overplayed style

prep versus lumberjack

which trend is more exhausted?

discuss

Both are classic American styles that will continually come back imo.

If you mean at the moment, I say prep, but that's just because I like lumberjack better. What I really don't like is when lumberjack goes prep, which I think might be happening again. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

boring white kids calling their harris tweeds & repp ties "crispy"

smdh

waxed barbour jacket, skinny jeans, polo shirt & brogues #thislook

by lumberjack do you mean will oldham style nu weird lumberjack or norse projects style modern lumberjack

lumberjack is timeless as long as you dont overdo it

both, but with emphasis on the latter xp

can u please post a picture of this lumberjack look just so I'm clear?

norse projects style modern lumberjack <-what on earth is this

one day we will stop cutting down trees, but will class-climbing ever stop?

i dunno, i recently reloaded my google reader with a whole bunch of menswear shit and it's like everywhere i look, these two complementary but competing styles, both deeply rooted in craftsmanship & americana but diverging in their fetishization of economic classes -- the prep/trad calculated insouciance on the one hand and outdoorsman/lumberjack affected utilitarianism on the other -- idk why this bothers me but it does

http://www.asestilostore.com/2010/12/lumberjack-style-mens-fashion-trend-for.html

ps I have no business posting in ILS

The pics in that link really push the boundaries of "lumberjack" imo

liked you've never chopped down at tree in a buttondown vest pfft

lumberjack is timeless as long as you dont overdo it

― Princess TamTam, Friday, February 11, 2011 2:31 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark

like flannel shirts, nice beards, boots? pretty hot imo

Yeah, not overdoing it is key, I think.

nice beard is key

http://insidecelebrityworld.com/tom-cruise-and-katie-holmes-are-lumberjack-chic/moms

like flannel shirts, nice beards, boots? pretty hot imo

― ENBB, Friday, February 11, 2011 4:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, lumberjack is the victor in hotness but prep wins for most overplayed. I have my collar popped right now (jk {kind of}).

how do you deal with lumberjackism in warmer climates? just sweat through it like religious wear in israel or goth wear in florida?

yea i realize that it sounds like i'm hating itt

you wear short sleeved flannels and cut offs but then you end up looking like a skin head.

it's also an LA hipster look tbh

tbrr i don't have an inherent problem with either of these styles tbh, when they are well done they are classic looks but something about the preoccupation with brand heritage & authenticity -- and how the brands try to capitalize on it -- really rings hollow for me, idk

actually think norse projects is more fisherman than lumberjack

ok I had to google norse projects and doesn't seem really lumberjacky to me but omg I love the colors of these new balances which still remain my fav sneakers: http://www.freshnessmag.com/2009/10/21/new-balance-x-norse-projects-m670/

http://i.imgur.com/NH5ru.gif ja it's more fishermanny http://i.imgur.com/NH5ru.gif

but something about the preoccupation with brand heritage & authenticity -- and how the brands try to capitalize on it -- really rings hollow for me, idk

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, February 11, 2011 4:32 PM Bookmark

In theory hertiage brands and well-made stuff should be a positive trend; the problem with it for me is that you know a lot of the guys buying the built-to-last filson jackets are probably going to put them in storage in a year or two when they buy the new must-have jacket.

yeah i guess lumberjack is maybe too specific for what i mean -- i guess it's more the outdoorsy workwear thing -- buffalo checks, red wings, oilcloth, alpine & fisherman sweaters, hunting caps, henleys, etc

xp yeah exactly h2

I had this pretentious idea for a while that I was going to write an essay about how the bestmade axe (a much blogged about designer axe made in NY with supposedly very high quality standards) is the ultimate icon of the current zeitgeist

these looks aren't style or fashion

lately though, I've been too drunk for fashion

the prep thing, otoh, annoys me because it's usually too close to home to really be ironic.

stradivariaxe is ironic?

I thought lumberjack style was to put on women's clothing and hang around in bars.

the last episode of community telegraphed lesbianism by dressing them in flannel... did that sort of thing predate the python sketch?

xpost no I just meant the urban lumberjack thing in general, in re irony. I mean I know we're all so many steps of irony removed from irony at this point that we don't think in these terms, but irony does have something to do with the origin of that style.

but something unironic about the prep origin is bothersome?

i can definitely see how moneyed kids affecting embracing their legacy of privilege via prep style would irritate; that's not exclusively the case of course but it's pretty visible

could be the fact that both these current styles kinda flatter their own permanence -- whether through "quality craftsmanship" and durability or the idea that men can abide by "permanent style" which never changes

Workwear/lumberjacks is fine as long as it doesn't start looking like a Halloween costume. Flannel, jeans, boots - fine. Flannel, jeans, boots, watch cap, $800 Mr. Freedom peacoat, leather wallet rein, artisanal axe - not fine.

boring white kids calling their harris tweeds & repp ties "crispy"

lol
i follow a lot of the menswear tumblr blogs that do this kind of thing. i like prep/heritage stuff as well as workwear. but it can't look like you're trying too hard. a lot of times it does..

what's funny about these blogs is.. with some of them.. a dude will post hundreds of pix of nice looking, expensive things and finally when he posts a photo of himself, it's like.. um how do you spend all your time obsessing about fashion and you don't know how to buy things that fit properly and put them together?

personally i pay most attention to the subgenre of blogs that are all trying to look like clemence poesy/charlotte gainsbourg/models from la garconne, and all own the same isabel marant boots (that i would buy, if they were available in my size, but they're not). it's not a bad look imo

you know who i really like is the street etiquette guys. i wish they'd post more

yeah those guys are amazing. they post more stuff to their tumblr if you havent already checked that out

yeah I do follow their tumblr. still needs more pix of Joshua because damn..

i follow a lot of the menswear tumblr blogs that do this kind of thing...

got links?

these are both super overplayed and mostly populated now by try-hards and bloggers

you know what never goes out of style is a top hat

btw i dress "lumberjack" because those are the clothes my girlfriend picks out for me

today i wore a longsleeve henley top, grey hoodie, filson vest, jeans, boots, top hat

A recent Apartment Therapy House Tour featured one of those painted-handle axes prominently displayed in a shot, as, like, a dining table centerpiece? So gross.

/i follow a lot of the menswear tumblr blogs that do this kind of thing.../

got links?

sure will look when I get home, on my phone at the moment. but #1 is ' how to talk to girls at parties'

somehow they don't annoy me as much as some of the truly dopey womens blogs that are all about big retail stores and their clothes often don't fit properly

note I have a lot of clothes from like j crew and such but I don't feel compelled to blog about constantly buying more.

also the lumberjack thing- i like it when it is like the uniform of the early 90s, that is always cool. but at the time I felt like a dork for buying flannel shirts from llbean instead of goodwill- cannot imagine people obsessing over the labels of any of it.

yeah i got a padded flannel shirt in pennys which is primark in the uk bc it was new years day and i was hitchhiking back from dingle and i was freezing by the time i made it to limerick and it cost €7 and i love it and wear it all the time. i only like things w/ mystical animals on it btw.

i saw some of his mystical animal shirts btw - p great

wait Primark is called Penny's in Ireland? I was not aware. I sort of love Primark for cheap accessories and tank tops. I am not ashamed. OK, maybe only a little.

