A thread for the worst ballads/power ballads by rawk bands

mainly hair metal I guess but feel free to mention any song you feel that fits from any era.

Mr. Big - To Be With You
http://youtu.be/5QD5n98R_nk

Extreme - More Than Words
http://youtu.be/UrIiLvg58SY

Obviously Hair Metal was a particular low point in music but the power ballad really took it even lower.

I just died in your arms tonight?

you ever heard of Kuschelrock?

no

"Silent Lucidity," Queensryche
"Every Rose Has Its Thorn" Poison

useful reference material and quibbling over definitions here: "Sweet Child 'O Mine" is not a power ballad!

ohgod i really hate silent lucidity (and Queensryche) with a passion.

Cinderella - Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone)
http://youtu.be/i28UEoLXVFQ

Firehouse, "Love of a Lifetime"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ETENrv8cnU

Tesla - Love Song
http://youtu.be/l2q_-xN2N54

Def Leppard - Love Bites
http://youtu.be/0T1IVyXBGjM

Always skipped this on Hysteria

http://www.kuschelrock.de

what is that?

How do we separate the early 90s power ballads above (Mr Big etc) from their late 80s equivalents? Just more acoustic guitars?

I wasn't aware there was any differences

Kuschelrock means cuddle rock in German. It's a series of compilations that has now reached No. 26.

That song by Cheap Trick (so bad i forgot the name) should be included

KUSCHELROCK 26 - Tracklisting

CD 1

1. Coldplay - Paradise
2. Bruno Mars - Just The Way You Are
3. Israel Kamkawiwo'ole - Over the Rainbow
4. Roman Lob - Standing Still
5. OneRepublic - Secrets
6. Milow - You Don't Know
7. Ed Sheeran - The A Team
8. Christina Perri - Jar Of Hearts
9. Silbermond - Himmel auf
10. Max Herre & Philipp Poisel - Wolke 7
11. James Blunt - Goodbye My Lover
12. Rob Thomas - Little Wonders
13. Stanfour - In Your Arms
14. Walk off the Earth - Somebody that I used to know
15. Rebecca Ferguson - Nothing Is Real But Love
16. Beyoncé - Broken-Hearted Girl
17. Michael Bublé - Lost
18. Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love
19. Alanis Morissette - Guardian


CD 2

1. Lenny Kravitz - I'll Be Waiting
2. Sting - Fragile
3. Reamonn - Tonight
4. Nickelback - Lullaby
5. Sunrise Avenue - Hollywood Hills (Special version)
6. Colbie Caillat - Bubbly
7. Norah Jones - Come Away With Me
8. Take That - Babe
9. Melanie C - Northern Star
10. Glen Hansard & Marketa Irglova - Falling Slowly (aus «Once»)
11. Chris de Burgh - A Spaceman Came Travelling (new Version)
12. Livingston - Broken (aus « Zweiohrküken »)
13. Jonas Myrin - Craze (acoustik version
14. Lene Marlin - Sittin Down Here
15. Gipsy Kings - Tu Quieres Volver
16. Simply Red - Holding Back The Years
17. Lou Reed - Walk On The Wild Side
18. Sade - Your Love Is King
19. Madonna - Live To tell

CD 3

1. Robbie Williams & Nicole Kidman - Something Stupid
2. Mariah Carey & Westlife - Against All Odds
3. Joe Cocker - Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me
4. Seal - Love Don't Live Here Anymore
5. George Michael - Roxanne
6. Katie Melua & Eva Cassidy - What A Wonderful World
7. Celine Dion - Dance With My Father
8. Michael Jackson - Smile
9. Joana Zimmer - Everything I Do…
10. Jennifer Rush - Nights In White Satin
11. Pamela Falcon & Percival - Purple Rain
12. Selig - Knockin' On Heaven's Door
13. Xavier Naidoo - Don't Give Up
14. Laith Al-Deen - I'm On Fire
15. Anni B Sweet - Take On Me
16. Greg Laswell - Girls Just Wanna Have Fun
17. K.D. Lang - Halleluja
18. Chris de Burgh - In The Ghetto
19. Whitney Houston - Greatest Love Of All

none (or almost none) of those are power ballads. they're just schmaltzy pop songs.

yeah i don't see where there get the 'rock' from

Not enough swaggering thundercocks like Whitesnake on that CD

Well this 3CD collection is called TRUE POWER BALLADS - so don't blame lol

1. Addicted to Love Robert Palmer
2. Breakfast At Tiffany's (Album Version) Deep Blue Something
3. I Was Made For Lovin' You (Album Version) Kiss
4. Hole Hearted (Album Version) Extreme
5. Babe Styx
6. Cats In The Cradle Ugly Kid Joe
7. Baby I Don't Care Transvision Vamp
8. Chance (Single / Extended Version) Big Country
9. Since You Been Gone (Album Version) Rainbow
10. Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone) (Album Version) Cinderella
11. What's Up? (Edit) 4 Non Blondes
12. Womankind Little Angels
13. Show Me The Way (Album Edit) Peter Frampton
14. Black Hole Sun (Edit) Soundgarden
15. Let's Make A Night To Remember (Single Version) Bryan Adams
16. Wind Of Change (Album Version) Scorpions
17. If I Could Turn Back Time (Album Version) Cher

1. Easy (Album Version) Commodores
2. Leaving Me Now (Remix) Level 42
3. Stop (Edit) Sam Brown
4. Wouldn't It Be Good (Album Version) Nik Kershaw
5. Kiss The Rain (Radio Edit) Billie Myers
6. Head Over Heels Tears For Fears
7. Nights In White Satin Elkie Brooks
8. Love Hurts Jim Capaldi
9. Cry Godley & Creme
10. Sarah (Version 3) Thin Lizzy
11. Tempted Squeeze
12. We're All Alone Rita Coolidge
13. High On Emotion Chris De Burgh
14. Senza Una Donna (English Version) [feat. Paul Young] Zucchero
15. Music (US Single Version) John Miles
16. A Thousand Miles (Album Version) Vanessa Carlton
17. Cherish (Single Version) Kool & The Gang
18. Show Me Heaven Maria McKee

