New Beyonce album in 2014?

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There are like two billion Beyonce threads so I didn't know which one to post the preview for the "Grown Woman" video.

http://wearebeyhive.tumblr.com/post/69300382949/grown-woman-music-video-preview

Murgatroid, Saturday, 7 December 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago)

ty for this. way more exciting than what he's doing but the end makes it sound like timbo is on the beat?

love mike love (ko komo) (schlump), Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago)

i'm so confused

prolego, Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago)

Hope there's a version of the video without the '90s VHS tape aesthetic.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:47 (eleven years ago)

it's as if she felt she wasn't trolling hard enough with song snippets she had to start dropping video snippets

i hate her

i miss matthew :(

prolego, Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:50 (eleven years ago)

if "grown woman" ends up being the first single i'll be pretty fucking annoyed tbh

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago)

i mean, i know that sounds ridiculous and entitled, but, this song has been floating around for most of the year! why couldn't she have just released it earlier.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago)

yeah same here -- "Grown Woman" never seemed remotely promising so if she's circling back to that, ugh.

someone posted a Hot 97 playlist recently that said "Standing On The Sun" is their #4 song right now -- did a full-length studio version of that song ever actually get released? i loved the snippet in the ad.

some dude, Sunday, 8 December 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago)

idk about its official radio release status but just in terms of hearing it then (short answer) yes. studio leak chronology goes like this afaiui

http://soundcloud.com/blessed-gabriel/standing-on-the-sun-extra
http://soundcloud.com/blessed-gabriel/standing-on-the-sun-sos
http://soundcloud.com/blessed-gabriel/standing-on-the-sun-the-mrs

r|t|c, Sunday, 8 December 2013 09:05 (eleven years ago)

http://soundcloud.com/blessed-gabriel/grown-woman-acoustic-countr

ooo and look what else is on that soundcloud... love it

r|t|c, Sunday, 8 December 2013 09:07 (eleven years ago)

haha all her little grunts and ad libs over just a guitar

some dude, Sunday, 8 December 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago)

yeah!! but like the semi-comedic ease with herself in that makes it seem way more truthfully, engagingly grown than the gameface bluster of the og

r|t|c, Sunday, 8 December 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago)

they play "standing on the sun" on hot 97 frequently, idk what version or if it's official or what

song is aight

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 December 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago)

it's gonna be funny watching people who were wretching over timberlake letting timbaland produce his entire album have to turn around and act like beyonce just dropped manna from heaven w/ an album that tim is gonna have like 6 beats on

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 8 December 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago)

yes when the strawman becomes a different kind of strawman, the fun they will have

some dude, Sunday, 8 December 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago)

oh my god the country version of "grown woman"!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3 <3

I LOVE THIS

lex pretend, Monday, 9 December 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago)

it's so very "when i am old i shall wear purple"

grandma beyoncé gives no fucks <3

lex pretend, Monday, 9 December 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago)

C'mon bey

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 03:18 (eleven years ago)

extension of that bloody never-ending album-avoiding tour :((((

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 10:41 (eleven years ago)

surely there'll be a new single before the tour and the album will come out afterwards or during. SURELY.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:13 (eleven years ago)

^^a post from this time last year

lex pretend, Wednesday, 11 December 2013 11:28 (eleven years ago)

so...

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:51 (eleven years ago)

what the fuck is this

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:52 (eleven years ago)

hahaha

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:54 (eleven years ago)

they really went all out with this cover, stunning

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:55 (eleven years ago)

omg

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:00 (eleven years ago)

is this called "beyonce"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:01 (eleven years ago)

simple title/packaging seems like a pretty deliberate part of the 'statement'

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:08 (eleven years ago)

'Temporarily unavailable' now?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:11 (eleven years ago)

Oh wait there it...how the fuck long is...wait what?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:12 (eleven years ago)

there's 14 songs of the album and then videos for every song

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:14 (eleven years ago)

this has donna written all over it

nose, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago)

Hey, without that digital booklet it would be nothing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:15 (eleven years ago)

BTW, this tweet owns

https://twitter.com/MeLaMachinko/status/411366965916495872

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago)

donna?

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:30 (eleven years ago)

OH MY BEYONCE

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:32 (eleven years ago)

everyone's year end lists are going to be so fucked now

chael, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:34 (eleven years ago)

The amount of comments and posts I'm seeing already going "On iTunes? WHY NOT SPOTIFY" is honestly doing my head in.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago)

"This visual album is available exclusively on iTunes" :)))

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:38 (eleven years ago)

caroline polacheck wrote and produced a track on this https://twitter.com/carolineplz/status/411369657648418816

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:43 (eleven years ago)

The amount of comments and posts I'm seeing already going "On iTunes? WHY NOT SPOTIFY" is honestly doing my head in.

I pretty much gave myself over to Spotify in 2013. I rarely listen to music any other way. I spend the $10/month or whatever for unlimited ad-free listening.

That said, I'm really tempted to buy this right now.

Noblesse J. Blige (jaymc), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:43 (eleven years ago)

xp Wow!!

Noblesse J. Blige (jaymc), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:44 (eleven years ago)

donna?

donda* lol sorry

nose, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:45 (eleven years ago)

had an iTunes voucher sitting in my account for like 3 years. Finally found a reason to use it!

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 05:47 (eleven years ago)

so great to have a release actually be a surprise!

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:01 (eleven years ago)

otm

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:05 (eleven years ago)

The production on "Rocket" reminds me of D'Angelo.

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:11 (eleven years ago)

damn it i bought the clean version by accident! *buys again*

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:12 (eleven years ago)

this is cool

johnny crunch, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:17 (eleven years ago)

ROCKET WAS CO-WRITTEN BY MIGUEL

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:23 (eleven years ago)

rocket was written by miguel, beyone and timberlake

prod by timbaland

#illuminati

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:29 (eleven years ago)

ce*

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:29 (eleven years ago)

how can anyone listen to stuff on spotify? interface is terrible and everything sounds like lossy shit.

also, this is nuts.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:30 (eleven years ago)

lol didn't see the JT credit

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:30 (eleven years ago)

there's someone on here named "boots" who has credits on like 3 or 4 songs??? idk it's hard to read

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:31 (eleven years ago)

one million video extras kept this record a secret

love mike love (ko komo) (schlump), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:33 (eleven years ago)

how can anyone listen to stuff on spotify? interface is terrible and everything sounds like lossy shit.

yes, please tell us how you can tell the difference between 320 kpbs ogg vorbis and and a 256 kbps AAC.

mygoodgomez, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:35 (eleven years ago)

There's a spotify thread for that.

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:37 (eleven years ago)

"Mine" feels a lot like Tracey Thorn (first half anyway).

Divvy Bikes to Watch Out For (Eazy), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:40 (eleven years ago)

people who bought this from itunes: what's the kbps?

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:41 (eleven years ago)

256

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:43 (eleven years ago)

word

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:44 (eleven years ago)

Mastered for iTunes whatever that means

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:44 (eleven years ago)

what the fuck is going on

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 06:54 (eleven years ago)

how can anyone listen to stuff on spotify? interface is terrible and everything sounds like lossy shit.

yes, please tell us how you can tell the difference between 320 kpbs ogg vorbis and and a 256 kbps AAC.

― mygoodgomez, Friday, December 13, 2013 12:35 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't mean for _this_ album in particular. i thought spotify was just low-quality streaming stuff; maybe that's the non-subscription version?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 06:59 (eleven years ago)

i'm definitely not mad at miguel, timberlake, timbaland and beyonce doing a re-write of "untitled (how does it feel)"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:02 (eleven years ago)

but who is BOOTS

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:02 (eleven years ago)

i've been downloading for 15minutes and i'm only halfway done

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:03 (eleven years ago)

fortunately i just got a strawberry milkshake delivered to my house so i have time to kill

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:04 (eleven years ago)

i like drake albums obviously but he's really distracting on other people's albums

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:09 (eleven years ago)

this album is crazy so far

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:13 (eleven years ago)

wait the one done by ryan tedder is actually pretty good

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:19 (eleven years ago)

The Ryan Tedder track is really massive.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:20 (eleven years ago)

vocals on this are top notch

which is the tedder?

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:22 (eleven years ago)

blow is not making me mad

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:24 (eleven years ago)

tedder is "xo"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:24 (eleven years ago)

Excited about the idea of home delivered milkshakes.

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:26 (eleven years ago)

i should have ordered like 5

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:26 (eleven years ago)

woah yr no angel

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:28 (eleven years ago)

lollll the credits for this say "miguel jontel pimento" LIKE THE CHEESE

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:29 (eleven years ago)

honestly feels like a Bjork album right now

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:31 (eleven years ago)

Wait, this thing has 31 tracks?

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:39 (eleven years ago)

lol Rocket

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:39 (eleven years ago)

No, 14 tracks with videos for every track and the "Grown Woman" video.

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:41 (eleven years ago)

wow

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:44 (eleven years ago)

tedder one is a little U2 meets fun

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:50 (eleven years ago)

http://rocnation.com/artists/boots/

james brooks, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:50 (eleven years ago)

This is probably the best news I've ever read drunk.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:51 (eleven years ago)

can't tell if my shitty computer won't load rocnation.com or if there is no BOOTS info. not sure i wanna know the truth.

thanks james

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 07:53 (eleven years ago)

there's a "coming soon"

katherine, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:57 (eleven years ago)

Boots is Sasha Fierce's alter-ego

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:58 (eleven years ago)

this does kind of make that "obviously, at some point" quote upthread scan TOTALLY different, no way he didn't know

katherine, Friday, 13 December 2013 07:59 (eleven years ago)

WHAT IS GOING ON

I CAN'T WAKE UP FROM ZERO TO 100 LIKE THIS

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:02 (eleven years ago)

yes i was waiting for the british to wake up

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 08:03 (eleven years ago)

"She recorded all over the world for a year and a half but the initial recording started after the writers and producers gathered under one roof in The Hamptons, New York’s beach enclave, in the summer of 2012 to live together, work together and to immerse themselves into her world and into her head."

she clearly watched that Marina Abramovic documentary

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:03 (eleven years ago)

so the whole thing about them scrapping the entire album was probably bullshit right

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 08:10 (eleven years ago)

this album dropping out of nowhere is a nice bookend to a year that started with the surprise mbv release.

reddening, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:11 (eleven years ago)

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le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 08:13 (eleven years ago)

Imagine how different this album would be if Solange didn't have a falling out with Dev Hynes and Beyonce was hanging out with her sister like all siblings do and Solange was like, "you should work with my pal Dev Hynes, he was in a band called Test Icicles"

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:13 (eleven years ago)

that probably would have sucked.

billstevejim, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago)

completely amazing

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago)

yes it would have sucked

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:23 (eleven years ago)

lol @ a wikipedia page having been created 2 hours ago

"This article documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses."

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:30 (eleven years ago)

true

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 08:33 (eleven years ago)

it really is

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:41 (eleven years ago)

PARTITION

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:45 (eleven years ago)

YONCÉ ALL ON HIS MOUTH LIKE LIQUOR. YONCÉ ALL ON HIS MOUTH LIKE LIQUOR.

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago)

Loving this. She dropped a real Black Album, didn't she?

longneck, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:49 (eleven years ago)

Pretty sure the closest thing this album has to a radio-friendly single is like, "Blow".

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 08:52 (eleven years ago)

I love how we've had months of growing collective sighs and despondency regarding this album and suddenly like BOOM there it is.

Annoyingly I'm not sure I will get to listen to this today.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:02 (eleven years ago)

i think a lot of these songs would do well on r&b radio. and "xo" could be a pop hit (and a deserving one, though i was v skeptical when i saw both ryan tedder and terry richardson in the credits).

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:03 (eleven years ago)

"rocket" just completely slayed me

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:05 (eleven years ago)

'Partiton' is amazing

My god. Pure ideology. (ey), Friday, 13 December 2013 09:06 (eleven years ago)

Just downloaded this, loading up for the trip to work. Not sure when I'll have time to watch the videos.

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:07 (eleven years ago)

bzzz bzzz zhwap at the end of 'partition' is so cute/endearing

is 'pretty hurts' too much of a message song to be a single? i can see it being embraced by a tumblr/ONTD-type crowd

reddening, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:15 (eleven years ago)

Guys the entire world is there buying this album at once I'm not sure Beyonce even cares about singles with this one.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:19 (eleven years ago)

I mean she probably understands the value of sudden unexpected joy and delight better than pretty much anyone in pop right now.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago)

"Though an official single didn't precede the set, two tracks are expected to be announced as the lead singles for different formats next week. "

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/5827398/beyonce-unexpectedly-releases-new-self-titled-visual-album-on

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:21 (eleven years ago)

I'm sure she'll release them, it's just that when you've just thrown the conventional promotional cycle out of the window they don't matter as much.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:22 (eleven years ago)

singles will just be victory laps whilst flicking the vees at the crowd

wee knights of the round table (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 December 2013 09:24 (eleven years ago)

wish i'd opened this thread before i set off for work btw

wee knights of the round table (Noodle Vague), Friday, 13 December 2013 09:24 (eleven years ago)

oh my god the blue ivy song is actually beautiful

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:25 (eleven years ago)

Contrast that with Jay's Blue Ivy song lol

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:26 (eleven years ago)

What does this actually sound like?

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:26 (eleven years ago)

I'll leave the description of this album's sound to someone else but for those of us still wondering about Boots, this might be of interest: https://soundcloud.com/thisisboots/sets/boots-album-tracks/s-fhzJ6

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 09:33 (eleven years ago)

Wake up after a big sleep in, scrolling lazily through Facebook and some high school friend of mine is posting about being in a video for Beyoncé called ROCKET. Then went to google, and literally LEAPT out of bed in excitement

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 09:56 (eleven years ago)

wtf just woken up what is going on omgomgomogmogmomg i'm in tears

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:17 (eleven years ago)

"We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller. We say to girls “you can have ambition, but not too much. You should aim to be successful, but not too successful otherwise you will threaten the man.” Because I am female I am expected to aspire to marriage I am expected to make life choices always keeping in mind that marriage is the most important. Marriage can be a source of love, and joy and mutual support, but why do we do we teach girls to aspire to marriage and we don’t teach boys the same. We raise girls to see each others as competitors. Not for jobs or accomplishments which I think can be a good thing, but for the attention of men. We teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings in the ways that boys are. Feminist; a person who believes in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes."

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:21 (eleven years ago)

I WOKE UP LIKE THIS
I WOKE UP LIKE THIS

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:22 (eleven years ago)

Partition.

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:30 (eleven years ago)

Also experiencing that unfortunate thing of flashing on Jay-Z during the slowjamz :/

MikoMcha, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:31 (eleven years ago)

jay-z's verse is the worst bit of this, worse even than drake on that good girl bullshit yet again

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:32 (eleven years ago)

Wow

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 December 2013 11:29 (eleven years ago)

My week is totally transformed now

Shit that's just changed:

1. My PJ ballot may now be useless, need to hear this first
2. All those year end think pieces about the insane/random event album releases of 2013 is slightly less relevant

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 December 2013 11:30 (eleven years ago)

What's the Miguel track like? I've not heard it yet.

Popture, Friday, 13 December 2013 11:31 (eleven years ago)

SURFBOARD

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 December 2013 12:10 (eleven years ago)

got through seven tracks on the way to uni, if the rest is as good as all of that then it's AOTY by miles and miles

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago)

calm down, guys. Beyonce wants us to behave, for after all she runs the world.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago)

"Blow" continuing the "TKO" format of having Timbaland chant about vagina is pretty disturbing but otherwise this is pretty great so far

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 12:31 (eleven years ago)

i trust these videos will make on to youtube at some point? d/l fucked up and idk if i can be bothered

the album itself is pretty great on two listens

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago)

Dear 乒乓,

Your Apple ID, 乒✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧, was just used to purchase BEYONCÉ by Beyoncé from the iTunes Store

乒乓, Friday, 13 December 2013 13:34 (eleven years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/F7xPK7z.gif

乒乓, Friday, 13 December 2013 13:39 (eleven years ago)

partition is _so good_

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 13:55 (eleven years ago)

and yeah the full flawless (aka bow down) still rules all

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago)

at one point i feel like "rocket' samples "untitled (how does it feel)"

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago)

french part in partition was where i went from "wow this is amazing" to "wow this is AMAZING"

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago)

the videos are all like real videos. like overproduced fancy full stop different concept each serious videos.

we live in an age of wonders

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago)

Got to say I'm impressed that anyone could keep anything on this scale, with so many people involved, completely secret for the time it took to make it.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago)

you crazy? this is BEYONCE

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago)

well yeah but she ain't the gestapo... or is she?

You know maybe 9/11 was in inside job...

tsrobodo, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:18 (eleven years ago)

I mean I wouldn't want to mess with an army of Beyonce lawyers either.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2013 14:38 (eleven years ago)

not really unique tho, the other members of Destiny's Child have released albums that no one ever talked about too

musically, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago)

you crazy? this is BEYONCE

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, December 13, 2013 9:15 AM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

actually it's BEYONCÉ

KMFAO (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago)

so all that's left is for D'Angelo to drop his album on Dec 31st at 11pm, right?

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago)

"We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller. We say to girls “you can have ambition, but not too much. You should aim to be successful, but not too successful otherwise you will threaten the man.” Because I am female I am expected to aspire to marriage I am expected to make life choices always keeping in mind that marriage is the most important. Marriage can be a source of love, and joy and mutual support, but why do we do we teach girls to aspire to marriage and we don’t teach boys the same. We raise girls to see each others as competitors. Not for jobs or accomplishments which I think can be a good thing, but for the attention of men. We teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings in the ways that boys are. Feminist; a person who believes in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes."

my jaw remained dropped for the entirety of this monologue -- just completely thrilling in the best way

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:27 (eleven years ago)

that little pop before "flavor" on blow is insta-classic. i already see people miming to it on dancefloors for the next four years.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago)

i know this is not literally true and perhaps not even figuratively true but i feel like this album basically reinvents modern pop music, synthesizing all the potentially interesting things that have been happening and figuring out how to make them just incredible.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago)

^ that's basically the reaction I had hearing it on the radio this morning (local "hip hop and hits!" station played the whole thing).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago)

partition is so thrilling. syncopated as fuck.

the word of the day is montage.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago)

wait...Beyonce said that? omg bless her light

we need more people like Beyonce saying they believe in feminism to cancel out the Katy Perry/Taylor Swift "I'm not a feminist, I like boys" nonsense, leave it to B to say it perfectly ofc

musically, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago)

this is like a dj screw mixtape of 80s new wave, prince, and everything else ever.

"freak 'um dress out my closet"

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago)

i'm definitely not mad at miguel, timberlake, timbaland and beyonce doing a re-write of "untitled (how does it feel)"

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 13, 2013 2:02 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah wow this is really something

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago)

wait...Beyonce said that? omg bless her light

we need more people like Beyonce saying they believe in feminism to cancel out the Katy Perry/Taylor Swift "I'm not a feminist, I like boys" nonsense, leave it to B to say it perfectly ofc

― musically, Friday, December 13, 2013 10:45 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Its a sample of a talk by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie that she uses on ***Flawless (i.e. what bow down turned into). I think maybe from a TED talk Adichie gave earlier this year?

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago)

not really unique tho, the other members of Destiny's Child have released albums that no one ever talked about too

― musically, Friday, December 13, 2013 10:13 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dead

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago)

album has a lot of realllllly high moments but jealous, mine and xo annoyed me

i think my onceover takeaway so far is yr no angel

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago)

jealous really grows, as does xo.

mine i'm on the fence about.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago)

also the part where she sounds like nicki minaj was kind of weird

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago)

"We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller. We say to girls “you can have ambition, but not too much. You should aim to be successful, but not too successful otherwise you will threaten the man.” Because I am female I am expected to aspire to marriage I am expected to make life choices always keeping in mind that marriage is the most important. Marriage can be a source of love, and joy and mutual support, but why do we do we teach girls to aspire to marriage and we don’t teach boys the same. We raise girls to see each others as competitors. Not for jobs or accomplishments which I think can be a good thing, but for the attention of men. We teach girls that they cannot be sexual beings in the ways that boys are. Feminist; a person who believes in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes."

my jaw remained dropped for the entirety of this monologue -- just completely thrilling in the best way

― dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:27 (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

placing this in the middle of bow down bitches feels like such a middle finger to the (white) feminists who gave her so much hassle for that track (amongst other things) this year.

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago)

also "est-ce tu aimes le sexe? le sexe? je veux dire l'activité physique. le coïte. tu aimes ca?. les hommes pensent que les féministes aimes pas le sexe" <3 <3 <3

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago)

okay i will go get this now

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago)

xposts

it fits perfectly with "don't think i'm just his little wife". this was obv implicit in the song to begin with (for those who had ears)

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago)

SURFBOARD

otm

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago)

yeah also feels like a pushback against the ridiculous controversy over her calling herself "Mrs. Carter"

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:11 (eleven years ago)

"blow"'s recreation of "off the wall"-ish disco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "take back the night", and the same assholes were involved in both

beyonce is more powerful than my mind can even digest

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago)

i'm all for pushing back but that monologue was a snooze sonically xp

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:14 (eleven years ago)

drunk in love is good i just wish she had used a different word besides drunk

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago)

We raise girls to see each others as competitors. Not for jobs or accomplishments which I think can be a good thing, but for the attention of men.

considering how many people are sharing that gif of beyonce throwing a bunch of albums by other women off a table, and making jokes about taylor swift's birthday/lorde's single drop being ruined today, i have to wonder if they haven't gotten to this bit or if it just flew over their heads

da croupier, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago)

beyoncé could release an album all about ending stan wars and declaring love for every female artist in the game and there'd still be stan wars.

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago)

yea jealous is sounding better a 2nd time around

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago)

reminds me of best thing i never had

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago)

80,000 copies sold in three hours

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:21 (eleven years ago)

Got to say I'm impressed that anyone could keep anything on this scale, with so many people involved, completely secret for the time it took to make it.

The same year Bowie did the same thing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago)

beyoncé could release an album all about ending stan wars and declaring love for every female artist in the game and there'd still be stan wars.

― prolego, Friday, December 13, 2013 11:20 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"SEE!? Keri Hilson would never be that magnanimous! that's why she's THE QUEEN!"

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago)

i will always remember where i was when this happened

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago)

"SEE!? Keri Hilson would never be that magnanimous! that's why she's THE QUEEN!"

followed by "who's Keri Hilson again?"

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago)

ugh i almost forgot her name the other night when i wanted to listen to Energy

i think i typed in Keli

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago)

The same year Bowie did the same thing.

Oh come ON. Nowhere near as many people involved, on both the audio AND video front, and in comparatively far less 'in the public eye' circumstances.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

In just a three-hour sales window (closing at midnight Friday PT), "Beyonce" reportedly sold over 80,000 copies, according to industry sources. It's still too early to judge what the set will do over the full three days left in the sales tracking week (which ends Sunday night), but with prior projected leader, "Blame It All On My Roots: Five Decades Of Influences" by Garth Brooks, estimated to shift 150,000-160,000 units, Beyonce is already halfway to that sum. And in the time it would take someone to fly from New York to Miami.

love that last sentence

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

Haunted; best Beyonce song i've ever heard.

piscesx, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

what about that ching ching ching

what about that

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

tbf there were constant reports over the past year about Justin, Timbaland, Miguel, etc. working on Beyonce's new album. and there were 3 full songs out during the year, although only one of them ended up on the album proper in a different form/title. the impressive thing is that there was no buzz in the last week of "something big is about to happen," and no news leaks at all that she was working on any videos (which generally require WAY more people working on them than the actual songs).

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

ROCKET

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:27 (eleven years ago)

and Beyonce didn't retire like Bowie; we've had months of leaked tracks.

xxxpost

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago)

there were definitely info flying around on blogs that she was filming several videos across the world (i remember the story of the woman who got suck upside down on the shoot of "xo" :/), so there was a growing sense she was going to drop an album. i jimagine the directors and ppl involved in the videos were led to believe that would be in 2014 (and be released in the conventional manner), and only very very few knew of this itunes plan. and considering it's only been sent for phsyical production now i don't think that many ppl need to know.

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago)

I can't imagine what those contract lawyers were paid.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago)

tbf there were constant reports over the past year about Justin, Timbaland, Miguel, etc. working on Beyonce's new album. and there were 3 full songs out during the year, although only one of them ended up on the album proper in a different form/title. the impressive thing is that there was no buzz in the last week of "something big is about to happen," and no news leaks at all that she was working on any videos (which generally require WAY more people working on them than the actual songs).

― Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, December 13, 2013 11:27 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

well yeah people knew they were recording an album. that's why i'm wondering if that whole thing about it being scrapped was just a misdirection.

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago)

the synthwork on this really pretty

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago)

i think prolego's right too -- i doubt very many people involved knew it was dropping like this and not conventionally sometime soon down the line

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago)

you know, i'm kind of astonished that right now is the first time i even wondered if there was a release date for CD & vinyl. i guess i've become accustomed to the download world, finally.

that said, is there a release date for CD & vinyl?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago)

Defintely remember reading reports about the Terry Richardson / Coney Island film being filmed.

Also the bits in the "No Angel" video where beyoncé is posing outside the ragged looking house was filmed in a student suburb of melbourne, australia. I recall seeing a few excited instagrams about that in october

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

definitely*

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

i wonder if she wanted to drop the album right after the Super Bowl and it just wasn't ready then. that maybe could've been the only way this could've been done bigger, although in a way the random timing element here is a big part of the fun.

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

"film being filmed" oh dear beyoncé what have you done to my brain

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

it's being released physically on the 20th.

just in time for xmas sales

prolego, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago)

"perfection is the disease of a nation" is such an audacious way to open an album given that beyoncé's entire career is/was about embodying perfection

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago)

it's being released physically on the 20th.

just in time for xmas sales

― prolego,

Time to give it the Walmart treatment: stack a bunch of CDs in the cart for family next weekend.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago)

random timing was not a big part of the fun, it was everything

and it was also friday the 13th

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago)

it was like ... let me wrap my holiday toy for my nephew

o wait beyonce just came out with a new album

surm, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:41 (eleven years ago)

Does Bowie have a guest vocal on this thing?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago)

that's either him or Timbaland going "turn that cherry out" on "Blow"

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago)

ugh I thought it was he wrapping about the breastesses

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago)

don't lean on me man if you can't turn that cherry out

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago)

basically all album releases should be surprises

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago)

Remember that Mos Def album that dropped with no fanfare, then everyone said it sucked, then they sort of recalled it?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago)

basically all album releases should be surprises

yeah but i'm honestly still shuddering to imagine how awful this would be if it had dropped when i was offline and couldn't drop everything to listen immediately

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago)

^^ my life

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

i was excited about the news last night but rather than stay up i just went to bed and then looked for a stream first thing in the morning

Reince The GOPer (some dude), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

Yeah that works real well for non-superstars.

Xp

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

I honestly think it'd be cool if we went back to an era of chart artists just releasing stand alone singles in the months and years between albums.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

I'm just reminded of this thread from earlier in the year:
How many artists could drop a new album and get as much internet buzz as MBV is right now?

MarkoP, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago)

forgoing a social life in order to be home at all times for surprise album releases

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago)

...and access to ILM

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago)

How many artists could drop a new album and get as much internet buzz as MBV is right now?

― MarkoP, Friday, December 13, 2013 11:56 AM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

lolllllllllllolololololololoooooooooooooooooooooooooooollll

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago)

I'm afraid that now I'll have to update iTunes for the first time in, idk, years?

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:57 (eleven years ago)

*deletes drake track*

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago)

How many artists could drop a new album and get as much internet buzz as MBV is right now?

― MarkoP, Friday, December 13, 2013 11:56 AM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark

lolllllllllllolololololololoooooooooooooooooooooooooooollll

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 13, 2013 10:57 AM (1 second ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, in fairness, the question _has_ been answered

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago)

The few people comparing "Rocket" to "Untitled" have only heard one D'Angelo song or something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cL4leeORpY

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago)

it didn't need asking

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago)

i kinda wish haunted didn't have the stuff in front of it, that stuff is fine but i'd like to be able to just play haunted at will

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago)

tracy thorn mention upthread otm

parts of this are hella walking wounded

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:03 (eleven years ago)

it didn't need asking

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, December 13, 2013 11:01 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wuz joking

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:05 (eleven years ago)

reading this thread is so obnoxious while i'm at work, why am i torturing myself

xp even if those weren't beyonce's own words i'm glad that she's endorsing feminism in such a major way, such a fuck you to certain people who shall remain nameless in this comment because they don't deserve to be mentioned any more in this glorious celebration of beyonce's new album

musically, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago)

the-dream's writing on this album is hilarious/amazing

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago)

has anyone sat thru all the videos yet?

piscesx, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago)

Man somebody needs to hold a Beyonce viewing party

乒乓, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago)

Just rent out a theater or something idk

乒乓, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago)

just clocked the intro to XO as being from the live news reports after Challenger blew up. wonder what that's all about.

piscesx, Friday, 13 December 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago)

yeah i spent the whole afternoon watching them.

kelly and michelle (and pharrell, wut) join her for "superpower"

the grown woman video is great. kelly and beyoncé re-enacting old home videos. somehow the terry richardson one for XO isn't gross.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago)

just clocked the intro to XO as being from the live news reports after Challenger blew up. wonder what that's all about.

― piscesx, Friday, December 13, 2013 11:17 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

young beyoncé recognizes her own mortality for the first time?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:24 (eleven years ago)

i saw this and i love it when things happen that seem to be happening just to make ILX happy

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago)

lol @ whiney: "Also, side note to Jay Z: Maybe pick a better metaphor than "Ike Turner" on a song for your wife's album"

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 17:58 (eleven years ago)

Could we talk about Bey harmonizing with Frank Ocean and how beautiful it sounds

Murgatroid, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago)

It is kind of killing me that I am at work and cannot download this until I get home.

KMFAO (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago)

Unless I pay $15.99 and d/l it via my iPhone and like okay eff that

KMFAO (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago)

no its worth it

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago)

Can I borrow $15.99?

A New Bey Has Come (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago)

I need to get an iTunes card today after work

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago)

one B to rule them all

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago)

one by one they fell into darkness

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago)

there will be a non-visual, non-iTunes exclusive digital release of this, right?

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:48 (eleven years ago)

yep, it should be up now at http://torrentz.eu

A New Bey Has Come (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 13 December 2013 18:49 (eleven years ago)

i want a dvd of this. i want to see it in theaters.

http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q723/lion_area86/11auxsm_zpsbc8a1d4d.gif

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago)

physical CD/DVD should be out next weekend, if that's what you're talking about.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago)

Listening on headphones on train. So many amazing production details. Everything about this feels so deliberate, every note and word, and there's so MUCH

And I haven't even gone in on the videos properly yet!

lex pretend, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago)

You've gotta feel really comfortable in your own skin to sit behind Beyonce at an awards show, because you know you're gonna be in every other shot. And likely look worse than she does.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago)

(for all I know dude behind her in that clip is some superstar)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago)

i want to see this in imax. i want to live in it.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago)

Everything about this feels so deliberate, every note and word, and there's so MUCH

this has been my impression; this thing was put together very, very carefully.

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago)

yeah very much so. this is the warmest sounding pop album from a mainstream act in forever.

piscesx, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago)

warm?

Al He Miola (Spottie), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago)

the videos kick so much ass

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago)

terry richardson managed one decent act in this life which was "i'm just going to film beyoncé having fun in coney island"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:30 (eleven years ago)

it's actually a really good video and i'm shocked that he directed it

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago)

i do find it depressing that terry richardson gets to kick it with beyonce

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago)

Is it really surprising that this feels "so deliberate, every note and word?" Isn't that her thing?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago)

Or is it just that of other mainstream pop has been sounding rushed and easy and sloppy?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago)

"I sneeze on the beat and da beat got sicker"!!

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:37 (eleven years ago)

everything on this sound incred

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago)

i'm gonna be brave (but also cap'n obvious maybe) and say this is a little too long. it's amazing, but by a certain point i was thinking, "is this really still going?"

did i forget to mention it was amazing?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago)

the drake track is where i start recognizing its length

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago)

I am enjoying this but my initial impression is that I enjoy Fantasia's album more

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago)

the drake track is where i start recognizing its length

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson)

as his girlfriends know all too well

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago)

I am enjoying this but my initial impression is that I enjoy Fantasia's album more

― SHAUN (DJP), Friday, December 13, 2013 2:41 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ditto

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago)

when I started checking the time left in "Rocket" I'm inclined to agree

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago)

the sprawl matches the audacity of the whole thing, i'm not mad

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago)

eh, people have been using that excuse since whenever. i say make a concise statement, through the iffier tracks on as B-sides or internet bonus tracks or whatever.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago)

i prefer shorter albums in general, sure. i'm just saying, if you're gonna go long, own it. and this does imo.

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago)

how long is this? i've only watched a few vids.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago)

i mean...4 was a pretty concise album, but the highs were higher and the lows were lower. it's possible for an album to be longer AND more consistent.

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

well, "Haunted" for instance begins with almost three minutes of sound effect cut-ups and samples, if that helps

xpost

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago)

the main 14 song audio album is 66 minutes. 20 minutes longer than the last album. xp

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago)

4 was a pretty concise album, but the highs were higher and the lows were lower

otm. It's become my favorite B album despite containing her worst material. When the great stuff plays I want to listen over and over again.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago)

'party' is my fave beyonce song

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago)

oh

k3vin k., Friday, 13 December 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago)

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/really_house_of_cards.gif

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago)

sorry, fellas~

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago)

i feel like rev may be with me on liking it

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

I think Schoolin Life might be my favorite B song, which is why I don't mind this album being so long.

Fetchboy, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

I don't mind the instrumental track but Kanye smothers swagu over the rest.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

oh right, that part. well, i'd never say it's the "best" beyonce song but it hits a sweet spot for me, idk.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:06 (eleven years ago)

I like Mine but it could be removed without much detriment to the album. I don't really notice the length until around there, but it's immediately followed by XO, which is bursting with so much warmth and joy that I immediately go back to not caring.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago)

"Heaven" is a total drag.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago)

otm. It's become my favorite B album despite containing her worst material.

when I think "worst of Beyonce" I immediately think of things like "Work It Out" and "Check On It"

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago)

heaven and mine are prob the two i would take off.

call all destroyer, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago)

idek if i would agree that the highs on 4 were higher

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago)

that's because it takes a few seconds to remember "Run The World" even existed (xp)

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago)

Heaven came along at the exact wrong (right?) time in my life for me to be having any kind of not-positive feelings about it, unfortunately.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago)

heaven is good. so is run the world.

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago)

it's okay to like things!!!!!

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 13 December 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago)

if the album/videos become available for streaming i would imagine that any/all the songs could become 'hits' under billboard's new rules

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago)

"yonce/partition" is an instant classic

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:09 (eleven years ago)

yonce is amazing

chael, Friday, 13 December 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago)

"Heaven" isn't much of a song but she sings the hell out of it so I haven't started skipping it yet.

Fetchboy, Friday, 13 December 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago)

that's because it takes a few seconds to remember "Run The World" even existed (xp)

you forget that I have always and will always love "Run the World"

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago)

is "heaven" about her miscarriage?

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:33 (eleven years ago)

admiring the work of beyonce's label or legal team, who appear to be forcing the removal of all (or virtually all) youtube rips of her album almost immediately.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 13 December 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago)

been listening to it on tumblr

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 13 December 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago)

yeah i found a stream of it pretty easily. youtube seems like the absolute easiest piracy for labels to find and stop, everything else it's a crap shoot.

some dude, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:14 (eleven years ago)

I got it from w@ffles but rest assured I will pay for it when it's on spotify

deeja entendu (wins), Friday, 13 December 2013 22:18 (eleven years ago)

i'll pay for it, but do i have to get all the videos, too? (grumbling at being forced to pay for stuff i don't want or need)

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago)

this is just like obamacare!

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago)

i'll pay for it, but do i have to get all the videos, too? (grumbling at being forced to pay for stuff i don't want or need)

― Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, December 13, 2013 4:20 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're not really paying for something you don't need in any strong sense; it's $16 and chances are it wouldn't be much or any less w/o the videos.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 13 December 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago)

do the videos gobble-up much ipod memory?

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:22 (eleven years ago)

(that was my real issue, anyway)

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago)

The vids range from 45mb to 80mb each.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago)

CAN YOU EAT MY SKITTLES? IT'S THE SWEETEST IN THE MIDDLE

PINK IS THE FLAVOR. SOLVE THE RIDDLE

The Reverend, Friday, 13 December 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago)

I has to rewind that one haha

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 December 2013 23:15 (eleven years ago)

I can already hear the tsk-tsking from certain corners of the internet, getting ready to bombard us with their disapproving think pieces about Beyonce's sexuality on this record.

Greer, Friday, 13 December 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago)

yeah some ppl are gonna work overtime to contrive some reason that they weren't wrong about "bow down" etc before

dyl, Friday, 13 December 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago)

Is she channeling Kendrick on Haunted?

longneck, Friday, 13 December 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago)

PURCHASED

Will listen once I'm done watching DJANGO

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago)

not like anyone should be shocked, but that Flavorwire review of the album is so bad

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago)

is there reasoning to that beyond "it's a negative review, protect the party line"

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago)

(I like what I've heard of the album so far -- I've been asleep for about 16 of the past 24 hours so "so far" is applicable, sorry for not being plugged into the feed 24/7 -- but I won't lie, when this thing leaked there was this twinge of "oh god what if I don't like it")

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago)

haha yeah

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago)

is there reasoning to that beyond "it's a negative review, protect the party line"

― katherine, Friday, December 13, 2013 5:22 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

/429583/why-beyonce-makes-me-want-to-die/

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago)

I exited out of that review the instant the dude tried to suggest Beyonce has no business talking about the pervasiveness of the beauty myth because she was on a GQ cover.

But anyone honestly trying to put out any kind of album review of this--good, bad or even just indifferent--when they've not even had 24 hours to sit with it is basically demanding that they not be taken seriously.

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago)

that doesn't answer the question

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago)

"But anyone honestly trying to put out any kind of album review of this--good, bad or even just indifferent--when they've not even had 24 hours to sit with it is basically demanding that they not be taken seriously"

see that's the other thing that bugs me -- anyone writing a beyonce review today is doing it because their alternative is getting fired. you cannot blame them. if you have a writing job that you're probably scared will disappear tomorrow, for it is a writing job, are YOU going to be the person who talks back to your boss saying "Actually, I don't think I've spent enough time with this, I can't write anything"? it's blaming the writers again when the blame rests elsewhere

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago)

anyway back to discussing the album

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:31 (eleven years ago)

a day is long enough to decide that its utterly fantastic. not long enough to do a real analysis of how much is going on here, but then a year might just barely be enough time for that.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago)

"“XO”

I mean, what do you want me to say? It’s a big ol’ power ballad with a fucking choir on it."

Does that answer the question? Or how about that it's yet another white dude accusing her of being a bad feminist because her lyrics are not about helping the poor and needy?

It's one thing to have to publish something because someone is twisting your hand, it's something else entirely to substitute snark (please don't bring up the Scocca thing now) for open-mindedness and not have a feminism that's intersectional if you're going to bring it up in the first place.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago)

"the album, which was code-named “Lily” to avoid leaks." lol

longneck, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:38 (eleven years ago)

the independent takes the same tack as flavorwire - she's too sexual so she shouldn't be complaining about body anxieties when she's perpetuating them for other women. just how are ppl still writing this stuff >_>

plus the usual nonsense that this is the most sexually explicit album since erotica, which is seemingly trotted out as a line every other year.

prolego, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago)

I'd say Black Panties is a tad more explicit.

longneck, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago)

it's not bad because it's a negative review, it's bad because "i've always hated Beyonce and this album doesn't change that" is pretty meaningless

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago)

Honestly, if the reviewer at least showed signs of trying to understand it beyond seemingly throwing it on and barely listening, then "i've always hated Beyonce and this album doesn't change that" wouldn't be such a bad takeaway.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago)

Why is Erotic trotted out as some shining example of sexual explicitness when there are so many Lil Kim tracks that would make it blush?

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago)

”Foreplay in the foyer/ Fucked up my Warhol.” OH, BOO FUCKING HOO.

that line is p hilarious, anyway i think this guy's favorite album is probably wide swing tremolo by son volt

christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 14 December 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago)

Honestly, if the reviewer at least showed signs of trying to understand it beyond seemingly throwing it on and barely listening, then "i've always hated Beyonce and this album doesn't change that" wouldn't be such a bad takeaway.

― Murgatroid, Friday, December 13, 2013 7:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh sure, coulda been done with a greater degree of flair or intelligence. just saying a negative review might actually be damning if someone who's listened to and enjoyed 4 or B'Day could explain why this one is bad in comparison.

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:00 (eleven years ago)

My main problem isn't even that it's negative, it's that it functions largely as a demonstration of the reviewers hate towards Beyonce/her celebrity and nothing more. As a music review it's empty and doesn't offer anything to grapple with. There's no criticism of the lyrics beyond "ew sex" and "Beyonce's bank balance indicates she isn't allowed to sing about this". No discussion of the production, no takedown of the vocals. It doesn't start any conversation about the music or contribute to any existing ones. He could've wrote all his angry feelings about Beyonce and kept it in a draft folder somewhere with no loss to any wider conversation about this album. This review substitutes snark for observations about the music.

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago)

the reviewer chooses to write about the album track-by-track (already one of the more regrettable formats for a record review imo) and then chooses to write in response to one track nothing more than "meh"

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:14 (eleven years ago)

This review constitutes snark in place of the music. Oh Lorde, really Greer?

Hinklepicker, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago)

Sorry. Irrelavant and silly.

Hinklepicker, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago)

”Foreplay in the foyer/ Fucked up my Warhol.”

as long as they don't fuck up the yellow basquiat in the corner of the kitchen, which, as we learned in "picasso baby," has already been handed over to blue ivy. it would totally not to be cool to fuck that one up.

i play too fast (which is the sign of an amateur) (fact checking cuz), Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:31 (eleven years ago)

so, how haven't we talked about how jay raps "your breastesses are my breakfast"

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago)

we've milked it

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago)

lmao

Al He Miola (Spottie), Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago)

there'd better be a jay-z free edit somewhere out there by the end of the weekend

prolego, Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago)

i'm only half-listening to this on laptop speakers, but this is kinda dull. too much beyonce rapping, for one thing

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 December 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago)

every male voice on the album is unwelcome -- jay, frank, drake, ESPECIALLY timbaland

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago)

read in that billboard article that they're sending "blow" to top 40 and "drunk in love" to rap/r&b

apparently they're saving "XO" for later but i already heard that on top 40 today, i'd be surprised if "blow" actually ended up overtaking it regardless of what the label wants

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago)

i actually didn't hate drake here

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago)

every male voice on the album is unwelcome -- jay, frank, drake, ESPECIALLY timbaland

― some dude, Friday, December 13, 2013 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah i had this thought that drake & frank both have very specific sounds/voices and that it sounds pretty distracting in a context of a real artist and persona-driven album

whenever drake starts singing it immediately feels like you're listening to a different album, it's very jarring i think

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago)

I don't mind Ocean so much because of the incongruity: they're singing two different melody lines that come together thematically at one point. It's not "I Miss You."

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago)

i actually didn't hate drake here

― k3vin k., Friday, December 13, 2013 10:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the hook sounds bad but his like one-verse verse is really nice!

love mike love (ko komo) (schlump), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago)

Like I said up above, Beyonce and Frank singing together is beautiful (I'm no Frank Ocean stan either, I realize his limitations)

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago)

i would be very surprised if Beyonce/Columbia's plans for the singles campaign dictate what songs actually hit and where. all the songs are available WITH videos right now, the market has total autonomy to pick the hits. also it seems weird to send "Blow" to pop radio and something else to R&B radio, that seems like the most obvious urban radio hit.

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:37 (eleven years ago)

also it seems weird to send "Blow" to pop radio and something else to R&B radio, that seems like the most obvious urban radio hit.

yeah i thought this too, it seems like no one learned a lesson from "take back the night"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago)

but yeah i'd be surprised if "XO" wasn't the huge pop hit off this and pretty quickly

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago)

B's always liked putting out simultaneous singles to watch them battle it out, though, this is just like the ultimate gladiator arena for that. "Single Ladies" stomped out "If I Were A Boy" really quickly, "Party" initially dominating "Countdown" and "Love On Top" until the latter eventually arose victorious.

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:43 (eleven years ago)

the enduring single off '4' to me is "dance for you"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:43 (eleven years ago)

not from a preference standpoint, just in terms of what i feel like i still hear the most on radio

"party" is close tho

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago)

here it's "Best I Never Had"

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:45 (eleven years ago)

i hear "dance for you" a lot on 99 jamz still (including tonight!)

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:46 (eleven years ago)

oh I'm going by Hot 105 (which I know is adult R&B)

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:48 (eleven years ago)

"Dance For You" was the last thing to hit so it got to stay around forever with no direct follow-up. "Love On Top" will be a recurrent forever though.

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 02:50 (eleven years ago)

literally never heard "dance for you" on the radio, although if it is that frequently played it's yet another bonus-track hit

finally listened to the whole album and it is actually pretty great

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago)

i think i like/love every single track. it might be my aoty. even jay's rapping in "drunk in love," which i found horrible on first listen, now strikes me as bad in an endearing way that is ultimately essential to the track.

i would also be surprised if "blow" doesn't get some not-insignificant play on r&b radio (altho i'm sure "drunk in love" will do great). "xo" could be a monster on pop and i am close to thinking it's the best song ryan tedder has been involved in since 2007.

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago)

prob best thing he's done since "bleeding love"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago)

'4' still sounds easily superior to this album to me

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago)

at its best 4 was amazing but it had its patchy/forgettable moments

i should probably revisit it sometime soon anyways

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago)

this album is just as patchy but is way more exhausting

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago)

well my version of 4 deletes "i was here" and "run the world" and adds in the three bonus tracks. front to back classic album that way.

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago)

i think this album is just a bit more attuned to my interests than 4, seems a little darker and edgier possibly.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:18 (eleven years ago)

obv b'day still her best album

k3vin k., Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago)

I dunno. Tend to think 4 is. I don't love anything on B'Day like I do "Love on Top," "Countdown," "I Miss You," "Best I Never Had," and "1+1."

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:36 (eleven years ago)

4>B'Day>Dangerously in Love>I Am...Sasha Fierce

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago)

yep

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:41 (eleven years ago)

we don't gotta start ranking already. i'm with cad, though, the emotional space of this album is compelling to me (although "darker and edgier" is not how i'd sum it up).

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago)

yeah that was poor shorthand by me, it would take me some more time to fully articulate how this album feels different

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago)

well i think it's cool that beyonce saying she wanted to get this album to fans directly and without filter is backed up by this being easily her most personal album ever

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:47 (eleven years ago)

what's "personal" mean? I've never known what that means.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:50 (eleven years ago)

intimate, open

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:51 (eleven years ago)

for a phenomenon like Beyonce the personal vanishes in any kind of artistic context, I'd say.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:52 (eleven years ago)

it seems clear that the intent of this album is to appear personal

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago)

btw the synths on "No Angel" are crazy

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago)

i feel like she's always seemed pretty distant all things considered. def a great pop star but one whose music didn't exactly give you insight into her life or her feelings.

i think that wall has steadily been breaking down since sasha fierce

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago)

yeah "no angel" is a really good song

thank god beyonce ended up with that and not caroline polachek, there's no way she could've pulled off those vocals

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:54 (eleven years ago)

She's probably the pop world's leading expert on euphoria and erotic loneliness (c/o 4).

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:55 (eleven years ago)

xp was there any indication caroline wrote it for herself?

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:56 (eleven years ago)

This is where we part company. In her best music -- going back to 1998 -- she sounds plenty human. When she commissions narrative songwriting like "Schoolin' Life" it's fascinating how it still sounds as euphoric as "Jumpin' Jumpin'." She sees her life as a procession of triumphs which luxury has deepened and, when she's sung about lows, the expensive beats underline.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 03:59 (eleven years ago)

It doesn't get anymore personal than a song about your miscarried child.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:00 (eleven years ago)

xp was there any indication caroline wrote it for herself?
--call all destroyer

can't link cuz phone but rolling stone posted an interview with her today where she said that "no angel" was a song she wrote on tour in Europe and got altered slightly once beyonce took control of it

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago)

surprisingly apt vulture comments section guy: "Is anyone else feeling a Madonna "Bedtime Stories" vibe from this album?"

katherine, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:15 (eleven years ago)

she's pretty clearly pushing against her image on this, in a lot of ways the album is overtly ABOUT her being a perfectionist and a showbiz lifer and a sex symbol and commenting on that stuff. for her, being as personal as possible involves address the external artifice that is almost exclusive to her own life. her experience isn't universal but it doesn't mean it's not personal when she talks about it.

some dude, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:19 (eleven years ago)

otm

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:22 (eleven years ago)

can't link cuz phone but rolling stone posted an interview with her today where she said that "no angel" was a song she wrote on tour in Europe and got altered slightly once beyonce took control of it

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 13, 2013 11:09 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah ok, thx

call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:33 (eleven years ago)

but they had studio sessions, it's not like beyonce just got passed a demo

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:43 (eleven years ago)

surprisingly apt vulture comments section guy: "Is anyone else feeling a Madonna "Bedtime Stories" vibe from this album?"

― katherine, Friday, December 13, 2013 11:15 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've been thinking more janet. or The Velvet Rope.

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:56 (eleven years ago)

Though I can see the "Bedtime Stories" comparison too.

Greer, Saturday, 14 December 2013 04:57 (eleven years ago)

This kind of feels like another rich person doing a 20/20 Experience :/

Andrew Sandwich, Saturday, 14 December 2013 06:26 (eleven years ago)

andrew sandwich in the house, watch your mouth

le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 14 December 2013 06:36 (eleven years ago)

Is this the Kacey Musgraves thread?

20/20 (Andrew Sandwich), Saturday, 14 December 2013 07:11 (eleven years ago)

sb

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 07:25 (eleven years ago)

Is it really surprising that this feels "so deliberate, every note and word?" Isn't that her thing?

not really tbh - b'day was famously made in two weeks; both it and 4 sound very spontaneous throughout

lex pretend, Saturday, 14 December 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago)

Listen to this on random while wandering through a snowstorm, seriously

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 December 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago)

lengthy guide to all manner of 'hidden' stuff on the album/video http://www.vulture.com/2013/12/beyonce-videos-easter-eggs.html

piscesx, Saturday, 14 December 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago)

ha, that was a fun read, even though i haven't watched all the videos yet

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 14 December 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago)

3rd listen somewhat disappointing. didn't find myself appreciating the samples or heavy-handedness. also don't know how i feel about Beyonce calling herself baby girl when she looks in the mirror.

still too early to tell though.

surm, Saturday, 14 December 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago)

3rd listen was also the first listen on live speakers as opposed to headphones. not sure what that means yet

surm, Saturday, 14 December 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago)

Really like this album

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 14 December 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago)

Esp haunted and no angel, kinda "last train to Paris"-y

rap steve gadd (D-40), Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago)

no angel gets better every timeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

surm, Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

I think Heaven would've benefited from them hiring someone who actually knew their way around a piano.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago)

I deleted that one after second play.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:42 (eleven years ago)

i'm hearing koganesqe free-lunches all over the production.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 14 December 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago)

What does that mean?

My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago)

http://rockcriticsarchives.com/interviews/frankkogan/03.html

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago)

yea i noticed that too actually. i don't think it's a bad thing, but it's weird when the tune doesn't necessarily capitalize on it.

surm, Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago)

love the way the horns come in so late on blow, for example. or the passing one word sample on partition, etc.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 14 December 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago)

direct transcriptions are so hard to read

dyl, Saturday, 14 December 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago)

Heaven followed by Blue is a great and really moving way to close out the album imo. Esp because of the way it connects with Pretty Hurts conceptually and the explicitly autobiographical nature of the album in general.

longneck, Sunday, 15 December 2013 00:36 (eleven years ago)

The sequencing on this album is so amazing. It's long but it just flows perfectly. And wow, there are some incredible songs on there.

Frederik B, Sunday, 15 December 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago)

"Blow" is my immediate fave. It was fun hearing it last night as the last song at a mostly-lesbian party.

The Reverend, Sunday, 15 December 2013 01:22 (eleven years ago)

this album is so good it almost retrospectively rescues her movie.

like the way the clips are woven around connects to her aesthetic both in the hbo docu and her tumblr/instagram really strongly. like she actually nails the kitty pryde thing and makes it more interesting by playing it against a life in the spotlight, so the tension between artifice and "personal" really becomes stronger.

partition maybe has the perfect metaphor here with the crowds teeming outside the limo while there's an incredibly intimate moment inside. "Over there I swear I saw them cameras flash / handprints and footprints on my glass."

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago)

"Beyonce’s self-titled surprise release, which hit iTunes exclusively on Thursday evening (9 p.m. PT), has now sold over 430,000 units in just over one day,"

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5839787/beyonce-bound-for-no-1-as-sales-soar-past-400000?utm_source=twitter

Greer, Sunday, 15 December 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago)

can we also talk about all the different ways you can read "I Woke Up Like This" and how each time she says it I hear it differently. This is her prematurely air-conditioned supermarket.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Sunday, 15 December 2013 01:58 (eleven years ago)

holy smokes i was not expecting sales of this magnitude

dyl, Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:01 (eleven years ago)

yeah her last one only went platinum and this one's already nearly gold

balls, Sunday, 15 December 2013 03:32 (eleven years ago)

can we also talk about all the different ways you can read "I Woke Up Like This" and how each time she says it I hear it differently

omg didn't notice this post before but yes, this struck me on listen ~3 and the line should become iconic for this reason.

dyl, Sunday, 15 December 2013 06:27 (eleven years ago)

It's an awesome line.

Tim F, Sunday, 15 December 2013 08:55 (eleven years ago)

have we discussed the female empowerment angle?

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 09:01 (eleven years ago)

-_______-

some dude, Sunday, 15 December 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago)

I think we can all more or less agree: BEY WINS 2014

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 December 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago)

I meant 2013 lol

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 December 2013 13:13 (eleven years ago)

it can be easy to forget how classy Beyonce is, but i think i've always appreciated the fact that her bar is set high, and i think this album is a good example of that

surm, Sunday, 15 December 2013 13:18 (eleven years ago)

it is pretty hilarious that a week before the album dropped we were all "ok, album not happening this year, better start the 2014 thread"

some dude, Sunday, 15 December 2013 13:28 (eleven years ago)

shame because "i'm more powerful than my mind can even digest and understand" feels apt now.

prolego, Sunday, 15 December 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago)

PUNKED

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 December 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago)

bey wins 2014 as well

dyl, Sunday, 15 December 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago)

https://twitter.com/WhiteFeminist/status/411529821916004352

dyl, Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago)

have we discussed the female empowerment angle?

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, December 15, 2013 4:01 AM (7 hours ago)

haha

k3vin k., Sunday, 15 December 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago)

First PEACHES album to thread

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le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago)

i really dislike the drake song on this album

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago)

the loudspeaker vocal effect is such a bad look for him

some dude, Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago)

and the Drake persona is exactly the sort of thing that Beyonce's existence refutes.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago)

The dancing in the "Yonce" video was done in two takes with no choreography: http://www.buzzfeed.com/azafar/yonce-video-director-ricky-saiz

Murgatroid, Sunday, 15 December 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago)

another thing i noticed is that this is her least vocally-bombastic record; we really only get some serious belting in "pretty hurts"

josh, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago)

Blow and rocket are aite but they are def sorta outside the album's overall vibe

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago)

She sure belts in her section of "Drunk in Love."

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

I like the drake song, production is awesome

I'm not Beyoncé Stan by any means but the overall aesthetic of this record is up my alley in a way others weren't. Feels of a piece with the drake record

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago)

ew, god

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago)

complex stockholm syndrome

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 15 December 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago)

Beyoncé isn't rlly a complex core artist

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago)

And you're the one who's a take care fanboy!

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago)

because that record sounds little like A Drake Record

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago)

Deej iyo who are the top 5 complex core artists

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 00:03 (eleven years ago)

http://www.complex.com/girls/2011/07/the-top-100-hottest-porn-stars/

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago)

fyi slideshow

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago)

because that record sounds little like A Drake Record

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, December 15, 2013 6:02 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think it sounds exactly like it or something but the minimal production style certainly says 2013 to me in a way that as I said feels "of a piece" with drake's album

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago)

i was talking about 'take care'

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago)

I'm talking about nothing was the same

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago)

i know. i was responding to this post

And you're the one who's a take care fanboy!

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:01 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago)

Take care doesn't sound like a drake record? What?

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:21 (eleven years ago)

of course it sounds like a drake record but it's much more varied than his three other records and the sound that people romanticize & associate with him

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago)

i really like "mine" too. drake makes me roll my eyes about as often as i can tolerate or even enjoy him but i like where that song goes.

dyl, Monday, 16 December 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago)

on that complex article, "you might also like"

The 25 Best Kanye West Verses OF ALL TIME!!!
21 Songs To Pregame To
Songs To Have Raunchy, Turnt Up Sex To
Kate Upton | Hot Complex
Lindsay Lohan x Kaws

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago)

also how do we read "i woke up like this" in light of the fact i don't think we've seen beyonce's real hair once this decade? (or maybe only once).

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 16 December 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/JHNurtQ.png

Complex Core Artist

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:33 (eleven years ago)

the first 2 songs i heard on the radio from this record were "Flawless" and "Partition," which was pretty awesome, especially the former. i hope the 'there is no single, they're all singles' mentality persists for at least a few weeks before the inevitably particular songs take over.

some dude, Monday, 16 December 2013 02:50 (eleven years ago)

oh man hearing "flawless" on the radio would be awesome. only ones i've heard are "drunk in love," "mine" and "blue," the former two several times.

dyl, Monday, 16 December 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago)

"XO" is gonna be an immediate top 10 hit imo

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 03:37 (eleven years ago)

really like that song as well

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 03:37 (eleven years ago)

yeah it's just so joyous

call all destroyer, Monday, 16 December 2013 03:40 (eleven years ago)

I think "Jealous" might be my favorite track from this.

A New Bey Has Come (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago)

"XO" was the most prominently featured one in a new radio promo for her show here next week, certainly seems like the most likely big one.

the worst thing about "Drunk On Love" being a single is that i feel like it might outshine the much better "Part II (On The Run)" from the Jay album that was just released as a single.

some dude, Monday, 16 December 2013 03:57 (eleven years ago)

this album just murdered my subwoofers

Al He Miola (Spottie), Monday, 16 December 2013 06:03 (eleven years ago)

"XO" is interesting b/c it shows how much more enjoyable Tedderisms are when you add a slight Caribbean lilt - makes sense given how much dancehall is similarly unashamedly OTT sentimentalist.

Tim F, Monday, 16 December 2013 06:11 (eleven years ago)

Saw some performance art tonight that included dancing in fog to a slowed down "drunk on love". The choreography was undercooked but it had me looking forward to a chopped and screwed remix.

Fetchboy, Monday, 16 December 2013 06:31 (eleven years ago)

all "xo" is making me want to do is listen to "halo" at the moment. it'll work amazing live tho.

actually i feel most of the ballads on this wouldn't sound out of place on the first half of i am... sasha fierce. they're slushy in a way 4 avoided.

prolego, Monday, 16 December 2013 10:48 (eleven years ago)

I've only listened to this one and a half times but I thought that for a (largely) ballad-based album it avoided slush almost entirely. Certainly nothing that approaches the worst bits of that first I Am... disc.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 December 2013 10:55 (eleven years ago)

the best thing about drunk in love is how it is going to totally supplant the rihanna song of the (almost-)same name

katherine, Monday, 16 December 2013 11:15 (eleven years ago)

55 seconds into XO, on the last 'baby' before the chorus, her voice just completely croaks! I love it, it's such a vulnerable, amazing moment. In general, she is really hoarse thoughout, and it's exactly what the song needed, and what very few modern vocalists would figure out.

Frederik B, Monday, 16 December 2013 11:22 (eleven years ago)

XO is a bit Lion King-y.

I love her vocals on this album though. Has she ever sounded better?

longneck, Monday, 16 December 2013 11:45 (eleven years ago)

another thing i noticed is that this is her least vocally-bombastic record; we really only get some serious belting in "pretty hurts"

― josh, Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it feels like "i miss you" off 4 was def a jump-off point for her

Blow and rocket are aite but they are def sorta outside the album's overall vibe

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel the opposite about "rocket", it's like this album's centrepiece and maybe most crucial song - it's not just an incredible epic bedroom song, every line is a discourse on her, her public image, what she should be/has been/is...

lex pretend, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago)

With online debut Beyonce upends music market.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 13:05 (eleven years ago)

every male voice on the album is unwelcome -- jay, frank, drake, ESPECIALLY timbaland

― some dude, Friday, December 13, 2013 9:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

yeah totally. the "drunk in love" video makes jay-z...not welcome exactly because holy shit that verse contains SO MANY total clunkers, but he seems so relaxed and unguarded in the video that it kind of fits

and the Drake persona is exactly the sort of thing that Beyonce's existence refutes.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, December 15, 2013 6:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly - it actually feels like the "this is a song for the good girls" sample is a refutation in itself, it's like it's c/ped from a different song in a mocking fashion. then he gets an actual verse as well? feel like "mine" is not only the album's weakest song sonically but also in terms of how much sense it makes

lex pretend, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago)

i haven't watched any of the videos yet, happy to just digest the music for now. kinda don't wanna watch them all on a little laptop screen. is a DVD coming out the same time as the CD or not yet?

some dude, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:20 (eleven years ago)

I'm waiting for HD personally

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:33 (eleven years ago)

"I've been a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad girl / tell me what you're gonna do about that" in "Rocket" made me lol in the elevator this morning.

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 13:34 (eleven years ago)

Love the little interpolations towards the end of "Rocket" = "When I Get You Alone", "Ching Ching" etc.

Tim F, Monday, 16 December 2013 14:23 (eleven years ago)

55 seconds into XO, on the last 'baby' before the chorus, her voice just completely croaks! I love it, it's such a vulnerable, amazing moment. In general, she is really hoarse thoughout, and it's exactly what the song needed, and what very few modern vocalists would figure out.

― Frederik B, Monday, December 16, 2013 11:22 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes! I love this. And, right: maybe only Beyonce would figure out that on this song she needed to sound exhausted, physically spent, beaten in the best way.

Tim F, Monday, 16 December 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago)

i feel the opposite about "rocket", it's like this album's centrepiece and maybe most crucial song - it's not just an incredible epic bedroom song, every line is a discourse on her, her public image, what she should be/has been/is...

― lex pretend, Monday, December 16, 2013 7:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk, rocket & blow both have pretty evident R&B precedents and from a sonic pov are both fairly traditional sounding

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 16 December 2013 14:44 (eleven years ago)

like...most of the rest of the album?

lex pretend, Monday, 16 December 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago)

xp i believe the dvd and cd are being sold together. or if not i'd be surprised if they weren't available on the same day considering so much of the marketing angle is about this album being a multimedia experience etc.

i've always had a slight soft spot for beyonce's slush records but "xo" feels extra special to me compared to e.g. "halo"

dyl, Monday, 16 December 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago)

I don't know if it's been discussed already but one of the things that annoyed me about this is, as one of the rare people on earth who still buy physical formats, having to buy the itunes thing without the possibility to buy the CD+the downloadable stuff at the same time.
so now, if I want to have the physical, I have to buy the album again when it's released on CD.
damn I'm old.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 16 December 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago)

xpost I think "Blow" and "Rocket" are both more invested in genre tradition than the rest of the album; "Pretty Hurts" and "Heaven", say, are hardly setting out to startle you sonically, but nor do they feel like they're particularly deliberate sonically (it's more that "this are serious song" tends to constrain your stylistic options somewhat), and it's that sense of intentionality that marks out the first two tunes, makes them feel like they would have fit well on 4.

A lot of the other material obv sounds of its genre but more because that's the genre Beyonce happens to work in, I feel like this album is really slanted towards using genre to give effect to Beyonce's vocal charisma (is there a plural of "charisma"? I feel like you need a complex chart to map all of the characters, personas, moods, inflections etc. she moves through here), the different stylistic costumes changes are a means to the end that is the vocal performance.

4 by contrast felt slanted towards using Beyonce's vocal charisma to give effect to the most winning qualities of R&B qua R&B.

As distinctions go it's not particularly marked but that's what feels like the key point of difference between the two albums for me.

Tim F, Monday, 16 December 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago)

A great detail on Beyoncé's vocal styling from the writer behind "No Angel":

About two weeks ago, remembers Polachek, whose efforts on "No Angel" garnered her a songwriting and production credit, heard a version of the track. "It was slightly different from the album version," she says. Comparing Beyoncé's treatment to her original treatment, Polachek notes that, "Her groove was different—my vocals were jumpier, and her's were more like panting. And in my version the synths detuned really quickly for a second; she did the same thing but with her voice. It sounds like the whole song melts. It's amazing."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/how-chairlifts-caroline-polachek-landed-a-track-on-beyonce-20131213

prolego, Monday, 16 December 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago)

The "baby's" on No Angel actually remind of Ciara more than anything else, especially the "you you you's" during Promise.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 December 2013 16:42 (eleven years ago)

I think what I love most about the "Drunk In Love" video is the looks on Bey and Jay's faces while he's rapping, like "honey are you sure you wanna go THERE?" And "oh yea I'm going there"

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 December 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago)

oh, this was a SURPRISE album, no wonder everyone but me is eggscited

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 December 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago)

ok i'm thinking about charisma and chiasmus now.

also does anyone else get mia vibes from xo?

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 16 December 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago)

do u think xo is about xojane? is beyonce promoting young teen thinkpieces

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Monday, 16 December 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago)

is it because MIA had a song called xxxo

Number None, Monday, 16 December 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago)

Chris Molanphy with a killer piece:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/161-beyonce-on-the-charts/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 December 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago)

that garth comparison is useful cuz there's this weird possibility w/ beyonce that she's simultaneously rewriting the rules here but at the same time doing something that can only work once. it will be interesting to see what kind of legs it has, though presumably from this point forward you could use a traditional promotional model to give it a second wind. also somewhat difficult to measure how much this approach really did work since for all the talk of 'omg surprise!' she spent a considerable amount of 2013 on what was effectively a promotional tour for it, even if 'it' didn't exist yet. as much as there's an mbv (or maybe more to the point in rainbows) feel to this, the whole leadup also felt like the leadup to use yr illusion at times.

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago)

wow @ those numbers

the full video for "drunk in love" is now streamable on her vevo channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1JPKLa-Ofc

dyl, Monday, 16 December 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago)

Wait she broke the US first week sales record with 3 days of sales??

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago)

xp I still can't believe that's a Hype Williams video

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago)

she broke itunes first week sales record w/ 3 days. timberlake still has the highest first week sales for this year w/ ~900k. back in the nineties the big releases could routinely do over a million first week. n*sync did 2.4 million first week sales for no strings attached.

balls, Monday, 16 December 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago)

Imagine if she'd had all week!

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 16 December 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago)

she'd have 5 BAJILLION units moved

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 22:17 (eleven years ago)

"Yoncé all on his mouth like lick her" is p cute

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:03 (eleven years ago)

liquor*

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago)

funny/sensible mondegreen tho

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago)

the double entendre hadn't even occurred to me until now.

Tim F, Monday, 16 December 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago)

What did you have for breakfast?

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago)

Well I mean I know it's "liquor" I was just pointing out the double entendre

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago)

I had Best Reese's for breakfast

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:12 (eleven years ago)

These Reese's puffs are the best, thanks Yoncé

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago)

You were supposed to say rubber buns, jeez

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago)

omg seriously I cannot not giggle at the delivery of "tell me what you're gonna do about that" in Rocket

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:17 (eleven years ago)

Does this song read like simultaneously filthy and cutesy adorable for anyone else? Like it feels so innocent

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago)

"We snax again the mornin, your best Reese's is my breakfast"

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:23 (eleven years ago)

lololol

While Beyonce's new fast-selling self-titled album is sure to be on many Christmas wish lists, there's at least one major retailer that's opting not to sell the album: Target.

"At Target we focus on offering our guests a wide assortment of physical CDs, and when a new album is available digitally before it is available physically, it impacts demand and sales projections," Target spokesperson Erica Julkowski tells Billboard.

She continues, "While there are many aspects that contribute to our approach and we have appreciated partnering with Beyonce in the past, we are primarily focused on offering CDs that will be available in a physical format at the same time as all other formats. At this time, Target will not be carrying Beyonce's new self-titled album 'Beyonce.'"

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/5839840/target-wont-sell-beyonce-new-album-walmart-retail

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago)

what the fuck is that about?

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 16 December 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago)

Target relies on exclusive Target-only albums like Taylor Swift to boost their profits

乒乓, Monday, 16 December 2013 23:33 (eleven years ago)

lol. i wonder how many people will ask in-store where the beyonce album is during their holiday shopping.

dyl, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago)

That sort of thing is part of why this isn't the game changer some are touting it to be. Most artists aren't in a position to shrug at big retailers like Target refusing to stock their album like Beyonce is.

Greer, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 00:38 (eleven years ago)

i don't understand exactly what you mean. target refusing to stock an album for that reason is not unprecedented btw: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/12/entertainment/la-et-ms-target-frank-ocean-channel-orange-20120712

that said i don't really understand what people are referring to when they say this is going to be a game-changer. do they mean the lack of pre-release promotion? the surprise release? selling videos as part of the package?

dyl, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 02:13 (eleven years ago)

Target negotiates with big name artists to sell Target-exclusive versions of their album

http://www.target.com/p/taylor-swift-red-deluxe-with-6-bonus-tracks-only-at-target/-/A-14237117

乒乓, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago)

The hypothetically game-changing part of this is that this surprise package release only works if the album is perceived as being strong enough as a whole. If Rihanna had tried to do this with her latest, people would complain that they couldn't pick and choose the best songs. But this package was strong enough to be considered an event. Therefore, it might be the first commercial 'trend' in god knows how long, which actually includes making good music...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago)

i think it's interesting because there have been a whole string of 'surprise' releases in recent years and the way each differed has seemed specific to that artist and probably influenced the ones that came after. the Radiohead one made sense for them as an 'aor band' that isn't really about singles and was trying to become more independent of the major label system, the Watch The Throne and Frank Ocean albums established the idea of an early digital release to beat leaks, the Yeezus release was more about there being no advance single or traditional campaign, etc. obviously the number of artists who would benefit from doing the exact thing Beyonce did is short (I saw someone on Twitter suggest Dr. Dre release Detox like this, which seems like a cool way to salvage that mess). i think next year we'll get a few people trying new variations on the idea, though.

xp

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 02:27 (eleven years ago)

anyone tempted to write a thinkpiece suggesting that the old model is over or outdated or not as effective cuz of beyonce vs lady gaga should remember that timberlake went totally the opposite approach and had comparable (bigger but w/ more retail outlets and time so i'll call it a wash) first week sales and the biggest selling album of the year. and obv this approach could only conceivably work w/ artists of a certain amount of aura and devotion in their market. lorde can't pull this off w/ her next release and while adele maybe could it's probably not the smartest approach (esp since she hits so many demos, many of whom won't be on twitter at midnight on a weeknight).

balls, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:02 (eleven years ago)

yeah i don't think this stuff kills off the 'old model' at all. but it's worth considering that the old old kind of WAS to just release an album, with maybe one advance single a month before (if not waiting until AFTER the album release to issue a single), and the interminable yearlong multi-single campaign preceding most major label albums only became standard in the last decade or so. Timberlake was actually going against the grain by putting just a 2 month window between the initial announcement and the album release.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:12 (eleven years ago)

I think nostalgia and thirst for new Timberlake music made his elaborate, full-on media blitz a venture that paid off, as it took the audience that was already there and worked them into a fever pitch. After all that media saturation anything less than those numbers would have been seen as embarrassing (incidentally Bruno Mars moved comparable numbers worldwide and had better performing singles this year with a less rigorous promo campaign).

Greer, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago)

the interminable yearlong multi-single campaign preceding most major label albums would very very much welcome the death of this model fwiw even if it means liveblogging instant response hot takes becoming the standard way major releases get reviewed and you have to wait until the year end roundup for anything w/ five minutes of thought put into it (and might not even get it then, eg 'mirrors' in the pfork countdown)

balls, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago)

I think the marketing/sales angle on this album is less interesting in terms of big popular albums per se than in the specific world of R&B, where the death by a thousand buzz singles problem is much worse than in basically any other area of pop.

It's notable that up until a week ago it seemed like Beyonce had fallen into the very trap we previously could safely assume she was too big for, so her capacity to circumvent this is more interesting for the specific lessons it might bear for R&B artists.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:47 (eleven years ago)

Interesting how Beyonce is held to more typical 'pop star' standards despite largely being an R&B/hip-hop act with pop leanings and really doubling down on the R&B/hip-hop stuff with this release especially. Feels like a holdover from the fact that she came up as a solo act in a time when certain strains of R&B and pop were all pretty much the same thing and managed to mostly survive the creeping irrelevance of R&B on top 40 radio.

Greer, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago)

yeah she's kinda the last R&B singer standing that still operates on that scale. Usher is arguably still in that stratosphere, but his last album's total sales were less than what she just did in a day.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 05:27 (eleven years ago)

let me sit this

le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssss

le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago)

on you

le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago)

maybe the GOAT opening two seconds of any song

le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago)

A reference point for this album that maybe only Lex will appreciate: From The Choirgirl Hotel.

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 07:21 (eleven years ago)

ha you'll have to expand on that one, i'm all ears though...

the significance of releasing it with no warning is being a bit overstated - you could argue she actually gave us a year's warning, people have been speculating about the exact possibility of a surprise release for months, it's not a game-changer if it's only an option for artists at a certain level etc.

but the most interesting aspect of the release is not unbundling the album as individual tracks, or even having an audio-only option (and no sign that this will change?). has any artist done that before? and it's not even an itunes/amazon deal, it's full price, £12.99 or nothing. it's an insistent "i am an Albums Artist now" move (seeing as actually making a superlative album-qua-album last time didn't convince people of this), it's a refusal to lower her prices...i think that was the biggest risk here.

i sort of feel like 4 leaking over a month in advance had a big influence on how beyoncé went about this album - haven't seen that mentioned much.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 09:30 (eleven years ago)

a lot of different reasons, but one is the consistent return of limpid piano that gets subsumed within enjoyably heavyhanded arrangements.

Also "Ghost / Haunted" reminds me a bit of "Cruel".

What do you think of this vis a vis 4?

Tim F, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 09:43 (eleven years ago)

i sort of feel like 4 leaking over a month in advance had a big influence on how beyoncé went about this album - haven't seen that mentioned much.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:30 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah tbh i totally forgot how early that one leaked. although its sales were still pretty strong and the early reviews were good, but yeah i'm sure that pissed her off.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:09 (eleven years ago)

Yeah this is just about Beyonce knowing she's bigger than any traditional promotional tactics and just letting people rush for it. Won't work with 99.9% of other artists. You pretty much need to be at the peak of your powers for it to work.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:16 (eleven years ago)

Or you need to be someone like David Bowie with a massive audience who didn't expect anything from you at all.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:18 (eleven years ago)

yeah it's ironic that much of the talk this year was about how she wasn't confident about her status, how her label wanted her to redo stuff.

this album feels really intimate to me, not necessarily in a more personal kind of way but it feels like it's the kind of album made after cocooning yourself away for a while (and having lots of conjugal sex). erotica is really off-base as a comparison point - in terms of mood i'm actually most reminded of vespertine - the structures and vocal delivery are so loose, but they change in the most intuitively spontaneous ways, and everything feels in the exact right place, and it's so immersive. in comparison, 4 was a very public-facing album. relistening to both, 4 just bursts out of the speakers with so much force; whereas beyoncé sort of envelops you inside itself. even the nominal uptempos like "blow" and "partition" - how sparse are they, how much space. "***flawless" is the exception but even that feels like a tactic to pull you inside a club banger to hear chimamanda's words.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:38 (eleven years ago)

but beyoncé ALSO feels like the culmination of everything beyoncé has ever half touched on in her career to date as well

(and of course we know that "cocooned away from the world" is exactly what she hasn't been in 2013)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 12:39 (eleven years ago)

it's an insistent "i am an Albums Artist now" move (seeing as actually making a superlative album-qua-album last time didn't convince people of this), it's a refusal to lower her prices...i think that was the biggest risk here.

― lex pretend, 17. december 2013 10:30 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, and I'll contend again that this move can only work if it's made with an(other) superlative album-qua-album, which is what makes this so exciting to me. Also, could it be that 4, while never having an impact on the charts, actually helped her reputation as a 'serious' artist, given that so many of the songs turned out to be growers on the radio?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago)

I won't bother looking up its Metacritic score but, yeah, I've heard more critics say in the last two years that it's her best than I remember at the time.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 15:02 (eleven years ago)

judging by the metacritic score for this one, it's getting pretty much across the board raves - i think partly because she's not only considered a 'serious artist' (which 4 no doubt helped but also a sense she's paid her dues having been around for 15 years), but also she's considered an ~important~ artist now.

prolego, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago)

fwiw, re "much of the talk this year was about how she wasn't confident about her status, how her label wanted her to redo stuff." -- there's the same talk, equally unsubstantiated, this year

katherine, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago)

happened this year also

balls, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago)

For better or worse, this album has been keeping me going the past few days...

MikoMcha, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago)

wait what was the talk _this_ year i'm confused

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago)

So this was the band that beat Girls Tyme on Star Search...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n95GdcNJsg

MarkoP, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago)

SFJ's review.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago)

hoooooo that lede

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 23:18 (eleven years ago)

"death of several paradigms" rolls off the tongue like Skittles

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago)

that's the sweetest in the middle

some dude, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIv1z6n3Xxo

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 00:05 (eleven years ago)

ok, now I'm all choked up

Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago)

<3 this girl

seriously

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 00:27 (eleven years ago)

I just bought the album yesterday, hadn't heard anything really at all...cannot stop listening to it. SFJ was right about one thing -- it gets better every time I listen to it

girl made a fucking ALBUM and a half, hell yes

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago)

heard "xo" on the radio for the first time driving home as the sun was setting and promptly got chills

dyl, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 01:12 (eleven years ago)

p. cool video

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 01:13 (eleven years ago)

Good job SFJ

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago)

fyi:

1. "Drunk in Love"
2. "Rocket"
3. "Jealous"
4. "Flawless"
5. "Blue"
6. "Pretty Hurts"
7. "Blow"
8. "Ghost" / "Haunted"
9. "XO"
10. "Yoncé" / "Partition"
11. "No Angel"
12. "Superpower"
13. "Mine"
14. "Heaven"

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:16 (eleven years ago)

Heaven is kind of a snooze

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:24 (eleven years ago)

Clutch Cargo mouths in the "Grown Woman" video are v creepy
but that super incredible beat dropping at 3:08 would be THE BEST moment on the album if it was on the album, like god how could they leave that off the album proper

I love everything abt the "***Flawless" video so much

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:35 (eleven years ago)

not ready by a longshot to rank anything but "Heaven" is lovely and emotionally powerful imo

some dude, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:42 (eleven years ago)

ugh god it sounds like a memorial youtube video

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:43 (eleven years ago)

1. Ghost / Haunted
2. Yonce / Partition
3. XO
4. No Angel
5. Flawless
6. Jealous
7. Rocket
8. Blue
9. Heaven
10. Drunk In Love
11. Mine
12. Pretty Hurts
13. Blow
14. Superpower

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:55 (eleven years ago)

10? Seriously?

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 04:59 (eleven years ago)

Everything before it is amazing, and it would be higher but for the rap.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago)

superpower and mine are clearly the weak tracks on the album. outside of that its all up in the air for me.

surprised you're so down on blow though tim -- i'd be interested to hear why.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:10 (eleven years ago)

I'm not really, i basically like everything here.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:16 (eleven years ago)

Basically I've ranked the songs by how interesting I find Beyonce's vocals on them

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:19 (eleven years ago)

gotcha -- its a standout track for me, but her vocals are very little of the reason why.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:22 (eleven years ago)

blow
flawless
yonce/partition
????

it keeps changing. Blue is starting to really kill me and ROCKET, fuck

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:23 (eleven years ago)

This album is something else.

Popture, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:35 (eleven years ago)

is it weird that i want the physical copy on this one?

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:39 (eleven years ago)

it would be higher but for the rap.

The less I hear from Jay Z in any context these days, the better.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:40 (eleven years ago)

is it weird that i want the physical copy on this one?

Nope. I plan to buy it on Friday.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:40 (eleven years ago)

I could swear I read it was coming to stores on December 20, but now I can't find it for sale anywhere. (That's when you can buy the digital files separately tho.)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 05:47 (eleven years ago)

Yeah I heard Friday is release date, no idea where that came from tho

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 06:00 (eleven years ago)

i've avoided listening to it till now; haven't had the experience of buying a disc unheard in maybe a decade and wanna give it a nostalgic shot

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 06:01 (eleven years ago)

Part of me thinks that "Heaven" would have benefited a bit more if it switched places with "Superpower" because both of them are emotional in kind of the same way despite one being about love and the other being about loss, but the latter is way more powerful to me so going from that to "Heaven" is a bit of a step down.

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 06:18 (eleven years ago)

According to industry sources, a physical version of the album will start arriving to some U.S.-based brick-and-mortar retailers by Wednesday, Dec. 18. Most physical retailers will receive it by Friday, Dec. 20. (link)

i am going to buy a copy too

dyl, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:29 (eleven years ago)

i don't really like "drunk in love" at all, sounds like one of the bad new the-dream songs

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:33 (eleven years ago)

also the secondary synth melody in the chorus of that song sounds so chintzy to me, i hate it

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:33 (eleven years ago)

13. Blow

Tim, I excommunicate you.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:39 (eleven years ago)

Now, I'm gonna be the real heretic and and say nothing after "Partition" has mad a big impression on me. This album is basically tracks 2-6 for me right now.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:41 (eleven years ago)

Oh except "***Flawless" obv, I can't believe I forgot that. smh

The Reverend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:43 (eleven years ago)

i totally love "rocket," as shameless an exercise as it is

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:53 (eleven years ago)

Heaven is surprisingly beautiful and unsettling to me, and the sequencing is v. important - Blue sounds so much more desperately powerful for following it. I guess a great deal of sentimentality creeps in at the end of this but somehow it feels... earned?

longneck, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 07:56 (eleven years ago)

didn't think i liked "drunk in love" at first and that really is a stinker of a rap but i love beyoncé herself on it, her voluptuous wailing is kind of "baby boy"-like

sentimentality of last two tracks is definitely earned and when you listen to them they're actually pretty good songs but tbh i'm quite likely to end the album at "superpower" as well

don't get what's shameless about "rocket", it's the centrepiece of this

very much not set in stone yet:

1. no angel
2. yoncé/partition
3. rocket
4. ***flawless
5. ghost/haunted
6. blow
7. superpower
8. drunk in love
9. pretty hurts
10. xo
11. jealous
12. blue
13. heaven
14. mine

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 10:32 (eleven years ago)

"My aspiration in life... would be... to be happy"

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:32 (eleven years ago)

I listened to this on headphones for the first time and really I can only cosign everyone else who has said the SOUND of this record is amazing. Like the production and textures are off the fucking hook, every single sound has been thought about and even things that would sound cheap in the work of even another A-lister (ie big bass drops) just sound really full and luxurious.

It helps because I don't think the songwriting is quite up to the standard of the best bits of 4 - a song like No Angel would be a fairly standard breathy slow jam in the hands of anyone else but the sounds underneath keep changing throughout in a way that most other purveyors of breathy slow jams just wouldn't bother with.

Listing tracks in preferential order is boring but I'm enjoying the second half slightly more that the first at this stage, it just seems to really slip into another register from Rocket onwards and everything just seems huge in its scope, even when the subject matter is largely intimate. The structure of the album reminds me a lot of Hounds of Love in that regard. It's all great though.

I can't work out whether the non-Flawless spoken word excerpts are thematically essential or just annoying. The first fifteen seconds of the album are probably the worst though, and that includes the bit when Drake appears.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:41 (eleven years ago)

partition > haunted > flawless > xo > blow > no angel > rocket > drunk in love > jealous > blue > pretty hurts > heaven > superpower > mine

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:42 (eleven years ago)

the spoken word stuff only works for me in so much as it works in the videos, so it... reminds me of the way the videos theme each song? Which is as much limiting interpretation as deepening meaning.

i love you dudes who are ranking tracks but seriously if your favourite tracks aren't changing every time you listen (or even as you listen) idk if we can truly be friends.

if you're happy and you know it, it's false consciousness (c sharp major), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:45 (eleven years ago)

oh, yeah. i've woken up with a different song in my head every day since i bought this. the top 2 are definitely my favourites and the drake song is definitely my least favourite, but everything from 3-13 is basically interchangeable

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 11:48 (eleven years ago)

OMG she apparently recorded "no angel" DOWN THE ROAD FROM MY HOUSE at this place: http://russellsofclapton.com/

why didn't she text??

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago)

Very well -- I'll relisten to "Blue" and "Heaven" b/c you guys say so (I'd already deleted them from the playlist).

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago)

That might have been the same period when she and Jay just randomly decided to wander into the coffee shop down the road from me. They were in London quite a bit a while back.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:30 (eleven years ago)

so is the album called Beyoncé or BEYONCÉ ?

(keeping in mind Jay-Z recently changed his name to JAY Z)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:57 (eleven years ago)

Critics got special keyboards with which to type the accented e

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago)

capitalising album titles has been one of the worst trends in pop this year

prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago)

tho BANGERZ just about gets away with it

prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago)

Bangerz isn't capitalised! (It should be tho)

Accents are easy and important, no excuses for ignoring them

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:06 (eleven years ago)

Beyonce'

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:08 (eleven years ago)

I like how someone ignores the accent at the very beginning of track two.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 13:09 (eleven years ago)

OMG she apparently recorded "no angel" DOWN THE ROAD FROM MY HOUSE at this place: http://russellsofclapton.com/

why didn't she text??

― lex pretend, Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:22 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The ramshackle cottage she sings in front of the video clip for this - theoretically in Houston - is actually down the road from my house.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:32 (eleven years ago)

UGH GOD I WANT THIS SO BAD

http://us.shop.beyonce.com/index.php/apparel/pink-name-fleece-crew-neck.html

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago)

ghost is a cool song, there's something going on there

it's like pj harvey or tori amos or something, it's cool

there are also definitely elements of this record that do what "government hooker" was trying to do about 50 million times better

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago)

all i want for xmas is this:

http://skreened.com/qtees/liberte-egalite-beyonce

prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago)

Hmmm... just realized the lyrics are "What goes up, ghost around" - that's... not great.

It's a cool track though.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago)

yeah i realized that. i kind of don't mind it. it's like, whatever.

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago)

Weird that she filmed in Brunswick, I used to live around the corner as well on Albert St!

Also didn't know that ‘No Angel’ was written and produced by Caroline Polachek from Chairlift.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago)

my favorites and least favorites are always shifting

dyl, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago)

i'm sorry but i can't talk enough about No Angel

like, i don't know what to say about it, but i also can't say enough about it

or something

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago)

those vocals o_O

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago)

the synths

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago)

the dissonant verses

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:05 (eleven years ago)

the lyrics

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:06 (eleven years ago)

yeah that description someone quoted way upthread about B's vocals almost 'melting' is otm

i hear new things everytime I listen to that song

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago)

Watching the videos, love XO.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago)

...and it's directed by Terry Richardson. Typical. Now I feel dirty.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago)

i'm not as big on "XO" as a song, maybe it'll grow though.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago)

I'm willing to acknowledge it's Lion King-esque characteristics, but they also don't bother me too much.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago)

Fucking love the Lion King, what is the problem people.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago)

otm

Al He Miola (Spottie), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago)

the problem is that they don't get the meaning of Hakuna Matata

Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago)

Rocket really is something else.

Greer, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:09 (eleven years ago)

When was the last time an album was released where EVERYONE like immediately knew ALL of the songs bcz all of these references from all diff pts on the album seem to have already entered the cultural zeitgeist what with gifs and facebook and all of that. It's not like people know the words to a handful of singles, it's like everyone already knows the whole damn album equally. It's kind of incredible.

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago)

ALL of the songs are "the main songs on the album". Whoa.

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago)

True

I'm going to be the lone loser who votes for this album next year

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago)

I'm kinda peeved that "Grown Woman" didn't get a formal release.

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago)

i'm not sure why there's only no audio version on the album, it's the perfect note to end the album on. i dismissed it as sub-standard beyoncé female empowerment fodder when it was tossed off in the pepsi advert at the beginning of the year, but it makes so much sense now in the context of the album. i love it.

prolego, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:47 (eleven years ago)

I'm going to be the lone loser who votes for this album next year

― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings)

hi! Let's have a drink.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago)

Fucking love the Lion King, what is the problem people.

Well, the Lion King was totally the shit when I was like 13. But that's sort of not the point, I get the sense that a track like XO could sound overblown if another artist recorded it, but it comes across as nothing but joyous and romantic to me.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago)

The bass-driven production and aura of late-night woozy joy is reminding me of Cooly G's album.

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago)

Agreed.

But the dancehall angle (both in the production and the vocals - she sounds like Tanya Stephens at some points) is important. Dancehall has this tradition of massive, cheesily sentimental anthems wherein there are never any diminishing returns from getting more overblown. I feel like "XO" plugs into that vibe as much or more than it does power balladry or Disney soundtracks or even specifically the Tedder writing credit back-catalogue.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago)

Xpost

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago)

The bass-driven production and aura of late-night woozy joy is reminding me of Cooly G's album.

Except Beyoncé can actually sing.

Ornate Coleman (Moodles), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago)

i read what you wrote about "xo" and dancehall before i'd really paid "xo" much attention, now i have and i don't quite see it? if there's any trace of dancehall on this album it's pretty faint imo, and it's a lot of other things first

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago)

On the album, sure.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago)

"XO" is basically a Caribbean love song, though, come on.

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago)

but only faint on "xo" as well? a slight caribbean intonation in places? i can imagine it as a dancehall ballad but i can imagine a lot of things as dancehall ballads (happily)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago)

what is caribbean about it though?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago)

Teh drums.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago)

yeah-uh-uh-uh-eh-ye-eah & the whole bridge have a bit of the flavor.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago)

also the melodic run in "i love you like xo", which i noted way above felt sorta mia too.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago)

which is just to say they're mining similar territory here

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago)

it feels more like a rihanna-style melody than anything to do with m.i.a. (which might be why it codes as dancehall? even though rihanna doesn't make dancehall for the most part)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago)

"xo" is definitely one of the few songs here i feel could have been meant for someone else at some point - i like it but that's also why it feels relatively negligible

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago)

i guess i should listen to it again but the first time i heard it, it sounded (as someone aptly put it upthread) like Lion King garbage to me

there was maybe the one hook that sunk in but besides that yea

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago)

oh my god i just noticed the amazing humming backing vox on "no angel" >>>>>>>>>

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago)

When I watched the video for No Angel is was also like hearing it for the first time, there's so many awesome details in that track.

MikoMcha, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:41 (eleven years ago)

ditto

surm, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago)

Every time the raspy spareness plummets into aqueous operatic depths of the middle eight I'm like O_O

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago)

XO is joyous and awesome and anyone namechecking the Lion King is only revealing the paucity of their own reference points.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:25 (eleven years ago)

Lol, I think I was the one who said "Lion King" first. I love XO though and was simply pointing out that it was going to be a huge hit.

longneck, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:34 (eleven years ago)

the really weird thing about this album is that even though I generally hate watching music videos, even the videos for uptempo/hard songs are making me cry

longneck, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago)

Re XO and the idea that it "could have been meant for someone else" - I think this is entirely possible but I also think that Beyonce's performance is so inimitable and so next level that it hardly matters.

I mean you could say the same thing of "Schoolin' Life" which theoretically could have been given to any R&B singer who wanted to make a bouncy eighties Minneapolis throwback, but none of them would have taken it to the places that she does.

Consistent with that, and building on the approach she took on 4, for me it's the performances, rather than the songwriting, that are the key to this album.

This is probably why I don't rate "Blow" so highly as some other tracks - it's a great track which is performed as if it could be by someone else (albeit someone awfully good at what they do).

I have a piece on the way which makes the above point "at length".

Tim F, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 23:48 (eleven years ago)

Interesting interview with the creative director of the project: http://www.vulture.com/2013/12/creative-director-todd-tourso-on-beyonc.html

Excited to read your piece Tim!

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Thursday, 19 December 2013 09:46 (eleven years ago)

Blow reminds me of Electrik Red.

MikoMcha, Thursday, 19 December 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago)

very disappointed that the todd tourso interview makes it sound as if Heaven isn't about the miscarriage, esp since i wrote that it was in my review, lol

longneck, Thursday, 19 December 2013 10:42 (eleven years ago)

it's crazy to learn just how recently the bulk of the album was even recorded:

When I met her in June, I think there were three or four songs that made the album that were done already

some dude, Thursday, 19 December 2013 12:50 (eleven years ago)

certainly lends credence to the idea that there was a whole "Grown Woman"/"Standing On The Sun" incarnation of the album that was just scrapped as they kept recording more stuff.

some dude, Thursday, 19 December 2013 12:57 (eleven years ago)

http://thetalkhouse.com/reviews/view/nico-muhly-beyonce

max, Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago)

i just listened to XO again, and the verses sound great. but the chorus reeks of fun. circa 'some nights' and it's nagl.

btw i like rocket more than blow

surm, Thursday, 19 December 2013 15:01 (eleven years ago)

"XO" is seriously growing on me

but oh man that break in "Grown Woman" MS. BEY WHY DID YOU LEAVE THAT OFF THE ALBUM!!!

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago)

the jay z verse on drunk in love is so bad

flopson, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago)

I woke up with XO rattling around my head

which is not such a bad thing imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago)

I know people are somewhat down on 'Mine', but there are two moments on that song that ensure I will never skip it:

- The part where she sings "we're taking this a little too far" and then the song suddenly dissolves and it feels like it might dissolve into itself. The Drake sample that immediately follows is like a rude awakening, and while it overstays its welcome when it appears two more times (to say nothing of the Drake verse), but at that particular moment it really works.

- The muted Love On A Real Train-type synth melody that appears in the background at 4:37 for like two bars and disappears. That's just such a gorgeous little detail to sneak into a song.

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 December 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago)

the jay z verse on drunk in love is so bad

― flopson, Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:25 PM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's bad but i feel like by current jay-z standards it's not even that bad

call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago)

Came here to post Nico's Talkhouse write up <3

fear of zing failure (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 19 December 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago)

also clearly neither of them were drunk in the video

flopson, Thursday, 19 December 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago)

spend that ill-gotten porn star list money on something nice, tim

rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 19 December 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago)

Tim's piece is making me jealous. Nice one!
http://www.complex.com/music/2013/12/beyonce-beyonce-review

longneck, Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago)

it's so great

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago)

beyonce beyonce reviews reviews

freemen (on the) space (seandalai), Thursday, 19 December 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago)

flawless

prolego, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago)

nice one Tim

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago)

While we're posting excellent bey reads need to post one by the rmxbb http://theremixbaby.tumblr.com/post/70489489938/the-first-time-i-listened-to-beyonces-new-album

乒乓, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:15 (eleven years ago)

I liked this one: http://www.randomhouse.ca/hazlitt/blog/anticipating-revolution-beyonce-and-beyonce

Murgatroid, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:29 (eleven years ago)

i will not be reading beyonce beyonce reviews anytime soon, i'll just listen to the songs when i feel like it

surm, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago)

xp that one is excellent

dyl, Thursday, 19 December 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago)

great stuff tim

lex pretend, Friday, 20 December 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago)

albeit i remain unconvinced by your take on "xo" but the rest of it is a+

lex pretend, Friday, 20 December 2013 00:45 (eleven years ago)

Thanks all - it was very fun to write.

Tim F, Friday, 20 December 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago)

i really like this album

it's -- no matter how i try and fight beyonce, i like it

surm, Friday, 20 December 2013 03:53 (eleven years ago)

Every time I hear someone complain about the 'bow down bitches' phrase as being the ~definite proof she is fake feminist, I get so mad.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 20 December 2013 04:18 (eleven years ago)

listening to that song right now

it's insane

surm, Friday, 20 December 2013 04:24 (eleven years ago)

say i look so good tonight

surm, Friday, 20 December 2013 04:24 (eleven years ago)

Blue shoulda really been left off the album :(

surm, Friday, 20 December 2013 04:40 (eleven years ago)

nooooo u cray

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 December 2013 05:42 (eleven years ago)

okay, where is the fuckin' physical release already

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 08:00 (eleven years ago)

I have the physical release. Try a store. Any store. The DVD is great. Preferred way to introduce people to the album tbh.

Popture, Friday, 20 December 2013 09:15 (eleven years ago)

Beyonce's "general air of thoroughly winning at life" :)

MikoMcha, Friday, 20 December 2013 09:23 (eleven years ago)

I'm wondering what nabizco's take on all this is.

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 20 December 2013 12:12 (eleven years ago)

i'll stop off at a store today; i guess i was just expecting this to be on amazon, huh.

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago)

I'm in Canada - should I stop at a store despite the fact that all the places that would still sell CDs don't have it even listed on their website (so I could use the stock checker things they have to see if it's in store)? Should I just, uhh, call them?

Murgatroid, Friday, 20 December 2013 16:07 (eleven years ago)

The individual tracks were made available for purchase today and Drunk in Love has already leapfrogged it's way into the top10 on itunes. Would be kinda bittersweet if she managed to give us our first #1 this year by a black artist.

Greer, Friday, 20 December 2013 17:23 (eleven years ago)

wow is that really the case? haven't been following billboard

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 December 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1525340_10153683117995601_1204217602_n.png

<3

prolego, Friday, 20 December 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago)

Love that pic!

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 20 December 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago)

haha aw

dyl, Friday, 20 December 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago)

also worth noting: rather than put the whole album on spotify, the only tracks available for streaming are "drunk in love" and "xo". i guess the plan is to only make official singles streamable.

dyl, Friday, 20 December 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago)

hmm those would not be my singles choices

surm, Friday, 20 December 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago)

is "blow" not a single anymore and they just moved up "xo" to top 40 early based on reception, or what?

katherine, Friday, 20 December 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago)

yes, that's what i think happened.

Greer, Friday, 20 December 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago)

sorry I'm late to the party, has everyone remarked on how the "Haunted" video is "Justify My Love" meets "The Shining" and how awesome that combination is?

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 20 December 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago)

Tim's call about how it's like something Tori Amos would have made in the late 90s is pretty accurate imo.

MikoMcha, Friday, 20 December 2013 21:03 (eleven years ago)

i'm not sure why they were trying to deny "xo" in the first place

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 December 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago)

maybe a side effect of direct-to-consumer album releases is that labels will have less and less control over what becomes a single

i feel like with the jay z record "tom ford" and esp "fuckwithmeyouknowigotit" became singles because they were organically agreed upon as the hottest songs on the record

tho that of course still had "holy grail" but that was pre-release

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 20 December 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago)

they just had to clear The Lion King sample

Number None, Friday, 20 December 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago)

i thought maybe they'd try to save "xo" for 2nd single so it could be a summer hit, which would be pretty well in line w/ its sound (and presentation in the video)

it is currently lagging behind "mine," "pretty hurts" and "flawless" on itunes rn tho (and "drunk in love" obv) so i think it will be a slow burner

dyl, Friday, 20 December 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago)

Every time I hear someone complain about the 'bow down bitches' phrase as being the ~definite proof she is fake feminist, I get so mad.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

havent read 1 word on this alb other than this thread but anyone saying something like this is legit retarded

johnny crunch, Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago)

amazon also not selling the album: http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/retail/5847794/amazon-not-stocking-new-beyonce-cd-following-itunes-exclusive

article says they are selling the mp3 version but i can't even find that so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

dyl, Saturday, 21 December 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago)

okay, i just bought this at a J+R and I had to HUNT for their music department. I'm going to try to listen to it the way I used to listen to albums on first go: leafing through the liners, not doing anything but following song by song. it's been awhile.

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 December 2013 06:55 (eleven years ago)

havent read 1 word on this alb other than this thread but anyone saying something like this is legit retarded

― johnny crunch, Friday, December 20, 2013 8:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

saying something like this is legit awful

some dude, Saturday, 21 December 2013 12:13 (eleven years ago)

yep

dyl, Saturday, 21 December 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/046fThw.jpg

Lmao

乒乓, Saturday, 21 December 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago)

yea i posted a pj/tori tangent a few days ago RE: ghost/haunted as well, and there's definitely something Bjork/Homogenic going on in places too

surm, Saturday, 21 December 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago)

not sure which of beyoncé's perfectly executed double pronged target shade strategy i prefer more - bey turning up at walmart and handing out $37,500 worth of gift cards to shoppers because she can or her signing a partnership with starbucks to sell the album in starbucks in target stores

prolego, Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago)

hahahahaha that's amazing

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago)

both photo and starbucks

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:27 (eleven years ago)

awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 December 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago)

holy holy holy fucking shit this album

"Rocket" just murdered me

turkey & stfuing (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 December 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago)

Pretty Hurts is the only real clunker here, there's something really clumsy about the way the lyrics scan in the chorus, plus it sounds like it should be on I Am...

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 December 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago)

i like "Pretty Hurts" fine, it's transitional

turkey & stfuing (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 December 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago)

"Pretty Hurts" is a great opener. Harvey Keitel bodied his verse.

some dude, Sunday, 22 December 2013 17:07 (eleven years ago)

"pretty hurts" sounds worse to me on the album (audio-only) version but the video is really moving and a perfect intro to the album, finding meaning in life/love/experiences beyond living up to the pressure of impossible standards

love her belting at the end too

dyl, Sunday, 22 December 2013 17:27 (eleven years ago)

I was skeptical of the whole "visual album" idea but watching the videos is surprisingly satisfying.

SHAUN (DJP), Sunday, 22 December 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago)

So I like the idea and the way she presented it as a video album (I fantasized about Fever Ray doing the same for her album since the videos were following an order and a theme but it never happened) but I'm not a huge fan of Beyonce and the quick peek didn't reveal any standout song.

Any song recommendations for an outsider? Is there anything here that might make me change my mind about her music?

Moka, Sunday, 22 December 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago)

the "visual album" thing is probably the least surprisingly aspect of the project to me, she made videos for every song on B'Day (just eventually, not before the album release) and several non-singles from Sasha Fierce and 4.

i'm still just digesting the audio album, will probably buy the CD/DVD and not watch the videos until i can see them on a TV screen, seems a waste to watch them on a laptop.

some dude, Sunday, 22 December 2013 17:54 (eleven years ago)

i bought the cd/dvd and while it looked great on the tv screen the sound on my tv is not so great, which brought down the overall experience. so actually laptop-viewing has been preferable thus far.

Any song recommendations for an outsider? Is there anything here that might make me change my mind about her music?

on this album you mean? i think the only ones that can be streamed are "drunk in love" and "xo" right now (videos to the others are being yanked down constantly wherever they are posted). there are many songs that are just as good if not better on the album tho.

dyl, Sunday, 22 December 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago)

i like "pretty hurts" but the stuff on here by puss in boots is uniformly the weakest imo

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago)

^^ crazy talk when he was involved in both "haunted" and "partition"

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago)

he's only credited with additional production on partition

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago)

Is it crazy that I haven't watched the videos yet -- like, not a second? Maybe I'll save'em for Christmas Eve.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago)

i've only watched a few of them and i found them to be pretty whatever but maybe i need to watch them all at once

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago)

"blow" is pretty cool actually

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago)

haven't seen any videos yet but all in good time, don't feel it's detracting from the music

turkey & stfuing (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago)

So I looked at the songwriting credits and was kind of amazed to discover that Drunk In Love wasn't actually by Terius, given it's basically the most Terius song imaginable.

I'm unconvinced that Beyonce's naked cooking is adhering to generally recognised kitchen safety standards.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 December 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago)

i wonder how my first impression would have been different had i experienced the album audio-only my first time thru it

i would be tempted to agree that boots's contributions are uniformly the weakest but i absolutely love "blue" so

dyl, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago)

videos are pretty awful for the most part, couple keepers

flopson, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago)

y'all are crazy

dyl, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago)

i like "pretty hurts" but the stuff on here by puss in boots is uniformly the weakest imo

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so rong

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago)

on this album you mean? i think the only ones that can be streamed are "drunk in love" and "xo" right now (videos to the others are being yanked down constantly wherever they are posted). there are many songs that are just as good if not better on the album tho.

― dyl

Well I meant in the album in general... which are the songs that you guys consider to be single-material? Are 'drunk in love' and 'xo' the first singles? I love the video for 'xo' but the songs seem weak compared to previous singles from her that I've found to be instantly likable and original like say 'Countdown' or 'Single Ladies'. There isn't anything that stands out particularly to me on these two songs from first listen.

Moka, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago)

If they're your reference points try "Blow", "Partition", "Flawless".

Tim F, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago)

Nothing here is as immediately catchy or upfront as Single Ladies or Countdown, it's not that kind of album. At a push, Partition is there, but very much an album album, if you get me.

Matt DC, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago)

there's definitely nothing at the level of countdown or single ladies on here

flopson, Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago)

there are parts of the Blow video where she is giving full Olivia in Xanadu & it makes me so happy

also her riding that lowrider roadmaster bike in her big pimp coat is awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago)

"drunk in love" is most singleworthy imo

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago)

I find it oddly a grower though? It took me about five listens to really get into it. Her dancing in the video really helps to get across how good the groove actually is.

Tim F, Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:23 (eleven years ago)

i really want to like that song but i find the production to be completely boring

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago)

lyrically it's great & vocally she kills it and yeah the video helps

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago)

If they're your reference points try "Blow", "Partition", "Flawless".

― Tim F

Alright! Judging by the 30 second previews on youtube these ones are definitely up my alley! Particularly Blow and Partition. Will download the full songs later at home. Thanks!

Moka, Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago)

Blow sounds like a Pharrel song from far away. Is he producing that one?

Moka, Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:44 (eleven years ago)

yep with Timbaland & someone else whose name escapes me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago)

he wrote it too iirc

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago)

Awes lyrics:

"I ran into my ex / said 'what up' to his bestest / now we reminiscin' bout / how we used to flex in texas"

Tim F, Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago)

still can't get over how pedestrian Jay Z sounds on "Drunk in Love." Its like the opposite of "Still Into You": domesticity has dulled his ability to think about translating the domesticity.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago)

That's good. Skimmed on this thread before asking but so far noone had mentioned him involved on this track. It's a very distinctive sound and it seems like the mainstream are catching on with it lately - I mean they've always been paying attention but people seem to be craving this sort of music style more nowadays than in previous years - speaking as someone who has heard nothing but snippets from this it feels like an adequate summer single.

Moka, Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago)

i am really u_u about Jay-Z on "Drunk In Love" - that whole 'Ike Turner /Eat the cake, Annie Mae'
so much wtf

and correct me if I'm wrong but does he really say "your breastses for breakfast" because ._.

that being said I do really dig the song, I just have to LALALA past Jay-Z

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago)

Anna Mae, that was Tina's name.

"Drunk In Love" was one of my least favorite songs on the album from the jump, and now i'm starting to change the station when it comes on the radio. annoyed that the much better Jay/B record "Part II (On The Run)" was just released as a single but will probably get completely eclipsed now.

some dude, Sunday, 22 December 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago)

i know it was Tina's name. that's why I'm wtf. it creeps me out

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 22 December 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago)

right but you said Annie Mae. i was being pedantic because i was annoyed about the whole Kitty Pryde thing where she thought it was "anime" but even after she was corrected she said "Annie Mae."

some dude, Sunday, 22 December 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb5YqmmCQAI5Ieo.jpg

mustread guy (schlump), Monday, 23 December 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago)

i would definitely buy a surfboard jumper

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Monday, 23 December 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago)

i want one that says "good good"

dyl, Monday, 23 December 2013 00:29 (eleven years ago)

Her dancing in the video really helps to get across how good the groove actually is.

― Tim F, Sunday, December 22, 2013 9:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally!

seriously resenting the choice of singles though, especially w/r/t spotifying/youtubing purposes at parties. I NEED ***FLAWLESS ffs

lex pretend, Monday, 23 December 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWnMiO62F18

I'm gonna cry

乒乓, Tuesday, 24 December 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago)

so liiiike, yeah i like this album but -
i skip a lot of the songs. like i skip blow, rocket, sometimes even pretty hurts. i skip a lot. i basically play flawless, no angel, partition, flawless and superpower. and that's it.

surm, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:32 (eleven years ago)

yeahh .... and flawless

surm, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago)

that's crazy to me, "Rocket" is the shit. and "Superpower" has been reinforcing my suspicion that Frank Ocean is just kind of talentless and corny.

some dude, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago)

i dig superpower - b & frank sound good together

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago)

a lot of things are crazy to me. rocket IS the shit, but it's more a social song for me. like if my friend is over. if i'm just playing shit, i dunno.

superpower is ... mellow and low-down and magical. if you listen to it.

surm, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago)

frank's bass is fuckin hot.

surm, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:37 (eleven years ago)

let me sit this bass on ya

some dude, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago)

:)

surm, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago)

if i had to drop one from this album it'd be superpower. but to be fair i don't really skip any tracks.

if anyone still hasn't come around to xo i submit this alternate music video for yr consideration...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GRBjYT9EfU

dyl, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 09:24 (eleven years ago)

Oh my god that's beautiful.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 25 December 2013 09:37 (eleven years ago)

xo chorus still sounding like a iphone commercial

surm, Thursday, 26 December 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago)

yeah, it's great isn't it.

Tim F, Thursday, 26 December 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago)

XO is pretty great already but that video is amazing

SHAUN (DJP), Thursday, 26 December 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago)

The worst article I've ever read! http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/12/18/beyonce_s_new_album_does_it_ignore_gay_lgbtq_fans.html

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 December 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago)

It's bad.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 28 December 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago)

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE GAY LGBTQ FANS????

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago)

“Some days we say words that don’t mean a thing, when you’re holding me tight, I feel alive.” What does that even mean? What do meaningless words have to do with holding a child and feeling alive? Well, these messages taken altogether seem to suggest that children and the vision of the future they embody are what gives life meaning.

IT'S YOUR CHILD OR YOUR GAY LGBTQ FANS, BEYONCE, YOU CAN'T LOVE BOTH

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:05 (eleven years ago)

This article gets everything wrong about iconicity, Beyonce, gayness, and expectations.

'Now ask yourself, as you cling desperately to the scraps your queen has so generously condescended to hurl at you...'

MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago)

not reading beyond the URL because what the actual fuck, the entire career of beyoncé to date refutes it

as nico muhly put it

Of course the answer was that the internet wanted to send me many gigabytes of Beyoncé’s new unannounced album and its attendant videos, and of course I moved heaven, earth, ice, and lava to have my computer in the one square metre of the hotel that could actually make this happen, because I am an homosexual and these Knowlesian dispatches are treated, by cultural necessity, as oracular and as gospel: gnomic, poetic, abstract, and very, very relevant.

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:21 (eleven years ago)

<3 <3

I still haven't sent the videos to this album tho :/

pretty krulls make glaives (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago)

holy shit I am going into full-on rant mode abt this article on Facebook, like this is too much, I can't

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:33 (eleven years ago)

basically the takeaway of this article is "As a gay man, everything needs to be about me, but it has to be about me in the most explicit terms, but these explicit things you've done already aren't enough, you have to do them more, because even though you are a woman of color who has in many aspects made an album for other women of color they can't have that because it needs to be about gay men first and foremost"

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago)

also "If you love your daughter that means that you are so heteronormative and you are shoving in our faces the idea that procreation is the meaning of life and that gay people are unnatural, and yeah gay people can love their kids too but you're not gay so you must only be talking about the love between a straight mother and a child"

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago)

One of the reasons gay men idolize female popstars regardless of their political views or the explicitness of their homophilia is that the stereotypical gay fantasy world merges so seamlessly with the narcissistic queen imagery in which one is the wildly glamorous center of the universe. Also, as a friend of mine very astutely observed, the sexualization of Beyoncé’s body hinges on a celebration of her butt, rather than say, her breasts. As she says in “Yoncé” “ya man aint’ never seen a booty like this.” Beyoncé and gay men’s sexual imaginations are so close they’re practically grinding—what’s not to like?

https://24.media.tumblr.com/480b364db479a75520beeeaa3af48037/tumblr_mky7o7epv21rqfhi2o1_400.gif

prolego, Saturday, 28 December 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago)

JFC this article. I can't believe this is a thing that was a)written or b)published. Subheading should be Waaaaaaaa: A Willful Misreading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzQKECQgjW8

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 December 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago)

can't wait for the follow up where he's all "you guys I was OBVIOUSLY being satirical and if you didn't get that then it's you're fault for being bad at reading"

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 28 December 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago)

A friend, who somewhat agrees with the article, told me about this a week ago and it made me annoyed even in the abstract. The real thing wasn't as bad as I expected, but, as I had already assumed before reading, the Lady Gaga reference at the end gives the game away.

The kernel of truth around which so much bullshit is spun like fairy floss is that the "XO" video always does seem on the verge of turning into "Closer To Free" / "Beautiful" / "Fireworks" but never quite goes there (thank god).

Tim F, Saturday, 28 December 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago)

finally watched all the videos in one sitting. pretty great experience though not convinced that it's necessary as such. hadn't realised the narrative segue from "partition" into "jealous"! "superpower" and "***flawless" are my favourites for obvious reasons, "drunk in love" enhances the song the most (even jay-z's verse). love that she chose to do such a hood rap video for "no angel". is "xo" terry richardson's least pervy video ever? funny that it's one of the few that doesn't dwell on her body. "grown woman" should've been on the main album goddamnit.

really no idea why they chose "drunk in love" and "xo" as the single-not-singles, should've obviously been "***flawless" and "pretty hurts" (which were certainly the two biggest talking points). "drunk in love" is stupidly catchy though, how does she make every line sound like a hook and an ad lib at the same time while abandoning conventional scansion and structure so much

drake really needs to fuck off, he ruins "mine" in a way that not even jay-z's worst verse ever does to "drunk in love"

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago)

"***flawless" gave me real "drink in my cup" vibes and "grown woman" certainly has the spirit of HTBAL about it. knowing that solange adores electrik red, i don't think citing their influence is far-fetched

i feel like "superpower" is the video dawn richard would have made had she had a budget

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago)

"Pretty Hurts" is a great opener but i don't see how it makes any sense as a single. same with "Flawless" (are we really supposed to put three asterisks in front of the title every time? the fuck for?). the cool thing about releasing the album this way is the 'talking point' type songs are out there and getting heard without being singles, i don't think she has to do a Macklemore type singles campaign where each single covers some specific topical ground.

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Saturday, 28 December 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago)

like I said about Drake, Jay Z's rap throws "Drunk in Love' out of whack: he's so pedestrian, has such a cartoonish vision of what marriage to Beyonce is like (as opposed to the vividness of HER cartoon, thanks to her voice firing at all cylinders) that I question her sanity.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 December 2013 22:58 (eleven years ago)

thinking mostly about which full-length videos are on youtube/spotify (because everything else will get decided by the marketplace) - "pretty hurts" is certainly one of the most POW statement videos. it's a strong, catchy song as well - it's obvious about striving for anthemic status but basically gets there, and the chorus always stuck in my head.

the three stars presumably relate to the three stars her girl group get in the competition compared to the winners' four stars

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:02 (eleven years ago)

the relaxed charm of the video (and the strength of the rest of the song) enables me to ignore how lamentable jay-z's actual rap is. drake's problem is firstly that the banging answerphone bits sound dropped randomly in from another song in a bad, jarring way (plus whenever he goes on about good girls i want to punch him so hard), and then his own verse that actually fits with b's song is a total snooze.

who's the male voice who says "hello" in "partition"?

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:04 (eleven years ago)

yeah i still need to cop the CD/DVD and watch the videos, so i can't speak to whether certain videos make tracks feel more like hits. but even then, it's not like it really matters what BET or MTV Hits or Revolt puts into video rotation, does it? i'm assuming all the videos will be on YouTube eventually and people will just watch what they want. xp

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:05 (eleven years ago)

i hope they do all go up officially eventually.

atm the only thing differentiating "singles" from album tracks is the availability of full-length video/spotify presence as far as i can tell and i just feel "pretty hurts" and "***flawless" are more powerful statements as far as that goes. can see why "drunk in love" has been singled out but i don't feel like it says much she hasn't said before, and while i like "xo" fine it's just not remarkable enough to deserve to lead an album like this

lex pretend, Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago)

the nice thing is that all of her albums at this point, including 4, have stayed on the radio for like 18 months after the release date, so i think a lot of songs will get their moment in the sun

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago)

According to Billboard today, the album will likely hold at #1 next week: the first time any one of her solo albums has.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago)

i wonder what will give it a bigger sales bump -- gift purchases of the CD between the 20th and Christmas, or purchases after Christmas with iTunes gift cards people got int heir stockings

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:38 (eleven years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/52KQI4o.png

乒乓, Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:46 (eleven years ago)

lawl

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Saturday, 28 December 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago)

I actually like the Jay-Z verse now. It's all intimate-jokey comfort zone talk in a good way.

longneck, Sunday, 29 December 2013 00:06 (eleven years ago)

depends on your choice of breastfesses foods

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 December 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago)

I think it's funny that he went there. He knew what he was saying and so did she. The video brings out how much of a laugh they're having with what he says in that verse. The faux-rebellious Super Power video, on the other hand, threatens to sink the song.

longneck, Sunday, 29 December 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago)

the real thing that separates singles from album tracks is radio play, as very little of it will be unsolicited apart from stations playing the whole album in the first days after it came out. it makes sense, then, that the songs they are picking as singles are those that seem like natural fits for their respective radio formats. radio play will also have more of an impact on chart potential than streaming will, even with billboard's current methodology that seems to overemphasize the latter.

basically i could see a lot of songs working well on radio and making a big statement and so on, tho i'm unsure about "flawless" (i think a not-insignificant number of pd's would be hesitant about the speech in the middle, for various reasons).

but in some ways it doesn't matter nearly as much as it normally might since so many of these songs will ultimately take on lives of their own -- "flawless" had already done so as "bow down" months before the album dropped. no matter how integral one thinks the videos and the whole presentation are to the album, the way it was packaged has basically forced tons of people to experience all the songs at once.

for the record i would say watching the visual remains my favorite way to experience the album (altho the shortened video version of "rocket" is not quite AS good), and there are definitely certain stretches of it that feel even more of-a-whole and thematically continuous with their visuals than without.

dyl, Sunday, 29 December 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago)

I actually like the Jay-Z verse now. It's all intimate-jokey comfort zone talk in a good way.

― longneck, Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i am okay about it the three g lines suck but it has a kinda weird free associative lonnie holley vibe

mustread guy (schlump), Sunday, 29 December 2013 01:12 (eleven years ago)

Super Power video just feels like a lesser repeat of the Run the World (Girls) video clip.

Flawless is the best video.

Tim F, Sunday, 29 December 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago)

I actually like the Jay-Z verse now. It's all intimate-jokey comfort zone talk in a good way.

― longneck, Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

of all longneck #actually posts this one might hold the least water

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 29 December 2013 07:51 (eleven years ago)

"superpower" is like a more coherent version of "run the world (girls)" imo. closer to the reality of riots and protests, the cops are depicted as the enemy rather than her footsoldiers.

it's not the only link back to a previous video though - "drunk in love" really is a grown version of "baby boy"

lex pretend, Sunday, 29 December 2013 08:01 (eleven years ago)

Super power video is riot kitch.

And xpost: my #actually posts are all on point. Embrace it.

longneck, Sunday, 29 December 2013 16:08 (eleven years ago)

my biggest question with this album so far on a specific level is whether or not yonce all on his mouth like liquor the lyric is derivative or simply dextrous in its use of a common hip hop vernacular a la Rihanna/Nicki Minaj

otoh the actual partition partition half of partition may actually be the best song on the album because it is so BEYONCE

surm, Sunday, 29 December 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago)

yeah "Partition" already seems like the club DJ favorite off the album, so great

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Sunday, 29 December 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago)

it's crazy

surm, Sunday, 29 December 2013 18:51 (eleven years ago)

Apparently the French part of "partition" translates to

“Do you like sex? I’m talking about physical activity, the coitus, do you love that? Men think feminists hate sex. It’s a natural activity that women adore.”

!!

The Reverend, Sunday, 29 December 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago)

yup :)

surm, Sunday, 29 December 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago)

ouai ouai, et ça vient du "The Big Lebowski".

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Sunday, 29 December 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago)

cool

surm, Sunday, 29 December 2013 21:53 (eleven years ago)

i loooooooove the french-spoken parts, so fab

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 29 December 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago)

it's v enigma

surm, Sunday, 29 December 2013 23:45 (eleven years ago)

haha yes!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 December 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago)

everything about this is awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b1loWJfxaA#t=74

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 December 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago)

beyonce with cornrows <3_<3

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 30 December 2013 16:56 (eleven years ago)

he monica lewinsky'd all on my gown is really a precious lyric

surm, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago)

based on the novel push by sapphire?

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago)

lol

surm, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago)

4 just came on by accident, really hard album to compare to

surm, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago)

superpower gets better every time

surm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago)

so far "i care" about 5 songs on this album, which is less than 4, the album, but anything could happen in 2014!

surm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 16:53 (eleven years ago)

Jealous still baffling me

surm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago)

"jealous" is much more interesting from a narrative perspective than a sonic one but its narrative is really interesting! one of the few pop songs to grapple with how complex an emotion jealousy actually is

lex pretend, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago)

I tried so many times to get into 4 but just couldn't apart from the odd song. This one has clicked straight away with me. Current favourites are Blow, Haunted, Superpower, Blue (love how the piano just appears at the 1.15 mark) and Rocket which may have just replaced Schoolin' Life as my favourite song of hers. I can't think of a better bit in a song this year than the "What about the ching ching ching" and the "Babybabybabybabybabybaby" bits.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:11 (eleven years ago)

"jealous" is sonically interesting too! like a huge number of bey's vocal 'moments' from the album are in that song alone, just selling the emotion so honestly that it's very nearly heartbreaking. it makes what would be 'merely good' to me one of my favorite songs on the album.

dyl, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago)

i'm just so confused by the chorus of girls in the chorus

surm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago)

i'm like ... is that supposed to be Vanessa Williams-era gospel on a car radio in the Honda Civic? or is that ... something else?

surm, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago)

Between this and the Dawn Richard, I think this is the year I realized I like R&B most when it's really wussy :)

Re-reading Nico's thing yesterday, I'm curious as to where all these strings are that he wants to replace with real ones, I heard actually no fake strings. Anyway, a weird thing to bang on about

pretty krulls make glaives (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago)

maybe he just means broadly that he'd rather any ethereal synth patch on the album be live strings, i dunno.

Ella Maria Finally Rich-O'Connor (some dude), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago)

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/when-beyonc-samples-your-ted-talk-this-is-what-happens-to-your-book/282610/

Strangers look on with a discernible, barely contained ‘wow’. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:13 (eleven years ago)

been saying "i woke up like this" multiple times per day w/o context, p good holiday season phrase

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago)

I love the ending of Jealous, where the it goes four to the floor and seems to build to something, but then just stops. Great way to end the song.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 13:59 (eleven years ago)

i did wonder if she'd get some mither for the Challenger sample

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jan/01/nasa-criticises-beyonce-challenger-sample-xo

piscesx, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:08 (eleven years ago)

yeah i gotta admit, that's a bad move

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 04:53 (eleven years ago)

i still don't even get the point of the sample. although i liked how it sounded starting off the track, not knowing the context.

ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Thursday, 2 January 2014 05:30 (eleven years ago)

It's been 28 years. Still too soon? As far as I'm concerned (and I've been more closely linked to NASA my whole life than most people), audio from that day is up for grabs.

Cereal. Killed it. No spoon. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 2 January 2014 06:43 (eleven years ago)

songs i care about count has gone up to 6 btw

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

almost at 50%!!

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

i don't know how i feel about the haunted verse, or Beyonce singing about the 9-5 struggle, but then the bass hits and the song is worth it so i dunno

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:25 (eleven years ago)

it also reminds me of Erotica in the middle which is cool, and the chorus vocal is solid

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:29 (eleven years ago)

i hope dj's bump flawless a good amount o_O

it gets better and better over the course of the song

surm, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:38 (eleven years ago)

https://vine.co/v/hVYvJLih90P

hahaha

prolego, Friday, 3 January 2014 12:53 (eleven years ago)

:D

Cereal. Killed it. No spoon. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 January 2014 15:48 (eleven years ago)

amazing.

piscesx, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:04 (eleven years ago)

oh the shade of it all :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:19 (eleven years ago)

I mentioned to a friend that BEYONCE is a great record to listen to in the dark. "So it's a darkroom record", he concluded. That was not what I meant, but… at a big multi-floored new year's party someone who's right here with me had "Partition" and "Drunk In Love" buzzing in their head all the fucking time as they were exploring the grounds. So yes, a darkroom record.

breastcrawl, Friday, 3 January 2014 18:24 (eleven years ago)

lololol that clip

surm, Saturday, 4 January 2014 04:39 (eleven years ago)

great work from Wolk here: http://www.wired.com/underwire/2014/01/beyonce-challenger-sample-xo/

some dude, Saturday, 4 January 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)

^^^^^^^

Tim F, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:18 (eleven years ago)

Love the idea of the sample as a memento mori, that hadn't occurred to me before but feels totally right.

Tim F, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:18 (eleven years ago)

my boof boof won't let me play Beyonce anymore

surm, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

oh wait he's gone

surm, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:28 (eleven years ago)

Is he out in his bu', bu'-riding?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:30 (eleven years ago)

somethin like that :) :)

surm, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:32 (eleven years ago)

currently waiting for him to leave the house so i can listen to flawless

surm, Sunday, 5 January 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)

ugh the comments on that wolk article :S

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Sunday, 5 January 2014 20:57 (eleven years ago)

Anyone else find it both hilarious and sad that these, um, "urban" idiots think that the only way people will remember a SPACESHIP EXPLODING will be through their meaningless, throwaway pop song?

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE

dyl, Sunday, 5 January 2014 22:03 (eleven years ago)

You know, I don't mind "Mine." It's aight

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 January 2014 12:47 (eleven years ago)

Well-written review: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18821-beyonce-beyonce/

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 12:58 (eleven years ago)

when Beyonce says "I got little things" I imagine she's talking about Blue Ivy, when Drake says "I got little things" I imagine that squirrels and other woodland creatures are standing on his shoulders.

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 13:02 (eleven years ago)

like squirrels and woodland creatures would go near that creep

lex pretend, Monday, 6 January 2014 13:08 (eleven years ago)

you have no chill, christ

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 13:09 (eleven years ago)

Like a squirrels and woodland creatures wouldn't get their claws all caught up in his stupid sweaters

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 January 2014 14:42 (eleven years ago)

I am having a hard time deciding if I think "Haunted", "Blow" or "Partition" is the best song of Beyonce's career

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 16:28 (eleven years ago)

"blow" never quite gets there for me

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:17 (eleven years ago)

the bridge is really good but the verse-chorus is only ok i think

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:19 (eleven years ago)

wow, exact opposite effect for me. the bridge is hideous

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:20 (eleven years ago)

No, you two are hideous.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:20 (eleven years ago)

i'm talking about the ~30 seconds or so that comes immediately before the "turn that cherry out" part

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:33 (eleven years ago)

"the timbaland part"

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:39 (eleven years ago)

oh okay i feel that

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:40 (eleven years ago)

To me the song has that quiet burbling vibe, complete with unexpected harmonies, of Prince's "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker."

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:43 (eleven years ago)

blow is just aite IMO

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 6 January 2014 17:53 (eleven years ago)

i would like blow a lot more if it had a harder climax or if b would drop the JT phrasing

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 January 2014 18:09 (eleven years ago)

I can't really deal with the lyric "tear that cherry out".

Tim F, Monday, 6 January 2014 20:30 (eleven years ago)

nah I feel the same on the rare occasions I drink milkshakes

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 20:32 (eleven years ago)

i think jordan's right that it's "turn that cherry out." still of cringeworthy as is, though, especially the way timbo says it. i'd be happy with an edit of this album with zero male voices.

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 20:39 (eleven years ago)

I can't really believe I lived 40 years on this Earth without the lyric "tear that cherry out".

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 20:39 (eleven years ago)

(I have playing that song on repeat a whole bunch and I am about 90% certain Beyonce is singing "tear" and Tim is saying "turn" because he was terrified of getting arrested)

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 20:41 (eleven years ago)

otm - this is basically my take also

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 January 2014 20:53 (eleven years ago)

it also fits in with the visceral sexual aggression of the "EAT THE CAKE, ANNA MAE" line on "Drunk In Love" and the "punish me, please" cooing on "Rocket"

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 20:58 (eleven years ago)

All the online lyric sites have Beyonce saying "tear" and Chorus of Timbo saying "turn", which is also how I hear it.

Tim F, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:15 (eleven years ago)

yeah bey's website says that too

dyl, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:19 (eleven years ago)

yeah Tim's horrible voice rings in my ears so much after the album's over that i tend to forget Beyonce even says anything in that section of the song

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:19 (eleven years ago)

It sounds like "turn" to me too so that's what it will be.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:20 (eleven years ago)

I know everyone is different etc but I really can't comprehend complaining about anyone else's voice on this album given Drake

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:22 (eleven years ago)

drake sounds especially bad on this album

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:23 (eleven years ago)

you all had better learn to deal with it because 'Mine' is such a clear radio smash waiting to happen.

Greer, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:29 (eleven years ago)

Drake is like the ugly kid pulling on his mom's dress because he shit in his pants.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:30 (eleven years ago)

i am already completely ok w/ "mine" becoming a huge cross-format radio hit

dyl, Monday, 6 January 2014 21:31 (eleven years ago)

you all had better learn to deal with it because 'Mine' is such a clear radio smash waiting to happen.

this is precisely why I bought a car that I could plug my phone into; haven't needed to listen to the radio in two years

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:32 (eleven years ago)

Elitist.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:55 (eleven years ago)

proud of it, too

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

Alfred killing me on this thread

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 January 2014 21:59 (eleven years ago)

Drake aside "Mine" seems like one of the less radio-friendly songs on the album imo. even "Rocket" seems less in need of being trimmed down to less than 6 minutes to work as a single.

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:03 (eleven years ago)

I can't really believe I lived 40 years on this Earth without the lyric "tear that cherry out".

― SHAUN (DJP), Monday, January 6, 2014 8:39 PM (1 hour ago)

the other day i sat down with some friends who'd not heard the album and we watched all the videos, in a row, and it was mostly an amazing experience except when it came to this line one of them said 'is this lyric about... a prolapse?' and everything was ruined

if you're happy and you know it, it's false consciousness (c sharp major), Monday, 6 January 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

although it's possibly wishful thinking that i imagine "Rocket" and "Partition" being the songs that rule R&B radio through the 2nd half of 2014, i really have no idea how the singles campaign is gonna shake out given how unpredictable 4's was. xp

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

the video edit of "mine" is 5 minutes which is not exactly prohibitively long

dyl, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:07 (eleven years ago)

ah i haven't watched the videos so i didn't know any of them chopped the songs down. do they just take out the piano intro? the song just feels kind of linear and rambling to me.

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:11 (eleven years ago)

c#, thank you so much for the wonderful belly lol

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 6 January 2014 22:11 (eleven years ago)

wow c sharp,I feel v unwell and also am loling hard

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 January 2014 22:46 (eleven years ago)

'Mine' has been in the UK top 100 these last 2 weeks. biggest seller after XO and Drunk.. didn't see that coming. Blow nowhere to be found.

piscesx, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:59 (eleven years ago)

it's been an early big seller in the US too, which i assume is as much because it's one of the 2 songs with a big star featured on it as anything else. but i haven't heard DJs play "Mine" remotely as much as "Partition" or "Blow."

some dude, Monday, 6 January 2014 23:02 (eleven years ago)

i still haven't heard "partition" OR "blow" on radio :( "mine" is actually the one that my r&b station played most on release week

do they just take out the piano intro?

actually the piano intro is left in, instead it cuts out everything after the beat sort of collapses and drake starts rapping meanderingly

dyl, Monday, 6 January 2014 23:12 (eleven years ago)

i don't think i like blow much, though i do always inevitably end up singing turn/tear that cherry out (i alternate)

the rest could have been bigger

surm, Monday, 6 January 2014 23:23 (eleven years ago)

the opening melody feels like she's just humming on the street, but not in a "this could be a great song way", more in like a, what am i gonna get at the supermarket way

surm, Monday, 6 January 2014 23:24 (eleven years ago)

Almost through my first play of 4 in quite a while (certainly my first full listen since the s/t was released). I'd forgotten how hilarious the transition from "I Was Here" to "Run The World" was. Also adore how a guitar solo appears 2/3rds of the way thru "I Care" when there's no guitar in the rest of the song.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:12 (eleven years ago)

^^ yes. Also how Beyonce doubles it on vocals like Plant did Page.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:13 (eleven years ago)

Rather Die Young is better than I'd remembered (recalled hating it initially?) The sequencing is so wack but at the same time it's kind of great how it opens with 3 fuck-off ballads and that love on top > countdown > end of time run is pretty unimpeachable

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:14 (eleven years ago)

isn't the I Care guitar bridge the one where she sings along to it? pretty sure. it's amazing.

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:19 (eleven years ago)

o sorry alfred just said that

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:20 (eleven years ago)

yeah "I Care" singing along with the guitar is easily top 5 things Beyonce has ever done on a non-hit song

some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:34 (eleven years ago)

4's sequencing is actually one of the reason's adore it so much - the hard graft put into her relationship in the opening tracks makes the joy of "love on top"/"countdown"/"end of time" feel that much more triumphant and earned.

it's beyoncé being all "look long-term monogamy is damned hard but fuck it if those five key-changes in "love on top" and BOOF BOOF by the end don't make it seem the most worthwhile thing in the world".

prolego, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:37 (eleven years ago)

Apparently the spotify tracklisting is completely different and has Love On Top as the opener.

mums go off when i enter the building (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:40 (eleven years ago)

and i love "start over" so so much as the album's pivot point.

MAYBE WE'VE REACHED THE MOUNTAIN PEAK AND THERE'S NO MORE LEFT TO CLIMB > goes into fucking "love on top" that seems to never stop peaking

prolego, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:41 (eleven years ago)

yeah 4's track order definitely makes the best of an extremely varied collection and gives it a triumphant arc.

xp lol that new Spotify tracklisting is craaazy, but hey it has "Schoolin' Life"

some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:42 (eleven years ago)

"Schoolin' Life" is on my very short list of essential deluxe edition tracks.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:42 (eleven years ago)

ah the time when bey would re-release past albums with re-worked tracklists on itunes, drop snippets and random adverts all to just hype bait. feels so long ago now :)

prolego, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:47 (eleven years ago)

yeah the spotify tracklisting fucked with me a lot and i don't like it

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 00:51 (eleven years ago)

on my personal tracklisting i cut out "party" for "lay up under me" followed by "schoolin' life" and axed "i was here" and "run the world" for "dance for you" as the closing song (which extends the album's triumphant finish while winding down). makes for a pretty flawless listen.

prolego, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:03 (eleven years ago)

That would work well.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:44 (eleven years ago)

i wasn't into schoolin life - and i still think of party p fondly as a song that woulda been on the 'a different world' soundtrack

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 01:56 (eleven years ago)

OMG Beyonce is like your special subject of wrongness.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:32 (eleven years ago)

haha. i know, i seem to have a difference of opinion on Beyonce in certain matters.

songs i don't listen to on this album:
Blow
Drunk In Love
XO
Heaven
Blue Ivy

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:43 (eleven years ago)

heaven coulda been grand but it was poorly produced

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 02:44 (eleven years ago)

ok guys we can stop discussing that lyric

https://vine.co/v/hY0UiQxl2zF

some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:01 (eleven years ago)

Sharing skittles with an ally also a legitimate Hunger Games strategy.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 03:11 (eleven years ago)

i feel like there's an inevitable bey/treyvon skittles thoughtpiece brewing up somewhere on the web

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 04:28 (eleven years ago)

haha nooooooooooo

some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 04:36 (eleven years ago)

i'm gonna ask y'all to post it here when you find it

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 04:42 (eleven years ago)

"Schoolin' Life" is adequate at best

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 05:09 (eleven years ago)

<_<

k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 January 2014 05:34 (eleven years ago)

aaaaaaaand we have our first "ban forks" of 2014

le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 06:02 (eleven years ago)

cannot comprehend any opinion on "schoolin' life" which isn't "most life-affirming song ever"

in terms of singles, "pretty hurts" already sounds like an x factor/american idol anthem-in-waiting. cosign the sentiment that if "mine" sounds like/will be a radio smash, that's just another reason not to listen to the radio. i don't have to deal with anything on that front.

jay-z on "drunk in love" is becoming a bit like jay-z on "umbrella" - initially it was awful to endure and by any measure they're terrible verses but when it comes down to it i find myself not wanting to excise him? like, i don't particularly want a solo version.

i love how bey goes so freeform structure-wise on "drunk in love" and "rocket" - almost every line sounds like a spontaneous and unpredictable ad lib

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 10:12 (eleven years ago)

on my personal tracklisting i cut out "party" for "lay up under me" followed by "schoolin' life" and axed "i was here" and "run the world" for "dance for you" as the closing song (which extends the album's triumphant finish while winding down). makes for a pretty flawless listen

Totally copying this btw.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 10:31 (eleven years ago)

btw right now at this second, the most life-affirming song ever is "World Clique" by Deee-Lite

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 15:26 (eleven years ago)

Think you may mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2vyZAQAco

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 19:02 (eleven years ago)

"Schoolin' Life" is adequate at best

― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:09 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i found it over the top and obvious, and the style doesn't really suit her

coulda done a lot with that beat

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 19:33 (eleven years ago)

sounds kind of like a grade B Mary J track

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)

I had some criticism of it at the time that I don't remember any more

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 20:46 (eleven years ago)

oh yeah

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 20:53 (eleven years ago)

I like "schoolin life" a whole lot but there are a couple observations, and I call them that because they aren't rlly criticisms but might come off that way, which is that the song is very melodically affecting but not very melodically distinct; when I start singing it in my head it starts to become the verses of "you shook me all night long" (esp the part with the line about "american thighs") or whitneys "$100 bill"

I'm also fairly sure that we have a bias towards certain prince esque aesthetic maneuvers that make dreams cartoony imitations appealing simply because they are fresh in our current context - a "good kind" of revivalism. I think that part of why I do like this so much is that its being done on a huge stage with a big pop artist, so it feels like these moves "matter". context feeds into why I like this a lot, basically

― *rolls eyez on me* (D-40), Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:11 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 20:53 (eleven years ago)

and now that we know "4" was kind of a fall-off it almost un-justifies the Prince retro maneuver... if it had been more successful...

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 20:55 (eleven years ago)

not sure if this is what you are saying or not, but i think my problem with the song is that it is too easy a revival without much distinction of its own (Beyonce's vocals are more belabored than distinctive IMO). i felt very similarly about Love On Top.

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 20:59 (eleven years ago)

just thinking about it makes me wanna listen to I Didn't Mean To Turn You On instead, which is obviously in a class of its own - or KP's Birthday, a fresher take on Prince-revivalism

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:01 (eleven years ago)

4 is prob my fave bey album

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:21 (eleven years ago)

and now that we know "4" was kind of a fall-off

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 8:55 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

erm NO

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:22 (eleven years ago)

i assumed he meant commercially?

some dude, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:23 (eleven years ago)

I did too, which is why I kept my visceral "erm NO" reaction to myself

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:33 (eleven years ago)

^^

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:37 (eleven years ago)

In the abstract it makes sense to reduce "Schoolin' Life" to being just another appealing Prince rip (this would certainly work for Jazmine Sullivan's still-very-good "Don't Make Me Wait"), but for me a huge amount of the appeal is derived from the specifics of the performance.

You can hear it in the rhythm of Beyonce's vocals winding around the choppy beat, but the song is also a superlative example of the kind of vocal over-investment which Beyonce has gradually set up as her calling card, the way she makes the delivery of every line count in a distinct manner - "This is for them pretty somethings living in the fast lane - see you when you crash, baaaaabe". Any decent R&B singer could have done a good job with "Schoolin' Life" but I don't think anyone else would have gotten inside the delivery as successfully as she does (in this regard it becomes super-important to distinguish between personalised songwriting and personalised execution - this is also my point w/r/t "XO").

The same is true for "Love On Top", so it makes a perverse sort of sense that surm feels underwhelmed by that tune as well.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:42 (eleven years ago)

it's informed by Beyonce being herself a pretty something in the fast lane

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:44 (eleven years ago)

I think the difference for me is that "Love On Top" is telling a story that I buy into and therefore can get behind the self-indulgent vocal exhortations, whereas I do not buy the story told in "Schoolin' Life", which makes the vocal exhortations sound cartoonish and overdone.

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:45 (eleven years ago)

i think i feel underwhelmed by both bc her vocals are, as you said, over-invested. i definitely don't need to be schooled that bad. the vocal delivery on both songs is like the big head in the clouds effect. too much. those kinds of beats do a lot for me with a more minimal, textural approach.

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:47 (eleven years ago)

(xp) And part of me not buying the story in "Schoolin' Life" is me not connecting to the beat in any way, which just leaves the vocals even further out to dry.

Really, the whole thing reminds me of Beyonce getting into a grunt-off with Jennifer Hudson and Anika Noni Rose at (I think?) the Oscars and really not being able to hang (it could also have been the Golden Globes).

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:47 (eleven years ago)

Well by "over-investment" I don't literally mean over-singing, I mean trying to make the line expressive as possible, and Beyonce often gets there by choosing not to belt. "Schoolin' Life" has a relatively high belt-quotient for her but for me I see that as what the song demands (whether you "buy" the song's story is a separate question I suppose; not connecting to the beat in any way is pretty crazy though); viewed more broadly it's part and parcel with the central quest of BEYONCE.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:52 (eleven years ago)

one of the things that was notable about bey's delivery on "schoolin' life" was how spontaneous and loose it was - it would've been so easy to go along with a retro beat in a sorta formulaic way but it really feels like she's trying to bust out of the beat - like it can't keep up with her at times. and that spontaneity, the way she turns ad libs from decoration to the things that lead the song, is what really distinguishes her vocal performances on the s/t.

which is kinda what tim said though "xo" is probably the most conventional/least remarkable delivery on the new album!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:54 (eleven years ago)

Yes, right - but as I said above I think a lot of Beyonce's talent as a vocalist is that she's not always trying to do the same thing, she's not always trying to "bust out of the beat", and when she chooses that mode of delivery it's because it's what's called for at that particular moment (this is a way in which she really grew b/w B'day and 4/BEYONCE IMO).

We're never gonna agree on "XO" obviously but we can use a different example like "No Angel", where a certain kind of under-singing becomes as much the fulcrum of that song as the oversized spontaneity of the vocals are w/r/t "Schoolin' Life".

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 21:59 (eleven years ago)

as pointed out upthread beyoncé is kind of hoarse/exhausted-sounding on "xo" which i don't think is a particularly conventional way to sing that song

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:03 (eleven years ago)

i understand what you're puttin down Tim, but for me, "expressive" does not translate to the overtly high-belt quotient on that song. i needed a lot less there. and the lyrics are kinda silly c'mon.

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:03 (eleven years ago)

if you wanna talk no angel, yeah, i definitely could've used some of that turned up a notch on the schoolin life track.

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:04 (eleven years ago)

Given how much I loathe "Promise", I am shocked by how much I like "No Angel"

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

Oh yeah def meant commercial fall-off ...

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:09 (eleven years ago)

no angel >>> promise

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:17 (eleven years ago)

"Jealous" to me is a master's class in restraint.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:17 (eleven years ago)

who needs a degree when ur challopsing life, damn o_0

prolego, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:18 (eleven years ago)

Challopsin' Life

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:23 (eleven years ago)

"No Angel" is amazing esp the swooping strings

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:24 (eleven years ago)

This is for them trollin' somethins, saying "IMO" ain't gon' always get you out of everything...

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:48 (eleven years ago)

I think the difference for me is that "Love On Top" is telling a story that I buy into and therefore can get behind the self-indulgent vocal exhortations, whereas I do not buy the story told in "Schoolin' Life", which makes the vocal exhortations sound cartoonish and overdone.

― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:45 PM (1 hour ago)

let us be real and admit you are a music nerd who digs the key changes

k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:51 (eleven years ago)

oh man now "promise", is nothing sacred

k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:57 (eleven years ago)

How many generations of people do I have to tell "Promise" sucks? I've been saying this since the so g came out.

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:58 (eleven years ago)

yonce's performance on no angel is in my top 3 for her, no doubt

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 22:59 (eleven years ago)

How many generations of people do I have to tell "Promise" sucks? I've been saying this since the so g came out.

― SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 10:58 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's part of your punishment for being so wrong about this.

Tim F, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:07 (eleven years ago)

promise is probably in my top 10 songs of all time

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

that's not even an exaggeration

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

I am trying to read these thoughts about "Promise" without reaching for a machete.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

promise is probably in my top 10 songs of all time

― pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 11:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:13 (eleven years ago)

yup

k3vin k., Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:16 (eleven years ago)

i like promise a lot but it is not in my top 10 by a long shot

surm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:18 (eleven years ago)

Ciara fell of with "Oh"

SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 04:37 (eleven years ago)

What's the appeal of Beyonce?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 09:44 (eleven years ago)

Genuinely baffled here as to why we're all meant to think she's THE MOST AMAZING WOMAN IN THE WORLD! SO FIERCE!

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 09:45 (eleven years ago)

have you heard the album? do you even like r&b or pop?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:02 (eleven years ago)

nah, tbh, i should probably just bail from this. She's terrible but I speak from a position of ignorance. I'm probably more bored of the endless discourse than anything.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:12 (eleven years ago)

but if someone wants to explain the cult of personality surrounding here that'd be great.

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:15 (eleven years ago)

her consistently excellent music going back over a decade + latter-day internet stan culture

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:21 (eleven years ago)

What's the appeal of Beyonce?

― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 09:44 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nah, tbh, i should probably just bail from this. She's terrible but I speak from a position of ignorance. I'm probably more bored of the endless discourse than anything.

― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:12 Bookmark

hah replace beyonce with techno and this is my exact thought process every time i check the 2k13 "dance" eoy list thread

r|t|c, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:30 (eleven years ago)

it's probably what i feel about vampire weekend though i do make the effort to listen to as much as i can of at least one song per album cycle so i do KNOW how terrible they are

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:32 (eleven years ago)

it's possible to like yoncé AND vampire weekend, guys !
maybe the two best albums of 2013 for me...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:53 (eleven years ago)

idk what it says that "xo" took a step up in my estimation once i realised it was about death

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 12:04 (eleven years ago)

also, i really appreciate that "heaven" and "blue" both devolve into mantras; "heaven couldn't wait for you", "hold on to me", the intonation slightly different each time as if she's trying to make sense of the words by singing them in different ways

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 12:07 (eleven years ago)

yeah she's probably never been a "there's the chorus, loop it a few times" type singer, but with the last two albums you really get a sense of her varying her delivery throughout every song and giving each performance an arc. the latest making-of video with her talking about singing "Rocket" and not wanting to stop and the song just going on and on is so awesome.

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:04 (eleven years ago)

"rocket" is just...i can't even grasp it as a song, as a structured thing; her performance is so spontaneous and intimate that i am right there as she's singing every line and in that moment i cannot think about the past or the future. it's an absolutely incredible piece of work and i can totally believe it could have gone on forever

LIKE SEX

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:09 (eleven years ago)

or laundry

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:28 (eleven years ago)

"Rocket" affects me in a similar way i guess, there are points where it brings me to tears and i think that's more thru vocal inflection than thru the lyrical "content" of what she's singing, tho the lyrics are great. it's maybe in my head a bit like a hyper-intense "Sensual World" or something

Emilia Fabbo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:35 (eleven years ago)

i am not in this thread so much because i'm just besotted with the whole album and don't want to think about people's critiques even tho they seem valid and reasoned mostly

Emilia Fabbo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:36 (eleven years ago)

rockets and waterfalls

http://www.hometips.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/clothes_washing_machine_parts_diagram.gif

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 13:37 (eleven years ago)

she talked a bit about "rocket" in this clip

"It takes you through this journey. You know, you're flirting, and you're talking all of your arrogant shit; and then, you climax; and then, you have your cigarette."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFXJGr7sYDk

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:13 (eleven years ago)

Rocket is possibly her best vocal performance, on ballads at least it's so much of a better look for her than Pretty Hurst/I Was Here-style clumpy stadium belters.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:31 (eleven years ago)

I'd agree but then "Jealous" comes along.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:34 (eleven years ago)

Pretty Hurst/I Was Here-style clumpy stadium belters.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:31 Bookmark

yeah bit late for euro 96 luv

r|t|c, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:56 (eleven years ago)

I know it's been mentioned a few times already, but the fact she was able to keep this whole project under wraps considering how elaborate it all is truly blows my mind.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 15:04 (eleven years ago)

a stadium belter about Patty Hearst, now there's an idea

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 16:01 (eleven years ago)

haha I was about to post "someone call Weird Al"

SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 16:01 (eleven years ago)

I have nothing but respect for Beyonce, but I've never been deeply affected by her music. I find her interesting in an abstract way, as a cultural/political icon, a fountain of energy & inspiration for people. I'll eventually give this album a full listen when I have the time & patience. I watched the "XO" video and it was pleasant. I think I just don't have my ears trained to that kind of music enough, which makes me think I should listen to more of her inspirations so I can get a better feel for it. Or maybe it's just not for me. idk.

Mmm yes hello (crüt), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 18:34 (eleven years ago)

by inspirations i mean her musical influences.

Mmm yes hello (crüt), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 18:36 (eleven years ago)

That's exactly how I felt until 4.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 18:38 (eleven years ago)

if you're not that into it it's okay. you don't have to study up to be on the 'right page' or w/e -- leave that to the 16-year-olds queueing up the rateyourmusic canon on spotify

dyl, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 18:53 (eleven years ago)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:23 (eleven years ago)

the truth bomb that needs to be lobbed at everyone who suddenly feel the need to publicly grapple with their distaste for a pop star after a few critics have said their album is really good

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:24 (eleven years ago)

although tbf that applies more to Wight Dorke than crut, who seems to be coming at this from a p honest place

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)

I'd rather have people grappling and maybe coming to the conclusion that it's not for them than someone saying that so-and-so sucks. Maybe I follow a lot of r*ck*sts on my feeds but those type of people have a lot of trouble saying that something, esp when it's pop, is simply not for them than saying that wtf this sucks why do you listen to this shit

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)

i can relate to crut in ways -- Beyonce has always had a Mena Suvari in American Beauty effect on me. i always want her to be more interesting -- there's something in her voice that leaves me cold in places where another singer wouldn't. however, and it's a big however, every time she comes out with a new album, i marvel at how her catalog has grown and changed and stacked up in enormous and surprising ways. she has a lot of fine, fine tunes that have deeply affected me.

surm, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:38 (eleven years ago)

yeah, there's certainly something to be said for Beyonce sometimes being boring or less than the sum of her parts even from an R&B standpoint -- the way she looms over her genre, and especially women in her genre, sometimes seems a little ridiculous and serves to minimize how many other great singers are also making great records without a fraction of the same recognition. right after this album in particular, though, i'm feeling very "you don't like her? cool, I don't need to hear about it" towards her, though.

some dude, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)

i never quite felt like surm but i certainly recognise that...i wouldn't say issue with beyoncé, but it was certainly there. fairly or unfairly, i felt like the shadow she had to get out of in certain quarters was MJB - this idea that beyoncé and her struggle-free existence could never sing as rawly as MJB. feel like once i began accepting that that comparison wasn't fair to either artist and that this idea of privilege/perfection were central to beyoncé's music, and could be interesting themselves - and when she seemed to notice this too! - the idea of beyoncé being an immensely important and great artist was more plausible

lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 19:48 (eleven years ago)

wight dorke!

balls, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 23:30 (eleven years ago)

i can't stop listening to this record. "Just like you I can't be scared, just like you I hope I'm spared" Beyonce sings as I realize how multifaceted her albums have been. like an athlete, she has tried a lot of different things. she's put herself in a lot of different arenas. Not all of them have worked, but from Dangerously In Love to 4, and now ***BEYONCE, the most interesting thing about Beyonce is not her talent itself, albeit immense, but the fact that it has taken shape over the course of her career. it feels like she's been trying to figure out exactly where her talents lie this whole time, like a chameleon finding her voice. and she's not done yet.

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:43 (eleven years ago)

it feels like she's been trying to figure out exactly where her talents lie this whole time

Beyonce's trick is to do what you just said yet sound completely assured at every uncertain step.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:44 (eleven years ago)

I don't want to throw down about it, but I thought this album was super boring. She's still an amazing vocalist.

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:48 (eleven years ago)

o snapp

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 00:49 (eleven years ago)

u do always get someone making the same criticisms but i was and still am feeling that there's an air of dissent burdgeoning among her more commonplace fans (if never the #teambey lifers obv)

really i actually kind of think that in its v claustrophobic, near-exhausting intimacy there's like a plausible ambiguous undercurrent to this album where beyonce in every song explores, interrogates, seduces, reasons, quarrels, essentially attempts to relate with her audience/adulators with the objects of songwritten affection as disposable proxy - the only way she knows how to address her complicity is thru histrionic almost psuedo-mythically grandiose narcissism (if finney's having last train to parapsychosis perhaps i shall draw for egotica). kinda like a relationship therapy sesh but in the form of an hour long private dance, innumerable costume changes and thespian manoeuvres (pageant the pain away kids) but all the while the same eyes steadily accusingly pleadingly lustfully boring directly into your soul

could say 'pretty hurts' is like the schismic false start scene-setting, familiarly anthemic terrain but something rotten in the state of denmark - the absurdity of america's poster girl for perfection glibly decrying "the disease of a nation", culminating in the magnificently oblivious joke of "are you happy with yourself? ....yes!" cool thanks bey (well idk about u but i lolled v hard)

good thing i mentioned denmark cos oh here's the GHOST (in the sheets) (later: "i know i drive you crazy, but would you rather that i be a machine?") with bey furiously ruminating on our spoonfed pluralized eyes workin 9 to 5 just to stay alive (later: "bring your work home on top of me, ima let you be the boss of me"). then HAUNTED the almost-paranoiac spy vs spy cold war symbiosis of "i'm onto you you must be onto me", kremlinology of complicit diva-dom

jay appearance on 'drunk on love' works not because anyone cares about she and him together but because he becomes (just as he does for bey herself) the avatar of the audience's own narcissism, pined-for power and success (respect? thorny) personified. "feeling like an animal with these cameras all in my grill / no complaints for my body, so fluorescent under these lights" even in this song's ostensibly uncomf intimacy courting gaze (later: "let me take this off, will you watch me / yes mass appeal")

eh shall i carry on, ok "must be good to you" - sub/dom duty/power responsibility

baby put your arms around me / tell me i'm the problem

i just wanna be the girl you like, the kind of girl you like, take all of me, the kinda girl you like is right here with me

'jealous' well this one writes itself, this is where it all comes out, key to the album imo - afterwards rocket the triumphant make-up song, fully at ease and fearlessly revelling in the spotlight

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 January 2014 01:20 (eleven years ago)

yea pretty hurts is pretty lolworthy no matter how enjoyable it is

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:13 (eleven years ago)

i can't stop listening to this record. "Just like you I can't be scared, just like you I hope I'm spared" Beyonce sings as I realize how multifaceted her albums have been. like an athlete, she has tried a lot of different things. she's put herself in a lot of different arenas. Not all of them have worked, but from Dangerously In Love to 4, and now ***BEYONCE, the most interesting thing about Beyonce is not her talent itself, albeit immense, but the fact that it has taken shape over the course of her career. it feels like she's been trying to figure out exactly where her talents lie this whole time, like a chameleon finding her voice. and she's not done yet.

― surm, Thursday, January 9, 2014 12:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah this is the thing that this album really drove home for me and what I ultimately wanted to capture in my review if I failed to capture anything else.

Tim F, Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:18 (eleven years ago)

that makes me happy xo

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:20 (eleven years ago)

u do always get someone making the same criticisms but i was and still am feeling that there's an air of dissent burdgeoning among her more commonplace fans (if never the #teambey lifers obv)

This is what I would expect, though in fact my direct experience with IRL people is the opposite, though I guess it depends on definition of "commonplace fans".

really i actually kind of think that in its v claustrophobic, near-exhausting intimacy there's like a plausible ambiguous undercurrent to this album where beyonce in every song explores, interrogates, seduces, reasons, quarrels, essentially attempts to relate with her audience/adulators with the objects of songwritten affection as disposable proxy - the only way she knows how to address her complicity is thru histrionic almost psuedo-mythically grandiose narcissism (if finney's having last train to parapsychosis perhaps i shall draw for egotica). kinda like a relationship therapy sesh but in the form of an hour long private dance, innumerable costume changes and thespian manoeuvres (pageant the pain away kids) but all the while the same eyes steadily accusingly pleadingly lustfully boring directly into your soul

this is otm though

Tim F, Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:25 (eleven years ago)

wight dorke!

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flopson, Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:26 (eleven years ago)

wight dorke!

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rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 9 January 2014 02:38 (eleven years ago)

egotica!!

i think one of the crucial things about this album is that "partition" is framed as pure fantasy...

lex pretend, Thursday, 9 January 2014 08:10 (eleven years ago)

i just did a search for all the mentions of the word flawless in this thread

good job guys

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 13:36 (eleven years ago)

Have we done a break down of people and objects refered to on this album, like someone did for Yeezus?

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:40 (eleven years ago)

just FYI though Nelly Furtado's song of yesteryear Glow >>> Blow

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:00 (eleven years ago)

xp dunno but i think it might be a smart idea

surm, Thursday, 9 January 2014 15:00 (eleven years ago)

Haunted would have been better if the 'what goes round' refrain were used more, it's pitch-perfect little piece

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:49 (eleven years ago)

though tbh the whole track is so all over the place that i haven't been able to make heads or tails of it, except that i keep thinking of Madonna, and Tori Amos, and PJ Harvey

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:50 (eleven years ago)

Played Beyonce for a good friend visiting. We had drunk a little while and gotten mildly stoned, so when he admitted he hadn't heard this album I ran to the computer remembering how great "Jealous" and "Rocket" would sound. Sure enough -- he didn't say anything for the length of "Rocket" until the end: "Daaaamn." There's a particular joy when friends get your music.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 04:57 (eleven years ago)

yea, especially rocket. lounge music.

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 06:38 (eleven years ago)

btw i was hoping you would post again, about jealous, bc it's such a you tune

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 06:39 (eleven years ago)

haha is it? How so?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 12:53 (eleven years ago)

just something in the mix. doesn't surprise me at all. and the chorus.

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:59 (eleven years ago)

also the flex in texas line kills. thing that pisses me off about Drunk In Love is that the verse is so beautiful, and then, not so much.

surm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:02 (eleven years ago)

flex/tex-s/jeal-us is just its own beautiful poem

mustread guy (schlump), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)

yeah that's my favourite bit.

Tim F, Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:06 (eleven years ago)

u guys!!!

http://shriverreport.org/get-the-latest-published-shriver-report-free/

prolego, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:23 (eleven years ago)

i can't @ future pulitzer award winning beyoncé knowles-carter stealth releasing an academic feminist essay on us tomorrow

prolego, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:25 (eleven years ago)

"Rocket" immensely improved for me when my friend suggested it was about how she's a squirter.

On a side note, "Schoolin' Life" never struck me as Prince redux, it's totally Tina Turner.

The Reverend, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:46 (eleven years ago)

ok it's only three paragraphs, false alarm. still cool tho

prolego, Sunday, 12 January 2014 01:14 (eleven years ago)

xp would that perhaps also make 'xo' about jiggaman erectile dysfunction

r|t|c, Sunday, 12 January 2014 01:54 (eleven years ago)

yea good essay. also agreed it is true that Beyonce has been doin Tina Turner lately xxp.

surm, Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:58 (eleven years ago)

on a more thematic level, my question about this album would probably be what does Beyonce mean when she says she woke up like this? does pretty really hurt for her? or is this more a distanced observation of the machine? because on a certain level, these songs could be read as an ode to mental illness. but i don't think Beyonce is mentally ill. still, the songs themselves resonate in a powerful way I'm not sure she expected. i woke up like this.

surm, Sunday, 12 January 2014 14:58 (eleven years ago)

does Beyonce really think she's flawless?

surm, Sunday, 12 January 2014 15:02 (eleven years ago)

Obviously, 'Yoncé all on his mouth like liquor' is about squirting as well.

Frederik B, Sunday, 12 January 2014 15:06 (eleven years ago)

Frederik posted on the thread and the thread got sicker

some dude, Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:25 (eleven years ago)

my question about this album would probably be what does Beyonce mean when she says she woke up like this? does pretty really hurt for her? or is this more a distanced observation of the machine?

one of the interesting things about the album is bey's self-awareness about her own persona and image. you know...living embodiment of perfection, where that perfection is specifically tailored to everything that her cultural moment demands. and her deep & abiding love of and interest in money, or rather the economics of emotional circumstances. and, indeed, being an essentially private artist - not a MJB wearing her life on her sleeve, but someone who puts distance between what she actually lives and what she sings about (or how she sings about it). and this album continues what she arguably began on 4 w/r/t tearing down her own walls. i read "pretty hurts" as fighting perfection from within - i think it's a very self-aware song and a lot of its power derives from beyoncé having propagated perfection so well for the past decade. "flawless" is an attempt to redefine perfection that ends up necessarily vague - "i woke up like this" could mean so much and ultimately it means what you need it to mean. "i woke up like this, a hungover mess with bed hair but comfortable in my skin so screw you"; "i feel and look at the top of my game but despite what it took to get me like this, i actually woke up like this because it was in me all along".

"what about that ching-ching-ching" at THAT exact moment is such a sly wink to bey's (previous? or continuing) love of money!

lex pretend, Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:36 (eleven years ago)

imo my reading of "I woke up like this" is a reworking of the common brush-off some women give of the time taken to put on makeup get hair right etc ...like fuck no i didn't DO this, this is how I always look. but in the context of flawless b uses it as a battlecry, a reclamation, THIS is how I look, no matter what "this" entails

imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:48 (eleven years ago)

oh wait lex already said that but better nvm ignore me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:48 (eleven years ago)

it's a really interesting line - aside from what it ~means, it SOUNDS so triumphant/defiant - one of the moments on the album where, like, i feel power coursing through me when it happens. "x gives me life" is internet stan cliché talk at this point but that line makes it very real

lex pretend, Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:51 (eleven years ago)

I WOKE UP LIKE THIS
I WOKE UP LIKE THIS

lex pretend, Sunday, 12 January 2014 18:51 (eleven years ago)

"what about that ching-ching-ching" at THAT exact moment is such a sly wink to bey's (previous? or continuing) love of money!

ha yes!

and don't forget she sings "probably won't make any money off this, oh well" at the end of the "ghost" intro before she launches into the album proper. she might be putting money aside but its a conscious investment decision - she's still defining taking such an artistic risk in economic terms

prolego, Sunday, 12 January 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)

lex i feel exactly the same way, it's a total rush

surm, Monday, 13 January 2014 04:43 (eleven years ago)

it's definitely the most meaningful song on the album for me, which is funny considering its overall brashness

surm, Monday, 13 January 2014 04:49 (eleven years ago)

and tbh i've gotten into the monologue

surm, Monday, 13 January 2014 05:10 (eleven years ago)

the synthwork is impeccable

surm, Monday, 13 January 2014 05:11 (eleven years ago)

i found a used copy of this last night for $11, snapped it up. this sounded enormous driving through hollywood at night. also i kept thinking of that shitty review posted upthread from that dude whose name i forget and isn't important anyway and the vitriol is all the more hysterical and very nabisco-steepling-his-fingers-at-cocorosie levels of "interesting."

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 13 January 2014 05:41 (eleven years ago)

Outraged that such a thing as a "used copy" of this album exists. WHO WOULD GIVE IT AWAY?

lex pretend, Monday, 13 January 2014 08:01 (eleven years ago)

Also, I don't know how much her CD (or CDs in general) go for in the States, but over here in Canada, it's only like $14 for the set, which isn't much more than the 11 you slapped down for a used copy.

11 for a used CD/DVD set in general sounds like a bad deal.

Murgatroid, Monday, 13 January 2014 08:07 (eleven years ago)

it runs for $22 on amazon, $19 new in the store i bought it at. $11 wasn't bad!

the girl at the checkout counter was surprised to see a used copy.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 13 January 2014 08:11 (eleven years ago)

Heard "***Flawless" at the club tonight. Goddamn goddamn goddamn.

The Reverend, Monday, 13 January 2014 10:25 (eleven years ago)

i heard a DJ play "Bow Down" the other day and loop it for a couple minutes, and i was like wow this really gets old fast if it doesn't turn into "Flawless" or even "I Been On" after a minute

some dude, Monday, 13 January 2014 12:48 (eleven years ago)

fwiw, it was just the "Flawless" part, not the "Bow Down" or interlude parts

Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Monday, 13 January 2014 18:45 (eleven years ago)

I kinda assumed as much, your post just reminded me of something loosely related.

Does anyone know what the asterisks in "***Flawless" are about or why we should possibly bother typing them every time?

some dude, Monday, 13 January 2014 18:58 (eleven years ago)

the challenger girls tyme receives three stars

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2014 19:01 (eleven years ago)

oh shit hahahaha

some dude, Monday, 13 January 2014 19:17 (eleven years ago)

lol I hadn't made that connection either!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 13 January 2014 19:24 (eleven years ago)

this is on grooveshark

gonna listen 2 dis event album

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 13 January 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)

Siri pronounces it as if she's being bleeped, as I found out today when I told her "play flawless" xp

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 13 January 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)

the challenger girls tyme receives three stars

maybe that's why she used the Challenger explosion clip

rob, Monday, 13 January 2014 20:31 (eleven years ago)

Heard "***Flawless" at the club tonight. Goddamn goddamn goddamn.

― The Reverend, Monday, 13 January 2014 10:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

O. M. G.

also amazing at the three stars connection! i just thought it was cuz it's the best song on the album ;)

surm, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 00:10 (eleven years ago)

i think jay z sounds pretty stupid on drunk in love

surm, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 18:00 (eleven years ago)

yeah I am having a hard time getting with that part

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:53 (eleven years ago)

what's most annoying is how incredible the rest of that song is. you really just have to grit your teeth til jay's verse is over

lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:54 (eleven years ago)

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)

the worst part of almost every major label R&B album now is one or several guest raps that add nothing to the songs so it's whatever to me

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:55 (eleven years ago)

we have to hold our breathlessses
hope for deafnesses

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:56 (eleven years ago)

listened to this once

it's....kind of a slog

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)

there's cool stuff

but i feel like every song is 1:30 longer than it should be

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)

ah, right, you're more of a 4 guy, aren't you

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:16 (eleven years ago)

i haven't heard 4

you guys don't think some of the songs feel too long?

there seems like a lot of good stuff on here

but yeah kinda long like the timberlake album IMO...but that was not as good this has a lot of memorable hooks etc

not hating on it but in some ways it seems like this whole thing, from the way it was released to the music to the kinda arty presentation and interludes etc - was literally created in a lab to create a collective ilx boner

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)

2 of my favorite tracks are over 6 minutes, but so is my least favorite, so i won't say i feel one way or the other about the song lengths.

this feels like a very "we weren't looking at the clock when we made this, and neither should you" kind of album, though.

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:22 (eleven years ago)

i don't dislike drunk in love but it feels like the longest song in the world

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:24 (eleven years ago)

It certainly feels like the clumsiest thing on the album to me

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

not hating on it but in some ways it seems like this whole thing, from the way it was released to the music to the kinda arty presentation and interludes etc - was literally created in a lab to create a collective ilx boner

― ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:19 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha, yep

flopson, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:34 (eleven years ago)

very sweet of one of the world's biggest stars to make her most acclaimed album all for the pleasure of one message board

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:56 (eleven years ago)

she loves you rascals

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:12 (eleven years ago)

http://cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/03/beyonce-1.gif

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:13 (eleven years ago)

it was actually thoughtful of beyonce and daft punk to have those focus group FAPs.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:18 (eleven years ago)

someone rewrite the lyrics to XO to reflect ILX, quick

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:27 (eleven years ago)

lol xp

Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)

I love you like XP

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:01 (eleven years ago)

you kill me boy flag post

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:04 (eleven years ago)

modder, change up the thread title please

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

http://cdn.popdust.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/beyonce-jayz-laughing.jpg

"Bey..girl I'm tellin u, lex pretend ain't gonna know what hit em lol"

ilx snitch (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:06 (eleven years ago)

It's not like Jay and Beyonce couldn't get our IP addresses anyway.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:15 (eleven years ago)

NSA what, NSA who

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:18 (eleven years ago)

Nobody zings how we zing, they're just hopelessly trolling

Tim F, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:50 (eleven years ago)

hahaha

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 03:47 (eleven years ago)

you guys

k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:21 (eleven years ago)

wasn't jay gonna stop saying "bitch" as of a couple years ago or something?

k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:39 (eleven years ago)

iirc he was going to stop saying anything after the black album

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:41 (eleven years ago)

lol

k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:42 (eleven years ago)

I kind of agree with UMS but I also think this is pretty much worthy of its length. it sounds better the louder you play it too.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 04:52 (eleven years ago)

I found my ears glazing over on first listen actually, it was only on about the third listen that I started to think "hey you guys actually this is amazing."

Tim F, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:40 (eleven years ago)

see a doctor abt that earwax, tim :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 05:42 (eleven years ago)

people are arguing against "drunk in love" being amazing?

dyl, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 07:55 (eleven years ago)

it's okay, but never a favorite on the album for me and i'm already good and sick of hearing it on the radio

some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 11:49 (eleven years ago)

the chorus is lazy. impressive but lazy. and Rihanna's Drunk On Love happened a couple of years ago. and she was also belting about being drunk with love and at some it's just like, take another minute and think about this. still the verses are gorgeous.

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:38 (eleven years ago)

the chorus is halfway to an idea that could have been really great.

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:39 (eleven years ago)

comparing love/sex to intoxication or addiction is kinda old hat at this point -- there were, what, 3 songs with that theme on the last Ciara album?

some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:48 (eleven years ago)

yup

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:50 (eleven years ago)

like even if the chorus said "enough" instead of "in love" the song woulda been 1000x better

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:51 (eleven years ago)

"Drunk Enough"

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:51 (eleven years ago)

haha good luck with your rewrites, sir. i'm not a huge fan of the song but i wouldn't say it needs an overhaul.

some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:53 (eleven years ago)

;)

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:55 (eleven years ago)

haha surm otm

flopson, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 16:22 (eleven years ago)

"drunk in love" is better than any of the recent intoxication-as-metaphor songs i've heard other than elle varner's "refill". i mean, sure, its chorus isn't *that* great and jay's verse certainly inspired groans at first but it's still a completely beguiling song. i think maybe on this song more than any other on the album beyonce just sounds so effortless and playful and joyful, almost as if ad-libbed (even if that's evidently not the case).

plus i think its lyrics + the imagery in the video are pretty important and powerful wrt the themes that the album develops along its runtime but i don't wanna bore anyone.

dyl, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:33 (eleven years ago)

"drunk in love" really transcends its ordinary constituent parts imo. the chorus is only five words long but it's so immense.

lex pretend, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:36 (eleven years ago)

thx flopson <3 <3

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:57 (eleven years ago)

btw i've also decided that mine is a p beautiful song, and that Drake's verse sucks :|

surm, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 20:58 (eleven years ago)

I never read "Drunk In Love" as about being drunk with love or intoxication-as-metaphor, just good drunk sex. It even sounds more like she's singing "drunken love" more than "drunk in love".

Fetchboy, Thursday, 16 January 2014 18:29 (eleven years ago)

hmmmm yes that is true, the lyrics make it quite obviously literal even tho much of it is about just basking in the ~feeling~ etc. i'm not really sure why were comparing it to rihanna's "drunk on love" anyway.

dyl, Thursday, 16 January 2014 19:53 (eleven years ago)

BC it is the same analogy and they both belted full throttle on it on the chorus

i get it. your love makes you drunk. let's move on.

surm, Thursday, 16 January 2014 23:09 (eleven years ago)

if you're looking for a good pop song about love as a vice (yeah i know, but this is R&B etc) - at the risk of sounding like a broken record, Leighton's Your Love's A Drug is a much better bigger high. that's just me. i'm p sure i won't have a rally crew backing me up on this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv4san1xIi0

but whatever happens, let's not talk about kesha, please.

surm, Thursday, 16 January 2014 23:14 (eleven years ago)

or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJYcmq__nDM tbqfh

surm, Friday, 17 January 2014 02:15 (eleven years ago)

wow, remember kesha?

k3vin k., Friday, 17 January 2014 02:21 (eleven years ago)

i'm yelling timbeeeer

i think it's the actual drinking (liquor, watermelon, etc.) that's making beyonce drunk, not the love. boy she's drinkin'.

dyl, Friday, 17 January 2014 02:32 (eleven years ago)

oh man, "Timber" is so terrible and yet it is so.... "charming" isn't the right word, maybe "absurdly delightful"?

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 17 January 2014 02:34 (eleven years ago)

Pitbull is seriously my Taste-Kryptonite, I am helpless against everything he releases

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 17 January 2014 02:34 (eleven years ago)

goddd that song. not the cotton-eyed joe update i needed.

call all destroyer, Friday, 17 January 2014 02:40 (eleven years ago)

i gotta admit that the beginning of 'drunk in love' is pure magic

surm, Friday, 17 January 2014 02:48 (eleven years ago)

Dan, you shouldn't have admitted that

Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 17 January 2014 03:30 (eleven years ago)

look, when you find yourself liking a song like "Timber" you have to realize that you've excised all vestiges of shame from your life

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 17 January 2014 03:41 (eleven years ago)

"timber" is amazing and pitbull is overall a good thing for pop, this is beyond question

the boring central metaphor of "drunk in love" is absolutely not what makes it great, it's the giddiness of bey's performance and the spontaneity of the freeform second verse and the way the chorus does so much with so little and the way the beat sounds light-headed and tipsy

lex pretend, Friday, 17 January 2014 08:10 (eleven years ago)

yeah i think people are overworking the metaphor angle, i hear it as about being really drunk and that heightened emotion you get that generally ends up toppling over into maudlin but separating the words or the ideas from the performance seems wrong to me

can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 January 2014 08:38 (eleven years ago)

also Pitbull is what all unselfconscious party-times dance-pop shd sound like and i pity the uptight

can't believe people like things (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 January 2014 08:39 (eleven years ago)

xxpost also the dancing in the video

Tim F, Friday, 17 January 2014 08:42 (eleven years ago)

"Timber" makes me want to contribute to rolling disgruntled shootings thread 2010

Emined - FAP God (The Reverend), Friday, 17 January 2014 08:48 (eleven years ago)

yeah totally tho i was just focusing on the song

what is the word for that kinda twinkly synth rollercoaster underpinning the entire song? that is the most crucial thing about the beat, it's so propulsive and really keeps you right in the moment

xp

lex pretend, Friday, 17 January 2014 08:49 (eleven years ago)

i dunno but it's cool

surm, Friday, 17 January 2014 13:48 (eleven years ago)

at this point Pitbull on Miami radio is as ubiquitous as Gloria Estefan in '91 when even garbage like this got airplay.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 14:10 (eleven years ago)

lol Gloria Estefan ft Pitbull

surm, Friday, 17 January 2014 14:23 (eleven years ago)

you watch

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 14:24 (eleven years ago)

how has that not happened yet!

lex pretend, Friday, 17 January 2014 14:26 (eleven years ago)

It did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXE5GdLII-s

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 14:28 (eleven years ago)

shutup

surm, Friday, 17 January 2014 14:48 (eleven years ago)

Last night I fell half asleep with "Partition" on repeat for like an hour and I heard it in my dreams

queen bey backers (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 19 January 2014 14:40 (eleven years ago)

it's charting on the hot 100 from unsolicited radio play i think

dyl, Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:16 (eleven years ago)

yup, DJs love that one

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Sunday, 19 January 2014 18:18 (eleven years ago)

easily the best track on the album

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 January 2014 19:04 (eleven years ago)

i found a jay-z free edit on "drunk in love" on tumblr if anyone's interested

http://a.tumblr.com/tumblr_my2exlQyQA1qbrc7uo1.mp3#_=_

prolego, Monday, 20 January 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

i feel an immense sense of satisfaction replacing the original version in itunes

prolego, Monday, 20 January 2014 17:14 (eleven years ago)

She's performing at the Grammys.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Monday, 20 January 2014 17:14 (eleven years ago)

she and Jay-Z were announced as performers at the same time, which makes me almost kinda bummed that it'll almost certainly be a "Drunk In Love" performance. dare i dream for a medley, even just with "Part II (On The Run)"?

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Monday, 20 January 2014 18:20 (eleven years ago)

so weird that you rep for that song

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 January 2014 18:23 (eleven years ago)

it seemed like everybody agreed it was a standout when the album dropped? not that 'best song on MCHG' is such a huge distinction. but it's so good, one of the few recent Timbaland productions that doesn't annoy me with recognizable tics he's done better in the past.

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Monday, 20 January 2014 18:28 (eleven years ago)

i dunno that song is "change clothes"-level chintzy to me

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 20 January 2014 18:30 (eleven years ago)

huh? that's weird. its vibe is like smoldering noir imo.

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Monday, 20 January 2014 18:42 (eleven years ago)

Pitchfork interviews Boots: http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/9309-beyonces-muse/

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 17:46 (eleven years ago)

Isn't On The Run(Part II) the next MCHG single getting a radio push? A Drunk in Love/On The Run medley doesn't sound out of the question.

That P4k piece has some great stuff.

Greer, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:05 (eleven years ago)

would "drunk in love" be a little raunchy for the grammy people? idk, i can't remember the past few years' grammy ceremonies at all

dyl, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:51 (eleven years ago)

i haven't read the pitchfork interview yet but i'm glad it's titled "beyoncé's muse" instead of what it easily could have been titled from that publication

dyl, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:52 (eleven years ago)

i'm glad she's opening up (and letting others open up) about the collaborative efforts behind her music

it actually makes her look much more involved than when she used to use the first person for everything

prolego, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 18:57 (eleven years ago)

"What goes up/ ghosts around" is still so smh, it's like he mixed up "what comes around goes around" and "what goes up must come down" before he even thought of the hideous punny part

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 01:46 (eleven years ago)

Agree re that line, though I think the slide from "onto you / onto me" into "haunting you / haunting me" works really well.

Tim F, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 03:21 (eleven years ago)

Yeah I mean, "Ghost"/"Haunted" is prob one of my favorite tracks on the album, even with that line

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 12:12 (eleven years ago)

Listened to this album yesterday and thinking maybe now it's my favourite of last year.

"No Angel" in particular seems so ~next level~ on just about every front. That pseudo-operatic bridge followed by the plunge back into bassy minimalism and the way the beat does this kinda reversed explosion and Beyonce murmurs "ride around..."

Tim F, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 12:16 (eleven years ago)

i can't actually really listen to No Angel, it's too perfect, and it resonates with me in ways i didn't know were possible

ghost/haunted is fine i guess

surm, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:21 (eleven years ago)

my coworker just asked me to turn up drunk in love. it's blasting in the office, a little scared of the neighbors.

surm, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:25 (eleven years ago)

o shit partition bout to blow up this office, next customer who calls is gonna have to enjoy it

surm, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 15:38 (eleven years ago)

i didn't listen to Beyonce today.

surm, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:29 (eleven years ago)

"XO" made me cry while walking through Toronto around 3 am the other night

struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Friday, 24 January 2014 07:45 (eleven years ago)

I've had several damn near lettin' em roll moments to "XO"

The Reverend, Friday, 24 January 2014 23:05 (eleven years ago)

the most amazing thing about that song is how heartening and life-affirming it makes melancholy seem (the video helps, obv)

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 24 January 2014 23:09 (eleven years ago)

Word. It's so bittersweet!

The Reverend, Friday, 24 January 2014 23:10 (eleven years ago)

the other day i heard "XO" on the radio for the first time while i was driving across the Bay Bridge and it sounded really amazing with that view

one second I'm a goons, then suddenly the goons is me (some dude), Friday, 24 January 2014 23:29 (eleven years ago)

kinda sucks that beyonce tracks were eligible for the 2013 poll--xo and partition were certainly top 20 songs

call all destroyer, Saturday, 25 January 2014 03:32 (eleven years ago)

i feel like for every person who has nearly or full-on cried to "xo" (i am in this camp) there are at least three more who think it's the worst song on the album, no better than any other piece of tedder schlock-pop... so top 20 idk.

we'll get over it. i remember wanting to vote highly for "ass on the floor" a couple years back even tho it had already placed 77th (i think) in the prior poll.

dyl, Saturday, 25 January 2014 04:07 (eleven years ago)

listening to "***Flawless" a little drunk it suddenly strikes me as really weird that my current favorite song begins and ends with the voice of Ed McMahon

rob, Saturday, 25 January 2014 04:57 (eleven years ago)

yeah dyl i think yr assessment is correct. i really want to like both xo and drunk in love bc of the beautiful verses in each, but both refrains are just ... a little off. sonically. some kinda disconnect.

surm, Saturday, 25 January 2014 10:46 (eleven years ago)

i made my friend Mae Mae listen to the album last night, i like forced her. when i was in the bathroom some songs came on and when i got out she was like, this is good

surm, Saturday, 25 January 2014 12:05 (eleven years ago)

whenever i think about Beyonce clearing the Ed McMahon sample on the album i picture her having a conversation like "oh, is he dead now? i guess he shouldn't have been a hater."

one second I'm a goons, then suddenly the goons is me (some dude), Saturday, 25 January 2014 12:31 (eleven years ago)

haaaa

Tim F, Saturday, 25 January 2014 14:17 (eleven years ago)

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2014 18:07 (eleven years ago)

when Beyonce says "I got little things" I imagine she's talking about Blue Ivy, when Drake says "I got little things" I imagine that squirrels and other woodland creatures are standing on his shoulders.

― some dude, Monday, January 6, 2014 8:02 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol lol lol

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:46 (eleven years ago)

i am the last person on earth to buy this album. it's amazing.

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:46 (eleven years ago)

some dude also otm about all the unwelcome male voices

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:47 (eleven years ago)

the stretch from "no angel" to "rocket" kills me

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:47 (eleven years ago)

all the other songs are amazing, too, except "superpowers" and the chorus to "pretty hurts"

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:49 (eleven years ago)

omg that some dude post is actually the funniest thing ever

flopson, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:49 (eleven years ago)

i have been singing "xo" for days

horseshoe, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:50 (eleven years ago)

1. ***Flawless
2. Blow
3. XO
4. No Angel
5. Drunk in Love
6. Partition
7. Rocket
8. Superpower
9. Haunted
10. Heaven
11. Pretty Hurts
12. Jealous
13. Blue
14. Mine

imo

The Reverend, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:57 (eleven years ago)

oh fuck ok i'll do it too

1. Rocket
2. XO
3. ***Flawless
4. Partition
5. Haunted
6. Pretty Hurts
7. No Angel
8. Blue
9. Blow
10. Jealous
11. Heaven
12. Drunk In Love
13. Superpower
14. Mine

one second I'm a goons, then suddenly the goons is me (some dude), Sunday, 26 January 2014 02:10 (eleven years ago)

1. ***Flawless
2. Partition
3. Rocket
4. Blow
5. Superpower
6. XO
7. No Angel
8. Jealous
9. Pretty Hurts
10. Haunted
11. Mine
12. Drunk In Love
13. Blue
14. Heaven

Murgatroid, Sunday, 26 January 2014 02:15 (eleven years ago)

mine's changed from upthread obv.

1. ***flawless
2. no angel
3. yoncé/partition
4. rocket
5. drunk in love
6. ghost/haunted
7. blow
8. heaven
9. superpower
10. pretty hurts
11. xo
12. jealous
13. blue
14. mine

lex pretend, Monday, 27 January 2014 09:53 (eleven years ago)

I'm sure no matter how many people rank the tracks itt, i'll be the only person who doesn't put "Heaven" OR "Blue" in the bottom 3. they both sound great and work well as a comedown from everything that you've been through in the course of the album imo.

some dude, Monday, 27 January 2014 10:00 (eleven years ago)

hmmm

1. Rocket
2. XO
3. ***Flawless
4. Partition
5. Blow
6. Haunted
7. No Angel
8. Drunk in Love
9. Pretty Hurts
10. Superpower
11. Jealous
12. Mine
13. Heaven
14. Blue

struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Monday, 27 January 2014 10:02 (eleven years ago)

re: "heaven" and "blue" i think i'm mostly really picky about ballads

how badly do we all want a drake-free version of "mine"

struggle blogger (Andre Gunder Frank 3000), Monday, 27 January 2014 10:04 (eleven years ago)

there's not much i like about the song even ignoring his contributions tbh. that beat just sounds lightweight and awkward.

i do kinda like the part that briefly resembles the intro to White Zombie's "More Human Than Human," though.

some dude, Monday, 27 January 2014 10:26 (eleven years ago)

Blue is lovely. I really like the melody on the verses and love when the drums kick in.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 27 January 2014 11:50 (eleven years ago)

some dude i'm with you on both "Blue" and "Heaven".

Tim F, Monday, 27 January 2014 13:39 (eleven years ago)

Blow
Jealous
No Angel
Rocket
XO
Partition
Rocket
***Flawless
Haunted
Heaven
No Angel
Pretty Hurts
Drunk in Love
Superpower
Mine
Blue

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 13:53 (eleven years ago)

Share similar feelings re: heaven and blue particularly. Bottom 3 for me would be Mine, Pretty Hurts, and Superpower.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Monday, 27 January 2014 13:55 (eleven years ago)

Yep.

Tim F, Monday, 27 January 2014 13:58 (eleven years ago)

I imagine Blue and Heaven have real resonance for people who've had those experiences

Everyone basically agrees about Mine, ha

lex pretend, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:03 (eleven years ago)

with the right treatment, Heaven could been less heavy and more fleshed out. She needs some high notes pinned up in the back.

surm, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

the heaviness is what makes it what it is imo - less of that might make it more listenable on a regular basis but perhaps less affecting at a time in your life it might be needed

lex pretend, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:34 (eleven years ago)

I was not going to do this but resistance seems futile at this point

Ghost/Haunted
'Yonce/Partition
Blow
No Angel
XO
***Flawless
Heaven
Blue
Pretty Hurts
Rocket
Drunk In Love
Jealous
Mine
Superpower

also I kept trying to figure out which songs I was missing from Alfred's list before realizing he listed "Rocket" and "No Angel" twice

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2014 14:34 (eleven years ago)

Rocket
Partition
***Flawless
Drunk in Love
Blow
No Angel
Haunted
Mine
XO
Blue
Jealous
Superpower
Heaven
Pretty Hurts

The opening of 'Mine' is probably one of my top 3 favorite moments on the album, the rest of it less so, but I still like it. Rocket continues to amaze and astound me every time I listen.

Greer, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:36 (eleven years ago)

there are a bunch of moments in "Mine" that are really spectacular, and then after almost every one Drake happens and I'm thrown out of the mood

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2014 14:40 (eleven years ago)

yr right Lex, it does need to be heavy. i think the main problem is that it is just sort of monotonous in terms of texture.

surm, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:48 (eleven years ago)

the important thing is superpower last, and haunted and no angel in top 5

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:31 (eleven years ago)

still loving superpower. definitely subtle but it swells in all the right ways.

surm, Monday, 27 January 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

"Superpower" is helping solidify my impression that "Novacane" and "Thinking 'Bout You" were flukes

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:43 (eleven years ago)

lol yes

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:49 (eleven years ago)

Yeah...that is the song that improved the most for me upon watching the video, though, gives it a cool ominous atmosphere. Hoping someone remixes it without the doot doot doots at some point, though.

some dude, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:08 (eleven years ago)

1. ***Flawless
2. Blow
― The Reverend

Agreed.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 27 January 2014 16:11 (eleven years ago)

blow is total midtier imo

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 27 January 2014 16:47 (eleven years ago)

it's a great song, well written, funny, but not the most original record

rap steve gadd (D-40), Monday, 27 January 2014 16:47 (eleven years ago)

yeah i agree, though it's not a slight on it at all. probably the song that's most elevated by bey's charisma/delivery - you can imagine it being rather rote in anyone else's hands. but she carries the nudge-wink stuff off with just the right insouciance, and her timing is superb

lex pretend, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:51 (eleven years ago)

"Blow" is by no means a "Blurred Lines" knockoff but I always vaguely hear it as being v designed with that effect in mind. Especially since it was initially announced as the pop radio single before they switched to "XO."

some dude, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:00 (eleven years ago)

I absolutely hear it in that same vein of breezy, fun disco song, only I think it works much, much better than "Blurred Lines".

SHAUN (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2014 17:02 (eleven years ago)

top 3
1. Partition
2. XO
3. ***Flawless

cerealbar, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:04 (eleven years ago)

I'd said elsewhere that on '4', Beyonce had jumped on the breezy disco revivalism almost a full 2 year before it got big on radio with songs like 'Get Lucky', 'Blurred Lines', and 'Treasure'. So to me, 'Blow' just feels like the natural continuation and evolution of throwbacks like Lay Up Under Me.

Greer, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:05 (eleven years ago)

Wait what are the breezy disco songs on 4? I don't even know "Lay Up Under Me"

some dude, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

oh it's really good! (albeit only the third best bonus track, out of three.) and yeah greer otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0OE7HDmfHM

lex pretend, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:09 (eleven years ago)

Lay Up Under Me was I think bundled on a deluxe edition that for a very long time was exclusively available through Target in the US. The 2013 reissue of the album with a reconfigured tracklist also excluded the track, but included the other two deluxe tracks for some odd reason.

Greer, Monday, 27 January 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

Beyonce singing disco about cunnilingus is basically a perfect form of music afaic

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:25 (eleven years ago)

It's definitely the song on the album that I just immediately thought was the best thing ever from the first listen, although "***Flawless" has snuck up on me through repitition/memedom.

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:27 (eleven years ago)

"Heaven" and "Blue" are lovely songs, there are just better on the album. I'm probably underrating the latter actually. "Mine" is the only song I even slightly dislike.

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:28 (eleven years ago)

blow bores me to bits atm

surm, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:58 (eleven years ago)

weird tho cuz i think i liked it the first time i heard it

there are still a lot of songs i don't listen to on this

surm, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 05:59 (eleven years ago)

omg I am obsessed with blow.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:19 (eleven years ago)

dont' take that out of context

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:20 (eleven years ago)

But really I can't stop listening to it. TBH I'm obsessed with the entire thing but I only first heard it a day ago so I don't know what my favorites are just yet. But Blow, yeah. Woah.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

xp least original bret easton ellis novel opening lines.

this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:21 (eleven years ago)

i am the last person on earth to buy this album. it's amazing.

― horseshoe, Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:46 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol nope to you being the last

oh it's so fucking good

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:22 (eleven years ago)

kinda not enjoying Drake shouting at me but it's a minor quibble

rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:42 (eleven years ago)

I heard "Grown Woman" for the first time in months yesterday; would have loved to hear it on the album somehow.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:45 (eleven years ago)

For some people, their first taste of a boilerplate neo-disco bounce track will always be their best taste. For others, it will taste as skittles each time. I'm the latter.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:51 (eleven years ago)

this is a false dichotomy because Skittles are awesome

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:54 (eleven years ago)

Skittles on boilerplates?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:55 (eleven years ago)

what color are the skittles

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:57 (eleven years ago)

there's no word in neo-disco bounce and skittles that isn't awesome

rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:57 (eleven years ago)

what color are the skittles

dunno but they're pink-flavored

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:58 (eleven years ago)

cherry-colored skittles

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:01 (eleven years ago)

cashews >> Skittles

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:03 (eleven years ago)

I listened to this on the train this morning 3x and and then felt weird and thought maybe it was too early in the morning for all that business in public.

Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:06 (eleven years ago)

agreed on cashews but v v awesome >> quite awesome

rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:07 (eleven years ago)

"I'm gonna chew/chew your cashew/show you what to do mmm mmm"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:08 (eleven years ago)

Ironically, "Blow" is very three-stars flawless.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:09 (eleven years ago)

So apparently I see this album very differently to everyone else.

Rocket
Blue
Haunted
XO
Heaven
Blow
***Flawless
Superpower
Partition
Jealous
Pretty Hurts
Drunk in Love
No Angel
Mine

Blue and Heaven are incredible and two of the best ballads she's ever done.

Not really sure I get why No Angel is so popular, it sounds slightly throwaway compared to the other songs on here.

Kitchen Person, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:18 (eleven years ago)

insane opinion.

rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:53 (eleven years ago)

"no angel" seems slight at first but it slyly packs an incredible amount into its short running time - such an incredibly textured, shape-shifting thing

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:00 (eleven years ago)

it's the way the song blossoms into the thunderous coda, both in terms of arrangement and in how Beyonce sings it

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:31 (eleven years ago)

jealous
rocket
no angel
***flawless
yoncé/partition
xo
drunk in love
blue
blow
superpower
heaven
ghost/haunted
pretty hurts
mine

prolego, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:37 (eleven years ago)

i'm surprised how low nearly all of you are ranking "jealous"! it's easily my fav. it sort of reminds me of "we need a resolution" - that same agitated oscillation between blame and self-recrimination ("don't be jealous" - but directed at who?), the same meandering stop-start thoughts that evoke restless paranoia, how fraught and tense yet restrained the beat and vocal delivery are (her lower register>>>>>) no real climax or ...resolution, just her trapped indefinitely in the coils of self-doubt and sadness.

also she's stepped up her game so much in evoking detailed narratives (that manage to feel spontaneous and in the moment) that is at its best in the partition/jealous double whammy. love how it's like she's tunnelling back in time with various reference points to her past here - the inversion of the perfect housewife all up in the kitchen of "countdown", then taking out again her "freakum dress" she's kept gathering dust since those earlier single/dating days of b'day (and quite easy to read "i ain't lost it" as a post-motherhood statement), then of course her reminiscing about her roots back in houston. idk it feels really gratifying, like a full sweep of her history.

and the song makes "no angel" that much sadder taken together.

prolego, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:39 (eleven years ago)

"Jealous", "Rocket" and "***Flawless" are probably my fave 3

rock nobster (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:40 (eleven years ago)

the one that is really overrated to me is "ghost/haunted" - it just comes across as being there for the ~dark~ ~vibes~, to exist as a moodpiece, but it's both nothing-y and hamfisted imo.

prolego, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:54 (eleven years ago)

"jealous" is one of my ~4 favorites too

i hesitate to do the whole ranking exercise with this album tho because so many of the tracks are excellent and i'm sure my answers as to which i prefer would be changing all the time. i guess "superpower" would reliably be at the bottom.

dyl, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

"Jealous" is in my top three

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:09 (eleven years ago)

I only have actively negative things to say about "Superpower" and "Mine"

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:09 (eleven years ago)

i love jealous

horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

xp
this is such a big album that if, like me, you always skip "Pretty Hurts," then "Haunted" works as an amorphous overture to the rest of the album.
I don't hate "Superpower" nearly as much as most of this thread, but after watching Pitch Perfect the other day, I realized it's basically a college acapella group song

rob, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:15 (eleven years ago)

the one that is really overrated to me is "ghost/haunted" - it just comes across as being there for the ~dark~ ~vibes~, to exist as a moodpiece, but it's both nothing-y and hamfisted imo.

― prolego, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:54 (2 hours ago) Permalink

yea

also no angel never seemed slight

surm, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:01 (eleven years ago)

the "nononono" outro and the distortion on her voice is so perfect and unexpected

lex pretend, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:08 (eleven years ago)

yes

surm, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:10 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, "No Angel" was an immediate fave. Another point, the lyrics are greeaaaat. I love how it's all about falling deeper in love as you realize your partner isn't the perfect person you thought you fell in love with.

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:16 (eleven years ago)

yeah, and she plays with the melody to shift the notes off-pitch in parts in such a way that drives it home

surm, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 20:57 (eleven years ago)

The big percussion hit and "ride around..." is prob my favourite bit on the entire album.

Tim F, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 21:26 (eleven years ago)

https://soundcloud.com/freebandzglobal/future-drunk-in-love

Number None, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:25 (eleven years ago)

oh god no

SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:34 (eleven years ago)

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

the "Mrs. Officer" reference! Dan get off this thread til you get your head together please.

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:40 (eleven years ago)

I am probably never going to like Future, sorry dude

SHAUN (DJP), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 21:41 (eleven years ago)

this is not the song to appreciate Future

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

the 'reasonable facsimile' re-recordings of beats that you get when there isn't an official instrumental available for a big song are so annoying

the Plies/Rico Love "Drunk In Love" remix was actually closer to the real beat than the Future one but is obviously more lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxbMPucJRo

some dude, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:10 (eleven years ago)

"Jealous" is one of those songs where the video really helped me get into it

some dude, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:10 (eleven years ago)

ha, I didn't even notice the beat had been recreated

raggett neds of your summer dress (The Reverend), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:27 (eleven years ago)

shoulda been a capella

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:29 (eleven years ago)

i can't think of any sort of remix or new version of any of these songs that i could care about EXCEPT i want a shameless freemasons-style house remix of "pretty hurts" that makes beyoncé sound like stalin (or whatever amazing thing tim said about their remix of "ring the alarm") and, in a few years, the mantra of "heaven" to be quietly repurposed into a soft sad german techno track about dead friends à la "i look into mid air" or "klinsmann"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:46 (eleven years ago)

I can imagine a batshit let's-go-Balearic remix of "Superpower" would resuscitate the thing.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:47 (eleven years ago)

there needs to be some Mariah on superpower fwiw

surm, Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:55 (eleven years ago)

i met this guy the other night who didn't like Partition or No Angel. i should have realized he was a douche sooner than i did.

surm, Friday, 31 January 2014 02:19 (eleven years ago)

did you make the 'loser' forehead sign at him and walk away?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:09 (eleven years ago)

he rolled up the partition

some dude, Friday, 31 January 2014 03:16 (eleven years ago)

i sure fuckin did

i took a car right outta there

surm, Friday, 31 January 2014 13:49 (eleven years ago)

talked to my good friend Rachel. she gave me her top 5, and none of them were in mine! she LOVES Mine. we started singing the hook together -- she was Drake.

surm, Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:22 (eleven years ago)

Yeah all my IRL girlfriends adore "Mine".

Tim F, Saturday, 1 February 2014 21:49 (eleven years ago)

"drunk in love" is #2 on the hot 100 this post-grammy week O.o

it's only #14 on radio (based almost solely on urban/rhythmic airplay) and #7 in sales but #1 on streaming, so the latter seems to be what really pushed it so high. its sales will surely decline next week but maybe if it crosses over to pop radio (i guess "xo" would be dropped) it'll start selling like the other songs in the top 10??

oh and i guess it dethroned eminem on hot r&b/hip-hop songs lol

dyl, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

interesting. i really thought, given that "Drunk" had been a #1 urban radio hit for a while but hadn't enough pop radio support, YouTube hits or iTunes sales to get it into the top 10 by now, that it wouldn't happen at all. TV is still powerful, though -- "Blurred Lines" got its biggest chart jump not from the video or radio but from Thicke performing on The Voice, after all.

scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:35 (eleven years ago)

how does that stack up in terms of urban radio - Hot 100 crossover hits (extenuating circumstances aside)?

katherine, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 21:21 (eleven years ago)

https://soundcloud.com/complexmag/beyonc-f-jay-z-drunken-love

O_O

lex pretend, Friday, 14 February 2014 16:25 (eleven years ago)

wow

c sharp major, Friday, 14 February 2014 16:43 (eleven years ago)

this is crazy

just sayin, Friday, 14 February 2014 18:40 (eleven years ago)

idgi is that meant to be like listened to

flopson, Friday, 14 February 2014 18:42 (eleven years ago)

a good "drunk in love" remix would be pitching the vocals every so slightly & add reverb to make it sound like they're out-of-key and slurring the lyrics

flopson, Friday, 14 February 2014 18:43 (eleven years ago)

i like the noisiness of that a lot

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 February 2014 18:55 (eleven years ago)

this is not good

detail sucks

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)

"drunk in love" is great but i'm sort of mad that beyonce turned a really average song into a powerhouse cuz it's gonna legitimize this doofus

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)

I literally only downloaded this a week ago (don't ask) and it's already knocked Kacey off the top of my best of 2013. Was happily surprised to see that Frank & Drake weren't too damaging.

jay., Friday, 14 February 2014 19:41 (eleven years ago)

unlistenable remix

dyl, Friday, 14 February 2014 21:24 (eleven years ago)

i kept pausing it because i thought something else was playing in a different tab

c sharp major, Friday, 14 February 2014 21:49 (eleven years ago)

Was happily surprised to see that Frank & Drake weren't too damaging.

― jay., Friday, February 14, 2014 2:41 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

http://media.giphy.com/media/gdFw9sBLP9h1S/giphy.gif

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 21:55 (eleven years ago)

prolly just means because of all the negativity itt about "Mine" and "Superpower"?

Jody Beth Frozen (some dude), Friday, 14 February 2014 22:05 (eleven years ago)

yes i disagree with the idea that they aren't "too damaging"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 February 2014 23:27 (eleven years ago)

They really aren't. Jay Z's verse is so much worse than Drake and Frank's contributions.

Murgatroid, Friday, 14 February 2014 23:43 (eleven years ago)

but Jay is on a good song so it kind of evens out

Number None, Friday, 14 February 2014 23:52 (eleven years ago)

I was sort of joking about the "too damaging" part. I saw them on the track list and just expected them to ruin the songs - fortunately I was wrong.
Jay-Z was the worst, but coming off from the Magna Carta era I wasn't expecting him to be any better.

jay., Friday, 14 February 2014 23:53 (eleven years ago)

Cant listen to DiL cos of that Jay verse, too painful

Spottie, Saturday, 15 February 2014 00:10 (eleven years ago)

"Drunk In Love", now feat. Kanye: http://www.missinfo.tv/index.php/beyonce-drunk-in-love-remix-feat-kanye-west/

Murgatroid, Saturday, 15 February 2014 00:37 (eleven years ago)

I fully do not get the anti-"Superpower" faction

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Saturday, 15 February 2014 06:00 (eleven years ago)

For real, their harmonies on that song kill me every time.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 15 February 2014 06:24 (eleven years ago)

Also the lyrics are so sweet

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Saturday, 15 February 2014 06:57 (eleven years ago)

it used to be my least favorite track (tho i still liked it) but i've really warmed to it since paying closer attention to the lyrics

dyl, Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:14 (eleven years ago)

B's vocal and lyric are pretty enthralling by themselves but the doot doots are just the worst

some dude, Saturday, 15 February 2014 15:53 (eleven years ago)

a good "drunk in love" remix would be pitching the vocals every so slightly & add reverb to make it sound like they're out-of-key and slurring the lyrics

"Drunk in Love"/"Hold My Liquor" mix

That's So (Eazy), Saturday, 15 February 2014 16:00 (eleven years ago)

it's showing my age but every time Jay does the "I'M NICE...." line, I mentally plug in "LIKE RIUNITE ON ICE" afterward

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 February 2014 16:15 (eleven years ago)

Is there an official video coming for that Drunk in Love Kanye remix or is she posting those clips to instagram for the hell of it?

Greer, Saturday, 15 February 2014 18:22 (eleven years ago)

B's vocal and lyric are pretty enthralling by themselves but the doot doots are just the worst

― some dude, Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:53 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Naw, they're cute and they remind me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz58Hw9hldw

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Saturday, 15 February 2014 23:41 (eleven years ago)

Is there an official video coming for that Drunk in Love Kanye remix or is she posting those clips to instagram for the hell of it?

― Greer, Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:22 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Footage is from 2011: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mackenziekruvant/kanye-wests-remix-beyonces-drunk-in-love

Murgatroid, Saturday, 15 February 2014 23:55 (eleven years ago)

Ye is approaching the "nas is like gross" level if he hasn't already surpassed it

, Sunday, 16 February 2014 04:54 (eleven years ago)

i kept pausing it because i thought something else was playing in a different tab

― c sharp major, Saturday, February 15, 2014 5:49 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Haha I had this reaction too

, Sunday, 16 February 2014 04:55 (eleven years ago)

Ye is approaching the "nas is like gross" level if he hasn't already surpassed it

― 龜, Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

some dude, Sunday, 16 February 2014 11:53 (eleven years ago)

Why are all the "Drunk In Love" remixes coming out all at once? (Kanye, Diplo, Weeknd, T.I.)

Murgatroid, Monday, 17 February 2014 00:03 (eleven years ago)

the lifting of the beyoncé embargo

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Monday, 17 February 2014 00:18 (eleven years ago)

did the instrumental finally become available? all the previous remixes before this week seemed to have re-recorded beats.

Waluigi Weingarten (some dude), Monday, 17 February 2014 02:05 (eleven years ago)

ahjgjgajajj she made me tune in for five minutes of the brit awards and played fucking "xo", and not just one of the worst songs on the album but one of the most obviously coasting-on-40%-effort performances ever. to be fair the brit awards deserve no better but it is a shame that all her big statements on the album have, so far, been kept within the confines of the album. like imagine how life-changing "flawless" could have been

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:13 (eleven years ago)

if this campaign comes to an end without "flawless" making its way into the world at large i'll be pretty annoyed

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:14 (eleven years ago)

Doesn't the fact that "Flawless" is essentially a reworked version of a song she released a year ago hurt its chances of being promoted as a big single?

MarkoP, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:19 (eleven years ago)

i imagine the thought is that "i been on" already put it out there and it didn't set the world on fire so no go? i agree with you that flawless is by far the best track on this album.
xp, yeah.

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:20 (eleven years ago)

I fully do not get the anti-"Superpower" faction

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:00 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

For real, their harmonies on that song kill me every time.

― Murgatroid, Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:24 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also the lyrics are so sweet

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:57 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thank you!

surm, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:22 (eleven years ago)

"xo" did not set the world on fire and here she is performing it on an awards show to all-round sighs of disappointment

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:22 (eleven years ago)

it's new though
if it's not new it's through

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:23 (eleven years ago)

all the most important bits of "flawless" are new!!!! not being blown away by "bow down/i been on" hasn't stopped the same people from being blown away by "flawless"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)

agreed

surm, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:34 (eleven years ago)

I can't really see how it would make commercial sense to heavily push "Flawless" as a single, though of course this is a problem with the world not the song.

Tim F, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:40 (eleven years ago)

what about partition :(

surm, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:43 (eleven years ago)

i'm not saying it would make commercial sense, i'm saying it could potentially be a grand and incredible statement in a way that "xo" could never be, from a woman who's at the peak of her commercial powers, who has just proven herself not beholden to the usual industry rules, who reiterates her disdain for playing by the industry game all over her album

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:45 (eleven years ago)

and it's not like "xo" clicked with the public, it came out at the same time as "drunk in love" and the world unanimously and correctly opted for the latter

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:46 (eleven years ago)

boo, I had written some excellent shade and Lex had to ruin it by laying out a good argument ;_;

(said shade was not directed at Lex)

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:47 (eleven years ago)

i mean in the context of what the album is, to have its two wider-world representatives by a 10-years-on update of "crazy in love" (albeit amazing) and a tedderballad is...underwhelming

having said that i have just read that the next single will be... "partition". YASSS

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:50 (eleven years ago)

"and not just one of the worst songs on the album but one of the most obviously coasting-on-40%-effort performances ever"

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/leaving-now-grandpa-simpsons.gif

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:50 (eleven years ago)

yeah "partition" is on the hot 100 now w/ no promo, just an obv banger

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:51 (eleven years ago)

*refers to whatever i said upthread about how "xo" is so, so great*

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:52 (eleven years ago)

yeah no way is "XO" one of the worst songs on the album, crazy talk flat out.

"***Flawless" is an odd case because it's a 2-part song that's very much more than the sum of its parts and they're not easily split up in any satisfying way (unlike "Partition," which sounds fine when radio plays it without "Yonce"). i've heard it in DJ sets by itself now and again and it sounds great and obviously gets a response but i dunno if "***Flawless" is structured in such a way that would prevent it from ever having life as a radio single. really the only song i care about whether it becomes a hit single at some point is "Rocket."

Waluigi Weingarten (some dude), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:52 (eleven years ago)

pretty much everything on the album is a fantastic song except for "Mine" and "Superpower", really

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:53 (eleven years ago)

yeah "partition" is on the hot 100 now w/ no promo, just an obv banger

god a performance of "partition" with "yoncé" would have been incredible tonight, like you could have brought jourdan dunn out to reprise the "yoncé" video in her home town and everything

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:53 (eleven years ago)

*tries desperately to recall whatever "heaven" sounds like*

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:54 (eleven years ago)

i think we can all agree on partition though, right? nobody dislikes partition?

