could be a current label, an older label, a label devoted to reissues, whatever
i'm asking this b/c it's hard, i think
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 05:09 (twelve years ago)
that's super hard. and a good, fun question.
― alpine static, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:18 (twelve years ago)
I love these for consistency and aesthetics:Blue NoteKompaktRune GrammofonStudio 1
Overall Taste:XLRough TradeSoul Jazz Records (I'm cheating on this one since it's a reissue label but it would probably be my top pick).
College Years:KrankyTemporary Residence
― Moka, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:20 (twelve years ago)
http://www.discogs.com/label/Vital+Body+Marketing
Vital Body Marketing
― cog, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:35 (twelve years ago)
light in the attic with a pinch of drag city and A&M
― velko, Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:37 (twelve years ago)
probly Kranky or Atlantic or Hi Records
― footballer of the future (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2013 07:50 (twelve years ago)
kranky, matador, touch and go, drag city,merge, in the red..
― nostormo, Thursday, 17 October 2013 07:53 (twelve years ago)
psfesp
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 17 October 2013 07:54 (twelve years ago)
CharismaFMPIvo-era 4AD
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:33 (twelve years ago)
Atlantic
― Zachary Taylor, Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:36 (twelve years ago)
This is a good question!
Mine would probably be Factory (probably an obvious choice but what can you do?)
― I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:44 (twelve years ago)
probably probably
Folkways
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:47 (twelve years ago)
(or very possibly Mississippi, if you factor in the music they put out and factor out how they package it)
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:48 (twelve years ago)
Small Wonder
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:49 (twelve years ago)
actually even better than MIssissippi: Water (Judee Sill! Holy Modal Rounders! Albert Ayler! Pearls Before Swine! Gene McDaniels! Roland Kirk! John Fahey! Betty Wright! Cluster! Allen Toussaint! Gilberto Gil! Lee Hazlewood! Ornette Coleman! Gene Clark! Thomas Mapfumo! Scott Walker!)
so yeah I'd say Folkways and Water combined
http://www.discogs.com/label/Folkways+Records
http://www.discogs.com/label/Water
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 17 October 2013 08:53 (twelve years ago)
Spalax
― Addison Doug (Matt #2), Thursday, 17 October 2013 09:02 (twelve years ago)
ESPSkin Graft
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Thursday, 17 October 2013 10:14 (twelve years ago)
+ Sublime Frequencies
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Thursday, 17 October 2013 10:22 (twelve years ago)
when i was younger — c.2003? — my ready answer would have been Domino(USA); not sure now
― Not A Good Cook (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:08 (twelve years ago)
Quarterstick, Drag City, Skin Graft and Hat Hut in my early 20s. Now, honestly? Bandcamp
― reeves garbles (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 17 October 2013 11:44 (twelve years ago)
Current label would probably be either Opal Tapes or Livity Sound
― paolo, Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:37 (twelve years ago)
My immediate response was Stax, but upon deliberation: Imperial
Reissue label: Buffalo Bop
― Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:06 (twelve years ago)
now: Utech, Hells Headbangers, Crucial Blast, Editions Mego, Rune Grammophon, Fedora Corpse, Youth Attack.
which isn't one label at all. so, if its one current label, probably Utech.
old label? man, there are too many. maybe Vertigo. for the allovertheplaceness of it all. yeah, i'll say Vertigo. except then i'm leaving out all the jazz and funky stuff...eh, whatever. verve, a&m, prestige, blue note, impulse, columbia, warner brothers. those are all me.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:07 (twelve years ago)
Reissue label: Triple Point Records. Only two releases, but hey.