1. Baby Can I Hold You (7" Edit) Boyzone
2. Higher Love (Single Version) Steve Winwood
3. Woman In Chains [feat. Oleta Adams] Tears For Fears
4. On The Wings Of Love (Album Version) Jeffrey Osborne
5. Baby, I Love Your Way Peter Frampton
6. Up Where We Belong (An Officer And A Gentleman/Soundtrack Version) Joe Cocker
7. What Kind Of Fool All About Eve
8. Will You? Hazel O'Connor
9. Something About You (Single Version) Level 42
10. All The Way From America Joan Armatrading
11. Hello (Album Version) Lionel Richie
12. Come Sail Away (Single Version) Styx
13. Kissing Gate Sam Brown
14. Could've Been (Album Version) Tiffany
15. Don't Cry Out Loud Elkie Brooks
16. More Than Words Extreme
17. I'm Not In Love 10cc

Kuschelrock means cuddle rock in German. It's a series of compilations that has now reached No. 26.

I had no idea there were that many remixes of "Winds of Change."

When people think of power ballads im sure they think of this rather than boyzone or james blunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WAZ60xA9wo

that video was uploaded by wimpyliberalbuster32 so is he a wimpy guy who hates liberals but likes hair metal ballads? or does he think liberals are wimpy because they dont listen to real men music like hair metal?

i'm having nightmares about listening to those albums back to back though

18. Chris de Burgh - In The Ghetto

oh god

Germans sure do love the Burghmeister

How do we separate the early 90s power ballads above (Mr Big etc) from their late 80s equivalents? Just more acoustic guitars?

― Master of Treacle, Monday, 5 August 2013 16:52 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wasn't aware there was any differences

Even the early 90s songs are not in the same style. Compared to Firehouse, Extreme and Queensryche were like art-rock bands who did concept albums. It's not 100% obvious from those two songs in isolation, maybe, but neither is a typical power ballad by any stretch, although they're both slow songs by hard rock bands. "More than Words" is a decent Everly Bros pastiche. "Silent Lucidity" is a decent Pink Floyd pastiche that's not even about a romantic/sexual relationship in any obvious sense. It's no more of a power ballad than "Comfortably Numb" is. If they came out in the past decade, they'd both probably be considered 'indie' (Plain White T's vs Muse?).

I don't really have the energy to listen to a tonne of songs by Firehouse, Warrant, Creed, etc to pick out the actual worst, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z92bmlcmyq0

You've heard Mr Big and Firehouse and you pick "Sister Christian" as an all-time worst rock ballad?

Sister Christian is retroactively redeemed by that scene in Boogie Nights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDL7WAJF3yA

sorry, those songs are just interminably dull rather than cosmically bad

That Tigertailz thing might be a real contender in that it doesn't even sound as competent as Firehouse.

which does make it less nauseating to listen to tbf

kuschelrock is making my head hurt

i also can't believe there is a human alive with a still-beating heart who doesn't like "the flame" but whatever.

xxxxxpost: I once came across a compilation called The Best of Soft Metal which included, uh, "True" by Spandau Ballet among its tracks.

Bryan Adams, "Heaven," mostly for the ur-marshmellow snare sound.

<3 "The Flame"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6qNNtVNeYs

I also love "Heaven" -- I belted it out in the car just yesterday, in fact! On my way to Target to get shelves for the closet. I mean, that's what these songs are good for.

"Every Rose Has Its Thorn" by Poison is awful.

I once came across a compilation called The Best of Soft Metal which included, uh, "True" by Spandau Ballet among its tracks.

― arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica

hahahaha

What I'm saying is that there is no worst. They are all fun. Home Sweet Home, I Wanna Know What Love Is, bring it on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJz3ozRA0Q

La Lechera: what about Tigertailz and Firehouse?

Like, I like Cheap Trick and Foreigner too.

Dunno Tigertailz, Firehouse sang Love of a Lifetime? If so, no -- that song is awful.

Yep.

I think Bon Jovi - Always might win this thread. Or one of Aerosmiths lame 90s ballads

http://www.allmusic.com/album/vh1-the-big-80s-power-ballads-mw0000669707

there's a world in which this hit the top five:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuJqJ7j7HVY

one of LL's fave songs ever is on that
xp

this stuff was really mega popular in the usa, right?

Journey to blame?

weird how so many faceless rock bands had the standard #1 power ballad hit and Journey didn't.

well, members of Journey were in, as Robert Christgau said, the aptly named Bad English.

Did I not read somewhere that Journey was the biggest selling rock band of the 80s in the USA?

The one time I saw Cheap Trick they introduced "The Flame" by saying how much they hated it, and that they were essentially forced to record it. It's unclear what or whom exactly was forcing them to play the song at that show.

And anyway, "Mandocello" is vastly superior, the exception to the rule of power ballad crapulence.

Doesn't seem to be the case if this is to be believed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists_in_the_United_States

xpost to AG

I think I actually like "The Price of Love" (which I haven't heard before iirc!) more than "When I See You Smile", which I hated.

no question it's better, in the same way a C+ >>> F-

But yeah, these things were mega-popular. I was going to make a comparison with stuff that was mega-popular in the UK but I just looked at a list of #1 songs in the UK in the mid- to late-80s and holy fuck, are those charts schizoid!

just listened to that cheap trick song and fuck me its bad

but it's got mandocello!