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:54 (eleven years ago)

*tries desperately to recall whatever "heaven" sounds like*

"Heaven" sounds like heartbreak and despair and, frankly, I'm happy that you didn't instantly link that song to a traumatic life experience because it's devastating

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:56 (eleven years ago)

I hope the "Superpower" haters are doomed to a hellish eternity of living to an infinite looping version of the song with just the doo-doos.

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:56 (eleven years ago)

I dunno -- "Superpower" makes me lose patience (again) with Frank Ocean, not Beyonce.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

Katy B is the gay pop singer I want Frank Ocean to be, I guess.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

hahaha i'm overstating it, "heaven"'s all right

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

i'm fine with "xo" but it really is only fine versus two-thirds of the album being LIFE-CHANGING - but whatever we've had this argument, my point is that this album's greatness is at core about beyoncé making STATEMENTS about herself and the world, and "xo" doesn't even pretend to provide those

"flawless" obviously has a lot of rational arguments going against it as a potential radio single but the point is that beyoncé, right now, should be taking those risks. get a banger with an entire minute of a black feminist speech into clubs and on the radio, WHY NOT??? why not try?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

I hope the "Superpower" haters are doomed to a hellish eternity of living to an infinite looping version of the song with just the doo-doos.

I hope the "Superpower" lovers have a good 2014.

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)

Dan, I hope your high road is filled with cracks and potholes.

Murgatroid, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)

Katy B is the gay pop singer I want Frank Ocean to be, I guess.

talking of whom, i've only just got round to her "drunk in love" live cover and...i did not think anyone else could pull off that song but she transforms it and O_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKIf5C5xshU

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

why she's apparently a gay pop singer i have no idea though

lex pretend, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

I was going to stick "male" in there

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:03 (eleven years ago)

I think that Beyonce has made the best album of her career comprising songs none of which are obvious singles (even "XO" works IMO in spite of its ambitions in that direction, rather than because of them), and then releasing the album in a format and via a strategy which totally doubles down on that decision rather than apologising for it.

While in that sense I would support "Flawless" over "XO" as a single, mostly I think that running any conventional single-promotion strategy is basically an implicit backwards step from that decision, and it encourages the world to view these songs in terms of their individual chart performance, especially if we're talking live performances at the VMAs and Brit Awards etc. In that context the endless three-months-apiece slog of trying to make fetch individual songs happen can seem slightly dispiriting, and I might even prefer that there be absolutely no official singles campaign and instead she pushed particular songs in particular contexts - sing "Rocket" on The Voice and render every contestant irrelevant, push "Partition" and "Flawless" to clubs and R&B radio and totally dominate those spaces (NB. although I doubt the original can be improved on, "Flawless" sounds eminently remix-friendly to me).

That said if she ever does turn "Flawless" into a massive crossover hit I will take all of the above back in a heartbeat.

Tim F, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:14 (eleven years ago)

yeah katy's "drunk in love" cover is so dope

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:19 (eleven years ago)

Dan, I hope your high road is filled with cracks and potholes.

I live in Boston, so
http://cdn.thewire.com/media/old_wire/img/upload/2011/05/screen-shot-2011-05-01-at-43719-pm-2/lead_large.png

sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:24 (eleven years ago)

all the most important bits of "flawless" are new!!!! not being blown away by "bow down/i been on" hasn't stopped the same people from being blown away by "flawless"

― lex pretend, Wednesday, February 19, 2014 4:28 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally disagree. my favorite things about flawless are all in the opening chopped voice/beats and those are basically unchanged from bow down. i mean the second half really transforms everything to make it interesting and more of a performance and etc, but the part that just bangs was there from the start.

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:27 (eleven years ago)

Partition is apparently the next single.

http://hiphop-n-more.com/2014/02/beyonce-picks-partition-as-next-single-listen-to-radio-edit-of-song/

Radio has been playing it steadily already, so this makes sense.

Greer, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:12 (eleven years ago)

Also interesting that some UK radio folks discussed earlier in the week at a Radio Academy event that the original singles she planned to push for the UK were considered too mature by them to be played on daytime radio and they refused to playlist them, so she was more or less forced to push and promote XO instead of Drunk in Love or Blow, which were the original planned singles leading the album. Which might explain why we got an XO performance. Though Drunk in Love managed to reach the top ten in the UK anyway.

Greer, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:19 (eleven years ago)

Katy B is the gay pop singer I want Frank Ocean to be, I guess.

― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:57 PM Bookmark

Dear god. Frank Ocean's refusal to be pigeonholable as a gay pop singer is one of the best things about him.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 01:59 (eleven years ago)

the reversal on drunk in love vs xo in this thread is impressive

eric banana (s.clover), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:01 (eleven years ago)

I really honestly feel as if people who don't love both are playing themselves. Matter fact, "Mine" is probably the only song on this album I won't give you massive sideeye for saying a bad word against.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:04 (eleven years ago)

Ha, I hadn't thought of it, but "Partition" does totally sound like something Too Short would rap over.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:05 (eleven years ago)

The drums in XO really save it from being another by-the-numbers Teddersnore for me.

Greer, Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:10 (eleven years ago)

It's Beyonce's performance that makes it.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:14 (eleven years ago)

So ragged and bleary yet utterly joyous too.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:14 (eleven years ago)

I think listed Superpower as one of my least favourite songs on this album upthread, but like, just to clarify, i still really enjoy it. it plods along and is a little pedestrian and i'm not huuuuuuge on the warblers-from-glee backing, but the harmonies w/ her and frank >>>>, also it's very powerful lyrically, i found this post on it quite enlightening: http://jesusfuckingchristblog.com/2013/12/15/reading-beyonces-superpower-as-a-love-letter-to-black-radical-insurgency-an-open-letter-to-white-feminists-who-want-to-remind-us-that-beyonces-music-is-just-art/

xo is great also, but i've never had a problem with tedder x beyoncé (also a fan of halo)

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:15 (eleven years ago)

i mean essentially two months later i still find this album such an enthralling document, very mature and intelligent but never ever boring

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:16 (eleven years ago)

Oh god, I fucking hate "Halo" so much. "I Was Here" is fine tho. "XO" is their best collaboration by far.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:18 (eleven years ago)

my biggest disappointment is realizing that the lyric is not in fact

we woke up in the kitchen saying "hi!" to healthy dishes

I was enjoying imagining Jay-Z cooking her a nice breakfast.

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Thursday, 20 February 2014 02:30 (eleven years ago)

Ocean's avoidance of vulgarity is the worst thing about him, Rev.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 February 2014 04:22 (eleven years ago)

Oh, so being gay is vulgar now, huh Alfred?

Eric H., Thursday, 20 February 2014 04:33 (eleven years ago)

Also interesting that some UK radio folks discussed earlier in the week at a Radio Academy event that the original singles she planned to push for the UK were considered too mature by them to be played on daytime radio and they refused to playlist them, so she was more or less forced to push and promote XO instead of Drunk in Love or Blow, which were the original planned singles leading the album. Which might explain why we got an XO performance. Though Drunk in Love managed to reach the top ten in the UK anyway.

that's very interesting! i was listening to this billboard podcast a couple weeks ago and they said something very similar -- that "blow" was originally pushed to top 40 in the us, but radio programmers said it was too racy and that they would prefer playing "xo" (they talk about it 18 minutes in if you want to skip to it and listen) so the decision was changed literally over the weekend even though it was not initially planned to be that way

so yeah, the unfortunate reality does seem to be that, although the world can speak and make "drunk in love" a huge pop hit despite radio saying it's not the 'pop single', there is going to be substantial resistance from radio that might alter/nudge the way the campaign unfolds. in light of them not even wanting to play "blow" i do understand why bey might be reluctant to go for some huge statement like "flawless" as a single right away... but "partition" being given its chance seems promising now. given how well it has been doing already pre-release it seems it could be undeniable, and hopefully that'll chip away at some of the resistance.

dyl, Thursday, 20 February 2014 05:30 (eleven years ago)

While in that sense I would support "Flawless" over "XO" as a single, mostly I think that running any conventional single-promotion strategy is basically an implicit backwards step from that decision, and it encourages the world to view these songs in terms of their individual chart performance, especially if we're talking live performances at the VMAs and Brit Awards etc. In that context the endless three-months-apiece slog of trying to make fetch individual songs happen can seem slightly dispiriting, and I might even prefer that there be absolutely no official singles campaign and instead she pushed particular songs in particular contexts

i actually agree with this. which is why i'm bitter about her using a one-off context like last night to do a perfunctory candlestick performance of "xo" rather than anything that might have left an impression.

ughhhh @ the uk radio news, this is why our charts should never ever go airplay. too many politics, too much conservatism on uk radio

lex pretend, Thursday, 20 February 2014 08:10 (eleven years ago)

Tim F totally otm

still think "Mine" is pretty great except for Drake shouting, and i can tune that out

the undersea world of jacques kernow (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 February 2014 08:31 (eleven years ago)

my god that katy b version is a revelation, for her and the song

r|t|c, Thursday, 20 February 2014 08:46 (eleven years ago)

it's a revelation for the tinashe song involved in it too!

lex pretend, Thursday, 20 February 2014 08:52 (eleven years ago)

Ocean's avoidance of vulgarity is the worst thing about him, Rev.

As opposed to.....Katy B? She's certainly more consistently tasteful than he is. Also what Eric said.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 08:59 (eleven years ago)

The treatment of the Tinashe song is way more revelatory because Katy B can't really do jack with "Drunk in Love" compared to Beyonce unless maybe if she gave it an uptempo dance beat.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 09:02 (eleven years ago)

It really says everything that you can have a hundred songs where dudes brag about getting their dicks sucked on the radio but a song about cunnilingus is completely beyond the pale.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 09:05 (eleven years ago)

Ugh I'm still chafing at the idea that a certain kind of gay social music is the only type of gay music allowable and that a gay or bisexual artist is somehow lesser for avoiding it. Gtfo.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 February 2014 09:07 (eleven years ago)

It really says everything that you can have a hundred songs where dudes brag about getting their dicks sucked on the radio but a song about cunnilingus is completely beyond the pale.

can't be repeated enough

the undersea world of jacques kernow (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 20 February 2014 09:10 (eleven years ago)

It's not that I want Ocean to be a certain kind of bisexual artists; it's that on channel ORANGE he has trouble being anyone at all.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 February 2014 12:00 (eleven years ago)

i don't think that's true at all

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:04 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, he was Forrest Gump iirc.

Eric H., Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:07 (eleven years ago)

i mean he purposely plays the role of narrator on a good number of songs but that's entirely different than not "being anyone"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:08 (eleven years ago)

I truly believed he had boobies in his damn chain.

Eric H., Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:11 (eleven years ago)

the tour resumes tonight; i wonder if there'll be any songs from this in the show.

piscesx, Thursday, 20 February 2014 17:15 (eleven years ago)

word is she recreated the partition video, the setlist included blow, haunted, heaven, yoncé and ***flawless as well as the two singles from the new album.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Friday, 21 February 2014 00:40 (eleven years ago)

holy shit.

piscesx, Friday, 21 February 2014 00:44 (eleven years ago)

https://24.media.tumblr.com/a9c97bc5921dd380f18b549527ff0b81/tumblr_n1bm7bKrOR1qgmkcqo3_250.gif

why did i get tickets for the last leg instead whyyyyy

prolego, Friday, 21 February 2014 01:05 (eleven years ago)

tinashe is a terrible singer

rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 21 February 2014 05:12 (eleven years ago)

oof, going back to the original "vulnerable" only exposes tinashe's limitations

lex pretend, Friday, 21 February 2014 10:50 (eleven years ago)

"2 on" is a good single, much better look for her than hemsworth cloud beats

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 February 2014 12:54 (eleven years ago)

agree

lex pretend, Friday, 21 February 2014 13:10 (eleven years ago)

but like...katy b reveals that "vulnerable" is actually really a striking song, which is funny because the original doesn't sound remotely interesting at all

lex pretend, Friday, 21 February 2014 13:11 (eleven years ago)

yeah agreed

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 21 February 2014 15:17 (eleven years ago)

word

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Friday, 21 February 2014 20:31 (eleven years ago)

So, I like her album a lot but I think this mashup is perhaps the best thing to come out of this Katy B era. What a thrill to hear her going for those big notes in "Drunk In Love", punctuated with so much portent.

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 07:21 (eleven years ago)

oh lord

http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/02/28/dear-america-youre-too-smart-to-listen-to-beyonce/

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:31 (eleven years ago)

imagine being an adult and writing that way

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:35 (eleven years ago)

That’s the general impression I come away with anytime I get a whiff of most modern pop music. Not only are these people sex-obsessed, but they aren’t nearly smart enough or clever enough to be subtle about it.

And that’s what leads me to my point, America.

These songs are obviously hypersexual. But, honestly, my greater concern is the fact that they’re hyperstupid.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:52 (eleven years ago)

i heard the katy b drunk in love. like 1000x better

surm, Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:21 (eleven years ago)

that guy's been studying the writings of bill plaschke, mild flat-toned outrage conveyed via paragraph break

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:21 (eleven years ago)

who is this abhorrent person?

dyl, Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:44 (eleven years ago)

same guy?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/author/matt-walsh/

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:48 (eleven years ago)

seems to have an M.O. of being an intolerable asshole to everyone around him

christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:51 (eleven years ago)

Recent Posts
Dear America, you’re too smart to listen to Beyonce
Problem solved: let private businesses refuse service to anyone anytime for any reason
Yes, of course a business owner should have the right to refuse service to gay people

MISTERSNRUB (some dude), Sunday, 2 March 2014 03:57 (eleven years ago)

hmm

surm, Sunday, 2 March 2014 04:04 (eleven years ago)

The comments are a delight.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 March 2014 04:05 (eleven years ago)

this guy's writing could literally appear on the onion

call all destroyer, Sunday, 2 March 2014 04:16 (eleven years ago)

If you have any tea party/libertarian friends on fb, you see this guy linked all the time. Once in a blue moon he'll post something that's not wholly disgusting, but disgusting is his bread and butter.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 2 March 2014 04:22 (eleven years ago)

WGAF about the matt walsh blog

le goon (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 2 March 2014 05:27 (eleven years ago)

^

, Sunday, 2 March 2014 05:30 (eleven years ago)

this album seems very Drakey. maybe exaggerating based on a few songs, dunno. I like "Haunted" though

nova, Sunday, 2 March 2014 08:43 (eleven years ago)

i love that beyoncé apparently thinks "why don't you love me" is one of her biggest hits judging from the time and elaborate stage production it got in her live show (compared to "crazy in love" which got one cursory verse)

"partition" was incredible

lex pretend, Monday, 3 March 2014 00:34 (eleven years ago)

also "drunk in love" got like 10 x the reaction of any other song

lex pretend, Monday, 3 March 2014 00:38 (eleven years ago)

i love that beyoncé apparently thinks "why don't you love me" is one of her biggest hits judging from the time and elaborate stage production it got in her live show (compared to "crazy in love" which got one cursory verse)

yeah i found this kind of ironic when I saw her about six months ago.

Tim F, Monday, 3 March 2014 01:06 (eleven years ago)

I'll take a guess the latter is down to "Beyonce is tired of performing 'Crazy in Love' but feels obligated to include it in her show"

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 3 March 2014 01:55 (eleven years ago)

also probably some "i can just toss out a giant #1 hit in a medley" stunting there too

MISTERSNRUB (some dude), Monday, 3 March 2014 02:05 (eleven years ago)

Yeah she used to do the same thing with Destiny's Child's hits. But the contrastanning for "Why Don't You Love Me" is amusing.

Tim F, Monday, 3 March 2014 02:59 (eleven years ago)

^^yeah that was more my point. i like "why don't you love me" and enjoyed the focus on it but of all the random songs! it's not even a fan favourite kind of deep cut/minor single like "schoolin' life"

i also applaud bey for continuing to act as though "run the world (girls)" was a huge iconic smash as well. (seriously, i've said this before, but that song doesn't feel like a flop even though it was - it feels as part of pop culture as some of her biggest hits.)

lex pretend, Monday, 3 March 2014 09:16 (eleven years ago)

i've still never seen her live, and if and when i finally do, i'll be pretty mad if i only get one verse of crazy in love

it's interesting that she's avoided doing pretty hurts live, would've thought she'd be milking that one and priming it to be a single eventually

pearly-dewdrops' bops (monotony), Monday, 3 March 2014 10:43 (eleven years ago)

xp i appreciate how she took that attitude to the whole of 4. other singers would have released maybe a couple of singles and then gone away quietly to rebuild after an underperforming album (e.g. artpop) but she released and promoted just about every album track, dedicated a large part of her superbowl setlist to its songs, and toured specifically for it last year when everyone was buying up tickets expecting to see new material. it felt like through willpower alone she turned what should have been a career misstep into a triumph and affirmation of her invincibility. it's as if she used the whole era to show she was bigger than the charts and the industry. which was a perfect platform for launching beyoncé off.

prolego, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:12 (eleven years ago)

i think bey's proud of "why don't you love me" in particular because for a long time (maybe even now) it was seen as her best video to date by some distance. it seemed the first time she really focused on making a superlative video for the sake of it (i know she did that b'day anthology but most of those videos were pretty cheap and tossed off) and i figure that felt like a pretty big turning point for her - where she really saw herself as a visual artist as much as a music artist and believed she could bring about that vision successfully.

or maybe she just wanted to show off dusting her grammys everynight.

prolego, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:22 (eleven years ago)

thematically it was one of the first songs she grappled with the ideas that have preoccupied her since - the cracks in and struggle behind "perfection", ideas of wifeliness and femininity etc. and yeah, that video was the start of her putting disproportionate effort into it

agree re: 4 - like, who dares call "love on top" or "countdown" or "1+1" flops? and if anyone does, that's literally the least interesting or relevant thing about them. they're classics, bey knows it, we know it.

lex pretend, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:27 (eleven years ago)

is there a name for the opposite of a New Jersey? because 4 is it - less popular and successful than preceding albums it but an imperceptible sense that her stardom and stature had reached a new level as a result of it.

i wonder how many of them exist? surely fewer than the number of New Jerseys. the first pop example that came to my head was like a prayer - much less successful than true blue and like a virgin in single and album sales (not that you'd think so looking back) and yet a definite sense in 1990 that it made madonna a capital I Icon forever. which is where beyoncé got to after 4 in the run up to her s/t in 2013.

prolego, Monday, 3 March 2014 11:54 (eleven years ago)

yeah, Like A Prayer is a stretch, that one still had huge top 5 hits, but there are albums like that. 808s was like that for Kanye, although albums like that or Nebraska are kind of 'not crowd-pleasing by design,' more than 4 or LAP.

MISTERSNRUB (some dude), Monday, 3 March 2014 12:40 (eleven years ago)

i listen to about 3 or 4 songs on this album, after giving it some time. they are incredible, maybe more gratifying to me than most Beyonce songs. but in terms of the album as a whole, her previous records have had more songs on them that i return to.

surm, Monday, 3 March 2014 14:29 (eleven years ago)

most of the time when i think i'm going to play one or two songs from the album i just end up listening to the whole thing again.

dyl, Monday, 3 March 2014 15:40 (eleven years ago)

I kinda wish I'd written my review after the benefit of several months with the album, there's so many little moments I'd focus on (assuming a 5000 word piece was feasible).

Like in "Jealous" when she says, "I look damn good, yeah, I ain't lost it", and you know she's looking at herself in the mirror, and the way she sings it is such a potent mix of vanity, defiance, pride, defensiveness, anxiety and relief.

Tim F, Monday, 3 March 2014 23:09 (eleven years ago)

yes!

also, how if she's in her penthouse half-naked having cooked the meal naked earlier, at some point that evening her reaction to becoming annoyed was to put some, but not all, of her clothes on

lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 00:04 (eleven years ago)

I do wonder if any singer is as good at making the sympathetic listener really relate to particular ideas or feelings so specifically - i.e. not merely do we (scarequote "we" if necessary) relate to her character(s), but she conveys very precisely the particular emotion or reaction intended to be expressed by each line.

I feel like, even with a lot of singers I absolutely love and feel very moved by, they have a much less specific or sharp form of relatable vocals, like the ache or the tremble or the sensuousness of their performance makes you feel things but it's a much more consistent tone throughout the song. I can't really think of anyone who executes the kind of sharp turns, shifts and distinctions from line to line the way Beyonce does now. For me the gold standard of "every line is a treasure" is Teedra's "Complex Simplicity" (the song), but even there each line is basically expressive of an overall vibe, whereas Beyonce is cramming so many vibes into individual songs. That combination of unity-of-persona with polyphony-of-expression feels possibly unique to me.

Kind of ironic that in "Jealous", which is such a tremendous example of the above, she sings "I wish that you were me, so you could feel what I'm feeling".

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 01:28 (eleven years ago)

My wrinkle: Beyonce's muse is pleasure. She limns the boundaries of pleasure. No performer comes close, Thus, her "sad" songs and performances register insofar as they signify "I'm not happy" ("I Miss You," "Jealous").

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 01:33 (eleven years ago)

I think in general terms that has often been the case, but I think "Jealous" actually busts through that and signifies a lot more than "I'm not happy". In particular I think the performance really captures the self-awareness of the hypocritical nature of her jealousy implied by the lyrics.

It's present in the way that at the end of the first verse "Now you got me yelling / that's because I'm jealous" is sung as if her jealousy is justified, something which affords her moral authority, then at the end of the second verse she curtly delivers "don't be jealous" and suddenly the perspective is flipped and its her capacity to inspire jealousy (or, at least, to turn the tables) that provides her authority.

This contradiction is then worn openly in the deflating, descending soprano middle-eight: "... and I love making you jealous / but don't judge me / and I know that I'm being hateful / but that ain't nothing / that ain't nothing / I'm just jealous / I'm just human / don't judge me", and it's as if all the rage and the frustration that has given rise to the song has just curled back in on itself, eaten itself.

I think the skill of this performance is less obvious than, say, the languorousness of her pleasure on "Rocket", because Beyonce is trying to convey through her vocals a certain emotional smallness - spite, resentment, ruefulness, emotions that are mostly ill-suited to commanding the center of the stage because they mostly exist as voices inside our heads.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 02:21 (eleven years ago)

Of course the previous effort broadly within the "I'm not happy" category that also demonstrated such mastery was "Irreplaceable", a song which is must subtler and cleverer than it's typically given credit for.

I should listen again to "Resentment" as well, though from memory I think that relied more heavily on telling the story that "Jealous" excels at showing.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 02:25 (eleven years ago)

I do wonder if any singer is as good at making the sympathetic listener really relate to particular ideas or feelings so specifically - i.e. not merely do we (scarequote "we" if necessary) relate to her character(s), but she conveys very precisely the particular emotion or reaction intended to be expressed by each line.

I feel like, even with a lot of singers I absolutely love and feel very moved by, they have a much less specific or sharp form of relatable vocals, like the ache or the tremble or the sensuousness of their performance makes you feel things but it's a much more consistent tone throughout the song. I can't really think of anyone who executes the kind of sharp turns, shifts and distinctions from line to line the way Beyonce does now. For me the gold standard of "every line is a treasure" is Teedra's "Complex Simplicity" (the song), but even there each line is basically expressive of an overall vibe, whereas Beyonce is cramming so many vibes into individual songs. That combination of unity-of-persona with polyphony-of-expression feels possibly unique to me.

Kind of ironic that in "Jealous", which is such a tremendous example of the above, she sings "I wish that you were me, so you could feel what I'm feeling".

― Tim F, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 01:28 (1 hour ago) Permalink

I am not sold on this. Jealous doesn't do much for me, mostly it just brings me back to some good oldschool 90s production. Vocally, Beyonce commits herself to songs like a true thespian, with command and agility, but the Mena Suvari question remains: does pretty really hurt? The only interesting line in Jealous is when B used to flex in Texas - maybe because it's so personal. But sometimes I feel like I don't know who she is. I appreciate her ability to do so many different things with any given line, but I like it best when you get a sense of who she really is, amidst the juggling balls. Rocket, on the other hand, is a vocal performance I really can't fuck with. Its smallness, if that's what you want to call it, suits her.

surm, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 04:05 (eleven years ago)

I was saying "Rocket" is the opposite of smallness.

Tim F, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 07:10 (eleven years ago)

ah, i misread that. in any event, it reads more genuine to me; overall, i would actually argue that Jealous is the more obvious of the two, in terms of delivery.

surm, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 15:33 (eleven years ago)

surm what are the 3-4 tracks you are into on the album? is "no angel" one of them?

dyl, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 16:56 (eleven years ago)

yea

i play no angel, partition, flawless, and then superpower because it's right after flawless and it's good. and when Rocket comes on i can't argue.

surm, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 17:00 (eleven years ago)

whenever i hear partition on the radio there are lots of not-even-that-objectionable words edited out and the whole french section is gone :(

dyl, Thursday, 6 March 2014 02:58 (eleven years ago)

considering a lot of people wouldn't even touch "blow" that's not really surprising :/

katherine, Thursday, 6 March 2014 03:15 (eleven years ago)

Solange would have done a better version of "Blow"

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:53 (eleven years ago)

That's a dirty lie.

Eric H., Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:55 (eleven years ago)

Solange's Skittles are made of hemp.

Eric H., Thursday, 6 March 2014 14:56 (eleven years ago)

if we're going to give anything off this album to solange it's "mine" (and can we make sure she leaves with it)

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:01 (eleven years ago)

"blow" is not a beyonce problem it's just not that great of a song

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:08 (eleven years ago)

it's more of a sound than a song, really

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:08 (eleven years ago)

that was a low blow, but i agree

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:18 (eleven years ago)

damn I can't suggest ban anymore :(

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:19 (eleven years ago)

it's generic and over-long but the thing that pushes it above lightweight fun is beyoncé's timing and delivery

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:20 (eleven years ago)

it just sounds like Beyonce's trying on roller skates

Alfred you would never suggest ban me, and you know it ;)

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:23 (eleven years ago)

Look, I know Beyonce won a Song of the Year Grammy for stitching together a bunch of jump rope chants, so the line between songs and sounds may be all but imperceptible now, but that's pretty unfair to "Blow."

Eric H., Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:23 (eleven years ago)

it just sounds like Beyonce's trying on roller skates

it does! this is what's good about it! cf "heartbreaker"

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:25 (eleven years ago)

i can't tell if you guys are acknowledging or not that the "blow" video literally takes place in a roller rink

le goon (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:27 (eleven years ago)

we are.

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:28 (eleven years ago)

(or at least i am)

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:29 (eleven years ago)

Because it sounds like the type of song that one would make a music video that takes place in a roller rink to.

I almost feel like making a list of such videos, because there are quite a few.

MarkoP, Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:35 (eleven years ago)

"Blow" is one of the songs that has grown on me the most in the context of both the album and the 'visual album.' it's not great and the whole Timbaland part is regrettable and i'm glad it's not a hit, but as a deep cut it's enjoyable.

he always came across as a great guy in Kerrang! in the 90s (some dude), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:39 (eleven years ago)

Amazing. "Blow" is the only song from the album I've got on my phone.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:40 (eleven years ago)

That and "***Flawless" for me.

Eric H., Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)

https://soundcloud.com/b3naqua/drunk-moments-in-love-beyonce

festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 6 March 2014 16:01 (eleven years ago)

I agree with some dude i think.

Tim F, Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:40 (eleven years ago)

I'm trying to think of any song about cunnilingus that isn't a 10/10 classic to me and coming up short.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:03 (eleven years ago)

I wouldn't call Madonna's "Where Life Begins" a 10/10 classic but I do love it.

Tim F, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:32 (eleven years ago)

i assume we mean performed by a woman because otherwise lil wayne's recent oeuvre to thread

lex pretend, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:34 (eleven years ago)

WAYNE

surm, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:36 (eleven years ago)

Haha, right lex. I don't know the Madonna song.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:38 (eleven years ago)

happy international women's day, love beyoncé xo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-s5Kszj1Wk

lex pretend, Sunday, 9 March 2014 20:04 (eleven years ago)

"Good Grips all on my ass"

http://i.imgur.com/XCxevGo.jpg

"Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:25 (eleven years ago)

"partition" has 1m more views in like a week than "xo" managed in 3 months? oh.

lex pretend, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:39 (eleven years ago)

teenage boys innit

μ thant (seandalai), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:41 (eleven years ago)

oh god i genuinely never thought of that :(

lex pretend, Monday, 10 March 2014 17:42 (eleven years ago)

the partition video is "sexy" and all but i don't really know if it's teenage boys sexy

i think it's just the song mang

surm, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:04 (eleven years ago)

the video isn't nearly as good as the song but who cares

surm, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:08 (eleven years ago)

teenage boys innit

― μ thant (seandalai), Monday, March 10, 2014 10:41 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Spottie, Monday, 10 March 2014 18:26 (eleven years ago)

I've watched the "XO" video way more. It's in competition with "Countdown" as my favorite Beyonce video.

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 10 March 2014 21:49 (eleven years ago)

"Get Me Bodied" will always be my favorite video of hers.

Bonnie Mckii (jay.), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 10:40 (eleven years ago)

"Haunted" video rules

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:05 (eleven years ago)

i still like the kitty cat video lol

surm, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 23:17 (eleven years ago)

me too but I still get freaked out at the part where she's running and she falls and scrapes her knee

"Jiggle It" - 2 in a Zoo (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 01:02 (eleven years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4vwZhMULlA

future performed this song called "good morning" at sxsw that he said him & detail wrote while they were "working on" "drunk in love"

and well this track is basically like a remix of "drunk in love" ... the melody is exactly the same in parts as are some lyrics. who knows which one came first but they sound like one in the same.

i wouldn't really make anything of it but a few weeks ago i heard through the grapevine that future had ghostwrote "drunk in love." as an idea it seemed plausible to me but i couldn't really figure out why he wouldn't have just gotten a writing credit, but based on that rumor + this song i feel fairly confident that he had a major role of some sort in that song.

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 04:57 (eleven years ago)

i assumed he meant he recorded that during the same session when he did his drunk in love remix or whatever?

https://soundcloud.com/freebandzglobal/future-drunk-in-love

Jacques_Lamure, Monday, 17 March 2014 06:19 (eleven years ago)

XO might also be my favorite video of hers, very simple yet ecstatic, I didn't think of her as an extraordinarily attractive woman up until this video. Her smile on here makes me swoon.

Moka, Monday, 17 March 2014 06:54 (eleven years ago)

swooniest b smile is at the end of the countdown video

http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/bey14.gif

all is fair in love and womp (monotony), Monday, 17 March 2014 08:04 (eleven years ago)

yeah i kinda tend to assume Jacques is right that he was referring to his remix of "Drunk." if Justin Timberlake and Miguel can get writing credits on the album for contributing ideas and singing some backup vocals but not really being visible guests, i dunno why Future wouldn't, Beyonce's clearly not trying to Lauryn Hill away credit from her collaborators. also Future got a writing credit on French Montana's "Paranoid" and he's not on that.

acluelessdic (some dude), Monday, 17 March 2014 11:05 (eleven years ago)

wasn't his "Drunk" remix with a re-recorded beat, not with the original Detail track tho? none of this quite makes sense

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:32 (eleven years ago)

yeah i definitely don't think he's saying "we did this at the same time i recorded my remix"

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:45 (eleven years ago)

Whatever he actually means, I seriously doubt he contributed to the song as B recorded it. Why would an album that openly acknowledges dozens of famous collaborators keep one secret? Occam's razor imo.

acluelessdic (some dude), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:26 (eleven years ago)

i don't know!

how could a commercial jet just vanish from the face of the earth?

le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:27 (eleven years ago)

Lol

Tim F, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:30 (eleven years ago)

"Tapout" is a year old so Future and Detail have probably been in the studio together for a while, Fut definitely could have spit on the "Drunk" beat first

acluelessdic (some dude), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:30 (eleven years ago)

feeling really cheated that 'dumb pseud' was already done years ago :(

imago, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:31 (eleven years ago)

after listening to the intro again i'm starting to think jordan might be onto something

http://www.buzzfeed.com/naomizeichner/did-future-psychically-predict-beyonces-drunk-in-love

future's rep says “he was NOT involved in working on ‘Drunk in Love.’”

but the rep also says that good morning was recorded BEFORE drunk in love (!?!?)

Jacques_Lamure, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:38 (eleven years ago)

and here's a clip with detail where he says beyonce 'pretty much wrote everything' on the song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVIOvouRjpc

MYSTERY

Jacques_Lamure, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:51 (eleven years ago)

the world may never know ;_;

imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 21:12 (eleven years ago)

cmon aren't you guys supposed to be journalists?!

Jacques_Lamure, Monday, 17 March 2014 21:44 (eleven years ago)

"Good Morning" references "Worst Behavior," which came out less than 3 months before "Drunk In Love"...not implausible, but definitely makes the chronology of things a little clearer.

acluelessdic (some dude), Monday, 17 March 2014 22:41 (eleven years ago)

http://www.eatthecorn.com/dossiers/pics/influences/jfk_2.jpg

"The attempted assassination on De Gaulle. The breakup of Destiny's Child. The disappearance of that Malaysian airliner. Future's appearance as as major songwriter. Do these sound like a bunch of coincidences to you, Mr. Garrison? Not for one minute."

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 March 2014 22:45 (eleven years ago)

aaand the "Drunk" video was shot in August: http://theybf.com/2013/08/18/beyonce-jay-z-shoot-collabo-video-in-miami-together

granted, Future was in the studio with Drake a lot last year and could've heard "Worst" before it was out, but still xp

acluelessdic (some dude), Monday, 17 March 2014 22:46 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JAK1VdV6so

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:22 (eleven years ago)

The Originator. He had it lying around for months.

breastcrawl, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:24 (eleven years ago)

-________-

The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 21:13 (eleven years ago)

hahahaha that song

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 22:21 (eleven years ago)

Here's a studio version of "Good Morning": http://rapxclusive.com/future-good-morning/

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Thursday, 20 March 2014 02:12 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

This official Blow remix is pretty good:

https://soundcloud.com/beyoncemusic/blow-monsieur-adi-remix/s-kDQOC

Greer, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:18 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

https://soundcloud.com/bootsonboots/dreams-ft-beyonce

Greer, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 22:07 (eleven years ago)

Total anecdotal, but I had never heard this album until today (pretty good, you heard it here first), but I was prompted to listen, finally, by a think-piece that posited it vanished off the radar after its release, and that the release itself was the event, not the music itself. So it occurred to me, having now heard it, that I'm not sure I've heard any of these songs in public. Does it/did it get radio play? Also, maybe Beyonce hurt its chances a bit by touring for months before the album's release?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 15:34 (eleven years ago)

man i hear "drunk in love" everywhere

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 15:54 (eleven years ago)

Huh. I'll give it a listen again. Is there another one I should be hearing out and about?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 15:54 (eleven years ago)

yeah "drunk in love" feels like about as public a meme as a song can be at this point! SURFBORDT, etc. she's had decent radio play as far as i can tell but she pretty explicitly says on the album that she's not playing by radio's rules, or the industry rules generally

that thinkpiece positing that it vanished off the radar was so dumb, of all recent EVENT albums this feels like the one that persisted most - the nature of it means it took on a very organic post-event life

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)

also considering that "flawless" technically isn't available for public consumption as a standalone thing, the extent to which it's also become something of a public meme - I WOKE UP LIKE THIS!!!! - is astonishing

fwiw, this album's public presence hasn't even died down much since its release - talking public as in irl discussion, twitter, facebook; i know all of that's self-selecting to an extent but it's not just bey stans or music industry people by any means

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 15:59 (eleven years ago)

"xo" and "partition" are the other singles so far i think? and i just read "pretty hurts" will be released next week

GIVE US "FLAWLESS" FFS BEY

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:00 (eleven years ago)

has anyone else had that experience where you hear "drunk in love" in public and obviously sing along to every word and inflection and then jay-z comes in and it's so terrible but you actually welcome him because of the sheer value in communal eye-rolling/visible cringing??

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:09 (eleven years ago)

nope

write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:12 (eleven years ago)

no

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:12 (eleven years ago)

never

smhphony orchestra (crüt), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:15 (eleven years ago)

it's a good feeling!

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:15 (eleven years ago)

I mean, obv the answer is "yes" because you've experienced this with other people, unless you are actually going through an "A Beautiful Mind"-esque breakdown. but this doesn't strike me as something that is done by most people

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:16 (eleven years ago)

People all standing around unable to control their mouths and shrugging their shoulders at random intervals.

Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:21 (eleven years ago)

"Drunk In Love" and "Partition" are both top 5 song on urban radio now (plus another Beyonce song, "Part II" from the last Jay-Z album, is in the top 10). "Rocket" seems to be on the verge of blowing up too, and i'm guessing a couple more singles will keep it on the radio for the full calendar year. the album is selling pretty steadily every week still. but "XO" didn't succeed in bringing Beyonce back to pop radio, which hasn't fully embraced her since "Halo" 5 years ago, so in the sense that R&B music and R&B fans are invisible, sure, it's disappeared.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:53 (eleven years ago)

drop the bass man the bass get low
radio say speed it up, i just go slow

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 16:57 (eleven years ago)

Drunk in Love peaked at #6 on radio overall, and I've heard it, Partition, and Rocket (!) all on the radio as well. XO indeed failed to bring her back to pop radio, but not even pop radio could completely deny Drunk in Love, which is why it peaked at #12 on pop radio, MUCH higher than XO did.

has anyone else had that experience where you hear "drunk in love" in public and obviously sing along to every word and inflection and then jay-z comes in and it's so terrible but you actually welcome him because of the sheer value in communal eye-rolling/visible cringing??

Had the opposite experience. Heard it in a club, people were singing along to every lyric including the Jay-Z verse. Their communal enthusiasm was infectious enough to make me briefly forget my own distaste for it and join them.

Greer, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:04 (eleven years ago)

has anyone else had that experience where you hear "drunk in love" in public and obviously sing along to every word and inflection and then jay-z comes in and it's so terrible but you actually welcome him because of the sheer value in communal eye-rolling/visible cringing??

― lex pretend, Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:09 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark

i heard "drunk in love" last night in public and i had this revelation that i'm kind of into jay's verse now

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

Also pop radio definitely has grown reticent to play her but urban radio has been consistently supporting her music, which is why three of the singles from 4 still went top five on urban radio despite almost never getting play anywhere else.

Greer, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:08 (eleven years ago)

if i was gonna write a defense of it i would say that its sloppiness and "fuck it i'm having fun who cares if this is stupid" kinda steez at least matches the ethos of the song

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:21 (eleven years ago)

if "pretty hurts" is indeed next i suppose that could be a successful return to pop radio for her... kinda bitter it couldn't have been "blow" tho :/

as a song "pretty hurts" is far from my favorite on the album, but its video is still super moving to me, so my feelings are mixed re: its possible release

dyl, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:24 (eleven years ago)

haven't listened to this album in a long time

surm, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:25 (eleven years ago)

pretty hurts being a single is weird because at this point I would have thought beyonce completely wrote off pop radio play

katherine, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 17:56 (eleven years ago)

OTOH I feel like every song on here except "Superpower" sounds like it could be a single

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:01 (eleven years ago)

me and my gf had a total moment yelling "eat the cake, Annie Mae" at each other last week

steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:30 (eleven years ago)

This is kind of touched on in Tom Ewing's great rebuttal but the way this album lives can completely depend on your circles and who you're around. Besides my friends still quoting lyrics at each other all the time, I work in a community center in a black neighborhood and it's ALWAYS coming off of some girl's phone. (The boys seem to mostly be into YG and Young Thug right now.)

steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:36 (eleven years ago)

met up with my brother last weekend who's only just got the album so we spent 10 minutes agreeing how fucking great it is.

feel like "thinkpieces" are all just best ignored forever tbh.

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:40 (eleven years ago)

also the other day me and our Han singing bits of "Drunk in Love" for hours cos we heard it on the radio

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:41 (eleven years ago)

i mean maybe the next time somebody has some half-arsed "thought" about pop culture they shd check outside of their tiny fucking bubble before they write 1500 words

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:42 (eleven years ago)

I suppose it's pretty old school to think of a hit as something you hear all over the place, not just some places, sometimes. Tbh haven't been tuned in to the ringtone scene. But for this old(er) guy, yeah, that's how I've always gauged a hit before - how often I hear it whether I want to or not.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:43 (eleven years ago)

has anyone else had that experience where you hear "drunk in love" in public and obviously sing along to every word and inflection and then jay-z comes in and it's so terrible but you actually welcome him because of the sheer value in communal eye-rolling/visible cringing??

Other drivers have this reaction when they watch me sing every word and inflection.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:45 (eleven years ago)

i still never really care about "Drunk" when it's on. however i find myself singing along to album tracks i never thought i'd be that fond of like "Superpower" and "Mine."

some dude, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:48 (eleven years ago)

don't have a specific thing for "Drunk", it just seems to have got the vast bulk of the TV/radio play over here

waterflow ductile laser beam (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:50 (eleven years ago)

the chorus to "Mine" is super catchy

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:50 (eleven years ago)

only heard "Drunk in Love" here, mostly at night.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:04 (eleven years ago)

happy to hear that about superpower, some dude!

This is kind of touched on in Tom Ewing's great rebuttal but the way this album lives can completely depend on your circles and who you're around. Besides my friends still quoting lyrics at each other all the time, I work in a community center in a black neighborhood and it's ALWAYS coming off of some girl's phone. (The boys seem to mostly be into YG and Young Thug right now.)

― steendriver dysphoria hoos (The Reverend), Wednesday, April 23, 2014 7:36 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

v true

surm, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:14 (eleven years ago)

yea every time i hear Drunk In Love on the radio (which is a lot) i just kinda get bummed cuz it should be something else on the radio

surm, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:43 (eleven years ago)

i am always happy when i hear it or one of its remixes on the radio (which is a lot)

dyl, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)

:)

surm, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 20:32 (eleven years ago)

i always liked it, but it really clicked with me that "drunk in love" was something special when i saw bey live and even in the context of all her other material the electricity for that song was off the scale

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 April 2014 07:50 (eleven years ago)

does beyonce get played on radio 1?

online hardman, Thursday, 24 April 2014 08:05 (eleven years ago)

lol they played "xo" for a while even tho "drunk in love" was charting much higher and then months later they playlisted "drunk in love" even tho the public has largely stopped buying it.

dyl, Thursday, 24 April 2014 16:06 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

Saw the video for "Pretty Hurts" on Fuse yesterday morning; I'd forgotten exactly how much of a punch to the face that song becomes when married to the video.

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 11 July 2014 17:58 (eleven years ago)

agreed, it's really moving.

her label seems to be trying to sell "pretty hurts" to radio (urban and rhythmic mostly rather than pop, bizarrely) but it's not really working. i'm not surprised -- i like the song too, but the video is what gives it most of its impact. i guess pop radio has abandoned her.

dyl, Friday, 11 July 2014 18:18 (eleven years ago)

i dunno hasn't it only been sent to 'rhythmic' stations, not R&B stations? wouldn't really make sense to send a Sia co-write to a format that has never played one. afaict they're just letting "Partition" ride out until there's a new urban single (as i mentioned in the album poll thread, "Rocket" has been in rotation in D.C. since April but it doesn't seem to be getting widespread play yet).

some dude, Friday, 11 July 2014 20:35 (eleven years ago)

i hope that is the case (would much rather hear "rocket"), but it looks like "pretty hurts" is nearing the top 30 on mediabase's urban radio chart (they have a separate rhythmic chart so i assume this panel actually contains r&b stations). i would be surprised if it got that high just based on unsolicited plays considering it's a track that i wouldn't expect r&b radio to be touching ordinarily.

dyl, Saturday, 12 July 2014 05:32 (eleven years ago)

http://instagram.com/p/qxU_57vw0F/

The Reverend, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 23:31 (eleven years ago)

not the instagram i was expecting!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 23:44 (eleven years ago)

i feel absolutely the opposite way. this is a good song but being asked to feel sympathy for her re: her self-image through the video is totally vulgar, imo (oh btw check out my perfectly framed perfect butt 5 minutes in). i dare say we all have our vulnerabilities but i'm not going to try to start feeling sorry for one of the most beautiful and privileged women in the world. no way. it's obscene.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 00:51 (eleven years ago)

I've never felt that the song was literally about her though - the character in the video is more of a sympathetic "there but for the grace of god" depiction, I always thought.

Tim F, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 00:59 (eleven years ago)

yeah and it's certainly not imploring us to feel sorry for her

dyl, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 03:13 (eleven years ago)

where the fuck do you buy that vinyl

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 03:49 (eleven years ago)

amazon has it for forty bucks

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 04:08 (eleven years ago)

Ehhh

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:51 (eleven years ago)

Beyonce and Nicki on "Flawless" remix alert http://flawless.beyonce.com

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 3 August 2014 04:24 (eleven years ago)

"of course some shit go down when there's a billion dollars on that elevator" does not sound like all has been worked out

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 August 2014 04:51 (eleven years ago)

spottieottiedopalicious nod!

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 August 2014 04:53 (eleven years ago)

i've warmed to nicki's last three guest spots and this is pretty good

go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 3 August 2014 04:54 (eleven years ago)

Those horns are so gloriously out of place.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 3 August 2014 05:02 (eleven years ago)

need a video of this or at least a live TV performance

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Sunday, 3 August 2014 05:07 (eleven years ago)

have to say i love "blow" by american recording artist Beyonce

jaymc, Sunday, 3 August 2014 05:55 (eleven years ago)

fuck yessss

dyl, Sunday, 3 August 2014 06:05 (eleven years ago)

i assumed the remix was done with the aim of being the next single but if anything this seems less radio-friendly than the album version. Nicki anticlimactic on this just like almost everything she's done lately imo.

some dude, Sunday, 3 August 2014 06:17 (eleven years ago)

nicki came through

not sure this entirely holds together as a song, but every line is so just the most incredible thing that it doesn't really matter.

prolego, Sunday, 3 August 2014 09:42 (eleven years ago)

throwed in Cali

nah song is still trash

nova, Sunday, 3 August 2014 09:47 (eleven years ago)

lol Nicki's whole exaggerated Wayne shtick omg just stop seriously

nova, Sunday, 3 August 2014 09:49 (eleven years ago)

feel like Drake took Wayne's flow and drained it of all its spontaneity while Nicki took the most "bizarre" aspects of Wayne's style and turned it up to 100, neither of which result in much good music

nova, Sunday, 3 August 2014 09:50 (eleven years ago)

OF COURSE SOMETIME SHIT GO DOWN WHEN IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS IN AN ELEVATOR

uberweiss, Sunday, 3 August 2014 10:46 (eleven years ago)

THE QUEEN OF RAP SLAYING WITH QUEEN B
IF YOU AIN'T ON THE TEAM YOU PLAYING FOR TEAM D

uberweiss, Sunday, 3 August 2014 10:48 (eleven years ago)

the list of people B is a better rapper than keeps getting demonstrably longer

Simon H., Sunday, 3 August 2014 14:08 (eleven years ago)

lex is going to literally die when he hears this

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Sunday, 3 August 2014 14:33 (eleven years ago)

On hotel wifi but the site won't fucking play on my phone. Why are androids such pieces of shit

lex pretend, Sunday, 3 August 2014 16:21 (eleven years ago)

try this?

https://soundcloud.com/martini-blue/beyonce-x-nicki-minaj-flawless-remix

prolego, Sunday, 3 August 2014 16:41 (eleven years ago)

bey impersonating "monster" nicki >>>>>>>>>>>

THEM BITCHES THIRSTY, I'M HUNGARIAN
NICKI BEY BE EATING DIAMOND FANGS, BARBARIAN
ARGHHH

prolego, Sunday, 3 August 2014 16:58 (eleven years ago)

i assumed the remix was done with the aim of being the next single but if anything this seems less radio-friendly than the album version.

lol i thought this too... i'm guessing radio stations will hack together some edit that's like the album version w/ nicki replacing the feminist speech. i've heard some truly bizarre edits on r&b radio so i wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do anyway.

THE QUEEN OF RAP SLAYING WITH QUEEN B
IF YOU AIN'T ON THE TEAM YOU PLAYING FOR TEAM D

i love this so much

dyl, Sunday, 3 August 2014 17:25 (eleven years ago)

Beyonce's shriek after "of course sometimes shit go down when it's a billion dollars in an elevator" is like the most wonderful single moment

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 3 August 2014 17:27 (eleven years ago)

i think i like the repurposing of goddamngoddamngoddamn right afterwards even more

prolego, Sunday, 3 August 2014 17:41 (eleven years ago)

Oh yes that too. I wish I could be that whole moment for halloween.

DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 3 August 2014 19:09 (eleven years ago)

lmaooo my radio station just played this, except they didn't edit any of the words at all and so after all the goddamngoddamngoddamns they abruptly stopped it and switched to chingy's "right thurr"

dyl, Sunday, 3 August 2014 20:01 (eleven years ago)

lol on two counts there. "always keep 'right thurr' cued, you never know".

balls, Sunday, 3 August 2014 20:16 (eleven years ago)

i don't really see this being retooled for top-40 purposes. it's not like beyoncé has been getting any play on pop radio since, what, 'single ladies'? ebro darden of hot 97 had thoughts on this while i was sleeping (this is cobbled from twitter):

"Bey & Nicki together happened because of what I have been saying for years... Top40 radio does not care about black & brown artists. Not should they, most of their audience is neither... Bey hasn't had a POP radio hit in years! They won't play her music. They have Rihanna, Jason Derulo, Nico & Vinz, Zendaya Coleman... No Bey. They'll still place Madonna on Top40 tho... Not Bey! So now Iggy Azalea comes thru and they wanna crown her despite her wanting to remain humble cause she only has one song! (This is not a knock against Iggy... Listen to her song's content. If that was a black woman would they play it? This is the story of popular music in America. The Rolling Stones, Elvis, The Beatles.. They became pop.. The originators didn't.)

So now Bey & Nicki collab because they must show solidarity in a climate that is not embracing people that look like them! The industry tells me Im too racial. Well.. Is it me? Or is it just how humans enjoy things that look like them. People they can "relate" to. Granted.. I don't believe Nicki & Bey need Top40, I have always welcomed them home to HOT97 after they got done climbing that mountain."

https://twitter.com/oldmanebro

maura, Sunday, 3 August 2014 21:30 (eleven years ago)

oh i didn't mean top 40 radio. but every Beyonce album has like 5 hits on urban radio and a remix with Nicki Minaj seems on the surface like a good candidate for that.

some dude, Sunday, 3 August 2014 21:57 (eleven years ago)

ebro is pretty questionable in a lot of his judgments but he's more or less right there.

some dude, Sunday, 3 August 2014 22:00 (eleven years ago)

yeah if top 40 radio didn't touch "pretty hurts" there is no way they will play any of the album's other tracks

dyl, Sunday, 3 August 2014 22:13 (eleven years ago)

there was a time just ten years ago where to 40 was all black artists, like R&B/hip-hop radio was a direct line to the pop charts and rhythmic / R&B were different primarily just because rhythmic didn't play gospel on sundays

rap steve gadd (D-40), Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:05 (eleven years ago)

Yeah, ten years ago I didn't even really understand the distinction.

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:18 (eleven years ago)

Here the gay dance music station plays gospel on weekends? It's weird.

The Reverend, Sunday, 3 August 2014 23:19 (eleven years ago)

Gospel got me feeling emotions.

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Monday, 4 August 2014 03:21 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWOVh6ArIGo

You are exactly why people root for the apes (Eric H.), Monday, 4 August 2014 03:24 (eleven years ago)

nooooooooooooooooooo
https://www.twitmusic.com/lilkim/songs/beyonce-ft-lil-kim-flawless-remix

prolego, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:06 (eleven years ago)

actually cried from laughing so hard lmao

dyl, Tuesday, 5 August 2014 00:08 (eleven years ago)

i think i like the repurposing of goddamngoddamngoddamn right afterwards even more

― prolego, Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:41 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and the repurposing of the family shoutouts (a very underrated part of the original)

this obviously gives me an immense amount of life but i sort of wish there had been a way of keeping chimamanda on while still adding nicki

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 August 2014 11:30 (eleven years ago)

also i've just finished my first adichie novel (half of a yellow sun - brilliant) and has she been interviewed about being sampled by bey yet??

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 August 2014 11:31 (eleven years ago)

http://www.npr.org/2014/03/18/291133080/news-maker

I think that anything that gets young people talking about feminism is a very good thing. I also think that I have a problem with the idea of feminism as being some sort of exclusive party that someone gets to decide whether you can come, and also the idea that somehow a woman who is comfortable with her sexuality, that there's something wrong with that. I have a problem with that ... Why have we decided that somehow a woman celebrating her sexuality somehow is something bad? Maybe it's that slightly puritan idea, it's also the idea that sex is something a woman gives a man, and she loses something when she does that, which again for me is nonsense. I want us to raise girls differently where boys and girls start to see sexuality as something that they own, rather than something that a boy takes from a girl.

Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, 7 August 2014 11:33 (eleven years ago)

i heard the flawless remix on the radio today, this time it had words edited out and therefore sounded like the biggest mess of a radio edit since "lookin ass"

dyl, Saturday, 9 August 2014 03:22 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

everyone salivating over how amazing her VMA performance was but I don't get it; staging was boring, cutting all the songs down to like 1 minutes was dumb and cluttered, 'feminist' messaging seemed kind of lame coming after a stripper chair dance followed by a set with poles in it.

akm, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 22:14 (ten years ago)

stripper chair dance and poles entirely compatible with feminism and indeed that juxtaposition was her entire point

agree about cutting the songs down though, h8 medleys. it was impressive but maybe giving say 3-4 songs their full time would've been more effective

lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:13 (ten years ago)

I think that she wanted to commit to the whole album instead of just singles but it backfired, at least for me.

This was pretty much my facebook this morning:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/1f8864a2d500aeb017f679d03551d03c/tumblr_mnwgzpYi6G1sunmu1o1_1280.png

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:25 (ten years ago)

classy

Everyone's a closet ned. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:28 (ten years ago)

i loved the performance and i thought the part with adichie's speech was very bold & moving BUT i did wish several times that she would have cut down on the number of songs she tried to incorporate into the medley. she did a remarkable job considering the resolve to include parts of all the album's songs tho.

i don't think her "partition" performance is at odds with bey's feminist views whatsoever & i don't think it was merely coincidental that the adichie part began with the part about how girls are taught they're not supposed to be sexual like boys are (that line comes later in the monologue in the album version)

above img is fucking reprehensible, ppl are actually sharing that?

dyl, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:06 (ten years ago)

If we're at the point where we're hating on or finding flaws in a performance like that, I don't think we realise how good we have it.

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:12 (ten years ago)

yea otm performance was p great, unfriend anyone sharing that macro stat

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:13 (ten years ago)

I think it's a #solidarityisforwhitewomen joke but I am not sure.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 01:19 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6266681/beyonce-harvard-case-study

Most delicious of all, though, are the details Elberse and Smith unearthed about the process of creating Beyonce. They peek inside the Hamptons house she rented in the summer of 2012 to serve as production headquarters for the record, drawing in collaborators like Sia, Hit-Boy and The-Dream. Said Callahan-Longo: “We rented a house for a month. Everyone would have dinner together every night and break off into different rooms and work on music. She had five or six rooms going, each set up as a studio, and would go from room to room and say things like ‘I think that song needs that person’s input.’ Normally you would not see songs have two or more producers, but it was really collaborative.”

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:05 (ten years ago)

that's def been out there before? i think she said that in one of those videos about making the album

snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:31 (ten years ago)

also that's exactly how she made b'day :-)

shots at harvard not forks

snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:32 (ten years ago)

no, that's okay; I wasn't aware she did a modified assembly line production approach. It solidifies my sense of her voice guiding these albums to the extent it appears to be.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:36 (ten years ago)

Beyoncé rented the Sony Music Studios in New York City, and was influenced by her husband Jay-Z's method of collaborating with multiple record producers;[12] she used four recording studios simultaneously.[13] She booked Harrison, Jerkins and Garrett, each with a room to work in.[8] During the sessions, Beyoncé would move from studio to studio to check her producers' progress, later claiming this fostered "healthy competition" among producers.[8] When Beyoncé conceived a potential song, she would tell the group who would deliberate, and after three hours the song would be created.[6] While Beyoncé and the team brainstormed the lyrics, other collaborators such as the Neptunes, Jerkins and Swizz Beatz would simultaneously produce the tracks.[6] They would sometimes begin working at eleven o'clock, spending up to fourteen hours a day in the studios during the recording process.[6] Beyoncé arranged, co-wrote and co-produced all the songs.[8] Makeba Riddick, in an interview with MTV News, recounted her experience in the production:

[Beyoncé] had multiple producers in Sony Studios. She booked out the whole studio and she had the biggest and best producers in there. She would have us in one room, we would start collaborating with one producer, then she would go and start something else with another producer. We would bounce around to the different rooms and work with the different producers. It was definitely a factory type of process.[6]

snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:37 (ten years ago)

that's from the b'day wiki

snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:38 (ten years ago)

"We rented a house for a month. Everyone would have dinner together every night and break off into different rooms and work on music. She had five or six rooms going, each set up as a studio."

or, in drake's case, she stuck a tape recorder in the kitchen pantry and told him he had five minutes.

you little affront to god (reddening), Friday, 3 October 2014 10:39 (ten years ago)

we never did get a hq version of the "flawless" remix -_-

lex pretend, Friday, 3 October 2014 13:09 (ten years ago)

Yeah, I don't know why she couldn't be bothered to just plop the remix on itunes or something. The song is top 3 on Urban and top 20 on Rhythmic and you can't even buy it or stream it officially.

On that note, are people finding that radio is playing both versions of the song or just the remix?

Greer, Friday, 3 October 2014 13:39 (ten years ago)

i've only heard the remix on radio so far

chart-wise chimimanda adichie is also credited (in a 'feat. artist x or artist y' situation) probably b/c that's the only version ppl can buy thus far

dyl, Friday, 3 October 2014 14:58 (ten years ago)

The one time I heard the remix on the radio was getting into a limo for my uncle's funeral procession last weekend. That was awkward.

💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 15:15 (ten years ago)

three weeks pass...

https://vine.co/v/OKU3v9xae97

, Saturday, 25 October 2014 14:41 (ten years ago)

somewhat surprised i hadn't made the kafka connection until seeing that

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 October 2014 15:45 (ten years ago)

As Beyonce Knowles awoke one morning from uneasy dreams she found herself transformed in her bed into a gigantic celebrity.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Sunday, 26 October 2014 01:26 (ten years ago)

real or unreal?

http://wp-images.emusic.com/assets/B1YusWiCYAE-EUX.jpg

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 2 November 2014 20:03 (ten years ago)

put a DONK on it

Number None, Sunday, 2 November 2014 20:12 (ten years ago)

and still no audio of Grown Woman!

piscesx, Sunday, 2 November 2014 21:44 (ten years ago)

Murgatroid's thread title could finally be vindicated if there really IS a new Beyonce album coming out in 2014

some dude, Sunday, 2 November 2014 22:24 (ten years ago)

TRUTHBOMB

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 2 November 2014 22:39 (ten years ago)

now what a Beyonce song called "Sensation of Pain" sounds like.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 November 2014 22:44 (ten years ago)

Probably like Haunted.

And yeah, she managed to keep an entire album and accompanying videos for each song under wraps until she felt like releasing it, I doubt a memo is going to leak with the release date and tracklist for any planned re-releases.

Greer, Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:14 (ten years ago)

yeah but that took a ton of effort and secrecy and leaving ppl out of the loop and a deluxe ed of an album is prob not going to be as hi profile

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:46 (ten years ago)

i do wanna know what the platinum edition is gonna be tho, i've been hearing radio promos that mention that it will be on itunes "soon"

dyl, Monday, 3 November 2014 02:00 (ten years ago)

she should've got nicki on all the remixes. no one needs pharrell or swagu on these songs.

prolego, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 11:57 (ten years ago)

That " LIVE" DVD looks lame as hell

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:20 (ten years ago)

ho hum

"standing on the sun" was never officially released in the first place, right?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:21 (ten years ago)

the mr vegas remix has been on soundcloud for months. she's never released the original version.

prolego, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:32 (ten years ago)

and still no audio of Grown Woman!

― piscesx, Sunday, 2 November 2014 21:44 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

prolego, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:33 (ten years ago)

is there actually a way to convert the video file to an mp3 or m4a?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:38 (ten years ago)

there will be, i just found an mp3 link online because i'm clueless.

prolego, Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:47 (ten years ago)

There is but its not going to sound as good as it would if it was just an audio file to begin with

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 12:54 (ten years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://pitchfork.com/news/57528-beyonce-releases-new-songs-711-and-ring-off/

Not sure I'm into either song tbh.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 November 2014 06:00 (ten years ago)

so 2000 and 13

Popture, Friday, 21 November 2014 07:52 (ten years ago)

At least the standard edition still holds up.

Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Friday, 21 November 2014 08:06 (ten years ago)

yeah neither of these are touching "world wide woman"

prolego, Friday, 21 November 2014 10:31 (ten years ago)

these songs are giving me flashbacks to beyoncé's year of trolling us with shoddy snippets

lex pretend, Friday, 21 November 2014 11:55 (ten years ago)

"7/11" is fun in a Bey going full trap star way. One of those sings where the fact it's going to piss a large audience segment off just makes me like it even more. The other one is just ok. Sounds like something cut from the Afro-poppy "Grown Woman"/"Standing on the Sun" early configuration of Beyoncé, which I'm not sure anyone really needs in a post-Nico & Vinz world.

I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend), Friday, 21 November 2014 22:01 (ten years ago)

7/11 is not good at all imo the whole "hands up" fixation sounds like a parody to me. and it would be a good one! like... an SNL skit of beyonce exaggeratedly stomping on tables.

i'm really fucking w/ ring off tho... i feel what rev is saying but i like that beat a lot.

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 November 2014 22:21 (ten years ago)

"7/11" sounds like it knows that "Get Me Bodied" is secretly the best Beyonce song but doesn't really successfully get anywhere near it

nakhchi little van (some dude), Friday, 21 November 2014 22:49 (ten years ago)

One of those sings where the fact it's going to piss a large audience segment off just makes me like it even more.

yes i agree with this

the part toward the end is pretty interesting too. idk it didn't sound like much when i first played it but i heard it on the radio today and it sounded nice tbh. however i don't really care for "ring off" and basically feel like this re-release is unnecessary. i guess it's good to have the flawless/drunk in love remixes to purchase now.

dyl, Friday, 21 November 2014 22:50 (ten years ago)

it was pretty funny to hear the local stations play literally dozens of negative phone calls (and maybe one positive one) about "7/11"

nakhchi little van (some dude), Friday, 21 November 2014 22:53 (ten years ago)

haaaaaa at this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4YRWT_Aldo

I Love Makonnen: New Answers (The Reverend), Saturday, 22 November 2014 01:06 (ten years ago)

Video is so great. Song sounds like something that should've been on Ciara's last LP.

Greer, Saturday, 22 November 2014 03:57 (ten years ago)

well the scrapped version of that album

the chicago rapper who had the beat first did it justice too http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2014/11/meet-ace-b8gie-beyonces-711-beat-first.html/

J0rdan S., Saturday, 22 November 2014 04:01 (ten years ago)

that video is like everything about media in 2014 at once. gopro/selfie/vine culture. (retrospectively, was harlem shake the most important music thing of the past five years?)

a total laugh package (s.clover), Saturday, 22 November 2014 04:37 (ten years ago)

that foot dial

a total laugh package (s.clover), Saturday, 22 November 2014 04:42 (ten years ago)

selfie video is very fun; how could you be more of the moment that this? it's apex bey.
song not so much so

Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 November 2014 05:14 (ten years ago)

no, i already kinda liked the song but now the video has revealed to me its secret genius

dyl, Saturday, 22 November 2014 09:52 (ten years ago)

OMG I need that KALE sweatshirt

, Saturday, 22 November 2014 15:10 (ten years ago)

over/under on how many THINKPIECES this results in: 6, I'm taking the over. love it tho

also my phone apparently autocapitalizes the word thinkpieces & that is mildly distressing and also hysterical

search datpiff, you'll find it (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 22 November 2014 15:25 (ten years ago)

ring off is prob the better song of the two but the beat on this one knocks like a motherfucker & it's real fun

search datpiff, you'll find it (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 22 November 2014 15:26 (ten years ago)

I love that "ring off" sounds like a king sunny ade track in the verses, but there's no apparent relationship between the music and beyonce's singing.

Tim F, Saturday, 22 November 2014 19:39 (ten years ago)

Dunno about thinkpieces but I'm putting money down on trendpieces when sales of briefs for ladies skyrocket

da croupier, Saturday, 22 November 2014 20:51 (ten years ago)

the upbeat bittersweet lyric of "ring off" totally matches the music

504 Gateway Timeout Boyz (some dude), Saturday, 22 November 2014 21:26 (ten years ago)

the lyric definitely does but the vocal melody doesn't, at least not yet for me.

Tim F, Saturday, 22 November 2014 21:31 (ten years ago)

it's only been about a year, but the full album is now up on spotify along with bonus platinum edition tracks

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:18 (ten years ago)

end of year critics push i'd guess

Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 November 2014 16:54 (ten years ago)

what's good of the new stuff

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 November 2014 17:28 (ten years ago)

no, i already kinda liked the song but now the video has revealed to me its secret genius

― dyl, Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:52 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
this. so FUN.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 November 2014 18:20 (ten years ago)

(And I probably won't write anything more on it than that.)

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 24 November 2014 18:21 (ten years ago)

all the videos are up on vevo now too :)

dyl, Monday, 24 November 2014 20:15 (ten years ago)

haunted just clicked for me in a big way

Face facts poptimism hacks, your a scam. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 27 November 2014 17:56 (ten years ago)

i watched the 7/11 vid for the first time - did someone show bey tim and eric or

johnny crunch, Friday, 5 December 2014 05:12 (ten years ago)

7/11 is not good at all imo the whole "hands up" fixation sounds like a parody to me. and it would be a good one! like... an SNL skit of beyonce exaggeratedly stomping on tables.

i'm really fucking w/ ring off tho... i feel what rev is saying but i like that beat a lot.

― J0rdan S., Friday, November 21, 2014 5:21 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea it is ttly lonely island but it aalmost works, like could be a wedding jam

johnny crunch, Friday, 5 December 2014 05:14 (ten years ago)

it completely works, soty

dyl, Friday, 5 December 2014 05:34 (ten years ago)

fresher than youuuuuuuuu

dyl, Friday, 5 December 2014 05:35 (ten years ago)

Yes, Tim & Eric invented selfie culture.

burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb ranks (The Reverend), Friday, 5 December 2014 12:41 (ten years ago)

i watched the 7/11 vid for the first time - did someone show bey tim and eric or

― johnny crunch, Friday, December 5, 2014 12:12 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is so offbase i don't even

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Friday, 5 December 2014 14:54 (ten years ago)

i watched tim and eric for the first time - did someone show them an r&b video or

celfie tucker 48 (s.clover), Friday, 5 December 2014 14:55 (ten years ago)

who the fuck are tim and eric

lex pretend, Friday, 5 December 2014 15:40 (ten years ago)

american avant-comedy bros who have absolutely nothing in common with the 7/11 video

Simon H., Friday, 5 December 2014 15:43 (ten years ago)

avant-comedy bros

― Simon H., Friday, December 5, 2014 3:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have never encountered a worse description of anyone

lex pretend, Friday, 5 December 2014 15:44 (ten years ago)

i watched tim and eric for the first time - did someone show them an r&b video or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImzpbDutRU

Eric H., Friday, 5 December 2014 15:45 (ten years ago)

i have never encountered a worse description of anyone

― lex pretend, Friday, 5 December 2014 10:44 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yeah the intent was to keep you from investigating any further

Simon H., Friday, 5 December 2014 15:49 (ten years ago)

i feel like tim and eric is lex kryptonite

a stupid red mute juggalo (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 December 2014 16:49 (ten years ago)

Comedy is, iirc.

Eric H., Friday, 5 December 2014 17:15 (ten years ago)

omg lex please, please, please watch some Tim & Eric videos and describe how you feel abt them

fgti jaq, it's chinavision! (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:57 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDr742MGZJ8

fgti jaq, it's chinavision! (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:58 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOjWqL3vVtc

fgti jaq, it's chinavision! (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:05 (ten years ago)

I hope you like 'em all!

Eric H., Friday, 5 December 2014 20:06 (ten years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8u4CEBVq7s

Eric H., Friday, 5 December 2014 20:07 (ten years ago)

guys, stop shitting up the Beyonce thread

burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb ranks (The Reverend), Friday, 5 December 2014 22:09 (ten years ago)

"The tradition in which Beyoncé works is not merely bad music, but a form of blasphemy — though, unlike the outrage among devout African-Americans when Ray Charles or Sam Cooke or even Aretha Franklin used the gospel sound to sing about not God’s love but that of men and women on earth, no one is offended. The opposite is true: ... the falsity itself, felt and embraced, delivers its own kind of gratification, its own thrill."

- Greil Marcus, heroic

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:02 (ten years ago)

fuck greil marcus

resting waterface (m bison), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:09 (ten years ago)

well i've seen him recently, so probably not

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:10 (ten years ago)

Har har still got it

resting waterface (m bison), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:10 (ten years ago)

the sound of all recent pop divas tends twd a certain sonic fascism, tho

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:12 (ten years ago)

Did "drunk in love" advocate for violent nationalism in some underground remix I didn't know about?

resting waterface (m bison), Saturday, 13 December 2014 15:15 (ten years ago)

what even the hell

burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb ranks (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 December 2014 21:12 (ten years ago)

Morbius has removed the centrepiece of that quote, which is a comparison of Beyonce to Romney. In effect Marcus says that both stage performances of a particular ontology which is valued for its articulation rather than its truth-value.

The problem, obviously, is that after (interestingly) saying that conservative politics draws on the soul tradition for this effect (i.e. politics has become like music) Marcus then tries to invert the diagnosis to complain that Beyonce is like Romney (i.e. music has become like politics).

But the comparison doesn't really run both ways, or at least it can't unless you can make a convincing case for what truth-value (Beyonce's) music is supposed to carry and how/why it doesn't - it's not clear to me that there is a truth-value beyond the performance-value (I do wonder if Marcus agrees with me that Beyonce is perhaps our greatest performer currently operating).

If Marcus has attempted to address this question directly, I haven't seen it.

But it wouldn't surprise me that he's basically inferring the absence of truth-value from Beyonce's failure to live as a tragic, doomed artist.

Tim F, Saturday, 13 December 2014 22:20 (ten years ago)

also and i cant stress this enough fuck marcus greil

resting waterface (m bison), Saturday, 13 December 2014 22:23 (ten years ago)

this is even worse than when bell hooks stepped to the jezebelian level of calling yonce a "terrorist"

just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 13 December 2014 23:52 (ten years ago)

I second bison on his proclamation

just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 13 December 2014 23:52 (ten years ago)

(bell at least had a reasonable argument to make she just did so in alarmingly Fox News-esque language)

why the fuck does my phone auto capitalize fox newz wtf phone

just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 13 December 2014 23:55 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

mmm Haunted remix on the 50 Shades soundtrack

http://www.idolator.com/7576241/fifty-shades-grey-soundtrack-beyonce-jessie-ware-sia-tracklist

piscesx, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 00:03 (ten years ago)

they have the song playing on one of the trailers i think but i don't remember if it was a remixed version

dyl, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 00:04 (ten years ago)

it seems that most (all?) of that soundtrack is already-released stuff aside from 2 the Bey remixes, surprisingly.

piscesx, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 00:09 (ten years ago)

I guess not.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 00:39 (ten years ago)

xp really? where can i hear the jessie ware song

bae sremmurd (monotony), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 00:41 (ten years ago)

She's no Ashanti.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/arts/music-the-solo-beyonce-she-s-no-ashanti.html

The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 20:46 (ten years ago)

lol people mention that piece every once in awhile but I've never read it (and still am not going to tbh) but I only now found out that Kelefa Sanneh wrote it :(

Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Monday, 26 January 2015 20:49 (ten years ago)

It contains nuggets of truth in putting together a very poor case.

The Reverend, Monday, 26 January 2015 20:52 (ten years ago)

haha wow. i'm always fond of pointing out that Beyonce's tenure as R&B's biggest female solo star always seems better/more justified if you think about the fact that it was directly preceded by Ashanti's brief tenure.

diddybops 67 (120.2)(source field mix) (some dude), Monday, 26 January 2015 20:57 (ten years ago)

different times

flopson, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:24 (ten years ago)

to be fair to him ashanti is a better album than dangerously in love! though ashanti as a better artist would've been a challops even then

lex pretend, Monday, 26 January 2015 21:43 (ten years ago)

On Voodoo

My favorite song on the album is “Africa” and “Untitled” definitely inspired my song “Rocket.”

oh, you don't say

Jennifer 8.-( (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 18:26 (ten years ago)

having p much kinda ignored the newer bey songs since i first heard them i was wondering why they seemed to sound way way better on westwood's show. so i finally paid attention and he plays a megamix edit that goes

detail '7/11' "fresher than yoooouuu" backbeat remix intro > '7/11' verse > 'feeling myself' w/ nicki

the abrupt intense costume changes work really well! much like they do on the album. funny that with bey alone a chopshop seems to make more sense (and indeed can even pass without notice somewhat)

r|t|c, Sunday, 8 February 2015 16:18 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

wow, no one has tidal huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEQ9N8ccWI

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 April 2015 14:18 (ten years ago)

nope but that video is gorgeous

dyl, Monday, 6 April 2015 16:21 (ten years ago)

link is dead whats the name of it?

#wegonnabechampionship (Spottie), Monday, 6 April 2015 17:18 (ten years ago)

for the record, it's a home video style shoot (by jigga who pops up at the end) of Beyonce demoing a live song at a piano titled "Die With You" that was debuted as an exclusive on Tidal.
Not a mastered recording. Popping up and down on Youtube everywhere. The following is currently live but certainly won't be by 4pm est today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkUpCwLnL_M

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 April 2015 17:25 (ten years ago)

so good

creaks, whines and trife (s.clover), Monday, 6 April 2015 18:10 (ten years ago)

lol @ bey giving jay crumbs from her table for his new toy

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 10:54 (ten years ago)

the rihanna tidal exclusive is shit as well

lex pretend, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 10:55 (ten years ago)

It's lovely, esp w the bonus insane laugh at the end.

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Tuesday, 7 April 2015 12:37 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

can i ask for this thread to be renamed?

i am listening to this album again. i know.

surm, Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:12 (ten years ago)

Yeah, I've played it a couple times in the past week for the first time in probably half a year at least

The Reverend, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:57 (ten years ago)

me tooo

surm, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:05 (ten years ago)

I keep singing "Jealous" when I ride my bike around town.

WE WANT FET WAP (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 16 May 2015 02:47 (ten years ago)

i will even forgive that song i love this album so much

surm, Saturday, 16 May 2015 04:56 (ten years ago)

Beyonce's like the Mozart of our time. It was supposed to be Britney Spears, but it wasn't. It's Beyonce. Though she may not always be believable, she is utterly convincing.

surm, Saturday, 16 May 2015 04:58 (ten years ago)

i really love 7/11 now

flopson, Saturday, 16 May 2015 05:29 (ten years ago)

^^ me in, like, 2010 or whatever

markers, Saturday, 16 May 2015 05:31 (ten years ago)

i think i have a pretty long beyonce gestation period, this album took me a while to get into and now it's probably my #1 of the decade

flopson, Saturday, 16 May 2015 05:37 (ten years ago)

i have been bonding w/several people irl over mutual love 4 beyonce lately, it's been nice

Realhiphopshire (sleepingbag), Saturday, 16 May 2015 07:14 (ten years ago)

me too. feels v nice. 7/11 is like mass.

surm, Saturday, 16 May 2015 23:32 (ten years ago)

7/11 converted me, had no idea what she'd been doing since I dunno, Crazy in Love? Now she's my artist of the century thus far

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 17 May 2015 01:34 (ten years ago)

<3

surm, Sunday, 17 May 2015 12:11 (ten years ago)

S/o to the ppl on this and the "4" thread cos listening to the 40+ songs I ended up dloading for my phone thanks to yr recommendations ws one of the best musical times of my life

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Sunday, 17 May 2015 13:00 (ten years ago)

If you keeping your promise, I'm keeping miiiiiiinnnne

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 May 2015 13:08 (ten years ago)

:) ugh 4, 'bout to bring that one back as well

surm, Sunday, 17 May 2015 14:13 (ten years ago)

4 is the best.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Sunday, 17 May 2015 21:04 (ten years ago)

i care definitely in top 5 beyonce songs for me

surm, Monday, 18 May 2015 10:58 (ten years ago)

three months pass...

i made a text message ringtone if anyone wants it

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1873134/Flawless%20%28Remix%29.m4r

Y Kant Max Read (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 23 August 2015 17:54 (nine years ago)

"hah-HAAAA!!! *ch-ching*"

Y Kant Max Read (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 23 August 2015 17:55 (nine years ago)

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCHz1gwzTo

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 20:51 (nine years ago)

this video looks too big budget for her to not be putting out another album soon

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

video looks great, song is hm

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

i like it when the brass comes in

personally beyonce as rapper is my least favorite of the forms she can take but i like this more than "7/11" or the pre-album version of "bow down"

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:08 (nine years ago)

wonder what kind of world we would be living in if "blow" or "xo" had been the hits off the s/t instead of "drunk in love" and "flawless"

james brooks, Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:09 (nine years ago)

I don't love Bey as rapper, but this song is a grower.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:18 (nine years ago)

in the span of 30 minutes?

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:19 (nine years ago)

Well, I've listened to it a couple of times already, and I've liked it more each successive time, so if that isn't the literal definition of "grower", at least personally, then idk

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

once you hear it a few times it coheres structurally, i say this is a pretty great song

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:28 (nine years ago)

produced by mike will

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:28 (nine years ago)

and co-writte by swae lee, apparently

J0rdan S., Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:30 (nine years ago)

I hope that's Big Freedia in the intro.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:34 (nine years ago)

shit i cant wait for this album

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:38 (nine years ago)

this is the greatest thing i've ever seen. gonna go watch the video 5 more times

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:56 (nine years ago)

Whoa, she directed the video herself.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:03 (nine years ago)

Sorry Rihanna. Beyoncé takes this round.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:21 (nine years ago)

Oh snap! I was just listening to the self-titled yesterday and thinking "Isn't it about time for..."

Hey (Extended Mix), Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:24 (nine years ago)

Whoa, she directed the video herself.

Melina Matsoukas according to the NYT

Number None, Saturday, 6 February 2016 23:45 (nine years ago)

Director/producer of this video claims that Melina/Bey lifted clips from this without their permission (they asked but permission was never ultimately granted, apparently): https://vimeo.com/58423297

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 February 2016 23:56 (nine years ago)

Love this to bits.

Tim F, Sunday, 7 February 2016 00:39 (nine years ago)

hooooooly shit this video (and song)

alpine static, Sunday, 7 February 2016 00:48 (nine years ago)

Viewing 1: "That's a lot to take in."
Viewing 2: "Oh, I see you girl."
Viewing 3: "Are we finally in the future now? Because it feels like it!"

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 7 February 2016 00:51 (nine years ago)

Not here for any complaints about this, sorry. Watched the video 5 times before breakfast.

art baengels (monotony), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:00 (nine years ago)

if you post to this message board you're inherently here for the complaints

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:04 (nine years ago)

oohhhhhhh myyyy godddddd

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:15 (nine years ago)

i had periodically wondered, since beyoncé, what the fuck she could do next that could even live up to it, and e v e r y t h i n g about this is perfect

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:16 (nine years ago)

she is from another planet, my god

alpine static, Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:19 (nine years ago)

i feel like, when people say they love new songs or videos, they should stop and think about how that feeling compares to being compelled to play this repeatedly at 1am as is happening to me now. compelled!

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:20 (nine years ago)

mall dancers giving me life tbh

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:21 (nine years ago)

it's like 7/11 morphed into a protest song

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:30 (nine years ago)

choreography (plus kid dancing) is v missy

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:31 (nine years ago)

hoooooly shit this is amazing

flopson, Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:37 (nine years ago)

i had periodically wondered, since /beyoncé/, what the fuck she could do next that could even live up to it, and e v e r y t h i n g about this is perfect

otmotmotmotmotmotmotmotm

flopson, Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:37 (nine years ago)

Watched the video 5 times before breakfast.

― art baengels (monotony), Sunday, February 7, 2016 1:00 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this just happened to me before bed

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:47 (nine years ago)

unsure rn if i want to do anything else in life except watch it again

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:47 (nine years ago)

about half an hour ago i wanted to do little more than go to bed and pass out but i think if i got into bed now it would be like one of those nights when i tried to do that only to realise i hadn't come down as much as i thought

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:52 (nine years ago)

B E Y O N C É

cher guevara (lex pretend), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:52 (nine years ago)

nothing to add. this is great. the closing line is perfect. could sort of do without the all the "slay" -- feel that already peaked.

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:04 (nine years ago)

it's like 7/11 morphed into a protest song

― cher guevara (lex pretend), Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:30 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark

they bothered to write a tune this time

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:29 (nine years ago)

holy smokes this is so unapologetically black, this is like the biggest middle finger to anyone who thinks famous ppl have some sort of obligation to appeal to dominant (i.e. white) culture

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:29 (nine years ago)

:D

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:30 (nine years ago)

w/ the last album + this song it seems like Bey is creating music that is specifically explicitly exclusively written to and for black ppl and i mean if you are not black and you like it, great, but it was not made for you and you have ZERO right to complain that you find it "unrelatable" or "alienating" some shit

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:35 (nine years ago)

Hours later, still on repeat.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 7 February 2016 04:25 (nine years ago)

this is fucking great, omg

gonna tune into the super bowl tomorrow just for the halftime show in hopes she will do this or something similarly amazing

dyl, Sunday, 7 February 2016 07:03 (nine years ago)

i need to play this a few more times but it sound good on contact and a more explicitly political look out of beyonce is something i've been hoping and begging for so this is sorta catnip for me

ulysses, Sunday, 7 February 2016 07:06 (nine years ago)

There's definitely a reference track somewhere with Swae Lee's vocals on it. This sounds a lot like Beyonce doing Rae Sremmurd and I love it. Lit like Bey!

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Sunday, 7 February 2016 11:03 (nine years ago)

w/ the last album + this song it seems like Bey is creating music that is specifically explicitly exclusively written to and for black ppl and i mean if you are not black and you like it, great, but it was not made for you and you have ZERO right to complain that you find it "unrelatable" or "alienating" some shit

― police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, February 6, 2016 6:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

black women in particular

Hey (Extended Mix), Sunday, 7 February 2016 11:43 (nine years ago)

amazing

gonna tune into the super bowl tomorrow just for the halftime show in hopes she will do this or something similarly amazing

pretty sure it's already confirmed she's playing this tonight

thinking about my co-worker who grew up in New Orleans and now lives in Texas, she is pretty much the most obsessed Beyonce fan that I know of, and she is going to loooove this.

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Sunday, 7 February 2016 14:53 (nine years ago)

If he hit it right, I might take him on a flight on my chopper

Matt DC, Sunday, 7 February 2016 15:02 (nine years ago)

Anyone else seeing the Holy Mountain in Beyoncé's wardrobe?

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPMdRiHQeS1iWEE/giphy.gif

Song is fucking great.

emil.y, Sunday, 7 February 2016 16:49 (nine years ago)

what's cool about this is it answers the question: how exciting would "Run The World (Girls)" have been if the song was any good?

some dude, Sunday, 7 February 2016 18:32 (nine years ago)

damn this rules.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:13 (nine years ago)

I can't wait for Karmin's cover!

