ILM 2013 | End of Year Albums & Tracks Poll | VOTING THREAD (Voting closes MIDNIGHT EST on Friday, January 17th, 2014)

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Ballot: http://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IQ4ICRvEzhsG-xwd5T3hr8oqPMJI7UMFzNdTXMnGMeQ

The procedure is simple: enter your tracks and album ballots (up to 25 items on each), one item per line, in the appropriate fields below. You can choose one of three ballot types, which determine how points are allocated to each item you vote for:

(1) Weighted: The first item on your ballot receives 50 points, the second receives 48 points, and so on, until the 25th item receives 2 points.

(2) Unweighted: Each item on your ballot receives 26 points.

(3) Mixed: To submit a mixed ballot, you must divide your ballot in two with an extra blank line. The upper portion of the ballot will be treated as weighted, with the first item receiving 50 points, and so on. The lower portion will be treated as unweighted, in that all items will receive the same number of points. The score allocated to items in the unweighted portion is calculated as 26 minus the number of items in the weighted portion (this is so that any weighted, unweighted or mixed ballot consisting of 25 items will allocate a total of exactly 650 points).

Tracks list: http://www.queuebik.com/2013Tracks.txt
Albums list: http://www.queuebik.com/2013Albums.txt

Voting ends at MIDNIGHT EST on Friday, January 17th, 2014.

Allez hop!

2 Chainz - Feds Watching

is missing from track list, just checked and Murgatroid nom'd it

Please copy each line directly from the nominations lists; do not number your ballot.

Ok, I'm still finishing out the noms list but if there's stuff missing post it here and I'll check back in ~10 mins.

xp It's been added.

Please work off these noms lists for the time being:

Track nominations: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmydPg1ULhKNdGdFU2tUak1tcC10eS04MnlWWXphZ1E
Album nominations: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmydPg1ULhKNdENHc09US3V2dHNfUWhEYWVxMmg3bXc

thx!

Please copy each line directly from the nominations lists

Typos included? (not being cheeky)

YEAH

Yeah. The lists are just for uniformity in voting. Any typos/capitalization/etc will be cleaned up for the top 77 rollouts.

Okay, spreadsheets are updated, which means the txt pages linked above are updated. And those are easier to copy/paste from than the spreadsheets, so...yeah.

Use this thread to ask questions about the voting procedure, announce to the world that you have exercised your franchise and remind/motivate/shame others who haven't voted yet. You won't get an automatic confirmation email when you submit your ballot but if you post here I'll double-check to make sure we've received your vote.

If you want to rustle up support for your favourite albums and tracks, you want the Campaigning Thread instead.

voted! :))

Only 25? Fuxsake guys, that's just made it harder! :P

That was quick! In before me, even... xp

My very first ILM list poll!

alright i'm submittin my tracks poll now, album later that cool?

yeah always ignored these and rolled my eyes at them in the past (i mean really by this point enough lists already) but then actually looking at last years it was more fun and useful than some other year end lists so why not

Over the past 2 years I'd say I discovered more music (and with more fun) with the 2011 and 2012 ilxor polls than anything in the press, friends or record shops. It's kind of a honor to be participating this year.

i never know enough to vote for anything but the results always give me new things to enjoy in the following year, i am excite

Voted!

i didn't listen to too many albums but 25 was pretty limiting on tracks, had to cut some real fabs

long time listener, first time caller

everyone's welcome!

alright i'm submittin my tracks poll now, album later that cool?

That's cool

but 25 was pretty limiting on tracks

Not so long ago, it was 15. You're living in the future, my friend!

Just realized I forgot to vote for My Dick. I might need to amend my albums ballot.

ilx poll only one i care about in 2014

Here's the Spotify tracks playlist, but it's FAR from complete. If you've got the time and the inclination, please feel free to help fill it out by looking at the full list of tracks nominations.

Voted.

voted!

!** Now's probably the best time to remind people to save a copy of their ballots when voting. That way, you don't have to ask during the rollout for us to send you one because you can't remember what you voted for. **!

lol i just emailed mine to myself for exactly that reason

Mine's exactly the same as what I put on the web last month so I'm good.

Man I am gonna have so much work to do in the next two weeks

The tracks poll is more work than I expected.

That took way longer than I expected, because I had to cut so many of my favorite tracks, and I also listened to/liked way less albums this year than I thought. Anyway, I have V O T E D.

Not sure who chronochromie is on Spotify, but thanks for the heavy lifting on the tracks playlist right now.

941 tracks!!

tracks was really hard, i whittled down my longlist on new year's day and was pretty shocked at how many tracks i love that i had to cut

albums was easy b/c i don't listen to that many and the number that i truly love at the end of any given yr is small

yo i noticed that Imaginational Anthem 4 was nominated and that must have been a mistake, wasn't it released in 2010? maybe the nominator meant "Imaginational Anthem v 6 : Origins of American Primitive Guitar" or perhaps the imaginational anthem vol 1-5 compilation box set released this year?

voted!

i'm in

Half Japanese - 1/2 Gentlemen Not Beasts

why is this in the album nominations

From discogs: "This is an exclusive Record Store Day 2013 release limited to 1,000 copies.
Includes a disc of previously unreleased material and a 32 page booklet featuring lyrics, artwork, photos and notes by Jad & David Fair. "

ok that makes sense.

also the Yusef Lateef record wasn't rereleased this year afaik.

but it's a great record!

Okay, yeah. That's from 1976 and I can't find any evidence of a deluxe reissue in 2013, so it's gone. What the hell, people!

Mordy, if you can tell me why I should put it back in, I'm all ears.

tracks was really hard, i whittled down my longlist on new year's day and was pretty shocked at how many tracks i love that i had to cut

― dyl, Monday, January 6, 2014 5:45 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

albums was easy b/c i don't listen to that many and the number that i truly love at the end of any given yr is small

― dyl, Monday, January 6, 2014 5:46 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally. 25 is perfect for albums, by then i'm pretty much deciding between various albums that are worthy of being heard and discussed but not top-tier by any means. 25 is nowhere near enough for trax but i'm grateful for that many, given how many publications habitually ask for top 10s, which is just a stupidly tiny amount to cut it down to

Gorgon City - Real
Gorgon City ft. Yasmin - Real

btw, duplicate alert

(it does feature yasmin obv)

I swear I meant to nominate Richard Youngs' Summer Through My Mind but um... not that it had any chance of denting the top 900 but still

Quite like the idea of people voting for random old records in this

76 hours of spotify tracks playlist listening here i come, best get some crisps in

and thanks to those who built it btw

pouring one out for all the amazing songs not on spotify :(

It's my own fault for not saying anything in the nominations thread but now I come to vote I'm saddened to see Moonface's 'Julia With Blue Jeans On' didn't make it in. A top 5 of 2013 for me.

my only big regret in the nominations is that I didn't nominate the Lee Ranaldo album, possibly because someone nominated a track that popped up when I Ctrl+F'd his name to see if the album was nominated. oh well, not like it was gonna place anyway.

Poor Lee, just generally

I still haven't heard the record myself, somehow

The Polvo album would make a pretty awesome substitute for Lee Ranaldo if you're looking for that sort of 70's classic rock with a Sonic Youth filter applied, well worth hearing if you haven't heard it yet.

another possible duplicate?

Rocko - UOENO (Black Hippy Remix)
Rocko ft. Rick Ross & Future - U.O.E.N.O.

i mean...i don't know what the ruling should be on this actually

Yeah that should be handled cleanly by the system (I assume the first one is a remix of the second one?) but I'll keep an eye on it.

just expressed my franchise

xp yeah it's a remix (in the rap sense) but rocko doesn't remain on it and i think it's credited to kendrick lamar or black hippy rather than rocko?

That's confusing...what will happen by default is that votes for both will be counted together. If that shouldn't happen then we'll have to change something.

wow, a lot of albums on the list by artists I like that I didn't even realize had come out last year. Guess I have a lot of catching up to do.

Hi, the Floorplan album 'Paradise' is missing. DJP nominated it.

Oof, I'll add that asap.

Lawsuit.

damn, i hope that doesn't affect anything too much, it's a great album.

It's fixed. Not sure how many ballots have come in since last night.

Forgot to nominate If We Ever - High Contrast (SPX x Origin Jungle VIP)... :(

my ballot is in

Hopefully you wont mind me posting here to say ~~~ ILM METAL POLL 2013 - ALBUMS & TRACKS VOTING & CAMPAIGN THREAD~~~ (VOTING ENDS FRIDAY JANUARY 10th 11.59pm UK time/6.59pm EST) ) VOTING CLOSES THIS FRIDAY
if you want to vote then please do! All welcome! Including Lurkers!

we only have 11 ballots so far so please have a look at the noms and see if there is anything you want to vote for.

lol woulda voted for the floorplan lp (actually looked for it) but it wasn't on the list at the time

if you want to change your ballot just shout

if you want to add songs to your ballot, let it all out

if you want to remove songs from your ballot, say these are the things I can do without

I just voted. Now wincing. I should really wait until the last minute to vote, listen to everything I meant to go back to but pffff... Decided to make it highly personalised and went for the records I've played the most x the records that had the greatest impact on me this year rather than the ones deemed the most culturally 'worthy' or 'zeitgeisty' or important or whatever. Hoping that's how everyone'll vote.

balls! change yr ballot!

Decided to make it highly personalised and went for the records I've played the most x the records that had the greatest impact on me this year rather than the ones deemed the most culturally 'worthy' or 'zeitgeisty' or important or whatever. Hoping that's how everyone'll vote.

― a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:28 AM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's...that's what you're supposed to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaPHPQt91w8

in deciding the last spot on my ballots, kicked off 1 track and 1 album because i'm sure they'll place anyway in order to rep lesser-known gems. hyped for both of them now placing 78th

I'm definitely gonna spend some time with the campaign list, already discovering cool stuff there.

xpost, yeah I did that a bunch of times. Here's to Get Lucky and Reflektor not placing at all.

