I feel so extraordinary somePoll's got a hold on me: NEW ORDER artist poll #37 (RESULTS thread)

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44 ballots received almost everyone made a Top 40 list (take that Depeche Mode)
116 different songs
11 different albums getting votes with 30 ballots
16 different videos getting votes with 19 ballots

This is ILM and New Order so i'm going BIG, hope you enjoy. Thanks for waiting but by spending the time you should be impressed with this roll out.

HUGE thank you to Millsner my co-poll runner for doing the pictures, they will debut tomorrow with the countdown.

Hooray!

About time! *puts the kettle on* :D

Are we getting a top 116?

starting with videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7wmRXEHizI

10. Ruined In A Day
56 Points, 4 Votes

Are we getting a top 116?

Top 50

#9 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uEBuqkkQRk

9.Bizarre Love Triangle
60 points, 4 votes

yahoo!

I used to think that the day would never come. But here it is!

#8 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x9mfgUsIis

8. Blue Monday
68 Points, 4 Votes, 1 number one
2 Specified '88 version and the other two I just assumed

^^ love this video; epitomizes their P(p)op art sensibility.

I used to think that the day would never come. But here it is!

i was beginning to think the same thing. there is a lot of hard work behind the scenes. i have a new found respect for poll runner after this. no wonder musically gave up on our end of the year lists.

I found it really hard to pick my favourite videos. I have a feeling my top two will be the same as the results.

#7 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfmhHxV4z4

Baywatch version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2RFmKmkEr4

7. Regret
81 Points, 5 Votes
2 Specified Baywatch but added them together as i didn't know what version the other three were voting for

i love the Baywatch version, i can see them pitching this. hey New Order we have an idea for a video. we are going to fly you out the California and have you preform on the beach. meanwhile we will have women in bathing suits play volleyball around you. what do you think?

peter hook in his leather beach trousers, naturally

"it's nothing I regret", he replied

I hate myself for posting that. I need a muzzle.

^lyric from next bad lieutenant album

lol

greatest bit of the baywatch video is the hof's entrance, obv filmed separately from the rest

#6 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JisBx7VK6g8

6. World (The Price of Love)
82 Points, 5 Votes, 1 Number One

i love the Baywatch version, i can see them pitching this. hey New Order we have an idea for a video. we are going to fly you out the California and have you preform on the beach. meanwhile we will have women in bathing suits play volleyball around you. what do you think?

― Bee OK

Just read this on Wikipedia,

The band filmed a performance of the song for Top of the Pops from the beach where Baywatch was filmed, featuring David Hasselhoff and various extras in the background. The band initially wanted to have Hasselhoff mime along to the song

That would have been great!

can't believe regret didn't place higher

#5 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kHgMvWmIs4

5. Round & Round
86 Points, 5 Votes, 1 Number One

#4 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iKyPMXQb5o

4. Confusion
177 Points, 10 Votes, 1 Number One

aw, the version of the bizarre love triangle video you linked to is missing the best part!

namely the part at about 2:37: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V5O5ovevxk

nice eye, thanks for linking that.

that version is 15 seconds longer.

Love the Confusion video. Can't remember who pointed out to me that it was shot by the v great Henri Alekan.

Holy Ghost made a practically shot-for-shot remake, complete with Arthur Baker cameo: http://vimeo.com/10870979

so the number of votes doubled for "Confusion" went from five to 10.

I just realised there is going to be a glaring omission from the top 3 :(

don't be so quick to lose hope... there be surprises ahead, let me assure you

holy ghost remake makes the original seem even more classic

#3 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_rhnHpRSXQ

3. True Faith
203 Points, 12 Votes, 2 Number Ones

Holy Ghost made a practically shot-for-shot remake, complete with Arthur Baker cameo: http://vimeo.com/10870979

this was going to be James Murphy, but they happened to run into Arthur Baker the week before; when they told him about the video he insisted on playing himself instead

have to admit that i didn't vote in the video poll. i was burnt out by then. these last two however would have been ones i would have voted for along with the next two.

Damn, forgot Confusion. Actually my 2nd fave. Voted in a rush for vids. Touched = 2, TPK = 1.

I can think of 4 more videos that would have a shot at placing, plus one lock, so there might be some tears forthcoming

#2 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65pwY25H14

2. Touched By The Hand Of God

212 Points, 13 Votes, 2 Number Ones

still genius

Hooky was the only one who could use his own wardrobe.

Phew! So glad tbthog placed, thought Crystal was going to be #2

yeah we dodged a bullet there

still room for 60 MPH at #1 though

The US promo 12" for TPK has the video version. Worth owning.

I will cry if Perfect Kiss is not #1

more on topic, however, is that Bill Paxton in that video?

Perfect Kiss will be number one, making the top three just about spot on.

Yes, it is Bill Paxton

And Rae Dawn Chong!

#1 Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcjolqpKR4g

1. The Perfect Kiss
350 Points, 17 Votes, 11 Number Ones

Hey! That's the ghost of Ian Curtis in the doorway!

11 number ones!!

I'm going to cry anyway I love this video so much. They used to play it on the giant video screen at the club I went to when I was a kid. Eleven minutes of pure joy.

19 ballots
full results for 16 videos:

350 The Perfect Kiss 17-11
212 Touched By the Hand Of God 13-2
203 True Faith 12-2
177 Confusion 10-1
86 Round & Round 5-1
82 World (The Price Of Love) 5-1
81 Regret 5 (2 Baywatch version)
68 Blue Monday 4-1 (2 '88 version)
60 Bizarre Love Triangle 4
56 Ruined In A Day 4
45 Crystal 3
41 World In Motion 3
16 Blue Monday 1 ('83 version)
16 Here To Stay 1
14 Fine Time 1
14 Shellshock 1

should i continue, or really start tomorrow?

I'm ready but it does seem a bit quiet at the moment. Were you going to do albums next?

YES

Go! I'm clicking refresh every minute.

Yeah, I'm doing the same. Maybe we should all get ready...

for the album results!

Expect the Factory 5 to be 1-5 but I'm curious about the order. Technique at 1 is a lock but the rest could be any order.

Might Republic not be higher than Brotherhood? Also interested to see where Substance fits in with the actual studio albums. Technique should be number one.

i have just seen the pictures that Millsner has done for us for tomorrow's half of the poll. all i can say is that we are in for a serious treat.

you're too kind!

very excited for the track results, anyway. some of the placings really threw me.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/The_Lost_Sirens_%282013%29_-_New_Order_album_cover.jpg

10. Lost Sirens
released: 14 January 2013
83 Points, 6 Votes

I didn't include it on my ballot because I don't consider it an album but there are a few songs on there that are worth hearing.

Didn't know this before yesterday, but that cover is a 3x3 pixel version of the WFTSC single art:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder/graphics/nuocd15.jpg

All of the JD/NO singles were given the same treatment:

http://www.niagara.edu/neworder//graphics/clashmagazineconcept.jpg

Yeah, originally done for a magazine, then expanded to include the full discography. Think it was available as a poster for a limited time as well.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/New_Order_Waiting_for_the_Sirens_Call_album_cover.jpg

9. Waiting For the Sirens' Call
Released: 28 March 2005
240 points, 14 Votes

after going back and revisiting all the albums this past couple of weeks, sirens call has aged surprisingly well

imo

I love it. Great album. Not sure why everyone slates Dracula's Castle.

Los Angeles time

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8. Get Ready
Released: 27 August 2001
Acclaimed Music ranking: 45 2001 - 373 2000's decade
257 Points, 15 Votes

xp

The album sounds merely okay to my ears these days, but I never had a problem with Dracula's Castle.

THEORY:

Since the results have been reverse-chronological so far, Movement is a shoe-in for #1 :)

I guess it's understandable that the albums they released 20-30 years after their first releases are ranked lowest but they're really great albums. Predictably, Republic will be next.

Movement at 3 or 4, imo. Either Low-Life or PCL at 2.

shoo-in, even.

I'd give Republic 60/40 odds over Brotherhood for being next. I always had the impression that the former has some real fans here.