Steve "Silk" Hurley "Jack Your Body"[nb 3] 24 January 1987 2
Aretha Franklin and George Michael "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)" 7 February 1987 2
Ben E. King "Stand by Me" 21 February 1987 3
Boy George "Everything I Own" 14 March 1987 2
Mel and Kim "Respectable" 28 March 1987 1
Ferry Aid "Let It Be" 4 April 1987 3
Madonna "La Isla Bonita" 25 April 1987 2
Starship "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" 9 May 1987 4
Whitney Houston "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)" 6 June 1987 2
The Firm "Star Trekkin'" 20 June 1987 2
Pet Shop Boys "It's a Sin" 4 July 1987 3
Madonna "Who's That Girl" 25 July 1987 1
Los Lobos "La Bamba" 1 August 1987 2
Michael Jackson and Siedah Garrett "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" 15 August 1987 2
Rick Astley "Never Gonna Give You Up"† 29 August 1987 5
M|A|R|R|S "Pump Up the Volume" / "Anitina (The First Time I See She Dance)" 3 October 1987 2
Bee Gees "You Win Again" 17 October 1987 4
T'Pau "China in Your Hand" 14 November 1987 5
Pet Shop Boys "Always on My Mind" 19 December 1987 4

sund4r a lot of ballads by rawk bands were their biggest hits/only songs to get radio play but a shitload more didnt.

Wait, is it "Mandocello" or "The Flame" that you hate, AG?

i loved that steve silk hurley song at the time.

oh tpau is a good one for this thread. they were bad.

"the flame"

"Jack Your Body" was still pretty subcultural in North America then iirc.

OK, I get that UK radio is very different but still: wow @ you never having heard "The Flame" before.

this album was fucking massive btw

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Hot-City-Nights/release/2736814

we're a very compact country compared to the sprawling US...dunno if that would make any difference to our crazy charts, but maybe a reason.

xpost

My mate bought it and I swear he made about 100 copies of it for people at school.

"The Flame" rips off the opening riff from Spirit's "Nature's Way": http://youtu.be/YsTK2LHZKPQ

Cheap Trick, Zeppelin...poor Spirit guys couldn't catch a break.

That's just, like, a chord.

"It's a Sin" is a power ballad?

Magnum were very popular in the late 80s for a few years. They used to play the SECC so despite not exactly having huge radio smashes there was a market for it. I guess AOR had its following. Raw/Kerrang certainly covered it. Noodle Vague or Pashmina could confirm this.
I suspect if the UK had a rock station A)it woulda been very popular and B) more of these bands woulda had hits.

Like, maybe if that hook that shows up around 5s in was in the Spirit, I could see it being a ripoff.

2xpost

Journey to blame?

"Oh Sherry"

"It's a Sin" is a power ballad?

No, I was just listing the UK #1s for 1987 because I thought it was a crazy mix of things.

Starship "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now" 9 May 1987 4

this was bad but I got a horrid feeling the even worse piece of shit we built this city was #1

Cher had a big hit with a certain rock song too in the 80s.

Ha, I really like "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now". I'm not sure I dislike the Airplane/Starship in any period!

Commercial radio had its own singles chart and i think the Chart Show on ITV used it so a lot of the time songs i thought were #1 werent an official #1. (ie the one bbc use)

Spirit have another connection to power ballads - Mark Andes was a member of Heart right through their 80s period.

That's just, like, a chord.

Same notes played in the same succession, at the same tempo, and in the same key on what sounds like the same instrument.

I'd be surprised if it was a wacky coincidence.

Whitesnake - Is It Love? was definitely a hit. I guess UK's hair metal bands did well here but maybe not as well as in north america.

I can't believe anyone would hate "The Flame". It's such a good song! I realized that at least one of the reasons I like Big Star's "For You" is because it has the same "yoooooooou" as "The Flame" (which I heard first when I was in middle school and not-dancing at the teen dance club).

I mean the flame analogy is corny, but parts of the song redeem the ott corny parts. At least I think so.

"The Flame" is better than the competition def.

Considered as the band's comeback album following the commercial failure of the 1986 album The Doctor, Lap of Luxury spawned three top 40 hit singles and one minor hit single. After "The Flame" topped the American Billboard Hot 100, a cover of Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" peaked at #4. The third single "Ghost Town" continued the commercial success, peaking at #33 whilst the fourth single "Never Had a Lot to Lose" peaked at #75. The album opener "Let Go" also peaked at #32 on the American Billboard Mainstream Rock chart. The success of "The Flame" brought the group out of a years-long commercial slump and back into music industry prominence. It was the band's only number one single in America.[4] It also became the band's first hit on the Billboard Adult Contemporary chart, reaching #29 there; "Don't Be Cruel" then hit #32 on the AC chart.

Reportedly, although the band disliked the song at first,[5] Rick Nielsen disliked the song so much on first hearing that he yanked it from the tape player and ground the cassette beneath his boot heel.

In an interview with Gerry Galipault, Cheap Trick drummer Bun E. Carlos stated: "Tom Petersson rejoined in 1988, and then the vice president at Epic Records told us he had these two songs and they're both gonna be #1. He goes, 'We got one for you and one for the group Chicago, but you can have first choice.' He said, 'I think the one 'The Flame' would be good for you guys.' The other one was 'Look Away,' and it sounded like some girl singing on the demo. We really didn't like that song anyway, so 'Sure, we'll do 'The Flame.' We're game.'"[6]

According to lead vocalist Robin Zander, "The band was very skeptical about performing this song live, because we only liked to perform songs written by us. However, a young man from, oh, I don't know, somewhere, confirmed to us after a show in Florida about a week after the song was released that the song was great and, get this, would be a #1 single. As we joked about the guy's prediction, we later realized whoa! This guy was right. I thank him for that."

I'm fond of "Ghost Town."

Oh, I loved "Ghost Town" when I was 10. Should listen again.

If you want a summit of the power ballad masters, listen to this top ten from early '89:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUwF-8R7ckY

anyway my vote for shittiest power ballad goes to corny crap like "when i see you smile" and "love of a lifetime" -- those songs sucked then and now.

generally most power ballads are pretty good!

cowritten by Richard Marx!

