Ask Nilmar/Nakh

Nilmar which composer reminds you of deems the most?

wtf x 2

1 We have a logodaely (sp) and 2 youve never even heard my stuff

Why do you like Nilmar (the second rate football player)?

maybe shostakovich, similar morbid wit and fractious relationship with dangerous hegemonic forces, stalin and the kgb for dsch and ilx' social justice industrial complex for deems

nilmar i don't have any particular affinity with i just used the name

he is better than second rate, i would say 'quite good' and deserves his lucrative semi-retirement in arabia

How would he compare to TWP?

"He was fond of satirical writers such as Gogol, Chekhov and Mikhail Zoshchenko. The influence of the latter in particular is evident in his letters, which include wry parodies of Soviet officialese. Zoshchenko himself noted the contradictions in the composer's character: "he is ... frail, fragile, withdrawn, an infinitely direct, pure child ... [but he is also] hard, acid, extremely intelligent, strong perhaps, despotic and not altogether good-natured (although cerebrally good-natured)"

Is the Nilmar I Facebook friended actually you?

Fair, kind even

To what extent and in what way do you identify with naxcivan

shostakovich : deems :: bartok : ?

velko

is that related to his fondness for folk songs?

there are lots of quotations from folk songs and other composers

similar dissimulating sort of remoteness

during bartok's last exilic years he would venture to hotel bars and nurse a glass of whisky while listening to melancholy piano jazz

did you hear that jose james record?

xp AHAHAHAHAH

idk jose james

Stockhausen: ?

xp I feel like you'd like it.

Nakh what is your radio station of choice?

what is the password to the 77 board?

logodaely (sp)

all lowercase, mind

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

or at least, broadband electronic waveforms, generated either synthetically or in a controlled feedback environment, that might constitute 'harsh noise' under certain interpretations

or at least hip enough so LJ can like it without his friends mocking him ;)

Stalin is harshly treated itt

Stockhausen: ?

― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Monday, 12 August 2013 23:58 (5 days ago)

this has to be our lj doesn't it?

that would make the 2007 ilx cohort the darmstadt school but i don't think we have a boulez

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

― imago, Tuesday, 13 August 2013 16:42 (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk about this, dumitrescu is probably the closest in spirit, maybe the most ~noize~ of current composers within the classical tradition and there is an lp of his computer music floating about which is rather caustic

zbigniew karkowski studied with xenakis though ~classical compositional techniques~ are not immediately evident from the things i am familiar with most of which are harsh noise / power electronics

there's something of Boulez in Whiney.

you pronouncing that bully?

maybe that question would be better addressed to milton parker

josé james seems pretty neat from a few things that they have on that youtube

it's not the sort of music i generally know much about

Best modern fusion of neo-classical and noise (though not that harsh) would have to be Venetian Snares iirc

venetian snares is some of the worst music literally of all time ever

No, it's not.

And apart from your judgement call, it does merge noise and classical music in a pretty unique way.

boulez and whiney isn't a bad comparison, but boulez started off in full kill yr idols mode before becoming more refined and bourgie

whiney seemed like a relatively peacable ilm poster before he joined ansar-al-rapgame and started throwing molotov cocktails around

nilmar has there ever been a successful fusion of classical (incl. modern classical) compositional techniques and harsh noise

Marianne Amacher?

amacher was brilliant

zbigniew karkowski studied with xenakis though ~classical compositional techniques~ are not immediately evident from the things i am familiar with most of which are harsh noise / power electronics

i have a kinda lol kinda sad story involving hanging out with him! (karkowski not xenakis)

boulez and whiney isn't a bad comparison, but boulez started off in full kill yr idols mode before becoming more refined and bourgie

Lol whut?!

Boulez was a perfect schoolboy, boy next door in the way he learned and got to form his own style. Boulez was delicate, dipping his toe into the hot waters of atonality, and his examples like Messiaen etc. Nothing 'kill yr idols' about it.

suggest you wikquote boulez

Not since Wagner had a composer played the bully to such effect. Boulez’s tactics were exuberantly brutal: he compared himself several times to the Bolsheviks and to the Chinese Red Guards. He placed Stravinsky in his neoclassical period at the head of the “useless.” He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.

André Souris described young Boulez as a "little savage", "full of a sort of anonymous rage". ILX describes Whiney as

Bully in words, but in music, when he started out? Not so much.

But then this is not the Ask LBI thread....

Milton Parker was reading a book about Darmstadt at the party when he, geeta, and I were hanging with Shakey and his progeny

idk what bully in music would sound like? it's difficult to get that cockney rejects / gravediggaz sort of leering aggression using just a piano, anyway

i am intrigued by the idea of a music that combines pianos + shouting

wasn't lj "class of 2006"? I was a 2008-er and I think he'd been around longer than a year when I started posting

wasn't lj "class of 2006"? I was a 2008-er and I think he'd been around longer than a year when I started posting

― not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Saturday, August 17, 2013 2:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He was, but does it matter? You two were all over each other for a year or two iirc

sarahel and lj had some of the best repartee

Oh, for sure

i have an extra "l" now, times are different.

there was a platonic sort of pocahontas element because lj was venturing among these strange and restive people who could not understand his english ways and only sarahel had the poise & semiotic skills to move across the divide

Very different! The extra 'l' did not go unnoticed! Xp

Sarahel defo had the poise and semiotic skills, but on a more mundane level, she was just very coy an fond of him iirc

i did have an ilx crush on lj for a while, it's true

nilmar/nakh who have you had crushes on

And i applaud you for your honesty. Bcz it is nowt to be ashamed off.

