Come anticipate or vaguely boggle at the VINYL rock and roll HBO series from Martin Scorsese, Mick Jagger & Terence Winter!

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The untitled Rock ‘n’ Roll Project follows the exploits of Richie (Cannavale), a cocaine-fueled record executive in New York City circa 1977, when punk, disco and a new form of music called hip-hop collided. Richie is a talented A&R guy who is elevated to run a big record label, even though he thinks he’s better suited to focusing on day to day music matters.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:42 (eleven years ago) link

That new form of music, I've heard of it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

What happened to that sitcom about a bunch of doofuses trying to rob Mick Jagger?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/26/arts/television/26jagg.html

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Knights_of_Prosperity

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

i guess bobby c is now well thought of as an actor but i cant take the guy seriously for some reason

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't think all of these kinds of music collided until superheavy

daft on the causes of punk (schlump), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

it can't possibly be worse than the rock and roll movie that terence winter's "sopranos" boss david chase made last year.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link

I was gonna say

Number None, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 09:17 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

no newer thread for this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2irZnQMovI

piscesx, Friday, 7 August 2015 09:54 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPQ0v86BUA

Number None, Monday, 5 October 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

I feel like calling this an "original series" is kind of a stretch.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 5 October 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

jeez this looks terrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=1iphllcTYOs

piscesx, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

hmmmmmm

“The pilot for the musical drama Vinyl is one of Martin Scorsese’s best films, an explosion of amplifier feedback, nose candy, wide-lapeled shirts, and borderline chaos; the next four episodes are almost as good, and on the basis of the first half-season, it already feels like the first new must-see series of 2016.”

http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/tv-review-martin-scorseses-vinyl.html

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 05:28 (eight years ago) link

most of the other reviews are nowhere near as glowing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 05:55 (eight years ago) link

I'm not feeling it but I'll watch anyways.

There's more interesting stories they could tell, I feel like we've seen this one before. Also I might be alone on this one but Scorsese always leaves me unsatisfied. Even his most classic movies I always ask "is that all there is?" when they're over. Not that they're bad at all, they just reach very awkward or anticlimatic conclusions.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 06:05 (eight years ago) link

He also films the most unlikable characters. In movies it might work but I don't know if I can stand a full series of people with no redeeming qualities.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 06:10 (eight years ago) link

well it is the music industry

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 February 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 12 February 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link

The thump-thump-ing bass line that Richie hears as he passes a Bronx housing project where Lester now resides (sounds later revealed to be the work of pioneering hip-hop DJ Kool Herc)

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 February 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link

If Boardwalk Empire provides any kind of precedent this will be middling at best (ie, worse than Boardwalk Empire just based on the setting)

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 February 2016 21:52 (eight years ago) link

NYT's Mike Hale was mezzo mezzo on this but said better than BE (which i never watched)

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 February 2016 21:58 (eight years ago) link

As a series there was some really good stuff in it, but it didn't add up to a whole lot. Scorsese similarly directed the pilot, and I don't remember there being anything particularly remarkable about it.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 February 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link

'boardwalk empire' was a fairly boilerplate premium cable series but it was definitely saved by its setting and quite often by its acting particularly some of the supporting characters. it was definitely no 'sopranos' but certainly miles above something like 'sons of anarchy'.

nomar, Friday, 12 February 2016 23:49 (eight years ago) link

agree w all that, especially the supporting cast - Stuhlbarg, MacDonald, Shannon, Williams, Whigham, Huston, Mol were all really good. But this VINYL premise is so stupid (I cringed reading about that Carpenters' bit at the end of the article) I don't see even a great cast saving it.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 February 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link

This is gonna be terrible
I cannot wait

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 13 February 2016 02:21 (eight years ago) link

15 minutes in an realized it's a two-hour Scorcese-directed pilot.

... (Eazy), Monday, 15 February 2016 13:10 (eight years ago) link

the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow)

waiting for confirmation here cuz that's sure what I thought

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link

what's the name of this show again?

calstars, Monday, 15 February 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

VINYL

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link

Cocaine is not like getting a cattle prod up your butt. Everybody knows that. Cocaine is sweet. A warm smile would suffice.