TS: "Surrender To Me" vs. "Almost Paradise"

YES

almost paradise

cowritten by Eric Carmen!

oh god richard marx was really big for a while
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_E2EHVxNAE
big hit here

Same notes played in the same succession, at the same tempo, and in the same key on what sounds like the same instrument.

Isn't the instrument a guitar? There isn't really a succession of notes here: they're strumming an Asus2 chord in a similar (but not particularly unusual) rhythm. The similarity doesn't extend very much beyond that first chord. It's totally possible that Cheap Trick or the songwriters heard the Spirit song and were inspired by it. I'm just saying that this is far from any grounds to claim plagiarism (assuming that's what you meant by "rips off").

("Right Here Waiting" was huge in most countries with a lot of white people in them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Here_Waiting#Charts_and_sales)

how many of these songs were penned by Diane Warren? so many.

In an era of power ballads, "Right Here Waiting" distinguished itself by its understatement;[according to whom?] the track was arranged by Marx with Jeffery (C.J.) Vanston to feature none of the heavy drums and synth popular at the time, with Marx's vocal accompanied only by classical guitar (by Bruce Gaitsch) and keyboards (by Vanston). It is one of Marx's most frequently covered compositions.

love the first bracketed statement

I'm 80% sure it's a mandocello rather than a guitar -- Nielsen's dad owned a music store which had a number of odd stringed instruments, and he also played a mandocello on, oddly enough, "Mandocello."

I agree that the similarity doesn't extend beyond the intro, but it's like the Elastica/Wire skirmish: it's only a few seconds, but it's the exact same thing (or, alternately, it's the exactly same thing, but it's only a few seconds).

xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-nyeiKk35M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL9y9CcnEJQ

this shit never did anything here thankfully
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMKPQKU61QI

^^^that styx remix is VILE

a fair handful of these are pretty good imo - "Love Song," "Silent Lucidity," "More Than Words," "To Be With You" - schmaltzy, ok, but still decent tunes

I also rep for that Winger tune, fuck the haters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZ79InLGRY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAX20LoVgxE

PfunkGW 2 months ago

Remember when their were white people on mtv?

lolol NOT ME

(ie im not pfunkgw obviously)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmWE9UBFwtY

At least with Elastica/Wire, there's an actual similar melodic gesture. The Spirit/Cheap Trick thing really is a fairly common strumming pattern on one chord.

being someone else from the uk, my only knowledge of cheap trick is knowing big black covered one of their songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukmobha2krY

If they were both using mandocellos, that would probably point more strongly to a connection/influence but not to plagiarism.

xpost to self

that richard marx song

Three music videos were filmed for the song, although two were deemed "too sexual" in nature, and were shunned and banned by lobbyist before the release ever hit the public's screens.[citation needed] Included in the first banned video was 42 second "softcore" sex scene, involving Marx and the love interest this song refers to.

The second video, was picked at with a fine-toothed comb. Complaints were made about every minor detail, including Marx briefly holding hands with a man, and the backup dancers clothing being "too tight".[citation needed]

After the criticism, Marx's producers denied any creative control to Marx, and ordered that he film a three minute sequence of him playing the piano, and became the music video for "Right Here Waiting".[citation needed]

fuckin' A, White Lion's "When the Children Cry," that right there is the unquestioned heavyweight champ of this shit. So vile. I can get down with "Wait" or "Little Fighter" if I have to but come the fuck on, White Lion

it's also so boring, as soon as i heard it i knew it was going to be huge

never heard it

I've noticed that every video in this thread has this kind of youtube comment

franklin armstrong 4 days ago

I GREW UP IN THE 80S AS A TEENAGER AND ALL THIS KIND OF MUSIC IS NOT HEARD OF TODAY. WHY IS THE QUESTION. I FEEL LOST IN TODAYS WORLD. I WISH THINGS WOULDNT OF EVOLVED TO THIS. ITS SAD.

ok this song is bad

what made party animal hair metal bands get serious cat on ballads? Cant blame live aid as it was years before. What started it?

appealing to the ladies?

i do have a soft spot for some of these 'lick my love pump' slow jams but there's only a couple mentioned thus far that i like. 'love bites' being supreme. other good ones: 'alone again' by dokken, 'don't close your eyes' by kix.

yeah "alone again" is solid and "don't close your eyes" is all-time

appealing to the ladies?

I would have thought love song ballads did that quite well. It just seems weird that it went from there to dealing with serious topics

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Monster-Metal-Hits-Power-Ballads/dp/B001R59LF2

tho its not all ballads

"Don't Close Your Eyes" is INSANE.

Does this count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quG-Q7iKfn0

(OK, AMG says there's a mandocello on "The Flame". I'm not that familiar with that instrument tbh but yeah, it does sound more mandolin-like, for sure. I'm not sure that's not a guitar on "Nature's Way" though. Only guitars are listed in the credits on AMG. I just checked out three live clips where it is played on a guitar.)

xposts I kind of love "Don't Close Your Eyes".

has anyone mentioned the bryan adams robin hood song, because that

"when the children cry" is the worst

Alias - More Than Words Can Say
Cheap Trick - The Flame
Peter Cetera and Cher - After All
Bryan Adams - Heaven

Ha, I love that Alias song too. I honestly didn't know that its success extended beyond Canada.

I remember hearing it a LOT as a kid. that and the Styx song "Show Me the Way" and that Michael W. Smith crossover tune "Place in this World"

Ha, Alias was a supergroup with members of Sheriff and Heart!

This was like 5 times as big as that Alias song (went top 5 twice iirc):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b7iOoN5lIk

oh wow, I completely forgot that song!

Adored it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz8c7zPYxjY

Wow @ the last note in "When I'm With You"

I love a lot of power ballads unashamedly and some enthusiastically, but Steelheart's "I'll Never Let You Go" is THE ABSOLUTE WORST SONG OF THE 90S AND PERHAPS THE SECOND HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY.

Now that's what I call Kuschelrock!