I was planning on voting at the last minute but then when I was listening to more of the tracks playlist last night, I thought: I already have too many tracks to vote for and what I haven't heard of the album list is made up almost completely of things I either am pretty sure I'm not interested or things I have no clue about (even regarding their genre). I don't feel like doing all that work. So I got voting over with last night. Maybe there will still be pleasant surprises for me to discover when the results come in, but I'm ready for 2014.

I think half the fun is just voting for the ones you know are your faves, have stuck with you or made an impression on you throughout the year etc. Going through all the critics lists and trying to cram for EOY like an exam seems a bit clinical. Just vote for who you like and then use the countdowns to fill in the gaps and see what everyone else was digging I reckon.

Rudipherous, your story about the dance performance reminds me of when I was a kid playing Secret of Monkey Island for hours and hours and then being surprised when words didn't appear above my parents' heads when they spoke.

oh that was a different thread.

whenever i do the whole last-minute listening thing to find new potential songs to vote for, they rarely end up on my ballot anyway b/c they haven't really had much time to actually sink in and become part of my life. like i listened to some of those spotify playlists a bit in december and definitely found some good worthwhile music that i'm glad i heard, but none of it ended up on my ballot when i started whittling it all down. i think maybe 2 years ago was the last time i found something thru that whole process that actually made my ballot.

(secret of monkey island r00lz)

Hm, those are all good points. I've got my shortlist anyway that I made a couple of weeks back, and in the end will likely just fall back on it. Still enjoying the other thread regardless.

I added a couple albums at the last minute based on checking out an ILM electronic music playlist for the year, but I generally don't have a very length album list anyway.

Yeah, I'm always more interested in the tracks poll than the album one.

eh, i just voted for what i currently like; do not feel history will judge me too harshly

Just hope that you don't run into the Zeitgeist in a dark alley.

http://i.imgur.com/D3KXv1J.jpg

Funny I've always been more interested in voting for albums. The tracks list generally feels like an aafterthought where I'm voting for my best tracks off the albums I like, a few one hit wonders (tracks I liked off albums I didn't like) and a few dance tracks that didn't appear on albums.

That said in retrospect I get a lot more out of the tracks countdowns because it's where I hear the most new stuff, so it's all good.

I just normally don't like that many albums all the way through, or close enough to want to vote for them.

Voted, figured I would quit lurking and participate this year.

Voted! I didn't want to submitted an unweighed ballot this year, so that made it super-hard.

*submit

The tracks list generally feels like an aafterthought where I'm voting for my best tracks off the albums I like

aagh it's such a bugbear of mine when artists on the album poll also dominate the trax poll with multiple needless fanboy entries. my rule is, no artist should be on both of my ballots.

I don't have any kind of rigid "can't be on both lists" rule, but I vote tracks with a totally different frame of reference than I do albums. Like, where I might throw some points at an album because I take into consideration the artist's entire history and have feelings/respect tied up in him/her/them, for tracks I concentrate my affection on the song and the song only. That's dumb and I can't explain it, but that seems to be how I vote in these things.

it's experience-as-album versus experience-as-standalone-entity for me (rather than just picking highlights from the former)

yeah i only vote for album tracks if heard them primarily out of the context of the album (i.e. released months before the album was) and they took on a life of their own.

e.g. "adorn" last year

i try to limit the crossover mainly because there's so many artists i want to do well!

ERM i've just realised i've made a hideous error in one of my ballots. seandalai is it possible to correct it?!

aagh it's such a bugbear of mine when artists on the album poll also dominate the trax poll with multiple needless fanboy entries. my rule is, no artist should be on both of my ballots.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, January 8, 2014 8:11 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I know, I know, but it's just a different way of thinking and listening to things I guess. I try not to replicate artists on the two ballots if I can help it, but shit I'm also not going to go out of my way if there's a track I love off an album I also really like. Also the tracks poll allows me to vote for e.g. Get Lucky but not RAM.

actually looking at my ballot I've done well not to put in too many replications so I take it all back.

This charisma.com EP is fucking great!!

i've historically been very "singles, not album tracks" about tracks polls, especially in stuff like Pazz & Jop, but increasingly in the last couple years of ILX polls i've put favorite album cuts in here and there, which is still kind of geared toward voting for stuff that might actually place since a Beyonce or Paramore deep cut is more likely to be in the top 77 than whatever mainstream country or alt-rock hit i had in that spot on my singles list.

ERM i've just realised i've made a hideous error in one of my ballots. seandalai is it possible to correct it?!

― lex pretend, Wednesday, January 8, 2014 9:05 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sure, either ILXmail me with the details or just submit another ballot and I'll delete the old one.

I feel like this is gonna be the year where I vote for a ton of tracks on albums that I didn't love. Usually I feel like my singles ballot is just "best tracks from my top albums" but idk it's not like that this year and it makes me feel like a "better" or "more thorough music listener" or something

like I've been making more of an effort to seek out new things

idk guys i think i just pick the tracks i like the best

sometimes they're from albums i like the best, sometimes they're not

absolutely preposterous

So excited to submit a list of 25 songs I really love and 5 albums I don't have too many problems with.

webmailed you seandalai, thx!!

i actually had a shortlist of deep album cuts/singles off albums on my ballot that hit me particularly hard, all of them got kicked off because any reason to narrow a ballot down is gratefully seized on

Done.

lol yeah eric I only have 17 albums on my list and was like "Really?? That's all I liked this year?"

traxxx is gonna be a hot mess dot com

So excited to submit a list of 25 songs I really love and 5 albums I don't have too many problems with.

my feelings exactly! lol

voted! 20 album - weighted the first 4 and unweighted the rest. voted for 10 tracks.

Any chance of a voting deadline extension by 24 hours? I'm gonna have to go to the library to access the ballot form (blocked on stupid werk PC). May be able to vote this weekend but at expense of some (re)listening of nominees I'd like to do.

If you ILXmail me your ballot I can submit it for you.

Oh, Ok thanks. I've never used ILXmail. Is that what's described as "Web mail" when you click on the site user's personal user info?

yep

Voted, looking forward to the rollout.

Only 25 votes!? That's impossible.

Not total. 25 in each category.

v much looking forward to the rollout - it occurs to me that i have much less idea about what will place highly than in most years. seemed that critical consensus wasn't very ilxish last year (maybe this is wishful thinking though)

Yeah, in past years (at least the years that J0rdan, seandalai and myself have conducted the poll), I've always had a reasonable idea of what might be in the top 10 in both categories. For 2013, I'll be just as surprised to find out as everyone else will.

Not total. 25 in each category.

― Johnny Fever

Yeah I know!

Judging by ILM's opinion through the year I think Haim and Vampire Weekend are sure to walk with the top two places in the albums poll. No idea on the top singles poll though.

Remember when it was 15? If we'd held on to that practice from the musically-run polls, there would've been a violent revolt before now.

why we can't we have the option to give things negative points? Like, everyone can get up to 5 items (weighted or no) that are things they are voting against. It would make it more interesting, and potentially more reflective of ilx collectively.

Ok I managed to do 25 for each. The albums was easier since I already knew my top 20 beforehand but with the songs I still have no idea. Somehow I feel I ended up voting randomly and I'll regret excluding something in favor of less interesting songs.

I see there's an edit button in there. Can we just edit our ballot whenever we wish to? If so what's the deadline for a final edit?

why we can't we have the option to give things negative points? Like, everyone can get up to 5 items (weighted or no) that are things they are voting against. It would make it more interesting, and potentially more reflective of ilx collectively.

― sarahell

Also known as Drake points.

ha the idea of -ve points was raised in a past poll iirc. i'm pro the idea but it got shot down real quick :(

there would probably be some songs (artists) who would score in the net negative range if that were to happen

no bad thing! a parade of martyrs would be a nice warm-up to the countdown proper imo

Maybe we could make a top 10 hate poll... so, instead of deducting points from the existing ones everyone gets to pick only one song they hated and we run a mini poll for those.

List is hard to look at on a phone and I don't know very many, i like the Jackbox record so would vote that (who nominated it?)

Didn't realize the marie brunvoll had an actual release, liked it first time I heard it but wore out its welcome real quick

Albums will be okay to do. I'm going to find picking the songs hell on earth

Much as I would love to topple the inevitable Haim landslide with negative points, I think overall it is a bad idea. (Though fuck Vampire Weekend winning, too.) (And actually I reckon Beyoncé's momentum might help me out here.)

Much as I would love to topple the inevitable Haim landslide with negative points

this was a large part of my "inspiration"

in favour of either hateful votes or hateful sub-poll

haim is where the hate is

Haim negative points here too

If Haim doesn't win, some other shit will. It's pointless. It's all pointless.

clutching on to beyoncé hope. save us beysus

Could see Haim being the most voted-for album but that wouldn't necessarily translate to it winning.

i like to think of the ilm poll as the tru oscars of music, coming right at the end after all the precursors (p4k, p&j &c.).

and if anything is "peaking at the right time" it's beyonce

'Blood On The Leaves' here.

Beyonce's going to win this innit? NTS: must listen to new Beyonce.

Okay, submitted a mixed ballot. Tracks #1 and #2 rest unweighted. Albums #1 rest unweighted. Think I did it correctly.

No Haim, No Bey.

This could be a year when the list looks--even more than usual?--like a collection of picks representing balkanized sub-communities on the board. I still think it's not hard to guess some of what will appear in the top ten, but I also think I'd rather wait at this point.

trap going haim

The name does beg for puns. I have been walking around with less successful ones going through my head this morning.

This could be a year when the list looks--even more than usual?--like a collection of picks representing balkanized sub-communities on the board.

Is there a consensus metal pick that will definitely make it this year? Do the rolling worlders have a representative? I said earlier that I don't think there's a consensus 'weirdo' pick, and I still think that's true, ill-defined as 'weirdo' may be. So I don't know if the sub-communities will just be rock vs pop or what? Or am I completely out of the loop and new sub-communities have formed?

I suppose metal pick is Deafheaven, actually? I still haven't heard that.

surely the consensus "weirdo" pick is My Dick

fyi I am inordinately proud of that sentence

Is there a consensus metal pick that will definitely make it this year?

Carcass will doubtless place, and probably quite high I can imagine. Oh and xpost Deafheaven

i've felt more distant than ever from the tastes of the sub-communities i frequent and even aside from that haven't noticed an incredible amount of consensus. a lot of the BIG albums this year, across many genres i like, were disappointing, so i think people have been devolving back to personal faves more than ever?

until BEYONCÉ happened, at least <3

Did ASG's Blood Drive ever catch on? Had some boosters, but I don't know. (I guess that's an x-post but not exactly to anyone in particular.)

consensus metal pick = jute gyte obv :D

well, if the consenters are me, flamboyant goon tie and maybe like 1 other person idk

I'm always totally surprised by the Tracks countdown. There'll rarely be anything in those that I know, but I'm not complaining cos I'd prefer to discover new things through polls than retread old ground. Sub-communities does make for a more muted impact when a big album comes out. If there's a big album in dance, metal, hip hop etc all the hype might end up centering around the dedicated board and then non-regulars could miss out. This is a perennial nu-ILM issue though and I really hope that in future there will be more remarkable genre albums with dedicated threads.

One reason I think I miss out on celebrated ILM tracks is cos I can't watch YouTubes at work where I do most of my ILM browsing, so when a thread with a long arcane title appears and I open it and there's a YouTube in the OP, I tend to close it and then I miss out.

consensus metal pick = jute gyte obv :D

― VENIET IMBER (imago), Thursday, January 9, 2014 4:03 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really do hope this gets a look in. I voted for it but haven't listened to it enough to place it very high even though I massively respect what the dude is doing.

I've come to the conclusion that the likes of ASG, Ghost BC, Baroness and the recent Uncle Acid just don't quite hit my buttons enough for me to love them.

we need more metal taken to 'new levels' innit

Jute Gyte was one of those 'wrote it down so as not to forget to listen to it, forgot to listen to it' albums for me. Heard one track that sounded interesting but just failed to follow up.

well it's got at least 52 points heading its way, and that's if latin's put it 25th

oh hey a friend of mine just made me a copy of that Jute Gyte CD and made me listen to it, isn't it from the 70's or something?

the 2070s yeah

it's irregular-temperament metal. way out there. totally brutal and disconcerting since it doesn't use regular tonal scales etc.

and also featuring miraculously brilliant & sublime songwriting & a surprisingly light touch

does ILM really like Haim that much? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

i'm too busy with life to post on ILX these days, but i just voted

two of HAIM have ethnomusicology degrees, dontcha know

srs?

I was informed of this when I dared to quibble their music

I guess it's what makes them good

Haim suck and no way Beyonce isnt going to win in a landslide.
If I have to I'll vote Beyonce at #1 just to stop Haim :)

haim are not my thing at all but i'm so baffled by the levels of hate for them! but i encourage any and all beyoncé votes

we're running a metal tracks poll this year (voting finishes tomorrow) and we will probably announce the tracks poll results over the weekend, but there's time to vote ~~~ ILM METAL POLL 2013 - ALBUMS & TRACKS VOTING & CAMPAIGN THREAD~~~ (VOTING ENDS FRIDAY JANUARY 10th 11.59pm UK time/6.59pm EST) )

and there is a tracks spotify playlist , so if you wanna vote for tracks but not albums you can!
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/5h0uxOzYvaafpBbe6Sve2J

lex i think its the haim hype that pisses people off (plus that david cameron thing)

I like polished studio HAIM, but have been mostly unimpressed with the live HAIM clips I've heard. I'm not big on rock style vocals in general though, one of the stumbling blocks for me w/r/t rock from 60s classic rock through current indie (not that the vocals are annoying in the same manner across the entire spectrum of rock). Of course, we are talking the album, so we are talking about studio HAIM, so I voted for it. I didn't bother to try to check out the new Beyonce because while I have no doubt she's a good singer, nothing by her has ever really done anything for me. But I probably should have listened to a few tracks from the new one at least.

Can I vote for HAIM in the metal poll?

i didn't realized haim ever inspired this kind of backlash. i am tempted to actually listen to their album now.

lex I dont know if you do spotify or not but if you get the chance you (and others) should give each track a bit of a listen at least and see what you think as I'd love to know. I love reading comments by people who dont normally listen to that type of music. If I may recomend a specific track to you then it would be Jess & The Ancient Ones - Astral Sabbat
http://youtu.be/5hgWxb1bXkE

or Kylesa - Unspoken
http://youtu.be/VlbC-hk25Aw

Can I vote for HAIM in the metal poll?

― _Rudipherous_, Thursday, January 9, 2014 4:58 PM

You have until tomorrow to vote for anything nominated (so, no)

not gonna vote in the metal poll as i am no expert & have heard very few metal albums from 2013 but may put half an eye on the rollout

shaking the habitual/yeezus/light up gold & raging lung/sh!t/young and beautiful

If those are guesses about high placing albums, add: Same Trailer Different Park. And that Holden album lots of people like.

i didn't realized haim ever inspired this kind of backlash. i am tempted to actually listen to their album now.

i recommend starting here

i kiss you

louis have a look at metal poll noms. I've decided that the minimum ballot this year is 5 albums, and I know you can manage that. (MUTation, Jute Gyte, Melt Banana and...?)
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1drL3Po9X0lYXSIkfuIMzY3bp7V5MRnLnBwi4-29WFCc/viewform

yeah but I can vote for all of 'em here, and I don't want to have to give Kayo Dot loads of points they just don't deserve :P

jeez louis metal poll is struggling this year for ballots. It might be the last ever one because of it.

you could help save it or at least be part of ILM history by voting in the last ever metal poll.

I don't agree that the metal poll is dying or anything but I lolled at jeez louis.

sure, some artists would pass beneath the radar if the metal voters all strayed over to the main poll (as I believe should happen) but that's what the rolling metal thread is for right

some? you mean all?

haha nah some would do ok if you ALL fucken came over. happened before hasn't it?

deafheaven sucks

nope. metal poll is because rolling metal thread folk wont vote in main poll as it mostly doesnt interest them.

well that was why it started. Now rolling metal thread isn't even interested in metal poll as previous years.
dropped from 80 - 74 - 51 - 26 this year.

rolling metal thread hates deafheaven iirc

anyway lj just vote please

oh okay, cool xp

o god yeah deafheaven's rly boring

I like them a lot but they have been dismissed as "hipster shoegazers infiltrating metal" by the troo kvlt metallers of this world.

Hype puts people off in the metal world more than any genre tbh

re: non-anglophone contenders, i wld have thought onyeabor & souleyman will place. i predict more serious face techno than ever before, prob no kpop.

I don't spend any time in the metal thread, but if regulars there don't vote in the major poll and are showing less interest in the genre poll, it just seems to me like polls are not a thing that interests them. *shrug*

which is what i said. tho its a bit of exaggeration to say noone in metal thread votes (a few high profile posters dont but 90% of voters are from there this year, whereas in previous years we got a lot of lurker votes plus ppl from rest of ilx who didnt post in rolling promo thread but still listened enough to metal to vote)

what is worrying though is for the past few years we've lost over 20 voters a year.

Haim are great, backlash is predictable and wack
I am surprised to say that this is the year where i have like sixty albums to choose from and only half as many singles that i'm passionate about. Spotify did this to me.

serial killer? xp

oh definitely.

It's been a pretty good year for metal too (creatively at least, i dont suppose any of the critics/troo kvltists metal has sold and noone seems to like the actual mainstream metal that does sell to people out in the real world)

I bet even deafheaven havent crossed over to readers of Revolver nevermind Uncle Acid, Ghost, in solitude or any of the actual metal with no screaming just singing that critics like just now.

xp sorry, didn't see xp

i recommend starting here

omg this is so good it reminds me of no secrets or maybe some other band that i saw in the 25-cent clearance section recently. now my expectations are too high.

lol nick. I wonder which metal thread regular who hates polls that travels the country regularly could be that?

Haven't really been following metal all that closely this year (usually rely on the EOY poll to catch me up) but I did happen to come across Stara Rzeka - Cień Chmury Nad Ukrytym Polem several months ago and it is so amazing. One of my top 3 of the year. I would fully recommend that album.

AG I will use a couple of my other accounts to vote in yr metal poll

I don't listen to metal tho so I'll have to pick randomly from the noms list

There's quite a bit of K-pop nominated this year and most aren't on Spotify so I made a Youtube playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP-ajiMFDEG5PV5xhpKwMTVLhGKhQ_mb1

Don't forget to check out old J- friends Shiina Ringo and Sakanaction.

Indeed... Sakanaction single is my no. 1 :)

shiina ringo has secured 25th place on my traxballot. 2 points can go a long way

Deafheaven was the metal album that pitchfork endorsed this year, which usually means metal fans hate it.

The consensus metal picks for 2013 far as I know would be from Gorguts, Hell and Carcass. Am I wrong?

Deafheaven is fine if you think about them as the Fucked Up equivalent of Mogwai and not a metal band.

You guys heard the album by Nails? That's a serious rip your face off record.

moka that seems about right yeah

Thx for the k-pop YouTube play-list Roz. EXO and f(x)made my list but I'd missed a lot of these.

yay.

seandalai/JF, just noticed that EvoL's "Get Up" is missing from the tracks list. Frank Kogan nom'd it.

Ok, I've added it to the Google spreadsheet; JF will have to add it to his text version.

Done.

dropped from 80 - 74 - 51 - 26 this year.

This year it will be well over 30, which is good going imo for a metal poll on a board where most people don't listen to metal and the main poll gets around 140 ballots.

The fact that the metal poll got 80 ballots in a year when the main poll got 121 is way more surprising. Metal didn't do better than usual on the main poll in 2010, so it seems like there was a distinct community of metal ppl. Who were those people? Have they left? I guess I have a theory that non-generalists might not stay around so long on ILM but I don't know if that's true.

76 hours of spotify tracks playlist listening here i come, best get some crisps in

― tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Monday, January 6, 2014 10:28 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how far did you get nick?

I promoted it a lot more those years but hardly bothered this year as I got fed up with complaints about thread always being top of SNA and ruining peoples experience of ILX or something..
but it shows if I dont promote we dont get votes. Lose/Lose either way innit.

We have got what? 2/3rds of votes since three days ago when I noticed we only had 12 albums ballots and about 5 tracks ballots and there was only a few days left to vote and started to promote it a bit more.
Seandalai I'd love to know where all the votes have gone. J3ff says a lot of ilm metal fans went to twitter and left ilm so maybe he's right? But I'm at a loss to explain it. Metal thread isn't as busy as it used to be and ,deafheaven aside , nothing seems to be crossing over. But that wasn't really a problem as a lot of the lurkers in previous years seemed to be into really obscure or extreme stuff even I hadn't heard them but who knows.

Anyway there's only a minimum of 5 albums needed for a ballot so if anyone likes the minimum of 5 album or indeed 5 tracks they should vote. This year with a lower turnout every ballot could make an impact (esp tracks) so have a look! Every ilxor is welcome, its still an ilx poll remember. It might just surprise people how much they like that has been nominated.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1drL3Po9X0lYXSIkfuIMzY3bp7V5MRnLnBwi4-29WFCc/viewform

i got as far as June Gyte and I'm having trouble getting through the screaming

don't dislike it though

Updated the metal poll tracks nominations playlist
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/5h0uxOzYvaafpBbe6Sve2J

you have 25 hours left to vote in metal albums and/or tracks poll!

how far did you get nick?

oh man, four days i've been at it so far while i've been working and i'm still less than half the way in. it's been kind of a grind tbh and not really a good way of listening to unfamiliar music - it's exhausting to a point where it just exacerbates genre prejudices and more challenging or abrasive stuff just isn't getting a fair crack at all (ima go back for that later). having said that, trying to guess which ilxor nommed particular tracks has been mildly diverting, and, cos i've not really been paying much attention to things outside of my usual orbit, there's still been a whole bunch of new-to-me stuff that i've enjoyed to a greater or lesser extent eg:

Vanessa Paradis - Love Song
DJ Koze ft. Matthew Drear - My Plans
Kidnap Kid - Thin Lines
Magic System - Mamadou
DJ Q - Heaven
MIA - Come Walk With Me
Angel Haze - Echelon (It's My Way)
Toyboy & Robin - Jaded
Young Galaxy - Pretty Boy (Peaking Lights remix)
Drums of Death - True
Creep ft. Dark Sister - Jessica King
Miley Cyrus - FU
Shanell - Catch Me At The Light
Snuff Crew ft. Tyree Cooper - Work It Out

Oh, special mention to Peter Gordon & Factory Floor - Beachingcombing cos that was 15 minutes of unexpected spaced-out bliss

I see there's an edit button in there. Can we just edit our ballot whenever we wish to? If so what's the deadline for a final edit?

― Moka, Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:45 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was hoping the Google-provided edit option would work but I think you can only use it immediately after you've voted. If you come back later it won't give you that option - or at least that's what happened when I tested it.

If people want to revise their ballot they can ILXmail me their changes or just submit a new ballot and post here so I know to delete the old one. You can do this any time up until the polls close.

Oddly enough, I voted.

Kidnap Kid - Thin Lines
Drums of Death - True
DJ Q - Heaven
Toyboy & Robin - Jaded

I like all of those but I've decided Trumpet & Badman's (also DJ Q involved) "Love Keeps Changing" is better than "Heaven."

Haim suck and no way Beyonce isnt going to win in a landslide.
If I have to I'll vote Beyonce at #1 just to stop Haim :)

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper)

See I'm happy as I love both these albums and will be fine if they do make up the top two. I'm with you though, Beyonce is going to take this in a bigger landslide than Miguel did last year.

Been going through the Spotify playlist for the last week just skipping the songs I already know. Found some real gems on there that I would have never known about otherwise. This is why I love this place.

I'm going to through some of the albums that are are lower down on my albums that I've probably only played once to see if they deserve a bump. I started doing this already and was pleased to find the Charli XCX album isn't just a 7/10 might be in my top 50 albums kind of an album and should actually be in my top 10. I just heard Superlove for the first time too, just wow!

Oh, special mention to Peter Gordon & Factory Floor - Beachingcombing cos that was 15 minutes of unexpected spaced-out bliss

― tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB)

Yeah this is one of the songs I've discovered on there too. Glad you mentioned the Vanessa Paradis song. I nominated it and will be putting it very high on my list.

I hope mia and the knife win the albums poll. if Beyonce wins I will be truly sad. good songs there but it is not a great album.

i don't really care much what wins, but lord it'd be nice if it's not a 'ghost of ilx polls past' artist like mia or the knife

well in fairness both MIA and The Knife released great albums last year, it's not like it would be a TRAVESTY if either won

OTOH if Vampire Weekend wins...

but it's going to be Beyonce, isn't it?

haim and yeezus were my top two iirc and either could take it, imo. yeezus did very well everywhere else but we may be inoculated to kanye hype

re: beyoncé, i half-worry that the nature of its release means it won't pick up casual votes like a lot of other big-name releases will. not streamed anywhere, all but two of the songs being kept off youtube and spotify etc.

i liked both m.i.a. and knife albums and they'll surely place but the latter was divisive and it felt like not as many people were as interested in the former as in previous years. yeezus will probably be top 10 but ilx is pretty kanye-sceptical yeah. (or rather: i think what often makes ilx differ from ~critical consensus is that ilx is much less forgiving of missteps or moments of awfulness whereas lots of critics will be all like "ooh that's what makes it special")

haim winning would be o_0 to me but i don't mind them, it's vampire fucking weekend i fear.

beyonce is a great album

I was surprised that Eminem didn't get nominated...

hahaha did we really overlook him? HI-FIVE ILM this is almost as good as snubbing drake's first album <3

Sorry guys, but he's on there.

Eminem - Bad Guy
Eminem - Berzerk
Eminem - Rap God
Eminem ft. Kendrick Lamar - Love Game

Or did you mean the full album? Because those tracks alone are too much.

Yeah, the album. I don't do tracks/singles.

I'd be delighted if the Knife won, but it's a real Marmite album so it probably won't.

Vampire Weekend convinced me this year, for the first time, that they're actually worthy of my attention. The high points on that album are VERY high, but they're yet to make a perfect album I think - next one maybe?

I've decided to try and make my way through the entire Spotify list.

it may be a great album but I didn't vote for Beyoncé because I've only been able to hear a couple tracks so far. It's possible that there are other folks on here who have had a similar experience. Still wouldn't surprise me if it won overall.

I think The Knife or Kanye could easily take it too. I'd be bummed if Vampire Weekend was our top choice. The new album is fine just like all their albums are fine, but none of them are great, outstanding, or exciting to me, just good.

I also think Daft Punk could be a dark horse contender here.

oh shit i forgot about daft punk.

"get lucky" is a shoe-in for #1 on the trax poll i guess :(

Not on my watch.

(Just kidding, I can't deny it a spot on my ballot if only because nothing from My Dick got nominated.)

Only after submitting my track list did I realize that I forgot to vote for Daft Punk. I wouldn't have voted for Get Lucky though.

I'll prob vote for the daft punk album if I vote

Many xps I feel you nick, I put the spotify playlistism on shuffle yesterday but I wasn't listening very well. Kept suddenly zoning in to what I'd been playing & going "woah I should have skipped this bs several minutes ago!"

Why does my phone think playlistism is a word

Is it a word

it is now

"Playlistizm" is the most underrated Sonz of a Loop Da Loop Era single

I'd be disappointed if Kanye made number one, partly because he also represents done-to-death ILM royalty as much as DP, VW, Knife, MIA etc and also because, even though the rest of the album is cool in a deliberately ugly kind of way, Blood On The Leaves is quite possibly one of the worst songs I've heard in the last 5 years.

I haven't been able to discern why Vampire Weekend is loved so much more here than the vast majority of indie rock bands. A one sentence explanation would be helpful (that's the extent of my interest).

Potential one sentence explanation: people are stupid?

I asked the same question on their thread a few months ago, and I was especially interested in why so many people who'd otherwise reject such bands love VW. I know Matt DC, Rev and Tim F are all fans, for example. I'll try and find the bit. I think the answer boils down very simply to songcraft - particularly melody and lyric-writing.

I keep thinking the real dark horse to watch out for is that Paramore album.

Vampire Weekend albums : Pauline Young !

that horrible feeling when you've finally winnowed a ballot down to 25 and then you realize that you didn't forget to nominate an album you planned on voting for from when you first heard it in January after all

awww... what was it?

NEEK THE EXOTIC MADE ALBUM THIS YEAR??! HOLY SHIT

Thanks for singling out that part of the the VW thread, dog latin. I can't really even get past the sound of the vocals, so I am probably just being a simplistic hater. Lyrics are almost never enough to make me like a song, though I did appreciate the horchata/bachata rhyme.

. . . Actually I semed to have posted near that portion! but I might have just skimmed it. That comment from Rev about AC production making him physically ill did sound familiar.

I keep thinking the real dark horse to watch out for is that Paramore album.

totally voting for this btw

awww... what was it?

something that made my ballot! RIP to DJ Koze tho

Rudipherous, I guess tolerance for this kind of singing is definitely going to affect you. If you don't like Ezra's vox it's gonna be a barrier, but I think this was the song which (after asking my question over on the other thread) eventually cemented VW as a very good, rather than just okay, band :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDxcDjg9P4

With sections so catchy I couldn't rest until I'd attempted to play and sing it on guitar: https://soundcloud.com/doglatin/step-vampire-weekend-cover

Sorry, I'm usually v calm about other people liking music I don't but that "Step" song makes me angry.

uh oh...

dear fucking christ

daerest fattey

I keep thinking the real dark horse to watch out for is that Paramore album.

Never been interested in them before but the hype is getting to me. I actually really want to hear this.

I feel like Vampire Weekend internalized every unfair criticism and generalization made about them and their music and turned into self-fulfilling prophecy on the last album, or at least on the first half of the last album, which I found so anonymous and boring that it overwhelmed my memory of the second half (assuming I ever actually got around to playing it). I did recently hear a snippet of a song from it that sounded good/interesting but now I can't remember which song it was.

Christ, that Vampire Weekend song. Why do they sing like that? I thought they were supposed to be influenced by Afrobeat or whatever. Maybe if they stopped singing and made an album of nothing but Dawn Of Midi polyrhythms I'd like them.

oh my fucking god that vampire weekend song, what is wrong with people?

that vocal affectation induces genuine rage in me, and like seandalai I *never* get worked up over music

the lyrics are of course virtually indefensible as language

haha

the tune simplistic twee-indie bollocks perhaps one step of remove from Pomplamoose

all of this will galvanise the voters, maybe get it a few more #1s. don't care

I listen to a lot of 60s psych-pop so I'm not unaccustomed to vocal affectations but good lord that's annoying

I am trying to listen to Modern Vampires of the City again and "Obvious Bicycles" is making me think of The Lumineers

mumblecore is a genre of film you converse-wearing fuckwits, it wasn't meant to be music

so far, for me, beyonce is winning the battle of the favourites purely because I haven't heard a note of it. really nothing redeemable I've heard among the frontrunners, unless we're counting MBV as a frontrunner

Like I'll rep for Beulah or B+S so I'm not allergic to twee but I cannot take the lameness of "Step". Oh and don't make a lyrics video when your lyrics are shit. (xps if it makes a diff)

I feel like Vampire Weekend internalized every unfair criticism and generalization made about them and their music and turned into self-fulfilling prophecy

This is very otm

twee can be pretty great though so many acts get it wrong esp modern day ones (like any genre I suppose)

Actually I think "Step" is missing the insecurity you need to make twee so it's not even that.

oh, belle and sebastian's best stuff is not even calculably better than that song

it's an entirely different universe of being able to write a song

fyi I made it about halfway through "Hannah Hunt" before giving up

emil.y dont do it

hannah hunt
hannah neeeed
hannah lust
hanimal

don't know, I think the whole thing is beautiful. I do see how Step can get on one's nerves but if you hate Ya Hey fuck you.

6 hours left to vote in metal tracks/albums poll please have a look at nominations and think about voting!

if you like 5 tracks and/or 5 albums you can vote!

~~~ ILM METAL POLL 2013 - ALBUMS & TRACKS VOTING & CAMPAIGN THREAD~~~ (VOTING ENDS FRIDAY JANUARY 10th 11.59pm UK time/6.59pm EST) )

direct link to form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1drL3Po9X0lYXSIkfuIMzY3bp7V5MRnLnBwi4-29WFCc/viewform

like seandalai I *never* get worked up over music

― VENIET IMBER (imago), Friday, January 10, 2014 5:05 PM (6 minutes ago)

Lol, what?

Can I vote for HAIM in the metal poll?

Vampire Weekend had no chance in hell of making my ballot. Likewise Beyonce.

like seandalai I *never* get worked up over music

― VENIET IMBER (imago), Friday, January 10, 2014 5:05 PM (6 minutes ago)

Lol, what?

― emil.y, Friday, January 10, 2014 5:37 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

damn irony really is dead

fairly confident emil.y is going 2 kill u for that

Ya Hey, my my
Irony will never die

Hey, I never said owt about my own rage tendencies. Though I am trying to be more ~*~chill~*~ these days.

I meant that imago was clearly being ah forget it

Well, that's what I thought you meant initially and then imago said I'd kill you. Huh. Whatever.

Also, pretty sure I've been confusing 'Ya Hey' with 'Ho Hey' all this year.

Not saying anything about 'Hey Ya'.

So weird, why are we talking about "vocal inflections" with VW, surely that's just the style of band?

Affectations, sorry. I mean, any number of bands have this. Wondering what is specifically so grating about it?

I have much more difficulty stomaching The Knife vocals than VW....

Any number do, but sometimes it's such a problem that it really makes listening impossible. For instance, I CAN NOT do Sugarland because of the way Jennifer Nettles sings.

probably gonna retract what i said about voting for the paramore album cos if any record really falls off in the second half it's that one. first seven tracks or so are all smashers though, maybe i'll just vote for a bunch of their tracks

i don't like the knife either tbf

smashers? Nick have you been hanging around with Scottish people again???

If you start saying Stoatirs then I will know!

paramore album definitely worth your time

My issue is not just with the affectedness per se of VW's vocals. I like some types of vocal artifice (I mean, I like Elvis Magno's ridiculous vibrato on that one Grupo Niche song I nominated), but don't care for what's being gone for in this case (or in the case of most indie rock).

whoops, wrong poll

important question, can somebody help?

what is my ILE username? is it "Beatrix Kiddo" or "Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings)"?

― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, January 10, 2014 4:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

preparing to submit my ballot, don't wanna mess this up

― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, January 10, 2014 4:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

your username is Raymond Cummings

thanks paul!

VOTED

Has anyone heard from J0rdan re: the poll this year? I messaged him when I started the nominations thread with a link to the spreadsheets, a thread he never posted on, and then again a couple days ago to see what's up.

Anyway, the job for rolling out the albums poll might be open if I don't hear anything soon. Interested parties stay tuned.

not seen him around at all.

btw 59 mins left to join johnny fever and the rest of us having voted in metal poll.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1drL3Po9X0lYXSIkfuIMzY3bp7V5MRnLnBwi4-29WFCc/viewform

ALL WELCOME

If we dont get the results tabulated tonight we will start rollout saturday .
Almost certainly going with the tracks poll results first as JF suggested.

dude, i forgot about little mix/missy - how ya doin'
totally my bad

i will take j0rdy's spot if he isn't down

probably gonna retract what i said about voting for the paramore album cos if any record really falls off in the second half it's that one. first seven tracks or so are all smashers though, maybe i'll just vote for a bunch of their tracks

― tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Friday, 10 January 2014 19:35 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but after the first 7 songs there's last hope and still into you and anklebiters and crazy girls and above all PROOF! which needs to be a single so it can go #1 everywhere, bring about world peace and then top next year's poll.

fyi I made it about halfway through "Hannah Hunt" before giving up

― SHAUN (DJP)

You probably turned it off just before the best bit then. No way that the album is close to album of the year but that song is really beautiful.

In the end, I'd be more happy w/ Paramore than VW for the album, if only for the sake of reinvention.

the back half of the Paramore album is less exciting than the first for sure but it's full of great songs and interesting moves they wouldn't have been able to get away with on a shorter album so there's not really anything i'd gladly take off of it

Yeah, first time I heard it, really wasn't expecting a post-rock finale.

~~~ 2014 ILM METAL POLL TRACKS & ALBUMS COUNTDOWN! ~~~ (Tracks top 30 first then Albums)

probably gonna retract what i said about voting for the paramore album cos if any record really falls off in the second half it's that one. first seven tracks or so are all smashers though, maybe i'll just vote for a bunch of their tracks

― tench and pike, scaup and snipe (NickB), Friday, 10 January 2014 19:35 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is some bullshit, the only really weak track on the album is no. 2! And even leaving aside the songs prolego mentioned there is the majesty of "Be Alone".

surprisingly not hating Paramore. in fact, could this be...enjoyment?

hmm, after 3 tracks I feel like I've overdosed on candy

so I uh ate the whole bag. *holds tummy wanly*

For what it's worth, it wasn't terrible by my chartpop-suspicious standards, and the song Part II may even have been rousing

chartpop? it's a great rock album.

haha chartrock then, it definitely has a strongly commercial remit, but does quite a lot with it & keeps it varied. as I say, I wasn't once compelled to turn it off

i might listen to haim

liveblob that shit

misprint upheld

I don't really do that

anyway I think I have to play this planningtorock album again

Listen to the first six songs on the Haim album at least. If you don't get much out of them, the rest are unlikely to sway you.

haha "listen to 50% to get a sense of it" -- i feel like once you say something more than "the first three songs" that's pretty meaningless

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_sample#Probability_and_nonprobability_sampling

As far as "weird" goes, Melt-Banana should do well, if that counts. (Not top ten well, but it should have a lot of supporters.)

lol who nominated beady eye

haim was nice btw, I wish I felt the love/hate as strongly as ilx/imago but I will say that the duke dumont rmx of that one song is this year's the lindstrøm mix of that one song

I've found some big album discoveries from going through the nominations over the last week.

As previously mentioned listening to the Charli XCX album again was big revelation. After ignoring it for most of the year I'm now going to have to find room in my top five for it.

The Frankie Rose album is fantastic. I heard Interstellar last year but it didn't register with me at all. Fell in love with Sorrow when going through the Spotify playlist and it turns out the whole album is just as good. The second half in particular is really strong.

The other big one has been the Dom Kennedy album Get Home Safely. Brilliant production and really consistent. It might rival Prodigy & Alchemist for my favourite rap album of the year.

I love the Melt Banana album, it's at least top 15 for me

how is "honest" going to do itp

Voted!

gr8080, I sent you a fb message.

I love this so much. Looking through all the noms sent me down a YouTube rabbit hole and turned me on to tons of great stuff I missed or slept on last year. There's a respectable degree of diversity represented in the nom lists.

Respectable? I meant to say it's a fucking awesome degree of diversity! It's seems really pretyy comprehensive of the music world imo

but will the results be as diverse?

Right now, the top ten tracks are all by or feature a guest vocal from Pharrell. Even that one by Merzbow.

Yeah, like 90% of the Spotify list is ace. Thought it would be a bit of a trial to list to, but totally enjoying it.

I have voted! Although I don't post much these days, I benefit (and suffer) from music toby hears about on ILM, so I thought it was worth a go...

I voted. Keen to see what everybody else has picked.

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/im-comig-home-six-days-left.png

I'm comig home

keep calm and carrion

clearly already a t-shirt with vultures on it

About to start the top tracks
~~~ 2014 ILM METAL POLL TRACKS & ALBUMS COUNTDOWN! ~~~ (Tracks top 30 first then Albums)

come join seandalai and fnb and others and have some fun!

very heartened to see the vampire weekend hate upthread, most of which really summarises my feelings towards that awful band as well.

just remembered that hopefully kacey musgraves will be another dark horse for the top 10!

mad i forgot to nominate the so so glos album :-[

Just posted the #1 metal track of the year as voted by ilm.
Going to start the albums countdown shortly

very heartened to see the vampire weekend hate upthread, most of which really summarises my feelings towards that awful band as well.

― lex pretend

You kept that quiet. Could you tell us all your views on Robyn/Arcade Fire/Radiohead next please.

Voted!

i guess most people have voted by now and i'm not sure if plugging is allowed ITT, but Haim fans owe it to themselves to hear this song by the Preatures, if they haven't already: https://soundcloud.com/thepreatures/ithyf

looking forward to seeing the rollout!

I especially like it when there's a lot of hate for a particular band.

Goddam it. New Ricardo Gallo (jazz pianist from Colombia, sometimes kind of out) album on Spotify, and I think it has been there all along, so I could have nominated it had I heard it, which I'm only doing now. . . I mean, maybe I won't regret that once I hear the whole thing, but there's definitely a chance.

(Of course if nobody is going to check out Matthew Shipp I'm not sure why I'd expect them to have checked this out.)

have the tracks and albums lists been taken down temporarily? can't seem to get them from the links above

Server's probably just down (it better just be temporary, because I paid the bill this week).

Voted! (Both lists are working now)

http://www.headoverheelsvictoria.ca/wp-content/uploads/hoh_summer_sale_countdown-05-620x612.jpg

I'm willing to bet the advert for that uses "Summer Night City" as a soundtrack. (Having Head Over Heels in the graphic doesn't help that thought.)

wtf, how did I manage to not nominate "Bats" by The Joy Formidable

(despite that, this was relatively painless to vote in largely because I flaked on nominating a bunch of songs that would have really inflated my tracks ballot)

will def place in the albums poll

such a fucking great album IMO

No Run The Jewels - Sea Legs either <- how can this be?

wow did no one actually nominate Black Panties?

ha i noticed that earlier as well

fair enough, it's not very good.

it's not the greatest loss in terms of quality but i don't think that's why it was snubbed

sort of interested to see how well/badly "do what u want" does; a month ago i'd have called that a shoe-in for the top half of the list at least

and no Bubble Butt, damn

I didn't do a single/tracks list but I will submit one of your choosing if someone pays me.

What's the going rate for this sort of thing?

^ Will you take bitcoins?

I'm trying to cram as much music as I can stand this last few days before submitting my ballot. Does anyone know where I can stream Beyonce's latest? I'm not her biggest fan by any means, but I'd like to at least check it out before casting. All the usual places I check out doesn't seem to have it.

The Joy Formidable barely made the 2011 list at #74, so i have zero hope of them making this one, though i voted for it

i think the 2011 list was how i was first put on to them -- def voting for wolf's law

Didn't realize that Smith Westerns' album, Soft Will, wasn't nominated. Obviously means it wouldn't have placed, but it should end up in my top twenty.

I never listened to it, but I thought the general consensus was that Smith Westerns went from great to suck with amazing speed.

According to the Beyonce thread you can (or could earlier today) stream it on Grooveshark.

Ha, yeah I'm in the minority for sure. xp

Thanks seandalai!

is there a "not-on-spotify" list?

I can't wait to find out which Hot Chip and Cassie songs place!

Don't forget St. Etienne and Robyn!

I never listened to it, but I thought the general consensus was that Smith Westerns went from great to suck with amazing speed.

Had I done nominations, I certainly would have included it. I love that album.

lol at rev

Not much time left to vote! Well, four days, but you're going to procrastinate and wait until the last minute anyway, so don't miss the deadline!

voted

My ballot's 100% Junior Boys and Mongolian Jet Set btw

slim pickings in tracks poll for me cuz I didn't have time to nominate. Oh well.

funnily enough I dont think anything that placed in the metal tracks poll was nominated.

http://www.dizzysushi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/four-days-left-e1352853633880.jpg

cuz I didn't have time to nominate

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 08:58 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pfffft bahahahaha

running another poll is time consuming. you couldnt even be arsed voting in it!

i made the political decision not to vote because i haven't heard much metal. although looking at the rundown there are a few records i'd have bumped quite handily

i told you to look at the noms list but you were too lazy!

We don't like it when you fight...

ilxors only fight over vampire weekend, whether paramore have a hardcore punk background or are deafheaven metal iirc

i \m/ fights

^must be a deafheaven fan

nah, but i didn't hate that album

I liked it myself. Surprised at the indie consensus love though.

hey AG what's your opinion on http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ ?

when i looked there in October, their metrics had sunbather as the highest rated album of 2013

i guess it still is http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/6-highest-rated/2013/1

Think I saw that when it got linked to by someone else on the rolling eoy thread.
I thought it was quite cool a metal band achieving that. Do wish the indie critics would cover other metal though (amongst other genres of course).
It seemed as though Pitchfork gave it a good review so other critics had to join in(not spin, as i know whiney is not only a deafheaven fan but a metal fan too) but ignore everything else buy y'know its a start.

I wonder how it will do in this poll. And of course do follow metal poll to see if it places high!

and on that note I better go start todays countdown.

I think we will be finishing thursday btw as that's what was voted for on thread.

you're going to procrastinate and wait until the last minute anyway

Yes, yes I am.

Do wish the indie critics would cover other metal though

Do you also wish metal critics would cover indie? No, I thought not.

I do actually. Nothing beats getting out of yer comfort zone. and in recent years I think plenty of metal bands/fans/critics have been checking out indie rock!

dunno why you assumed I would say "no"

There is a large school of thought which chastises the indie press for a perceived lack of inclusiveness while simultaneously excusing gaps in knowledge by other people as a matter-of-fact byproduct of specialisation. While I realise it is at least partly the fault of the indie presses of yore for presenting themselves as generalist when they are not, the hypocrisy of this attitude is still something of a bugbear of mine.

That is why I thought you would say no.

emil.y OTM. The indie press gets loads of flack when it covers other genres while simultaneously copping shit for not doing it exactly as genre gatekeepers might like, and I've never really understood it either.

i think no one should listen to or discuss music

less yapping, more voting plz

did it ages ago.

can I write in KMFDM's Don't Blow Your Top for all of my votes

Lol seandalai you told dog Latin to stop yapping

That's like saying "frogbs stop ribbiting on"

balls stop bollocking ppl

whew, i got my vote in

wins stop celebrating

eh it was kind of posted at everyone

less yapping, more voting plz wins

dog latin, dronestreet, pfunkboy and DJP can continue yapping

Sleepingbag give it a rest

Yeah seandalai I'm not done w this yet

waterface put a sock in it

whether paramore have a hardcore punk background

lurker

lol literally 3 posts on a topic and suddenly it's "all ilxors fight about." the metal thread inferiority complex lives on!

someone explain to him what a joke is please :)

waterface put a sock in it

― mile.y (wins), Tuesday, January 14, 2014 10:53 AM (28 minutes ago)

a+, hope this isnt recycled

Grady thanks for the high mark

Poll virgin voted.

yeah I voted too

Voted for the first time

yeah this was my first year voting also, always regarded it skeptically in the past but actually clicking on the results thread for the first time last year found it way more interesting, fun, and useful than any other year end list.

Voted. The albums list was easy for me, but tracks a lot harder...so many to choose from, and such a huge list, of which I've only heard a fraction. My vote feels like it could be missing my favorite tracks, if only I knew (or remembered) they existed! But I guess that is what the rollout is for, to see the huge variety of stuff that gets consensus

It's all fun and games until "The Fox" wins.

How many album ballots so far?

just sent mine

seandalai, I've ILXmailed you my Albums ballot. Thanks again.

sent. 1st time voter.

Jeff W: got it!

We have 82 album ballots and 74 track ballots. Still a fair number of regulars that haven't voted yet. It's still hard to say what the final results are going to look like - there is one point between the current #1 and #2 albums.

oh and

http://mightyvites.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/mightyvites-launch-in-3-days.jpg

everyone vote so haim dont win

everyone vote so haim do win

it's cool that so many people are voting for the first time. I've been looking forward to this pretty much all year because the 2013 lists were so good.

don't really get the Haim hatred

yeah AG what's your beef with Haim, and what makes you think you'd like any other likely #1 any better?

they once appeared in a photo with david cameron.

their music is almost indescribably dull

they were much better when they were in valli girls ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrM7xJpZbnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0v6pBkmdc

ah, misogyny. that ol' chesnut.

i mean we get why imago hates women, everybody here has seen silence of the lambs - he covets.

oh i thought you meant me

maybe you're miggs and pimping yr poll that even the ppl who care about metal don't care about is the equiv of miggs throwing his spunk on clarice!

i am obv chris isaak popping up for no reason

ive got a rockist poll to pimp
bbl

ahahaha you jaded old hack, balls

l0u1s jagg3r

j4mes bl0unt see fucken googleproofed what's your point

haha this is so immature i'm fucken engaging with a dude who inferred misogyny from claims of musical dullness as part of a shitty stale hardman troll act

i'd tell you to go fuck yrself but it's almost certain you're literally doing that as we speak

haha i'd never seen that Valli Girls stuff before. it's pretty great that you can troll people while posting a song with the refrain "welcome to the trolls world."

we don't like it when you fight...

i actually kinda liked that song haha
xp

did haim actually finish that high in any critics poll? for all the clutched pearls over what does it mean for indie when a girl band gets hype and groans over it being the dull consensus pick it didn't win place or show anywhere did it?

ftr i dont dislike haim (or any other band) because they're "girls".

what about Girls

i mean i guess it's in there w/ ram and mbv where it not placing at all or placing outside the top twenty would register as a surprise but it hasn't been a factor like vampire weekend or yeezus. haim = 2013 chiefs essentially. vampire weekend and yeezus are weird consensus picks also - alot of ppl think that vw is their best yet but a considerable number also think they've lost the plot and i would guess a significant number of yeezus voters would agree it would work alot better as an ep.

Are Haim indie?

It is by far VW's best album.

Beyonce is so gonna win this.

No, they're pop-rock. (xp to dl)

Not sure what this means: what does it mean for indie when a girl band gets hype? Like, I'm actually not sure what balls is referencing, or implying, or what?

i had no idea they were being promoted as 'indie' until the clutched pearl pieces came out (pfork hype doesn't necessarily signify that in 2013). vampire weekend production lends it some credibility but i think it's more just 'indie' is how that kind of pop sheen alt is 'indie' now (or 'indie' has become that pop sheen alt perhaps). i can't register them as indie at all though, i mean that one girl can actually sing.

emil.y there were alot of high profile verklempt rockcrit pieces reacting to haim and the hype and the 'coopting of indie', some of which had a pronounced misogynist undertone. lana del rey was invoked alot.

i mean grantland had a piece about how the haim record represented literally the death of indie rock, comparable to how sugar ray et al killed the altrock dream in 1997, tears tears.

didn't the Haim and VW albums have the same producer, and probably more in common aesthetically than not when you get down to it?

imagine having to tie in any subjective musical opinion with some bullshit rockcrit narrative, imagine being that jaded

yeah when i found that out it clarified what i like about the haim record - everything i like about vampire weekend minus actual vampire weekend

imagine parroting that bullshit rockcrit narrative reflexively, imagine being that lazy

loool imagine actually reading criticism of a band you don't like & only listened to because they had 500 new answers p much constantly on ilm for half a year

will you two get a fucking room

imagine all the people living life in peace

LJ i voted for the cardiacs

jk i voted for Haim

didn't the Haim and VW albums have the same producer, and probably more in common aesthetically than not when you get down to it?

― some dude, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:27 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah when i found that out it clarified what i like about the haim record - everything i like about vampire weekend minus actual vampire weekend

― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OHHHHH this probably explains why i never got into haim then! that fussiness in the production, yup

i never saw any really dumb pro-haim writing, that's what usually sets the rage triggers off for me (vampire weekend!). the weird thing is i have no conception of what their real life fanbase is, i don't know anyone who's into them (apart from critics) and they're really easy to ignore for a band with such success

This poll IS going to have a furia breakdown too, right?

i don't know anyone who's into them (apart from critics)

yup

Here's a great piece on said producer: http://grantland.com/features/ariel-rechtshaid-producer-vampire-weekend-haim-sky-ferreira-snoop-lion-justin-bieber/

i like haim and i am not a music critic, AMA

"regular poster on ilm" = "may as well be a music critic" to me

did haim actually finish that high in any critics poll?

#7 in P&J

also i realised recently that i don't care about haim b/c i really never grew up listening to the stuff they draw on, and have never heard that much of it - so while i've been a sucker for last year's uk house revival b/c it sounds so much like the '90s commercial dance i did grow up loving (w/o being just a throwback) i don't get that flash of recognition with haim

I would say in terms of the ratio of real-world-success (ie. sales) to critical-acclaim, HAIM are at about the same place as MIA was pre-"Paper Planes", perhaps even slightly ahead.

their success seems so hypothetical to me still. i've seen them pop up on tv several times now and each time i'm surprised. the other day there was high school girl at the park listening to them on blast at the dog park and it befuddled me nearly as much as the realization that wearing big ass headphones in public or two strapping it are totally normal things now as well. i can totally get the 'dull' charge, during last year's poll i was consistently not getting the love over the singles, but i was pleasantly surprised at how thoroughly solid the album is, more and more so as i played it ie i liked it more the third time thru than the first time. not exceptional and god knows nothing new but it hits its mark repeatedly. cf tony gwynn, christine mcvie, the strokes, ncis. i'm a sucker for that fussy production though.

haim are good and have catchy tunes

yeah djp i knew they were in the top tens, just saying for a band that's getting all the 'WHY DO CRITICS LOVE THIS BAND' ire they draw they're not actually winning any of these things.

two strapping it?

someone should make a thread for haim

haim are good and have catchy tunes

you see, pretty much all the praise of haim amounts to this, which is...fine! i guess they do have catchy tunes. whereas with vampire weekend you can't move for people blathering about how smart they are and how they're attuned to the human condition or how interesting a narrator he is and it's like fuck off fuck off i now want to stab this band a great deal

can't we hate them all

emil.y there were alot of high profile verklempt rockcrit pieces reacting to haim and the hype and the 'coopting of indie', some of which had a pronounced misogynist undertone. lana del rey was invoked alot.

― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:24 PM (14 minutes ago)

Oh, eurgh. I get annoyed by misclassification because I have that sort of (irritating) brain, but the accusation of 'co-opting' here is stupid, and yes, quite probably spurred by 'ew girls' wankery (I only have past history of rockcrit to go on for that assumption, but it's a pretty long history of that sort of shit). Reminds me of stumbling onto Amanda Palmer online hatefests, where the criticism is *very clearly* run by misogyny, almost enough to make me want to defend her.

i guess they do have catchy tunes

See, I can't even remember any of their tunes. I don't think they are very catchy. Not as catchy as that Trollz song, which I would almost like as bubblegum pop if it wasn't so horribly misogynist in itself. Woo hair and shopping yay!

DeRo:

Haim, Days Are Gone (Polydor)

Has indie-rock seriously gotten so twee and “poptimistic” that it can hail as a buzz band a California trio aiming at a modern update of Fleetwood Mac but barely achieving a less polished version of Wilson Phillips? Really?

hey seandalai if possible can you send my ballot back to me via ilxmail? If it's cool I wanted to change up something on my ballot.

ballot ballot

i don't know anyone who's into them (apart from critics)

Several of my squarer friends are (the people who think The Lumineers are cool and can't understand why their mere existence sets me off), so they've crossed over to the "I listen to so little new music these days" crowd.

god just because there's a guitar in it doesn't make it indie.

you see, pretty much all the praise of haim amounts to this, which is...fine! i guess they do have catchy tunes. whereas with vampire weekend you can't move for people blathering about how smart they are and how they're attuned to the human condition or how interesting a narrator he is and it's like fuck off fuck off i now want to stab this band a great deal

i think i like Haim and the VW albums for quite similar reasons really. I find both albums have a good 5-6 songs that are very catchy and enjoyable but not in an intolerable way. That's first and foremost why I like them. Not sure I understand what is meant by 'fussy' production but each to their own.
Haim do admittedly remind me of a lot of music I heard round the house when I was growing up and then maybe completely forgot about once I hit puberty, but I also don't think they're a total rip-off or tribute, it's just elements of things like 'Bad', 'Get Close', 'Tango In The Night' and all sorts of things off this one circa-86 pop compilation of my parents I used to play before I had the wherewithal to purchase my own music.
VW always ran hot and cold with me until now so I understand why people wouldn't like them. I think this is the first time I got attuned to how good they are at writing deceptively simple songs, so I think this is the first album where I even considered giving it a second listen. They've done a clever thing (IMO) of disregarding the critics who write them off as poshboy preps by turning the other cheek and sort of making it their whole schtick. Again that's going to rub a few backs up the wrong way but I think it's admirable that they aren't acting under the pretenses a lot of indie rock bands work under. As for lyrics, yeah they're fairly clever but I'm not a big lyric sheet reader.

that said i don't think there's anything wrong with people enjoying a band if they think the lyrics are smart. what is the issue with that?

That's how you wind up with legions of Jimmy Buffett fans.

thanks seand. I sent it back let me know if you got it.

xpost i don't know who that is

xp got it!

you see, pretty much all the praise of haim amounts to this, which is...fine! i guess they do have catchy tunes. whereas with vampire weekend you can't move for people blathering about how smart they are and how they're attuned to the human condition or how interesting a narrator he is and it's like fuck off fuck off i now want to stab this band a great deal

― lex pretend

But that's exactly why I like Vampire Weekend. They just have catchy tunes. I'm not into them for their lyrics and I have no idea how smart they're supposed to be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way too. What's the point dismissing all their fans and making up reasons for people liking them. If you don't like the music that's fine but this is a bullshit point your making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5tK-_yxLms

nooooooooo

haha

jimmy buffett is as unheard of here as dave matthews band or hootie & the blowfish.

Never ever heard of him til i read ilm

Every time I read things like this, I get visions of the musical paradise that must be living in the UK, and then I remember when someone (Matt DC?) linked that Seahorses Glastonbury performance

only people i know who've been travelling in australia have heard of DMB. The only time I heard of Hootie outside of the internet was some song by a Sepultura spinoff band I once heard.

I had a roommate in college who listened to buffett's greatest hits cd on repeat. You haven't been high until you been high while listening to "pencil thin mustache".

DJP, yes we have plenty of our own rubbish to deal with this end so don't worry.

djp fun loving criminals had hits here in the 90s

I didn't know who Jimmy Buffet was until I went to Chicago a couple of years ago. Me and my friend wanted to go get margaritas one night so we went here.

http://www.margaritaville.com/restaurants.html

Great drinks but they have a massive screen at the bar that plays nothing but his music videos. He is one properly creepy guy.

fun lovin' criminals do not have a chain of restaurants iirc

lol xp

you got bush in return

xxpost was it a buffet-restaurant?

the only use I have for Buffett was his acting role in repo man.

I had a roommate in college who listened to buffett's greatest hits cd on repeat. You haven't been high until you been high while listening to "pencil thin mustache".

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:52 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looool

the new vw album has great lyrics. that was a large part of what made me come around to them this year; previously i was seriously put off by the preppy/clever schtick and would never have been able to love them on the strength of catchy tunes alone. i haven't spent a lot of time with the haim record but they seem way more retro and pop than vw (all of which is fine of course) and i don't really get the comparison.

they're retro but hm what kind of retro exactly

fun lovin' criminals do not have a chain of restaurants iirc

http://therumkitchen.com

BEATS ARE SUPPLIED BY ‘DJ FAST’ FROM THE FUN LOVIN’ CRIMINALS

Also

http://www.spottedbylocals.com/dublin/di-fontaines/

and

http://dublintown.ie/bar/dice-bar/

okay lol

lol

tbf I think Huey has sold most of his interests in Dublin now. FLC were absurdly popular here for a long time though (could still be for all I know)

hey poll manager ppl:

Luminerians-The high frontier

this should be Lumerians not Luminerians

thx

My white lesbian friend and black trans dude roommate who are not music critics or ilxors were both obsessed with Haim even before the album and were mad when they couldn't get tickets for their sold out show at a fairly large venue around the time the album dropped. Afaict, in both cases, their other favorite album this year is Beyoncé. #irlHaimFansReport

ftr, I did not put either of them up on the band.

I would say in terms of the ratio of real-world-success (ie. sales) to critical-acclaim, HAIM are at about the same place as MIA was pre-"Paper Planes", perhaps even slightly ahead.

― o. nate, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:49 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

their success seems so hypothetical to me still. i've seen them pop up on tv several times now and each time i'm surprised.

― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

weird, i would have thought they're way more successful commercially than critically (modulo ilx) but i see they did pretty well on pazz & jop too. heard "the wire" on the radio all summer

haim has had far more chart success than m.i.a. had had at that time + i wouldn't say their critical success has scaled accordingly to match what m.i.a. was getting back then

Currently watching the artist behind one of the albums I voted for goofily dance around a club.

that's our bill callahan

Wasn't gonna vote but probably will now to bump up VW just to piss off Lex (tho genuinely my favourite album of the year).

i am going to vote in this thing for the first time ever and i am actually attempting to listen to as many of the tracks nominated as i can.

this is when I knew Haim had made it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vScm9fYbdec

http://blogtalkfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Mercedes_2DaysLeft.jpg

seandalai remember to pimp yr poll on metal poll results thread

I swear I will put together a ballot for this thing at some point. I've had the spotify list on as background music for the last few days and I just have to say: serious irl lols at this david bowie track "heat"! I hope someone played it to scott walker so scott could piss himself laughing XD

this should be Lumerians not Luminerians

lol

todays countdown has started. 20-11 today. feel free to lurk or post! Spotify and deezer links supplied!
~~~ 2014 ILM METAL POLL TRACKS & ALBUMS COUNTDOWN! ~~~ (Tracks top 30 first then Albums)

seandalai, Michael Hurley's Land Of Lofi album is listed twice, under "Michael Hurley" and 'Hurley Michael". thanks for all your work.

I think I can send my ballot tonight, wanna troll through the tracks list at random once more in case I discover something as fun as that Droop-E song.

thanks for the corrections people, I'll make sure they're all sorted out

This is maybe another weird DJPism but I feel like it's cheating to look through the nomination list for stuff new to you; part of it is the feeling that there's inflated enthusiasm for new stuff that wouldn't necessarily have sustained and part of it is feeling that the poll should as accurately as possible reflect the stuff each individual voter listened to over the year rather than the stuff everyone rallies around once it's all put together in a big pile (that's what the poll rollout is for).

OTOH I wonder how many people would vote for, say, the Wax Idols album or Frankie Rose if they had been heard in a timely manner

I think I enjoyed the Wax Idols song on the playlist! but now you've said that...

haha pwned

People can vote how they want imo. Everyone has different ideas about what ballots should be, like some people think you shouldn't vote for three tracks off an album and also for the album itself and some other people will say "those were my three favourite songs this year, it wouldn't be honest to leave them off".

Yeah my ballot won't have anything I didn't hear in 2013, although it may contain things I heard very late in 2013 so it's maybe an arbitrary distinction

People can vote how they want imo. Everyone has different ideas about what ballots should be, like some people think you shouldn't vote for three tracks off an album and also for the album itself and some other people will say "those were my three favourite songs this year, it wouldn't be honest to leave them off".

IMO some other people OTM

but obv everyone can vote how they want; I also recognize that my kneejerk dislike of "strategic voting" is hypocritical

This is maybe another weird DJPism but I feel like it's cheating to look through the nomination list for stuff new to you; part of it is the feeling that there's inflated enthusiasm for new stuff that wouldn't necessarily have sustained and part of it is feeling that the poll should as accurately as possible reflect the stuff each individual voter listened to over the year rather than the stuff everyone rallies around once it's all put together in a big pile (that's what the poll rollout is for).

this is an interesting & valid way to approach it imo, but not really applicable when (like me) your album shortlist was 52 and your tracks short list was... 20 at best. I'm not gonna pad out the bottom with five more Kurt Vile songs, even though I listened to that record a lot in 2013. I'd rather throw votes to cool tracks I discovered from the noms playlist, even if it's late in the game and doesn't represent my regular listening habits.

Same as wins here - no albums heard January this year will make it, some albums only heard for the first time in December will. Songs I treat a bit differently, there are a few I only heard at the turn of the year that I feel like I can make a reasonable judgement about, but it's still pretty rare for me to include anything new at this late stage. I guess it's the difference between "my favourites of 2013" and "best thing released in 2013", but I think there's room for a bit of slippage.

this is an interesting & valid way to approach it imo, but not really applicable when (like me) your album shortlist was 52 and your tracks short list was... 20 at best. I'm not gonna pad out the bottom with five more Kurt Vile songs, even though I listened to that record a lot in 2013. I'd rather throw votes to cool tracks I discovered from the noms playlist, even if it's late in the game and doesn't represent my regular listening habits.

yeah that makes sense; I had to trim my album list down from 50 and my track list down from over 100 (much like every year) so the notion of having open spots is foreign to me

(also I'd be tempted to leave those spots blank if I really couldn't think of anything else to vote for, but again that's me)

OTOH I did stick 3 tracks by one artist on my tracks ballot so I guess the real takeaway is "lol DJP"

(esp since if I'd bothered to listen to the Beastmilk album before today, I probably would have voted for it)

not really applicable when (like me) your album shortlist was 52 and your tracks short list was... 20 at best.

^this is so weird to me

This Beastmilk is actually really good so far.

take it to the nutrition nazis thread

Now's your chance to be the 100th voter!

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Comment to clam your vote!

at first I snickered, but then I thought "maybe it's just a bit of whimsy in a community where they vote on best clam drawing."

Congrats to j., our 100th voter! 5 d-points are heading your way!

wait, there's points, what are the cash value of those

What's the record number of voters for one of these EOY polls?

so i just voted, Pharaohs - Replicant Moods is on there twice once with an incorrect Pharoahs spelling fyi

sorry to give the game away to the two other people that are voting for it btw

In the past few years we've generally had 120-130 ballots in both tracks and albums. Dunno about historical records though.

2011 albums poll had 132 ballots, which is the biggest number of the current era.

lol are there records extant from the pre-napoleonic era

Only in dusty London archives.

Sadly they fell into the sandbox and were lost.

James Cameron is talking about sponsoring an expedition to salvage them though.

Whatever's left of them anyway.

i used to be quite against voting for multiple tracks from an album + the album itself but actually found myself doing that for two different albums this time around. those particular tracks i played the hell out of and was wowed by *as* single tracks and i do feel it would be dishonest to leave them off.

however i do still frown on ppl simply including a track that they didn't really love that much from an album that they DID love just because it's the album's putative 'single'

I'm voting for every song off random access memories, and random access memories

holy shit, why did I ignore Meek Mill

gunplay songs coming late but great

MOAR VOTES we're never going to top 200 at this pace

i forget which gets rolled out first, trax or albums?

trax

:)

already worked out which of my ballot i think/hope will place!

iirc you had the highest number of votes to place last year

Meek Mill rap like DJP been ignoring him. :)

I think I burned myself out on music trying to figure out my ballot. I've been craving silence all day at work today.

my vote is in. sadly, i forgot to nominate spike's LP, 'orange cloud nine', so this is my honorable mention.

I hope someone else voted for The Internet.

Mad at myself for not nominating "Diaper Money."

I think I burned myself out on music trying to figure out my ballot. I've been craving silence all day at work today.

that's the best side effect of making year-end lists! true peace

second-best, the sudden desire to delete 2013 music and only listen to old things

the sudden desire to delete 2013 music and only listen to old things 2014 music

lex, i sort of imagine you doing that on a week-by-week basis tbh

Voted! Really don't remember any of the previous years I've voted being so stressful.

what are the odds that this will be extended

whee, voted! paramore is the only album that made my list from the very light browsing I did of this & the campaigning thread.

I voted.

voted, 25 and 25.