Heck, I still have an ilx crush on lj

Xp

i will be shocked if he answers that question

yes this is an i love music thread

the young martha argerich around the time of her famous mid 60s liszt & chopin recordings

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bwo4HHV51qke3bko1_500.jpg

it's not like i asked about second-rate footballers, but ok

she has really nice eyebrows

she does

beyonce knowles from destiny's child is very pretty too

Ya she does

http://90.146.8.18/bilderclient/FE_2005_forumII0992_012_p.jpg

what do you think of the dudes in the row behind Maryanne?

the one with the baseball cap looks sort of slavic but i am finding it difficult to envisage why any of them would be anywhere near maryanne amacher

i think they might be into 'jam bands'

i know, right!!!

So not gonna happen

the picture is on Ars Electronica's site

Pippa's

networked Ars with the sphincter as microcontroller connected to a Max Patch

which changes the tone and intensity of the sound based on the number of flushes of the venue's toilets

<3 y'all

Listened to shotakivich's 5th i would prob write something a lil more hummable but it was tolerable to me

Nilmar, why does nobody want to poll Schoenberg's string quartets (Schoenberg's String Quartets)?

hah i have been thinking about that

probably 4, i spent about a week listening to it and still finding it....enigmatic

3 i don't remember at all, i need to back to it

Listened to shotakivich's 5th i would prob write something a lil more hummable but it was tolerable to me

― "fear of putting out" in one's early thirties (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 August 2013 01:05 (Yesterday)

nice

he wrote 15 and #10 and #15 are the ones i go back to

old shostakovich had one of the best 'looks' of any composers, i think

http://i.imgur.com/iyIxkCz.jpg

mark e smith's dad

might be worth checking his itinerary in the late fifties to see if he made any trips to manchester

always smiling and frowning

I keep listening to other dsch symphonies so I can stan less typically, but 10:i really is all I want

7 reminds me of playing yahtzee with my parents as a kid. except the yahtzee games were not nearly as ott

what do you think of airpano.ru

✓

and not just saying because it's ilm, the music is sweet

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2013/aug/12/tokyo-second-largest-photo-interactive

anyway please close this shit old thread now not because it's a shit old thread but because otherwise deems will complain sincerely-mock-sincerely about double standards

fu i am always 100% sincere

http://i.imgur.com/7H6yMAN.jpg

ey bruh what is your favourite song in this week's official uk top 20 singles chart

there are only two songs there that i know, one because it transcended music to become culture and one because deems suggested i read the thread about it to consider some 'trolling' by an ilx poster who turned out to be an imbecile rather than a troll, which deems conceded upon admonishment

he defended himself by saying that he had greater reserves of interpretive charity

the songs are both unworthy of consideration

i said, iirc, that all new posters get BOD, a stance that nets you the odd wins and therefore worthwhile imo

what are your hobbies?

xxp yeah i thought you'd bottle it

what happened

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7d584fbf803ba7ccb85cf4b4c29acd82/tumblr_muw3yq8Pos1rb3vo6o1_500.gif

shqip it real there lil bartman

i said, iirc, that all new posters get BOD, a stance that nets you the odd wins and therefore worthwhile imo

― his LIPS !!! (darraghmac), Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:33 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Choose to read this as a rare compliment to ilx user wins

I read that at the time and it hadn't occurred to me until now that it could be read as anything other than a referenced to you!

Surely it is referring to ilx user wins?

Yes SURELY

(not how I read it but the ppl hhave spoken

Sometimes someone points out to me that a sentence can be read differently to how I read it and then I become paranoid that I a misinterpreting every single thing I read and hear and have been for my entire life

wins is cool

yeah wanna meet wins. wins come over to mine, bring psychedelics. nakhers u shd come too

give me about 7 months and maybe i will visit yr proud island nation

☆*･゜ﾟ･*\(^O^)/*･゜ﾟ･*☆

― c21m50nh3x460n, Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:40 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's...learning

lol I've decided hexy's ok but in velociraptor terms he hasn't even figured out the catflap yet

imago I can mebbe get some shrooms but you may have to come here

haha will consider

ok but in the meantime nilmarzinho I believe deems asked you a question

what does BOD mean?

http://www.trytime.tv/files/images/Brian-O

wins i cant be fucking expected to signpost every fucking trick and fucking flourish for you, if the closest reading you can manage in relation to the speed of content i provide is a quick bookmark here, a scrip there, an underline over there to remind you to return later and search for the depth and meaning of what flashes before you all too briefly, well tbh were i you and given the relative forces at play i would consider myself not ill-treated to so scurry for nuggets.

scurrying for nuggets i say

nakh, your historical chemical boundaries were requested in another thread and i repeat the call here

HAPPY BIRTHDAY M8!

such a scorpio

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58217000/jpg/_58217390_mcnultypostmidnight.jpg

happy birthday, seasoned poster man

hb malty knackers

many happy returns you miserable old git

such a scorpio

― r|t|c, Monday, 4 November 2013 09:32 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omfg yes

hope today is more motile than other days

happy birthday N. presumably a full military review outside your diplomatic residence this eve, followed by mandatory bout of civic appreciation and dinner.

followed by exemplary executions of political dissidents, followed by Buckfast

i dont bleev for a second you have revealed your real birthday to anyone so

http://i.imgur.com/WdtxOgV.jpg

乒乓 have you seen eureka (aoyama, 2000)

is Nilmar Jr mothered by Cara De?

http://i.imgur.com/NwSSgs5.png

for posterity

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/HPIMObiang.jpg/200px-HPIMObiang.jpg

idkf football tbh but the wiki that jpg is from is gr8

Biography

Born in Alcalá de Henares, the Community of Madrid, Obiang starts his football career playing for various teams from his natal city such CD Avance and AD Naya, where he excelled. Due to these participations, he was transferred to the Cadete team of Atlético Madrid. He left Atlético Madrid in 2008 at age 16, the minimum age that international transfer within the European Union is allowed. He was the member of Allievi Nazionali youth team in 2008–09 season, but also call-up to the first team in pre-season.[1] He also appeared as unused bench on 28 January 2009 against Lazio and against Chievo, by the decision of coach Walter Mazzarri. In 2009–10 season, he was promoted to senior youth team – Primavera.

