"UK GARAGE, MY ARSE!" '50 Ways The Alternative Nation is Fighting Back' 13th anniversary POLL

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/mag/mmbtdib0010.jpg

i wonder if noodle vagues radar is working

It's hard to believe even now how shitty melody maker was in its last few years.

43. THE YO-YO’S ROCK AND ROLL HEDONISM- The other McCormack brother flies the flag.

wtf is this

48. BLINK 182 RIPPING THE PISS OUT OF BOY BANDS IN THEIR VIDEOS- Hilarious vids, cool guys, brilliant music.

This is extraordinary stuff, it really is.

There was an ILM thread about this issue:

MM asks: "Should UK Garage be outlawed?"

Are we voting for thing we actually like or most laughable thing? Surprisingly, there are a few of the former in this list. Unsurprisingly, a lot of the latter.

Vote how your heart tells you to.

jj72 got in the charts?

They got to no.21 in 2001! Heady days.

'The Lamacq of record labels' probably is a fairly accurate way of describing Fierce Panda.

I'm completely paralysed by this list. Everything about it is brilliant.

17 FIERCE PANDA- The Lamacq of record labels, peerless A&R, indie brilliance.

lolol how could "The Lamacq of record labels" be a compliment?

Did they just release essex 3 piece pop punk bands?

haha xp

the more you read all the individual blurbs the more they all feel like display names

stated my preference but have not yet cast my vote fyi

i wonder if noodle vagues radar is working

considering i nearly facebook statused "Give me UKG or give me death" last night this was quite astute

23. TOPLOADER ON THE ROAD- Joe and the lads taking rock’n’roll chaos to the streets.

where is the Alternative Nation and can we nuke it?

it went bust xmas 2000

Ultimately I can never turn down an opportunity to vote for King Adora.

KING ADORA?

Mencap otm

hang on, THE WEIRDNESS OF 'KID A' sounds like a 70s Peter Sellers flick

Will never not vote Toploader in an ILM poll.

dear god

the king adora cover issue of MM was the first magazine I ever bought. Must have been...8?9? Heady days.

*first music magazine

there's something sweet about this broad coalition of trad beat music they tried to build, knowing that within less than a year the Alternative Nation wd savagely purge Coldplay, Travis and Toploader in a series of show trials

Bobby G making politics sexy

sorry, just noticed this one

looking for this issue online brought up this gem
http://www.angelfire.com/nd/kawaii/mansun.html

The guy impersonating Craig David on the john has a website here:

http://about.me/alistermorgan

Dear Sir...

9th August
10 days til V2000 exactly.
Also, it's wednesday so there's the whole NME/MM saga, but this week it is definitly both. Gig reviews and album reviews in both, but if you're the sort of person that can't cope with bad reviews get MM. DIE WELLS DIE IN PAIN!

prescient stuff

what the shit is this

jesus no wonder i rejected the UK music press wholesale when i was growing up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3PIIyFxCog&list=TLUNvtkjn1SLGn_Tx49vI_cq4hhbYBtRDQ

Chris Bicknell 1 year ago

My favourite band of all time. As much as I like Oasis, Blur, KUla Shaker etc etc Mansun were the GREATEST band of the nineties.

I quite liked Mansun but lol at that

jesus no wonder i rejected the UK music press wholesale when i was growing up

― lex pretend,

Lex what is really sad is that up until britpop MM was GREAT

well, white supremacist in a different way, anyhow

http://i.imgur.com/3bZUVt6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4CWyB3r.jpg

and not long after the final issue came
http://i.imgur.com/gAT4Eit.jpg

well, white supremacist in a different way, anyhow

― You don’t get that at your local UK Garage club (Noodle Vague),

http://everything2.com/title/Melody+Maker

OMG how have I never seen this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeGA7sA8HDw

NAPSTER- Music for free! Nuff said

This list is giving me so much joy.

That CD makes The Alternative Nation look like the Steve Lamacq of Neo-Nazi parties.

is that even more unforgivable than a fascist salute?

xxps

have to go with number 8 here. unless we're voting 'funniest' rather than actual best thing in the list.