Matthias Reim -Ich hab geträumt von Dir

Reached No.2 in Germany in 1991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3M1S6p2WoE

Hoo boy, there's some bad shit on this thread.

that was the point bill

this thread is cyberbullying me

also this is the ne plus ultra of power ballads because it has E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Wf1u5At4k

"worst power ballads" thread starts off with "to be with you," a song that totally rules, so, uh, okay

oh wait of course ag started a thread just to point at versions of metal he hates

yawn

my best friend and his wife, both of whom share much of my taste, chose "Love of a Lifetime" as their wedding dance last summer.

i grimaced after reading that

For weeks before the wedding I was offended -- I thought they were trolling! But they genuinely love the song, and it became theirs after they heard it on a satellite radio station a few weeks into dating.

all of my high school friends listened to the infamous 103.5 THE BLAZE in chicago, which between maybe '89 and '92 was playing nothing but "metal" such as this. along with some classic rock a la aerosmith, zep, kansas, rush, pink floyd, bad company, journey, etc. i think right around the time of trixter and 'adrenalize' the station plunged. they tried to keep up by putting nirvana and PJ in the playlist but Q101 was way ahead of them and basically stole half their audience.

more power ballads to 'em i guess

power ballads are cool

oh wait of course ag started a thread just to point at versions of metal he hates

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yawn

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, August 6, 2013 6:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does this mean I'm finally losing the reputation of the guy who loves and is earnest about everything? WOOHOO!

glad to be here

"Forever" by the 80's incarnation of KISS is always overlooked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzmvn7a0rvQ

not Nothing Else Matters? I thought you hated that

Unforgiven, that's that shit I don't like

look into my eyes

http://www.mrnuke.com/pics/apone1.jpg

I dig most of the stuff listed here. You guys need more cheese in yr diet.

you will see

waaaaht you mean to-ooo-oo me....

vg even loves this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ

"Forever" by the 80's incarnation of KISS is always overlooked.

― All kinds of heinous things,

and:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwnfhuPJGs

since we're posting vg's fave music apparently then this needs to be added
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-6GvkmMPv4

honestly, I used to have a playlist of this shit for like when I was trying to get to sleep at night, cuz cheesy ballads don't require much concentration, are usually earwormy, won't sound awesome enough to keep me awake active listening, and send me to the arena of my dreams. Shit I used to have on my sleepytime mix tapes included:

Skid Row-Wasted Time
Def Leppard - Love Bites
W.A.S.P. - Hold On to My Heart
Chicago - Will You Still Love Me? (FP me if you must)
Peter Cetera - The Glory of Love
Symphony X - Candlelight Fantasia (seriously this is awesome!)
Savatage - When the Crowds are Gone (this too!)
Jimmy Harnen - Where Are you Now
Starship - Sara
Stone Sour - Bother (yes, I'm aware of how horrible and faux-Def Leppardy it is)
Toto - I'll Be Over You

love bites is great, the production on that song knocks me out

that got to #1 in the states didnt it?

love bites is rad

I don't really think of Winds of Change in this category, even though it is the Scorps. it's fun to whistle to in the car though so *shrug*

"Love Bites" does exactly what it sets out to do. Joe Elliott's meek vulnerability on "When we make looooooooooooove", the wall of voice harmonies that come in on the pre-chorus, and the monstrous chorus....boom.

sadly, on Spotify, they only have a shitty live version of it.

is "Hysteria" a power ballad? I hope so. That thing glistens.

Yeah I prefer 'Hysteria' 100 x more than 'Love Bites', and I love that whole album a TON.

'Hysteria''s awesome.

I consider it one. at least with Def Leppard ballads, they knew how to do em right, with delightful bombast.

I know it ain't cool for us metal headbangaz to admit we like Hysteria but well I do... a lot. it's a great pop album.

omg lol @ your sleepytime playlist,

in partic

Chicago - Will You Still Love Me? (FP me if you must)

and that Toto song.

yeah its the type that I have to play at low volume in my room so my housemates don't burst into my room, pointing and laughing.

make no bones tho, other than that song, "Africa", and "Rosanna", if I hear Toto I drop what I'm doing and kick the nearest person's ass.

ok and maybe "Georgy Porgy"...

the people who like these songs make the best karaoke friends

all the metal snobbery re def leppard is so u_u and zzzzz

god forbid you like a band that perms their hair ffs

the thing about "I'll Be Over You" is just how wonderfully over the top it is, just imagining a bunch of well-to-do studio musicians rock stars laying out their 15 year old melodrama without any irony.

Some people live their dreams
Some people close their eyes
Some people's destiny
Passes by

lol 'destiny'

and then I like how Lukather sets it up in the pre-chorus to be like "but y'know, I'll be ok with the next line"

It takes some time
God knows how long
I know that I can forget you

and then hits you with the punchline

As soon as my heart stops breakin'
Anticipating
As soon as forever is through
I'll be over you

and then I like how Lukather sets it up in the pre-chorus to be like "but y'know, I'll be ok" with the next line"

That Toto song is closer to Richard Marx.

god forbid you like a band that perms their hair ffs

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

as soon as forever is through,
doot de doo doo doo

hysteria is an amazing album.

one more i thought of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p-BfRFPGR0

the band's name is tora tora, the album is surprise attack

zach classon 1 year ago

I remember in 5th grade I painted a picture of Surprise Attack in art class and i got an F cause i guess "there was nudity" cause the girls boobs hung out a bit but i gave myself an A on it:)

is "Hysteria" a power ballad? I hope so. That thing glistens.