Primary a youth team player, Obiang also played 7 times in pre-season friendlies in summer 2010, scored 2 goals. After the injury crisis of the Genoese team, which the team lost midfielders Stefano Guberti, Fernando Tissone, Andrea Poli and Paolo Sammarco, he received a call-up again from new coach Domenico Di Carlo,[2] and made his competitive debut on 12 September 2010. He substituted Vladimir Koman in the 58th minute, at that time Doria losing 1–2 to Juventus. Eventually Doria 3–3 draw at Stadio Olimpico di Torino. Obiang signed a new 5-year deal with Doria on the morning before the start of the match.[3]

He also named in 2010–11 UEFA Champions League 25-men senior squad (list A) for play-off round and received the call-up against Werder Bremen,[4] however Obiang was not named as one of players on the bench. He also received his first call-up for 2010–11 UEFA Europa League on 28 September 2010 as list B players (Under-21 youth product).[5] He made his European debut on 16 December 2010 (matchday 6), as the club certainly eliminated before the match. The match eventually losing 0–2 to Debrecen.
International career

Obiang capped for Spain in youth levels. Obiang received a call-up for Porto International Tournament in April 2011.[6]

He received a call-up from Gabon U-20 against China in November 2011,[7] however he did not play the match.[8]

Why no nilmar posts this year?

On 6 August 2013, he declared to Arabic news network Al Jazeera that he was looking to terminate his loan at Lekhwiya and return to Al Rayyan following a training ground bust up with Lekhwiya first team coach Oliver Rumbold.

ah

Which premiere league manager would you like a few beers with most?

the most interesting one these days is certainly felix magath though he doesn't drink alcohol

is he a fucking pussy or something lol

nakhchivan, what is your favourite situation comedy?

lj's love life

:O

the second set of three episodes from the first year of the thick of it before langham got got

nakh do u watch veep?

yeah its alright, somtimes quite good but the early thick of it was something else entirely

the most recent veep eps are really fantastic

Have you watched the last 2 episodes of Veep? For me they have been the funniest in a while. I suppose Veep is a bit warmer than early TTOI but that is probably the reason I prefer it.

the second set of three episodes from the first year of the thick of it before langham got got

― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 21:34 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a brilliant answer

does this include those hour-long 'rise of the nutters' specials? first of those might be my favourite episode in sitcom history

Some of the humour in early TTOI was ugly disablist shit irc, glad they would get fucked for it now.

does this include those hour-long 'rise of the nutters' specials?

you're really bad at knowing when these were!

oh they came immediately afterwards

nakh, what do you think of the director Alan Clarke?

No, over a year and a year and a half later, and did not contain Langham

there's a lot of unpleasantness, at its best there was a certain ambiguity about the amount of hate involved and how it worked in terms of sitcom laugh cues, sometimes it doesn't work in a reflexive sense and is just crudely unpleasant

the premise is that satire against the hated political class is essentially conservative and anodyne, so it inverts it by identifying directly with the political class and against the hateful hoi polloi that bemuse them, 'tabards and mean little mouths' etc

it's not a completely coherent piece of work but its subtlety came from presentation of amorality not in a pure will-to-power sense (this became overplayed once sitcom legend tucker became the focus) but more as structural inertia / death drive and paranoia, abbott is essentially vapid and lost, a papery nothing

therefore it's probably the cultural best response to the iraq war and the third way that exists

haven't seen anything by alan clarke, don't have a lot of interest in british films of that era but should probably see 'elephant' which a number of people i rate seem to like

I always preferred Leigh for Meantime, the play for today triumphs and Life Is Sweet. It constantly beats all that "I am the fucking daddy around here" bollocks.

I wouldn't say "Scum" is his best work. I like it but it does have a things wrong with it. His TV stuff is much better than his movies in general. I love "Contact", "Christine" and "Road" a lot.

a *few* things wrong with it.

I like Mike Leigh a lot too. I've been meaning to watch "Meantime" for a while now.

Nakh, what do you think of Dom P and Momus as a) ILX0rs and b) as internet personalities?

good q

momus as an ilx poster was mostly alright and is usually the least embarassing person on any 2001 era threads that get revived where he is doing his titillating lil apercus about lacan and japanese rape porn shtick to an interchangeable cast of belle and sebastian fans on first name terms

as an internet personality he remains resolutely early 2000s and it would be deathly dispiriting to find he is still keeping it going on twitter or whatever

dom p as an ilx poster no longer seems to be quite the same king under the mountain (whoever the italian version of that is) to the remaining spirit-of-'07 posters who have let go of their cause of anarchy that was beyond tenability now that someone like 'how's life' better exemplifies the spirit of the age

as an internet personality he has probably gone onto better things, idk? talented vindictive writer, could maybe develop into some sort of less lyrical jonathan meades type

do chaki next

hmmn

probably the second most interesting mexican jew of the mid 2000s after ariel pink

surprised your so soft on momus frankly

what aspects of momus did u most dislike?

jesus, a possessive vs contraction typo

i think it would have to be his sideways shit-talking imperviously blind way of writing and thinking about everything

that's just my recollection tho

Current Tokyo fashion is reggae style; big woolly hats. I find this a lot more acceptable than trucker hats because the underclass it references Jamaican black spliffed-up musicians rather than American white trash redneck drivers. I mean, break it down:

Jamaican: They are Jamaican. (Left wing poor country value.)
Black: They are black. (Left wing racial value.)
Spliffed up: They smoke dope. (Left wing peace vibe.)
Musician: Creative. (Left wing expressive occupation value.)