"best thing"

THE CARLING WEEKEND READING AND LEEDS- The best festival ever

Hahahahahahaha

Incredible thread.

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did this list seem as weird at the time? i've no recollection of seeing it. i'd bought every issue from about 1990 until 97ish when things got sketchy. the whole transforming-it-into-a-mag-to-look-more-like-Kerrang idea was insanity clearly. are the people who had that idea still in work? where had they come from when they took the paper over? and where did they go? i think we should be told.

and where did they go?

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This was my youth. My youth was rubbish.

Actually good things: Chemikal Underground, errr Wichita and the stoner rock revival had some OK moments I guess, I was going to say At the Drive-In's hair but white 00s indie kids' preoccupation with said hair was pretty questionable, uh...

Bobby G making politics sexy.

Didn't work for his dad in 1988

You look back over this and realise quite why the music press wet themselves so much over the Strokes.

I know a lot of good people lost their jobs but it really isn't surprising IPC euthanised this shit if this was the best they could come up with.

This was roughly the same era when the NME were telling us that Tiger and Terris were going to rule the world.

This list is like a mixtape covered in glittery nail varnish stamping on a human face forever.

Actual best = stoner rock probably or maybe Napster
Funniest = King Adora or the Dum Dums.

Voting King Adora.

34. MOSHING/CROWD-SURFING/LIVE CHAOS- You don’t get that at your local UK Garage club.

I'm just popping over to my local UK Garage club if anyone wants anything.

tbh it's completely understandable that a weekly music publication pitched at young-ish readers shd need to form a constituency and to define itself partly with a spurious oppositional stance.

what's odd/sad/funny about the last days of MM and the NME is

a) the constituency was shattering so fast and so far apart that this attempt to cobble together an Alt Nation looks archaic and hilarious already - Toploader and undie Hip Hop? yum yum, two great tastes etc

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

c) in short: so desperate, so pathetic, and the shoutiness cranks up to cover this the more desperate it gets. this is Hip Teacher cobblers of the worst order

42. XFM- It’s getting better and better. But we’re still keeping an eye on you…

cheeseburger, I'd like some moshing and some live chaos please- OH WAIT

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

This is the thing. I never read Kerrang! regularly but it never seemed to patronise its audience in quite the same way.

That said IPC did deliberately try and lower the age of MM's readership to differentiate from the NME, from what I can remember it was disastrous.

BADLY DRAWN BOY’S ‘THE HOUR OF THE BEWILDERBEAST’ WINNING MERCURY MUSIC PRIZE- The triumph of intelligence, talent, individualty! And, lest we forget, that woollen hat too! Gawd bless yer, Damon.

Hey, I can feel myself getting younger, demographically, even looking at 38.

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

I was 15 when this came out and this is very, very OTM.
I think I was genuinely indignant about this stuff at the time, but I can't help feeling a sort of nostalgic affection at this point, even for the Dum Dums.

"get hard’n’heavy on our asses" is way too overlooked itt.

I remember that around this time they published a Mark Sutherland penned five star review of Limp Bizkit's 'Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water' that was even more desperate/pathetic/shouty, but it doesn't seem to be online.
From memory there was a section that went something like: "the next track is 'My Generation'- no, not a cover of the Who classic, but likely to have the same incendiary impact that song had in 1965, except without the 'why don't you all f-f-fade away' cop out, of course. Nah, in 2013 Durst tells it like it is: 'we don't, we don't give a fuck and we won't, we won't give a fuck until, you, you give a fuck about me, and my generation'. Maiden aunts are politely requested to leave the room."

also, "hard’n’heavy on our asses" vs. "UK GARAGE, MY ARSE!". I don't know much about journalism, but editorially, shouldn't they have been aiming for consistency between spellings?

mark s, you're not Mark Sutherland, are you?
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I feel another spasm building.
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^^^apparently asked in earnest

hahaha

50. YOU LOT

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Time_youcover01.jpg

Anyone want to explain 36. THE CROCKETTS’ ARMY BUS ?

not a cover of the Who classic, but likely to have the same incendiary impact that song had in 1965, except without the 'why don't you all f-f-fade away' cop out, of course. Nah, in 2013 Durst tells it like it is: 'we don't, we don't give a fuck and we won't, we won't give a fuck until, you, you give a fuck about me, and my generation'