I just looked at four undergrad textbooks on popular music or rock music. The only one that lists "power ballad" in its index is Covach's What's That Sound?. All he says is "[ i ]n a power ballad, the singer ... is given a chance to display his sensitive side, as the song often begins with a quiet expressive section, before the heavy guitars and drums enter to pump up the arrangement." He gives "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" as a representative example. This is pretty close to how I understand power ballads: the soft-loud contrast seems important to me. So in this sense, "Hysteria" wouldn't really be a power ballad in the way that "Love Bites" (or "Bringing On the Heartbreak") is. I don't know that there's any real hard-and-fast definition, though.

textbooks that don't cite Home Sweet Home as the textbook-definition of a power ballad are suspect imo

every rose is a ballad but it's kind of on the limp side ie lacking POWER

anyway I'm subverting the conversation to BEST powerballads

like dokken!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8rCLwNwf8I

every rose is a ballad but it's kind of on the limp side ie lacking POWER

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl),

just like their so called rocking songs funnily enough

fun party guys can't be expected to bring the power, that's someone else's job

they bring partytimez and cuddles

'every rose' and 'silent lucidity' and 'when the children cry' and 'more than words' err too much on the side of sensitivity, you need to have less wimpy 'why is the world sad' proselytizing or james taylor begging and more 'momma let me tell you' type testifying.

silent lucidity is def the worst power ballad in the history of putting words to music
cf Queensryche stink like a big stinky turd anyway

i should say 'why is the world sad, let me offer a vague unrealistic solution for all of us to follow'

lol totally agree about silent lucidity
i hate that song
it's no "heaven" lemme tell ya

Hush now, don't you cry
Wipe away the teardrop from your eye
You're lying safe in bed
It was all a bad dream
Spinning in your head
Your mind tricked you to feel the pain
Of someone close to you leaving the game of life
So here it is, another chance
Wide awake you face the day
Your dream is over... or has it just begun?

There's a place I like to hide
A doorway that I run through in the night
Relax child, you were there
But only didn't realize and you were scared
It's a place where you will learn
To face your fears, retrace the years
And ride the whims of your mind
Commanding in another world
Suddenly you hear and see
This magic new dimension

I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help you see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you, in Silent Lucidity

[spoken during solo]
(Visualize your dream)
(Record it in the present tense)
(Put it into a permanent form)
(If you persist in your efforts)
(You can achieve dream control)
(Dream control)
(How are we feeling today, better??)
(Dream control, dream control)
(Help me)

If you open your mind for me
You won't rely on open eyes to see
The walls you built within
Come tumbling down, and a new world will begin
Living twice at once you learn
You're safe from pain in the dream domain
A soul set free to fly
A round trip journey in your head
Master of illusion, can you realize
Your dream's alive, you can be the guide but...

I- will be watching over you
I- am gonna help to see it through
I- will protect you in the night
I- am smiling next to you....

wtf kind of robot writes a song like that

I always hated how Tate said "of life" in an intense whisper, as if he had just blown our minds with that 'out of nowhere' metaphor.

or how in live performances, he would point as his head, indicating, when he sang "in yr head"

or how in live performances, he would point as his head, indicating, when he sang "in yr head ZOMBIE ZOMBIE"

I still refuse to consider that song any sort of power ballad, unless you're also going to call "Comfortably Numb" and "Hey You" power ballads.

consider it more a 'faux-new-agey soft-serve assed' ballad

A thread for the worst ballads/power ballads by rawk bands

its not just power ballads itt

Like, those are not power ballad lyrics, you get that? These are power ballad lyrics:

I never needed love like I need you
And I never lived for nobody, but I live for you
Oooh, babe, lost in love is what I feel when I'm with you

Maybe it's the way you touch me with the warmth of a sun
Maybe it's the way you smile, I come all undone
Oooh, babe, lost in love is that I feel when I'm with you

Baby, oh I get chills when I'm with you
Baby, my world stands still when I'm with you
When I'm with you

I never cared for nobody like I care for you
And I never wanted to share the things I want to share with you
Oooh, babe, lost in love is what I feel when I'm with you

Baby, oh I get chills when I'm with you
Baby, my world stands still when I'm with you
When I'm with you

Baby, oh I get chills when I'm with you
Baby, my world stands still when I'm with you
When I'm with you
When I'm with you
When I'm with you...

xposts

its not just power ballads itt

Yeah, but somebody called it a power ballad.

every rose is a ballad but it's kind of on the limp side ie lacking POWER

I actually agree: it was a really weak example for Covach to use! "Bringing On the Heartbreak" is my go-to example.

sund4r is this a power ballad? :)
http://eil.com/images/main/Metallica+-+One+-+12%22+RECORD%2FMAXI+SINGLE-469939.jpg

Yeah, but somebody called it a power ballad.

And a few people were attacking it on grounds of not being a good power ballad or not as good as "Heaven" when I think it's going for something completely different.

I have no problem with calling "Jet City Woman" a power ballad.

xpost

only if the lyrics were

"Awww, baby, I can't remember anything (about last night)
Can't tell if this is true or dream (you here by my side)
Deep down inside I feel to scream (in ecstacy)
This terrible silence stops me (oooooh babe)"

OTM.

The irony is, of course, that I'm being anal and hairsplitting about power ballad criteria immediately after demonstrating that there's no real accepted definition.

Time to get offline.

so you can make the ultimate power ballad?

every rose is a ballad but it's kind of on the limp side ie lacking POWER

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl),

just like their so called rocking songs funnily enough

just like eeeeevvvery cowboy sings a sad sad song

someone actually started this thread in 2013? I was sure this was from 2001. Nearly every song mentioned on this thread rules, droolers.

Sister Christian is retroactively redeemed by that scene in Boogie Nights.

Sister Christian was redeemed for me because my best friend's brother was named Christian and we mercilessly taunted him with that song.

Alfred, its:

ev'ry cowbwah sings a SAYad SAYad SAWNG

sister christian shouldn't even be IN this conversation, there is nothing bad about that song unless your ears are broken

Heaven is *almost* the ultimate power ballad imo

don't know if this ozzy track was mentioned yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rSBgfXoIPo

Bringin On The Heartbreak's another close winner

Europe - "Carrie"

Alfred, its:

ev'ry cowbwah sings a SAYad SAYad SAWNG

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl),

otm

i thought it was more SAYad sayad SAWNG

It just occurred to me that the people praising "Heaven" are talking about Bryan Adams and not Warrant! This feels so relieving!

I was seriously feeling a little sad. I thought La Lechera and I were on the same page up to that point.

DO NOT NUMBER ME IN THAT GROUP sund4r OR I WILL MURDER YOU

warrant only

bryan adams' heaven is fine but I don't rate it in this convo

Wait, does that mean that you prefer the Warrant version?
xpost Oh crap, I guess so.

yes.

yes it does.

I was def talkin about the Bryan Adams one.

had no idea WArrant had one!

I think this is the second time a GURL has threatened me with violence over 80s music on ILM.

anyway I'm subverting the conversation to BEST powerballads

like dokken!!

definitely "Alone Again" is a master class in this

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2012/353/e/e/jani_lane_by_kickstartmyheart94-d5oi00z.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrSdXtFJG20

what a shitty shitty band warrant were. cherry pie video is sexist drivel that gives rock a bad name

zzzz

lol @ "cherry pie" being the moment rock and roll "went too far"

that's the moment AG reconsidered patterned spandex

gated drums on KISS album tracks was my moment of went-too-farness imo

I as going to post this as a Nuge joke but hearing it again it's actually pretty dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE

W.A.S.P.'s first single displayed more sexism and bad taste in the first minute than wArrant did in their entire careers!

(but it's also hella awesome so I made my peace)

W.A.S.P. got Reader's Digest articles written denouncing them! Boo hiss!

not sure you guys have heard the styx 'gulf war remix' of 'show me the way' i posted upthread but it's offensive on several different levels.

in a way, the ironic homoeroticism of 80's glam rock was quite possibly its most endearing feature

"Show Me the Way" is one of my least favourite things ever and I like 70s Styx.

not sure you guys have heard the styx 'gulf war remix' of 'show me the way' i posted upthread but it's offensive on several different levels.

with the clips of Bush and soldiers shooting Fedeeyeen or something

And then there's the masters of this genre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-greVjUEdc

and since this is ILM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcEu47mR43U

not sure you guys have heard the styx 'gulf war remix' of 'show me the way' i posted upthread but it's offensive on several different levels.

Jesus Christ. I got one minute in before I wanted to vomit

not a violent person, nor do I condone vigilantism, but if someone had shot Dennis DeYoung in the middle of performing this tune at a concert, I'd argue for acquittal on grounds of post-traumatic stress.

to be fair tho, I think the 'Gulf War' remix was largely the invention of DJs and not Styx themselves....

okay look if you want to talk about TERRIBLE then you need to talk about Pretty Boy Floyd

this is like a rough draft of Nikki Sixx's horrible 'Time for Change' with lyrics equally as bad and worse singing than Vince Neill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XlqXEAjLnU

and while we're at it, Time for Change is fucking terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPA7nJscUpI

the worst music ever made contained in one thread

grump

the worst music ever made contained in one thread

yeah it's called Rolling Metal 2013

jk

Everything on this thread is straight-up amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQiLnjg4LU

the bomb

i'm sure plenty on ilx might agree with you whether you're joking or not but hair metal is still one of the reasons metal gets sneered at by some.

because there are very serious gents out in the world who are singing about dragons and NOT using hairspray

we'd better make sure we slap it down some more since it's obviously the dominant musical genre these days

If I ever sneer at metal it's when people take it too seriously.

to be fair tho, I think the 'Gulf War' remix was largely the invention of DJs and not Styx themselves....

Pretty much entirely iirc.

we should poll Gulf War hits

Styx - Show Me The Way
Bette Midler - From a Distance
Voices That Care - Voices That Care
George Michael - Mother's Pride

others?

was "High Enough" considered one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highwire_(song)

Voices That Care is orangutan shit, and they made my elementary school choir sing it.

Actually maybe it was a good thing rock radio never existed here after all as it would have just been all this shit since the only time normal radio played any rawk it was ballads. I can just imagine the effect on the charts it would have had.

this is a super dumb thread AG

why so?

Some really greaeeeeeeaaat songs itt, including the first one mentioned! Crazy.

Well, it's not really that interesting to seriously listen to a bunch of decades-old things and pick the wors, with no real criteria other than taste, if you actually dislike them. However, this thread is actually GREBT because most people who are engaging with it are using it to talk about things we like or to critically discuss rock ballads, which AG seems completely OK with.

xxpost AG - because you have a definition of metal that wasn't always the definition of metal and isn't the definition now. when i was a kid a lot of these stupid songs meant a great deal to me and many of them are still great examples of rock and pop metal songwriting, something metal could use more of today IMO

i dont really have a definition of metal. I'm with chuck that a lot of things that arent considered metal are , at least partly, metal. Obviously my definitions aren't as broad as chucks.
As for this thread ballads/power ballads generally are shit imo and none-more-so than rock ballads.

this is a sad story!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Bratta

as i said IMO others feel differently thats fine. As sund4r said im fine with people saying they like songs iit and discussing rock ballads.

who made you the boss of people saying they like songs

?

I've argued enough with AG for three lifetimes, so I'll just sit back and watch this one.

i'm not fine with you sitting back and watching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N4UZPIr7SU

"wait" is pretty awful but man that's good guitar playing. with the double-tapping and whammy bar stuff he almost gets into like pedal steel territory

j perhaps you could be so kind to elaborate on what you meant as idgi

"wait" is great

but yeah he's probably overlooked, he had a kind odd style...reminds me of a pop metal adaptation of alan holdworth, kinda...i wonder if he was into that kinda stuff, really "liquid" sounding style.....

hi

hair metal solos are an element of music that's not been written about enough, the best of them were so composed and melodic while at the same time guys were really trying to one-up each other in terms of trick and pyrotechnics.....

otm

the worst of them were whammy-bar screech fests

I always repped for Bratta. I can listen to Pride for his playing. I think a lot of hair metal lead playing was pretty crude (talking about late Sunset Strip stuff) but Bratta actually had the chops that these guys used to claim.