American: They are American. (Right wing rich country value.)
White: They are white. (Right wing colonial bastard value.)
Trash: They are lower class. (Right wing populist value.)
Redneck: Not urban. (Right wing 'private property, soil, C&W, patriotism' type value.)
Drivers: Aggressive individualist job. (Right wing occupation value.)

So are trucker hats (no matter how 'ironic') a youth culture trend that could only happen under the Republicans? Why are the Williamsburgers not wearing big woolly rasta hats? Is it because they're not 'woolly liberals' right now?

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:57 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does he ghostwrite for greg gutfield now?

his endearingly naive anti-americanism, insistence on anglo/non-anglo as binary to understand all of culture is quite endearing, reminds me of the cockroach shakespeare dude

so glad i caught up on this thread *rests chin on hands*. i was always secretly pro-momus even when seeking noise approval. who was the cockroach shakespeare dude?

i listened to some of momus' recent surrealist podcast and it was really good imo, propah twilight-zone resonance fm shit

matt, Cockroach News of Cockroach England

ah yes

were you former DiS noize hardman Geirogeirgegege? or do you just share an old username.

yes.

i'm thinking of starting to read fiction again soon -- any recommendations?

lol i am not nor have i ever been a contributor to the drownedinsound site or forums

cursory search suggests that this hardman was simply named 'Gerogerigegege' which is just the name of the japanese noise group, not with the 'geir' modification

tom mccarthy's remainder is so good, also relatively recent enough that i simply have to recommend that

if you want something a bit less obvious, inferences from a sabre by magris is my favourite short novel

thank you!

can vouch for 'inferences from a sabre' — still need to read 'danube'

http://i.imgur.com/4kO5xZU.jpg

http://www.necpress.com/tickimg/insectlogoshirt.jpg

Nils / Nakhy, here's an easy one for you:

What are you listening to these days?

things

is there a chinese character for

things

i like the vagueness of the latin res = things, or a lot of other things other than just things

things u like about albums by bands

What are you listening to these days?

― ∞

chiastic slide, dopesmoker, revolutionary pekinese opera ver 128

those are all good albums by bands

The Chinese word for 'things' is 东西 (at least in standard Mandarin)

They are the characters for East and West, respectively

I think it probably is called that because it evokes 'everything between the East and the West' but I am not sure

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UXP5AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA901&lpg=PA901&dq=dictionary+of+untranslatables+res&source=bl&ots=yLY-MUuJqP&sig=Y0w_61AqJxz7JKeZwROV9fa_szg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=iEyaU-CXEe2V7AaXnYCoDg&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=res&f=false

things

dear nakhchivan,

i have listened extensively to a compilation of autechre's first three albums and found its res to be incompatible with my joy

are chiastic slide and lp5 closer in craft to the wonders that followed, and is it in your estimation that i'd relish them?

also, dayo that is more elegant than even 'res', but I wonder if there could be an even more abstract rendering of thingness (as opposed to the liminal haecceity (nakhers taught me that word) implicit in the linguistic allusion even to a 'thing')

have you seen any stupid looking dogs recently?

just thinking baout 东西

― ∞, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 21:26 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

chexy's new username strikes me as a decently abstract abjection of thingness that does for an asshole 'things'

try to view autechre less telelogically, they all have good things on their own terms
lp5 is certainly worth having a look at, its sort of glossy and tuneful but with a perverse logic mitigating against that

have u heard new Vatican shadow?

It's ok if you find autechre dull lj

Yeah

Use that as a starting point, it could be your "way in" to their albums

who's chexy BTW

hi chexy

Crimson hexagon I assume, now infinity symbol?

aha

lj, try ep7

try to view autechre less telelogically, they all have good things on their own terms

same for all music - take each record for its own merits and dont worry about the writing on the front

What are you listening to these days?

― ∞

chiastic slide, dopesmoker, revolutionary pekinese opera ver 128

― Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, June 13, 2014 1:55 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

turns out not to be chexy

chiastic slide rules

have u heard new Vatican shadow?

― Mordy, Friday, 13 June 2014 02:25 (Yesterday)

no, probably will eventually but fernow just releases too much music

so did muslimgauze

fernow has no actual political opinions I think

not at the moment

lol imago

(when) does nilmar/nakh sleep?

http://i.imgur.com/WdCiXjx.png

http://www.talkabout.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Fotolia_39080342_L.jpg

http://quintessentialruminations.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/keaton-and-beckett.jpg

l-r: nakh, sleep.

nakh when people like spectrum RIP make a show of not being able to spell your dn does that strike you as an intimidatingly alpha negging move or do you ryde at rubes advertising their ignorance re nakhchivan

also do you like moire

To what extent and in what way do you identify with naxcivan

― darraghmac, Monday, 12 August 2013 01:58 (1 year ago)

nakchivan is not even hard to pronounce

but apparently hard to spell

nakh u will of enjoyed this from today's brutal clash

https://vine.co/v/OBOnO2XareX

nakh when people like spectrum RIP make a show of not being able to spell your dn does that strike you as an intimidatingly alpha negging move or do you ryde at rubes advertising their ignorance re nakhchivan

also do you like moire

― a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Saturday, 30 August 2014 12:03 (2 days ago)

there doesn't appear to be too much danger of spectrum becoming or attempting to become alpha any time soon

people do seem to find the k-h-c-h series inordinately difficult, same for the s-z-c-z of slavic languages

bridget riley has done some valuable work using moire

nakh u will of enjoyed this from today's brutal clash

https://vine.co/v/OBOnO2XareX

― nakh is the wintour of our diss content (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 August 2014 03:19 (Yesterday)

very much so

what is the big man so upset about?

cunt ref obv tisnt the wind I picked it up from

bridget riley has done some valuable work using moire

agreed! I was talking about the werkdiscs artist tho

the assumption was that you were referring to some sort of cultural entity such as a band or an album by a band

Moiré ‎– Shelter
Genre:
Electronic
Style:
Deep House, Techno, IDM
Year:
2014

idk what this is exactly but there it looks possibly interesting enough to download the flac or alac version

I think it's good and possibly like something you'd like

Werk Discs' new MVP, Moiré, patterns a unique fusion of leftfield House and Techno with debut album, 'Shelter'. Rooted in wayward modern funk, and brimming with emotive chicanery, 'Shelter' is a thoroughly considered, robust LP statement that stands out from the current crowd. Sounding out somewhere between Carl Craig's erogenous house and the psychedelic zones of Actress, it occupies an unstable, shifty mid-ground, in flux between tiered layers of classic analogue synths, tape machines and drum computers (check his feature on Fact magazine for a run-down of the synths he used). Across eight tracks it rarely feels formulaic or prosaic, instead it veers off at right angles into new rhythms, but never feels scatty or mad for the sake of it. From the seductively moody beatdown of 'Attitude' thru the loping future boogie of 'Elite / Hands On' and the multi-dimensional techno-house squeeze, 'No Gravity', we're in engrossingly detailed, imaginative new territory whose influence is set to reverberate thru the scene.

somewhere between carl craig's psychedelic house and the erogenous zones of actress

wayward modern funk
brimming with emotive chicanery
robust LP statement
Carl Craig's erogenous house
and drum computers
check his feature on Fact magazine for
never feels scatty or mad for the sake of it
seductively moody beatdown of 'Attitude'
loping future boogie
multi-dimensional techno-house squeeze,
set to reverberate thru the scene

thats quite a selection but the near certainty that it was written by someone from the uk probably ensures that the choice is 'set to reverberate thru the scene'

nakh do u rate the 'monotonprodukt' cds and what else do u know that sounds like that

yeah monotonprodukt 07 is one of my favourite lps of that era

theres nothing i know of from around that time that really sounds anything like that

possibly worth investigating asmus tietchens from the 1980s

and ive posted about this already, its excellent

http://www.discogs.com/Ike-Yard-Regis-Monoton-Versions/release/3916122

this moire album owes a lot to actress / hazyville
its quite accomplished

http://i.imgur.com/DiL847a.gif

What do you think is going on here

idk, im guessing its in west africa, writing suggests former english colony
humvee doesnt look like typical african military equipment,
something to do with the ebola outbreak, is there a pan-african or un force there? trying to forcibly quarantine the poor chap maybe idk

CVB News is a South Asian news service
Nothing going on in that gif looks like quarantine

the (rattan?) cane made me think it could be india because that is such a british affect (even if someone else probably invented it)
the people could be southern indians, its difficult to tell
there were some very violent clips of forcible quarantines

if it is india then possibly a low caste mendicant being assaulted, that's not uncommon
doesnt explain the humvee
could be sri lankan govt forces, plenty of aptitude for violence there

india or burma was my first thought so i kept looking at the people to see if they were west african or indian
the hair of the last person to enter the frame probably clarifies that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ZWhiW2fV0

theres def a thread to be had for identifying what is happening in grainy gifs of news events

i'm surprised it is from northern india because all of the northern indians i have known (which is probably 90%) have have had much paler skin tones than the people there

although there is that indian obsession with dark skin as a mark of low caste, for which as with most of the world's iniquities the english seem to bear some responsibility

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_based_on_skin_color#India

Think northern Indians / punjabi constitute a large part of the diaspora, yeah?

certainly in the circles i grew up in where most indian people were the children of doctors or business owners mostly of north-eastern indian ancestry

my knowledge of india is not that great, sociologically it is so complex
was on wikipedia trip the other reading pages like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_Other_Backward_Classes_communities

afaict ppl in india mostly/often differentiate themselves by religion, caste & lineage (like rajput clan or w/e) before notions of ethnicity come into play (w/ some exceptions like ppl hating/joking about biharis). but yeah indian demographics are so complicated tho, I'd love to read something good on it. mb punjabis/gujaratis/kashmiris have lighter skin than yr average hindustani person from uttar pradesh idk, but those guys look v typical to me

wow wtf @ other backward classes

tbf despite the terrible name i think that's just their way of recognizing + supporting underserved communities

that's what it is supposed to do but the name is telling about the sort of paternalism involved (that isn't a criticism necessarily, if the alternative to paternalism is just a blithe dismissal)

I think britain can claim some credit for the patrician tone too

they have only recently begun overturning the colonial sodomy laws in india

i was wtf-ing because i had no idea there were so many castes

another elective affinity with england

india is on another level tho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Social_groups_of_Uttar_Pradesh

I know UP is big like, but this is pretty dizzying & unnavigable

The traditional occupation of the Naqqal was mimicry (as bahrupiyas), but like other guild based castes, they have seen a decline in their traditional occupation. Most Naqqal have now taking up shop keeping and peddling, while some are now wage labourers. They are in the process of acquiring a new identity as Kashmiri Shaikh, and this has meant the progressive abandonment of their traditionally occupation. It is quite possible that if they succeed, the Naqqal name will be consigned to history.

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fuckboys
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?

why don't you like burial?

just dislike all of the recurring production tropes and the dull solemnity of it all, general contempt for the genre it belongs to and is supposed to exemplify

I thought he's pretty reverent about trip hop, not sure what you mean by contempt

that is to say my own contempt for it

think he needs to give up the nightbus/deserted mcdonalds shtick

burial should make tracks for slow-moving message boards with names like "14 active users" instead

"best track on new radiohead album"

"some arsehole's bumped the beatles thread"

the ineluctable pathos of trying to read ilx on a 2007 nokia on a 2g signal in a damp underpass on a decrepit council estate in stockwell, given musical form

"Burial: Classic or Dud?"

thanks for answering!

nakh what is the most angry and/or aggressive you can ever remember being

Oh I had one (bearing in mind that this is an ilm thread smh deems): nakh, do you fuck with editions of contemporary music?

the most angry i can ever remember being about music was a really stupid argument in the lower sixth where i told a kid he was a fucking cunt and that he should kill himself

it started when he took umbrage to a typically light hearted remark i made about placebo being socially useful inspite of themselves because they inspire dullards to self harm, and with my customary level of self-control at that age it just became an increasing inflamed and stupid ad hominem thing

Haha unchill

ecm is mostly not a label i am that familiar with largely because i have never been particularly interested in avantgarde jazz or suchlike, with the occasional exception like cecil taylor

its an area i am considering spending a little more time with though, ive been playing that hubbard/mimaroglu lp recently

appositely enough given that 'lol kim kartrashian, me thinks' related revive the other day, the ecm thing i have spent most time with by far is the kashkashian recording of the bartok viola concerto which although probably not one of bartok's finest pieces (it was assembled from sketches after his death) is one of my favourites from years ago

how many times a day do you think you type the phrase 'me thinks'?

http://ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=5128584&boardid=77&threadid=89853

so like... four?

something like that, if u can think of anything apposite to search for the purposes that of that thread then its always adding methinks after it for extra realnes

do you think painfully arch english webslang is better or worse than the painfully cute american webslang people who work in offices use?

your post in the ecm thread made me irl lol, that was what made me think to ask the question, thought it could go either way

I have downloaded a number of flacs of albums on ecm

btw that "are you a foodie" thread contains both "jackassery" and "quaffed on" and I'm sure many more "traets" for the gourmand, I only skimmed it the other day

the english stuff seems worse because it seems grounded in so many other dreadful aspects of majoritarian middle class culture here, the witless sarcasm, the reflexive inanity, the 'archness', the subsitution of trivia for learning, the affection for fictive recreations of the vanished past
what sort of stuff are you thinking of in terms of cute american webslang people who work in offices use?
the different types of american internet cant are not as clearly delineated to me

"i just threw up a little in my mouth" < thank god i have not seen this one in quite a while

middle class american internet slang feels more... reiterative and reflexively ironic like 'tongue-in-cheek' appropriation of outdated teenage slang/lol cats also the portmanteaus tend to be cutesy things like 'ladyboner' and not compound swears also quoting 30 rock and the simpsons and other sitcoms. feels like it comes out of like pre-facebook internet communities that used html tag jokes and stuff, its more centered in the internet, less comfy and backwards looking but more juvenile?

</rant>

shamed

that stuff probably reflects more of an imperative that one should not be bored, enervated or suffering in the workplace that one occupies for 50 weeks p/a so it has to be leavened with humour and fatuity

theres also a sort of managed tolerance of puerility and mild obscenity 'talking ghetto' or whatever being really quite an amusing conceit for middle class americans, similar to the compound swearing pandemic but without the 'archness' or the 'verbal flourishes'

in general english people with unfulfilling working lives are perhaps more prepared to let that be known, the 'it's a bit shit really' crap that jhosh correctly identifies in british petit bourgeois affectivity, anyone who shares a daily mash article is not going to a great effort to conceal how much they resent being alive

well i must say, load of bollies, you todgerflapping pisswizard. lol indie music though, right? lol pop as well

srs qn: do u like cara d. in part because her surname is autechrean & wd fit nicely on one of the midperiod eps

doesnt really seem that autechre like idk
id venture that if you reload this page half a dozen times you'll find something more autechrean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random

Six Companies, Inc.
John Lloyd
2006–07 All-Ireland Senior Club Football Championship
Handkerchief
Archestratus (music theorist)
St Peter's, Bethnal Green

point taken, that's an EP right there

Tuckercon, also known as Archon31, was the ninth North American Science Fiction Convention, held in Collinsville, Illinois, on August 2–5, 2007, at the Gateway Center and Collinsville Holiday Inn.[1] Collinsville is just across the Mississippi River from St Louis, Missouri.

Tuckercon/Archon31
Genre 	Science fiction/Fantasy
Venue 	Gateway Center and Collinsville Holiday Inn
Location(s) 	Collinsville, Illinois
Country 	United States
Inaugurated 	August 2–5, 2007
Attendance 	~1,700
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and so on and so forth

CottageMed
Loughglinn
Athymhormia

^^^this last one is interesting actually

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athymhormia

would it not sometimes be preferable to suffer this

that would probably just be 'avolition' in current dsm parlance

the category it belongs to is amusingly incoherent, grouping together such diverse phenomenological states as

Lightheadedness
Hypervigilance
Paradoxical laughter
Delusional parasitosis
Coma
Persistent vegetative state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Symptoms_and_signs:_Cognition,_perception,_emotional_state_and_behaviour

in a coincidence that deserves remark, was seriously considering starting an ilafl thread called 'the lure of anhedonia', painting yourself as the converse lord henry to my converse dorian gray, before i realised that you are possibly both henry & gray, and the dilemma is already a thread - นเศรษฐกิจ - and one that numbers among my favourites

nakh what is yr exposure to vinb

Vincent Browne tears into Seanad hopeful Regina O…: http://youtu.be/ePYNPPh2dCI

ive read columns by him the irish times before

the irish times is cheaper to buy in london than the english broadsheets now, i bought a copy the other week, cool to learn that they are housing families in prefabs in dublin now

i'd liek to say we're working on it but tbh i jumped the housing ship a few years back and glad i am of it

vob written stuff is not quite up to scratch (nb i've only read the same type of thing- his irish times opinion pieces- i'm sure his harder investigative stuff going back years and years has more merit) cos he really needs to inhabit the questioner role with the prey in front of him, his strength is in pouncing on each twist and turn and crushing mercilessly, also the sounds he makes off-camera if an interviewee says something he doesn't like are U&K.

ive not seen enough of paxman but where vinb has an edge personally is is not holding himself above any of it, it's p raw stuff when he goes into someone as in the clip above (if it can be raw and at the same time perfectly genial in intent, only allowing for the arena as a sacred ground in which to so combat)

1. do you ever consult rateyourmusic.com as a resource for music reviews and/or ratings?
2. is there any '60s/'70s electronic music that you would consider "autechrish"?

never really spent any time on rateyourmusic

my expectations of old electronic music have probably been affected by exposure to autechre and other music dependent on advanced software and the sort of (pseudo)complexity that can be achieved with relative ease

secondly so much current abstract electronic music has some relation to electro, techno etc of the 80s even if it is as submerged as it is in late autechre, which gives it a sort of insistence and energy (to my mind a good thing yet many early electronic composers who graduated via serialism etc would dismiss it as so much hebephrenic primitivism) its precursors don't have

so not really, although i'd cite xenakis who claimed to have invented granular synthesis, but more for the ferocity and argument of his electronic music, and perhaps someone like parmegiani

ilx' social justice industrial complex

lol

what is your opinion of mark fell?

what is your life goal?

snd/fell mildly enthusiastic about, need to spend some more time with the stuff from recent times

lot of respect to anyone who can fashion so distinctive a sound in that sort of music but it's trying to play a whole album of it; lorenzo senni is another like that

going through some of the sensate focus tracks the last couple of days and i like the one with vladislav delay

tentatively suggest that the two track ep is the best format for a lot of electronic music, demdike stare being an exemplary case

nakh,

what did you think of Hatfields & McCoys? did you think it was boring?

idk what that is and had to look it up

nakh, what poem or short story do you most wish you had been assigned to read in 10th grade?

in britain 10th grade is called "year 11" according to wikipedia. students are 15-16 years old

nakh, what poem or short story do you most wish you had been assigned to read in 10th grade?

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this sort of stuff (nsfw)

http://unionegiovani.altervista.org/gallery/cache/b-w-forensic-photography/b-w-forensic-photography7_595.jpg

― the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:10 AM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's probably something to that. my students fucking loved the poe stories we read when people were buried alive.

'a little fable' by franz kafka

nilmar/nakh how old are u

younger than nilmar older than the nakhchivan autonomous republic

Nakh's age

nilmar/nakh what is your earliest memory

Denied the nipple. Last time he cried iirc.

<3

I don't know anything about nakh as a person and now feel bad about that comment :-/

def working off imago's homework

tv on the radio quote bobby mcferrin in one of their new songs

It's kinda rad

my earliest memory is of a cat having been run over

this memory is of turmoil and the absence of a cat

i think about it often but what i think of most frequently is the photograph of its remnants

this was taken surreptitiously by an older child in the family and i only saw it at maybe 7 or 8 years old

the absence memory and the secondary visual memory are unhappily sutured

this has been on my mind all of this week because of recent things wrt that other person

I saw a 40ish year old woman get hit by a Durango crossing the street an I think about it all of the time.

When I got out to help, a homeless man showed me his fresh bullet wound that he had tied a plastic bag around. He asked me for help (money), but I drove home and threw up.

thank you

an older child in the family

delicately phrased

the cat death element is not all that important

the context of the photograph's revelation and its purported more than actual shock value is what fixes it and preserves and lustres the primary memory

rife

wd like to think nakh is what happens when u take a child prodigy & further their education purely by exposing them to the world's each horror

my question is thus 'does anything shock u nowadays, and if not, what was the last thing that did'

I would say that at least half the wine I buy and drink reminds me of black pepper, why is that?

v good question, some of my faves do too

Do you drink a lot of syrah / shiraz

Malbecs and other heavy fruity grapes I guess

northern rhone syrahs are the wines canonically associated with black pepper. a lot of other southern french wines have it, either syrah heavy blends like some southern rhone wines (eg chateauneuf du pape), or other varietials like mourvedre and malbec with plenty of tannin and spice. sometimes these claims about x varietal having y aroma are a bit forced (bacon fat, forest floor, blood, etc etc). there are others where it is more direct/verifiable like gewurtztraminer/lychees which share the same compound, or sauvignon blanc with the 'cat piss' and gooseberry aromatics that derive from methoxypyrazines. some company got sued for dosing sauvignons with it artificially. suspect that the black pepper thing is similarly attributable to particular compounds because it is so widely reported.

argentine malbecs are some of the most classical/european of new world wines because they preserve the aromatic profile and add rather than substract 'elegance' 'complexity' etc. the best ones are more highly rated / expensive than the european originals (the 'black wine' from cahors in france) which is unusual. new world syrahs don't have the pepper quite as much because in australia/chile etc the high light intensity turns them into something more resembling vodka and blackcurrant smoothies (not in a bad way necessarily) but if you like black pepper, get something like a st joseph or cornas with lowish alcohol and it is very pronounced.

australia/chile etc the high light intensity turns them into something more resembling vodka and blackcurrant smoothies (not in a bad way necessarily)

of course, "not in a bad way," because that sounds p dope

a nakh on wine column would be a splendid read even though i don't drink.

what breed of dog would you pair with a sparkling nebbiolo?

lol

what vintage would u drink at a "WOC missing at least one limb who have been overtalked recently" only reading lineup

d that question might be better answered by gustavo arellanos's ¡ask a mexican! column, you should send it along.

im up for it

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nods

bought a Chilean malbec this evening thanks to this thread

nakh would like to know whether you were involved in the recent Charlton sex episode?

a nakh on wine column would be a splendid read even though i don't drink.

