FACE OFF: Oasis Vs Guns n Roses

if both of them die in the ensuing fracas, the world

lol

Oasis one of the worst bands to ever gain widespread popularity. GnR are fine.

GnR from about 1987-1991, sure. in its current incarnation....feck em.

Oasis's best release is "Wibbling Rivalry"

when a great band gets worse, or changes its lineup entirely, it's not fair to hold it against them.as guns n roses themselves remind us, nothing lasts forever and we both know hearts can change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbUC-UaAxE

or changes its lineup entirely, it's not fair to hold it against them.

when the lineup change is due to "egomaniac frontman makes it impossible to be in the same room with him without contemplating homicide", sure it is!

nothing lasts forever and we both know hearts can change.

lol

i think you might just need some time on your own.

are there people who don't like classic era guns n roses? serious question.

Izzy > Bonehead

They probably have about an album and a half's worth of great material each.

GNR the better rock band, the aforementioned Izzy and a much better rhythm section

Allowing that both have huge quantities of awful flab and ego dragging them down, GnR have less. Comparing the highs - "Wonderwall" crushes most of GnR's ballads, and I'd narrowly take "Champagne Supernova" over "November Rain," but right this second "Welcome to the Jungle" is sounding more awesome in my head than "Supersonic." GnR.

even though nothing lasts forever, even cold november rain, i'm pretty sure the campy magnificence of the final part of "november rain" -- starting at 6:47 -- with the ott soaring guitar solo, will be putting a grin on peoples' faces for centuries, millenia, to come.

Oasis comparisons make GnR seem more interesting than they really,are

Agreed, and I still basically like the first few years of Oasis, if one's allowed to sub in non-album stuff for the filler on "Morning Glory."

Wonder if "All Around The World" would be a better match for "November Rain"...

Like they have a song called Yesterday that has nothing ti do w the Beatles song! On the same album that they did a Live and Let Die cover! I'll bet Noel is still trying to wrap his head around that...

xp

wasn't there a "guns 'n' roses are the american smiths" thread? too lazy to look. gnr is the obvious winner in oasis-v-guns but throw smiths in and i'm just not sure.

here we go:

The American Smiths

GEE ENN AHR

is appetite for destruction better than definitely maybe?

definitely definitely

I consider Oasis's songs generally better compositionally and yet, I fuckin' hate those well-composed songs by Oasis. Hence GnR.

I wonder how Winger would do in this lineup.

The best tunes on Appetite are easily greater than anything the cock bros ever made but does One In A Million alter voting?

TS: TS vs. FACE OFF

"live forever"'s the only oasis song that hits the highs for me that g&r does and nothing they've ever done floors me like "sweet child 'o mine" (my favorite kind of riff like that since "crazy train"), "patience," or "paradise city"

FACE OFF: FACE OFF Vs TS

i don't think so bub

xxxxpost One in a Million does paint them in a much worse light for obvious reasons, yea, but Lies is definitely not part of my GNR canon.

the spaghetti incident? vs be here now

twenty20 Vs 0ne day

Lies is definitely not part of my GNR canon.

otm. it's appetite and maybe half of use your illusion. the rest is silence.

Christgau gave "The Spaghetti Incident?" a respectable A-.

their cover of the Misfits "Attitude" should have resulted in jail time IMO

ahahaha

it does basically obliterate the spirit of the original.

http://www.247-las-vegas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Frank-FerrerRichard-FortusBumblefootChris-PitmanDizzyReedDJ-AshbaT....jpg

Tommy Stinson/Buckethead > Andy Bell/guy from Heavy Stereo

you would have to be nuts to pick oasis

and yet

has this been the most boring day in ilx history?

we needed a nice cooldown day probably

no winners

you win, because "welcome to the jungle" exists

are there people who don't like classic era guns n roses? serious question.

I think they're overrated, consider "One in a Million" unforgivable, and find Axl Rose annoying, but even I have to grant that about half of Appetite is flat-out excellent.

(There are definitely people who don't like that sort of rock music at all, though.)

"Mr Brownstone" and "Rocket Queen" are pretty amazing in particular imo.

Guns n Roses is literally unlistenable and their fans should be ashamed, Oasis is ok sometimes

i think you must have g 'n r confused with some other band. for referene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbUC-UaAxE

I've never heard an entire Oasis album so I can't really answer this fairly, though. I like a handful of their songs.

"Mr Brownstone" and "Rocket Queen" are pretty amazing in particular imo.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, July 22, 2013 8:36 AM (37 minutes ago

repeat as necessary

"Estranged" is like "November Rain," but it goes to 11.

that's a good one too. but there really is no substitute for november rain imo.

That swagger of Oasis thread makes me want to vote GNR again...and again

#Swagasis

Estranged has dolphins. Does November Rain have dolphins? No. QED.

Given the precipitous dropoff in quality after their milestones, I feel like Appetite vs Morning Glory would be a better contest

It's only a matter of time before Liam joins Slash on stage for some horrendous version of Paradise City

*sighs*

I'd much rather see them do Wonder Wall.

G n R for this alone
http://youtu.be/7Ke-_nKHpDs

Oasis's live cover of "Cum On Feel the Noize" that they put on one of their VHS releases was one of the ear-rapiest pieces of shitfuckery that I ever listened to while high

GnR is literally unlistenable is OTM. Oasis had a great 18 month run, they win

axl is a fascinating trainwreck but his music is repulsive on nearly every level regardless of collaborators "gimme some reggae!" Indeed

wish Oasis had taken an 18 month vacation during that time instead

srsly u nuts. Oasis suxx. Appetite is a classic, even despite axl being a horrible human being.

Appetite is a tinny sounding abortion of cliches and ugliness masquerading as fun. All involved can go die in a fire imo

i'm like seriously having a brain overload trying to think of all the meta-threads that last post belongs in, but I know for damn sure it ain't "truth bombs"

posts very much in character

Actually, one of the things that I think distinguished GnR from other mainstream hard rock of that time and place was that they didn't seem very interested in fun. Most of the songs are about urban squalor and misery, as much as Lou Reed's are. Even the love songs seem a little desperate.

But what made the best songs good imo were the rhythms.