Everything else: FMP, Stax, ESP-Disk, Motown, PSF, Immediate.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:15 (twelve years ago)
RounderESPArhoolie & sub-labels
― ian, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:17 (twelve years ago)
oh snap Vanguard too. definitely Vanguard. mike seeger, buffy sainte-marie, richard & mimi farina, patrick sky, perrey-kingsley, siegel-schwall band, bert jansch, peter walker, sandy bull, junior wells, mississippi john hurt, xenakis, country joe & the fish, the serpent power, jonathan & leigh, circus maximus, john fahey, listening, elizabeth, erik, tina & david meltzer, jeff monn, the frost, larry coryell, gary & randy scruggs. and more probably. that label is a lot of what i am. except for the joan baez part.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:32 (twelve years ago)
but also, like, mercury records. oh i better stop.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:33 (twelve years ago)
vanguard is a goooooood choice too.
― ian, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:35 (twelve years ago)
never got into the frost though. or that jeff monn record.
― ian, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:36 (twelve years ago)
plus, elektra including nonesuch/explorer releases. early 70's elektra is my jam.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:39 (twelve years ago)
jeff monn album is chamber-garage and there aren't many records like it in my opinion. and i like what it spawned as far as spacy ambitious singersongwriter stuff goes. even if it didn't directly influence stuff it was a harbinger.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:40 (twelve years ago)
Oh man, I own a metric ton of Rounder records too. I don't know if they *best* approximate my taste, but good call.
― Low down bad refrigerator (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:43 (twelve years ago)
Saturn
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 17 October 2013 14:45 (twelve years ago)
I love that Jeff Monn record!!new labels: Riverman, Companionold ones: Stax, Century, Command, Elektra
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:10 (twelve years ago)
Optimo Music.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:12 (twelve years ago)
probably merge. i have a merge records sticker on my macbook. *runs away*
― Treeship, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:19 (twelve years ago)
Flying Nun, at least for a long while. These days it might be Cherry Red, but that means I've been remastered from jumpy vinyl. Hmm.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:20 (twelve years ago)
this is a really hard question. part of me just wants to say "columbia" because they put out so much stuff!
― marcos, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:25 (twelve years ago)
and they've been around for so long
― marcos, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:26 (twelve years ago)
but they also put out lots of garbage that i don't care about
http://www.undergroundalbums.com/lessac.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:32 (twelve years ago)
Heavenly
― henry s, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:33 (twelve years ago)
http://www.velvetglass.com/Etcetera/artofthealbum/art%20of%20the%20album%20Albums/oddball/DSC_2281.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:33 (twelve years ago)
Most of my musical taste has been shaped by SST. Even in genres that Ginn didn't touch.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:38 (twelve years ago)
for me it would have to be on-u sound, $tateside and Trojan
could quite easily forsake the whole archive apart from that stuff and be happy for a very long time.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 16:42 (twelve years ago)
sadly, mitch miller was employed by Columbia for far too long. but once he got out of the way, things really started cooking rock-wise. still one of the greatest labels of all time though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:02 (twelve years ago)
Relapse
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:04 (twelve years ago)
Rhino. Stax. Casablanca.
― Sweetfrosti (I M Losted), Thursday, 17 October 2013 17:34 (twelve years ago)
Drag City
― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:40 (twelve years ago)
DFA and Drag City
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:44 (twelve years ago)
Crucial Blast, Editions Mego, Rune Grammophon,
aww man, 3 more worthy contenders!
― clueless mom complaining about miley Cyrus (sarahell), Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:47 (twelve years ago)
Recommended Records 50 Poll
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:50 (twelve years ago)
Arista
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 17 October 2013 18:53 (twelve years ago)
K-tel
― a cock for people who hate cock (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:00 (twelve years ago)
Alphabet Business Concern motherfuckers
― HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:05 (twelve years ago)
(Believer's Roast for currently active bands)
noodle vague hits the spot.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:10 (twelve years ago)
Columbia. Except I wish they had engineered orchestral recordings more like Decca did. Almost want to say Decca just for their analogue orchestral sessions. But... Columbia.
Honorable mention to SST.
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:12 (twelve years ago)
blackest rainbow
― Lamp, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:16 (twelve years ago)
Once upon a time this would have been Homestead for me. Then Blast First, then I guess Xpressway or Siltbreeze. My taste in music kind of exploded after that though and went all over the place, some I'm fucked if I know what it would be now. Type or something? RVNG? Blackest Rainbow is an awesome answer though, props to Lamp.
― gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:22 (twelve years ago)
some
― gotta lol geir (NickB), Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:23 (twelve years ago)
in trying to come up with an answer, realized i just have bad taste
― flopson, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:25 (twelve years ago)
i could have just cheated and said Universal Music Group since they own (or own the catalogs of): A&M, Island, Def Jam, Motown, Capitol, Virgin, Blue Note, Casablanca, Tuff Gong, 4th & Broadway, Imperial, Priority, Charisma, Angel, Verve, Impulse!, Decca, ECM, Deutsche Grammophon, Emarcy, Polydor, EMI, Mercury, Vertigo, London, ABC, Blue Thumb, Fontana, MCA, and Uni.
which makes up a very large percentage of my world. but corporate behemoth isn't the same as record label.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:36 (twelve years ago)
i think u maybe missed the point lol
― flopson, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:39 (twelve years ago)
one label is too hard.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:45 (twelve years ago)
for me.
i contain multitudes.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:46 (twelve years ago)
like, i can totally see Recommended = Milton Parker.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:47 (twelve years ago)
Tzadik (RJC imprint)
― Mordy , Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:48 (twelve years ago)
@ scott : good call.
was thinking re that side of things, but decided to use labels in the pure sense as opposed to the corp model.i.e. when a label had an identity, a sonic direction, and a recognisable logo (surely one of the key components of a good label !)i mean yes, i chose $tateside for one of mine, and that could mean either the original 60s, or the reissue version.with both variants being a major funded sub-label.whereas in actual fact, i meant both.the reissue version has been responsible for making so many lost tracks available again to non-diggers like me, meaning that anything with that logo on i have snapped up, whether that meant reissues of the 60s material that bore the logo, or, the re-licensed material eg. tk disco.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 19:53 (twelve years ago)
Since Factory was already taken, Hooj Choons
― Project Witch (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:02 (twelve years ago)
yeah, i mean 80's scott was all about 4AD and cherry red and factory and homestead and sst and all the rap and dance labels and...see i can't pick just one. and then i thought of United Artists circa 1970 to 1972 because they put out so many of my fave records like hawkwind, damnation of adam blessing, can, groundhogs, amon duul II...but really that's just one wonderful slice of stuff. Elektra is pretty close to who i am. same with vanguard. i should have just stuck with Vertigo. i'm just bored really and don't feel like cleaning records...
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:26 (twelve years ago)
Yeah i could conceivably put Elektra 3rd after Columbia and SST.
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:34 (twelve years ago)
idk, saydisc? but not really.
― ogmor, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:39 (twelve years ago)
ha.i know the daughter of the bloke who runs/owns that label.despite the social connection, i have never felt any desire to actually purchase one of his releases.yet apparently he makes £££ out of it .. go figure.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:41 (twelve years ago)
then there is Sire. actually maybe Mercury. cuz i love 50's Mercury with all the great classical and jazz and pop vocal stuff and then you get like thin lizzy and the bizarros. definitely one of my fave labels. so many great 70's rock records. i mean, the blues magoos and the platters and tom t. hall what more do you need? and i'm not really cheating by including philips and vertigo with that since philips bought mercury in the early 60's. (and i get Smash in the deal. and Philips owned fontana so let's include that too.) so, there you have it: mercury/smash/wing/philips/vertigo/polydor. that's me in a nutshell.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:43 (twelve years ago)
i mean i could live on nothing but those labels for my whole life.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:44 (twelve years ago)
Man, Philips...
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:48 (twelve years ago)
Early 90s Slumberland
Also Flying Nun
But both of those only covers the fuzzy pop chunk (a really large chunk) of my favorites.
― Evan, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:51 (twelve years ago)
philips owned dg too...