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link

I stopped halfway through the long-ass pilot and probably won't finish tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link

Hell's review and general assessment of recent Scorsese is bang-on imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

agreed

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

disappointed that this isn't called HOT STAMPERS

Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link

Nussbaum's writeup in the New Yorker predictably but correctly connects it to Sanneh on rockism.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:48 (eight years ago) link

/the trailers for this make it look like woeful, misguided, self-aggrandizing baby-boomer bollocks of the highest order.

― Cornelius Pardew (jim in glasgow)/

waiting for confirmation here cuz that's sure what I thought


I got this feeling just from the poster. Haven't watched to confirm though.

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 15 February 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link

I haven't seen this show yet, though I plan to. And I have no interest in the predictable claims of rockism.

But it seems the moment for a TV show about the New York music scene in the late 70s passed about ten years ago. I can't see many people caring. I barely care, and I'm pretty much the target audience for this show.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 15 February 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link

By the way, if you want a GREAT retro show, I suggest The People vs. OJ Simpson.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 15 February 2016 23:16 (eight years ago) link

yeah, the oj show rules

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 15 February 2016 23:20 (eight years ago) link

You people are crazy, that OJ show is complete garbage.

Vinyl's subject matter could be about the right wing WMC skiffle scene in 70's Dewsbury for all the difference it makes, when it is done this badly it's setting is completely irrelevant.

calzino, Monday, 15 February 2016 23:25 (eight years ago) link

Only halfway through it but this is ... not bad? Still has the potential to be really bad tho. Scorcese quoting himself a lot but also keeping things interesting. Lot of italians playing jews. Ray romano is great.

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 February 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link

this was p bad

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 00:39 (eight years ago) link

maybe will stick w it a few more, i do like that adam rapp has some writing credits on upcoming eps

i also like juno temple, shes incred consistent @ playing slight variations of the same character in everything she does

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link

I nearly ruptured my cringe pipes at "Robert Plant"

Black Arkestra, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:12 (eight years ago) link

This could've been made by anyone. A lot of it is just embarassing (Zeppelin?! Really?). And Jagger's kid is awful.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:28 (eight years ago) link

However...a friend plays Bo Diddley in this so I'll give it that ;)

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:36 (eight years ago) link

Does he flirt with a Sylvia Morales character?

Have I The Right Profile? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 02:43 (eight years ago) link

"robert plant" is hysterically bad. "peter grant" is about 1% as ferocious as he was in real life. the scene where bobby cannavale almost discovers the birth of hip hop is excruciating. so much to dislike in this yet i know i'm going to keep watching.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 03:50 (eight years ago) link

oh, and the line about suicide being a "niche act"......

stirmonster, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link

Haha otm. Also, did people say a band "killed it" in 1973?
A lot of this reminded me of the wonderful CBGB feature from a couple years back.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 04:10 (eight years ago) link

Peter Grant also 1% as fat!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 04:12 (eight years ago) link

the guy at my local deli, who is a die-hard punk /early hip hop scenester said that "everybody on the internet is beggin' for double penetration from that fuckin' HBO show about the music industry but i thought it was horseshit"
he is making me watch the first half hour so that we can complain about it together

ulysses, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 04:16 (eight years ago) link

The first 30 minutes are the worst. Then it becomes an entertaining clusterfuck.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 04:17 (eight years ago) link

Distractingly soundstage-y and kind of cheap.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:06 (eight years ago) link

Most cringeworthy moment for me is near the beginning, Bobby C in the middle of the dance floor, having an awkward moment of satori.

calstars, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:48 (eight years ago) link

Bonzo Halloween costume pretty good

calstars, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 12:49 (eight years ago) link

Peter Grant also 1% as fat!

lol this was my reaction too

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link

The actual conversation with the Plant guy was p bad, but I sorta felt it was compensated for when he got onstage and did Plant's foppish floppy-palms dance

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link

When Plant guy does his little signature wrist twist at the end of the conversation - as if to say "Over, bitch!" - I realized we were in for some silly shit.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link

I take that back. Kids running over the car and girls "wooo-hooo"'ing towards the Mercer Arts Center, like some godforsaken version of "Fame", was when I gave up hope.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:25 (eight years ago) link

I thought that was more Velvet Goldmine but yeah it was p ridic

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:36 (eight years ago) link

A lot of this reminded me of the wonderful CBGB feature from a couple years back.

― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, February 15, 2016 10:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

CBGB was total fun Showgirls trash though! this sucks because it's not really trash but it's not good either

can't wait to see scorcese tackle the saga of some aggro east coast guys who build an empire throughout the 60s and 70s just to have it undone by hubris and drug use at the turn of the 80s!!!

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:39 (eight years ago) link

Makes me pine for "Hugo"...

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 22:48 (eight years ago) link

I caught some of this last night- seems as if Scorsese's finally made his Boogie Nights.

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

uh, he did, it was called Raging Bull

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link

the scene @ dices place def did recall the alf Molina firecracker scene yeah xp

johnny crunch, Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:19 (eight years ago) link

yes exactly

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link

right down to the boxers & silk robe

Taking dumps on a person's car is something children do (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 18 February 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link

Season 2 is a go!!

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 18 February 2016 22:12 (eight years ago) link

the alf Molina firecracker scene yeah

there was something else i saw recently that stole from that scene even more blatantly (random firecrackers used to increase tension) but now i cant remember what it was.

ryan, Friday, 19 February 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link

I recall that too, but cant place it either

johnny crunch, Friday, 19 February 2016 14:09 (eight years ago) link

mightev been quinquin that im thinking of

johnny crunch, Friday, 19 February 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link

i agree with this thread

goole, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:01 (eight years ago) link

so much excruciation, the "robert plant" scene, the "deejay" scene. i cdn't believe it was really scorsese; it seemed like it was in martin parody mode.

i'm only an hour in but let me give you my harsh take: i think mad men is casting too long a shadow over it. sure, we want to have a hero in the period piece who has such a sure eye, or ear, for the future, but come onnn

i loved the "hit men" book so my fave bits are with the dutch/german conglomerate guys. that evolution in capital is interesting!

i'll probably stick with it; i do with a lot of dumb hbo stuff

goole, Friday, 19 February 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link

the only correct thing bob lefsetz has ever written is that "empire" is better than this.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 19 February 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link

(and still i find it reasonably entertaining. but i find a lot of crap reasonably entertaining.)

fact checking cuz, Friday, 19 February 2016 19:27 (eight years ago) link

Wow this just got hilariously worse as it went on. So lazy and ridiculous. I cant commit to this.

Οὖτις, Sunday, 21 February 2016 00:25 (eight years ago) link

HBO's drama track record is really sad post-Sopranos

Οὖτις, Sunday, 21 February 2016 03:36 (eight years ago) link

well they did do game of thrones which obv i dont give af abt but is wildly successful by any measure

johnny crunch, Sunday, 21 February 2016 03:44 (eight years ago) link

Its a hit but its not good

Οὖτις, Sunday, 21 February 2016 03:48 (eight years ago) link

Deadwood, Rome, The Wire are all post-Sopranos

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 21 February 2016 04:09 (eight years ago) link

They weren't post-Chris Albrecht, who developed them. The shows of that period all were very loyal to their sense of place -- the stories could only take place in the city where they were located. Vinyl feels awfully fake in comparison, corroborated by the 70s-music folks chiming in negatively about it.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 21 February 2016 04:22 (eight years ago) link

Watched the first half hour, it is garbage

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 February 2016 04:29 (eight years ago) link

Season 2 is a go!!

HBO gives virtually everything it produces a second season.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 February 2016 04:34 (eight years ago) link

Couldn't get through more than 30 minutes of this.

"robert plant" is hysterically bad. "peter grant" is about 1% as ferocious as he was in real life.