People blast paradise city and welcome to the jungle because they think tgey are getting some numbskull injection of "dangerous" thrills in ye olde classic rawk fashion but its just a bunch oh humorless bullshit with with half-assed hooks

Typing on phone, sorry

yes, that's why people love those songs in 2013. it's thanatos.

no contest in pulling off their hero worship either. there are legit stonesy vibes in g&r ("sweet child 'o mine") while the supposed beatlesisms of oasis never really show

mostly cuz Oasis listened to Beatles albums and their takeaway was "WOW 7TH CHORDS ARE AWESOME"

both of these bands don't matter to me much

but i'm gonna go for guns i think

I go on a gmt kick about once every six months. I have never ever ever gone on an Oasis kick, but I've definitely judged the hell out of people who have.

Gnr, not gmt ffs

It was a shitty post anyway.

favorite oasis album - don't believe the truth. sounds like they finally discovered the kinks

Yeah, that one.

that one, yes

one that, yes?

yes, that one

we better stop before Dipset uses this as a chorus on Diplomatic Immunity 3

you could be mine

Beatles thing was always overblown "omg they stole horn line from goo day sunshine! Cheeky!" and largely press-drivenm. They wanted to be as big as the beatles, but they wanted to sound like t.rex. which they were very successful at, silly lyrics and all

they were successful at appearing on the cover of magazines sulking, that's about it.

regardless of collaborators "gimme some reggae!" Indeed

^ take an endless loop of this over oasis' greatest hits

i'd take an endless loop of Joey Lawrence's "Nothing My Love Can't Fix" over Oasis's greatest hits

I like the modulation into the chorus on 'Acquiesce.' *ducks*

I think this comparison is good because both bands are weak imitations of their idols but get really popular anyway because in the absence of those idols they were the best anybody could do

Otm i think.

I really don't know how anyone could not like Estranged. Especially if you hate Appetite!

young, nasty hot g'n'r were way more idol than imitation. if this were not true, against me would have had no cause for reinvention.

(!)

but they wanted to sound like t.rex. which they were very successful at, silly lyrics and all

― the Spanish Porky's (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:03 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what?

I've only listened to Oasis' hits but apart from stealing a riff I don't hear any of T.Rex's general groove

they groove about as much as Marc Bolan did in 1981

Oasis's guitarist, Noel Gallagher, has cited T. Rex as a strong influence.[20]

lol busted

yeah well I'm sure CC Deville cites Hendrix

lol I mean Shakey was busted.

but yeah, artists' comments about who their influences are or aren't are generally not to be trusted (i.e., Kim Thayil indicating Soundgarden wasn't influenced by Sabbath).

Noel's wall o guitars is totally the sound of visconti-era bolan metal guru etc

his real gift was so perfectly rendering that sound in the absence of all things that made t.rex appealing

Lol. Champagne supernova is totally something bolan would say

although I prefer GnR, the poll clearly asks "who will win" and I believe the answer is Oasis so I am voting Oasis

Lol. Champagne supernova is totally something bolan would say

I want to defend Bolan against this but then I go read the lyrics to "The Slider"

You shine like a bear with a snare in your hair aero

"I was born in the snow, like my best friend Po"

'appetite for destruction' is a masterpiece of abjection, will be studied by theology students of the future

what the fuck are oasis records about, being british

"Dig out yr soul' has loads of theological references

opo songs is sweet child o mine easily, opo albums it's morning glory easily

'Cigarettes and Alcohol' is 'Bang a Gong' with different lyrics and poorer production

I think they're overrated, consider "One in a Million" unforgivable, and find Axl Rose annoying, but even I have to grant that about half of Appetite is flat-out excellent.

(There are definitely people who don't like that sort of rock music at all, though.)

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, July 22, 2013 11:35 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM, especially wrt "One In A Million."

Actually, one of the things that I think distinguished GnR from other mainstream hard rock of that time and place was that they didn't seem very interested in fun. Most of the songs are about urban squalor and misery, as much as Lou Reed's are. Even the love songs seem a little desperate.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, July 22, 2013 7:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But what made the best songs good imo were the rhythms.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, July 22, 2013 7:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm.

didn't even notice that the last post was otming sund4r

tbh i think i like them just about the same. the first two oasis albums are a lot of fun, moreso now that we're well away from the oasismania era and no one's comparing them to the beatles (shakey is otm that they were really going for more of a t. rex vibe, and noel gallagher was pretty good at writing ridiculous lyrics). it is kind of astonishing how casually noel gallagher plagiarized shit, almost every time i've really really loved an oasis tune it turns out he stole it from an old commercial or something. but even though i totally get why ppl hate them and they were ridiculously overrated for a while i'd never want to be without 'some might say' and 'slide away' and really almost all of those first two albums. maybe 'the masterplan' too.

the actual tune of 'one in a million,' and axl's vocal, are incredible. i'd like to think the lyrics are just axl-in-storyteller mode (a la x's 'los angeles') but tbh axl is so un-self-aware and insane that i find it hard to believe that's the case.

Slash's guitar solo in One In A Million is pretty great too, ironic considering his misgivings about the song

i'd like to think the lyrics are just axl-in-storyteller mode

See, I don't even really think it's a matter of whether the lyrics are 'in character' or not. (I think that's what you're getting at? If not, it's what some people have said about this before on the board.) Even assuming that they are, the question still remains of what the artist is then saying about that character in that song, why he chose to create and depict this character for us. Archie Bunker was a bigoted character, for example, but the narratives and dialogue in All in the Family were clearly making a statement about that bigotry. I don't see much in "One in a Million" to indicate that Axl is distancing himself from the character or providing either critique of or insight into a bigoted character.

oh I think there's a lot of insight in it, intentionally or not. It's not like a Toby Keith song about how lynching is cool.

Yeah, I guess it is actually a pretty good depiction of a frustrated and desperate character tbf. I guess I just don't see enough to suggest a distance from or commentary on the bigotry itself for me to feel comfortable with it.

Anyway, after listening to What's the Story, Morning Glory, I voted GnR without much reservation. Didn't mind the album though. I agree that T. Rex is a better comparison than the Beatles. (A Beatles comparison would be too generous imo.)