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:54 (twelve years ago)
xxxxxphaha, i was looking to vote for something on grounds of ideology/weltanschauung and it was the first thing that came to mind. there were various saydisc records floating around the house when i grew up, the bob roberts sea shanties one is in my possession, but i don't really think my taste consists of bach's oboe music or whatever. the field recordings &c. are cool though. i guess i wld include saydisc in my personal real england
― ogmor, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:56 (twelve years ago)
fair enough.
i am just amazed that someone out there is aware of saydisc ..
( nowhere near as amazed as to the knowledge as to the good living that the label owner has established out of the label ! i mean has the label ever had a 'big seller' of a release !!? )
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 20:59 (twelve years ago)
argo might be my real england. and topic.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:00 (twelve years ago)
― scott seward, Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:54 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well not til later though. Philips were the classical newcomer. But yeah if only one monolithic mergified IP owner is allowed it has to be UMG even though I hate their guts. Decca, DG, Philips, Motown, ECM, Scott Walker, Steely Dan, The Fall, argh fuck youuuuu UMG
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:00 (twelve years ago)
Impulse, A&M...
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:01 (twelve years ago)
philips owned dg in the 60's? or it was a part of phonogram anyway. maybe that was early 70's.
― scott seward, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:07 (twelve years ago)
also saydisc put out kathryn tickell's on kielder side which in my mind at least was a minor hit & 100% classic
― ogmor, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:12 (twelve years ago)
Oh hm look at that, joint venture Philips/DG formed in '62, and then became Polygram in '72
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:13 (twelve years ago)
And yet such different house styles! Especially in solo piano recordings where Philips engineering>>>>>>DG
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:15 (twelve years ago)
SeagramsGolden wine coolerSeagramsGolden wine cooler
― play on, El Chugadero, play on (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:16 (twelve years ago)
sry
have asked is the release that has made the ££ for the cotswold pad ...
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:21 (twelve years ago)
4AD
― OutdoorFish, Thursday, 17 October 2013 21:22 (twelve years ago)
fuck it, can i add 'jet records' to my list.
i can ?
why thanks.
― mark e, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:05 (twelve years ago)
Blackbean and Placenta
― alpine static, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:08 (twelve years ago)
shimmy disc. vogue disques.
― cw, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:17 (twelve years ago)
as the man says when ivo was around
― OutdoorFish, Thursday, 17 October 2013 22:56 (twelve years ago)
― alpine static, Thursday, October 17, 2013 10:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^ winner
― ian, Friday, 18 October 2013 01:23 (twelve years ago)
Rough Trade
― money, chicken and other DNA (sleeve), Friday, 18 October 2013 04:33 (twelve years ago)
Rough Trade, Factory, DFA
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 18 October 2013 04:38 (twelve years ago)
Bad Boy
― old homophobic boom bap rap traditionalist (The Reverend), Friday, 18 October 2013 05:00 (twelve years ago)
yenmego (especially if recollection grm counts)
― original bgm, Friday, 18 October 2013 06:59 (twelve years ago)
when i was 13 it was Load, since then Kompakt
― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 18 October 2013 07:45 (twelve years ago)
Aged 16-22 I would have had a definite answer to this and it would have changed every month (shout out to Too Pure, Kranky, Skin Graft, Touch & Go, Gringo, Sonig, Worm Interface, Load, bla bla...).
Now? Err... as an aspirational answer - I don't own that much stuff on either and am definitely not as cool as either, but if I could reinvent myself totally including my age, looks and having a time machine to buy all the out-of-print stuff, it'd be something to aim for - NNA and Spectrum Spools are pretty rad.
― the supreme personality of Godhead : a summary study (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 18 October 2013 11:42 (twelve years ago)
me = some unholy combination of: Light In The Attic + Trunk Records + Factory (up to about 1984)+ Tricatel (late 90s/early 2000s) + Ghost Box+ the RCA Victor Stereo Action! series from the early 60s + A&M (1960s) + Duophonic Super 45s + the KPM Library label + the late lamented 8-bit Collective website
― Jeff W, Friday, 18 October 2013 14:31 (twelve years ago)
does Dr Demento still have a label?