This is otm, and everything about that scene is so overwhelmingly lazy. "Plant" sounds/acts nothing like Plant, and I swear I heard the actor slip into a Liverpool accent at one point.

Normally with shows like this, I'll get preoccupied by details they got wrong -- Thunders didn't play Orange amps at the Mercer, Jerry Nolan wasn't right-handed, nobody said "killed it" -- but the performances and dialogue were so ludicrously clunky that it managed to distract me from the show's other problems, so...kudos to them for that, I guess.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 21 February 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link

Wait, so I haven't seen this show, but does it seriously start off at that same New York Dolls gig that kicks off the Will Hermes book? Seems like kind of a ripoff, since I haven't seen him credited in any way (though, from what y'all have been saying, I guess he might not want credit).

dc, Monday, 22 February 2016 02:55 (eight years ago) link

this is embarrassing

rmde bob (will), Monday, 22 February 2016 03:42 (eight years ago) link

hbo has sort of gone to shit. silly stuff like Veep & Silicon Valley pretty much the only reason i turn it on anymore

rmde bob (will), Monday, 22 February 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link

Yup

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 03:47 (eight years ago) link

the last season of the leftovers is probably one of the best seasons of a tv drama ive seen. but of course no one watched it.

ryan, Monday, 22 February 2016 04:11 (eight years ago) link

Wait, so I haven't seen this show, but does it seriously start off at that same New York Dolls gig that kicks off the Will Hermes book? Seems like kind of a ripoff, since I haven't seen him credited in any way (though, from what y'all have been saying, I guess he might not want credit).

Wondering the same thing

Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 22 February 2016 12:41 (eight years ago) link

man the fuckin bo diddley scene

a (waterface), Monday, 22 February 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link

First 10 mins of episode 2 so much better than the entirety of 1. Maybe it was Marty?

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 February 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link

Ok. Wait. Now the VU and Nico have made an appearance. Wow.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 February 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link

Lol wut this was straight garbage. I'm done.

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link

Yeah this is terrible. Hahaha

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 February 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link

pros: looks great, cast of sidekicks is entertaining, cons: everything else is fucking nauseatingly bad

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link

Wish the music sounded like live music. It does a bit with the New York Dolls song, but VU didn't sound or feel live and took me out of the thing. Hope this gets Ray Romano some quality roles in the future, at least.

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 February 2016 17:17 (eight years ago) link

the needle-drops every 30 seconds are so oppressive. The Velvets! The Carpenters! CCR! Stevie Wonder! all within the space of five minutes, just so lazy and stupid.

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:20 (eight years ago) link

scorsese has lost his mind. uh not that i've seen this. but i think he has. i couldn't bring myself to watch wolf on wall street. just the trailer alone gave me a headache. he should direct some quiet one-act plays in his golden years.

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link

WOWS is great. this is not. and he didn't direct the 2nd episode.

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:24 (eight years ago) link

have we talked about how terrible all the pointless faked musical interludes are - here's Jerry Lee Lewis, playing a song that has no piano on it! Here's a woman dancing around with a tambourine! just gtfo

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link

Woman with tambourine was Ruth Brown singing her hit song, but yeah, not clear why these interludes are there(Ruth was on Atlantic I guess)

In the HBO filler bit regarding the pilot episode they of course admit that the NY Dolls were not onstage at the Mercer Arts Center when the building collapsed, but it works better that way in the story.

I don't think the brutal murder/self-defense bit in the 1st episode worked.

curmudgeon, Monday, 22 February 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link

the needle-drops every 30 seconds are so oppressive. The Velvets! The Carpenters! CCR! Stevie Wonder! all within the space of five minutes, just so lazy and stupid.

― Οὖτις, Monday, February 22, 2016 12:20 PM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

scorsese has lost his mind. uh not that i've seen this. but i think he has. i couldn't bring myself to watch wolf on wall street. just the trailer alone gave me a headache. he should direct some quiet one-act plays in his golden years.

― scott seward, Monday, February 22, 2016 12:22 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WOWS is great. this is not. and he didn't direct the 2nd episode.

― Οὖτις, Monday, February 22, 2016 12:24 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree that WOWS is great, and the way it incorporates music sits in stark contrast to the fumblings in Vinyl. Robbie Robertson was Scorsese's music consultant on Goodfellas, Casino, and WOWS, and the music cues on all of them are brilliant. Apparently, Robertson had nothing to do with Vinyl.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 February 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link

the needle-drops every 30 seconds are so oppressive. The Velvets! The Carpenters! CCR! Stevie Wonder! all within the space of five minutes, just so lazy and stupid.

this shit drove me bananas

a (waterface), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link

it's like the showrunners are afraid you're going to get that this show is about the music maaaaaaann

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link

to FORGET

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:28 (eight years ago) link

is it true that scorsese had never heard of ray romano before he cast him in the part? read that today.

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link

this show should have just been about ray romano as a mild-mannered accountant for roulette records-style mob front in the 60's who gets in over his head with some risky business and all that. would totally watch that in a second.

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:31 (eight years ago) link

(but then who ends up a big record mogul in hollywood in the 70's obviously.)

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link

haha yeah that does sound better!

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link

Romano - who I never cared for in the past - is the best thing in this. Would watch a show centered on his character.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link

Scott! We almost wrote the same post. Crazy.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:33 (eight years ago) link

Everybody Loves Rayola.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:34 (eight years ago) link

Wouldn't doubt that Romano elevates the scenes he's in. He did the same when he joined (the sometimes weepy) Parenthood in its later seasons.

dc, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link

ray stretched a bit on those seasons of Parenthood that he was on. he brought some weird reality to that white people fever dream world.

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link

parenthood x-post

scott seward, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:37 (eight years ago) link

He has a naturalistic style on Vinyl too that makes everyone around him less credible.

... (Eazy), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link

the second episode makes the first episode look like a masterpiece

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link

this show should have just been about ray romano as a mild-mannered accountant for roulette records-style mob front in the 60's who gets in over his head with some risky business and all that. would totally watch that in a second.

― scott seward, Monday, February 22, 2016 1:31 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm, didn't realize how much i liked ray ramano lol

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:39 (eight years ago) link

um… feel like it's somewhat gross to post shit I wrote…but enough of you guys have identified the same issues that I guess its okay…this has a few ILM dogwhistles as well…

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/overwrought-nostalgia-gets-in-the-way-of-martin-scorseses-episode-1-of-vinyl-20160215

veronica moser, Monday, 22 February 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link

You guys never saw that show Men of a Certain Age with Romano and Andre Braugher, did you? It was surprisingly good. Scott Bakula was in it, too, and even he was tolerable.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 22 February 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link

this show feels like it exists in marc maron's brain

Toof Seteltha (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 22 February 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I think I'm gunna drop this. Pure cheese. Ray Romano was good, but please don't overlook Bobby Cannavale, who is doing great stuff with the material he is given. Also Juno Temple I have a creepy obsession with (to the extent of writing comic books about her in the past). Which one is the Jagger kid, is he the singer in that band? He is BAD, whoever he is. Warhol wrong as well.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Monday, 22 February 2016 23:53 (eight years ago) link

John Cameron Mitchell's Warhol was like some shitty David Spade impression.

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 February 2016 23:58 (eight years ago) link

Crispin Glover's Warhol wasn't bad.

Thank You For Cosmic Jive Talkin' (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:01 (eight years ago) link

Poor Robert Plant. He didnt deserve that.

i;m thinking about thos Beans (Michael B), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:03 (eight years ago) link

Crispin Glover's Warhol wasn't bad.

def one of my favorite onscreen portrayals. (I doubt it's veracity but sure is fun)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:06 (eight years ago) link

the two scripts so far have been godawful in a way that no amount of visuals and vibes could ever fix. which is ironic for a show whose central premise is that bands and singers and basically all music is meaningless if there isn't a "song" there. the entire show is basically the very thing that its own characters have spent three hours railing against so far.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

Crispin Glover > Jared Harris > David Bowie > was that John Cameron Mitchell? fuck I used to respect him

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:14 (eight years ago) link

yeah that's how I'd rank the good ones too

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 00:17 (eight years ago) link

I don't hate the show as much as anyone here, but I haven't seen the second ep yet.

I will say that the show will definitely suffer from Studio 60 syndrome, where the comedy show that everyone was raving about in the world of the show was neither good nor funny. (Forget the cast and the hype and the acclaimed creator parallels for a sec...actually nevermind, Vinyl is Studio 60). The music on Vinyl will never be nearly as good as the people on the show act like it is and considering how clunky the writing is when they describe the actually good music featured on the show, I'm sort of scared to see that.

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 February 2016 01:55 (eight years ago) link

2nd ep of this was a lot better than the 1st

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link

still not ~good~ exactly but ill @ least watch another

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 February 2016 02:56 (eight years ago) link

Just realized WKRP did this better.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 24 February 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link

Wolf of Wall Street was horrendous.

anyway HBO has ordered seaon 2 of this.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 February 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link

Tito Puente tonight, I hear.

The Kidd With The Erasable Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 February 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link

...and Neko Case covering "Danny's Song" according to her FB.

"Damn the Taquitos" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 February 2016 23:06 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I tried to watch another episode of this because hey Ken Marino but man this is such a disaster. For every bit that is interesting (the label henchmen arguing in the back of a limo) or ring halfway true it's immediately undercut by some hamfisted needledrop or super-clumsy Scorsese-homage shot

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 March 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link

Lee Ranaldo, Don Fleming, and others doing music too, has me intrigued to watch more than that lame first episode, but have yet to do so

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1021-how-vinyl-and-lee-ranaldo-turned-a-lost-70s-act-into-tvs-next-great-fictional-band/

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 March 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link

the actual music is godawful. and there are so many DO U SEE cuts dropped in - like, the cops are onto him about a murder cue: "Sinnerman"! duh

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 March 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link

hamfisted needledrop

better name for the show

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 March 2016 19:11 (eight years ago) link

im starting to kinda like this show tbh

i wonder how dice feels that it lifts like 5 things from ford fairlaine... he prob feels fine i guess

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 23:03 (eight years ago) link

well they did put him in it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 23:07 (eight years ago) link

ya prob a nice paycheck

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 15 March 2016 23:42 (eight years ago) link

i liked this new ep also, more for the wifes scenes than the coke hallucinations

johnny crunch, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link

I feel like every ep is worse than the one before but I keep watching it anyway, maybe bc I find the milieu interesting

I don't mind the recreated superstars at all actually, feel like you have to suspend disbelief no matter what and it's obviously cartoony so I can give it a pass

Less into a storyline that feels labored and cliched

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

this show is so transparently indebted to (or just copying) the Mad Men formula that it's kind of remarkable. right down to the female assistant working her way into a higher level job, the former model wife, the inscrutable genius (presumed) of the lead. but no Roger, Harry, or Pete like characters--which makes all the difference.

ryan, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 00:58 (eight years ago) link

just watched last week's episode and boom like the fourth "fight club" plot in prestige television in the past year or so, this one handled far more hamfistedly than the leftovers or mr robot. the specter of elvis in last night's ep will keep me watching but not sure if i can stomach a second season of this

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 28 March 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

SPOILERS i guess

thom yorke state of mind (voodoo chili), Monday, 28 March 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

♪♪ Hey Girl I Want You ♪♪

mizzell, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link

I think like scene to scene the writing/dialogue on this is p strong idk canavale has grown on me also

mini spoiler but no one cares & its not important -- didn't get how the vegas casino would've known the $ canavale lost would've been tied to romanos hotel rm

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link

literally only just realized this guy is vinny delpino omg

http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/vinyl/character/julius-silver-1024.jpg

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:21 (eight years ago) link

its a casino's business to know who drops $90K in a night and figure out ways to get them back in. it would be someone's responsibility to recognize Richie and know what room he was staying in.