I thought Morning Glory was badly padded when I owned it. Only deep cut I could stand was Cast No Shadow

Oasis Singles

Some Might Say > Live Forever > Whatever

I want to say SMS by an absolute mile (even if I don't really believe it's that far ahead) as it seems the essence of what Oasis were trying to do, and then did it.

GnR karaoke vs. Oasis karaoke

I was going to say that "Morning Glory" was a good album track but I see that was a single in the US. Then, yeah, I agree that the singles are definitely the best songs.

Basically this comes down to Bonehead vs Buckethead right?

1. bone bucket 25 up, 2 down

1. n. a place to put your finished hot wing bones.
2. n. slang term for a gay man's asshole. the implication is that many penises (hot, meaty boners) have been (or are currently) inside of said asshole.

They'd be about equal for me--two or three songs from each I love, lots of clamor that seems very long ago.

I... don't think I needed to know that? xp

jesus christ, dr. casino!

many? are.... currently?

sorry guys - i guess i thought the fact that 25 people on urban dictionary liked something would be a suitable disclaimer that what followed would be unfunny, offensive, and awful. let me state for the record that i do not endorse this comedy definition of "bone bucket"

Oh is that what that 25 was? I thought that was the defn of "many"...

many? are.... currently?

They call that bone-bucket harmony.

side by side on ..

actually, no.

Cover versions

Marilyn Manson had planned to record a version of "One in a Million," lyrics intact,[10] but plans to do so were scrapped.[11] Ian Stuart Donaldson from the band Skrewdriver covered this song on his Patriotic Ballads album.

And Axl's own contemporary explanation of the song really doesn't support the idea that he was depicting a character to make a point:

I started writing about wanting to get out of L.A., getting away for a little while. I'd been down to the downtown-L.A. Greyhound bus station. If you haven't been there, you can't say shit to me about what goes on and about my point of view. There are a large number of black men selling stolen jewelry, crack, heroin and pot, and most of the drugs are bogus. Rip-off artists selling parking spaces to parking lots that there's no charge for. Trying to misguide every kid that gets off the bus and doesn't quite know where he's at or where to go, trying to take the person for whatever they've got. That's how I hit town. The thing with "One in a Million" is, basically, we're all one in a million, we're all here on this earth. We're one fish in a sea. Let's quit fucking with each other, fucking with me...

I used words like police and niggers because you're not allowed to use the word nigger. Why can black people go up to each other and say, "Nigger," but when a white guy does it all of a sudden it's a big putdown? I don't like boundaries of any kind. I don't like being told what I can and what I can't say. I used the word nigger because it's a word to describe somebody that is basically a pain in your life, a problem...

When I use the word immigrants, what I'm talking about is going to a 7-11 or Village Pantries – a lot of people from countries like Iran, Pakistan, China, Japan, et cetera, get jobs in these convenience stores and gas stations. Then they treat you like you don't belong here. I've been chased out of a store with Slash by a six-foot-tall Iranian with a butcher knife because he didn't like the way we were dressed. Scared me to death. All I could see in my mind was a picture of my arm on the ground, blood going everywhere. When I get scared, I get mad. I grabbed the top of one of these big orange garbage cans and went back at him with this shield, going, "Come on!" I didn't want to back down from this guy.

Anyway, that's why I wrote about immigrants. Maybe I should have been more specific and said, "Joe Schmoladoo at the 7-11 and faggots make no sense to me." That's ridiculous! I summed it up simply and said, "Immigrants."...

I've had some very bad experiences with homosexuals. When I was first coming to Los Angeles, I was about eighteen or nineteen. On my first hitchhiking ride, this guy told me I could crash at his hotel. I went to sleep and woke up while this guy was trying to rape me. I threw him on the floor. He came at me again. I went running for the door. He came at me. I pinned him between the door and the wall. I had a straight razor, and I pulled the razor and said, "Don't ever touch me! Don't ever think about touching me! Don't touch yourself and think about me! Nothing!" Then I grabbed my stuff and split with no place to go, no sleep, in the middle of nowhere outside of St. Louis. That's why I have the attitude I have...

The most I do is, like, on the way to the Troubador in "Boystown," on Santa Monica Boulevard, I'll yell out the car window, "Why don't you guys like pussy?" 'Cause I'm confused. I don't understand it. Antihomosexual? I'm not against them doing what they want to do as long as it's not hurting anybody else and they're not forcing it upon me. I don't need them in my face or, pardon the pun, up my ass about it...

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("Death of the Author" can rot btw.)

Song would have definitely been improved with the addition of joe schmoladoo

I have a lot of reservations about Oasis and I really resented them for a time in the late '90s/early '00s after they became terrible yet still seemed to be hugely popular - that said, they do have about 20 really good-to-great songs (all from '94-'95 of course).

I've always hated Gn'R, could never stand Axl's voice. I'd like 'Sweet Child o' Mine' if someone else sung on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xemNsR6TzrA

Oh is that what that 25 was? I thought that was the defn of "many"...

― Mark G, Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The more people like something on urban dictionary, the more you should worry IMO

I'll yell out the car window, "Why don't you guys like pussy?"

like, he's trying to start a dialogue

Pussies are gross duh

Trying to misguide every kid that gets off the bus and doesn't quite know where he's at or where to go

Right so basically Young Axl asked for directions to McDonald's or somewhere and got lost so we end up with 'One in a Million' because he's still bitter about it 5+ years later.

thanks for posting that, sund4r, hadn't read that before -- that's some pretty indefensible shit.

sad guy

Voted GnR

I don't like either band but am (over) familiar with both bodies of work via unwanted exposure

Personnel: both frontmen go around performing a masculine style I find totally risible - the fine details such as length of hair may differ, but ultimately it's two stupid 'attitude' guys, a recognisable pattern of egotism, whether in closed up grunting English version or outre hollering American version. So, whether or not we should be voting on personnel, they would cancel each other out for me anyway.

Playing instruments: obviously a lot of focus on technical guitar playing in GnR, and a lot of basic open chords with Oasis. But once again they share something, this time the quality of pig-ignorance, it wouldn't occur to GnR that you could do something other than show off your mad crazy guitar skills and it wouldn't occur to Oasis that you could do something other than just strum.

GnR provide the listener with a range of extreme, more or less entirely fantastical emotions, whereas Oasis provide a 'believable' gruff melancholy. It's like having to choose between a bonkers comic book about dinosaurs ridden by nazis, and a novel by Nick Hornby.