Thinking about it, as this was 2000 Melody Maker it would have actually been 'we don't, we don't give a f*** and we won't, we won't give a f*** until, you, you give a f*** about me, and my generation'.

had to star it to protect your maiden aunt

tbh it's completely understandable that a weekly music publication pitched at young-ish readers shd need to form a constituency and to define itself partly with a spurious oppositional stance.

was thinking about this the evening before last while waiting for a train iirc - can't really think of a solid example of the newsstand music press trying to do this since then. the NME (Kerrang too I think) has had various punchbag bands that have arisen because they've become uncool and/or they've had some pissy argument with them, but nothing that really comes close to having ~wider cultural implications~ or whatever. I guess because they increasingly need to hedge their bets as much as possible and not alienate large swathes of a would-be readership, also maybe cos kids don't define their music taste by genre as much as they used to (ymmv)

I think it was not too long after this that the NME published it's 'Moshers v Scallies' piece? I think there was an extent to which this was tapping into a real 'thing', in the worst possible, cack-handed way of course.
Some Mosher v Scally stuff written by people who weren't in their 30s can be found here, though it's from about 5 years after the Maker folded:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mosher

Moshers: feel no need to justify themselves to others,generally loving and friendly but have a tendancy to hate chavs and townies(can ya blame em?), wear the clothes they want 2 wear, not what others percieve as fashion or "cool", like badges alot. listen to a mixture of punk,rock and metal. as they name suggests they mosh to their music and have mosh pits at concerts (dnt get involved unless u r prepared to get injured). in short moshers are the coolest people on earth and i am honord to be friends with them.
mosher 1:*hug* hey wat r u listening 2
mosher 2: slipknot, want an ear?
*listens 2 mp3 player*mosh*get dirty look from a chav*
mosher 1: god i hate chavs
mosher 2: my neck is killing me *rubs neck*shrugs*moshes more*

don't remember 'moshers v scallies' at all. google brings up two results, respectively from thelibertines.org and an ILM thread with three posts

i remember the discussion a lot on ch4 teletext except it was townies (or neds from scottish readers) vs moshers not chavs as it wasn't in usage then.

didn't conor mcnicholas post on ilm once?

We had trendies vs casuals, with similar meanings (except trendies were a bit more indie than moshers). Granted this was about twelve years before the article.

Haha no, my bad. About two years before. Time is becoming hazy.

i remember in the 80s casuals loved the who and pink floyd. then madchester and rave came along.

The Minds, man

only knob ends liked simple minds!

what did the hardmen in schools listen to in the 70s?

grebos vs ravers at my school (music taste played a huge part of how you were defined and what groups of friends you belonged to when i was growing up. hated it, but often yielded to peer pressure)

neither side were grebos or ravers btw.

People at your school actually self-identified as 'grebos'?

no it's what each side called each other.

i think it was deliberately inaccurate. the ravers weren't into raving/dance music (necessarily - mostly listened to chart pop and r'n'b) and the grebos, well, this was some time after New Model Army

The lines were blurred in sixth form when loads of the trendies started getting into ecstasy and dance music.

I thought New Model Army was more crusty than grebo?

i had friends who went to one of the local schools here in the early 90s and according to them at the time it was split between 2 groups: the beautiful people & rockers (who were generally metallers/grungers.) One assumes indie fans were the latter too.

my cousins 17 yr old girl says at her school there's 'rock fans' (which can be Arctic Monkeys to Nirvana) and 'pop fans'.

Yeah, the Grebos listened to anything from Blur to Sepultura, but even Underworld (IIRC) were treated with caution, at least until late GCSEs. For some reason the Ravers thought all the Grebos listened to was Bon Jovi, but that might have been another deliberate misunderstanding designed to annoy them.

I can honestly sayI never ever heard anyone called a grebo up here. Not even the huge group of Hawkwind fans that were a year or 2 older than I was.

I also bet every school here had different terms tan other schools in the area. Terribly parochial up here.

omg look at the CD that came with it

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-To-Do-It-Better/release/2665202

UTTER HORROR

xpost yeh it changed from region to region. i know neighbouring schools used the same terms, but go further out and it was all change.

Poll? One Armed Scissor would walk. Didn't even like it that much even then.

i loved atdi. still do

the qotsa is my fave qotsa song though!

omg look at the CD that came with it

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Born-To-Do-It-Better/release/2665202

UTTER HORROR

I like the Lauren Laverne song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWcPGeKjko

lex am I wrong in thinking you thought qotsa were ok once? I think you liked Mark Lanegan?

i don't mind QOTSA (without ever really seeking out their stuff), i'm guessing if forced to choose that would be mine, though i've never heard that specific song

All of those tracks are on youtube with the exception of the My Vitriol and Wilt songs which are both on spotify. I listened to the whole thing for the first time last night.

don't remember reading melody maker at all

there is some awful trash here but i still like a few things

kid a was the best radiohead lp by a furlong and suggestive of musical worlds beyond indie and all of that

primal scream's ~political~ paratext circa y2k seemed thrilingly risible as a 15 yr old and xtrmntr was miraculous ('mbv arkestra' on a #3 album being almost as implausible as to here knows when charting) and a few of my friends became obsessed with it, they were excellent in concert too

saw asian dub foundation and i think atdi around then

jj72 is the only thing i have a residual fondness for even though i would surely find them enervating in the extreme if i had to sit through an lp today

old ilm had the hots for lauren laverne. So much so that DG made a memorable post about how it didn't matter how much ilx posters said they liked Kenickie they were never going to get to fuck her.

this is missing IDLEWILD who were the platonic indie not-quite-feebs of y2k

and muse

they were awful in 2000

btw i want to add that Pitchshifter were terrible by this point in 2000. I even sold my old cds in disgust LOL

of course they were awful but so was idlewild and pretty much everything on this list.

technically they got even worse and lord knows how bad they must be now but in 2000 they were abominable

idlewild's 2000 lp wasn't too bad, they were still ripping off fugazi or husker du at this point

they got a lot worse

the delgados must have reached a peak of respectability around 2000 too

whatever happened to Terris?

the absolute worst uk thing on this list is probably king adora

i started uni in this era and just remember thinking about how terrible the music people were listening to was. most students either listened to gomez and idlewild or terrible Ibiza trance. coming from a very progressive sixth form college it was a very disappointing culture to be absorbed into.

I remember the NME being fairly pro-UKG around this time, positively reviewing a load of stuff, putting So Solid and Craig David on the cover etc. Then again it was trance and superclub house they declared war on.

Amazing how irreleveant most of this stuff turned out to be. I have fond memories of this thread though:

A Hundred Reasons why Hundred Reasons are shite

Especially when one of the band turned up all butthurt.

Relationship of Command is still a massive album. I still play ADF's Community Music now and then, though that was perhaps a bit later?

was king adora the same thing as queen adreena or did they have nothing to do with each other?

I do not remember the Yo-Yo's at all

King Adora were from Birmingham and had a very rabid under 16 female fanbasewho usually liked Rachel Stamp too.

I still quite like king adora

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LQJUihrBso

super furry animals were also resident indie feeb hierarchs 1997-2003 or whatever

every 'respectable' indie band of that time lived in their shadow

1st couple of SFA albums were great and they were really good live. After those albums they weren't as good.

Grandaddy were popular too. I miss them.

i think i saw grandaddy in 2000
'the crystal lake' was nice

http://www.forum.scallycentral.com/viewtopic.php?p=14398&sid=2fec6801e116574cf66ffb38b3771e9c

i actually saw grandaddy early on in their career supporting sfa

MOSHER GIRL!!! wrote:
ha wrote:
,don't pretend that you don't get scared when you see a group of scallys, i witness this all the time, moshers walkin past scallys and the mosher always seems 2 a)cross the road or b) s h i t themselves..

No i dont think so... obviously you dont go 2 liverpool very often... moshers fight back.... A gang of scalls ran from everyone in liverpool onto a bus and called the police... we wouldnt let them go we stood in front of the bus smashed windows, fucked up the drivers engine ran on the bus n kicked the shit out of them so watch out we arent all little wimps!!!

Wow I think I saw that :shock:

Cool well if you did see it... it was such a good day he he!!!!!!!!!
well it isnt all good any more some scallies have guns now and they tried to shoot my friend :) the nobheads!!! but no problems i can safely say my gun should be shipping soon... well i hope anyway!!

I do not remember the Yo-Yo's at all

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they were a Wildhearts spinoff! they were also my first paid review for a national music publication

members of Honeycrack?

Voted Kelis for somehow slipping through the MM's black music filter. I was obsessed with her when Kaleidoscope came out.

The rest is either horrible or good but described in a horrible way.

my recollection is that chart trance got treated quite kindly by the NME circa the millennium, in a popist sort of way

xp can't recall who the singer was but it was one of that crowd. Danny McCormack possibly, he said without looking it up as he was about to go home

Grandaddy were very good. It wasn't ALL awful, I just remember listening to a lot of old records and experimental electronica at the time like a god-awful shut in

All i can say that w/r/t MM/NME of the time THANK FUCK FOR NAPSTER and being able to expand my horizons in the way I wanted to. No more struggling or failing to find the records I read about elsewhere and wanted to hear. Also fuck MM for loving that awful Suede album Head Music and making me buy it and fuck MM for Catatonia AOY

btw this magazine cover/list is all over twitter today and not just ilxors

Danny McCormack was bassist in The Wildhearts so I guess The Yo-Yos were his brother's band?

Actually 2000 had a lot of good to great albums: Kelis, Grandaddy, Outkast, Primal Scream, Sigur Ros, Radiohead, QOTSA, Black Box Recorder, David Holmes, Ghostface, Lambchop, Eminem, Godspeed, PJ Harvey, etc. Yet it felt like a slump anyway.

some OK stuff in this list http://tinyurl.com/pv7b4qg
but the avalanches were terrible

RUN!

Why were they so excited about a solo career from a member of Three Colours Red in 2000?

Even at the time it was obvious that this was an atrocious period for guitar pop.

I never got why the NME/MM took the side of 3 Colours Red over The WIldhearts.

They were exactly the same.

no they weren't

ruh roh Matt

Melody Maker End Of Year Critic Lists - 2000

Albums

1. Eminem – The Marshall Mathers LP
2. Coldplay – Parachutes
3. Badly Drawn Boy – The Hour Of The Bewilderbeast
4. Primal Scream – Exterminator
5. Radiohead – Kid A
6. Manson – Little Kix
7. Pj Harvey – Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea
8. Elastica – The Menace
9. Limp Bizkit – Chocolate Starfish
10. JJ72 – JJ72
11. Doves – Lost Souls
12. Granddaddy – The Sophtware Slump
13. Idlewild – 100 Broken Windows
14. Embrace – Drawn From Memory
15. At The Drive-In – Relationship Of Command
16. …And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead – Madonna
17. The Dandy Warhols – Thirteen Tales From Urban Bohemia
18. Queens Of The Stone Age – Rated R
19. Teenage Fanclub – Howdy!
20. Belle And Sebastian – Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant
21. Fatboy Slim – Halfway Between The Gutter And The Stars
22. Sigur Ros – Agaetis Byrjun
23. The Delgados – The Great Eastern
24. Super Furry Animals – Mwng
25. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life
26. The Webb Brothers – Maroon
27. Placebo – Black Market Music
28. Yo La Tengo – And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out
29. The Offspring – Conspiracy Of One
30. Lambchop – Nixon
31. Eels – Daisies Of The Galaxy
32. Marilyn Manson – Holywood….
33. Roni Size Reprazent – In The Mode
34. Baby Bird – Bugged
35. Madonna – Music
36. Daphne And Celeste – We Didn’t Say That
37. Asian Dub Foundation – Community Music
38. Six By Seven – The Closer You Get
39. Oasis – Standing On The Shoulders Of Giants
40. Brassy – Got It Made
41. Crashland – Glued
42. Cypress Hill – Skull And Bones
43. Kylie Minogue – Light Years
44. Soulwax – Much Againset Everyone’s Advice
45. The Vandals – Look What I Almost Stepped In
46. Sleater-Kinney – All Hands On The Bad One
47. The Go-Betweens – The Friends Of Rachael Worth
48. Nofx – Pump Up The Valuum
49. Green Day – Warning
50. Deftones – White Pony

Singles

1. Spiller – Groovejet
2. Eminem – Stan
3. Coldplay – Yellow
4. The Bloodhound Gang – The Bad Touch
5. Eminem – The Real Slim Shady
6. Primal Scream – Accelerator
7. Limp Bizkit – Take A Look Around
8. Mint Royal – Don’t Falter
9. Queens Of The Stone Age – Feelgood Hit Of The Summer
10. Blink 182 – All The Small Things
11. Sisqo – Thong Song
12. Eminem – The Way I Am
13. Death In Vegas – Aisha
14. Daphne And Celeste – Ugly
15. Manson – I Can Only Disappoint U
16. Doves – The Cedar Room
17. Black Box Recorder – The Facts Of Life
18. Manic Street Preachers – Masses Against The Classes
19. Primal Scream – Kill All Hippies
20. Blur – Music Is My Radar
21. Belle And Sebastian – Legal Man
22. Idlewild – Actually It’s Darkness
23. The Offspring – Original Prankster
24. At The Drive-In – One Armed Scissor
25. Madonna – Music
26. PJ Harvey – Good Fortune
27. Cypress Hill – Rock Superstar
28. All Saints – Pure Shores
29. JJ72 – October Swimmer
30. Coldplay – Trouble
31. Sugarbabes – Overload
32. Daphne & Celeste – Ooh Stick You
33. Limp Bizkit – My Generation
34. Placebo – Slave To The Wage
35. Queens Of The Stone Age – The Lost Art Of Keeping A Secret
36. Fatboy Slim – Sunset [Bird Of Prey]
37. Kylie Minogue – Spinning Around
38. Dr Dre – Still Dre
39. Moloko – The Time Is Now
40. King Adora – Bionic
41. Travis – Coming Around
42. Dr Dre – Forget About Dre
43. Babybird – Out Of Sight
44. Idlewild – Those Wooden Ideas
45. Doves – Catch The Sun
46. Britney Spears – Oops!! She Did It Again!
47. Muse – Muscle Museum
48. The Dandy Warhols – Bohemian Like You
49. Outkast – Bob
50. Oasis – Go Let It Out

MM did like Idlewild in 2000 nakh.

Genuine lol at the Thong Song at #11 there. Way to fight back dudes.

loving dog latin's trollingly misunderstanding schoolkids

annoyed to discover that that Laverne solo track actually appeared on a CD, and that it was this

b) when i was a hipster teen reading the music press i felt like i was sitting in at the grown-ups table. obv there's a lot of subjectivity here but its hard to believe that kids reading crap like this didn't feel pandered to

this was punishingly obvious at the time, the desperation of Sutherland* feeling out of touch and constantly trying to second-guess what a non-existent amorphous group comprising The Kids would be into, and suck up to them in advance. terrified of their own aging and irrelevance.

*DYS

xpost Did a piece about Sub Pop recently, and Steve Turner of Mudhoney cited the YoYos to exemplify all that was wrong with late-90s Sub Pop.

From my pov this is definitely the time I stopped reading the music press. Obviously there were other factors at play - the Internet, the fact I was over 18 etc - but until then I remember mags like select, mm, nme being genuinely fun to read. Select became dreadful in this era too - endless irrelevant Oasis front covers, it wasn't the same. I felt like I was being SOLD to for the first time. Maybe I was just older and wiser or maybe the music press just went shit. Or both, who knows..

this is probably the most amazing list i've ever read

Less Than Jake and a host of punk heroes do it for the kids. Take note, Placebo et al!

15. CHRIS McCORMACK - He’s back! Grand Theft Audio thankfully great, former 3 Colours Red hero Chris as barmy as ever.

man i was worried he wasn't as barmy as he used to be

i stopped reading the weekly music press the week my first child arrived in the world at the end of 96 (louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond).
hence i had no idea re this era of MM.
clearly i didn't miss much .

(louise werner was on the cover of the nme - felt that it was a good time to break the bond)

I remember an amazing MM issue with Wener on the cover, and three ALMOST-IDENTICAL photos of her side-by-side on the center spread, with the same hand on hips pose and light-on-gorm mouth open, just with a minutely different cast of the hips.

Obviously the photo editor was aghast at her uselessness as a subject and decided to make a subtle silent protest

8. LONDON'S TRASH CLUB- Revitalising indie clubs with style and eclecticism.

was that simon price?

Price was Stay Beautiful. I went to that once.

Grandaddy were my favourite band c.2000 + I really liked Black Box Recorder but I also owned the Brassy album.

IIRC Trash was Erol Alkan and was all electroclash + Kate Moss + 'sleazy glamour'; Stay Beautiful I don't really remember what it's 'thing' was but probably all Manics + Bowie + really obvious token northern soul record once an hour.

There's not a whole lot of Stay Beautiful/post-romo/Placebo type stuff on this list with the exception of King Adora.

Hadn't Simon Price left MM under a cloud not long before this?

Stay Beautiful #1 took place on Wed 10 Jan 2001 according to the Stay Beautiful website.

I guess ‘LITTLE KIX’ is another example of this sort of stuff that made it onto the list.

Hadn't Simon Price left MM under a cloud not long before this?

He tweeted earlier

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

Basically, MM 2000: "Enough of these black people, with their exciting and futuristic pop! We must fight back with Toploader and Travis!"

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

I left Melody Maker in 1997, with the escape route of a contract to write a Manics book. Looking at that list, I couldn't be more grateful.

Simon Price ‏@simon_price01 3h

Some of the things on that MM list are genuinely great, and don't deserve to be tarnished by association with Mark's Kampf. But the rest...

THE MUSIC WE PLAY

WE PLAY: DIRTY SLEAZY GLAM AND GLITTER ROCK // ANGSTY BOY-MUSIC AND SHOUTY GRRL-MUSIC // HI-VOLTAGE ELECTRO AND FUCKED-UP DISCO // '77 PUNK AND ALTERNATIVE ANTHEMS // …AND A FLASH DASH OF POP TRASH
Not a lot of black people on the Stay Beautiful playlist either, to be honest:

by which we mean things like...

Adam And The Ants * Babes In Toyland * Bikini Kill * Blondie * David Bowie * Kate Bush* Buzzcocks * The Cramps * The Cure * Daisy Chainsaw * The Damned * Dead Or Alive * Dresden Dolls * Duran Duran * Fischerspooner * Gogol Bordello * Goldfrapp * The Gossip * Guns N' fckn' Roses * Hedwig And The Angry Inch * Hole * Horrorpops * Huggy Bear * IAMX * Iggy Pop * Interpol * Jack Off Jill * Joan Jett * Joy Division * Kenickie * King Adora * Kiss * Kylie * Lady Gaga * Ladytron * Le Tigre * Manic Street Preachers * Marilyn Manson * Mansun * Mindless Self Indulgence * Minty * Motley Crue * New York Dolls * Nine Inch Nails * Party Monster * Peaches * Pink Grease * Pixies * Placebo * Prince * Public Image Ltd * Pulp * Queen Adreena * Rachel Stamp * Ramones * Robots In Disguise * The Rolling Stones * Roxy Music * The Runaways * Shangri-La’s * Sex Pistols * Shampoo * Siouxsie And The Banshees * Patti Smith * The Smiths * Soft Cell * Sparks * Gwen Stefani * The Stooges * Suede * The Sweet * T. Rex * T.A.T.U. * Velvet Goldmine * Patrick Wolf * Yeah Yeah Yeahs * X-Ray Spex, etc (you get the idea)

I like Simon Price though, if the 2000 era Melody Maker had chosen to base itself on that canon I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

instead it covered nu-metal

Not a lot of black people on the Stay Beautiful playlist either, to be honest:

I regretted writing that as soon as I posted it, it seems like such a crass thing to say. It just seemed odd that Price was complaining about the Sutherland era MM/that list not covering black artists when the Stay Beautiful playlist is just as white, but obvs there's a difference between a weekly music magazine and a clubnight you put on covering a particular kind of music, and Price wasn't advertising Stay Beautiful with posters of a Craig David on the bog or rhetoric about reclaiming the charts for 'our music' so it's not really the same thing. Also, I realise that white people using 'black artists' as ammunition to score points against white people is dangerous territory (not that I was trying to score points against Price, basically I'm sorry for saying stupid things is my point.

