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2016 AL Wild Card: Baltimore Orioles vs.Toronto Blue Jays

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October 4th at 8 ET on TBS.

Poll Results

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Blue Jays 15
Orioles 5


― Bee OK, Monday, 3 October 2016 01:50 (ten years ago)

going for the Blue Jays here.

― Bee OK, Monday, 3 October 2016 01:51 (ten years ago)

Go Jays.

― Andy K, Monday, 3 October 2016 02:18 (ten years ago)

Rooting O's, think Jays will probably win. Machado has been ice cold lately.

― Immediate Follower (NA), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:37 (ten years ago)

I know AL baseball even less than usual this year.

― earlnash, Monday, 3 October 2016 03:14 (ten years ago)

Not sure if I'm confident or not. First wild card game ever for the Jays--if I'm counting right, one of the last seven teams who've never played one.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 03:41 (ten years ago)

Reddit is calling it "bird bowl".
I like it.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 03:42 (ten years ago)

c'mon O's. My team as a kid when I lived in Maryland, then my family moved to Seattle, so I've doubled the futility.

― JoeStork, Monday, 3 October 2016 03:45 (ten years ago)

Tillman starts I guess?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 October 2016 03:45 (ten years ago)

Stroman's scheduled for the Jays, but maybe it's more like Stroman/Liriano/Estrada as one starter for the first seven innings.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 03:57 (ten years ago)

that's a nutty fun fact. the O's are the first AL team to play in a second WC game.

― qualx, Monday, 3 October 2016 04:00 (ten years ago)

The Yankees and Red Sox have 12 between them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_League_Wild_Card_winners

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 04:07 (ten years ago)

I see what you mean--I goofed.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 04:08 (ten years ago)

Which also invalidates what I said above...what I meant was that the Jays are one of the last seven A.L. teams to go into the playoffs as a wild card team.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 04:10 (ten years ago)

I wanna beat down the Rangers in the playoffs so bad.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 3 October 2016 06:10 (ten years ago)

Don't know how accurate these stats are (or whether they're career or just this season), but according to the Fan this morning, the guy whose turn it is, Stroman, gets belted by the Orioles--ERA over 8.00. Off the guy who'd be on short rest, Estrada, Baltimore's hitting .177. And Liriano (who'd have an extra day of rest) was great against them last week, but overall the Orioles are hitting over .300 against him.

Have a feeling they'll go with Estrada and bring in one of the other two the first time Baltimore clogs up the bases.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 11:52 (ten years ago)

I'd expect Estrada.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 13:50 (ten years ago)

Tillman on the hill for Baltimore

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 October 2016 19:43 (ten years ago)

i guess Estrada is a no-go on three days rest... so either Liriano or Stroman.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 19:46 (ten years ago)

it's stroman

― mookieproof, Monday, 3 October 2016 19:48 (ten years ago)

fuck. i like Stro – don't get me wrong. but... fuck.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:14 (ten years ago)

The offense had better show up tomorrow.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 3 October 2016 20:18 (ten years ago)

kinda rooting for a 17-inning, 14-13 game won by a position player pitching

― mookieproof, Monday, 3 October 2016 20:21 (ten years ago)

It could be Chris Davis's second extra-inning win!

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:21 (ten years ago)

kinda hard not to root for a Tex-Tor rematch given last year's insanity

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:25 (ten years ago)

would love a Chris Davis / Ryan Goins pitching match-up!

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 20:42 (ten years ago)

https://twitter.com/bychrisblack/status/782974191888920576
Key Orioles Career vs Stroman:
Trumbo 5-11 (.455)
Kim 3-7 (.429)
Jones 6-15 (.400)
Wieters 5-14 (.357), 2 HR
Davis 4-13 (.308)

º~º

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 21:15 (ten years ago)

i may join the voices calling for Gibby's head if we lose this one.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2016 21:15 (ten years ago)

Not crazy about this decision--irrational loyalty has gotten a lot of managers into a lot of trouble.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 21:24 (ten years ago)

These are all small sample sizes you guys. If we lose it'll be because Stroman hasn't been consistent all season against anyone. Estrada in the second half has been unpredictable too, and on short rest I like his chances even less. It'll be all hands on deck and I expect two or three starting pitchers to be in the game before handing it off to whatever passes for a bullpen.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 3 October 2016 21:32 (ten years ago)

That's how I'm trying to think of it too--that whoever starts, he probably won't be left in long enough to fall more than a couple of runs behind anyway.

― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2016 21:35 (ten years ago)

Guys guys guys, don't you know Stroman is a big game performer?

― Van Horn Street, Monday, 3 October 2016 22:09 (ten years ago)

To be fair to Stroman, he has been a better pitcher than Tillman and he plays at home. I'd be more concerned with the bullpen, heck I'm rooting for the Jays for this game, I am more concerned with the bullpen.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, 3 October 2016 22:12 (ten years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 00:01 (ten years ago)

Much ridicule on the radio this morning (from the awful Dean Blundell, so take it for what it's worth) over the idea that everyone was consulted on the Stroman start, including "the analytics guys." If true, you have to wonder what numbers they were looking at (or, more likely, if they lost the argument).

― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 12:30 (ten years ago)

Stroman is a ground ball pitcher pitching in front of a good defense vs a home run hitting team that can't run? It's not rocket science.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:49 (ten years ago)

ya, i concede there are good arguments for both. still would prefer Liriano on account of how lousy the O's are against lefties. but he'd be super valuable out of the pen as well instead of having to endure Loup/Cecil.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 15:48 (ten years ago)

(xpost) In theory, maybe, but they sure did belt him around this year...Anyway, the decision's made, and Liriano in long relief is a plus. Stroman's ability to get the crowd going could help too if he pitches even moderately well.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 16:38 (ten years ago)

Gleeman handicaps the game (i think all BP articles are free this week?)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=30502

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 16:47 (ten years ago)

Everybody seems to think Toronto has the advantage in this game, and maybe they're right, but as an Orioles fan I have a good feeling about this game. I'd rather face the Blue Jays than the Tigers (though I might rather have faced the Tigers at home than the Blue Jays in Canada.)

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 20:48 (ten years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:01 (ten years ago)

Never realized how big Matt Sisters is playing catcher. He is huge.

― earlnash, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:27 (ten years ago)

Spellcheck from Wieters...

― earlnash, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:28 (ten years ago)

Bautista's a free agent at the end of the year! Gotta show up in the playoffs.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:34 (ten years ago)

kinda rooting for a 17-inning, 14-13 game won by a position player pitching

― mookieproof, Monday, October 3, 2016 4:21 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh don't even with the "kinda" you're rooting for this with every fiber of yr being

(it would be kinda amusing tbh)

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:35 (ten years ago)

stroman looks p solid thus far

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:44 (ten years ago)

holy crap i hate this ump

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:45 (ten years ago)

I was just going to say: he's been consistent, but he sure is giving both pitchers a couple of inches on the low outside corner.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:52 (ten years ago)

oh i'm not talking about his zone, just the sounds he makes

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:54 (ten years ago)

i swear i never hear Ron Darling bring up this 'shutdown inning' crap on Mets games

and Ripken, what it means is Torre shoulda used Rivera the same way in big regular season games too

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 00:56 (ten years ago)

tfw you step away and come back to see manny hitting a HR but it's just goddamn midseason footage and he's not even at-bat

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:01 (ten years ago)

really isn't enough talk about the chances of the benches clearing tonight

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:02 (ten years ago)

oof laser

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:03 (ten years ago)

great catch by Pillar.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:05 (ten years ago)

TBS convinced we need to see homers replayed from the worst seat in the house

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:06 (ten years ago)

should have voted orange and black :-)

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:13 (ten years ago)

so you agree with Seinfeld that it's just "rooting for laundry"

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:14 (ten years ago)

this ump does sound like an ump from a video game announcing balls and strikes

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:15 (ten years ago)

Still not used to those rec league-looking O's hats.

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:16 (ten years ago)

four innings in just 70 minutes WTF?

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:17 (ten years ago)

Stroman is working quickly, and Jays are swinging at everything tonight.

Dangerous inning coming up. This is where Gibbons tries to squeeze too much out of Stroman and the game gets out of hand.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:18 (ten years ago)

Trading him certainly made sense at the time, but if the Mariners could have gotten more for Trumbo than a racist dipshit...

― JoeStork, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:23 (ten years ago)

next inning, Cal will list managers who like making outs on the bases.

is this on goddamn ESPN Radio?

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:26 (ten years ago)

he should of had that one.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:34 (ten years ago)

lol at not scoring too

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:35 (ten years ago)

yep yep

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:35 (ten years ago)

Tillman finally pitching the way i expected him to when i picked him for the negative fantasy team

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:38 (ten years ago)

Good omen. Jays have done nothing but leave those runners on second and third the past month.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:38 (ten years ago)

tie game, turning into a good game.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:40 (ten years ago)

that double play, jesus.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:41 (ten years ago)

For about the fourth time on this thread, I must now tell myself to shut the fuck up.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:41 (ten years ago)

wasn't really expecting tillman to get pulled there

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:41 (ten years ago)

that too-hard-hit tying single might've been the omen

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:42 (ten years ago)

disappointed buck left tillman in that long, pleasantly surprised he pulled him that soon

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:42 (ten years ago)

Fuck that DP. Worst possible time. Now it's a battle of bullpens in a tie game, and every Jay will try to be a hero and hit a home run rather than try to get on base. Big advantage to Baltimore.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:43 (ten years ago)

STROMAN going through the order for a third time WTF????

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:44 (ten years ago)

doing fine so far

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:48 (ten years ago)

@jonahkeri
Orioles pitching givens, Orioles pitching takens away

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:51 (ten years ago)

tried to make a similar play on words but not as good as my compatriot.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:52 (ten years ago)

I'm still in shock that they left Stroman in to face Trumbo with a man on.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:53 (ten years ago)

If anyone can fill me in on one reason to feel good about this situation, please speak up.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:58 (ten years ago)

Glad to know tbs will play some march madness games.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 01:58 (ten years ago)

that was the fastest wieters has ever run

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:01 (ten years ago)

‏@JeffPassan

Jonathan Schoop career:

vs. RHP: .247/.274/.455
vs. LHP: .216/.260/.294

Jays just took out a LHP for RHP to face Schoop with LHH on deck.

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:04 (ten years ago)

i mean those numbers still suck

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:06 (ten years ago)

gj martin

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:06 (ten years ago)

That's way down on the list of questionable Jays decisions tonight.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:10 (ten years ago)

How in the world does a converted shortstop look like peak Dennis Eckersley out there?

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:12 (ten years ago)

the issue was that he was drafted as a shortstop and shouldn't have been, i remember that being a real shock at the time

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:14 (ten years ago)

he is also garbage against lefties. i have no idea how he was able to get 6 straight righties

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:15 (ten years ago)

Ah, Blue Jays fans.

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:18 (ten years ago)

an unfortunate reminder of assholes in stadia everywhere

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:18 (ten years ago)

bout 2 get lit in rogers centre

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:19 (ten years ago)

do they have a mandate to destroy canadian stereotypes of niceness or something?

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:19 (ten years ago)

Single most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in a Jays game. Sorry, world.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:19 (ten years ago)

maybe that's the same fan who did the same exact thing to nate mcclouth a few years back

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:19 (ten years ago)

i hate buck showalter and i also hate jays fans so i'm basically at a loss here.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:22 (ten years ago)

Stupid thing to do obviously but TBS' indignation is a bit much considering that Jeffrey Maier is a treasured part of baseball "lore".

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:23 (ten years ago)

lol same xp

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:23 (ten years ago)

i think ive only seen a game in that place with NTBT, who is a prince of decorum of course

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:23 (ten years ago)

i do like adam jones tho i fully support him if he decides to declare war on canada

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:24 (ten years ago)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2672159/McLouth-drink.gif

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:24 (ten years ago)

mookieproof on his way to have his wish.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:24 (ten years ago)

Stupid thing to do obviously but TBS' indignation is a bit much considering that Jeffrey Maier is a treasured part of baseball "lore".

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:23 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude jeffrey maier was 12! and throwing full beers at ppl is actually dangerous!

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:25 (ten years ago)

ugh adam's in excitable mode

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:26 (ten years ago)

yeah the brat at least didnt launch a projectile

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:26 (ten years ago)

could literally roll the ball to him and he'll swing at it

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:26 (ten years ago)

down 3 - 0 and got out of it.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:28 (ten years ago)

Can't see a parallel between Maier and what that guy did--even if Maier had been an adult, it still wouldn't been as reckless.

At the risk of ensuring he goes all Bill Buckner in the 9th, I will tentatively say that Edwin's been outstanding at first tonight.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:30 (ten years ago)

I'm glad you guys see the silver lining in the worst umpiring call in baseball history.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:30 (ten years ago)

^Merkle's Boner!

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:31 (ten years ago)

btw not having cable or a digital antenna that gets anything, this is the first night i've seen a Trump ad.

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:32 (ten years ago)

Again, it's inexcusable to throw things on the field but it wasn't a ten pound weight it was a can of beer. Worst case scenario is a small bruise and the batter is called out for interference.

Maier turned an entire postseason around.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:32 (ten years ago)

lol that's ridiculous

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:33 (ten years ago)

chuckled at fan holding WE WANT ODOR sign

hockey crowd showed up

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:34 (ten years ago)

worst case scenario is catastrophic leg injury to athlete trying to avoid unknown projectile if that isn't obvious to anyone

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:35 (ten years ago)

are we not beyond this yet

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:36 (ten years ago)

I've moved on to Travis killing two rallies in this game.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:37 (ten years ago)

so I guess if Grilli and Osuna pitch the 8th and 9th and this goes to extra innings, the Jays are in trouble?

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:38 (ten years ago)

No--we've got Dickey.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:39 (ten years ago)

sort of wish this was a real series just so givens and brach can buzzsaw through this pile of RHH every game

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:39 (ten years ago)

Dickey was left off the roster for this game!

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:42 (ten years ago)

did he say "He Cueto him?"

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:44 (ten years ago)

lol why?

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:44 (ten years ago)

good sign

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:45 (ten years ago)

if brach doesn't pitch the 9th buck is broken

we've got nothing after britton

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:45 (ten years ago)

playoffs need Cueto

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:45 (ten years ago)

STOP SWINGING AT 3-0 FUCK

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:47 (ten years ago)

debatable xp, arguably wrong

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:47 (ten years ago)

Oh, man, is this set up for drama.

(Didn't know that about Dickey...do we have Goins or Barney if we need them?)

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:47 (ten years ago)

lol what a terrible swing

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:47 (ten years ago)

Heart of the order for the Jays. If Buck goes with Brach and it doesn't work he is going to get severely grilled. If it works he is a genius.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:48 (ten years ago)

15 innings later, john gibbons strikes out david simon on a knuckleball and the jays win 4-3

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:48 (ten years ago)

fun game

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:48 (ten years ago)

can't wait to break slothroprhymes heart

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:49 (ten years ago)

that would require yr team actually facing mine, which is quite unlikely on both sides

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:50 (ten years ago)

i suggest they win it here

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:50 (ten years ago)

I am so very embarrassed by the beer throwing moron. I'm so sorry.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:50 (ten years ago)

Heart of the order for the Jays. If Buck goes with Brach and it doesn't work he is going to get severely grilled. If it works he is a genius.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:48 PM (forty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brach and britton both have a .180 wOBA against righties

he'll get grilled if it doesn't work but that doesn't make it the wrong choice

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:51 (ten years ago)

oh my

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:51 (ten years ago)

nice

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:51 (ten years ago)

oh god has donaldson's hair become a weird half mohawk half rattail thing like clay buchholz's?

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:52 (ten years ago)

Load 'em up?

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:52 (ten years ago)

ok bring britton in

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:52 (ten years ago)

brach and britton both have a .180 wOBA against righties

he'll get grilled if it doesn't work but that doesn't make it the wrong choice

― qualx, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:51 PM (thirty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally agree. was just stating the situation.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:52 (ten years ago)

that is an interesting intentional walk

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:53 (ten years ago)

Still no Britton!

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:53 (ten years ago)

disappointing

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:54 (ten years ago)

big k

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:55 (ten years ago)

o'day!!???

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:55 (ten years ago)

why

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:55 (ten years ago)

this is gonna get weird

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:55 (ten years ago)

ok Showalter is a Mathenyesque save moron, too

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (ten years ago)

we're gonna lose

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (ten years ago)

hahahahahha

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (ten years ago)

do fans agree with that walk? there were no outs at the time

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (ten years ago)

definitely don't pitch your best pitcher in this spot

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:56 (ten years ago)

i hope the Jays win right now in the name of all that is good and holy

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

brach after however many pitches is gonna do better than o'day

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

yeah i get it any run and it's over

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

damn

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

i love you buck

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

bonus baseball

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:57 (ten years ago)

i knew i had a good reason to hate russell martin

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:58 (ten years ago)

wow

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:58 (ten years ago)

ahahahahahahahahaha

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:58 (ten years ago)

that's why buck is buck and we're just nerds in front of a television.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:58 (ten years ago)

bastards!

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:58 (ten years ago)

Two of these double plays have been on the first pitch from a guy coming into the game. It might help to see if he starts off with a ball or something.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:59 (ten years ago)

Buck is talented enough to be playing a lineup who make stupid at-bats

Jays need to hire Barry Bonds

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 02:59 (ten years ago)

to be fair Morbs, Gibbons is even more deep into the Mathenarnia than Buck.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:00 (ten years ago)

what is up?

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:02 (ten years ago)

banish the wild card

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:02 (ten years ago)

tbh if liriano gets in the o's are probably done

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:03 (ten years ago)

liriano's 1 appearance vs BAL this year: 6.1 shutout innings, 10K 1BB

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:05 (ten years ago)

We blew the chance to win the game in the 9th and now Osuna is injured, no biggie.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:06 (ten years ago)

is latroy hawkins still a blue jay maybe he could come in

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:07 (ten years ago)

hope bundy's got 5 good innings in him

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:07 (ten years ago)

Tulowitzki's about the only Jay I feel good about up at the plate these days (Pillar, too, to an extent), so I like that he's leading off.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:09 (ten years ago)

jesus christ why is o'day still out

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:09 (ten years ago)

this feels like it's going 18

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:10 (ten years ago)

I guess Britton will only pitch in a "save situation" tonight.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:10 (ten years ago)

this is gonna end up being a black mark on buck forever

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:10 (ten years ago)

guys britton literally threw 1.2 innings in a non-save situation 2 nights ago

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:12 (ten years ago)

justin fucking smoak is going to win it

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:14 (ten years ago)

friend on FB:

Maybe Zach Britton is the Designated Survivor?

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:14 (ten years ago)

Jeff Sullivan
8:14 By the way, this year, Britton inherited 53 leads, seven ties, and nine deficits

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:16 (ten years ago)

This should be the last hitter O'Day faces.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:17 (ten years ago)

Jays secretly activating Billy Koch

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:17 (ten years ago)

Ugh Liriano looks like the Orioles are just gonna meekly ground out three times in a row inning after inning until the Blue Jays finally break through

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:19 (ten years ago)

it's Liriano guys, not Kershaw.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:20 (ten years ago)

every LHP is kershaw vs the o's

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:20 (ten years ago)

HEY ADAM FUCKING STOP

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:22 (ten years ago)

JUST STOP SWINGING AT ALL

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:22 (ten years ago)

Britton not in the bullpen. Maybe he is being held at the border?

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:22 (ten years ago)

Ugh

― JoeStork, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:24 (ten years ago)

This is actually pretty much how I expected the game to go except Trumbo's homer would've been solo and the game would be over.

― JoeStork, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:24 (ten years ago)

Awesome. Clock's ticking on our charmed bullpen performance. Score now.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:25 (ten years ago)

how many pitches has liriano thrown? 4?

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:25 (ten years ago)

Tippy Martinez and Ben McDonald warming.

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:25 (ten years ago)

this is officially the worst call anyone has made in the game

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:26 (ten years ago)

'a real pain in the bottom of ninth hole'

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:27 (ten years ago)

duensing isn't even that good as a loogy

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:27 (ten years ago)

omg lol ubaldo warming, the apocalypse is nigh

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:27 (ten years ago)

jesus

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:28 (ten years ago)

here comes ubaldo

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:28 (ten years ago)

famous last words

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:28 (ten years ago)

buck's a fucking idiot

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:28 (ten years ago)

@jonahkeri
"The Ends Justify The Means: The Buck Showalter Story"

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:28 (ten years ago)

Ubaldon't, amirite

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:29 (ten years ago)

if the jays don't win here they don't deserve to be in the playoffs

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:29 (ten years ago)

Buck's prepared to make fans forget Grady Little

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:29 (ten years ago)

Showalter just burned a pitcher to face one batter (with an 83 career OPS+) in the 11th inning of a tie game. And his closer is still nowhere to be found.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:30 (ten years ago)

embarrassing

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:31 (ten years ago)

maybe buck murdered him, maybe britton is tyrell wellick

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:32 (ten years ago)

oh the next double play is going to hurt so much.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:32 (ten years ago)

I will jump out the window if there's another DP here.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:33 (ten years ago)

"This guy was unhittable once upon a time. We're not seeing the guy who's unhittable NOW this evening."

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:33 (ten years ago)

oh this is it

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:33 (ten years ago)

Two straight K's, CS at home plate, anything but another DP.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:34 (ten years ago)

night folks

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:34 (ten years ago)

dumb as shit

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:34 (ten years ago)

Well that qualifies.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:34 (ten years ago)

there's a reason they walked him last time...

― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:34 (ten years ago)

so obviously britton is hurt

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:35 (ten years ago)

i guess that is why you walk him

― Bee OK, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:35 (ten years ago)

Britton still looking for his passport 'I swear it was in my bag'.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:36 (ten years ago)

sorry to all Baltimore fans but it'll always be funny to me when a team loses a do-or-die game in extras without using their closer

― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:36 (ten years ago)

should only count as a single imho

(that used to be the rule)

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:37 (ten years ago)

Hit almost to the exact same spot at Bautista's HR vs Texas last year.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:37 (ten years ago)

congrats to Jays, i kinda hope for Ballmer fans' sake there is a problem with Britton

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:38 (ten years ago)

I wear to god the bar I'm at nearly fell over

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:39 (ten years ago)

did they all throw their drinks in celebrations

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:40 (ten years ago)

sorry that was uncalled for

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:40 (ten years ago)

"Ubaldo Jimenez through five pitches in the 11th."

― Andy K, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:40 (ten years ago)

Don't worry, Dusty Baker will do some bullpen move this post season that is even worse.

― earlnash, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:41 (ten years ago)

Please baseball Jesus give us Texas Toronto rematch

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:41 (ten years ago)

u got it

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:43 (ten years ago)

@keithlaw
Either Britton was unavailable or Buck Showalter just blundered his way into playoff history.

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:43 (ten years ago)

Honestly thought they might walk EE and hope for another double play (or an over-anxious Bautista striking out).

Exhausted. Hope Osuna's okay.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:43 (ten years ago)

there really isn't a single team in the AL i want to root for. go adrian beltre i guess?

bummed we're going to have so few chances at another postseason with manny

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:43 (ten years ago)

i mean manny's looking like his bff arod in the playoffs but after he becomes a NYY this team goes back into storage

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:44 (ten years ago)

at last Pedro, Sheffield questioning Buck's brains on the postgame

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:45 (ten years ago)

lots of players to root for in the Ranger's squad: Beltre, Beltran, Lucroy, Darvish for starters.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:46 (ten years ago)

all 4 of the panelists in fact xp

i can root for Cleveland despite the mascot shit

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:46 (ten years ago)

Damn I am stupid

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:47 (ten years ago)

How many millions did EE just tack onto his upcoming contract?

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:48 (ten years ago)

lots of players to root for in the Ranger's squad: Beltre, Beltran, Lucroy, Darvish for starters.

― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:46 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but they have that lucky-team-that-didn't-deserve-it stink to them

o's had that for years so i guess it's natural to root for them

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:49 (ten years ago)

if it's anything but a sudden injury, the Buck quotes are gonna be good/facepalming

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:51 (ten years ago)

cubs better win it all istg

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:51 (ten years ago)

britton was available

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:54 (ten years ago)

maybe buck just didn't want to win

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:55 (ten years ago)

huh

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:55 (ten years ago)

oh buck

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:55 (ten years ago)

is he gonna give us the matt williams 'he's the closer'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:56 (ten years ago)

for buck's sakes

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:56 (ten years ago)

"(Britton) was fine... We had some good options."

EEEEEDIOT

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 03:59 (ten years ago)

to be fair, britton should have been unavailable because he'd already pitched the ninth

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:00 (ten years ago)

"nothing philosophical about it"

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:00 (ten years ago)

Buck accepted death as envitable in do or die.

― earlnash, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:03 (ten years ago)

people pinning this on "it wasn't a save situation" are wrong and dumb, buck really isn't that rigid with it

this was buck fucking up in a way that was totally uniquely buck.

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:10 (ten years ago)

buck has this "this is unconventional but if you just believe in me it'll all work out" complex and it's always brilliant until it doesn't work out

he can be allergic to doing the most obvious thing

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:11 (ten years ago)

https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/783517787595608064

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:12 (ten years ago)

at no point in this season was i expecting francisco liriano to win the AL wild card game

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:13 (ten years ago)

used to think it was his brilliant overmanaging and attention to detail but i'm pretty sure he just goes by feeling, and it didn't *feel* right to use britton then

he believes in orioles magic more than the fans they have left

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:13 (ten years ago)

i honestly don't blame him for not using britton.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:14 (ten years ago)

tho i am *incredibly* drunk right now

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:14 (ten years ago)

"No one has been pitching better for us than Ubaldo."

That is not an old Rockies quote.

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:15 (ten years ago)

tho i am *incredibly* drunk right now

obviously! ;)

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:16 (ten years ago)

Managers change their reliever usage patterns in postseason all the time, as we've seen. Maybe Showalter won't get to.

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Sunday, October 2, 2016 8:43 AM

obv i am not a sufficiently experienced Buckwatcher

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:18 (ten years ago)

ubaldo held hitters to a .151/.229/.244 line over 35 innings since sept. 1, so it's not like he was a terrible choice

otoh he'd only made 8 appearances out of the bullpen in an 11-year career, and i'd be kinda surprised if many of them began with runners on the corners

― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:20 (ten years ago)

Zahn pointed out how much trouble Bautista has with Jiminez--understatement: 38 AB, .079/.222/.105. On the other hand, Encarnacion hadn't had much success either: 41 AB, .220/.360/.366.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:22 (ten years ago)

obv i am not a sufficiently experienced Buckwatcher

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:18 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh fuck off, i've explained in about 40 different ways that this isn't a pattern

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:39 (ten years ago)

Yeah I think the decision came down to Britton vs Jimenez no matter what, save or no save, etc. It was still unforgivably the wrong decision and we all saw it coming. Perhaps the real mistake was to not ease up Jimenez and put him in the stretch right away.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:53 (ten years ago)

otoh he'd only made 8 appearances out of the bullpen in an 11-year career, and i'd be kinda surprised if many of them began with runners on the corners

No, Jiminez came in with the bases empty, he gave up all three hits.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:56 (ten years ago)

oh yeah that's right. well in that case, take him out. i don't know. it's even worse.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:57 (ten years ago)

It was right after Duensing was brought in to face (and retire) that lefty masher Carrera -- you definitely don't want that guy facing a righty from the sixth inning on.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:57 (ten years ago)

the first two hits came so quickly it's easy to forget

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:58 (ten years ago)

britton should've been in to face all three, and then the next three if need be

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:58 (ten years ago)

I like Carrera, he's just a weird guy to be playing matchups with in extra innings (regardless of whether your closer is available or not).

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 04:59 (ten years ago)

as much as this is on buck, important to remember that the offense did literally nothing after stroman was taken out, and the jays don't even have a good pen

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:00 (ten years ago)

Zahn pointed out how much trouble Bautista has with Jiminez--understatement: 38 AB, .079/.222/.105. On the other hand, Encarnacion hadn't had much success either: 41 AB, .220/.360/.366.

Without checking, I wonder how much of that was in the NL when they were all different players (especially Bautista)? Trusting Zaun to use statistics correctly is like trusting kids with matches.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:07 (ten years ago)

1 for 12 with 3 walks over the last 2 years, and the hit was a single. a few games where a healthy bautista sat. BVP numbers are worthless though.