What settled it for me was the defiant, theatrical tastelessness of GnR, as opposed to the boring and tasteful 'J&MC + Mod with the edges smoothed off' you get with Oasis. Something you might be embarrassed to enjoy = better than something that can't really get you going at all.

technical guitar playing in GnR,

shit, it's not that technical!

it wouldn't occur to GnR that you could do something other than show off your mad crazy guitar skills and it wouldn't occur to Oasis that you could do something other than just strum

I don't rate Slash nearly as highly as some people do but I really don't agree that GnR's guitarists were engaging in technical display all the time. On the other hand, is there much evidence that Oasis's guitarist/s could do much more than this?

xpost!

the best guitarist in Oasis played bass

I listened to some Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers today and thought how GnR would kill to write throwaway songs that good

i listened to hanoi rocks today and thought how Vince Neil would kill to write songs as good

I don't rate Slash nearly as highly as some people do but I really don't agree that GnR's guitarists were engaging in technical display all the time. On the other hand, is there much evidence that Oasis's guitarist/s could do much more than this?

True, not all the time, but I always thought a lot of like, the big, memorable moments in GnR songs were attended by technical display - the emotional sweet-spot of the lyrics is usually in close proximity to a guitar solo?

The only Hanoi Rocks song I've ever heard was terrible! Something about a symphony on the radio?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM4BqmRA9WM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCR4MLwz9vQ

great band imo

something about them that just put them above all those bad cock rock/hair metal contemporaries.

Focusing on oasis being less technically gifted is framing the debate to ensure they lose tbh. It also ignores the widely-accepted consensus that their least gifted lineup produced by far the better output

AG you hardly refer to guigsy

One would hope that nobody thought I referred to guigsy and if they did they must be a bonehead

It also ignores the widely-accepted consensus that their least gifted lineup produced by far the better output

How very true (Unless you refer to Tracii Guns era gnr)

still not hearing it.

LA Guns vs Beady Eye anyone?

they are kinda goofy though (hanoi rocks). like the lords of the new church, a cut below the dolls, dead boys & heartbreakers but still p damn entertaining.

the thing that makes hanoi rocks annoying for me is when they were around the California NY Dolls fans were going APESHIT for them, buying all these crazy expensive imports and shit when it was like...ok...these guys are fine and all but c'mon guys

i thought slash was like a master technician, when i was 12

aero are you judging them by their fans because u were *there* man?

pretty sure you wouldn't do that in other circumstances

that is correct - my contemporaneous experience of my bros who were dolls fans was like "guys - this is second-tier shit, not the second coming"

which really is how I feel about gnr, that it's a pretty weak substitute for the source material it draws on (except when Axl used to say how much he liked Nazareth I'd think "that is about exactly how good your band is"). which is also how I feel about Oasis, which makes this thread such a winner for me

nb this was very much an in-my-social-clique thing w/Hanoi, not a critical-stance thing

which really is how I feel about gnr, that it's a pretty weak substitute for the source material it draws on (except when Axl used to say how much he liked Nazareth I'd think "that is about exactly how good your band is"). which is also how I feel about Oasis, which makes this thread such a winner for me

haha was gonna say

If we're doing NY Dolls vs GnR, there's probably something to be said about GnR dressing like women, but not as women

what about Poison then?

what is g n r's superior "source material"?xp of hair metal bands they are top shelf imp

I'm guessing Stones/Aero/Zep?

Especially old Aerosmith

treeship otm. g'n'r have been cut down a couple times in this thread as a pale shadow of some idol-ideal, but at their best (one measly fucking BRILLIANT album), they went toe to toe with whatever they took pointers from. aerosmith, stones, whoever. problem is they pissed that brilliance away before you could blink, shriveled to one infantile billionaire shithead.

hanoi rocks, most crue, that's your "weak substitute"

GNR basically went the complete other direction from the overly technical guitar playing of late 80s metal. Slash just played old 70s blues riffs but he did it with enough taste that it made for some of the all-time great guitar solos. I guess you could say that it was ostentatious guitar playing though.

And Izzy made Keith Richards look like he was in Dream Theater.

No, I personally do agree that the best GnR can be put on the same shelf as Aerosmith or whatever.

Heresy. For one thing, aerosmith had a sense of humor

Like, a bunch of their old material is pretty fun/funny

where's the laughs, axl

you saying the robot rape scene wasn't intended to be funny?

the spaghetti incident is a funny album title tbf

Gay robot rape wouldve been funnier

tbf both gnr and oasis are pretty humorless. Neither band even attempted the lighthearted wink wink nudge nudge of their respective 70s forebears

The spaghetti incident? is about as funny as a phish song

I didn't realize it was funny until I heard the story behind it. It's funny tho.

ur right tho, I've always thought one of the weaknesses of songs like Gimme Shelter or Comfortably Numb is that there's no comic relief.

Far be it from me to defend Oasis, but I would say She's Electric and Bonehead's Bank Holiday are fairly lighthearted.

You know I need a little break
To get away for a holiday
So I can see the sun
Cos in the sun they say it's fun
If you can get some
Well I could take a train or a boat or an aeroplane
Or I could steal a car
Cos in a car you can go far
Just depends on what kind of car you are

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
What kind of car you are
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

I met a funny looking girl
On a crowded beach in Spain
Her name was Avaline
She said she came to Spain to have a good time
But she was with her mum
Who had a face like a nun in pain
She said her name was Dot
She didn't half talk a lot
I couldn't tell if she was mad or not

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

Don't you know - I should have stayed in England
On my polluted beach - with all my special friends
Don't you know - I should have stayed in England
With my big house and my big car
And all my friend are there at the bar

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

You know I need a little break
To get away for a holiday
So I can see the sun
Cos in the sun they say it's fun
If you can get some
Well I could take a train or a boat or an aeroplane
Or I could steal a car
Cos in a car you can go far
It just depends on what kind of car you are

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la
What kind of car you are
La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

Matt we were talking about aerosmith and t.rex fyi

(Also every oasis and gnr song is better than comfortably numb fwiw)

GNR's humorlessness doesn't bother me too much because one of the things that makes them interesting to me, and that sets them apart from the other bands they're being compared to here, is that the emotions in their songs are so relentlessly hateful and unpleasant. they took the things other hard rock bands sang about and cast them in this sour, ugly light: 'welcome to the jungle' is about gloating over someone else's loss of innocence (or your own), 'it's so easy' makes sex with groupies sound like no fun at all, 'nighttrain' makes getting wasted sound downright terrifying. even 'sweet child o mine' is a pretty creepy song. mostly, i think this is down to axl: take him away and you've got a really solid rock album, put him in and you've got a solid band led by this not-all-there guy who's just seething with hateful thoughts and random violent impulses he only half-understands, and everyone just mistook it for plain old rockstar unpleasantness until 'one in a million.'

Agree with all that, except that I find it more off-putting than interesting. Def different from their peers in that respect tho, the self-righteous nihilism was unusual

I kinda like the idea of voting for who you think will win. It's like the ultimate in self-fulfilling prophecy.

LA Guns vs Beady Eye anyone?

Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds vs. Slash's Snakepit?

I love the part in the Patience video when all the lingerie chicks are trying to hop into Slash's bed and he's just sitting there tripping out on his snake.

I think Oasis have a sense of humour - at least in interviews. They're funny, often unintentionally, and Noel has some good zingers about other bands sometimes. "Jack White looks like Zorro on doughnuts" still cracks me up.

Yeah, I agree with J.D. - GnR may be humorless but, if you want a break from Skid Row et al it's nice to hear a band that sounds like they are from skid row. OTOH it means that the glammy aspects of hair metal which might (at one point, in the right hands, perhaps) been transgressive - the drag, the superhero silliness, have been systematically purged in favor of a hyper-masculine, cigarettes-and-sweaty-tees rockism, despite Axl's kind of ineffably elfin, fey, snake-dancing quality. A closer comparison might perhaps be Stone Temple Pilots, who balanced on this edge between a "grunge" that was more or less coded as an update of traditional masculine hard rock, and something much odder and trippier, teetering on the hippy-dippy dance moves of their eye-linered frontman.

essential reading: Did you really feel "welcomed" to the jungle by axl rose, or do you think that was sort of just insincere, halfhearted graciousness?

A long long time ago I read a pretty good essay dissecting 1980s "heavy metal" videos (not sure what qualified) in terms of strategies for dealing with femininity and females; the author I believe argued that the feminine tended to be either (a) basically purged and suppressed, (b) incorporated as parodic, non-transgressive drag, or (c) addressed as romantic object in the inevitable power ballad third single, in recognition that in fact these bands also had hordes of female fans, although even this served to address these fans only as potential love interest/groupies and not as hard-rockers in their own right. I'd like to find that again...

Was it by Robert Walser?

love in an elevator qualified for sure

Sund4r - yes!! Full cite: Walser, Robert. "Forging Masculinity: Heavy-Metal Sounds and Images of Gender" in Frith, Goodwin, & Grossberg, eds. Sound & Vision: The Music Video Reader. Routledge, 1993. I may also be crossing it up a bit with this other cite: Lewis, Lisa A. Gender Politics & MTV. Temple University Press, 1990. (Particularly, the second chapter pp 27-42, "The Making of a Preferred Address.") This is out of the footnotes of an undergrad paper I did a decade ago so it's a little hazy.

i vote gnr almost entirely on the strength of a4d (sounds so much more immediate than uyi1+2)

the walser piece: https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/91802/original/Walser%2B-%2BForging%2BMasculinity.pdf

my michelle, mr. brownstone, it's so easy specifically so good. paradise city + welcome to the jungle are weaker imho (but maybe only bc overplay has familiarized them into mundanity)

The only Appetite song that I could remotely do without is Anything Goes.

my michelle, mr. brownstone, it's so easy specifically so good. paradise city + welcome to the jungle are weaker imho

― Mordy , Friday, July 26, 2013 5:02 PM (1 hour ago)

mr. brownstone and rocket queen are my personal picks, but this just goes challoping off into the sunset

what is g n r's superior "source material"

aerosmith most of all I think, with all the wit surgically drained. like, steven tyler loses pretty much all of his wit during their revival, but in the 70s he was genuinely clever imo. aerosmith's power ballad pays off with "dream on/dream until your dreams come true." guns 'n' roses answer with "take me down to the paradise city/where the grass is green, and the girls are pretty." on his best day axl can't see steven tyler's cast-offs from his high chair, but he knows he wishes he was cool like steve. there's a fascinating dynamic in axl's failure to get what makes his idols great, but to me it's a joyless dynamic: the only pleasure the music affords is slash & a locked-in rhythm section. aerosmith have joe perry and a great rhythm section and a frontman who doesn't come off like a piece of shit. I'm as interested as the next guy by axl's (inability to suppress) (willingness to expose) his unpleasant core, but musically it's nowhere near as rewarding as steven tyler navigating the same territory more benignly.

LA Guns first album is a real dark sleaze record and rocks hard FYI since they are getting compared to beady eye itt

Finally hearing Hanoi Rocks was one of the biggest disappointments

ac/dc?

you mugs are outta yr minds gnr were about 10 x more interesting fun and stupid and swinging and trashy and great and and charismatic and important with their one good album and 3 yrs of really being a band than aerosmith were in in their interminable stones-aping career, and i fucking like aerosmith.

yeah, i love appetite, too, but that's crazy talk. go see a specialist.

re: aero's description of g'n'r's witlessness, i suppose i agree, but in the end i have to side with j.d. i don't know that the appeal of their poisonous gutter glam is a direct product of axl's hatefulness, but the two seem inseparable. their best music seethes and spits. while it never escapes its own nastiness, it puts the venom to damn good rock & roll use.

of course, it's hard to say that in retrospect, looking at just how awful a person axl proved to be. but isolated in their moment, i don't think america produced a better rock band than guns 'n' roses.

Mordy - nice find! Thanks!

am i to understand there are people not sickened by 'dream on' itt

I've never warmed up to it at all, but I'm also listening to Chinese Democracy for the first time right now and going "hey, this sounds kinda okay" so I should probably not be permitted to post to ILM.

sick with the glorious majesty of? yes, yes, to my dying breath.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/1362582359_unicorn.jpg

Aerosmith w/ G'n'R almost not a fair fight, as Aerosmith had several decades more to dookie their proverbial drawers.

s/t through Draw the Line is pretty unfuckwitable (I even like Night in the Ruts and Permanent Vacation!).

anyone here heard standing on the shoulders of giants?