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 October 2013 14:47 (twelve years ago)
great dr. demento label:
http://bp1.blogger.com/_wnl6t0CBeKs/R4zCp-U4-eI/AAAAAAAAALg/uuVsdUKfkzE/s320/Vol+05+1b.JPG
― scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:11 (twelve years ago)
rca vintage series speaks to me
http://www.wirz.de/music/rca/grafik/lpv5324.jpg
― scott seward, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:13 (twelve years ago)
One can't possibly come close, but ...http://images.junostatic.com/full/CS1738123-02A-BIG.jpg
― Jazzbo, Friday, 18 October 2013 15:20 (twelve years ago)
LTM Recordings has reissued a bunch of stuff originally released by Factory Records, Factory Benelux, Les Disques du Crépuscule, Compact Organisation and Sarah Records so saying LTM is cheating maybe?Possibly Él?
― and when they don't pay a newsreader well, he tells lies on the news (bends), Friday, 18 October 2013 18:31 (twelve years ago)
I'd never read this before, from the él wikipedia page:
él combined the technicolor exoticism of Powell and Pressburger with the escapist fantasy of The Avengers. The stylised visual aesthetic of The Prisoner with the dry-witted late seventies British television comedies The Good Life and The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin. Richard Briers and Leonard Rossiter were, to Mike Alway, what Malcolm McLaren was to Alan McGee.
― and when they don't pay a newsreader well, he tells lies on the news (bends), Friday, 18 October 2013 18:32 (twelve years ago)
Also there is 'West Midlands', Lawrence's imprint on cherry red that has only has four releases, the three Go-Kart Mozart albums and the reissue of Back In Denim. I think I'll go with that.
― and when they don't pay a newsreader well, he tells lies on the news (bends), Friday, 18 October 2013 18:42 (twelve years ago)
Jive/Zomba/RCAIslandDominoSlip-N-Slide
― Saul Goodberg (by Musket and Pup Tent) (s.clover), Friday, 18 October 2013 19:43 (twelve years ago)
as of right now, its probably gotta be Profound Lore, Drag City and Thrill Jockey, considering how many of their current releases for the past few years I've bought
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 October 2013 22:56 (twelve years ago)
LTM's a great call, Bends! I'll rep for that one, too.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:44 (twelve years ago)
Okkadisk + Impulse! + Incus + Hathut + Tzadik
― Victor Immature (WilliamC), Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:55 (twelve years ago)
peas kor
― mookieproof, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:59 (twelve years ago)
What does Thrill Jockey release these days?
― JacobSanders, Saturday, 19 October 2013 01:25 (twelve years ago)
For the deep house part of my brain, Strictly Rhythm from 1990 to 94 (especially early in that period).
― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 19 October 2013 01:28 (twelve years ago)
Pulling back from my earlier Atlantic suggestion, now I'm thinking I.R.S. or Enigma.
― Zachary Taylor, Saturday, 19 October 2013 02:27 (twelve years ago)
Strut
― brimstead, Saturday, 19 October 2013 20:39 (twelve years ago)
those RCA vintage LPs don't sound so hot, though, scott
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 20 October 2013 03:36 (eleven years ago)
Virgin Records in the late '70s and early '80s, and Mute.
― Dog Man Star took a suck on a pill... (Turrican), Sunday, 20 October 2013 13:30 (eleven years ago)
EG leaves out a lot, but it also encompasses a lot... Surprised no one's mentioned it yet.
― Clarke B., Sunday, 20 October 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago)
touch / mego / raster-noton
― cozen, Monday, 21 October 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago)
Marina
― henry s, Monday, 21 October 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago)
"Virgin Records in the late '70s and early '80s" meaning Phil Collins and Scritti Politti?
― OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago)
Lame answers I know, but probably Atlantic or Columbia through the 1970s.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago)
Lots of stuff, but it's mainly the psych-ier stuff I'm into. White Hills, Wooden Shjips, Kandodo (Simon Price from The Heads), Mountains, Dustin Wong's solo stuff, and Eternal Tapestry and its offshoots.
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago)