Best album of my top 50 (WARNING: froggie self-indulgence)

La Dusseldorf - s/t

Glad you picked the right one

vote very much in character, yo

this is amazingly indulgent & i hope u feel ashamed btw even if heaps of these would crack my own top 50

Huh. I didn't realize you're JAMOOL.

altho u have reminded me to hear bgm which i am doing rn

TMBG's debut!

this is a tough call. i like that gentle giant album.

Be serious now

'music plans' did funny things to me

Future Days vs La Düsseldorf vs Remain in Light vs Vision Creation Newsun

i'd vote for tago mago in a lot of polls, and, uh, i'd really vote for it in this one.

Would've voted for Underworld if your choices had been Second Toughest and/or Beaucoup Fish instead of the debut I've never liked as much as everyone else and the terrible live album.

I wouldn't be able to split any of the Can, La Dusseldorf, Cluster, Neu and Faust albums because I worshipped them all in my youth. I decided to check out a name I was less familiar with and randomly ended up with Haruomi Hosono's N.D.E album and was pleasantly surprised/stunned by how beautiful and timeless it is.

0/50 albums made by black people

sorry i forgot to count the Police stealing reggae and Talking Heads stealing afrobeat

Also no Australians.

Would've voted for Underworld if your choices had been Second Toughest and/or Beaucoup Fish instead of the debut I've never liked as much as everyone else and the terrible live album.

― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Friday, September 6, 2013 8:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was thinking this same thing about the Kraftwerk choice. I cannot stand that live album. However this is a great list of random good stuff.

Ha yeah, froggy's VdGG choice is only my 3rd-favourite, maybe even 4th if we're counting The Silent Corner And The Empty Stage. But there's so much great music here I can't really quibble except at the indulgence of polling it (and I've done similar things myself). And where it *really* matters, he's picked the correct album

Why do German and Japanese bands never have any black members? (Except Can, one time.)

I am sure there are an equal amount of shit-heads who prefer Fela Kuti to Talking Heads or The Police to The Congos and so on. It isn't like a racist+ confirmation.

Soul Coughing?

Theres a thin line connecting all those acts except for the SC mentioning

Todd

devo.

simple as.

i cannot choose between Sowiesoso and ViCrNwSu

It isn't like a racist+ confirmation.

Especially considering that there are a tonne of non-white musicians up there anyway (not that it matters).

Skylarking.

Plus he owns Kurtis Blow and Afrika Bambaataa albums too!

tough poll!

*cough* no women either except Yoshimi

Greatest techno-pop album ever? One thing's for sure - this doesn't sound like anything released in 1981. This is the rare album that features three great musicians all peaking at the same time.

http://boosterstudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nult-business-card-front1.jpg

yeah hey if you want to suggest some good black or women artists that sound like this stuff please go ahead and do it. outside of some one-offs like Lightfoot or Soul Coughing pretty much every album on here was a result of an obsession with either Underworld, King Crimson, or YMO. this ain't Pitchfork

Which album is Nilmar referring to? Please advise!

Great list, btw

Kinks

Would've voted for Underworld if your choices had been Second Toughest and/or Beaucoup Fish instead of the debut I've never liked as much as everyone else and the terrible live album.

Second Toughest was very nearly up there, it's really quite flawless in its own right. I think I posted on this in a different thread, but IMO dubno is really a great intersection of electronica with New Wave and prog which explains why I've been so drawn to it. And the live album totally rules!

As for Minimum-Maximum all I can say is it blew me away on first listen and I still reach for it more than any of their studio LPs, I love the way everything sounds on it and was surprised to find out that a lot of people didn't really dig it.

this is amazingly indulgent & i hope u feel ashamed btw even if heaps of these would crack my own top 50

― ... Jenkinson ... ... ... ... ... ... Özil ... ... (imago), Friday, September 6, 2013 9:36 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark

you should make this because I am super curious

yeah hey if you want to suggest some good black or women artists that sound like this stuff please go ahead and do it.

I am concentrating at your list and I am guessing you'd be really, really, really into Ornette and Parliament

Village Green Preservation Society

i love this list frogbs, even if i don't quite grasp the concept.

meaning i don't know a lot of these but know they are amazing.

i like to celebrate lists rather than breaking them down. but my posts reflect that, hopefully already.

I'm wondering if u shd listen ti Meshell Ndegeocello, froggie

I'm guessing from yr posts in my most recent poll that Jonzun Crew prolley weren't too far from this...

My recommendation for frogs if u don't know it already: CYBOTRON - CLEAR

dubnobass is easily the best underworld

I am concentrating at your list and I am guessing you'd be really, really, really into Ornette and Parliament

I assume that that you're already familiar with fusion-era Miles and Herbie Hancock, frogbs?

Which album is Nilmar referring to? Please advise!

― softspool, Saturday, 7 September 2013 05:05 (6 hours ago)

that will have been a reference to

monoton -- monotonprodukt 07

the excised words were taken from frogbs' own rateyourmusic list and refer to the ymo album

Frogbs, do you like Kevin Blechdom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO6bq0bD5Jo

Cool list. Tons of stuff I still haven't heard yet (YMO in particular comes to mind). Was there anything released in the past decade that came close to making your top 50? Just curious.

numan, yes, feelies i listen to most.

kinks & xtc, too, but i think they had better records

than the ones listed here

Frogbs, could you give some kind of account of the order in which you first got into these records, to the extent that you can remember? Reading the list I think I can infer how your musical tastes evolved, but I may be completely wrong.
(Does it seem rude to ask a second question before there has been answer to the first? Obviously I'm aware you may have lots of better things to do so if answering these questions does not interest you then please don't feel under any pressure to give a response.)

I am concentrating at your list and I am guessing you'd be really, really, really into Ornette and Parliament

I assume that that you're already familiar with fusion-era Miles and Herbie Hancock, frogbs?

I do like Parliament a lot - the others I know of and have a few albums by (except Coleman) but in general that's a genre I don't really get and all these dudes have zillions of albums

I'm guessing from yr posts in my most recent poll that Jonzun Crew prolley weren't too far from this...

It would probably make my top 100! I really love a lot of that early hip-hop/electrodisco stuff but IMO most of the albums aren't so good all the way through, IMO Lost in Space is probably my favorite among them. I'm listening to Clear by Cybotron now (thanks Nick!) and wow, it's exactly the record I wish they had followed it up with!

Was there anything released in the past decade that came close to making your top 50? Just curious.

Its kind of hard to put something too recent on a list like this. but here are the ones that were close or might have made the list on a different day:
Dan Deacon - America (2012)
Sketch Show - Loophole (2004)
Datarock - Red (2009)
LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver (2007)
Janelle Monae - Archandroid (2011)
Andrew W.K. - Close Calls With Brick Walls (2007)
Rip Slyme - Epoch (2006)
Zammuto - s/t (2011)
Simon Bookish - Everything/Everything (2008)

A lot of all time faves of mine on here. Comes down to larks v wireless v sowiesoso v 75 v VCL v ege. Voted for Dolby cause it's just so rewarding and rich end to end. (If you had 75 + Sowiesoso = Deluxe on here that'd get my vote probably.)

You should hear ESG!

Simon Bookish - Everything/Everything (2008)

good one. wasn't trying to be all "you sexist, frogbs" but it was naturally my first reaction to say "where are the girlth" :)

I think a lot of prog guys have that blind spot, outside of Annie Haslam we don't have much

Art Bears? Zeena Parkins? maybe Slapp Happy? are u a Kate Bush fan? I know I'm missing some others... News From Babel, Catherine Ribeiro...

Thinking Plague!

Also U Totem! "One Nail Draws Another" is seriously one of my all-time favourite prog tracks.

Renaissance!

I love Annie Haslam and Renaissance so much!

I know I'm missing some others

Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin, maybe?

Curved Air, Jacula, Amon Duul, Henry Cow, Art Zoyd (Patricia Dallio has her own solo stuff too), Comus and probably many other folky prog bands had women in them. Lindsay Cooper was in quite a lot of bands.

Gong!

Oh, duh, Amon Duul.

Nina Hagen is not really prog, but nunsexmonkrock seems like it would be in keeping with the general tone of frogbs' list?

No Sea & Cake, frogbs?

COMUS. Yeah. I was gonna say Catherine Ribeiro and Art Bears but they're both I dunno kind of niche tastes, I buy those records cheap and listen to them alone

Wow, this is tough - you've got like 10-15 stone killers on this list.

Also I'll totally doing a me version of this poll

tago mago beats before and after science by a stretch.

No Sea & Cake, frogbs?

― Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc),

The Biz was one that almost made it

as for some of the others mentioned - I do love Renaissance a lot too, Ashes or Burning nearly made it on here as well. Art Bears I've tried and don't really like at all. Gong is something I'll probably be listening to a lot in the future. Comus I like though it's a real acquired taste, stuff like that and Trout Mask are definitely up my alley but I find myself not really listening to them a lot. Amon Duul - I dig Yeti and Wolf City a lot. Slapp Happy I think are neat though again not something I'd play a lot. Sadly I don't know a single thing by Kate Bush outside of Hounds of Love, big blind spot for me

You should hear ESG!

― i believe we can c.h.u.d. all night (Jon Lewis),

checkin' them out on youtube, like real dubbed out electro with half the instruments removed. pretty cool

which 5 of these should I hear then froggy

obv YMO has been listened to with wide-eyed wonder already

damn, this is difficult. could vote for any of these in good conscience:

Yellow Magic Orchestra - BGM
Denki Groove - VOXXX
Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun
La Dusseldorf - s/t
Autechre - LP5
Cluster - Sowiesoso

but going with VCN since it was one of those mind-blowing first listens that made me think, "I need more music like THIS in my life RIGHT NOW"

oh yeah, you should listen to some alice coltrane

I know I'm missing some others

flora purim!

I didn't go over it with a fine tooth comb, but is the Boredoms album the only overlap between this and the Moka list? Seems like an odd place to intersect. I should go back and listen to it again.

A lot of really great records here but I'm torn between Talking Heads and Todd Rundgren.

which 5 of these should I hear then froggy

that's very tough if since I assume you've heard most of these before. I feel your tastes run a little heavier and doomier than mine but I'll suggest the following:

Technique of Relief
Paraiso
Golden Age of Wireless
Snivilisation
The Pleasure Principle

skylarking, though there's a bunch on here i like almost as much

i like that the feelies are on here

ah cool, not really heard any of those. re: snivilisation, i adore both in sides and middle of nowhere but have never really tried with that one, so probably a safe bet

yeah snivilisation is a little more experimental, not quite as proggy as in sides but a very unique record. I've been listening to it for nearly a decade and there's still not much like it out there.

also forgot to include the Echolyn record. in fact that was my first idea because it's likely the only real prog record that you probably haven't heard. I'm going to up it on Friday for that prog/psych thread though.

Frogbs, could you give some kind of account of the order in which you first got into these records, to the extent that you can remember? Reading the list I think I can infer how your musical tastes evolved, but I may be completely wrong.

Well, my Dad was really into the Police, Devo, and ELP, so that was kind of my upbringing. actually it was my mailman who first told me about King Crimson. I bought "In the Court" (the only CD my local shop had) and from there discovered George Starostin's website. TBH I have a hard time reading it now but that was monumentally important in defining my musical tastes. That's how I found out about Genesis and Yes. Through Mark Prindle I really got into Sparks. Then later (thanks somewhat to this board) I started to learn that the "mediocre prog" bands that Starostin (and most of the WRC) would refer to like Van der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant were maybe better than the "classic" groups. But of course Close to the Edge and In the Court are basically unimpeachable.

As for the electro side - I loved Fatboy Slim as a teenager. Amazon.com led me to Underworld who have been one of my very favorites for a long, long time. And of course most of those guys are into Orbital. Much of the rest I discovered through YMO, which was a very lucky find. I think two of the Duran Duran guys did a comp that I got used which had a YMO track I really liked on it. Through that I found the site technopop.info which has information on a lot of great Japanese acts that aren't really written about in English. That's how I found out about Denki Groove (one of my very favorite electronic acts now) and P-Model, who I had heard before because Polysics had covered them. But at the time I had no idea just how expansive the P-Model discography really was.

For the rest...Gordon Lightfoot I loved from the outset, like 10 years ago I used to work at Burger King at we would ALWAYS play a Lightfoot Greatest Hits disc when we closed. Soul Coughing was kind of a friend of a friend thing, didn't think I'd top 50 them but Ruby Vroom has really hit me hard lately. TMBG are a similar story.

frogbs:

have you ever listened to "The Spirituality" by the Desert Fathers?

you might like it IMO

http://www.amazon.com/Spirituality-Desert-Fathers/dp/B0000C9JEW

"...and Talking Heads stealing afrobeat"

ha! 'afrobeat' is a derivative water downed porridge itself.

voted Talking Heads

ok, was tuff call between dolby and devo, but in the end, it has to be devo.

upper: this is pretty interesting. Dunno if it's something I'll listen to a lot but though. I hear a little Barnes & Barnes in there. Who were these guys?

really digging a Juan Atkins comp "Metropolis 1985", thanks for recommending that guy (another on the very long list of important musical artists that I have sadly never actually listened to)

and the terrible live album.

totally insane opinion

really digging a Juan Atkins comp "Metropolis 1985"

Is that the Model 500 stuff? Good stuff if so. Thought you might like the Cybotron as it's very Kraftwerky but also I think it's endearingly new wave and goofy in places.

cool list frogbs! a lot of my own faves are on here, along some new stuff that i'll have to check out. the thomas dolby pick is a good reminder - i always see it in my local record store for $3 and i don't know why i haven't picked it up yet, because i'm a huge fan of the earlier numan, devo, buggles stuff. i haven't heard anything by Susumu Hirasawa, so i'll give him a listen soon.

q: I am concentrating at your list and I am guessing you'd be really, really, really into Ornette and Parliament

q: I assume that that you're already familiar with fusion-era Miles and Herbie Hancock, frogbs?

a: I do like Parliament a lot - the others I know of and have a few albums by (except Coleman) but in general that's a genre I don't really get and all these dudes have zillions of albums

kind of an obvious thing to say, but have you heard Bitches Brew yet? it's easy to get lost in the miles davis catalog but if you're looking for an entry point it's a fine album to sink yourself into for a few months.

Is that the Model 500 stuff? Good stuff if so. Thought you might like the Cybotron as it's very Kraftwerky but also I think it's endearingly new wave and goofy in places.

I got it wrong - it's this: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/juan_atkins/20_years_1985___2005/
I'm not too familiar with Atkins obviously but I think this covers most of it. When I heard that DaM-Funk had a 2+ hour album coming this was exactly the sound I was hoping for. Dunno what the essentials are outside of this

Godbluff

kind of an obvious thing to say, but have you heard Bitches Brew yet? it's easy to get lost in the miles davis catalog but if you're looking for an entry point it's a fine album to sink yourself into for a few months.

it's one I keep reminding myself to come back to. I bought the CD like 6 years ago, didn't really get into it, and kinda forgot about it, but it's always been in my mind as the sort of album I might come back to and really enjoy later (like I did with Soft Machine's Third)

the thomas dolby pick is a good reminder - i always see it in my local record store for $3 and i don't know why i haven't picked it up yet, because i'm a huge fan of the earlier numan, devo, buggles stuff. i haven't heard anything by Susumu Hirasawa, so i'll give him a listen soon.

I really love the 2009 edition which restores the original tracklisting and has some incredible bonus tracks. Chances are a $3 copy wouldn't be that but the "other" tracklisting (which begins with "Science") is about as good.

As for Hirasawa, I can't recommend him enough - this isn't on any of the albums listed, but if I had to express why the dude is awesome in about 3 minutes I'd use this:

http://www.youtube.com/v/2MaYy2Spctg&fs=1&hl=en

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Is this some sort of canon thing where none of your favorite 50 are really less than a decade old?

pretty sure i voted twice. is that possible?

mh - I already answered something about this above, I think it just kinda wound up that way rather than by design. Also I don't really know who the good modern artists really are.

I didn't go over it with a fine tooth comb, but is the Boredoms album the only overlap between this and the Moka list? Seems like an odd place to intersect. I should go back and listen to it again.

― dlp9001, domingo 8 de septiembre de 2013 16:06 (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

At the time of posting my only list was that fom the 90s in which the Boredoms record was in fact the only overlapping album... Frogbs list is heavy on the 70s. ILM had a great century poll in which Boredoms made te top 50 albums of the century iirc. I have already posted my 60s and 70s picks in which frogbs and me overlap in the following albums: Can, King Crimson, Sparks, Devo and Kinks. Out of all of these I'm voting for Ege Bamyasi because it's one of my top 10 desert island records.

I don't know how to recommend that Boredoms record. For me it was a right place, right time sort of thing.

devo. bunch of stuff vying for the #2 slot: tago mago, super ae, before & after science, remain in light.

some interesting choices, though strikingly short on emotional/hormonal/physical vigor when taken as a whole.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

wow, the New Wave stuff did way better. I wasn't even sure whether or not to include Remain in Light in the first place. It does make me smile to see some of the stuff that got votes though. Who voted for Echolyn? Is there a member of Echolyn on ILX?

SOME NEW STUFF...I decided that Max Tundra's 2008 album deserves a spot easily, plus this EXCELLENT Indian pop album called "Colonial Cousins" which ISNT ON RYM!! But I write about it here!!!

Max Tundra teeters on the edge of greatness without necessarily toppling imo, although his contribution to The Exquisite Corpse Game was pretty much a career highlight, so his next record might be The One. If that album was all as good as Orphaned and Until We Die...

Also sorry dude but these results just emphasise how much I loathe Talking Heads

Always surprised by how highly people rate that album

(I like THeads btw)

Well it's the most well-known out of all of those so I'm not surprised. I almost booted it off the list b/c I don't really listen to it much but every time I do I gotta say I'm really impressed by it.

The Max Tundra album has a lot of excellent cuts on it, especially Which Song which may be my favorite single of the decade. Only track that rubs me the wrong way is the opener which I find rather dull. I too think that his next album will probably be his best one, but I wonder at this point if we'll ever see it...

Which Song is gr8 as well yeah. Was fkn hilarious when Will Get Fooled Again wound up in the EOY trax countdown and yr usual lot listened in horror

max tundra is still the worst shit out there. a remarkable long career of shit.

listening to Which Song over and over is what convinced me I had to include it here. it's one of those songs that fully explains why he takes 6 years between albums. I thought it was awesome when he appeared on the Exquisite Corpse Game, even if his sound palette is remarkably different than everyone else on there it's pretty clear that he's cut from the same cloth (and seems to attract the same type of fans)

well yeah if there's a man who will spend 1 week perfecting 10 seconds of music it's this bro

frogbs, you may enjoy this guy, he is from the same scene that MT sprung from.

http://thegasman.bandcamp.com/

yeah the "13" album is floating my boat so far

I looked for Frogbs on the Fleetwood Mac - Tusk thread. He isn't there.
I looked Tusk on this thread. It isn't there.

Did you rave about that album elsewhere because I could have swore your enthusiasm convinced me to buy it?

hah, no, definitely not me! maybe it's time?

Yeah it's a great album.

THIS THREAD DOESNT SEEM SO STUPID NOW DOES IT!???

I mean I'd do mine but I don't want a Spirit Of Eden walkover, which is what it would be

Don't tempt me.

frogs, no thread ever posted on ilx has ever been stupid; save for the ones posted by me, but that's usually kinda the point whenever i start one.

ooh ooh, maybe i should poll my most hated albums ever!

Do

it

!

i'd have to put some serious thought into that. i'm sure coming up with a top 50 or whatever would be easy, just have to set aside the time to do it.

this was fun, should I do it again? :)

Soul Coughing, that's a band I don't see mentioned on here, like, ever.

Would have voted future days, or maybe ITKOTKC (nearly went on mine)

You already know my opinion on doing it again

there would be a lot more ILX fodder this time around I think

suggest ban if u voted for the kinks over boredoms, magma, cluster, ruins, etc.