Indie kids hate emo kids, right?

I say we bomb Iraq instead.

Whiney, pretentious teen sap-songs.

You need to brush up on your history, son. Saves the Day and Dashboard Confessional are NOT emo in any sense of the word, nor are bands that are like them. Calling those bands emo is a lot like calling Blink41 punk--people do it all the time, but that doesn't make it right.

Emo is more or less dead since most of the best bands in the genre have long since passed on.

Recommended (song) downloading:
-Portraits of Past, "Bang Yer Head"
-Heroin, "With No Name"
-Policy of 3, "Let It Build"
-Mohinder, "Beautiful"
-Hoover, "Private"
-Palatka, "Mark's Shit"
-Current, "Dance of Days" (Embrace cover)

But, as to the topic, lots of indie kids do hate emo kids. Not nearly as much as hardcore kids hate emo kids, however. All the Strife/Hatebreed/In My Eyes-listening hardcore kids, anyway. There's that whole 'screamo' thing which a lot of hardcore kids are into, oddly enough, and that seems kind of odd to me.

as the lone tear rolls down my cheek, I'd like to humbly stick-up for hot water music and braid in regards to emo. there hasn't been any decent emo for a while tho.

usually the people that hate emo kids the most are ex-emo kids, or people who are in denial of their inner most music listening desires.

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

-- The Jargon File

But then, Im in the suburbs right now, and at least in my area, that's emo city. Mainly because teens who just a few years ago liked Blink think its time to grow up, but dont want to have to listen to music that might challenge them. Thus, emo. And yes, I know the story of emo, came out of hardcore, Rites of Spring, blah blah blah. That doesnt matter. Emo, for what it is right now, is kids who dye their hair a darker color (thus representing the darkness of their hearts), wearing pseduo-vintage ironic t-shirts, and making poetry on their livejournals that always somehow involves stars, reaching for those stars, blood of crimson, and how nobody will truely love them.

Also, no, Im not gonna go download some old emo songs. You say it's good - well if it is, then chances are, its not emo. If the lyrics arent self-obsessed and myopic, chances are its probably just hardcore.

That said, you're mostly right.

(listening to Antioch Arrow)

i'm not much for Emo, mostly very boring (e.g. Karate), but I get the feeling it may be a gateway genre. Emo kids may grow up to have good taste. or not.

(re: the karate comment)

would you like to quiz me jonathan? my moss icon records are in storage, but i can probably do it from memory.

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

-- The Jargon File

It is one of the worst genre names ever though.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

-- The Jargon File

Also, you said something about not knowing the historical context. First off, since this was about emo-kids, the historical context doesnt really matter. Do you think any modern day whiney teen listening to Saves the Day, has any clue about the post-Minor Threat DC movement of the mid-80s? Thats what Im considering emo (even though I dont particularly like the old emo either). And why not? If emo-kids call it emo, then it's emo. And if not, if its something else, well, its still crap. Crap that eminated towards a shift-to-crap in the mid-80s.

(tom sez this week.)

EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM

You love Billy Corgan now? Aw, sweet!

PoP is fucking brilliant; I think the vocalist is in jail for running a meth lab that poisoned his kid.

anyway, a few years ago i read a HIGH-larious bit online about emo that broke down all the childhood tropes that define the (ahem) lifestyle. for the life of me i can't remember where i read this. anyone got a link?

(sorry for the lack of detail. i lost memory headbanging to universal order of armaggedon, all those years ago.)

?

...and I have sex.

Me.

She drew on our windows with the Crayola markers that you can draw on the windows with and erase easily. Themed for the holiday or the season. A heart one, a snowy one, a Christmas one.

She left Safeway bags in the shower. All the time. Everyday I'd go in and have to pick a Safeway bag of cold water off of the bottom of the shower. She had dreadlocks. She didn't want her hair to get wet, I guess. She put the bag over her head. And she put on the wax while we were watching TV.

She said she hated the Ramones and that she started liking rap after she saw Eight Mile and when her friend came over they listened to Eminem and drank bottles of beer and kept saying stuff like, 'Oh my God! I can't believe I used to like this! Ha ha ha!' because they were so smart and -- listen -- she had this stupid, stupid plan to start a band and they had all of these stupid plans -- it won't sound good with me describing it but when I remembered it just now, I felt angry and -- they had this plan where they would slowly remove instruments from the stage and, man, it was so, so stupid and they just went on and on.

I forget exactly what she wrote in her diary about me. It was because I wrote stuff on the mirror when it was fogged up. When I was standing there, right after I got out of the shower. You write things on the mirror. I don't know what. And when it fogged up again the writing was there again and she thought it was a ghost and I overheard her discussing it with the other girl who lived there and Amanda was saying how the house was haunted. And then she wrote in her diary that she thought it was me who had written something on the mirror and that I was creepy. Tat's the exact word she used, even: 'creepy.' She wrote something like, 'Is it normal to write stuff on mirrors?'

She had a poster of George Bush on her door with all the mis-saying that he'd said. When we watched TV together and we saw George Bush she'd always have to say something about how he looked stupid and evil.

She left the book right out on the couch, too. A stupid orange book with a sun that she wrote in with stupid kid pens.

The guy from Filmmaker got drunk at our house once while I was hiding in my bedroom playing Minesweeper and listening to Ashanti.

She ate a plastic carton of strawberries I had in the fridge.

She had a toque with ears on it.

I have some weird pictures of her underwear. I will upload them.

It could be argued indie kids are merely in the pupa state.

Soft Cell was emo?!

Is that why every emo kid wears a v-neck pullover sweater, corduroy pants, black-rimmed glasses, and a pair of Saucony sneakers? It's easier not to ridicule when you're issued a uniform, I guess.

realy people emotional music is like jazz and my grandpa likes that crap.

I swear to god I'm going to use this as a song title.

Ah, but they are fashionable. Have you ever seen a Gap commercial on television (oh wait, lemme guess...you're above watching tv)? Messy hair, nerd glasses, corduroys, etc. If you really wanted to wear something that was cheap and you could find in thrift stores everywhere, you'd all be wearing tapered cuff acid-washed jeans, Polo-style knit shirts, and canvas boat shoes. I've yet to see an emo kid sporting some 14-year-old "Hammer" pants, but I'll buy that gue a drink when I do.

Don't tell me you're not going for a certain, highly manicured style.

*steps back, waits for shitstorm*

!!!!

http://chumpco.com/~snicker/pix/random/emo.gif
A true emo.

Alright dillon you want my favorite bands, they are the Unseen, The Virus, Metalica, Black Sabbath, and Three days Grace.

"Seventy Times 7"

Back in school they never taught us
what we needed to know
Like how to deal with despair
of someone breakin your heart
For twelve years I've held it all together
but a night like this is beggin to pull me apart
I played it quiet left you deep in conversation
I felt uncool and hung out around the kitchen
I remember I kept thinking
that I know you never would
And now I know I want to kill you
like only a best friend could

Everyone's caught on to everything you do
Everyone's caught on to...

As if it happening wasn't enough
I got to go and write a song
just to remind myself how bad it sucked
Ignore the sun, covers over my head
Wrote a message on my pillow that says
"Jesse, stay asleep in bed"
Don't apologize (I hope you choke and die!)
Search your shelf for something which to hang yourself
They say you need to pray
if you want to go to heaven
But they don't tell you what to say
when your whole life has gone to Hell!

Everyone's caught on to everything you do
Everyone's caught on to...
(and I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to everything you do
(and I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to...

So is that what you call a getaway?
Tell me what you got away with
Cause I've seen more spine in jellyfish
I've seen more guts in eleven-year-old kids
Have another drink and drive yourself home
I hope there's ice on all the roads
And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt
and again when your head goes through the windshield

Is that what you call tact?
You're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back
So let's end this call and end this conversation
And is that what you call a getaway?
Tell me what you got away with
Cause you left the frays from the ties you severed
when you say "best friends" means friends forever

Is that what you call a getaway?!!
Tell me what you got away with!!
Cause I've seen more spine in jellyfish!!
I've seen more guts in eleven-year-old kids!!
Have another drink and drive yourself home!!
I hope there's ice on all the roads!!
And you can think of me when you forget your seatbelt
then when your head goes through the windshield!!

(I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to everything you do
(and I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to...
(I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to everything you do
(and I can't let you let me down again)
Everyone's caught on to...

this is a song from a emo band (maybe a snatch of the song not sure)but review it and you decide i think it is stuupid.

Those are great lyrics in themselves. Here are some other ones:
Is that what you call tact?
You're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back
So let's end this call and end this conversation

Your as subtle as a brick in the small of my back? Who makes that analogy? Most people dont know what that is then to compare it to someone.

Cause you left the frays from the ties you severed
when you say "best friends" means friends forever

Left the frays from the ties you severed. It just shows his songwriting intelligence. You have to admit that lyrically this song was well put together if you like emo or not. If you don't think this song is well put together then you just dont like it because of your prejudice to emo and you need to rethink how you veiw emos.

(lyrics and music: Tripp)

.

Go

You say stand up for your rights

But you fall for all their lies

You Claim to know the truth

While wearing a cheap disguise

Who are you to judge us, don't tell

Us how to live our lives

The real world's outside your door,

It's gonna open your eyes

Go..

Real life is coming gonna wipe

The smile from your face

You'll be left chocking, gagging

On reality's bitter taste

Won't talk down to others when

You're living on your knees

Slowly the hate sets in it

Consumes you like a disease

.

Oh your failure (failure) is my revenge.

Life's gonna catch up with you in the end

.

this world you've built is fragile,

It's all gonna come crashing down

And when your world collapses,

I only pray that I'm around

To see the look on your face,

The hurt, hollow, and blank stare

Of a person who just realized

That no one ever cared

Hey dillon here are some lyrics and i didnt steal your "tactic" you just say that because i shot down your gay emo crap!

dillon and i are arguing about if emo is a part of American culture.
it is not it is shunned and it probably came from europe. please, not many great bands came from europe except the sex pistols.

From now on if you have anything to say about how crapy emo is email me because dillon will like attack you with emo gayness!

it is not it is shunned and it probably came from europe.

nice. whatever happened to research?

And what about U2 man?

dillon says he knew the lostprophets before they went big. that is crap

my girls on the pill, so I can drill, and I don't have to kill, an unborn child, cuz that's buck wild.

Dude, U2 are totally emo. They are proto-emo. I'd say Live is the first real emo band. You try listening to "Lightening Crashes" without getting a lump in your throat (or somewhere [like, maybe your crotch!]).

P.S. the unseen rule!

The Art Attacks
The Child Molestors
The Undertones
The Saints
The Urinals

3 Heavy Metal Bands:
Napalm Death
Old Lady Drivers
Pat Boone

3 Heavy Metal Bands
Thrice
The Used
Story of the Year

3 Heavy Metal Bands
Yngwie Malmsteen
Ruins
The Fucking Champs

Moss Icon
Cap'n Jazz
Antioch Arrow
Jimmy Eats World
U2

3 Heavy Metal Bands

Rites of Spring
Embrace
Hated

Merle Haggard
Interpol
Devin the Dude
Van Halen
Balloon Guy

5 Heavy Metal Bands
Afghan Whigs
US Maple
Geto Boys

(this was pointless, I just want to keep bumping this fantasically entertaining thread, which I read for the first time today)

5 punk rock bands
the unseen
The virus
The sex pistols
U.S. Bombs
The Adicts

and 3 heavy metal band
Metallica
Black Sabbath
Ac Dc

As it is I managed to never enter the store once in my adolescence though I am aware of why some (indie kids?) are so derisive of it.

sleep
vincebus eruptum
emperor

and by the way chrishamrin, please, please, please tell me you were joking on your top 5/3 list.

I am no longer capable of humor since the accident...

There is no emo store. And if there were no emo would go there.

Wish I did, but I don't really undersand you kids these days and your music which all sounds like noise to me and your strange ways of dressing and patterns of speech. Do kids really call people, "emos"? I mean, I really hope so.

btw, my older sister was a Wire fan, so when they had their mid to late 80s media blitz, I remember it well, I remember her taping an episode of a talk show hosted or guest-hosted by Suzanne Summers! Seeing her smile and say "and now, Wire!" was just great. This clip is also on the Wire 154 bootleg DVD.

-Robert
The Unseen Rule!

That was from Roberts post. Listen, playing music louder and faster isnt a contest. It just is. What you dont realize is that most emo isnt even close to the sappy acoustic guitars that mtv tells the world emo is. If you call Rites of Spring or Fugazi or even as modern as Dead Poetic sappy and slow, theyd slit their wrists. If you go to their concert, they are just everywhere. Screaming into the mics, destroying their own equipment, just everywhere. Have you ever heard of Warped Tour? They just thrash out their vocal chords to the point you cant understand what they say. Obviously punk does the same, but emo is a sub-genre of punk. Whether you want to admit it or not.

"As for emo today, as most other sub-genres, it has spawned many(sometimes extremely opposite and/or contradicting) hybrids that all stake claim to the label, rendering it somewhat useless. Here are some examples: there's political, scream-and-flail-on-the-floor, emo like Frail, Swing Kids, Impetus Inter, and a slew of San Diego based bands; there's the really slow, discordant, artsy emo like Cap'n Jazz, Joan d'Arc, Evergreen, etc.; then we have the more popular melody/pop-oriented bands like Texas is the Reason, Sensefield, Mineral, Promise Ring, Split Lip (now Chamberlain), etc.; and last but not least we have the slow, stop-and-go, melody-thrash alternating groups like Amber Inn, Still Life, and others I can't think of right now."
-www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/straight-edge-faq/section-64.html

The short and simple answer is that Emo is Hardcore Punk music with sensitive and emotional lyrics.
-altmusic.about.com/library/weekly/aabyb_emo.htm

Have I proved myself yet?

have i made my self clear eunich boy!

Here are links to classic "emo" bands that melt the faces of 95% of "punk" out there:

http://www.epitonic.com/artists/drivelikejehu.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/mohinder.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/antiocharrow.html
http://www.epitonic.com/artists/speedking.html

And just to point out somtihng there are some great emo bands out there, like Alkaline Trio, which many be the only good emo band, but there are atleast three good emo bands out of the millions

All the emo band that were good created they own type of music ((screamo)) becasue they did not want to be called a emo band .... becasue well must of it is just a way for boys who like rock to make a pop band that they want to pass as rock band

SO those emo bands that sound like hardcore bands are called screamo bands ..... they would never want to be called emo bands, what person with a working mind want to be a emo band ?

Classic Punk Bands: Minor Threat, Operation Ivy, MDC, THe Clash, The Virus, Fear, Circle Jerks , The Misfits , Black Flag , Dead Kennedys , Crass, The Exploited , and the rest of them

-Robert Willcutt

Unfortunately, I have to go listen to the Out Hud/!!! split as per my duties. Not looking forward to it.

I am totally eno.

"we saw the Lovers, the Modern Lovers, and they looked very good, they looked as if they could..."

Could what? Save rock and roll!

masturbation will cure that right up, you know.
-- jess (dubplatestyl...), October 14th, 2002.

B-b-but it didn't help you!

If only there was magical heart-fixing glue we could be rid of all of this musical nonsense!

and for the record, sara beck, shut up you goddamn emo lovin punk-kid.
for the record i hate everything about both.
punk's dead. has been for a LOOOONGGG time.
emo SHOULD be dead. hopefully, the backlash will begin any day now...
but, love bands from both.
i'm such image of a divided person.
i also hate myself for loving you...

hearts/stars/kitty whiskers

p.s. see you in hell

I salute you with an old fashioned "lol"

You say this like it's a bad thing.

can't we all just get along?!

i'm still hating the emopunkravermetalcore scene with all my might!
grrr.

Spread the love.

HA! the jokes on you!!! we were doing LSD+smokin dope instead!!!!

i agree w/ Benito for the record...wait...i...

"We're All in the Same Gang"

to wit--

"The gang that should hang is the one that contains
The sisters and the brothers who are all in the same frame of mind
Now listen, get loose, it's unity time
Yeah, yeah
Peace is a presence that we all need
The future's in our hands, in word and deed
I'm Terrible T and I'm Sweet LD
We're 3.5.7. totally . . . " and so on.

Then again, today's "indie" bands, whoever they're signed to, don't subscribe to this ideology either. If a band has a million-pound marketing budget, posters up everywhere, and its collective eye on number one throughout the creative process, they can't really be said to be "indie" in the sense of the old selling-7"s-from-a-bedroom outfits of yore.

Which is not to say that the various NME Carling Xfm new-wave-garage-art-rock bands are the be-all and end-all of indie. There are small bands around the traps, still cheerfully playing jangly guitars, out-of-tune boy-girl harmonies and Casio keyboards on ironing boards in tiny venues and selling homemade EPs of understatedly fey, unmarketably unfashionable indie-pop songs. Though, more often than not, they themselves are getting on in years, and more a relic of an earlier time than a current phenomenon.

There isnt a real line between the steryotypes that you can find in todays High Schools and in the 20-somethings... your personality defines who you are. Not clothes, music, hair, or anything else...

*CBB*

I've learned alot about emo, just from 3 days of computer time... maybe the people who think its just a load of crap should sit down and find out what they're talking about before they say it.

*CBB*

PS- Same thing applies to indie... something I havent hit yet...

As for other genres of indie (indie rock and pop), mainly they just have good lyrics.

I don't know. In my opinion the main difference between emo kids and indie kids is that indie kids are okay with life and want to live it as happily as possible, and emo kids (or at least the current emo stereotype) just wants people to feel sorry for them...or more accurately hott emo girls.

Indie kids are usually smarter and a tad more original then emo kids.

For example, an emo kid's idea of original: dying a strip of hair a color that they've never seen anyone else do before.
Where as an indie kid is more like, "Screw the heat. I'm wearing my brown tux today."
Yeah, indie kids are kind of girly about fasion...but who cares?

So, in closing, indie music is a thousand times better then emo music ever was, and (to a true musician, or just a true music fanatic) indie sounds nothing like emo.

Except jews. Amirite or amirite?

"Compare Belle and Sebastian with The Beatles.
So, in closing, indie music is a thousand times better then emo music ever was, and (to a true musician, or just a true music fanatic) indie sounds nothing like emo."

Wait, the Beatles are Emo?

No I didn't mean the Beatles are emo.
Belle and Sebastian is not emo...maybe I wasn't very clear...

I meant that a lot of indie stuff sounds like old 70's music. Which is good. Yeah.

indie kids dont look like emo kids at all i should know im a good old indie kid myself.
we dont listen to the same music
we dont dress the same.

emo kids like to wear black clothes and studded belts with hoddies they wear tight jeans and eye liner.

indie kids like to wear vintage clothes but with tight jeans also.

emo kids listen to bands like From First To Last and Funeral For A Friend

Indie Kids listen to bands like The Kooks Maximo Park The Testicles.

i dunno, it's just got that little pinch of "i hate teh something! because i am like teh something, but more RAWK! (band name) (band name) (band name)" magic...

but if nobody can tell the difference between emo and indie, here's some lyrics.
Hawthorn Heights vs. Sufjan Stevens:

Most popular song by Hawthorn Heights:

And I can't make it on my own.
(And I can't make it on my own.)
Because my heart is in Ohio.
So cut my wrists and black my eyes.
(Cut my wrists and black my eyes)
So I can fall asleep tonight, or die.

Just a song by Sufjan because none of them are especially popular:

Cannot conversations cull united nations?
If you got the patience, celebrate the ancients
Cannot all creation call it celebration?
Or united nation. Put it to your head.

I'm going to leave that up to whoever is reading.
Can you see a difference? I certainly can.

IT.BUILDS.CHARACTER.

"Can you see a difference? I certainly can."

The Sufjan lyric is far more gay?

Don't throw me in the briarpatch, Mr. Sword-for-a-head!

-- Thomas Tallis (tallis4...), April 9th, 2006.

new wave hooker girls

Okay, guys...here's the secret:

Labels don't exist.
It's just a stupid joke made up for little kids. Like pirates.

This thread wasn't even discussing labels. It was supposed to be, "Do indie kids hate emo kids?" not "Is indie better then emo?"

ALL LABELS SUCK. Just do your own thing.

Most people around here don't even know what indie is.
They're all like, "are you emo?" and then they do that obnoxious giddy laugh, and I'm all like, "If you want to call me emo, then I'm emo to you. Problem solved."

I don't have many friends...

NO!

that's gold Jerry! Gold!

punk kids be all like dis.......

fank you apollo!!

You shouldn't have abandoned them! ;-)

I'm a metalhead, i listen to heavy metal, death metal, i wear black, because i feel most comfortable in black, am i emo? Do i slit my wrists? no on both counts. I mean who the fuck calls Iron Maiden EMO?
There is the other type of metal as well, with 'growling' vocals, now people who get SCREAMO confused with growling vocals are just dumb, because growling has been around for decades, and it sounds nothing like the screamo stuff today,

A lesson in history for all of you,
first up, Iron maidens 'number of the beast' has a massive scream after the first few lines, is that screamo? NO. is that emo? NO.

The term 'emo' or 'emotionaly hardcore' actually came from bands in the 70s\80s who would break down and cry on stage in the middle of songs, THATS where it came from, not some 2002 generation 'i hate my life so i'll slit my wrists' shit.

End.