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 7 February 2016 21:48 (nine years ago)

Can't decide if this is the song of the year, or the song of the decade. Absolutely brilliant, stunning, everything else.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 7 February 2016 22:25 (nine years ago)

Is it a stretch to read explicit symbolism in the water (out of the swimming pool) and water (in the streets)? If so, what?

remy bean, Sunday, 7 February 2016 22:36 (nine years ago)

Not a stretch at all, explicit Katrina ref, explicit condemnation of police

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Sunday, 7 February 2016 22:41 (nine years ago)

incredible

the late great, Monday, 8 February 2016 00:22 (nine years ago)

challops by white guy: this songs a bit rubbish. its like 7/11. bey talking about how swag she is ain't interesting, she's not a good rapper, she doesn't get v. political talking about her haters, going hard and going hard and also her haters and also ladies getting in formation where shes the only one to have blonde hair...

yeah i get im white guy with challops, soz for not being on board.

a hoy hoy, Monday, 8 February 2016 00:39 (nine years ago)

I've watched this video a couple of times with ppl of various races and pretty much everyone thought it was wack

• (sleepingbag), Monday, 8 February 2016 00:54 (nine years ago)

Thought the song was wack, that is. I think it alright

• (sleepingbag), Monday, 8 February 2016 00:55 (nine years ago)

i think it is an incredible song, i particularly like how she shifts gears up into the first chorus, and then suddenly drops back into low gear ... genius!

the late great, Monday, 8 February 2016 01:00 (nine years ago)

i mean it's not like she invented that trick but she does it so well

the late great, Monday, 8 February 2016 01:01 (nine years ago)

Manning was due

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 8 February 2016 01:03 (nine years ago)

it gets super minimal in spots. really cool dynamics.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 8 February 2016 01:13 (nine years ago)

yes! which is why the "7/11" comparisons are confusing to me.

(i have no idea how much modern pop gets super minimal these days because i don't listen to much pop but it seems to me not enough)

the late great, Monday, 8 February 2016 01:17 (nine years ago)

whites i know it's very tempting to announce our self-consciously half-baked opinions (perhaps w/ the defense that they're just "challops") even when we know fully well that they're irrelevant and unnecessary, but how about we try to refrain?

dyl, Monday, 8 February 2016 04:28 (nine years ago)

Dope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5IEnv_yH4

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 8 February 2016 04:53 (nine years ago)

https://twitter.com/nilerodgers/status/696556408326590465

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 February 2016 04:58 (nine years ago)

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/watch-beyonces-surprise-new-video-formation-20160206

new video for formation is v v good

davey, Monday, 8 February 2016 07:36 (nine years ago)

good to know

just sayin, Monday, 8 February 2016 08:40 (nine years ago)

eagle eye there, davey, appreciate it

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m451fqpNox1r6zkjm.gif

some dude, Monday, 8 February 2016 11:22 (nine years ago)

this pretty much discards melody entirely, all rhythms and noise, feels like the most political statement here besides the black woman empowering video is in the music itself

i mean, for me the song is relentless, maybe even a little oppressive (irony!) - it's good, like if public enemy was a wealthy woman.

artsvashen (imago), Monday, 8 February 2016 11:43 (nine years ago)

this pretty much discards melody entirely

um no? it doesn't?

some dude, Monday, 8 February 2016 12:09 (nine years ago)

hmm

well it feels like melody is downplayed to the point of near-irrelevance. i'm not saying this is a bad thing at all, the song feels all the more urgent and alarming for this

i've been informed that my public enemy comparison is embarrassing, but that's genuinely how this made me feel. n.b. i am not rly qualified to speak about this but hey it's ilx, w/e, we all speak and we all get shot down

artsvashen (imago), Monday, 8 February 2016 12:22 (nine years ago)

i mean, for me the song is relentless, maybe even a little oppressive (irony!) - it's good, like if public enemy was a wealthy woman.

― artsvashen (imago), Monday, February 8, 2016 11:43 AM (54 minutes ago)

the articulacy of andy townsend, the equanimity of marc loi

christmas capybara (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 February 2016 12:41 (nine years ago)

i mean, for me the song is relentless, maybe even a little oppressive (irony!) - it's good, like if public enemy was a wealthy woman.

― artsvashen (imago), Monday, February 8, 2016 11:43 AM (54 minutes ago)

Lo, with sudden shower a flood o’erwhelms his face and waters his cheeks with weeping. “And is it enough to weep? Only thus far shall mine eyes o’erflow with some few drops? Nay, driven from their sockets, let them follow the tears they shed. Ye gods of wedlock, is it enough? These eyes must be dug out!” He speaks and raves with wrath; his cheeks burn threatening with ferocious fire, and his eyeballs scarce hold themselves in their place; his face is full of reckless daring and mad savagery, as of one in boundless rage; with groans and dreadful cries, his hands into his eyes he thrusts. But his starting eyes stand forth to meet them and, eagerly following their kindred hands, rush upon their wound. With hooked fingers he greedily searches out his eyes and, torn from their very roots, he drags both eyeballs out; still stay his hands in the empty sockets and, deep fixed, tear with their nails the deep-set hollows of his eyes and empty cavities; vainly he rages, and with excessive fury raves.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 February 2016 12:53 (nine years ago)

It's a bit hippity hoppety dagnammit!

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Monday, 8 February 2016 13:04 (nine years ago)

already got an irl flag post, now this too. now this too.

u.s. work hours now, playtime is over

artsvashen (imago), Monday, 8 February 2016 13:20 (nine years ago)

8:22am sounds a like a good time to have coffee on the eastern seaboard

maybe even a little depressive (brony!) (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 February 2016 13:23 (nine years ago)

this pretty much discards melody entirely

if I could successfully make an old Nokia phone ringtone out of this, which I could, then I would argue that it does not discard melody entirely

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 8 February 2016 14:38 (nine years ago)

I mean it is certainly not as melody-forward as, like, "Single Ladies" or "Love On Top", but it's still very much there.

police patrol felt the smell of smoke and found that goat burns (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 8 February 2016 14:39 (nine years ago)

maybe this is an obvious observation but the 'Red Lobster' verse is basically bounce lyrics

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Monday, 8 February 2016 15:41 (nine years ago)

um this song is awesome
video is amazing

7/11 one of the best beyonce songs imo so this is a good direction for her to go in

marcos, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:05 (nine years ago)

video is much, much more interesting as a black political statement than the song, which is lumbering, a bit stop-start (though ok, that is a bit interesting), and generally a bit like an extended interlude.

ill leave the discussion of her 'reclaiming' the b word and how that ties with her being a feminist to actual yknow, feminists, but lyrically it doesnt make the statements i see some columnists excitedly claiming it does (unless im missing great masses of subtext and hidden meaning). its cool though. some neat, almost memorable little phrases here and there, though none of it is particularly catchy. i can see it gaining significance simply as beyonce's fanpower is so big, that even ho-hum mediocrity can be claimed as instant gold.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:31 (nine years ago)

yup

example (crüt), Monday, 8 February 2016 16:32 (nine years ago)

i wish she didnt try and do rap

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:34 (nine years ago)

a few black-and-proud lines in a song that is basically just another look-at-me, fuck-the-haters, im-rich/im-stuntin' kind of song, do not = a new wave of politicised R&B, though if it helps spark one, great.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:42 (nine years ago)

black Live Nations matter

example (crüt), Monday, 8 February 2016 16:52 (nine years ago)

private choppers matter too.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:01 (nine years ago)

black people achieving and displaying success is political whether you want it to be or not, sorry

marcos, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:03 (nine years ago)

talking about black physiogomy the way she does IS political, but the rest, idk.

black people achieving and displaying success is political whether you want it to be or not, sorry

where were the think-pieces for jay-z and jermaine dupri's money aint a thing?

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)

*physiogomy

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)

*physiognomy even

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:06 (nine years ago)

id say its good to be a little discriminating about the criteria for what goes under the 'black = political' banner.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

the video is great! the song is just totally all right imo.

nomar, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:11 (nine years ago)

"money ain't a thing" well predates the era of incessant clickbait thinkpieces obviously

dyl, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:12 (nine years ago)

"I been spending hundreds since they had small faces
Rob your stash house, doubled out down in Vegas
Me and J.D. got it locked crazy
Where you at haters?"

jigga giving two fingers to the white patriarchy in style. shame that song didnt have a video like formation.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:14 (nine years ago)

(just to be clear, i absolutely love money aint a thing, as a song)

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:15 (nine years ago)

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its subtle brume (DJP), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:18 (nine years ago)

Beyonce marched thirty women wearing studded leather, black berets and naturals onto the field at the superbowl and placed them in an X formation. I think it's fair to call that a political statement.
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2016/02/08/020816-sub-black-lives-group-shot-3.jpg

ulysses, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:18 (nine years ago)

oh, that's pretty awesome. I didn't watch the Super Bowl performance.

example (crüt), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:19 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJYRMY2ymY4

ulysses, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:23 (nine years ago)

i was more focusing on the song, than the performance, or the video, which of course, are both obviously political.

StillAdvance, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:24 (nine years ago)

sorry, should have added, "and I am never watching any Super Bowl halftime performance if I can avoid it"

example (crüt), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:25 (nine years ago)

the red lobster line is one of the best of all time

starkiller based god (Treeship), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 01:48 (nine years ago)

ha -- I heard it and wasn't sure I heard it right

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 01:54 (nine years ago)

i didnt catch it til today, so good

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 02:38 (nine years ago)

Existing as a black person in America is inherently political. Celebrating black bodies and (southern) black American culture is political. And like Marcos alludes to but not everyone can get through the thickness of their skulls, the celebration of access to material resources by a people whose history includes LITERALLY BEING TURNED INTO CAPITAL and have spent most of the time since then facing ever more devious ways to strip material resources from them is political.

But thanks for reinforcing why I've been choosing to talk about this on twitter with other black women instead of here.

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 06:21 (nine years ago)

Hey, Hey, please stay.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 07:45 (nine years ago)

I've been around here 10+ years, I'm probably not going anywhere too soon ;)

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 07:47 (nine years ago)

In this thread, I mean. Lol.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 08:04 (nine years ago)

i dont want you to leave either. we can all learn from each others perspectives and so forth. i guess i just have low tolerance when people claim 'everything is political'. i mean, sure, in a wider black historical-political context, rapping about "I'm so reckless when I rock my Givenchy dress" may be political as it indicates infiltrating a certain milieu traditionally off limits to african americans, but in another political context, its simply just reinforcing a status quo (both artistically, in genre terms, but also politically). the song seems like 50% celebration of black physiognomy/southern culture, 50% celebration of being rich and being beyonce. (it even separates these two parts into two quite neat halves), which for me at least, seems a bit of a jarring mix.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 10:11 (nine years ago)

tbh it just weird how so little from one famous woman can inspire so much. formation just feels like a half baked expansion of some of the flawless remix's lyrics (houston like bun b... im redbone... etc). janelle monae did a more politicised song than formation (and one far less politically muddled) and didnt get nearly the same coverage, and all these columnists itching to spill ink on beyonce's celebration of the south or black physical/facial features must never have heard any erykah badu, theesatisfaction or georgia anne muldrow. i guess the cult of beyonce will always elude me.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 11:58 (nine years ago)

I guess it has something to do with the platform you're talking from? The ability to actually reach and influence and be acknowledged as a force in the world? Non-mainstream-cracking artists can traditionally speak rather freely - they do so from a place of opposition to the mainstream and its politics, and the stakes are relatively low. The game changes once someone is moving the discourse into the mainstream, no?

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:11 (nine years ago)

definitely. i spose this is as good as 'political' music gets in mainstream pop circa 2016.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:18 (nine years ago)

Erykah Badu is my favorite artist ever. I'm friends with TheeSatisfaction for fucks sake. Yeah, I might know a thing or two about their music. The point is there isn't one way to do black womanhood or politicized black womanhood and too often what's deemed acceptable in radical circles can only be an educated black woman with a natural hairdo, or whatever. Which throws under the bus a whole class of black women whose weaves might not cost as much as Beyonce's but they still got weave. I promise you the vast majority of them are going to get more out Beyonce making this kind of statement than Georgia Anne Muldrow. It's exactly her ties to less-respected elements of black American culture that make her powerful.

And stop fucking using the phrase "Black physiognomy". It fucking creeps me out.

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 12:47 (nine years ago)

sure. and i dont really care who youre friends with tbh, but please stop swearing at me.

but yes, obv a more famous artist is going to get more notice, and make more impact, which is all great, but it doesnt stop people from critiquing the actual thing shes made though. never have i said theres only one way to do politics. i find with beyonce, its like her fans want you to either just get on board with every single thing she does/says or youre just a hater.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:05 (nine years ago)

this might be because of you and not them

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:10 (nine years ago)

alright then

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:12 (nine years ago)

at any rate, here is a clearer, less garbled, less "shame on you, black people" iteration of the argument you think you are making:

https://twitter.com/llerretallure/status/696693617423945728

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:12 (nine years ago)

where am i saying 'shame on you black people'?

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:14 (nine years ago)

that seems pretty knee-jerk specious

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:17 (nine years ago)

^^^^^^^

the connections beyoncé makes are very powerful in combination with each other. "formation" is not a political song in the sense of every single line being overtly so but she brings in elements that are often dismissed or considered unrespectable and ties them explicitly to the overall political thrust - the queerness, the ratchetness..."formation" very deliberately fights gender, class and sexuality battles as well as, and within the context of, race battles.

i mean the whole problem with only deeming certain modes of expression acceptable politically is that less respectable modes of expression are going to exist regardless, and if they're associated with marginalised groups then are you going to include them in your fight or not? the act of expression is often what's most politically important, not necessarily the specific words or explicit manifesto. (cf club culture.)

xps the ^^^^s were for hey's booming post

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:17 (nine years ago)

DJP that thread is so good!

the evolution is really important and i think it's important that beyoncé's choosing these words and images as a LEAD SINGLE and SUPERBOWL PERFORMANCE rather than as a bonus track for the fans (cf "creole", which presaged a lot of "formation"s lyrics, or even "7/11" itself)

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:21 (nine years ago)

this is a tangent, but at some point music writers need to actually form an opinion and not a wiki-opinion on melina matsoukas because I swear to christ half the time she releases something the reaction is "melina matsoukas, she's notoriously horrible, she directed X, Y and Z" and then the other half is "melina matsoukas, she's great, she directed A, B and C"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:23 (nine years ago)

extended mix thank you for your very good posts itt

marcos, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:23 (nine years ago)

also, "please stop swearing at me" is a very loaded statement in context. and even out of context, the use of the word "fuck" does not necessarily constitute swearing *at* someone ffs

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:25 (nine years ago)

(obviously, it stands for franz ferdinand and sparks)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:27 (nine years ago)

erm how is that loaded? its a problem ive had on other threads where people just start swearing. but if you have a problem with someone who doesnt like being sworn at, then you can fuck the fuck off as well. hugs and kisses.

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:28 (nine years ago)

This piece is very, very pro "Formation" and pulls together a lot of the strands mentioned here:

http://newsouthnegress.com/southernslayings/

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:29 (nine years ago)

a) it's loaded because "you're just being too *angry*" is an incredibly common derailment in arguments, particularly against women and especially black women
b) again, no one is swearing *at* you. ironically, however, you are swearing at people. see if you can spot the difference!
c) so I guess this thread is somehow the portal to the world where people are genuinely outraged about the national news containing "F-bombs"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:34 (nine years ago)

i was not trying to derail the argument, if i was, i wouldnt have responded to a point she made in her post. i would have just said 'my arent WE being aggressive'.

i would say someone writing "And stop fucking using the phrase "Black physiognomy"" actually IS swearing at me, not sure how that is hard to comprehend. on the net, as in real life, if someone is swearing at me, i prefer if they didnt.

but if you think thats derailing the argument, and would like to increase the f-bombing, then thats cool, ill happily start swearing at you, starting with your over-interpretative bullshit. now fuck off, okay?

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:38 (nine years ago)

ps - i wasnt actually swearing AT you, just swearing while politely addressing you, in case you were wondering

StillAdvance, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:43 (nine years ago)

this thread has gone to a good place

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:46 (nine years ago)

this is a tangent, but at some point music writers need to actually form an opinion and not a wiki-opinion on melina matsoukas because I swear to christ half the time she releases something the reaction is "melina matsoukas, she's notoriously horrible, she directed X, Y and Z" and then the other half is "melina matsoukas, she's great, she directed A, B and C"

she's great, she directed the "so good" video

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:46 (nine years ago)

never forget

so I'm sure this is already being talked about elsewhere but I hear Beyoncé singing "ladies get information" simultaneously with "ladies get in formation" & that expresses well that's she's in midstream right now politically; she knows where's she from, but where to go next? let's not move too fast, let's get information. anyway this is all completely obvious so I'm sure it's being gone over elsewhere but I didn't see it here

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:47 (nine years ago)

This piece is very, very pro "Formation" and pulls together a lot of the strands mentioned here:

http://newsouthnegress.com/southernslayings/

― its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:29 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

anyway, im glad s piece like this was written. i don't normally vibe with music criticism written by academics but "formation" more than any song/video in recent memory i think calls for someone who has really studied the context, and the current mainstream media market does not really allow for anything like that to be published immediately after a big cultural moment.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:50 (nine years ago)

fucking a

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:08 (nine years ago)

as a bonus track for the fans (cf "creole", which presaged a lot of "formation"s lyrics, or even "7/11" itself)

― cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 15:21 Bookmark

it's funny thinking back how fresh from crunk & disorderly ran with the bey as a queen creole voodoo lobster bisque character injoke for literally like 7, 8 years straight all on her own after this

r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:19 (nine years ago)

"creole" seems to have been...pulled from youtube?!?!

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:24 (nine years ago)

well there we have it. the lyrics to "formation" are all just context-free bragging about being beyoncé. as basic as sasha fierce. not political. those who disagree are just stans sulking about 'haters'.

ps telling someone *not to swear* after they make a rather simple and understandable request of you, however forcefully, is not an equal but opposite reaction

dyl, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:33 (nine years ago)

sorry, by "all just context-free bragging" i meant "50% just context-free bragging". such a disjointed song.

dyl, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:34 (nine years ago)

i find with beyonce, its like her fans want you to either just get on board with every single thing she does/says or youre just a hater.

You mean, like every other single music act?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:38 (nine years ago)

I apologize for being a dick earlier in this thread. I let personal frustrations that are only tangentially related to Beyoncé cloud my judgment & I should have known better.

example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 16:53 (nine years ago)

the thing is, one of the many things "formation" explicitly engages with is that very fans/haters/SLAAAYYY dynamic. and, sure, it's the sort of thing where engaging with it plays right to the fans, but people fucking lost their minds when britney did that, in a good way, so why not here?

(oh dear, I appear to have said "fuck." I must now go off to wash my mouth out with soap like a proper fucking lady.)

also, there appears to be a bit of a "beyonce has NEVER done this before!" narrative coalescing, which is simply not true. she's done this at least as early as "Survivor," she did it quite a bit on Dangerously in Love, etc. her role in Dreamgirls could arguably count here as well

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)

Yeah, Beyonce has been doing this pretty much her entire career, the only difference being that she hadn't previously done it during the Super Bowl halftime show with backup dancers dressed like Black Panthers in an X formation so it's kind of difficult for the average person to ignore/miss now.

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

oh definitely, that is important

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

What do you mean by "this" katherine?

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:35 (nine years ago)

engaging with her own status in a thoughtful, self-aware way

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 17:56 (nine years ago)

Thanks

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 18:03 (nine years ago)

ARGH the sort of white people who get offended when black people who have money, status and power:

a) are frank about the money, status and power
b) criticise institutions, even obliquely

deserve to be locked in a box where a .gif of Rihanna shuffling a block of $100 bills plays non-stop, forever, Clockwork Orange-style.

Amazingly, THIS time, my mother is not being one of those people.

jedi slimane (suzy), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 18:13 (nine years ago)

otm

What I've learned itt: The word "fuck" = more offensive than language medicalizing race.

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

I don't completely agree with that Lleret Allure thread, but it's definitely the smartest criticism of this song I've read.

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:01 (nine years ago)

The "jarring" nature of the subject matter actually seems pretty crucial to me. I think if Beyonce did a straight political protest song it would seem... not insincere, but at least gestural. On "Formation" the politics feels like a natural consequence of the extent to which she's feeling herself. The protest is something she is, not something she occasionally decides to do.

This intersects with the points above about this being a political irruption into mainstream culture. "Formation" makes confronting black politics a necessary and indivisible part of America's enjoyment of black culture, rather than a medicinal counterpoint to it.

Tim F, Tuesday, 9 February 2016 21:10 (nine years ago)

Here's another smart criticism of the song, from a completely different angle:

http://www.colorlines.com/articles/jackson-five-nostrils-creole-vs-negro-and-beefing-over-beyonc%C3%A9s-formation

Hey (Extended Mix), Tuesday, 9 February 2016 23:16 (nine years ago)

That's an interesting article. Brought some colorist issues to the fore that had hazily occurred to me but i didn't have the experience or authority to coherently structure. Nice to read someone who could; it's hard to argue with "Even in the midst of (Beyonce's) Blackest Blackity Black Blackness, we find remnants of anti-Blackness." And it's hardly that it's confined to Bey! It's more that even SHE can't escape it.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:59 (nine years ago)

i heard there were some bad kids swearing in this thread, anyone holding? my guy's been dry lately

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 02:22 (nine years ago)

That swearing ws p jarring tbh

albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:07 (nine years ago)

well shit

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:13 (nine years ago)

can someone summarize the ILX debate over "formation" in, like, 50 words or less for me?

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:19 (nine years ago)

i think this one song has launched more think pieces than a thousand political campaigns

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:19 (nine years ago)

I would but someone made a swear and it broke my conversation

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:25 (nine years ago)

s/concentration, it broke my concentration so much that I cannot even form words right, although we knew that when I swore

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 03:26 (nine years ago)

Thanks for that essay link, Hey; I had *no idea* Creole-identified people of colour could be so directly vile to darker-skinned people, to 'friends' - colourism exists everywhere but doesn't throw darker people out of wedding photos, if you know what I mean? With the proviso that up-front bad behaviour is a lot easier to call out than more subtle forms of discrimination that people of colour do to one another. There are all kinds of ways to shove dark people out of the photo without saying anything, and let's be clear, it's white people who invented that crap.

That whole 'blonde squad leader, leading a few dozen Kathleen Cleavers' thing I clocked *right away* felt inappropriate for me to mention before someone darker than me had at it, because I've grown up with enough white people essentially saying 'this thing a black woman did isn't 100 per cent perfect, therefore it isn't even good, NO BRASS RING FOR YOU'. The people who conveniently allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good, to slow down progress, aren't really interested in progress at all (and are probably happy to point out others' errors because they're living in denial about their own shortcomings).

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 06:56 (nine years ago)

I read the colorlines piece but there's a part of it I don't quite understand. When she sings "You mix that Negro with that Creole make a Texas bamma" I don't hear Beyoncé making "a distinction between Creole and “Negro”" - I hear her juxtaposing the two identities as equal and integrating them in herself and her child rather than affirming one as superior to the other. And that's kind of the opposite of asking someone to step out of a photograph because of their dark complexion. And while I do get the unfortunate connotations of the darker skinned children showing less skin than the lighter skinned Blue Ivy it bears mentioning that they ARE quite demonstrably in the video because of their darker complexion and thus consciously, intentionally included rather than excluded and censored.

I understand that there are some finer nuances here that I probably don't get. So if anyone could help me understand them better it would be appreciated.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 08:12 (nine years ago)

Essay casting aspersions on B's activism just shared by the black British artist/filmmaker Isaac Julien on FB:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/280129/beyonce-capitalism-black-activism

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 09:00 (nine years ago)

some late night thoughts, just working a few things through.

The lyrical content of the song is in a political context in a sense, but its also not different from zillions of other other songs in that regard. like pick any rapper or r&b singer that talks about material success and up-from-nothing and you'll find at least something similar. the difference is really just that its beyonce doing it, and there's a sense she didn't "have" to do it, and probably could have gone in a less hip-hop inflected direction and the thrill is really just that she has every opportunity to distance herself from that and she chooses not to, i think. musically i think the song is p. great, and the video is just drop-dead gorgeous. and i can't think of another artist that could have married those lyrics to that beat and that video in the way she does, and pulled it off.

there's an element too where despite the hip-hop r&b fusion of the 90s, traditionally you were going to have a male rapper talking about the themes here and the female singer would be providing a hook that just supports him, or you would have a female rapper who would be _very different_ in lyrical content than an r&b singer (even if she could also sing). and so there's a sort of genre frisson when she crosses those lines from the other direction, and in particular in injecting the claim that no matter how much status she has, she's still not in a sense "bought off".

but you also have this illusion that she's choosing to do this as someone in a position where they can do anything (imperial phase), except in this case (and maybe this is the issue with the imperial phase more generally) she appears to be in a position where she can do anything precisely because of how calculating she is about what she actually does, and how hard she works to make choices that she knows will help her craft her image very carefully. her stuff is crafted to be thinkpiece ready just like its crafted to be instagram ready just like its crafted to be merchandise ready (this close to buying the "hot sauce in my bag" bag not that i need another bag).

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 09:51 (nine years ago)

also i think "bow down" shows she's wanted to go in this direction for some time, but has been working through how.

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 09:53 (nine years ago)

Otm

albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 10:05 (nine years ago)

I would like a 'hot sauce in my bag' bag but they are $25.

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 10:09 (nine years ago)

Tim OTM re: "The protest is something she is, not something she occasionally decides to do." I feel like the kind of song some of her critics want her to record might not work at this stage. She has to work with her own biography and position. Formation works because it's entirely natural.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 10:22 (nine years ago)

what WOULD her critics want her to record at this stage though?

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 10:50 (nine years ago)

What's Going On? Or something by Billy Bragg.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 11:00 (nine years ago)

But they got There's A Riot Going On instead. Tough luck.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 11:03 (nine years ago)

I've seen quite a few people who want her to become an anti-capitalist revolutionary. Plenty more want her to be more radical. I'm talking about her activist critics here. Obviously from the other direction she has a lot of angry white people acting like she just stormed the Sacramento statehouse with rifles. I think she's doing something right.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 11:35 (nine years ago)

The Death and Taxes piece reminds me of solemn Marcist critiques of the Beatles. Yeah Beyonce's a capitalist. She's not Bobby Seale. I think people already know that.

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:05 (nine years ago)

Marxist

impossible raver (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:06 (nine years ago)

beyoncé's abiding interest in money - how it confers power, how it affects social and romantic relationships, how it makes you feel - has been one of the most consistent throughlines of her entire career and, i would say, the subject she might be best at

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:20 (nine years ago)

like, a lot of pop stars and rappers talk about money but few get to the heart of it like bey

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:21 (nine years ago)

I would like a 'hot sauce in my bag' bag but they are $25.

― jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:09 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I would like actual hot sauce in a tote bag, but this merch looks terrible.

http://s0.merchdirect.com/images/15825/v600_B_Tote.png

http://s0.merchdirect.com/images/15821/v600_B_iPhone6s_Case.png

http://s0.merchdirect.com/images/15823/v600_B_WhiteDadCap.png

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:45 (nine years ago)

There are a couple decent shirts, but what the fuck - did she get that shit made at the mall?

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:45 (nine years ago)

that's not official merch, is it?

tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:47 (nine years ago)

Is beyonce.com her official website? http://shop.beyonce.com/

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 12:57 (nine years ago)

It's a bit Fonts We Have Seen AT APC, isn't it?

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 13:18 (nine years ago)

To me her main theme/interest/etc is independence/identity within defined structures (marriage/monogamy, commercial music/capitalism, and I guess white America or some less triggery way of putting that), her work contains multitudes xp

albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 13:35 (nine years ago)

MAKE AMERICA HOT SAUCE AGAIN

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 13:46 (nine years ago)

But they got There's A Riot Going On instead. Tough luck.

― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:03 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was thinking about riot goin on because of the upthread criticism that it's not "political" enough or it's not political enough removed from the video...like there's a riot goin on is political to me, but how many coherent political statements are on that album, and if "formation" is political partly because of the imagary in the video, i'd say there's a riot goin on's political element is also very much due to the album title and the cover imagery (and neither sly or beyonce did these things by accident)

and honestly, mixing up comsumerism and fun and sex and partying and politics and hidden black power gestures is kind of what R&B has always done, like chuck berry's "brown eyed handsome man" is political but it's also about him fu-....oh dear i'm sorry...making love to white women

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:03 (nine years ago)

I'd say mixing consumerism and fun and sex and partying and racial/sexual/gender codes is politics -- partly anyway.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:08 (nine years ago)

yah yr right i mean the point of politics ultimately is to let ppl be secure and fed and free enough to do all the fun things in life, so i'm always skeptical when ppl say oh all this beauty and fun is a waste of time you should focus on the issues

anyway there's the take on the new beyonce take y'all were waiting for from a guy who owns multiple fugazi albums on vinyl

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:13 (nine years ago)

emma goldman to thread

maura, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:13 (nine years ago)

There remains unfortunately a contingent of writers and listeners for whom "politics" = what political party the artist belongs to, toward which reality is a song explicitly gesturing, and so on.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:16 (nine years ago)

anyway there's the take on the new beyonce y'all were waiting for from a guy who owns multiple fugazi albums on vinyl

I lold

ogmor, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:24 (nine years ago)

beyond just the obvious "i like hot sauce on everything" literal/metaphorical point, is I GOT HOT SAUCE IN MY BAG a reference to anything other than Chris Rock's Top Five? Because, for those who haven't seen it, that's a lame wind-up that leads to Rosario Dawson jamming a hot sauce soaked tampon up that guy-from-Workaholics ass, which is an odd image to associate with this song.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:29 (nine years ago)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW2KhqsOV-E

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:30 (nine years ago)

lol c'mon man

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:33 (nine years ago)

i have friends who carry scotch bonnet around, but that's the only mass media reference prior that i can think of

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:35 (nine years ago)

why would it be a reference to anything else in media...

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:38 (nine years ago)

i have friends who carry scotch bonnet around

what, exactly, does this mean? we talkin' pepper spray?

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:38 (nine years ago)

jordan, don't you more or less make a living comparing references in media?
this is scotch bonnet:
http://static.caloriecount.about.com/images/medium/jamaican-choice-hot-sauce-26998.jpg

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:42 (nine years ago)

you weren't comparing, you were connecting

and no, i don't work at rap genius

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:48 (nine years ago)

compare/connect and rap genius/gawker are some narcissism of small differences wrt this convo

you think it's unlikely that beyonce has seen top five?

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:54 (nine years ago)

it means she likes hot sauce

tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:57 (nine years ago)

it's like dierks bentley saying he has a cooler full of beer in his truck

tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:58 (nine years ago)

shes prob seen it but she is not referencing it lmao

she is referencing the line prior abt keeping it country or w/e

ppl from the country are more likely to like hot sauce

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:08 (nine years ago)

forks are you serious

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:16 (nine years ago)

beyond just the obvious "i like hot sauce on everything" literal/metaphorical point, is I GOT HOT SAUCE IN MY BAG a reference to anything other than Chris Rock's Top Five? Because, for those who haven't seen it, that's a lame wind-up that leads to Rosario Dawson jamming a hot sauce soaked tampon up that guy-from-Workaholics ass, which is an odd image to associate with this song.

how the hell did you get here

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:23 (nine years ago)

like, why didn't you step back after you typed that, reread it and think "there's a good chance that I am projecting an association that doesn't actually exist here"

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:24 (nine years ago)

it's like dierks bentley saying he has a cooler full of beer in his truck

― tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 9:58 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz wake me up when he puts a can of beer in the guy from workaholic's butt

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:33 (nine years ago)

ppl from the country are more likely to like hot sauce

?

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:36 (nine years ago)

Dierks Bentley wouldn't share his beer without expecting hot sauce in return.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:36 (nine years ago)

i know it's hard to remember but a week ago, before this song dropped, a google of "I got hot sauce in my bag" would've brought up Top Five and a few blogs and not a lot more. Now Bey is selling merch with that slogan on it. I'm not insinuating that she's trying to evoke Chris Rock's movie, just that the hot sauce bit was a major part of that film and in that context acted as a testament (tampon in the ass bit aside) of Dawson's character's accessibility and blackness.

I apparently phrased my initial post poorly so let me try again: other than 'Top Five', can anyone think of a prior-to-'Formation' pop culture reference or song lyric that associates carrying a bottle of hot sauce as being a black and/or southern signifier?

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:40 (nine years ago)

xp: ah, an Enlisted Man.

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:41 (nine years ago)

Is it actually a thing ppl do and why?

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:43 (nine years ago)

people carry hot sauce around because they like their food spicy and lots of restaurants don't offer hot sauce as a condiment.
ime it IS a southern thing but i also got lived with/worked with some folks from Haiti and DR who did this.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:46 (nine years ago)

I'm learning much from you people.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:47 (nine years ago)

basically if you're raised on spicy foods and your mom put hot sauce on everything when you were a kid, refined foods can taste bland without a familiar kick.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:49 (nine years ago)

carrying hot sauce around is def a thing:

http://sriracha2go.com/

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:50 (nine years ago)

(tampon in the ass bit aside)

<3 this is an amazing paranthetical

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:51 (nine years ago)

(top five is kind of a vile film btw)

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:51 (nine years ago)

Restaurants allow it?

Like I know the whole "bland yt ppl food" thing, it's common over here too, but I don't think anyone carries around bottles of hot sauce

I love the image of bey turning up to some grand function like the met gala w a bottle of hot sauce in her million dollar purse

cher guevara (lex pretend), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:53 (nine years ago)

she is such a savvy businessperson its not even funny. she gets that from her parents. they are very smart businesspeople as well.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:55 (nine years ago)

I can see her singing "10...9...8" as her hand slides into the purse.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:56 (nine years ago)

"Perhaps most crucial of all, Mathew developed a strategy. “When you sell a product,” he told me, “you first have to design and build it, but also you have to figure out the needs of the customer. When we put the group together, we had a plan. We figured out our demographic, our customers, our imaging, what type of songs we’re going to sing. It’s not by accident that we write songs like ‘Independent Women’ and ‘Survivor’—female-based empowerment songs. That’s our customer base.” It was no longer just about singing and dancing, or even entertaining. The girls had to believe in themselves and their product at all costs. They had to sell themselves."

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/its-a-family-affair/

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:56 (nine years ago)

xp to lex: i immediately presumed that was exactly the image she was going for! It's odd to me that wasn't universally clear; i guess the idea of carrying a mini-bottle of hot sauce is maybe more coded that i thought? y'all thought it was a metaphor or something?

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:56 (nine years ago)

it's all about the product. i do like the transparency. plus, so cute!

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:58 (nine years ago)

other than 'Top Five', can anyone think of a prior-to-'Formation' pop culture reference or song lyric that associates carrying a bottle of hot sauce as being a black and/or southern signifier?

c'mon son

tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:58 (nine years ago)

I am amazed that people thought the hot sauce line was a metaphor but took the Red Lobster line completely at face-value

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 16:59 (nine years ago)

i hope bey uses a legit old school hot sauce and not one of those new boutique dr. diahrrea's nuclear habanerogeddon sauce

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:00 (nine years ago)

Hot sauce is slang for designer molly. Beyonce is telling your kids to rip their face off on drugs. I haven't decided if this is problematic or if it slays.

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:01 (nine years ago)

beyonce's dad also taking country back:

"In 2016, through Music World Music, Knowles acquired the country music catalog Compadre, which includes Johnny Cash, Billy Joe Shaver, James McMurty, Trent Willmon, and Kate Campbell."

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:02 (nine years ago)

james mcmurty...shiit....that's a name i haven't thought abt in a long time

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:03 (nine years ago)

uh oh. she really means business if she's making that Trent Willmon money

tlopson (crüt), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)

btw:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/09/investing/red-lobster-beyonce-formation/

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:05 (nine years ago)

red lobster is what the hopheads call a trap house

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:07 (nine years ago)

Well, I thought it was great to find the hot-sauce thing seemingly as ubiquitous in the US as it is here. Ancona hot pepper sauce is definitely a part of the black British experience, including having an emergency supply stashed in your mum's handbag for those awkwardly bland restaurant meals, and that's as true for ppl w/West African roots as it is for ppl with Caribbean/West Indian roots. Can't think of a blatant pop-culture example apart from a woman on Come Dine With Me who kept whipping it out at the other contestants' homes.

I cook plenty of West Indian meat dishes (jerk chicken, curry chicken, curry goat, oxtail stew) because a) love them and b) a Jamaican took pity on me and took me through some of her family recipes about 10 years ago. No matter how FIRE the basic dish, someone will always want to put hot sauce on top. I have a habanero sauce (amongst many) in my cupboard that makes grown-ups weep.

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

people carrying around hot sauce is definitely a thing

i have a colleague who is often sought after during work parties because she has the hot sauce in her bag

marcos, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:12 (nine years ago)

Got hot takes in my bag

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:17 (nine years ago)

loooooool those Red Lobster tweets

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:24 (nine years ago)

"uh oh. she really means business if she's making that Trent Willmon money"

beyonce's dad bought that catalog, not beyonce.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:27 (nine years ago)

hot sauce in the bag always makes me think of my jazz mentor Richard Davis, who always wears a fanny pack containing a bottle of Tabasco.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:30 (nine years ago)

and i still say the Red Lobster line is a flip of old bounce lyrics

https://youtu.be/H4xE9guGSGw?list=RDH4xE9guGSGw

https://youtu.be/XG0NTB3TVDI?t=215

(i apologize for the profanity and misogyny in these songs)

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:37 (nine years ago)

bounce artists are so talented, it's a shame they think they need to work blue

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 18:15 (nine years ago)

james mcmurty...shiit....that's a name i haven't thought abt in a long time

― uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 17:03 (1 hour ago) Permalink

FYI, he put out an album last year that's worth a listen.

Indexed, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 18:26 (nine years ago)

why does the version downloaded at tidal doesn't have the voices of Messy Mya and Big Freedia? the song is way better with them.

Nourry, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 18:39 (nine years ago)

wouldn't be unusual for certain audio to be added to the song in the video that aren't in the radio/album version of the song

some dude, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 18:49 (nine years ago)

now i wanna listen to some old juvy albums

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:00 (nine years ago)

I apparently phrased my initial post poorly so let me try again: other than 'Top Five', can anyone think of a prior-to-'Formation' pop culture reference or song lyric that associates carrying a bottle of hot sauce as being a black and/or southern signifier?

― ulysses, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:40 AM (2 hours ago)

now that you mention it, beyonce (or whoever wrote this song) definitely had this scene from "undercover brother" in mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubV3t9_CwDc

k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:19 (nine years ago)

let's all just start naming movies cinemax shows in the afternoon

uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:26 (nine years ago)

i was loving this song the other day - and that battle cry of EGGS BACON GRITS!! - but then the revelation halfway through that Lil Mama only eats turkey bacon was kind of a letdown for some reason. i mean it's fine and she gives religious reasons for avoiding swine but it kinda took the wind out of the chorus cuz who has a turkey bacon battle cry? still like the video a lot though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSGOOCxLGuQ

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

no mention of hot sauce though. sorry.

scott seward, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

"got hot sauce in my rollie" not very catchy tho

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 19:50 (nine years ago)

a wild THOUGHT PIECE appeared!
http://www.eater.com/2016/2/10/10959538/hot-sauce-in-her-bag-beyonce-black-southern-identity
it's super effective!

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

During Jim Crow, Black people could pick up food at establishments that served white people, but they often could not eat in them. When custom demanded that Black people be served separately from whites, they were often required to have their own utensils, serving dishes, and condiments. So it was customary for Black families who were traveling to carry everything they might possibly need so that (with the help of the Green Book, the guide that helped Black travelers eat, sleep, and move as safely as possible) they could navigate America in relative comfort.

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)

we took hot sauce to Germany on our second trip there because they didn't have hot sauce and we were used to eating a little hot sauce here and there. our motivation was, we wanted some hot sauce on our food and weren't sure we'd be able to get it otherwise. in Germany they put paprika on stuff when they want to eat spicy food. then eight hours later they shit onto porcelain shelves for the whole world to see

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 20:54 (nine years ago)

they don't use hot sauce that their shit might stay on the shelf, man

odysseus (imago), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

lol when I saw "Germany" I knew that post would be quality

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:00 (nine years ago)

Turkish shops all over Germany can give you all the spicy sauces you'll ever need (and your subsequent shit-on-a-shelf will be that bit more interesting).

jedi slimane (suzy), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:04 (nine years ago)

Did we have to being inspection shelves into the Beyonce thread?

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)

shit got serious

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:07 (nine years ago)

okay ladies now let's get information/about that poop, it requires inspection

its subtle brume (DJP), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:09 (nine years ago)

Also, should we start a new thread considering there'll likely be a new record coming out?

how's life, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:10 (nine years ago)

okay ladies now let's get information/about that poop, it requires inspection

how the hell did you get here

ulysses, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 21:27 (nine years ago)

do we know who bey the singer has endorsed for the presidency yet?

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:15 (nine years ago)

herself ?

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 23:19 (nine years ago)

hahaha

https://twitter.com/arikakane/status/697076223126667266

Option ARMs and de Man (s.clover), Thursday, 11 February 2016 00:51 (nine years ago)

Who is this insane person

its subtle brume (DJP), Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:00 (nine years ago)

after posting my KING review, her PR people sent me a blurb and link

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:04 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hLa0DloPY4

tlopson (crüt), Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:13 (nine years ago)

Didn't T-Swift already learn this lady's lesson for her?

Tim F, Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:16 (nine years ago)

yes please somebody start a new thread, trying to load the whole thing to catch up after a day or two is killing my telephone, thank you

sheesh, Thursday, 11 February 2016 03:21 (nine years ago)

i thought the White Feminist twitter account had changed its name at first

cher guevara (lex pretend), Thursday, 11 February 2016 07:30 (nine years ago)

why does the version downloaded at tidal doesn't have the voices of Messy Mya and Big Freedia? the song is way better with them.

― Nourry, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:39 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

given that there was some confusion (at best) with crediting I'd guess that's why

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 11 February 2016 07:58 (nine years ago)

http://whattimedoestheformationvideostart.com/
^single serving youtube dirty version site

ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:46 (nine years ago)

also, response to NYT writer
https://twitter.com/jennydeluxe/status/697530166092947456

ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:47 (nine years ago)

also, it took about seven listens but i am completely down with this song

ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:48 (nine years ago)

same for me, loving it now

niels, Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:52 (nine years ago)

also, it took about seven listens but i am completely down with this song

yep

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Thursday, 11 February 2016 19:56 (nine years ago)

same

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:00 (nine years ago)

Beyonce in 2015 - 'Formation' and Album title TBA

ulysses, Thursday, 11 February 2016 20:04 (nine years ago)


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