fall '02 in Chicago's Metro after a Sleater Kinney show, dancing with a lovely boy I picked up just before a busload of Koreans invaded the club.

How could you name Slow Jam, very easily the worst song in the New Order catalog, and not mention Primitive Notion, one of the best songs they've ever done.

Glad to see other people repping for Get Ready though.

I wanna live till I die
I wanna live to get high

What about Run Wild? That's always been one of my favourites on that album. Vicious Streak is one I don't think I rated that much at the time but love it now.

Run Wild is good but the alternate mix by Steve Osborne is better than the version on the album.

Primitive Notion, one of the best songs they've ever done.

Yes.

Seriously, anybody who loves Joy Division and not New Order (or vice versa) is made a fool by that song.

On the other hand, I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who hates 'Run Wild' with a passion.

I like every song on Get Ready so

Any love for 1963? It's going in my tracks ballot...

Top three, I would have thought..

won't be in my top 30, for some reason i've never warmed to it

Sorry was there a decision re. dubs/remixes? Want to vote of Regret and the Weatherall remix...

I'm thinking I really should listen to Get Ready again...

I'm glad we got to vote for 40 - Regret is the only post-80s song in my top 20 but I had room to get into the later stuff further down the ballot. The title track of Waiting for the Sirens' Call is their best reunion song imo.

The title track of Waiting for the Sirens' Call is their best reunion song imo.

― Deafening silence (DL)

I agree with this. I was kind of surprised how high I ended up putting it on my list but it's one of their most moving songs.

there're two Weatherall remixes of Regret

hah didn't know that. The one I'm familiar with is Regret (Sabres Slow 'n' Low mix).

voted! Thanks Bee OK, really looking forward to the run-down for this one.

1963 is high on my ballot, mostly for the '95 version on the Best Of. I didn't vote specifically for any remixes, but I think it blows the original out of the water.

I still vividly remember being in London as a teenager and finding out Substance there was a 2 cassette deal with all of the b-sides on it and how overjoyed I was to discover all of those songs

i bought a used cassette of the hits part of Substance in middle school and had no idea there was a 2nd disc for years

Substance on double vinyl was one of the first records I bought when I went to university 17 years ago, for the princely sum of £3. I still play it now.

My brother had/has the double CD, which I borrowed off him to tape the b-sides.

I can blame The Cure, New Order, Prince and Pet Shop Boys for causing me to gravitate towards bands' b-sides when I start really following them

The Smiths were good in that regard too.

I actually owned the "True Faith" 45, which came in its condensed Pettibone form and of course "1963"

I have that on a warped 12" with a nice big picture of a leaf on the cover:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/graphics/truefaith.jpg

sorry for hueg

Appropriately huge. One of the most iconic sleeves OF ALL TIME. /kanye

Voted. Thanks to those who chimed in with standout tracks from the later albums. A couple of them made my ballot. I particularly liked Run Wild.

Feel like top 5 sleeves would have been more appropriate for this band than top 5 videos.

yeah, I voted but only went for 3 videos. Would have voted for top sleeves and top remixes!

Feel like top 5 sleeves would have been more appropriate for this band than top 5 videos.

― brotherlovesdub, Friday, May 24, 2013 10:07 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

I bought the True Faith remix 12" because it was so pretty.

do we need to specify which mix we prefer of each sonq in question, or can we just you know say 'True Faith' or whatever?

One of the things that put me off about NO initially but I now love about them is the extent to which productions like "Face Up" have this glossy futurism as well as a flimsy, low budget quality -- often within the same song. When I hear Movement (which I am really liking), it makes me think that a big piece of the reason for that dynamic is their roots in Martin Hannett's thin, clangy productions, which a record like Low Life builds on with drum machines and synths that sound like they'd never even plugged in until the engineer pushed record in the studio.

Btw, where is Dan Selzer in this poll? I almost can't imagine ILM polling NO without him.

looking forward to seeing this in the top spot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6jG4Phsiuc

putting together my ballot i am struck by a couple of things, mainly that (a) i need to listen to brotherhood way more and (b) i hope i never hear republic again

(slightly unfair exaggeration)

i just can't believe how good Get Ready is. i have a new album by one of my all time favorite bands and i never knew about it.

i have listened to just about everything they have don within the last month or so. New Order are a great band.

done

ballot in. in the end i was surprised by how much i had to cut.

Really glad you've come to appreciate Get Ready. You'll need to track down the pre-mix version now. Wish I had voted for the 60 MaH video now. Forgot how much I enjoyed it.

how many ballots have you received yet, bee ok?

Is it a well-known fact that the synth line from 'All Day Long' is from the opening of Wagner's Rheingold?

Sent my ballot last night.

Picking 40 songs was much easier than I thought. Only 6 from the 90's on. Ranking them however....

we are up to 30

Will be sending mine in a few hours...

so i finally have my 40 songs, now to put them in order...

Whoops, I forgot all about '60mph' but I made up for it with 'Rock the Shack' at 40?

Vote 'Chosen Time', people

sent mine in Bee OK

"Chosen Time" OTM!

Chosen Time OTM indeed.

Doubt it has any hope of cracking the top 20, but my top slept-on album track is 'Sooner Than You Think'. The whole band at the top of their game, ridiculous lyrics included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buavpF0oCEg

so, who else had world in motion at #1?

lol

I forgot how good this band is

yeah, that is what i have taken from listening to their whole catalog in these last few weeks.

it has been a blast to be alive!

every little counts

Sooner Than You Think placed top 20 on my ballot for sure.

Asking for help

Need someone's help to help with the art-work.

I was planing on running this poll during US hours from Tuesday thru Friday, since Monday is a holiday.

Now things have changed. Need to give the Doors some room, also work is going to get in the way a bit.

I'm going to start rolling out the poll Wednesday night but don't have enough time to make the picture's fun.

Asking for help: Would someone who has some time like to take over the picture aspect of this poll. Whatever you want to do i'll post with the results of the tracks poll.

email me at neworderpoll AT gmail dot com.

so someone is going to help me out with this poll.

Thanks!

someone = Millsner

i really liked his idea. will be much better than i would have done.

GET THOSE VOTES IN

12 hours left

can we discuss the heavy, awesome guitar freakout attack that is "Sunrise"?

That is the sound the sun makes as it rises. If you listen closely and you're up at that hour, you can hear it.

they were so cool they hired "the Killers" as proxies for the "Crystal" video.

I still haven't voted. My ballot looks like a 15 year old made it. I might leave it that way.

As I've been thinking abt NO it strikes me how arbitrary my line is for lyrics that are too trite/corny/bad. Love Less is ok/Every Little Counts is not ok.

six hour are left

Yeah!! Ballot sent!! I just couldn't rank the 40 songs. Dreams Never End is my #1 followed by 1963 and Dream Attack. After that it would have taken me forever to rank the rest. Could I put Leave Me Alone before Sunrise? Where's Weirdo place? Temptation vs Touched by the Hand of God? Sleeper track is Mr. Disco. Hope it places high!! Most New Order video by long shot - Round and Round.

i expect my #1 to be at least top 5 - but i reckon i'll be well on my own with my #2

we so far have 37 for artist poll 37, not including mine.

VOTING IS STILL OPEN

and one more!

i have sent confirmation emails, if you haven't received it than re send it please.

I wouldn't vote the same way again. I did what I hate and voted strategically to ensure post Regret tracks got fair representation. Kind of fitting that I'm now filled with regret.

i hope it's not too late

voted!

you guys sure love "Crystal."

i'm going to bed, so if you are a bit late i will still count it.

finally voted

Yep, me too.

I wanted to vote but am on holiday. Ballot would have had a lot of 'technique'. Looking forward to the results.

i expect my #1 to be at least top 5 - but i reckon i'll be well on my own with my #2

― grange hermit crab (electricsound), Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I voted for 'face up' as my #2 too

oh if only that was it

I'll be amazed if my #1 appears on anyone else's ballot tbh

nah I voted for "Sooner Than You Think" too

You shouldn't joke about that. You're getting my hopes up.

no one has mentioned my #1 afaik but i'm confident it'll squash the competition
everyone loves "world in motion" right?

the elephant in the room, surely a #1 contender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5UK40sSo8I

that was in my top three, yes

might as well admit it... that's my number one. On some days, I really do feel that it might be my favourite song of all time.

And this is still one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen on the Internet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JP3qe595cvc

foreeeeeeever

I admit I didn't vote for it, because to me it's more "Joy Division", the b-side sounds especially like Ian. (The a-side, less so)

the 12" does credit the song to joy division

maybe but who will take credit for "world in motion"?!

ASCAP lists both 'Ceremony' and 'In A Lonely Place' as being composed by Curtis/Hook/Morris/Sumner.

maybe but who will take credit for "world in motion"?!

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Monday, May 27, 2013 8:24 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'World In Motion' is worth it for this bit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWr3xMhm0ig

and the way Peter Beardsley badly mimes "express yourself" in the video.

i always wondered who The England Man was!

you mean En-ga-land

He reprised it for a Mars Bar advert later on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ6RdObptn4

Allen wrote the Barnes rap, right? It's a clear precursor to the England's Irie rap

Yeah, I think so... I think he had a hand in the lyrics generally, though, not just the rap.

huh, listening to Lost Sirens again and I may have made a mistake in not considering "Hellbent" for my ballot

i am digging that album. just listening to it on spotify. there is nothing brilliant like eg bizarre love triangle of course but even the leftovers of their last album are pretty solid and mostly quite lovely. are they ever going to reform? hooky doing joy division and early new order albums live is really sad, recycling and reviving the past, what a waste of time.

The pristine mix helps "Hellbent"

I must be the only one who thinks "Hooky had a point" and that he's O.K. Really.

this is coming together quite nicely. i have seen a few of the photos that Millsner has put together for us. looking outstanding.

results will start to roll out in about 24 hours with the actual tracks starting around noon California time on Thursday.

Mark - you might like Hooky on the Sound Opinions podcast last week.

for the record:

I feel so extraordinary somePoll's got a hold on me: NEW ORDER artist poll #37 (RESULTS thread)