BTW, if anyone has a copy of Get Ready or WFTSC on vinyl that they want to sell or trade, i'm interested.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/SubstanceCoverBig.jpg

7.Substance
Released: 17 August 1987
268 Points, 10 Votes, 4 Number Ones

It's a great compilation but it's not an album. It took me about 2 years of living with this compilation but eventually Disc 2 became my favorite. I've since had to buy a 2nd copy of disc 2. Would love one of the gatefold LPs. I have it on vinyl but not one of the gatefold versions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/New_Order_Republic_Cover.jpg

6. Republic
Released: 3 May 1993
Acclaimed Music ranking: 40 1993, 428 90's decade
310 Points, 18 Votes, 1 Number One

I think Republic is the best collection of lyrics Bernard Sumner ever wrote. The mess with Factory provide some great content for him.

of course that is it for the night.

will start again when i wake up (boo).

I think the top five might go,

5. Brotherhood
4. Low-Life
3. Movement
2. Power, Corruption & Lies
1. Technique

I would have liked to see Republic in the top five, it's their most underrated album.

I'd have thought PCL for 'top', the rest, yes.

16 Here To Stay 1

aw, nobody else voted for the vid?

Sumner's best lyrics on the first Electronic album.

Can't believe Republic outranked Substance and Get Ready. To this day I still feel ripped off by that album. Technique was like this amazing new vista after they had played out their second great phase, and then they phoned in the next album.
Maybe I should go back and listen to it again, it's been probably 15 years since I got it off the shelf.

well, Substance isn't an album, and Get Ready is post-peak. Republic's position makes sense.

I'm one of the folks who voted for Substance... technically not an album but a singles collection sure, but during the years I had it on constant rotation that distinction meant nothing to me at all. I still remember finally getting a CD player and immediately buying Substance for access to the second disc of b-sides.

yeah I agree re. Substance, it's enough of an album to have gotten my vote, and it's a really important record for me personally in the NO canon.

I wasn't going to vote for it until I saw that other people were

Yeah I voted for Substance - it's easily the record of theirs I've played most.

Lots of people apparently consider it an album.

Psychologically I file it with Louder Than Bombs -- sure it was a singles collection to some people, but it was the only thing available to me so I played it to death while my brain was still forming and therefore it is an album.

this is how I saw it, too.

as a budding new order fan, it was also the only way I could make sense of their early singles catalogue.

Two of my first six CDs were Substance!

Is that because it's a double cd or did you buy it twice?

Two of my first six CDs were Substance but one was by Joy Division

The other was by Bocca Juniors.

Factory Records and Boys Own were my cultural centers. Unfortunately, I was on a one man island, isolated from what was happening and only able to read about it in British publications a month or three after the fact.

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5 Brotherhood
Released: 29 September 1986
Acclaimed Music ranking: 34 1986, 306 80's Decade, 1605 All-Time
469 Points, 24 Votes

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4. Movement
Released: 13 November 1981
544 Points, 24 Votes, 4 Number Ones

thought this would be higher

should be #1

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

getting that 9 corrected

#9?!

the first time i heard movement i was around 12, it was playing in a record store downtown and i asked the clerk if it was joy division and he snickered and said 'uh NO. it's new order.' i'd always filed it as awkward and them finding their sea legs, probably would've slotted behind brotherhood for the longest time but the reissues a couple of years back (and specifically disc two of the movement one being my favorite volume or whatever of new order period) really raised it in my estimation, i think i had it third but just barely.

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3. Low-Life
Released: 13 May 1985
Acclaimed Music ranking: 7 1985, 66 80's Decade, 444 All-time
633 Points, 28 Votes, 1 Number One

I would like Low-Life so much were it not for the album versions of the singles and "Face Up"

i love the face up intro fake out

i don't know what's NOT to love about 'face up' but w/e

woo!

Trying to think of a wider gap in quality between the album and single versions of a song than "Subculture". Coming up short.

album sub-culture towers over the single is what I hope you're saying

the queasy, unsteady vocals enhance the middle stretch of the album (basically "This Time of Night" through "Sooner Than You Think", which I believe is their finest run of songs off of the albums between Movement and Technique) but absolutely destroy the rest of the album, particularly "Face Up" and the album version of "Subculture"

Haha no, I was agreeing with DJP. Maybe if I hadn't heard the single version first, I'd think of the album version as one of those half-assed NO tracks that is charming because of how quickly it was put together. But since I did, it sounds no-assed.

i'd agree that sub-culture is probably sumner's weakest vocal effort of that period, but it still comes off as charming to me. that, with hook's menacing disco bass, win me over. also not a fan of their remix stuff with john robie (too shrill & thin sounding).

(well strictly speaking "Elegia" isn't a song since it has no vocals but still)

also Vinnie is super OTM; I was so so so excited to hear Low-Life based off of the Substance 12" versions of its singles and actually sitting down with it basically felt like the band was laughing at me (awesome middle section aside)

Give it time. In the end you will in the end you will

Low Life is essential for students of Bernard's vocal stylings ("oh HOW I CAN-NOT BEAR the THOOOOOUGHT OF YOOOOO").

just reading that is making my skin crawl

"Sooner Than You Think" is a mad underrated lil narrative.

xp standard bearer for a proud lineage of whoops and oooophs

(it was after this album that I decided I would never see New Order live because I didn't think I could take Bernard's voice in a live setting)

SOMETIMES IN LIFE YOU TAKE A TUMBLE

Yeah, Sooner Than You Think never gets enough credit

Y'all are being way too hard on Bernard's singing!

ooh!

I'm seeing them for the first time in July, will report back on whether Mr. Sumner is up to the task.

Don't let anybody tell you that you're no good, cuz you know they would.

Imagining what a masterpiece Shannon would have made of "This Time of Night" is a fruitless exercise.

I truly have 0 problems with his singing -- I think it's charming, enthusiastic, and full of character.
Ooh!

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2 Power Corruption & Lies
Released : 2 May 1983
Acclaimed Music ranking: 6 1983, 73 80's Decade, 477 All-time
728 Points, 29 Votes, 5 Number Ones

whew!

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1. Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
Acclaimed Music ranking: 5 1989, 50 80's Decade, 477 All-time
793 Points, 29 Votes, 15 Number Ones

that's a lot of #1 votes

couldn't have been any other way!

yeah, order makes a lot of sense.

I am vv curious how the first electronic album would fare if it had been included

I bet it would have scored very high since it is awesome

30 Ballots
Full results for 11 Albums:

793 Technique 29-15
728 Power, Corruption & Lies 29-5
633 Low-Life 28-1
544 Movement 24-4
496 Brotherhood 24
310 Republic 18-1
268 Substance 10-4
257 Get Ready 15
240 Waiting For The Sirens’ Call 14
83 Lost Sirens 6
19 BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert 1

first Electronic album would have been my #1 by a mile

Yeah might have been interesting to include it - even though Marr is involved it always sounded like NO to me. I rank it up there with Technique which was my #1.

so are we ready to start this thing for real?

I only have a problem with his voice when I compare it to others.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/50Mesh_zpsb68bbddb.jpg

50. Mesh
From: Everything's Gone Green
Released: December 1981
228 Points, 13 Votes

again a big thanks you to Millsner for the pictures.

FYI: http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/62YSDYuNcMWbrUBYTl8kh6

I'll make this collaborative so I'm not the only one updating it

I don't think that picture URL works for anyone besides you? You may need to host the pics somewhere.

damn thanks for letting me know DJP

be back after we get the kinks worked out.

Goddamn it I confuse "Mesh" and "Hurt."

That's beautiful. Excited about these images now. Peter Saville wouldn't tolerate an ugly rollout.

hey Millsner can you check your email

yep. saw my reply? you should have received a notice from photobucket.

#1 video and #1 album both OTM.

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49. Ultaviolence
From: Power, Corruption & Lies
Released: 2 May 1983
241 Points, 13 Votes

Wow, those pics!

ultraviolence is tremendous live, but I always used to confuse it with 5-8-6 and ecstasy.

gonna have to listen to Mesh again, never recall it making much of an impact.

I had forgotten that "Ultraviolence" is great

It's the one with the vocoder, right? The only word I ever made out was the title, once.

i have never been able to remember the names of the songs on PC&L and finally i remembered this one! so glad it showed up!