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this is something i could post more about if there is any interest

yes, by all means

the 'black wine' from cahors in france

love a good cahors.

zero interest, please do!

lol

a thread of adjectives you'd use to describe wines imo

Fresh tennis ball

opinions on Georgian wine

never tried it. the georgian varietal rkatseli was supposedly the most widely planted grape in the world during the soviet era and there is a site somewhere that sells soviet era georgian bordeaux type wines (maybe blended with local varieties) at relatively cheap prices for 30 yr old wine, no idea if it is any good. the last out-of-the-way wine i had was something called ixsir grande reserve from lebanon which was very good.

/rkatsiteli/

Popular CIS wines tend to be very sweet but saperavi ages well and can develop quite a lot of complexity. Anything sold as saperavi will be sweet but Mukuzani, which is often seen as the most prestigious red, is aged in oak longer and has a good, dry, smoky, red fruit vibe.

this is pretty academic for me but really enjoying the wine notes itt

same

xp there's a shop here sells saperavi, it's nice. I don't know that much about wine but I was very taken by the sales pitch and the fact they call it "living black wine". From what the dude in the shop says viniculture was basically invented in georgia but I have no idea whether that's actually true

can u get a white cis wine sv

there is a very long history of viticulture in asia minor, the caucusus and the levant and some ancient authochthonous grape varietals that haven't really travelled. the white version of chateau musar in lebanon is partly made out of obaideh which is thought to be a distant ancestor of chardonnay. mountainous and isolated areas in general tend to be good at retaining local varietals and realness is a useful sales pitch to have in a cluttered market.

http://i.imgur.com/sntGwux.jpg

nakh can I email u somehow

sure, the webmail link should work

The oldest winery archaeologists have found is in Areni, Armenia. That said, that's also where they found the world's oldest shoe and there's no guarantee they invented those as well. Wine / brandy is a huge part of both countries' national identities though. It's a shame most restaurants in Moscow serve bad French and Italian stuff instead - even some of the Georgian ones.

heartening to read that the student custom of drinking wine out of a shoe has such a long history

nah, of drinking wine and losing one shoe imo

archaeologists disagree
teach the controversy

nakh, have you ever had a wine from the central coast of california?

never bought one but probably have at some point, there is very little reason to buy american wine in this country because the import costs and pricing reflective of the domestic market make it uncompetitive and consequently very few retailers stock a good selection

california cabernet sauvignons and chardonnays are mostly not made in a style that sells well in this country when it is directly competing against bordeaux or white burgundy, and if people want a warmer climate style then higher end wines from south america or south africa are far better value

Gonzales, CA! That's near where I grew up

do you have any use for American roots music?

(i.e. country/blues/bluegrass/folk aimed at a popular audience, excluding highbrow/academic/esoteric stuff like John Fahey and Henry Flynt)

Do you play an instrument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64WBNa6Jl0w

nakh is this real or a parody

i dont think you need nakh for that

(ignoring disciplinary boundaries)

iyo have yr political views remained consistent, synchronically & diachronically?

have you ever felt politically conflicted, confused, uncertain; have yr political views undergone some significant reconsideration/ revision/ refinement/ complication/ alteration?

(btw wd not be offended if you skip this q)

they are not radically dissimilar to how they have ever been, in the sense of simple political economy, without ever having given much indication of caring publically about it there's no need for a sort of identarian agonizing

thoughts on political history or why politics are as they are, particularly in this country, changes quite a lot from time to time, not in a predictable way and not in the sense of radically altering normative concerns, this seems to me a useful sort of uncertainty

so corelli barnett doesn't invite interest in the selsdon group and someone like carl schmitt whose diagnosis of political forms/affects probably has been quite influential was himself a sort of sordid political idiot so in that sense it's quite distant from questions about what to do now

re music qns no background in music at all, re old american vernacular music i like a lot in some instances but don't have much knowledge of, i like the sort of old 78s ian posts youtubes of, alan lomax archive stuff.....modern country etc i know nothing about.....not following a lot of american music in general recently though

the slav squad thing looks pretty real, the top of the multistorey carpark setting looks to be a tribute to the 'ill manors' video by plan b, the first great mainstream protest song in years and an important influence on my lack of interest in british people emoting about politics

http://worldmusiccentral.org/wp-content/uploads/svetlanaspajicgroup2012-500.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wyqIqgt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fREXl49.jpg

Maybe Ask Sharivari what their vkontakte scene is called

nakh will you have been aware that there was guards called to the shooting of the Vincent Browne show this evening on foot of intimidation and homophobia from water protesters

deems la my irish knowledge is dreadful as you might have noticed

vaguely aware of the water protest thing but not interested enough to bother finding more about it

clearly there's enough water around to dilute to homoepathic levels the fluoride that should be keeping them compliant and docile

nb dayo there was an article in i think the new yorker or some other american publication a few weeks ago that mentioned this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26176692

http://i.imgur.com/EXOytZ0.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk_%281936%29.jpg

日本語: コーヒーと煙ブレーク中のムスタファ·ケマル·​​アタチュルク - 1936。
Deutsch: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, während der Kaffee-und Rauchpause - 1936.

kaffeezeit!

XD

wine question:

orthodox opinion as far as i know is that the best chilean wines are cabernet sauvignons from maipo and sauvignon blancs from casablanca, do you agree? if so what are some recommendations?

What is the best NME article u ever read

Wait is he back somewhere or are you just hoping he’ll reappear and answer

When do we pray, silby, why, and to whom

We need to build runways