Used to own it! It's got at least 4-5 good songs I'd say, counting "Let's All Make Believe," a b-side to the CD single which was included for some reason. Nothing I'd put on Definitely Maybe but a couple that beat the filler on Morning Glory, and many that could have cleared the air a bit on Be Here Now. I once made a CD that combined BHN and SOTSOG and it was decent listening though not prime Oasis.

i like early aerosmith just fine but i can't say that the lyrics to 'dream on' strike me as especially witty or interesting.

My project for the week is to revisit aerosmith. I think i've underestimated them.

Rocks will blow your mothershitting mind

rocks,toys in the attic, draw the line(them at their funkiest) are most awesome

I will even stan for Get Your Wings....and the s/t is of course great, at their blues-rockiest best.

i can't say that the lyrics to 'dream on' strike me as especially witty or interesting.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:06 PM (56 minutes ago)

no, but the best moments of the vocal performance have nothing to do with what steve's actually saying. the fragile quiver on the opening lines, the slide up from "the past is gone" to "it went by..." and the chorus gets me every time, fuckin' chills. i love it to death, helplessly, the way i love so many other unicorn gothic 70s hits: "stairway", "don't fear the reaper", "hotel california", "rhiannon", etc.

Dont fear the reaper and hotel california are more amazing than ppl realize i think

Rocks didnt do much for me, but I def think Aerosmith is a way cooler band than GnR

hotel california is vile apart from that amazing guitar solo

yeah i'm basically down with all the songs you mention (and i like 'dream on,' just wasn't sure why aero thought it was clever) except 'hotel california.'

Don't fear the reaper and hotel california are more amazing than ppl realize

lotta people do seem to realize though, that's the problem. so popular for so long that nobody needs to hear an argument in their favor. it's like saying, "god i love AIR, it tastes so fucking amazing! i love it to death, helplessly, the way i love breathing!"

yeah, dude, me too. shut up.

and i like 'dream on,' just wasn't sure why aero thought it was clever

oh, right, me neither

yeah, dude, me too. shut up.

^ this was addressed by an imaginary other to myself, not to theeship. you ain't gotta shut up for nobody.

(lol, there's a bit in taipei about exactly this)

I do think there's a really nice poetry to the phrase "dream on" (which colloquially means "keep right on dreaming: what you're dreaming of will never happen" - it's construction-site talk: "I'm gonna own this place someday!" "Dream on, buddy!") giving way to "what I mean is actually dream splendid dreams" but it's hardly tyler as his most clever, I just wanted the contrast between tyler the good lyricist and...axl, the man who dreams of a city with the awesome qualities of green grass and pretty girls and who will pay you at another time

Lol

I think there a little more depth to paradise city than that. after he was kicked out of home for having long hair and living on the streets in Indiana, he moved to California, which people warned him was not as beautiful as his homeland. This songs says this turned out to be true. I guess the gas chamber bitvrefers to the fact that he was treated like a criminal in Indiana by his family, the police and others.

i have a vague memory of recognizing the ironic double meaning of "dream on" as a teenager, and excitedly explaining it to someone who didn't believe it was "intentional", but might just be imagining that. anyway, thanks aero because i haven't really thought about that song for a while.

xp contenderizer, lol i knew you weren't telling me to shut up after saying i liked songs that you had just mentioned also liking.

xxp algerian, hotel california is not vile at all. it's a classic alice in wonderland story but about a stoned drifter and the world he wanders into is vaguely reminiscent of the types of cults and alternative communities that provoked so much anxiety among people in the 70s. as a kid it was unlike anything i'd heard and it still retains something of that mystery.

idk outdoorfish. i like the most satisfying guns n roses lyrics are the stupid, obvious ones, which seem strangely sophisticated, or "knowing", in the sense that they don't try to conceal or blunt the goofiness of glam metal conventions in any way. stuff like, "you're in the jungle baby, you're gonna DIEEEEEE" or, in the ballads, simplistic gems like "she's got eyes of the bluest sky". the best guns n roses lyrics don't try to pretend to be anything they are not.

the factory I work at nowadays has all sorts of little cute touches, like now instead of good ol' buzzers and lights to alert you when a machine's cycle is finished, instead there are little snippets of songs, such as the Mickey Mouse theme song, the Mission Impossible theme song, the Michigan fight song, "It's a Small World", the guitar riff from "Sweet Child o' Mine" and the guitar solo from "Hotel California". Also, the riff from "Low Rider", which is the only one of these that I'm not already sick to death of.

Mercifully, Tyler & co. decided not to license their music out for such insidious purposes and for that alone they win this thread in my estimation

that sounds like the basketball camp at rider university i went to in middle school that played sinatra's "summer wind" to signal every transition, from the stations, to lunch, to the end of camp. despicable.

hahaha

sophisticated I was not saying lol, just not quite as inane as it at first appears

No one itt has mentioned that Liam Gallagher's voice is the worst sound on earth

I thought the verses are about disappointment with LA, the chorus about wanting to go home to the Midwest? So if I'm right, "strapped in the chair of the city's gas chamber" would be referring to LA, maybe also pointing back to "you treat it like a capital crime" in the previous verse. That verse is not bad imo. It's not fun or funny like Tyler could be but, in a dark way, it has a similar sort of craft to it: "Strapped in the chair of the city's gas chamber/Why I'm here I can't quite remember/The Surgeon General says it's hazardous to breathe/I'd have another cigarette but I can't see/Tell me who you're going to believe". (I admit that I had to look that up to know all the words.)

xpost

yeah actually think that bit of the song is about the warnings and forebodings of california. the urchim on the streets and being treated like a criminal is about Indiana though.

btw thanks guys now I just dreamt I met axl rose.

I had a dream many years ago that GNR were performing on the VMAs back in 1987, y'know, the one where they played "Welcome to the Jungle". except they were playing naked and Axl was wagging his ass at the audience.

had to take special meds to prevent GNR from appearing in my dreams again

Also, the riff from "Low Rider", which is the only one of these that I'm not already sick to death of.