Sumner was actually castigating young Dan for hating his voice.

Ecstasy is the one with the vocoder.

I always ranked Mesh as the least of their early b-sides, which I guess is reflected in its ranking here. I'm surprised it placed at all! it doe have a cool kind of chilly spaghetti western vibe.

I am hoping that "Procession" ranks really, really high

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s7Zf652NI0s/UaezzcLeiXI/AAAAAAAAABk/7KfIwr1bfN8/w640-h320-no/48+Waiting+For+The+Sirens%2527+Call.jpg

48. Waiting For the Sirens' Call
From Waiting For the Sirens' Call
Released: September 26, 2005 (7") and October 3, 2005 (CD)
249 Points, 15 Votes

I love that the sources for the pictures are included on them

I am hoping that "Procession" ranks really, really high

well it got at least one no.1 vote *cough*

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47. Weirdo
From: Brotherhood
Released: 29 September 1986
260 Points, 15 Votes

ooh!

^^^ adore this song -- one of my favorite guitar breakdowns ever

and Morris drums like a beast

I love that the sources for the pictures are included on them

this was a serious PITA, but unattributed pics are so rampant on fan pages that I would've felt shitty for perpetuating the problem.

PITA that's worth it! i like knowing.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X2TTkRUo7dg/Uae7JwEtzRI/AAAAAAAAADM/_S7kJQ7fDS0/w640-h320-no/46+Ruined+In+A+Day.jpg

46. Ruined In A Day
From: Republic
Released: 21 June 1993 (single) and 3 May 1993 (album)
261 Points, 12 Votes

huh "Ruined In A Day" appears to not be available for me on Spotify

some people like to deceive you

there was a great remix of this, but I cannot remember what it's called :\

reposting the Spotify playlist I started; should be set to collaborative now so feel free to update as I go drink heavily with ppl in town for my wife's college reunion:

http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/62YSDYuNcMWbrUBYTl8kh6

"Ruined In A Day" is the song with the least votes to break into the Top 50. 12 people voted for it.

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45. Here To Stay
From: 24 Hour Party People Soundtrack
Released: 15 April 2002
265 Points, 15 Votes

The production on this one points to what Get Ready should have sounded like.

Yay! I love all the artwork for the Republic-era singles.

Weirdo is great. Love how the second verse has no vocals.

Also pulling for a high placement for Procession. I liked it for years but in the last couple I've come around to thinking it as one of my favorite songs of theirs.

all the deluxe 2-disc reissues used to be on Spotify but now they.. aren't (in the UK at least).

Procession was in my top 10 I think

Awesome stuff.

Huh. I'm not sure I've ever heard Here To Stay.

here to stay / weirdo were my #4/#5

it's on the singles comp xp

had i voted this "here to stay" would've been top 5

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44. ICB
From: Movement
Released: 13 November 1981
282 Points, 15 Votes

i voted for the video too, great vid xp

Much prefer the dude who played Sumner in 2002 to the one in Closer.

ICB was in my top 20. Not my favourite thing on Movement, but close.

Movement got its first wide non-import release in America in 1992, so when I heard "ICB" without prompting on the college station I wasn't sure whether it was New Order or mimickers. It thrilled me to learn there was another album I needed to own.

The most JD song on Movement

those Space Mountain synth whoops!

i have never been able to remember the names of the songs on PC&L and finally i remembered this one! so glad it showed up!

― free your spirit pig (La Lechera)

Yeah I have this problem too, apart from Your Silent Face and Age of Consent I can never remember the songs I like.

Happy with the albums results, I've never understood the Movement love but can't argue with that top three.

I'm glad Waiting For The Siren's Call made it but was hoping it would a little higher. I think it's one Barney's best vocals and as I mentioned in the voting thread the "How many times can I lose my way" bit is one of my favourite New Order moments.

Weirdo was one of only three songs I voted for on Brotherhood, it's a good album but not really full of big highlights (apart from the obvious two)

Ruined in a Day should be higher, beautiful song with great production. Not sure which other songs (apart from Regret) will make it in from Republic, hopefully World and maybe Everyone Everywhere.

I dunno. Brotherhood's the album to play to people who still think NO are a dance act; once you start, "Broken Promise" and "Way of Life" become unassailable.

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43. Doubts Even Here (Peter Hook lead vocals)
From: Movement
Released: 13 November 1981
297 Points, 14 Votes

i came really close to voting for that track before i realized i wanted to vote for 'denial' instead

I gained renewed respect for these tracks after watching the Taras Shevcenko concert.

can i be the first to say TOO LOW!

OTMFM. Outraged TOO LOW.

What the actual fuck!? Way too fucking low. In fact, it was possibly this very moment for which the phrase "too fucking low" was actually invented. Seriously, ILX!? What the fucking fffffff *spontaneously combusts*

Top 5 for me, in and amongst the big monster genius singles.

Just watching the BBC radio 1 TV broadcast from 1983. Temptation is the only one Barney doesn't royally screw up. I remember staying up till 2 or 3 am in the hope they would show the Love Will Tear Us Apart vid. Oh the days before the internet....

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42. Sunrise
From: Low-Life
Released: 13 May 1985
303 Points, 19 Votes

i thought this was a lock for my Top 5 before doing my list, just dropped to 11.

Terrific unhinged Bernard gitar!

I expected this would place higher, being one of their most-requested songs at gigs.

Sunrise was one of the last songs I cut from my ballot. I voted for six out of the eight songs on Low-Life in the end.

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41. Guilty Partner
From: Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
309 Points, 17 Votes

and here comes the technique juggernaut :)

Noice. Voted for this one, but not sure I've ever heard anyone else ever mention it.

I wonder if anything off Technique will actually miss out? Guilty Partner came last in the Technique poll a few years back.

It was the least immediate track on Technique for me, but I've grown to like it. It fits well as a closer to side A.

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40. World (The Price Of Love)
From: Republic
Released: 23 August 1993 (single) and 3 May 1993 (album)
323 Points, 17 Votes

Yes! Love this song, glad to see others do too.

one of their finest pop moments

Reunited in a Day is the good remix btw xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxpost

"World" was dated even in 1993 but it's a terrific post-house track. With great remixes.

xpost yes! much better than the album cut

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39. Love Less
From: Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
340 Points, 20 Votes

world does nothing for me (nah nah nah nah), can't understand it placing whatsoever

It's crazy for New Order to ignore Technique live.

really, i never thought about that but you are right.

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38. Touched By the Hand Of God
From: Salvation! Soundtrack
Released: December 1987
370 Points, 19 Votes

I voted for every one of these.

'touched' was the first new order 45 i bought iirc

(and probably the only 45 from back then i still own)

Beautiful sleeve on Touched. It wasn't released as a single in America so we had to get it on the BM88 12". It's the best side of that single.

so the heavy metal band parody video of touched has something to do with the movie salvation? I never did get around to watching it.

love this picture, top notch Millsner.

I've always really liked Touched By The Hand Of God; it's not in my top twenty but it seems kind of slight and I like that! Isn't there a story about Tony Wilson saying this had a chorus so was lame, whereas Blue Monday never did so was awesome? Tried to find something on google but nothing much comes up.

Oh, And I have the 45 for this as well. It may even be the first New Order I bought. Hmm.

There's a version of it on the Japanese version of Salvation (and maybe somewhere else) that just crushes the other versions.

Bernard "Ace" Albrecht, ha! I guess we should refer to Ace this way in the rest of the thread!?

Love TBTHOG, especially with the video. Huge sound on this. Another in the great line of Ace lyrics that might be about wanking, too.

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37. Elegia
From: Low-Life
Released: 13 May 1985
392 Points, 23 Votes

Ah, the first New Order track I out-and-out loathe has placed. Never was the biggest fan of 'Touched By The Hand Of God', and to see it place over 'Guilty Partner' and 'Doubts Even Here' is frankly criminal. The video is brilliant, though.

I love 'Guilty Partner', whenever the chorus kicks in its an amazing moment... and that bit after the chorus and before the verses where the bass descends and the guitar climbs.

Elegia is too low as well.

Wiki:

According to drummer Stephen Morris in an interview with Select magazine in 1993, the album version of the song was a 5-minute highlight of a recording 17 and a half minutes long. As the internet became widely available, a poor-quality mp3, allegedly of this recording, surfaced in the mid-90's. However, it was not until the release of the compilation boxset, Retro, in 2002 that the full recording officially saw the light of day. The song was used as the conclusion to the bonus fifth disc included with early releases of the set. The mp3 that found its way onto the internet did appear to be the same as the song later released. This version was also released on the 2008 Collector's Edition of Low-Life.
Elegia is Latin for elegy.

The band have stated that the song was written in memory of Ian Curtis

SUNRISE TOO LOW!

yeah, i agree but it did get 19 votes.

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36. Face Up
From: Low-Life
Released: 13 May 1985
393 Points, 20 Votes

Yaaaaay

Ooh!

Touched received 370 points, didn't mess up the order...

HOW!?

lol

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35. Cries and Whispers
From: Everything's Gone Green (B-Side)
Released: December 1981
402 Points, 18 Votes

so good

yay! such energy

they can't play this song enough

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34. In A Lonely Place
From: Ceremony (B-Side)
Released: 6 March 1981
413 Points, 21 Votes

OK, the image scared me for a minute

didn't make it for me, felt odd to have to leave it off though

xpost

I have a feeling that ceremony will be fine ;)

I remember dropping like $20 for that 7" just so I could hear the first version of Ceremony. After I bought multiple copies of the green 12" that kept being the second pressing!

My #6 -- the guitar sound on this is extraordinary.

"Hurt" = "Cries and Whispers" no?

These pictures are so great! Really enjoying this rundown.

I have realised there are a few tracks I really should have voted for that I inexplicably overlooked. eg Hurt. :(

Never mind. I've just realized that "Mesh" is a track I've never in my life heard.

these tracks poll results are making for a great new order crash course/primer

yeah, I'm a casual fan and hearing this countdown is blowing my mind

"Cries & Whispers" is deffo too low. Top 10 for me.

I was one of the #1 votes for Movement so that should have been higher than 4th, but I don't bow at the altar of Technique like most of you.

I voted for most of what has placed so far. Looking forward to more!

xp. Alfred, I know people always get C&W mixed up with "Mesh" thanks to someone screwing up the titles on the Substance b-sides disc/tape, but I have never heard of anyone mixing up C&W and "Hurt" before. :-/

I blame them: titles and so on.

now I realize I've never owned "Mesh" in any form.

at this point i wonder whether my #2 didn't make the top 40 at all or it's a lot more popular than i thought

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33. Crystal
From: Get Ready
Released: 13 August 2001 (single) and 27 August 2001 (album)
414 Points, 24 Votes

Should be higher: top twenty. What a fantastic shock to hear this in summer '01.

Surprised this is so low. Doesn't bode well for the rest of Get Ready, either.

"Crystal" got just 1 more point then "In A Lonely Place." 24 people voted for it compared to 21 for "In A Lonely Place." it deserved to come out on top.

I love In a Lonely Place, but Crystal is where I am at these days.

Whoa. Shocked at this so low. Definitely means no Primitive Notion now. Easily one of the best songs they've done since the glory years of the mid80s.

maybe some Get Ready strategists sacrificed Crystal to boost... every other song from that album.

I fully expect Rock the Shack in at #5

Alfred otm about Crystal -- it sounded SO GOOD at the time ( with an exception for honey/money but hey who cares with a beat like that)
Yaaaay crystal.

One of my top ten has placed already. Kinda bummed about that, but I understand why (it was 'Here to Stay').

But, I have to say, as someone who was disgusted by Republic upon revisiting it for this poll, I'm pretty upset at this juncture.

And yeah, what the fucking hell RE: 'Mesh'????????????!?!?!?!!!!!

It's identified as 'Mesh' on my copy of Substance, but upon further investigation, that song that's labeled 'Mesh' is clearly 'Cries and Whispers.'

I'm fucking befuddled.

Seems about right for "Crystal" tbh. Sooooo freakin' many definitive 80s tracks innit.

The track listing on Substance is wrong. What is Cries and Whispers they label as Mesh. Mesh is not on Substance at all.

But, I have to say, as someone who was disgusted by Republic upon revisiting it for this poll, I'm pretty upset at this juncture.

It's identified as 'Mesh' on my copy of Substance, but upon further investigation, that song that's labeled 'Mesh' is clearly 'Cries and Whispers.'

it's one of the most notorious mislabellings in the history of rock

Disgusted?!?

i'd agree with that

guys, that was my #1 album pick, come on

Republic sucks.

Bad.

i didn't like it back in the day, and liked it even less on relistening to it

it's one of the most notorious mislabellings in the history of rock

Maybe it was mislabled on the original single? And the labeling on Substance was the correction?

It appears on the Factory Benelux 'Everything's Gone Green' single, and on the 1981–1982 EP. Both are labelled correctly.

it was mislabelled on 81-82 ep iirc?

or not

Has the band ever clarified?

apparently the FBN 12" is incorrect according to http://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Everythings-Gone-Green/release/1197986

ah, that's it then.

I have the 1981–1982 EP and it's definitely fine.

the total lack of connection between titles and lyrics certainly hasn't helped

So wait. . .

What we've known as 'Mesh' on Substance is actually its real title? And that was the correction?

what? no

the Mesh/ Cries And Whispers mis-titling and other confusions are cleared up by the Recycle blog

http://neworder-recycle.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2009-08-04T19:40:00-07:00&max-results=35&start=28&by-date=false

it is also cleared up on those 2CD sets that came out by Rhino a few years back.

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32. Mr Disco
From: Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
417 Points, 20 Votes

my god this song -- it's indie rock reconfigured as a late eighties version of disco.

Don't mind seeing "Crystal" this low. Never cared for it that much - thought it was seen by most as sub-Electronic?

'Mr. Disco' — fuck yeah.

My #11 though, so obviously I think it should be higher.

so " Mr Disco" got 417 points, 3 more points than "Crystal." "Mr Disco" had 20 votes and won to "Crystal" 24 votes.

I love how Mr Disco salvages the bass sequencer from State of the Nation in service of a much better song

I guess As It Is, When It Was wont be placing.

^^^I voted for it.

"Mr Disco" is great, didn't make my Top 40 however.

yeah same w/ me

I'm disappointed Crystal is so low, I have a feeling apart from Regret there won't be anything else from the last three albums in the list now.

(not that there's anything wrong with that)

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31. 5 8 6
From: Power, Corruption & Lies
Released: 2 May 1983
440 Points, 22 Votes

surprising

I didn't vote for it, but wow, what a great track.

seems really low though maybe we're getting to the point where it's just crazy loaded from here out

Can't fucking wait for the top five being all from Technique.

(okay, maybe 'Ceremony' at #5)

that seems... unlikely

You're right.

'Ceremony' at #1.

My bad.

seems really low though maybe we're getting to the point where it's just crazy loaded from here out

this is OTM

what i have realized is that New Order is one of rocks best bands, period.

Obvious post is obvious.

that is it for tonight

Top 30 tomorrow

and "5 8 6" was robbed, should easily be in the Top 30.

my 17

my 5!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTJj2fMf25Y

is anyone updating Spotify?

Here's that remix of Touched from the Japanese Salvation soundtrack. My fav. version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEx4wbnpGBw

That is a rather pleasing take.

XP: I've been updating Spotify for the last dozen or so, seeing as I'm listening along anyway. Wasn't previously aware one could be allowed to edit another's playlist.

Yeah you make em collaborative...

http://www.jeremyriad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/standard-designs-new-order-550x412.jpg

Wow, these are al cool:

http://img0.etsystatic.com/016/1/6097572/il_570xN.449116830_qu67.jpg

Nice! Where re they from?

http://www.etsy.com/listing/127638114/new-order-power-corruption-lies-album-as?ref=shop_home_active

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seems really low though maybe we're getting to the point where it's just crazy loaded from here out
this is OTM

what i have realized is that New Order is one of rocks best bands, period.

― Bee OK, Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:53 PM (Yesterday)
I'm gonna ask the same question I used to ask myself while listening to/dancing to NO songs as an adolescent:
Why can't I find any more bands as good as New Order?

Which reminds me that anyone who cares should try to find the Afghan Whigs version of Regret. I think it sounds really good on them, a really different band. I think I have it on a CD somewhere, but haven't listened to it in years. At the beginning there's this stupid stage banter and lol Dulli is like "who wants a New Order song?" and then goes on and on lamenting that not enough people still like new order.

i'm lamenting that i have never seen them live. would i still enjoy it? i go to shows all the time, but not bands of their stature.

New Order live? They're pretty good these days, but it's def. nostalgia filling in the gaps.

I saw Peter Hook doing Movement karaoke with a very capable band recently, which I must admit I enjoyed rather guiltily. His voice suited the material well to begin with but by the end of the show he sounded flat as a pancake. I imagine the current incarnation of NO would do a good job though.

https://soundcloud.com/dperis/afghan-whigs-regret-new-order-cover-live

there it is! the banter is INTERMINABLE but it's worth it to hear him say "i LOVE new order" and the song is obvs good

it's def. nostalgia filling in the gaps.
whose nostalgia, is what i wonder

Barney in particularly seems almost medically happy these days, super well adjusted. I'm not sure he's nostalgic so much as just happy to make people happy. The fans ... it's a mix of old-person (me) nostalgia and people who have no idea who the band is and what they mean but are just happy to be there.

Those book prints are gorgeous. Surely the Disintegration one has DJP's name written all over it.

http://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/130499324/the-cure-disintegration-album-as-books?ref=shop_home_active

people who have no idea who the band is and what they mean but are just happy to be there.
ha! i know those crowds, but i can't imagine one for new order!
that's kind of a bummer but as long as everyone is having fun, no harm done right?

I saw them in Manchester 11 or 12 years ago with Hooky on board, it was a good mix of "I was there in '81" die-hards and younger people like me.

Sumner's reticence about his life is his most attractive quality, and that British trait shines through his voice and lyrics: beneath the boilerplate lies the truth.

Those book prints are gorgeous. Surely the Disintegration one has DJP's name written all over it.

Did you see the Faith one? Gorgeous!

The attention to detail is great. On the Autobahn one the title track paperback is much thicker than any of the others.

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30. Hurt
From: Temptation (B-Side)
Released: 10 May 1982
465 Points, 14 Votes

and we are back for the Top 30

hope everyone is enjoying this

you bet!

totally!

I realised I forgot to vote for this after submitting my ballot. Probably should have been in my top 10.

I love that New Order could throw away songs this great as a non album b side

New Order really know their way around a 7-or-8-minute song. Temptation, Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us... I love how they just keep unfolding and unfolding until you're just surrounded by them. Hurt is one of these. Is the extra minute of song on the 1981-1982 EP a result of being on vinyl or is it actually different from the 7-minute Substance version?

yeah crackin poll so far. can't believe that i'd never heard Mesh, amazing track.

Bis did a kick-ass cover of Hurt on their FACT EP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cN6OdZtt8

Maybe next RSD they'll repress the 1981-1982 EP... it's got nothing but great songs and a beautiful cover!

81/82 EP is the single best New Order disc, record, artifact.

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29. All Day Long
From: Brotherhood
Released: 29 September 1986
469 Points, 23 Votes, 1 Number One

first song to show up in the Top 50 that has a number one vote.

Is the extra minute of song on the 1981-1982 EP a result of being on vinyl or is it actually different from the 7-minute Substance version?

It's slightly extended from the Substance version, gaining a longer breakdown near the middle, iirc.

adore the slamming-door snare sound on this

No idea why All Day Long isn't more universally loved. It has all the elements of a classic New Order track. Suppose not being a single hurt and maybe the subject matter is a bit awkward to really get behind but it's one of my favorites. The electro beat sounds incredible turned up SUPER LOUD.

Damn this is a beautiful song

it's an excellent driving song

'All Day Long' is undoubtedly one of my favourites... numerous reasons why this track tends to get overlooked: being buried away on Side Two of Brotherhood (quite possibly their weakest album of the '80s), not being aired very much live in comparison to other "beautiful" New Order tracks like 'Your Silent Face', not being a single.

Simply put, to me this is one of the most beautiful moments in the New Order back catalogue... those gorgeous keyboards throughout, and it kicks seven sorts of shit out of any other track on Brotherhood that isn't 'Bizarre Love Triangle'. Still feel it's a touch too low, though... alongside 'Doubts Even Here', this is one of my big big New Order favourites.

Movement is their weakest eighties album.

"All Day Long" and "Angel Dust" pair well, don't they? The latter sounds like an early incarnation of the disco metal they perfected on "Touched..."

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28. Shellshock
From: Pretty In Pink soundtrack
Released: March 1986
472 Points, 22 Votes

The 12" boasts an extended remix of the song running nearly ten minutes, arguably New Order's longest recording behind the original cut of "Elegia". For the release of the popular singles compilation Substance, the original Pretty in Pink soundtrack version was not used, as is widely believed, but an edited version of the 12" remix cut down to six and a half minutes omitting an entire verse of vocals. It is this version that appears most often on CD. As yet, the 9:41 single remix remains unavailable on CD, but the Pretty in Pink soundtrack version contains all of the original vocals. The cover artwork on the 12 inch single is by English photographer Geoff Power and is unique in that the typo 'Alex' on the front top cover [part of the found graffiti] was not added by Peter Saville, the designer.

Used Shellshock 12" mix with panning hi-hats to convince my Mom to buy a new car. One of my favorite sleeves and run-out grooves in the New Order catalog. 'So Hip It Hurts'

"After all the years, now i can't stand the tears, somethings gonna happen, shellshock"- That's the entirety of the omitted verse. Not very essential but it would have been nice if they had put the full version on Substance.

Huh, not sure I've heard the original version, only the version on Substance. Love how the intro trickles in slowly, and the weird little piano part before the vocals come in.

I don't think I've heard the Pretty in Pink version - it's different to the version on Substance, right?

I am going to have to bust out "Pretty In Pink" when I am next at my parents' house because I don't remember it being almost 10 minutes long

(I do remember the omitted verse; IIRC it fits into the spot where the random cutup is)

It's the 12" single that's nearly 10 mins long, I think the PIP version is about 6 minutes

ah okay that makes more sense now

Used Shellshock 12" mix with panning hi-hats to convince my Mom to buy a new car.

wait by what mechanism did this work

i understand them cutting it down for Substance, they needed the room. what i don't understand is why on the 2CD set that Rhino released in 2008 still has the shorter version. they could have easily put out the 10 minute version on that comp and have it on CD for the first time.

I've never heard it but maybe the extra four minutes are Bernard farting into the mic.

I'm a lover of 'Shellshock' and proud... it just has one of those choruses that appears in my head just out of nowhere and I'm all like "yup, I must listen to that immediately". The only criticism I can level at 'Shellshock' is that perhaps its production treatment hasn't aged as well as a lot of other '80s New Order tracks.

Brought Substance to the car dealer. Went for a test drive with her, played Shellshock loud and she was blown away by the sound system in the car. Don't think she had heard panning like that or electronic music before so it made an impact.

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27. Chosen Time
From: Movement
Released: 13 November 1981
488 Points, 18 Votes, 2 Number Ones

lyrics are a problem for All Day Long imo. My 29, but I think of them as Barney at his clumsiest, and they're both serious and front-and-centre. They get in the way for me.

tremendous. I'm surprised this wasn't even higher, based on the love it got in the nominations thread.

I'm still catching up on the playlist but it really throws me that one of the synth lines in "All Day Long" sounds like the beginning of "The Little Drummer Boy"

Love for Movement perplexes me, and probably the band too. Joy Division methadone at best.

lol

The appeal of Movement for me is the way that it sounds... I can't help but love the production on it, even if it *is* somewhat lighter in tone than the Hannett production treatments on the two Joy Division albums. I think I'd probably like Brotherhood a lot more if it didn't sound so scratchy and sloppy, and sounded more like Movement.

Movement rules because it was the only coherently assembled album with no outright clunkers or painful performances on it until Technique

It just sounds grey and indecisive to me. I should maybe try it again.

I'm sure i'm influenced by what i've read about their situation at the time but it sounds like a group of people overcome with inspiration, grief and fear. It took a while for me to really love I'm glad I stuck with it. Nothing else really sounds like it. Can you imagine if it had included Ceremony, In A Lonely Place and Procession?

Turrican otm. It's the singular sound that drew me to it.

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26. The Village
From: Power, Corruption & Lies
Released: 2 May 1983
492 Points, 26 Votes

no matter where this one was going to place it was going to be too low. a song that just makes me get up and dance. will put a smile on my face every single time. should have been a single.

my #9

haha this song is so great

there are seeds of the stuff I complain about in "Face Up" there but all of the components are working together instead of against each other; also Bernard doesn't sound like he's passing a kidney stone

I wasn't always into this, but it's one of the most joyous things they've ever recorded.

I absolutely love 'The Village', one of those New Order songs that fills me with so much joy I just wanna shake my arse, throw my arms wide and thank whatever forces are up there that music even exists. It's a thousand sunny days packed into under 5 minutes (or a lot of E, if you're that way inclined).

New Order really know their way around a 7-or-8-minute song. Temptation, Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us... I love how they just keep unfolding and unfolding until you're just surrounded by them.

toooooooooooooooootally

it received 492 points, will get that corrected.

It's the little things with this band that always get me: The "funk" guitar skittering throughout Chosen Time; the syncopated bass synth line that jumps an octave right at the end of The Village.

sorry that was a massive XP -
i think i came around to the idea of a long immersive song through NO tbh!
had never heard anything like that before, and theirs go down so easy

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25. Lonesome Tonight
From: Thieves Like Us (B-Side)
Released: April 1984
495 Points, 25 Votes

such a beautiful song

their greatest b-side?

I like "Procession" and "1963" more but "Lonesome Tonight" is great

procession had its own release, but I forgot about 1963. wasn't there a story that it was originally intended to be the A-side w/True Faith?

Procession is an A-side, technically. 8 different sleeve variations!

Yes, the Sound on Sound interview with the producer mentioned they weren't sure what would be the A-side until the very last moment.

"Lonesome Tonight" sounds like New Order and The Cure listening to each other and calling pax.

I just listened to lonesome tonight for the first time. it was awesome.

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24. Sub-culture
From: Low-Life
Released: November 1985 (single) and 13 May 1985 (album)
511 Points, 23 Votes

for this being such a big song, i'm surprised at the placing. i really thought that this one was going to be much higher.

Dan rigged the results to endure the album version took most of the hits

Record Mirror mix of this is the ultimate version. It's also one of the 3 Razormaid mixes but I can never remember which one.

this has got to be one of their most fan-dividing songs, no?

I just put the single version on the playlist ^_^

also album version 4 life

one of my favorite pieces of doggerel ever: "A view without a room/unveils the truth so soon"

Lonesome Tonight far too low - also the first song i ever learned on bass, its really easy!

I honestly don't understand how ppl can dislike the backing vocals on the single version

The whole thing is basically joy distilled into a knife

I was seriously tempted to use the sad keanu pic for this song

I do actually like the menacing march that the album version builds into, it's just a shame about what happens before that point

Bernard wouldn't be above writing "I've joy distilled into a knife/I knew that you would be my wife."

"/goodbye city life"

I can't stop focussing on what sounds like an out of time bass sequencer when I hear the 12" version.

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23. Run
From: Technique
Released: 28 August 1989 (single) and 30 January 1989 (album)
573 Points, 26 Votes
*Run 2 was taken out and listed as a separate song: 80 Points, 4 Votes (if added it would jump two spots to number 21 with 653 points.)

That sounds to me to be very intentionally on the offbeat to add a more dynamic rhythmical sense to the song; the bass line makes the 12" version gallop and the album version is very lumpen and stolid in comparison.

man, I used to really hate "Run" and then one day it just CLICKED

still didn't vote for it though

(part of my issue is that it doesn't feel like the song starts lyrically until the second verse)

"Run 2" was remixed by Scott Litt from the version on Technique, hence the appendage of "2" to the title. The main difference is that the song has been made more radio-friendly by editing down most of the long instrumental run-out and appending it with a final repeat of the chorus. Litt's mix strips back much of the echo and layers of synthesizers, and in place centres the mix on Sumner's vocal and the bass guitar of Peter Hook. Despite the effort taken to produce a radio single, only 20,000 of the Factory 12" release were ever pressed. 500 7-inch records were also pressed, for promotional use. The single was only released in the UK.

No way. Run and Run 2 should be counted together, IMO. Looked for this 12" for years and when I finally broke down and bought one on Discogs, I ended up finding 2 locally the same week.

Somehow lucked into a copy of the 7" as well. If you're a fan of this song you should seek out the demo/mix collection online. There's an instrumental version that rules.

"81/82 EP is the single best New Order disc, record, artifact."

Yup. Got it at a record fair shortly after release, nothing was ever the same.

'Run' was one of only two songs off Technique that I didn't vote for.

Still a great track though.

I'm a lover of 'Shellshock' and proud... it just has one of those choruses that appears in my head just out of nowhere and I'm all like "yup, I must listen to that immediately". The only criticism I can level at 'Shellshock' is that perhaps its production treatment hasn't aged as well as a lot of other '80s New Order tracks.

I probably rated this higher than it deserves because this was the first song (on Substance) by NO that really clicked with me. Agreed about the production -- tho I have a soft spot for John Robie. Chorus is all-time, however.

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22. Confusion
From: Confusion
Released: August 1983
603 Points, 28 Votes

YES!

what an amazing song.

http://open.spotify.com/track/3QDbZBqR93chaaMuNScmrc

are people familiar with the Pump Panel Reconstruction Mix used in the first club scene in "Blade"? because that owns

(also for whatever reason the "Confusion" 12 " mix on Spotify won't play for me)

The '87 version is alright, too, in its sloppy Brotherhood way.

There's only one more spot for Regret to take without breaching the top 20. Will ILM be burned to the ground or not? I guess we'll know soon.

Another instance of the alternate versions being better than the 'Substance' version. The Rough Mix is my fav but the 2002 Koma and Bones mixes were great too.

trying & failing to find the clp on Youtube where Baker is behind the mixing desk & explaining who did what on Confusion - "I brought the Funhouse handclaps" *pushes up the fader* etc

I do like the Substance version but I do prefer pretty much every other version of "Confusion" that I've heard more

ooh found it! http://youtu.be/6qARnXpMiUY?t=2m52s

It's alright, but better than 'Doubts Even Here'!? (I feel this is going to be a recurring thing throughout the remainder of this poll).

"they brought the melody and i brought the beat", should be edited to say "and I recycled a beat I used with Freez just a bit earlier in the year".

Hearing the original "Confusion" ten years (!) After the Substance one was revelatory. I prefer it to Blue Monday, in part because the "Confusion" sound ruled Miami radio for years i.e freestyle.

Outside of my top five or six, ranking was nearly impossible.

FYI I ended up sticking the 12" instrumental on the playlist because it's awesome

I also left the Pump Panel remix because it's also awesome

although I just found a cover on a Cleopatra tribute album that I'm tempted to throw on there

http://open.spotify.com/track/6lUZmqOHe9nLRg4DfPW7J8

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21. Fine Time
From: Technique
Released: 28 November 1988 (single) and 30 January 1989 (album)
648 Points, 27 Votes

TOO LOW

This song is both ridiculous and awesome.

i have something to do, will be gone for about an hour. when i come back:

Top 20

Haaated this song the first time I heard it. I remembering being incredibly put off that there was no real chorus, found the synths repetitive and annoying. Now, #13 on my ballot.

I'm about to turn into a reunion pumpkin so someone else should take over updating the Spotify playlist, which I will repost here so ppl don't have to search the thread:

http://open.spotify.com/user/djperry1973/playlist/62YSDYuNcMWbrUBYTl8kh6

Sorry y'all, but I have to set fire to ILM now. I promised.

lol @ "MDMA"

Fine Time graphic is so perfect. Looks like the pattern of a soccerball and the colors from the actual single. Nicely done.

Best song on Technique!

lyrics are a problem for All Day Long imo. My 29, but I think of them as Barney at his clumsiest, and they're both serious and front-and-centre. They get in the way for me.

Yes, exactly. Very similar problem with "1963" for me. Despite this, these were my favourite NO songs upon getting on the wagon in 1986-87. Before hearing the rest of the catalogue it even gave the band a 'guilty pleasure' status for a while, in my juvenile mind. But pleased to see "ADL" this high. Another one where I hadn't the foggiest idea if anyone else rated it.

lol @ "MDMA"

― they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Friday, May 31, 2013 8:32 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup, me too! :D

Key lyric of 'Fine Time': haahaah'h'h'h'haaah'hah'hahaaahaah'h'h'h'haaah'hahahaha *stereo pan*

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20. Leave Me Alone
From: Power Corruption & Lies
Released: 2 May 1983
656 Points, 27 Votes

trivial pursuit, new order edition!

Great idea! What would the categories be!?

Yay! My highest placed deep cut, IIRC. The guitar intro alone just about makes me weep.

A gift of fate Bernard was from Manchester and thus able to rhyme "book" and "luck"

didn't make my list but what a great closing for Power Corruption & Lies.

leave me alone is great because it's really easy to hear how it comes together in the beginning
i love their singsongy melodies -- is there a word for that?

would totally play new order trivial pursuit

oh i forgot the categories

LOVE SONGS
DANCE SONGS (haha between the two that's all of the songs)
LOL SONGS (this is for divisive songs and remixes)
BAND MEMBER TRIVIA
MINUTIAE
WILD CARD

Damn! I just realized I left Leave Me Alone off my ballot! It would have easily made my top 10.

New Order Trivial Pursuit Categories:

Chemicals
English Football
Discos
FACT #s
Dick references

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19. Round & Round
From: Technique
Released: 27 February 1989 (single) and 30 January 1989 (album)
714 Points, 29 Votes

The band recorded three versions:

The album version (4:29), which appears on Technique, emphasises drums and bass for a hard dance feel. It concludes with a cold ending in which the sequencers are run through phasers before then cutting out abruptly.

The 7" version (3:59) co-produced with Stephen Hague emphasizes the melody, synth pads, and vocals. It has a similar structure to the album track but replaces the instrumental break with a repeat of the intro, and fades out in conclusion. This is the version used in the video. Sumner remarked in a radio interview with Terry Christian on Key 103 that he was not fond of the plethora of "Round & Round" remixes and named the 'Stephen Hague Radio-Remix' as his favourite.

The 12" version (6:50) has a 2:45 intro sequence and stops cold before proceeding much as in the 7". It has a wash of synthesizers and a keyboard solo midway through the song. Also, the line "It makes me act like a child" repeats several times as the song ends. instead of fading out like the seven inch version, it ends in a manner closer to the original album version though less discordant.

when I discovered "Round and Round" in high school it was at the same moment I read Dorian Gray for the first time.

Argh, this is way too low. The ending on the album version is king!

this was also the time when friends started making fun of New Order's easy presets i.e. the ending

Dick references

― brotherlovesdub, Friday, May 31, 2013 9:40 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, yes! Totally!

This barely missed my top 20. Agreed that the album version is best.

A lot of TOO LOW in the last few entries. Confusion and Fine Time both in my top four.

so happy to see run place so high - though i would have been more than happy for run & run 2 to have their votes combined (run 2 was my #2, i absolutely adore it)

round & round has aged poorly for me, though it still made my top 30

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18. All The Way
From: Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
739 Points, 31 Votes

Surprised this ended up higher than Round & Round. Is everything from Technique going to place?

Again, too low. Like 'The Village', this is another one that makes me feel all loved up to the point where I want to eat my upper lip. Maybe not lyrically, but there's something about that melody, and the way the chorus just comes over me like a massive rush... the jangly guitars, the keyboard stabs... it's perfect! (and less of the 'Just Like Heaven' comparisons, because they both stand up as great songs in their own right).

Mr. Disco should have placed much higher!

love the lyrics to All the Way

Technique is basically unstoppable.

Just realised the thing I like most about "All the Way" is... the strumming patterns in the verses.

Fingers crossed everything from Technique does place!

"All the Way" was the moment I realized Technique was going to be awesome. The juxtaposition right after Ibiza Time with all those strummed acoustics and urgent drums and the melancholy organ interlude was and remains one of my all-time New Order moments.

All the Way lyrics so poignant!! Love.

We're only missing Vanishing Point and Dream Attack, and I know how ppl go nuts over those.

Agreed on All The Way being way too low. My favorite song on Technique. I thought it was cheeky of Hook to steal the bassline from Just Like Heaven. It's like they were getting back at the Cure for ripping them off on In Between Days.

Just noticed that the title track of Waiting for the Sirens' Call sounds like a great Fountains of Wayne song.

"Leave Me Alone" is mysterious, I think it's about the last living person but it's probably about drugs

in my top 10

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17. Dreams Never End (Peter Hook lead vocals)
From: Movement
Released: 13 November 1981
772 Points, 32 Votes

woo hoo, the only song on Movement I really like

I guess it's my turn to say "TOO LOW"!

heresy i know but DNE was the only track from movement in my ballot. i never connected with it that strongly, not sure why, considering i adore the singles from the NO/Hannett period.

also does anyone else prefer the peel versions of some of those movement tracks?

Nag! Nag! Nag! OTM .I thought "Dreams Never End" and "Leave Me Alone" would have been in the top 5.

consider what they're up against

"All the Way" was the moment I realized Technique was going to be awesome

yes yes yes. That bass is so damn tight -- one of the few times Hook played a "traditional" bass line (i.e. holding the rhythm, period)?

also:

LITERACITES

Definitely too low. I like the Peel versions of the 'Movement' stuff about as much as their album counterparts. They're a bit more restrained. 5-8-6, OTOH, towers over the PC&L version.

I always love hearing older bootlegs with DNE for Hooky's unhinged vocals... "SOOOOOOOOUUUUULLLLLL!"

Everything is going to be too low at this point

^^
looking at what's likely left and it's 100% heavy hitters

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16. Thieves Like Us
From: Thieves Like Us
Released: April 1984
775 Points, 28 Votes

Love for Movement perplexes me, and probably the band too. Joy Division methadone at best.

― Deafening silence (DL)

Yeah I have to say I agree with this, easily the weakest of their 80's albums for me. I only voted for Dreams Never End from that album but I did vote for Ceremony and Procession.

I was hoping Thieves Like Us would be top ten, It's was my number two. So much to love about that song, the way it builds is stunning. One of the great Barney vocals too.

my #4

simply one of the best songs of all-time.

I voted for 'Dreams Never End', but in no way is it any better than 'Doubts Even... *abandons reply*

"Thieves Like Us" received just 3 points ahead of "Dreams Never End." DNE had more voters with 32 votes to TLU 28 votes.

There's only one more spot for Regret to take without breaching the top 20. Will ILM be burned to the ground or not? I guess we'll know soon.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever)

This is just crazy talk by the way.

Love love
Lovelovelove

Dreams Never End was my highest-ranked song off of Movement. It went from being probably my favorite NO track to somewhere around 4th or 5th. I think it was described in the Trouser Press Record Guide as akin to not scratching an itch and I think that is an apt description.

I voted for regular and instrumental Thieves btw.

Also dreams never end is hypnotic best early NO sound. All gold!! This poll is pure gold.

"Thieves Like Us", more than any other track, has seriously gone up in my estimation other the years. Seemed a tad thin and half-baked when I first heard it a couple years after release. Now it's quite clearly the godhead. Sort of. The long intro now sounds lovely, ridiculously affecting. Maybe I've also grown to see the profound truth in the statement "love is the air that supports the eagle", etc. :)

For years I thought he was singing "love is the air that supports the ego"

eagle

i always thought it was 'ego' but i suppose it is barney we're talking about

haha xpost

Eagle? I thought it was ego. Seriously.

Haha!! Oops

Eagle is a much lovelier image.

"Thieves Like Us" is so close to being perfect, but Bernard's vocals can never be perfect, which normally I just accept as part of New Order's charm, but in this case I generally just opt for the instrumental.

Glad it wasn't just me. I'm not actually sure which I prefer, I think it could work both ways.