Anyway if you want a good song then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqthrnE0DOQ

a couple months ago I discovered the existence of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RYmDm74IKE

have you heard the ozzy & kelly duet of Changes?

Some really greaeeeeeeaaat songs itt, including the first one mentioned! Crazy.

― Hooks on Phoenix worked for me (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 2:57 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously this is even worse than I would have predicted.

what a shitty shitty band warrant were. cherry pie video is sexist drivel that gives rock a bad name

― ..it would have sounded about as heavy as Talulah Gosh. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, August 7, 2013 1:43 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

cherry pie video is sexist drivel that gives rock an awesome name

"we were all here just playing our classy brand of innocent poofyhaircore and Warrant just comes out with these strip club guitar riffs, and starts swingin' these wild, ribald double entendres around carelessly and....I don't know, suddenly, I had to ask myself if I could be a part of this new regime. if this was where glam metal was going...I wanted out"

--anonymous guitarist, unnamed glam metal band, 1992

when i was a kid, I didn't really listen to lyrics much, but from the bum warming his hands by the trash can fire in the video, I figured "where the down boys go" was to a homeless camp. like on some open letter to a landlord ish.

see also Skid Row

I did an air band to Bon Jovi's deep cut "Blood on Blood" in Gr 5, when I was 10. (Do they still do those in elementary schools??) I honestly had no idea when I was mouthing the words what "Danny knew this white trash girl/We each threw in a 10/She took us to this cheap motel/And turned us into men" was describing.

lol

sounds like a sorceress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh8MIp2FOhc

ugh

How about "You're All I Need"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2emMdFdeXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-9NBhxTxw

Sean Morpheus 1 year ago

I have such a soft spot for the 80's ballads because they show and bring out the feminine side of these supposed hard guys who make womanizing an art form. They truly inside do feel mor for and about females than just the physical. And that is where the inspiration comes for alot of this romantic stuff. Yes some of it is contrived to make money at the time, but alot is also sincere and that is admirable. Guys need to start representing our gender better and showing females how special they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219aiv7ZLiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuKPTtyrXY0

I still lol at them going "industrial"

Best tune selection itt of any ilm thread

I always wondered what music you were into and now we know

I aint been hidin

it all makes sense now you going from hair metal ballads to chris de burgh

the TKO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0X6cJDDM

Silent Lucidity sounds to me more like a Pink Floyd The Wall rip than a true 80s power ballad.

Ha, I kept trying to make that point on this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkK8g6FMEXE

just made an entire playlist comprising only songs ITT

strangely i kinda think Steven Tyler's entire power ballad style during their 1987-1993 comeback period was a straight rip from Easy Like Sunday Morning.

Crying by Aerosmith is the worst offender.

Journey "Open Arms"
Michael Bolton "That's What Love Is All About"
Survivor "The Search Is Over"
Five For Fighting "Superman"
Bob Segar "Mainstreet"
Kid Rock "Only God Knows Why"
Hinder "Better Than Me"
Nickleback "If Everyone Cared"

so that's a list of bad songs.

the following are good songs:
Silent Lucidity
Love Song
Love Bites
The Flame
I Want To Know What Love Is
Heaven

The best Aerosmith power ballad besides "Dream On" is either "Angel" or "What It Takes" (not counting "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" since they didn't write it).

What It Takes, sure.

Angel.....naaaaw

otm

otm

"Angel" is the definition of garbaggio.

i enjoy its cheesy bombast but the strings veer towards dentist-drill levels of shrill

I'm pretty partial to "Amazing" tbrr

zach classon 1 year ago

I remember in 5th grade I painted a picture of Surprise Attack in art class and i got an F cause i guess "there was nudity" cause the girls boobs hung out a bit but i gave myself an A on it:)

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, August 6, 2013 7:30 PM bookmarkflaglink

so anyway let's talk about COOL power ballads or just ballads in general

the new shit on my sleepytime playlist...and you can judge it as shit or praise it, idgaf!

Richard Marx - Hold Onto the Nights (THE SOMETHING I'D BEEN LOOKING FOR IS RIIIIIGHT THEEEEEEEEREEEEEEEE)
Peabo Bryson - If Ever You're in My Arms Again (THIS TIMEEEE I KNOW IT'S FOREVERRR)
James Ingram - I Don't Have the Heart (*mega high falsetto at the end*)
Expose - I'll Never Get Over You (GETTIN OOOOVVVAAAAH MEEEE)
Queensryche - Open Road (this is Todd La Torre era, but serioussssly this song rules)
Laura Branigan - How Am I Supposed to Live Without You? (say Bolton, u die)
Nina - Foolish Heart (I like her version better than Steve Perry's!)
Cutting Crew - I've Been in Love Before (dude says "eyes" weird)
Phil Collins - Groovy Kind of Love (here come the FPs I'm sure)

Dio - Shame on the Night
Ann Wilson and Mike Reno - Almost Paradise
Def Leppard - Bringing on the Heartbreak

nowwww we’re talking

Neando & Losted your lists is almost all my faves!

Every Time You Go Away - Hall & Oates
Never Gonna Let You Go - Sergio Mendes
After All - Cher & Peter Cetera
Never Surrender - Corey Hart
She’s Like the Wind - Patrick Swayze
Heaven in Your Eyes - Loverboy
I Saw Red - Warrant
I Remember You - Skid Row
The price - Twisted Sister
Ballad of Jane - LA Guns
Love Song - Tesla

i kind of hate Paul Young’s version of Every Time, Daryl just sings it so much better than that square deadeyed limey imo

Shit I read that as "best and worst", those are some of my favorites.

I can't find a thread for best hard rock and metal ballads...

ok what i've been playing lately on sleepytime playlist which doesn't work because i don't sleep well anymore

Alias - More Than Words Can Say
Sheriff - When I'm With You (yes yes I know same singer on both of them)
Firehouse - Love of a Lifetime (hate away)
Steelheart - I'll Never Let You Go