I don't know about anybody else but I have been hearing the riff from "Low Rider" since at least 1978 and I'm still not sick of it. that thing is built to last imo

otm

also "slow ride"

anything ride basically

slow ride can eat a dick

Ride the Lightning, thoooooooo...

gtfo, "slow ride" is amazing
though I admit I don't really feel like anybody involved is "tak[ing] it easy"

sigh

i suppose asking yanks to vote against anything with guns in it was a losing battle really

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

just looking at this threat you would have no idea how popular oasis once were or how highly rated some of there stuff is. maybe because it started with pro-g n r bent. however wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who stayed silent for this reason voted for oasis and they do better than expected.

Poll results rarely reflect thread discussions ime

wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who stayed silent for this reason voted for oasis and they do better than expected.

get in the ring, motherfuckers!

sigh

i suppose asking yanks to vote against anything with guns in it was a losing battle really

― clique- your heels, together (darraghmac), Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:19 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"boom"ing post

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

lol I predicted oasis would get 45! had gnr on 52 though

I could see how, with a song title like "Cigarettes & Alcohol", you might think to yourself "those are primary elements from G'n'R songs! Maybe this will be alright..."

"Cigarettes & Alcohol" is pretty awesome.

legit results, though I kind of felt bad for my GnR vote once the pile-on started and the thread reminded me of what a shithead Axl is/was. Not to say that either Liam or Noel is so much better, but still. Surprised they never coughed up their own "Get In The Ring" tbh. "Yeah, you, John Bird at The Big Issue..."

that this poll was even slightly competitive is proof that ILM is still way too british for its own good

lol otm

americans love their oasis too. bros at my college, which was in gettysburg pennsylvania, would listen to wonderwall every time they smoked weed, as a kind of ritual. they were more unguarded about their affection for one another when this song was playing as well.

my brother basically fellated Oasis growing up

aurally, that is

I remember him seeing them live and coming home bitching about how much he hated the opener, Cornershop

aurally fellated would be a much better band name than oasis

my brother basically fellated Oasis growing up

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

aurally, that is

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:40 PM Bookmark

He sucked off Oasis' ears?

yeah I really dunno what I was trying to say there. I blame the off-brand soda I just drank.

oasis are pretty cool. they suceeded in making their distorted guitars sound like horrendously toxic beer breath
Guns n roses is one f the greatest band names of all time

it was a good call when they changed it from guns n daffodils.

oasis music is soaked in weary bloated beer fatigue, combine with gorgeous stolen tunes, good stuff.

there are few bands i would be more comfortable characterizing as 'idiots who won the lottery' than Oasis

i don't think they're that bad, really.

I remember learning the solo to "Don't Look Back in Anger" and thinking I was hot shit until I realized it was a horrible solo that even a one-armed gardener could play

look back in anger > don't look back in anger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJjASV20kc

I don't generally like songs that tell me what to do.

what about this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6pJ4AEOoI

The Oasis one tells you what not to do.

Unless you mean it's the Bowie song you don't like?

it john osborne that said it

Fuck yeah treezy's bringin Lodger into the thread!

look back in anger > look back in anger > don't look back in anger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTq7EuaEsM

Great comeback line: Oasis guy (I assume Alan White) was at what I believe was the Catherine Wheel/Belly show at the Academy in NYC in '95. Lots of star-struck kids approaching him to say hi. I overhear this girl near me tell her friends that she's going to pretend not to know who he is.

She walks over and says "You're in a band? What songs do you sing?"

He says "None of them. I'm the drummer." And leaves it at that.

OOOOH BURN

i remember enjoying an Oasis profile where their 2nd drummer talked about how he went to one of their early gigs and thought their 1st drummer was so terrible that he set out to get his job, because the drumming on that first album really is the pits.

that this poll was even slightly competitive is proof that ILM is still way too british for its own good

I guess Oasis well respected reputation abroad is mainly because people are not exposed to British tabloids and are not reminded weekly that they're assholes.

any votes for oasis were prob from brits who loved the 1st album + singles/bsides+ maybe the 2nd album but yeah all the hatred came mostly from brits i think.

that this poll was even slightly competitive is proof that ILM is still way too british for its own good

― Some-D (some dude), Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol otm

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, July 30, 2013 10:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's weird to me that grown dudes still think reflexively hating on the English is totally hilarious

they just need a little time to wake up

i voted oasis.

saturday nights + red wine + pizza + my wife = some of the best evenings of my life.
she loved their mix of noise and tunes.
i loved her love of them.
they provided me with a perfect mix of noisy guitars and easy on the ear melodies.
and for that i will always give them time.

fuck the hate.

The best part of a year of constant live performances and recordings, along with a hedonistic lifestyle, were taking their toll on the band. This behaviour culminated during a gig in Los Angeles in September 1994, leading to inept performance by Liam during which he made offensive remarks about American audiences and hit Noel with a tambourine.

noel g seems like he'd more fun to hang with than any member of GNR. actually, i'd probably rather talk to liam than even be in the same room with axl.

it's weird to me that grown dudes still think reflexively hating on the English is totally hilarious

― tight in the runs (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:46 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i got nothing against the country or its music as a rule, but British rock from the 90s onwards is mostly a sad joke and these guys are the punchline

I guess Oasis well respected reputation abroad is mainly because people are not exposed to British tabloids and are not reminded weekly that they're assholes.

At least you don't have to read a tabloid to find out that they are garbage. They were just Shed 7 with tabloid ubiquity and would have faded away without it. Where are they well respected? They make me think of a Bill Hicks quote transposed "musical tree looks like a gnarled stump".

oh, and after a year of spine testing ambient house, it was fantastic to have a 'tude filled band and an excess of layered guitars kick my arse into gear.

i really needed a band to kick start my world again as i was bored bored bored and oasis made things interesting (for a while at least).

it helped massively that my wife loved'em ..

hate/scoff all you like .. but the band were a massive part of my world with my wife.

mark e otm

and mid 90s american rock was just as garbage as the uk stuff.