I wonder if they've played Thieves live that much. I can imagine it would be a great set opener.

Wow lots to catch up on but I'm still in the aggrieved camp re DEH:

I voted for 'Dreams Never End', but in no way is it any better than 'Doubts Even... *abandons reply*

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 31 May 2013 23:53 (Yesterday)

The Village is lush. One of one only three not singles I voted in my ten.

Are we finishing tonight Bee OK?

NO

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15. Love Vigilantes
From: Low-Life
Released: 13 May 1985
776 Points, 34 Votes, 1 Number One

Age makes "Thieves Like Us" more compelling.

"Love Vigilantes" received just one more point than "Thieves Like Us" with one number one that pushed it over the top.

I made my mom listen to Love Vigilantes when I got the Low Life tape from the library and she liked it.

Another perfect song that didn't even make my top ten. Love the lyrics so much. I saw them at Glastonbury 2005 and they played this, I was chuffed.

Ah yes, 'Love Vigilantes'... great track... a song that I have a lot of time for, a recording that most certainly could have been a lot better (although I guess I could say the same for a lot of New Order's stuff). If only Melodyne had existed in 1985...

There are days when this is my favourite song, ever.

agreed, this list is sick.

I'm refreshing this page every few seconds now. I'm fairly sure I voted for everything that is yet to place so no complaints really, I just hope Regret made the top ten.

Never "got" this one. I've always thought "Love Vigilantes" was just added at the last minute filler because there wasn't enough songs for Lowlife. My #40.

But it's so much more "written" than 2/3 of NO songs -- it has a story, ffs. Can't be tossed off IMO.

slightly suspect lyrics on LV, or genius? It's always difficult to tell with Barney. Great song though.

Oh there goes my number1..

has a theory ever been forwarded that 'low-life' is a concept album told from the perspective of the spectral 'love vigilantes' narrator? because I am totally doing it now.

one of the most memorable non-dub melodica licks of all time

Love Vigilantes is fhe first track I heard after Electronic that astonished me. The guitar-melodica-bass combo seduced me.

IMO you can't get past "I want see, my family.." lovely stuff

So, was he mistakenly reported dead? Or is he actually gone and its his ghost that goes home to his wife?

Who can say...

melodica is v underrated as a non-dub non-twee pop instrument

I like the idea that he doesn't know he's dead. impossible to tell, really.

should have been a single. they only released two from Low-Life so this would have made for a great third single.

I remember buying Low Life, and wondering how it would be after the generally open-ended songs that was Power, Corruption and Lies..

And there was the most direct song they'd done so far. Ended up playing it three times in a row, most of the rest of the album is a blur, really.

Always a well known album track; my college station played it like crazy

I'm guessing 'Sooner Than You Think' and 'This Time of Night' won't place now - I had both in my top 20.

Speaking of which, did anything in particular prompt a change to their (implicit) "singles and albums shan't have overlapping tracks" stance at Lowlife?

xp Surprised & a little heartbroken at their exclusion so far.

I'm guessing there are 9 incredible, godforesake me, world beating singles left - a couple of Technique tunes that will place here - and...

i really liked this picture. have never seen Pumped Full of Drugs.

i'm certain of what's left, but couldn't begin to guess at the order

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14. 1963
From: Substance and True Faith (B-Side)
Released: 20 July 1987 (single) and 17 August 1987 (Substance)
780 Points, 30 Votes

"1963" received just 4 more points than "Love Vigilantes." LV had 34 votes compared to 1963's 30 votes.

I'm guessing there are 9 incredible, godforesake me, world beating singles left - a couple of Technique tunes that will place here - and...

― kraudive

Another B-side and an awesome Bobby Gillespie collaboration would be my guesses.

One of the greatest B-sides of all time.

I'm kind of surprised this is so low, but it's about right. Wonderful song - one of the first of theirs I fell for.

xp - this is the b-side? I counted it as a single - it was later, right? At least in UK.

Almost had this as my #1 but changed my mind at the last minute.

Yeah the '94 remix was released as a single to promote the Best of (xp).

It was released with the Arthur Baker remix as a single, yes. There are a few different versions, complicating things as usual.

'Your Silent Face' to come, I reckon.

Oh yeah I somehow forgot it was a single. One of the best songs that was a B-side and then later made a single then. Pet Shop's Paninaro is the only example I can think of that happening.

'Your Silent Face' to come, I reckon.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican),

Age of Consent too.

and "Dream Attack"

this made my Top 10 but they made the right choice by picking "True Faith" as the single.

folks talking about the Love Vigilante lyrics should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Occurrence_at_Owl_Creek_Bridge

that is awesome!

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13 Everything's Gone Green
From: Procession (B-side) also Everything's Gone Green (stand alone single)
Released: September 1981 (Procession B-side) and December 1981 (single)
787 Points, 31 Votes

"Love Vigilantes" just came on the sound system at the coffee shop I'm at! LOL

This is too low. I couldn't really say which was my number 1 or number 2 - this I placed at 2. Damn.

C'mon ILX, this is Everything's Gone Green. Uh. I love it so much.

Great pic though.

blows my mind that this was a b-side, though they corrected that a few months later.

Number 2 for me as well! There are some great live versions of this.

EGG is completely brilliant, probably my favourite sounding song of theirs, it's just so impressive in so many ways

of course this had to come next:

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12. Procession
From: Procession
Released: September 1981
790 Points, 28 Votes, 3 Number Ones

speaking of too low

my #1. best synth intro in history

"Procession" beat its B-side by 3 points, the 3 number ones gave it three extra points pushing it past "Everything's Gone Green."

My prediction for Top 5: 'Regret', 'Bizarre Love Triangle', 'The Perfect Kiss (long version)', 'Blue Monday' and 'True Faith'... in any order.

Thought this would place in the top 5.

Yeah. But Temptation? Ceremony?

I guess we all know the songs that are to place now. But.

no way is regret and perfect kiss beating temptation.

My #1 too. Electricsound OTM. A little bit disappointed in y'all tbh.

no way is regret and perfect kiss beating temptation.

― crabby pate (electricsound), Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:41 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It did on my ballot.

Perfect Kiss for number one!

There's a Technique track left folks.

I don't really know much New Order beyond the music TV megahits but this thread has spurred me into exploration. Had never heard 'The Perfect Kiss' before and wow, the whole thing, but especially 1:05 in the long video with the bassline coming up over the widdly synth line, I could listen to that bit forever.

Ceremony should be 1. Expect Dream Attack soon.

Vanishing Point will probably place - behind Dream Attack.

i doubt we're going to see both

The Perfect Kiss should be number one.

They're the best two songs on Technique.

just basing that assessment on what's left. if they both make it, then one of the big ones didn't make the top 40, which is exceptionally unlikely

Ceremony, Temptation, TPK, BLT, Blue Monday - that's the top 5. Order is anybody's guess.

'The Perfect Kiss' is one of those tracks where it's either the long version or it's no version. The edit on Low Life absolutely sucks, in my opinion... a harsh butchering of a track which is entirely justified in being 9-10 minutes long. If the album version is the only version you've heard, then I guess the long version would come as a revelation... but don't expect to hear the album version the same way afterwards.

Okay I have to say I've never got the love for Everything's Gone Green, I like it but it's probably my least favourite song on the first disc of Substance. I'm glad Procession is higher.

I'm fairly sure Temptation will be number one, hoping it will be Regret though. I'm interested to see where Blue Monday will place, hope it will be soon.

Ceremony, Temptation, TPK, BLT, Blue Monday - that's the top 5. Order is anybody's guess.

― brotherlovesdub, Saturday, June 1, 2013 12:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Judging by where 'Doubts Even Here' placed, it really could be anyone's guess. Then again, based on that little nugget, I fear the entire POLL needs a NEW ORDER... hohohohohohooahahahah! *lolz self to death*

I still don't accept the "gay" angle in 1963.

xp What is this HATE on Blue Monday? You are outrageous.

Ceremony, Temptation, TPK, BLT, Blue Monday - that's the top 5. Order is anybody's guess.

True Faith?

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11. Vanishing Point
From: Technique
Released: 30 January 1989
804 Points, 33 Votes, 2 Number Ones