mizzell, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

this is one of those shows where I watch assuming it's going to be 100% garbage and am pleasantly surprised when it's not

it's still definitely Mad Men + every "hindsight is 20/20" 70s music cliche

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:51 (eight years ago) link

trying to walk that tightrope between actually being sexist and portraying women of the era as they would have lived

devon living at the chelsea and the ny scene stuff is halfway between mad men and forrest gump in terms of cheese

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link

yeah i'm the same, Lester's EAB scene the only memorable one so far, i think. i like cannavale, romano, and parisse well enough. curious what they are working towards with clark and jorge with the DJ but expecting it to be stupid. also weird that kool herc appeared and was dropped (?) already.

mizzell, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link

I think having the actors portray actual historical figures with speaking parts is going to be kept very minimal, which I think is wise. Having John Lennon or Andy Warhol popping up every other episode to interact with the main characters would be horrible. They already pushed it with Warhol.

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link

i kinda enjoyed the elvis scene.

mizzell, Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:32 (eight years ago) link

heartbreaking

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link

I've seen him in a few roles since then, but every once in a while I can only see Bobby Cannavale as "that creepy fucker from Boardwalk Empire"

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 13 April 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link

God just got as far as episode 2 and thinking that watching any more might just be too much of a chore.
Nice to see teh Velvets but then again I guess they are just part of the furniture if you're thinking about rock from that time now aren't they?
& seeing somebody like the Grateful Dead might not make good tv or something.
Do wonder who else they could have used though. Hendrix doing stage showmanship? Townshend breaking a guitar?

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link

people are still watching this?!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link

Has Butch Firbanks showed up yet?

Freakshow At The Barn Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link

some choice tidbits about the guy who plays Joe Corso
In 1998 Dietl's autobiography One Tough Cop: The Bo Dietl Story was made into the film One Tough Cop starring Stephen Baldwin
The plot in Abel Ferrara's crime drama Bad Lieutenant is mainly inspired by Dietl's 1981 investigation of the rape of a young nun
Dietl appears in commercials for Arby’s fast-food restaurants
Dietl plans to run for Mayor of New York City in 2017

mizzell, Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link

Dietl is in Bad Lieutenant.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 14 April 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Lawsuit!

http://pitchfork.com/news/65307-dj-kool-herc-sues-hbos-vinyl/

Austin, Friday, 6 May 2016 22:39 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

so unbelievably terrible

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link

makes sense now that they have another probably terrible prestige rock and roll series to replace it with

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 17:59 (eight years ago) link

i had always planned on watching it bc i really like bobby cannavale but oh well.

just want HBO to get going on that deadwood movie now tbh.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link

bobby cannavale is better in every other thing he's ever done

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link

feel bad for ray romano though

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link

another probably terrible prestige rock and roll series

what is this I missed it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link

it felt like salvaging it would be really difficult but possible, so I'm a little surprised, especially since they gave a third season to the leftovers (which is obviously in another league artistically but I doubt its ratings were even as good as vinyl's).

ryan, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link

what is this I missed it

cameron crowe's "roadies." debuts this sunday.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:21 (eight years ago) link

has such a high-profile series had a renewal taken back like that? kinda wow

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link

that shit is on showtime xp

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link

oh! i wasn't paying attention, apparently. but how is that NOT on hbo?

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

hbo is prob smart to pull the plug on this, similar to axing luck when it did

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

i think subject matter wise it wasn't going to appeal to many people and artistically it sounds like it was a dead end for whatever reason. though i guess Arli$$ stayed on the air for like twenty years or something.

nomar, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link

hbo is prob smart to pull the plug on this, similar to axing luck when it did

difference is luck actually killed horses, vinyl restricted itself to simply flogging dead ones

an alternate version of his real world dog (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

the kernel of a good idea in the premise was itself a blatant rip off of mad men but they couldn't match the writing of that show even a little, and seemed more content to be a boring jukebox instead.

ryan, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link

haha it's so funny after falling asleep during the 1st episode twice and not finishing, i tried just skipping ahead to episode 2 last night and god what an unrelenting piece of shit

mook dickhead coked up macho record company hustlers are about the least appealing protagonists in the world, such terrible dialogue and zero real understanding of the era musically

barf

Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

Vintage seventies (or sixties and eighties) magazine ads for albums

tylerw, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link

has such a high-profile series had a renewal taken back like that? kinda wow

Not this high-profile maybe, but HBO has been known to roll back renewals, most recently with the apparently horrible Tim Robbins/Jack Black war "satire" The Brink.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

and yeah, Mann/Milch's quite good Luck, though those were...extraordinary circumstances

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link

Oh man, that is nuts. The show was clearly a mess, but I liked it anyway. And I loved the Elvis episode.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:46 (eight years ago) link

rip coke-fueled rockist fantasy

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:47 (eight years ago) link

I'll admit to having watched the whole thing. It had a half-dozen moments with good character performances or set pieces, but the underlying plot progression was based on characters having these epiphanies about punk and disco being viable directions, despite the old guard's complete lack of understanding, and a dismal subplot about organized criminals. Who'd have seen that coming, organized crime backing the business in a Scorcese production?

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link

philips/polydor buying casablanca records right at the peak of the disco boom and then having to deal with the decline would make a great office politics/drug/music story. fuckin boomers. scorsese was his own worst enemy here.

but then there's this strange detail i just found:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Bogart

In 2013, Justin Timberlake signed to star in the feature film Spinning Gold, a biopic of Bogart written by his son, Tim Bogart.[4]

goole, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link

eight years pass...

TIL: Charli XCX covered "No Fun" with Lee Ranaldo, Steve Shelley, James McNew, and Alan Licht for one of the soundtrack albums. The show is trash, but this cover is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OjHnpMgYGs

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 1 September 2024 23:08 (four months ago) link

The line-up per the credits is Lee, Sim Cain (from the Rollins Band!), Sal Maida (from Roxy Music!) and Matt "Rick Beato Who's Done Angel Dust" Sweeney

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 17:20 (four months ago) link

TS: Charli XCX "No Fun" vs. Rosalia "I See A Darkness"

bratwurst autumn (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 17:35 (four months ago) link

Listening to this for the first time, and it's good. Everything sounds very live and analog.

Alex Newell , Jess Glynne, DJ Cassidy, Nile Rodgers– Kill The Lights

Charlie Wilson– Alright Lady (Let's Make A Baby)

Elvis Costello– Back Stabbers

Trey Songz– Life On Mars?

Iggy Pop– I Dig Your Mind

Charli XCX – No Fun

John Doe – Strychnine

Royal Blood – Where Are You Now?

The Arcs– Watch Your Step

Chris Cornell– Stay With Me Baby

Ty Taylor– I've Been Wrong So Long

Nasty Bits– Woman Like You

Sturgill Simpson– Sugar Daddy (Theme From Vinyl)

Julian Casablancas– Venus In Furs

Charlie Wilson– Love, I Want You Back

Humble Pie– Black Coffee

D17 Nate Ruess– I Wanna Be With You

bratwurst autumn (Eazy), Tuesday, 3 September 2024 19:21 (four months ago) link

The line-up per the credits is Lee, Sim Cain (from the Rollins Band!), Sal Maida (from Roxy Music!) and Matt "Rick Beato Who's Done Angel Dust" Sweeney

Thanks for finding the credits. I found only this article on Lee's involvement and it didn't mention all the players.
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1021-how-vinyl-and-lee-ranaldo-turned-a-lost-70s-act-into-tvs-next-great-fictional-band/

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 20:31 (four months ago) link

They are not easily available for the whole record, those I posted are from the song's youtube page and even then I had dig a little, the Julian Casablancas vers of "Run, Run, Run" (which pains me to admit is fucking awesome, literally sounds like Richard Hell fronting 1967 Velvets) the credits aren't available on the song's Youtube page and I could only find the deets on Alan Licht's site, cuz plays the INCREDIBLE guitar solo on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-MliXZrlU

JC, Lee, Don Flemming, Alan Licht, Sim Cain, Tony Shanahan & Karen Waltuch

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 3 September 2024 21:15 (four months ago) link


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