I just hate them with a passion Mark. All sorts of music achieves a personal meaning when you have lost an important person. I wasn't trolling and didn't mean to troll you of all people. My wife is very ill and I can understand how some music becomes weaved into important memories. There is some stuff I love that isn't good that reminds me of when she could still walk more than 10 metres without having to sit down. just ignore me, it always has negative results when you post on music threads of bands you hate.

xp

oasis owned for those first two albums. they lost me completely w/'be here now' though. 2nd drummer otm about the 1st drummer, though.

though

DSP : i never assumed you were trolling me ..
i was just stating my case.
my heart genuinely goes out to you and your wife.
memories of good times are important irrespective of the crapness of the music/band involved ....
hang on in there sir ..

hit noel with a tambourine lmfao

they just need a little time to wake up

― loosely inspired by Dr. Dre (crüt), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ahahaha

it's weird to me that grown dudes still think reflexively hating on the English is totally hilarious

― tight in the runs (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol I was about as serious as most people were in the Pippa's Arse thread.

ffs I'm a huge Radiohead fan!

the drummer thing.. i mean are drums even audible on those first two records? the guitars and vocals are so prominent in the mix, the drums sound like sidechain echoes.

"columbia" would be nothing without that big beat, though. that shit is funky.

Yeah the near-universal hatred towards Oasis is one of those unexplainable British things, without all the British votes Oasis would've won in a landslide.
I guess Oasis well respected reputation abroad is mainly because people are not exposed to British tabloids and are not reminded weekly that they're assholes.

I assume North American tabloids don't cover Oasis on a weekly basis because North Americans don't care about them that much? They don't have the second-best-selling album in the US, either. (I mean, you were probably joking but I highly doubt that Oasis would have won in a landslide without British votes.)

as an american growing up in the 90s, i got a huge "drugged out" vibe from oasis. they actually sounded high. sublime and 311 shit, well maybe they smoked weed but they still sounded like fucking jocks to me.

jocks? No.

They were arseholes (ahem xxpst) but working class as they come. They made a great noise for an album and a few singles but were nothing like as important as the UK press made them out to be.

Like GNR I guess.

i got nothing against the country or its music as a rule, but British rock from the 90s onwards is mostly a sad joke and these guys are the punchline

i can imagine from a US point of view that the latter is a sad joke because it doesn't really - ie. rock.

no i said the AMERICAN stoner bands at the time were total jocks. jocks, i really meant loud manic dudes that punch people and stuff and are decidedly unchill.

right ok. Oasis were still fucking pricks to be around though.

ha yeah, especially after hearing Def Maybe i got that these guys were drunken pricks. i'm thinking maybe the wonderwall video caused Americans to think these dudes were charasmatic beatles types.

and champagne supernovar

there was a kid in my class who used to sing Oasis songs to himself, but the dude had somehow combined "Champagne Supernova" and "Wonderwall" into one song and he would sing "I saw you walking down the hall/faster than a cannonball/you're my wonderwall".

I think he either died or got a job at Radio Shack. can't remember which.

The best part of a year of constant live performances and recordings, along with a hedonistic lifestyle, were taking their toll on the band. This behaviour culminated during a gig in Los Angeles in September 1994, leading to inept performance by Liam during which he made offensive remarks about American audiences and hit Noel with a tambourine.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:52 PM (3 hours ago)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OcrHR0CJ7io/UfnBhCNZE8I/AAAAAAAAAjw/JV_v4K9tdOM/w426-h320/oasis.jpg

as you can see i was at this show, it was an impossible ticket, they did four dates, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York and not sure of the other place before they came back for a proper tour.

Liam did talk a bit but no one understood a word he was saying when he was not singing. i do remember him throwing things but it was not as bad as it was made out to be. they were just learning, very raw and didn't know what to do on stage.

No aerosmith or #beautiful votes wtf

and mid 90s american rock was just as garbage as the uk stuff.

― ( (brimstead), Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:18 PM (Yesterday)

bosh. listen more.

Or, do something less boring.

does soundgarden, stone temple pilots and matchbox 20 count?

Surely that's a reference to the post-grunge crowd

'underground' wise there's obviously no comparison

Weird it just now occurred to me that there's really not an ongoing underground rock culture in the UK in the same way there is in the US.... it's like when you think 90s music board dorks from UK think of Blur & Oasis and we think about like Unwound or Jesus Lizard

I think it's because a lot of the underground-styled/sounding bands in the UK take all their cues from their US counterparts.....but if you already have the latter, what use is the former, watered down?

oh gosh i meant MTV rock, sorry i left out all the indie rock bands.

the fact you are aware of underground us music and not underground uk music is clear. after all if uk underground music were being marketed in america it wouldn't be very underground, would it?

Giddy Motors are uk I think they were great

I'm just saying there was no comparable scene in the uk to us circuit

Oh gosh brimstead Jesus lizard isn't indie u herb

Future of the Left/McLusky rule

there should be a separate thread for this

Post 1990 British Indie Rock/Rock/Metal

some really great stuff in the early nineties. aside from mbv, there was lush, pale saints, curve, stereolab, some brilliant cocteau twins and morrissey, and not as good but entertaining the stone roses and happy mondays.

ah and how could I forget slowdive?

Sun Dial was good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjs1n4pyn50

wish I could hear more of the conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrmv8huVUw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3beTzMtsiJs

americans love their oasis too. bros at my college, which was in gettysburg pennsylvania, would listen to wonderwall every time they smoked weed, as a kind of ritual. they were more unguarded about their affection for one another when this song was playing as well.
― Treeship, Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:39 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is actually a really sweet post, esp the last line

Axl's thousand yard stare & esp the eyeroll around the 3 minute mark (and again near 5) of the first video...just magnificent

that axl court stuff is awesome

yeah it really is

Surprised by how deep his voice is.

yeah, i was amazed how normal it was. when compared to his singing voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1ZRBPA8SK0

God I hate the way Axl sings that one

for some reason I was listening to the last Oasis album for the first time a couple days ago (I blame spotify and boredom).
It was bad, as expected.
but it actually reminded me a little of GnR's "Chinese Democracy".
Obviously, I don't know these albums enough to elaborate but there's something in the production/sound on some parts (I may not go as far as comparing the songwriting since I'm not sure there are actual songs !).

As for this thread in general, I haven't read it all but there's clearly an interesting parallel between these two bands. except oasis produced more albums. and therefore more crap !