Contender for most thoughtful and self aware post ever on ILX. Suggest ban.

whatever happened to craig david anyway? lighthouse family and david grey were huge for 1 album and disappeared to (the mm alt nation stuff just disappeared)

I'm fairly sure Bo" Selecta! killed Craig David's career.

I'm voting for 46. DUM DUMS- Taking the boy bands on at their own game. And winning.

http://chartarchive.org/a/dum+dums

They really were winning with those chart positions.

yeah Bo Selecta didn't help him none.

He changed his image so he no longer resembled the puppet

What's amusing me about the Stay Beautiful playlist is that I genuinely thought it was an original early-00s playlist until I saw Lady Gaga in the middle as the one concession to the last decade.

Although if I had a bottomless pit of money and even less self-awareness (and I long every day for both) I would start my own club night with a suspiciously pre-2005 playlist with even less popular appeal than Rachel Stamp apparently have in 2013, so Price is still ahead of me there

oh man if i ran my own club night there wd be about 12 people in there but it wd be the best

That was pretty much what happened with mine.

in retrospect bo selecta was pretty shockingly explicitly racist

it certainly wasn't funny

Funnily enough circa the time of this very MM issue I was very tangentially involved with a group of people running a club night, which clutched at every micro-hype going including some of the ones on this list in a desperate bid not to get kicked out for something more profitable, and still only got 12 people through the door. So I was thinking of figures closer to the 0 mark, but yeah.

Any Brightonians know how well attended Stay Beautiful is these days? (It seems there is one on tonight but don't go just to report back. Ugh, have I been tricked into street-teaming?)

in my limited provincial experience tho (and i have no idea how things work in the bigger cities) running anything like a viable club night involves playing the same obvious demeaning shite week in week out to crowds of music-hating twats who are terrified of anything they don't know

students you mean? or "normal" people?

students probly worse but make up more of the market

I would have thought the more um "meatmarket" clubs made up most of the nightclub market.

esp in provincial towns

if you're suggesting that students and meatmarket clubs are mutually exclusive then this is very offtm, certainly in my experience

oh i wasnt

meatmarkets with different music

Oh the glory days when ILM/Freaky Trigger/Poptimism was on a mission.

there's not many meatmarket clubs per se round here, late pub opening has blurred the lines and the old school clubs are gone - maybe a couple just the other side of the river - but the few functioning nightclubs are catering to a studentish crowd on the whole. also the line between students and any young people in the 18-25 bracket is v. blurry except at the extreme end of the underclasses

on the other hand, the last time i passed thru Wakefield it was like a National Trust heritage site for the 80s

also i probably wasn't clear about the crushing repetition of the playlists - i got no ish with the pop/dance/r'n'b nights, it's the more studenty "another chance to hear the indie canon from 1980 on" shite that crushes the soul

i don't really care, i dunno why i'm dissecting this, everything is tawdry and horrible

dunno that the big cities are really that much different on that front, e.g. through unfortunate empirical research i've discovered that pretty much every indie pop club night across the country is basically the same, london just has a bunch of them. but then i don't know how much that particular kind of homogeneity is really the concern. i'd go to your club though, promise i'll bring at least two friends too.

i mean i don't suppose anyone cares about indie pop nights specifically, but rather that for the most part there are a small number of template for club nights in general and in bigger cities it's just that the number of clubs fitting each template is multiplied.

i struggle(d) to find places that were good to carry on drinking but where the music wasn't interminable was the main thing i think

that and judging people because they like things i don't

i dunno why i'm dissecting this, everything is tawdry and horrible

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How many MM writers pre 95 were still there in 2000?

Or had they all completely buggered off to Uncut/Mojo etc

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UK Garage...in my arse?

50. YOU LOT 1

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