I kind of love this flannel
http://www.ironheart.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=108&zenid=7e9f1d4d155d7838ed94309939362b34

But it's $350!

Yet when I go to the mall or look at llbean/Land's End/etc. no one is selling a flannel that looks half as good. All that patterns are smaller and old-mannish, the colors are duller and/or uglier. But I'd rather freeze to death (unlikely in TX) than drop $350 on a shirt.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8rmf1PKg21qbhnx1.jpg
Filson Mackinaw Cruiser, $300
“Originally designed to protect timber cruisers during long days in the woods, our rugged Mackinaw Cruiser soon gained fame for exceptional warmth, comfort and durability. It’s famed for function too, with 4 front utility pockets, a 3-slot pocket, 2 hand warmer pockets, an open inner pocket, and a full-width map pocket in back. Made of our thickest, heaviest Mackinaw Wool, a proven barrier against wind, rain, snow and cold.”

puts calluses on your hands too i bet

lol i mean

A couple of years ago Gap and J. Crew were all about solid-color earthtone shirts (utility, safari-style, etc.) - first they started ruining them with epaulets then they stopped doing them at all.

It is surprisingly hard to find a casual solid color men's shirt in a good green.

i have a green corduroy shirt

This thread reminds me that my ma owes me a plaid shirt. I'm still on the lookout for the ever elusive giant checked 90's plaids

http://i.imgur.com/NH5ru.gif <----nice gif

agreed

tehres; another version of that i saw years ago, where theres another dancing guy and they have boxing glvoes on and they dance around and box and it ends with them hugging, it was called BoxingQueers.gif

this is kind of cool for a 1950's plaid
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7958/plaidx.png

idk maybe i'm prone to overthink this sort of thing but i find myself wondering what roland barthes would make of the "fashion system" of menswear blogs

Pretty sure anyone still on or around Mackinaw Island in February is wearing more than a wool jacket. Fuck a $300 in the ear.

but laurel -- it has a map pocket; where else am i going to put all my maps? in my ipad case make of a recycled 1940s work apron? i don't think so

do you expect me to put my maps under my top hat? pshaw

It's true, maps certainly aren't going to fit in the breast pocket that's been stitched down to suggest that it would feel much more self-actualized if it were stuffed with shotgun shells.

The funny thing is that I have a grey wool overshirt almost exactly like that one, but it doesn't have the shotgun pocket or the map pocket, the pockets don't have snappy flaps, and I got it in the outlet store in Batavia, NY for a song. Like MAYBE it was $15.

yeah see i stuff my shotgun shell pockets with d cell batteries so i can get that real authentic look

D batteries you salvaged from an abandoned steel mill as you photographed your way across the rust belt, you meant to say.

guys i mean i feel you but come on

i think the weird thing w/the whole mid century outdoorsmen look is how many have embraced it so wholeheartedly - its not like theyre just adding a pair of redwings to their wardrobe or wearing an occasional flannel - its going whole hog down to how particularly the shit is rocked like cuffing yr selvage just so or w/e - and then theres j crew opening up menswear stores completely catering to what at this point seems more a statement of intent than a style - its saying weve occupied ourselves w/prissy nonsense for too long, lets get manly yall - but of course its not manly to obsess over w/e vintage eyelet detail in yr hiking boots so it just comes off vaguely drag queenish

also i feel like there are many long time standards in my wardrobe - woolrich jacket, wool sweater, beard - that i pair w/sneakers as is my habit and now i just look like some entry level vers of this guy

but w/e ive only been in ny like 1 month of the last year so i dont really have to worry abt it i guess

btw i think overall its a p nice look

Haha I just wrote and deleted a couple of lines about how people who are actually FROM the North Country or whatever semi-fictional places this gear is supposed to be worn, those people are more likely to be found wearing local state university sweatshirts and probably a garish ski parka. Even at the most woodsman-ish end of the spectrum, LL Bean, maybe Woolrich are about the most "authentic" you're gonna find.

like this is the ll bean boot youre likely to see people wearing from where i type in n vermont

http://grab.by/8XHn

lol yes EXACTLY!

maybe in 30 years nyc ad agency employees will be obsessing over nascar tshirts and photo realistic camo gear

i guess the glib thing 2 say is that menswear is infatuated w/ any culture that signifies tradition/craft/heritage/permanence bcuz of the instability & uncertainty around men's identity 'in the modern world'. like these clothes were 1st worn by men w/an unthinking sort of command & mastery of their milieux or w/e. prep is less tiresome bcuz its still connected to its own essential nature & culture whereas the workwear thing is just gross now.

im p sick of both of these tho been torrenting old episodes of friends to jack chandler 95s style

otm re: statement of intent over style -- it's not so much the style that bugs me as how the garments are held as fetish objects of authenticity & masculinity. like if i have to read another graph about the naval origins & functional design of the peacoat then i will barf. yes it's a perennial classic look, it crops up every couple years, the only thing new this time is the emphasis on functionality when it is really no more or less functional than, say, a nylon parka

yeah were in a stage where men generally are getting more into clothes but there seems to be the need in order to maintain a comfort level to quantify the experience via stats and history as far as how well it withstands the elements or like the fact that this pocket could conceivably be used for something that youll never use it for - its the rei outdoor gortex wicking headlamp gear mentality which imo is a v low form of materialism - guys should just admit to themselves that they like beautiful things and want to look beautiful - i think at that point theres room for powers of discernment to go way up

i guess the glib thing 2 say is that menswear is infatuated w/ any culture that signifies tradition/craft/heritage/permanence bcuz of the instability & uncertainty around men's identity 'in the modern world'. like these clothes were 1st worn by men w/an unthinking sort of command & mastery of their milieux

Elephant in the room, totes obvious but hardly ever mentioned. And something I'm really conflicted about have v much appreciation for since that so-called "mastery" was at the expense of every group that wasn't Them.

hey it was a good time to be a white american male *lights cigar, gazes toward the setting sun*

spotted @ the ri antiques mall: watch cap, checked shirt, canvas work vest, selvedge, red wings; dropping $$$$ on a midcentury teak sideboard like it wasn't even a thing

ballin

guys should just admit to themselves that they like beautiful things and want to look beautiful

yah theres a definite need in menswear for a 'narrative' - you can pay a grand for a pair of shoes if you know the detailed history of not only the wizened englishman who handcrafted them but the cattle that gave their lives too - whereas a girl can pay a grand for a pair of heels bcuz they make her ass look good

haha last fall i got an amazing midcentury teak credenza for $170 bucks

this is like the time i saw pants i own on fuckyeahmenswear isnt it?

I rly like a lot of boy's adventure stories from the turn of the cent through the mid-cent, plus lots of light adult fic, esp exciting now that so much of it is avail as ebooks in public domain, for FREE, and I gotta say, the modern analog of the 1920s woodsman or whatever is totally not who or what Filson customers think it is.

spotted @ the ri antiques mall: watch cap, checked shirt, canvas work vest, selvedge, red wings; dropping $$$$ on a midcentury teak sideboard like it wasn't even a thing

Must have read this 5x as "teak skateboard" for some reason and that still didn't even surprise me.

with prep style, tho -- i always thought one of the keys to the look was a privileged indifference to trad rules of formality -- eg sockless loafers or like showing up to luncheon in tennis whites or w/e -- but now i see bloggers wearing blue blazers over long sleeve rugbys over a collared shirt w/ the repp tie peeking out -- too much, dudes

teak skateboard, hand foraged steel trucks nbd

http://www.proteak.com/images/skateboard.jpg

are we bagging on midcentury furniture now too!!! my lifestyle is under attack/dont h8 the player h8 the game

yah theres a definite need in menswear for a 'narrative' - you can pay a grand for a pair of shoes if you know the detailed history of not only the wizened englishman who handcrafted them but the cattle that gave their lives too - whereas a girl can pay a grand for a pair of heels bcuz they make her ass look good

I have gotten into discussions with women over this and I come down on the side of expensive menswear being somewhat more reasonable. A couple of girls cracked up about me wearing $400 White's boots. But I wear them 15 hours a day, every day (and I can't even buy good-looking boots in my size from RW or w/e) - I'm paying for craftsmanship (they'll last forever with resoling) and for the fact I need custom. Contrast that with designer heels that are functionally no different from cheap heels, sometimes down to appearance, and aren't worn as often.

Ditto jeans, but in unisex - expensive selvage from Japan or the US are generally of higher quality (materials, craftsmanship) than designer brands that cost nearly the same. I'd rather pay for material and because on guy in Oakland is sewing than buy Diesel sewn in the developing world.

Compared to thrifting or buying cheap jeans from Wal-Mart, it's all frivolous of course. But the menswear aesthetic of focusing on craft and history (if not real world function) is not without its merits compared to fashion as a whole.

pfft midcentry furniture so 00s

milo i feel you on valuing craftsmanship, i guess from my pov it so easily goes over board into gross conceptuality which is actually imo an impediment to appreciation

yeah see i stuff my shotgun shell pockets with d cell batteries so i can get that real authentic look

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:20 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

this just reminds me of a time in 7th grade study hall when my discman was out of batteries so i leaned over and jokingly asked this one D&D/gamer lookin dude if he happened to have any batteries and he did. his pockets were full of fucking batteries. it was totally weird

nah teak is cool w/ me

maybe just don't dress like a woodsman as you politely ask the dude in the reeboks & wranglers to load the credenza into yr mercedes van

Contrast that with designer heels that are functionally no different from cheap heels, sometimes down to appearance

This not actually true, but w/e, not germane to thread.

craftsmanship will not save u from the yawning abyss of technology fyi

mercedes van

You mean your Dodge Sprinter, right?

But you paid xtra for the Merc branding kit to be installed at the dealership.

Because of, u know, craftsmanship.

speaking of technology how abt this new term for craftsmanship where there is no craftsman 'build quality'

laurel: that's the one

I love this thread so much, it's all about how 20-sthing hipsters want to my life or something??? Hilarious!

you know what i always thought were awesome these amc eagle if a truck was a car units - feel like the urban woodsman should get into it

http://grab.by/8XMW

But the menswear aesthetic of focusing on craft and history (if not real world function) is not without its merits compared to fashion as a whole.

'craft' has its merits - i mean im wearing edward green oxfords atm - but my point was more about how menswear almost needs to come pacakged w/ this kind of narrative in order for dudes to pay $$$$. the totemic qualities of 'craft' and 'quality' are p easily coopted imo & its a helpful & less self-deluding to admit that we dress for others n/h

My midwestern, woodworking, auto-repairing, LL Bean flannel and Carhartt-wearing dad has a Sprinter. Dodge logo package, because it cost extra for the Merc one and he just laughed.

feel like the 'well I'm never gonna have to replace this because it's SO WELL MADE' argument is often made just to justify having to pay a ridiculous amount for something you really wanted for other reasons - like, if you do the math, replacing it 10 times could be cheaper.

Seriously it's like you/they all want to be my dad. He has like EEE-wide feet, btw, but has never even for a second considered $400 custom work boots, I can promise you that. I can picture the face he would make right now if I even mentioned it.

lol did not know abt the dodge/benz premium pricing van scam, my god

you know what i always thought were awesome these amc eagle if a truck was a car units - feel like the urban woodsman should get into it

totes mcgotes. i wanted one of these so bad as a kid

it looks like a donk right out the box!

ok also if mercedes made their militaristic jeep in the shape of a car itd be so rad

http://grab.by/8XNv

feel like the 'well I'm never gonna have to replace this because it's SO WELL MADE' argument is often made just to justify having to pay a ridiculous amount for something you really wanted for other reasons - like, if you do the math, replacing it 10 times could be cheaper.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

otm. even though i can be a 'well-made' fetishist (p common among bike jerks) the simple fact is that cheap disposable jobs are likely cheaper. plus, the ppl that actually ~do the manly stuff~ that yr urban lumberjack just use whatever's close to hand. a friend of mine built his own house in rural NH and i can assure you that he wasn't using heirloom woodworking tools and wearing filson tincloth pants. it was cheap-end power tools and jeans and sneakers and tshirts all the way

xp driving those merc jeeps is sort of an experience, tbh. like the doors are just so fucking heavy and close with this solemn, teutonic "clunk". they're just so ~well-made~

Yeah, I think the Sprinters ship from the factory as Freightliner/Dodge Sprinter even though really everything about them is Mercedes-engineered. But to have all the places where there are logos changed costs some token amount, I don't remember the number. And by "token", I'm thinking it was like some thousands of dollars?

also fwiw the prep/lumberjack thing go pretty hand in hand, imo. i mean, the lumbery fashion ppl are pretty explicitly emulating an archetypical American Country Gentleman that is only rugged and handsome when he happens to be at the "cottage" in upstate NY or VT or ME or w/e. i have met these people. when they're in the city (or at the beach or w/e), they dress preppy. when they're antiquing in woodstock, vt, they're in flannel and $500 boots. they're not fashionable, they're just ~rich~. that's why these two currents are perennial styles, imo, ppl like to look expensive.

it'd be like if ppl in england started fetishizing what wealthy english "farmers" wore as they tramped around the property with a shotgun broken over their arm....oh wait

Yeah, I could find 13EE or 14EE boots that look like the LL Beans above. Or beige Timbs. But they look like crap and would cost about as much over six or seven years (I kill those kind of trail hikers in a year, easily). If I could still buy DM 1460s that fit comfortably, it would be great.

(one exception - LL Bean Katahdin Engineer Boots - ~$150, and I had a pair of them before the White's. But they're still expensive and much less comfortable)

I'm not saying they aren't a luxury or that I didn't buy them in part on looks (same reason I always loved Docs - they were suitable for all occasions). But their construction was also a legit selling point for me.

tl;dr -- both of these styles in their purest form just scream "old money" to me.

Well duh.

I'm not saying they aren't a luxury or that I didn't buy them in part on looks (same reason I always loved Docs - they were suitable for all occasions). But their construction was also a legit selling point for me.

yeah I think this is a fine way to put it...I just dislike when someone tries to argue that by buying expensive shit they're actually being very pragmatic people who are saving money. I mean there are probably some cases when this is true (when the $ margin between expensive and cheap isn't huge but the quality margin is) but it's realllly not a universal truth.

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

selling thrifted brooks bros makers ties @ $40 a pop (i have been considering this tbh)

Kind of disagree about what real-world people do. If you work construction for a living, you buy the best tools you can afford. Ridgid, for instance, costs more but they're robust and when we do manage to jack one up I've got a lifetime warranty from any Home Depot.

teak credenza

can I just

just figure out what the next in line value to be considered authentic is elmo

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

Style blog, duh.

I'd never heard of Filson before this thread and I don't know any of these boot manufacturers, really I am not up on what constitutes the trendy or super high-end parts of this trend at all.

xp to milo: I'm not meaning to hate on your style, but you didn't buy those boots to drip motor oil all over them. Yes, people whose lives or livelihoods depend on their clothing or equipment are going to buy the best they can reasonably afford but WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD IS STILL SEVERAL RUNGS DOWN from all these luxury woodsman goods.

maybe we just need to settle this with a credenza build-off

ugh i should just figure out how to make $$$ on the cult of authenticity, then i wouldn't sound like such a hater

just start a line repurposing mid 90s menswear - pleats volume prominent belts - i wld def be into it. u can call it 'Bohemian Softwear' itll be so rad

Laurel, I wear them every day to work. Which is construction. When I paint, I put on footies, but I do that with any shoe.
White's main demo is actual honest to God working people - primarily firefighters, loggers and western ranchers.

*forest firefighters.

Sorry, milo -- I meant to post that with more uncertainty, since actually I had no idea what you do for a living or a hobby or anything, but with emails coming in and other distractions, I just dashed off the post.

lol lamp i'm feeling this -- thinking broad camel blazers -- silk shirts -- oxblood monks -- autumnal palettes w/ cobalt accents -- kinda mizrahi

yeah I think this is a fine way to put it...I just dislike when someone tries to argue that by buying expensive shit they're actually being very pragmatic people who are saving money. I mean there are probably some cases when this is true (when the $ margin between expensive and cheap isn't huge but the quality margin is) but it's realllly not a universal truth.

― iatee, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:20 AM (37 minutes ago)

but replacing the object isn't just about the replacement cost - it's also the time spent replacing the object, deciding what to replace it with in case the design has changed. And it is also about being faced with failure -- the failure of the object to endure. Maybe the grief is very minor, like coping with the death of a $1 goldfish, but still - this thing you treasured is now dead, and it can be kinda sad. What do you do with its corpse?

good advice lamp 4 sure, luv it

just start a line repurposing mid 90s menswear - pleats volume prominent belts - i wld def be into it. u can call it 'Bohemian Softwear' itll be so rad

― Kabutt (Lamp), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:31 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

btw this is kind of a toronto vibe isnt it

Sarahel: clearly that's not it, because Real men don't grieve for their utilitarian objects.

sometimes they blame others for the untimely demise

so glad I don't live on the east coast

I thought Real Dudes were more likely to grieve over utilitarian items. Their high-school baseball glove, favorite fishing pole, etc.

it took one of my "Real Man" friends several years to stop blaming his ex-wife for the death of his AMC Pacer, and just accept the fact that things die, and that car wasn't particularly well-made.

xp Yes but in those cases they must do it secretly and/or sheepishly, a little emotional moment that they're allowing themselves but which they believe to be out of character for themselves and all other Real Men. If someone else were to, say, walk into the room while they were crooning over a broken ax handle or something, they would have to pretend to be looking at the flaw really closely and put it down right away.

it is a manly kind of grief

an informal moment of silence for the irreparably damaged Dewalt

Are we all returning to the artisanal qualities of our grandfathers' worlds because we hate our fathers and everything they've done to us?

um yea idk if a dude's dedication to his vehicle is comparable to how he feels abt his jeans or boots or w/e

true - it's a matter of degree - like the death of a dog vs. the death of a goldfish

ftr, my grandfather has had the same leather tool belt and nail pouch for as long as I've been alive. It has a bitching patina and I will appropriate it for myself when he dies.

The Pacer is the goldfish in this story and boots are the dog, right?

he loved that Pacer like a dog

an old, farty, kinda senile dog, but he loved it all the same

like the archetypal working outdoorsman this trend evokes -- his attitude towards clothes is functional, practical, and disdainful of fashion -- if he wears his boots out, or his shirt tears and the wife can't mend it, well he just reorders the same thing from the supply catalog

the problem arises when they change the design/manufacture of that thing -- and i think that's what this trend speaks to -- "they don't make it like they used to" syndrome

Haha I just wrote and deleted a couple of lines about how people who are actually FROM the North Country or whatever semi-fictional places this gear is supposed to be worn, those people are more likely to be found wearing local state university sweatshirts and probably a garish ski parka. Even at the most woodsman-ish end of the spectrum, LL Bean, maybe Woolrich are about the most "authentic" you're gonna find.

my dad actually is from the north country & I used to steal his old wool sweaters and jackets and plaid shirts back in the 90s. wish I still had some of them. but I've always liked tweeds and plaids for this reason - he was a really sharp dresser. college professor from lumberjack/mining country I guess. but I feel like it's OK if that's actually what you are? it's a shame that everyone looks so sloppy now.

And while yuppie loggers are an easy target for scorn, a little less that's disposable in our culture is a perfectly fine thing. Even if it all just gets shunted to thrift stores and flea markets, someone will use it. It's a variation on a look that's been seen as a good look pretty continuously since the '50s, from James Dean to Neil Young to Cobain, etc.

from a global economic pov distain for cheap/disposable dovetails nicely w/distain for the rise of the developing world - whats viewed as cheap by privileged people is almost always actually more efficient - making a big irl difference in many peoples lives - tho obvs environmental impact is the big unaccounted for variable

just to be clear im not accusing anyone of anything

okay milo except you're confusing 'workwear' with 'durable clothes' -- a well-made suit in sturdy wool will last for years, too -- quality bluchers can be polished & re-soled for a lifetime -- imho 'durability' is just coded ruggedness / masculinity wrt this trend

from a global economic pov distain for cheap/disposable dovetails nicely w/distain for the rise of the developing world - whats viewed as cheap by privileged people is almost always actually more efficient - making a big irl difference in many peoples lives - tho obvs environmental impact is the big unaccounted for variable

dovetails nicely sure, but the original arts and crafts movement occured more than 100 years ago and had nothing to do with the developing world - replace 'british people in factories' with 'chinese people in factories'. I don't think people who think this way have ever really cared about that side of the argument, so it's not disdain for the developing world in any sense except 'they don't care enough to think about the effects on the developing world'

cheap chinese crap *shakes head*

and while its a nice notion, it's ultimately kinda naive to think that our durable clothes will survive to inspire further generations of style -- just as likely it will get compacted into shipping containers and sent to the developing world to undermine local textile markets, or else dumped into landfills, or incinerated

like the archetypal working outdoorsman this trend evokes -- his attitude towards clothes is functional, practical, and disdainful of fashion -- if he wears his boots out, or his shirt tears and the wife can't mend it, well he just reorders the same thing from the supply catalog

fwiw this is an attitude I really appreciate. I have ordered many pairs of Dickies/jeans online. I am not disdainful of fashion, I am just lazy.

which is sorta what's dissonant about this whole trend---the whole thing about The Last ___ You'll Ever Need ("welp I've figured out my boot situation for the next decade") is totally at odds with the mutability of fashion and trends and w/e.

anyway I feel I should confess that my winter boots are 40+ yo leather Sorels that I will have repaired when they start to go. I love them.

I'm pretty specifically talking about durable workwear - suits seem kind of irrelevant since we haven't been talking about them. But even including suits, there's a lot of variations in 'well-made wool suits' that won't get worn today. '70s lapels, big-ass '80s shoulders, etc.

Workwear is a rather self-effacing aesthetic (inside of the margins) - that's the stuff that survives, becomes 'timeless' (like a simple gray wool suit) etc. And it's one reason, beyond the coding or whatever motives we want to assign to Real Dudes, that this stuff is seen as separate from 'fashion.'

You've got your Thom Brownes making suits look goofy and Brooklyn hipsters overdoing workwear, but the underlying elements never seem to die and when put together right appear fashionable.

I don't think people who think this way have ever really cared about that side of the argument, so it's not disdain for the developing world in any sense except 'they don't care enough to think about the effects on the developing world'

This reeks of 'people who are into local/organic/etc. agriculture don't care about billions of people who rely on GMO/pesticides/etc.'

We're all first-worlders who waste money (relative to the developing world) left and right, even when we're not even middle class for our society. Do beer drinkers and record collectors not care about the developing world either?

Demanding that everyone follow suit on your personal choices would be shitty, but it's also a strawman 99% of the time.

well i think to the extent that people think their sturdy/organic lyfestile is virtuous they are somewhat clueless and comically self involved, not villains or anything

Do beer drinkers and record collectors not care about the developing world either?

do you even have to ask???

but yeah ice cr?m otm

just liking the vibe and acknowledging its somewhat arbitrary stylistic concerns is imo a much more defensible pov imho

right milo, just saying that workwear doesn't have a monopoly on 'durability' or 'timelessness' -- v often these are just values we assign to clothes when we want to flatter ourselves as savvy consumers -- and there is a lot of workwear inspired clothes made now that will prob look awful & dated in a few years, so *shrug*

How is it not virtuous, though? If you can find and afford eggs from pasture-raised chickens is that not better for the environment and the chickens vs. factory farming? Is it not better to get tomatoes that grow in your local climate from a farmer's market rather than ones trucked in from across the country?

Comparing Americans to the developing world on this stuff is pretty ridic, IMO. We are making choices from a different set of options.

We're all first-worlders who waste money (relative to the developing world) left and right, even when we're not even middle class for our society. Do beer drinkers and record collectors not care about the developing world either?

Demanding that everyone follow suit on your personal choices would be shitty, but it's also a strawman 99% of the time.

I mean, I'm not doing this ^^^ (this time) but it's hard to argue with the fact that 99.99% of us are all incredibly wasteful every single day and don't really give a shit enough to seriously change our behavior. and the fact that we all are isn't an excuse for us being!

Too much assigning of motives on this thread, IMO, bordering on strawmen. Real Dudes drive like this, organic consumers eat like that, so-and-so want to feel like savvy consumers.

and there is a lot of workwear inspired clothes made now that will prob look awful & dated in a few years, so *shrug*

This reminds me, wasn't there a ridic expensive flannel linked upthread that is just like a hundred others except slightly differently styled/colored to be both reminiscent of yore and also have just that right-now touch? Yeah, THAT subtle distinction is precisely what will date it eventually.

I don't think that it's that being a locavore/consumer of "quality" goods is or is not virtuous, it's that it's no more virtuous than say calling yr mom now and then

there's nothing wrong with buying durable, well-made clothes and wearing the hell out of them; just don't try to convince me that 90% of the ppl on this bandwagon will still be dressed like this in 5 years

its not virtuous, its a hobby

Too much assigning of motives on this thread, IMO, bordering on strawmen. Real Dudes drive like this, organic consumers eat like that, so-and-so want to feel like savvy consumers.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:23 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah w/e ill believe this when friends stop hyperventilating abt plastic shopping bag

btw i flatter myself as a consumer every time i go thrift shopping so it's not like i'm judging anybody

Virtuous doesn't mean saving the world with every purchase. But if you're in a position to buy food with less environmental impact, or objects made by people receiving a decent wage and you choose to do so, then I'd say you've done something that is basically good for society.

yeah but that 'good for society' evaporates as soon as you drive 2 miles (etc.) - I mean it's good to do things that aren't objectively bad for the world, but you gotta put them in perspective

perspective being 'basically everything you do every day is really, really bad for the world'

calling yr congressman once is better than buying ten pounds of organic produce

Who's not putting them in perspective, though? Outside of Alice Waters (who is crazy IMO) I've never really heard anyone say you're a bad person for not being a locavore. Certainly never heard it re: clothes.

(and how does a completely separate act negate positives? Do people not drive to buy winter grapes from Chile and sweatshop Nikes?)

I've never really heard anyone say you're a bad person for not being a locavore.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:41 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

srsly

perspective being 'basically everything you do every day is really, really bad for the world'

My Congressman is Joe Barton btw, calling him would be infinitely less productive than eating a single organic grape.

this thread is about scoffing @ style bloggers ppl, come on

it'd be like if ppl in england started fetishizing what wealthy english "farmers" wore as they tramped around the property with a shotgun broken over their arm....oh wait

but afaict in britain what we got of this trend is burning out really fast, and will be gone again in a year. entry level alts buying h&m/top man versions of barbour jackets. true hipsters seem to have moved one to a c.1980 home counties punk thing, doc martens, donkey jackets, cheap wool sweaters, etc.

for me one of the weirdest things about the 2010/11 version of this style is that, at least insofar as i experience it via blogs and occasional visits to austin/la/ny, it so reveres english manufacturing. this is not something i have ever heard advanced here.

(actually the weirdest thing is those blog posts articles by people who have convinced themselves that there is a street off oxford street where people discovered the secret of shaving in 1790.)

anyway my point is not to lol at americans but to point out that the preppy/lumberjack looks are not ambient vibes that will never go away. and yes they are played out. there i said it. boom.

anyway wrt to styles being "overplayed": the reason prep/lumberjack can even be ~over~ played is because they're background styles in american couture pretty much since rich ppl and the frontier were invented. they'll subside in time and ranchers and yacht owners will still do what they do.

xp!

(actually the weirdest thing is those blog posts articles by people who have convinced themselves that there is a street off oxford street where people discovered the secret of shaving in 1790.)

yeah, this, for real. shaving being a "thing" is almost certainly overplayed, and i'm glad i don't know many ppl that go into raptures about their boar hair shaving brush and whatever

obvs weve gotten a lil far afield and im not trying to totally impeach anyones motivation, i just want to impeach it a little - i def think there is a desire to embue what are essentially stylistic choices w/greater meaning - this prob has something to do w/people viewing themselves as powerless consumers ~modern lyfe~ etc

basically otm

~fashion~

Maybe I'm easier going on this because I don't seem to know anyone who's annoyingly obsessive about any of it. IRL I know a couple of people who wear flannel shirts, in e-life I 'know' people who are interested in how leather ages so they like, took up belt and wallet-making as a hobby. Prep never much of a thing here, few Texans would willingly emulate fratboys from the southern East Coast.

I also don't read style blogs.

thought dubya was still kinda popular?

Have people ever not imbued their (fashion) choices with greater meaning?

But yeah, feeling like you had a personal hand in creation via consumption is a selling point for some stuff. Everyone wants to curate their life, etc.

Dubus emulates Texas workwear on his ranch.

fratboys from the southern East Coast

this is not prep btw

haha for real. i went to school w/some serious blue bloody preps and they def were not wearing baggie khaki shorts, flip flops, and raggedy white ball caps

there are def preppy frats out there, not the majority, but they exist

there is amongst more than a few of my friends a certainty that quality is meaningful - not that they dont have logical arguments but fundamentally they believe this in a sort of mystical way - i somewhat vibe to that but i think theres a lot of gross materialism and unexamined resentment toward how the world works there too

i blame zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance

come to newport in june & i'll show u mad prep

haha for real. i went to school w/some serious blue bloody preps and they def were not wearing baggie khaki shorts, flip flops, and raggedy white ball caps

― ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is what they dressed like when i was in hs, tho actually flip flops hadnt hit yet, old boat shoes more like

jerry bear lacrosse tees

like the archetypal working outdoorsman this trend evokes -- his attitude towards clothes is functional, practical, and disdainful of fashion -- if he wears his boots out, or his shirt tears and the wife can't mend it, well he just reorders the same thing from the supply catalog

Yeah, this. You probably all hate my dad by now but he has re-ordered the exact same pair of ugly as ASS glasses frames every two years for my entire life. There's no affectation -- he 100% can't be bothered.

Anyway, thread is proving Lamp, elmo, and jho were correct from the beginning. And Hurting, too, now that I look back. And the whole thing about clothing having or needing a narrative goes back at least as far as J Peterman, who did it first and best, imo, and sold exactly these kinds of overpriced artisinal wares.

"co-ed naked" tees amirite icey

o jesus

some preps dressed that way (abercrombie and fitch y'all), but the ppl that had like buildings named after them at ivy league univs and shit were a little more formal

also fwiw popped-collar preppy was definitely a trend on campus like for real ten years ago. lotta frat dudes semi-ironically wore 2+ polos in contrasting colors and shit. there was a jokey article in the newspaper about the maximum number of collars one could pop, with like a dude wearing five polos

ok the other uk/us difference i want to note is that the u.s. preppy hipster look seems to be emulating real young rich people. maybe part of the reason young people haven't taken to that so much here is that young rich people here do not dress like that. if you're dressing like here that you're dressing like people who died of cirrhosis while thatcher was PM. young rich people here do the too posh to wash thing.

"co-ed naked" tees amirite icey

― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

guys all the hicks in my rural MNan high school wore those too.

see also Big Johnson shirts

Yeah but frat-boy prep isn't real prep, it's some Jersey Shore-level BS I always thought...?

theres venn diagram there for sure

Was just peaking in here to marvel at the fact that this conversation is still going. You all have a lot to say about this, huh?

While doing so I saw this: And the whole thing about clothing having or needing a narrative goes back at least as far as J Peterman, who did it first and best, imo, and sold exactly these kinds of overpriced artisinal wares. My parents got the catalog when I was little and I used to read it cover to cover. I thought it was the greatest thing. Also, someone once told me that the guy who played Peterman on Seinfeld was actually J Peterman and for the longest time I totally believed them.

peaking? peeking. ugh.

'Real' prep is indebted to old money southern gentleman just as it is the Kennedys.

We didn't get the Peterman catalog because lol rural midwest, but I saw the catalog once or twice like at someone's house in another state or on vacation or w/e and I would read it cover to cover, every single item descrip. For someone whose only escape from small-town reality was ALREADY reading fiction for as much of her waking time as humanly possible, that catalog was just as fictional and just as aspirational as any fantasy novel.

if you wanted to distill real prep down to one fundamental garment itd be khaki pants

The Kennedys?? I never thought of them as defining prep, rather I would have thought they were furiously busy emulating it as closely as possible. Unless you just mean the whole Eastern Seaboard old moneyed thing.

'Real' prep is indebted to old money southern gentleman just as it is the Kennedys.

maybe this is just my new england parochialism but -- no, i really don't think it is

yeah kennedys arent old money - joe was a self made man etc - not that they werent style icons

Jackie made them style icons after the fact, I rather think.

The stylistic differences between coastal, moneyed dudes in MA, VA and GA in the '60s (and the current prep revival piece is mostly idolizing Take Ivy from the mid-60s) are pretty small.

a friend of mines family is one of those depleted old money new england clans - like they have this amazing old estate but not particularly the cash to go with it - they made their money from rope, ROPE like for sailing vessels, strange world

yall get that real prep is an oxymoron right

http://grab.by/8Y5T

eh its an actual culture, i wouldnt expect someone from NEW JERSEY to understand that

oh right i forgot about all the ivy league schools in the south

wait no i didn't

there are prep schools in nj

In the U.S. region of New England, the term is not necessarily pejorative or even related to class, as "preppy" clothing is relatively normative.

this thread is lol

eh its an actual culture, i wouldnt expect someone from NEW JERSEY to understand that

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:23 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dogg how many of your ancestors came over on the mayflower

all of them max, all of them

btw say hi to snookie

i wouldnt expect someone from NEW JERSEY to understand that

keep reading this in armisen's david paterson voice

right i'm not really talking about the preppy style re: the 80s handbook -- more like old coastal WASP heritage & the cottage on shelter island that goes with it

old coastal WASP heritage & the cottage on shelter island that goes with it versus lumberjack

btw say hi to snookie

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:28 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

shes from new york i tell you--new york

you know -- where they wear boat shoes on boats xp

think my style is more 'grizzled prospector' then 'lumberjack' at this point

btw at this point theres literally millions of people w/mayflower ancestry, tho i will take yr knowledge and proffering of said relationship as evidence of legit wasp culture, i myself am from california and just grew up w/these weirdos

<3 shelter island

you're from california?

MAYFLOWER ON BOTH SIDES JOE

ON BOTH SIDES

90% of the annoying ppl at the jersey shore are new yorkers who have drifted down the coast like garbage from fresh kills

there are a lot from RI too!

come to newport in june & i'll show u mad prep
--tangelo amour (elmo argonaut)

Newport is amazing. Annapolis MD super preppy as well. Elmo have you seen the prep blog by a lady from RI named Muffy? I enjoy it

also sorry for xposts, wish I could keep up but am at work reading off my phone

What max is saying is that his family tree looks more like a one-masted frigate.

n/a otm

feel like you guys arent taking my ancestry seriously enuf

I AM DESCENDED FROM THE FIRST WHITE WOMAN BORN IN NORTH AMERICA

THE FIRST

WHITE

WOMAN

bullshit

90% of the annoying ppl at the jersey shore are new yorkers who have drifted down the coast like garbage from fresh kills

― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there are a lot from RI too!

― max, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ive been to new jersey u guys cant trick me!

xpost - wait - I actually believe you for some reason

you're from california?

― ENBB, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yep both parents too, moved to vt when i was four, boston at 8

I feel like max zinged me but I can't be sure

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2021006 <<< tens of millions of mayflower descendants

ON BOTH SIDES

not good enough do you have any declaration of independence signees

no but i have the first chief justice of the supreme court

okay thats dece, i have a guy who lol refused to sign the constitution

or maybe the declaration i cant remember

i guess we can be friends

*secret wasp handshake*

I'm related to Daniel Boone. That qualifies me to wear all the lumberjack/frontiersman bullshit I want, right?

I think it kind of does.

I have the first president of the Republic of Texas, what can I buy with that?

xp oh milo, we're in the same corner I'm pretty sure.

free bbq

I am related to Johnny Appleseed, which is why I can pull off wearing a saucepan on my head.

man you guys have cool relatives

johnny appleseed is one of my all time fav celebrities

It's not really true –– my dad found some dude in our genealogy (lol Mormons) named John Chapman so he always bragged to us we were Appleseedlings or whatevs BUT it turned out this John Chapman was born in the 1800s. Wrong guy. I was a gullible kid. My dad told me my mom was an alien and I think I believed this until age 12 or so. -_-

haha

Another relative. Not terribly cool, but he did look like he could play a surprise set with Will Oldham.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._P._Hill

I think I'm maxed out at one Mayflower + Sam Houston. There's probably some DAR/UDC in there too but no one can be bothered, honestly.

according to family legend i am descended from a gaulish bastard sired by a roman soldier

that's all i got

a lot of the classic preppy brands have a slightly different cultural subtext in the uk.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/87/263774147_3fc533b2d4.jpg

That photo is like one of those Archie panels where they have a check's head as the foreground for no reason.

check = chick

Elmo have you seen the prep blog by a lady from RI named Muffy? I enjoy it

haha i love this lady bcuz she reminds me so much of my grandmother right down to nagging local merchants to carry w/e yuppie grain is saving yr lyfe right now but some of her 'true prep' aesthetic falls short imo

i went to prep school, in new hampshire, fyi

ex?

just looked up that blog and it's pretty on point -- at least as far as my experience with island-bound preppy matriarchs

no but i have the first chief justice of the supreme court

― max, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:49 PM (2 hours ago)

Martha Washington - but we're Californians and don't really give a shit

this thread is about the muffy blog, isn't it?

Another relative. Not terribly cool, but he did look like he could play a surprise set with Will Oldham.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._P._Hill

wow - obvs there's a ton of stuff in virginia named after confederate generals but it's kind of amazing to me that a current US Army installation is named after one (fort ap hill).

afaik i have no family here going back any earlier than the late 19th century - scandinavian/eastern european immigrants.

Yeah, me neither. I'm 1st generation on my dad's side and my mom's grandparents were from Yugoslavia.

Muffy is ridic.

I don't think any of the strains of my family tree (which are pretty disparate - one grandfather was half-Choctaw, one grandmother was born in Saskatchewan and adopted by first-generation immigrant Russian Mennonites, etc.) got to North America after the turn of the 19th century. Too bad none of them managed to make any money in all that time.

I guess some distant Powells in Virginia with a lot of land, but my great-grandfather lost most of his farm during the Depression.

why can't someone make a coat like this fitted for women. the color + the buttons are perfect

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lglcjplB6p1qbvshe.jpg

I AM DESCENDED FROM THE FIRST WHITE WOMAN BORN IN NORTH AMERICA

THE FIRST

WHITE

WOMAN

― max, Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:38 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wow @ what i've been missing in this thread

you smart people have def clarified some things about lumberjack style to me but i have to say it is p dreamy

im a descendant of William Jennings Bryan and Ambrose Burnside ._.

xp - is there a good example of a movie in which Mark Ruffalo sports said style?

We Don't Live Here Anymore maybe? Or is that all rumpled adulterous professor style?

its a mix - dude def sports plaid workshirts & three days growth but theres lots of lambs wool sweaters & sloppy cords too

its p incredible really

lambs wool sweaters and cords dont fall under the lumberjack umbrella??

from a blurb about a leather carry-all on a product blog:

"It’s not cheap, but we’re sure you know the drill about investments by now."

yeah -- you know the drill

jesus

"investments"

dunno why you guys are second guessing these dudes intentions ya'll just made they stylin on u

wait Primark is called Penny's in Ireland? I was not aware. I sort of love Primark for cheap accessories and tank tops. I am not ashamed. OK, maybe only a little.

― ENBB, Monday, February 14, 2011 11:19 PM (2 days ago)

yeah primark is irish, they couldnt call it in the uk bc of jc penney r smthng, similar deal to the bulmers/magners thing.

p sure all my ancestors are from approx 50mi radius of where i was born until at least the time of the celts.

also are daria and daria-g the seam poster or

no daria is quinn morgendorfers cousin or something

also last time I checked plymouth rock is in massachusetts... no idea how people itt from new jersey and new york are claiming their ancestors were on the mayflower... http://100ffc.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-question.gif

haha i will freely admit that i am frequently styled upon but i just find it gross when luxury goods are marketed as investments -- you can justify pricing based on costs and labor and profit margins and marketing and creating an aura of exclusivity, all that seems far more honest and respectable than saying that it's an investment. some franklin mint shit right there imo.

Plax - yeah, I think I knew but just forgot that Primark was Irish.

also last time I checked plymouth rock is in massachusetts... no idea how people itt from new jersey and new york are claiming their ancestors were on the mayflower...

― dayo, Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:13 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

good question ^^^

also are daria and daria-g the seam poster or

yep, one of them is from the time i was on travel and forgot my login and only had my phone, so i just kept it logged in with that one instead

getting tired of gingham tbh

overplaid style

^may not quite work for yankees

re: narrative in menswear

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/fashion/23CRITIC.html

just

in a room with a stuffed fox and a stale style
i stand, for this memorial's sake, alone

you know what else needs to gtfo

the urban gnome style (which is like horrible emo/lumberjack hybrid)

all floppy knit cap worn in the coronal plane, beard, flannel, and skinny stretch jeans that taper into slipper sneaks

elves on holiday to the city

this thread makes me uncomfortably calculate how many ppl roll their eyes at my outfit on a daily basis

can i just:

slacks with a button-up shirt, a tasteful tie, and loafers?

fuck you

lols ahoy @ 'urban gnome style'
easy to mix up with 'homeless guy style' imo

shaved my beard partially due to this thread. feel way cooler now tbh

Lazy beanies are the fucking worst

Look that hasn't been played enough: older black man style with matching suit, hat and alligator skin shoes (preferably in a garish color like purple or mustard)

that look just says "south side of chicago" to me

EXACTLY.

Judging by NYT Style coverboy Tim Lincecum, the stoner naif look is cresting:

http://sfist.com/2011/03/11/behold_tim_lincecums_new_york_times.php#

"adorable"????

Wo. That's a nice smile and everything, but taken feature by feature, more than a little bit grotesque. Deffo not adorable. Style completely aside. Whoah.

elsewhere on this board, he has been called the Pee Wee Herman of baseball:

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Tim-Lincecum-bow-tie-game-face.jpg

Is Wes Anderson his style icon?

good comp

waxed cotton jackets. they're nice, i have one, but seriously, can i find a jacket out there right now that's not?

oh i just saw this beeswaxed cotton jacket today. its awesome, but err, like $1400 at barneys... oh, but 'only' $900 on tresbien shop...

http://www.selectism.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/nigel-cabourn-parka-1.jpg

this one too:
http://cdn2.tresbienshop.net/media/catalog/product/cache/4/thumbnail/375x564/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_25688.jpg

maybe a bit too niche-oriented to be overplayed but with spring coming i am seeing this everywhere -- reversible bow ties: why? is a bowtie just not quirky enough for you? does it have to be made of two contrasting fabrics?

i feel the same about neckties with contrasting back blades. is it totally snotty of me to say it just looks gimmicky and downmarket? it's v tommy hilfiger and nagl imo.

fucking "lumberjack"

it's a PLAID SHIRT. to be a lumberjack you'd need to use like, fuckin, a log as your main mode of transport or something

a plaid shirt does not a lumberjack make, no. but add a beard, work boots, a chore jacket, and a watch cap and behold: you are still not a lumberjack.

elsewhere on this board, he has been called the Pee Wee Herman of baseball:

"I didn't bring an orange bow tie to Texas for fear it might jinx us," he says. Neukom's wife, Sally, bought one after the Giants won Game 4 and he wore it for the trophy presentation the next night. When he ran into pitcher Tim Lincecum later in the locker room, the team's principal owner -- who has four grown children of his own from an earlier marriage -- felt the tie in his jacket pocket and handed it to his star player.

Lincecum, whose long hair is in keeping with a "hippie" upbringing, asked Neukom earlier in the season to teach him how to tie a bow tie. Now the two-time National League Cy Young Award winner became a little boy again, examining the bow tie with wonder. "He looked at it and said, 'Is that for me?' " Neukom remembers. "That was a sweet moment."

Neukom is known for his bow ties. IIrc, Timmy was wearing a bowtie in honor of Neukom's b-day.

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/10/07/sp-ratto08_ph1_0499261918.jpg

but add a beard, work boots, a chore jacket, and a watch cap and behold: you are still not a lumberjack.

haha i can't believe people do this

I even own a Carhartt chore jacket but I had to google to figure what the term meant - I have never heard it.

I could see a normal person doing all of those except the beard, if they were working in the yard on a cold day or whatever. The beard is what takes that over-the-top and into "you had better be a professional waterman or something" territory.

oh sure, they are all practical clothes for getting hard work done. but the original post is about the lumberjack look as urban street style, which is just silly.

Yeah, probably wouldn't mess with omre than two of those at a time then.

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i'll be honest. i have worn all of them at the same time (i hardly ever wear watchcaps though), but there's a matter of costume that makes this go from stylish to corny. like compare these two pix.

imo, stylish
http://static3.slamxhype.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/pointer-jacket-3.jpg

in everyone's opinion, i'm sure, hella stoops
http://images.nymag.com/guides/everything/urbanwoodsman/woodsman100208_560.jpg

If you know what a "chore jacket" is, you don't rly need one.

Otherwise you'd just call it "my jacket."

Possibly "my work coat."

ya. i had to look up what a chore jacket was and i got tons of workwear brands

i rock "urban lumberjack" ish all the time & i think i look p cute, but i agree its basically overplayed

oh ha! i just took a picture of the last guy in that collage, a few days ago on spring street. same cardigan and boots, without the hat...

Is that a carabiner in his belt loop?!

lol mw, please don't tell me you're surprised?

haha

All the rage w people who want you to know that they used to be bike messengers, before it was lame.

This reminds me of a story my dad told me about visiting NYC in '76. Being a hippyish ranger from Yosemite, he mostly wore jeans, woolen shirts and boots just like a certain segment of the gay population of Manhattan. He was really suprised that there were so many really friendly New Yorkers, given their reputation as surly, until my aunt, who was living there at the time, pointed out they were gay. Then my dad noticed that their boots were all impeccable and some of them ironed (?!) their jeans.

xpost speaking of overplayed style: bike messenger chic

when was it ever not lame?

like this, sheesh

http://blogs.reuters.com/oddly-enough/files/2009/06/bike-messenger-280.jpg

haha. i see the first guy on this page around town all the time

http://www.fixedgearbikesarefuckinggay.com/fixie.html

btw I am wearing black double knee carhartts and a flannel right this very second

fuiud

yes but you live in minnesota, not brooklyn

i was also wearing these
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3840570672_11f4507a1f.jpg

not cool

to the tumblr & blog dudes who post photos of their outfits laid out on the floor: ugh stop why

to the guys who include their FUCKING FIREARMS in these photos: good lord wtf is wrong with u

enough with the italian tailoring already

i mean it must be p cool to be a wealthy neapolitan and the clothes sure are nice but tbh i'll be glad once the menswear set finds a new obsession, kinda sick of looking at one billion blue blazers every day

camouflage, i guess? i don't hate it and i like that designers are looking to prints and patterns but tbh it's getting to be pretty worn down as far as masculine signifiers go

don't forget the whole camouflage-with-gold-embroidered-patterns-on-it thing