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:13 (ten years ago)

people pinning this on "it wasn't a save situation" are wrong and dumb, buck really isn't that rigid with it

this was buck fucking up in a way that was totally uniquely buck.

― qualx, Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:10 AM (one hour ago)

i mean maybe but when you break it down that's what it comes down to. if it were a save situation he would have used britton. it wasn't so he didn't.

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:26 (ten years ago)

like there is a LITTLE room for being creative but showalter crossed that line a long time before that homer

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:31 (ten years ago)

that's... not what it comes down to. he considered britton at various points. he's used britton in non-save situations many times. you're apparently getting on him for... using him in save situations when they actually exist?

it was a horrible move but rigidity is not the issue at all

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:33 (ten years ago)

like he could've been more rigid probably. rigid would've been using britton before ubaldo. i think even matheny would've used britton before that. 29 other managers would've used britton. showalter likes to get tricksy and it failed.

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 05:35 (ten years ago)

Not sure why you'd say batter-pitcher stats are worthless (notwithstanding NoTime's point about the bulk of those numbers maybe going back to the NL, which is valid if true--don't know). If the sample size is large enough--and 38 AB is pretty decent--I'd want to know that as a manager, especially at the extremes. Clearly, Bautista does not hit Jiminez well.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 11:37 (ten years ago)

I'm guessing 38 abs spread over years is about as worthless as it gets. it takes, what, 150 PAs for numbers to start stabilizing in the season, right? and that's at the low end. and I think it's just for pitchers.

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:33 (ten years ago)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/when-you-should-ignore-the-data/

Batter/Pitcher match-up data has been shown to have no predictive value. In The Book, Tango/Lichtman/Dolphin devote an entire chapter — Ch 6, “Mano a Mano” — to looking for evidence that previous results of specific batter/pitcher match-ups would predict future results in those same match-ups. It wasn’t there. Despite looking at the 30 most extreme examples of matched-pairs where the batter had dominated the pitcher over a three-year period, the group was barely better than average in the fourth season against those same pitchers. When looking at the flip side, where pitchers had dominated the hitters, the results were the same. Most interesting is that there was little difference in actual future performance by the 30 hitters who had dominated their rivals versus those who had been dominated by opposing pitchers. Even at the extremes, specific batter/pitcher data showed no real usefulness in projecting future results.

― qualx, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:36 (ten years ago)

Thanks, I'll read that over tonight.

I don't know--intuitively, it just seems natural that batters would feel overmatched against certain pitchers (can't figure out their delivery, can't hit a certain pitch of theirs, etc.) and feel like others can't get the ball by them. (Don't tennis players play consistently better than expected against some opponents and consistently worse than expected against others? I don't know tennis that well.) In terms of projecting future results, maybe Bautista does indeed get a hit in that 39th AB--but maybe the data had done a good job predicting the results for AB 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, and 38. Not trying to be difficult or play devil's advocate; when the numbers are as bad as Bautista's are against Jiminez, I'd just rather have that match-up as a manager.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 12:56 (ten years ago)

This might be instructive:

http://www.si.com/vault/1955/08/08/604885/the-question-who-is-or-was-the-hardest-pitcher-for-you-to-hit

I'm going to go through that tonight and see what these guys actually did against the pitchers they cite.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 October 2016 13:06 (ten years ago)

gotcha qualx, not a pattern. mlb.com:

"On a certain level, it shouldn't be all that surprising that Showalter didn't use Britton. Like many managers, he has typically refused to put his closers into tie games on the road. Britton entered in a tie game away from home just once all season, which was against the Blue Jays on July 31, when he pitched the ninth and 10th innings of a 2-2 tie (Baltimore went on to win, 6-2, in 12 innings). And that was somewhat of an outlier as he hadn't pitched for five consecutive days before that."

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2016 15:43 (ten years ago)

And he looks like such a pleasant guy.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/36107

― clemenza, Thursday, 6 October 2016 00:30 (ten years ago)

He actually looks like a younger Tim Kaine...

― clemenza, Thursday, 6 October 2016 00:32 (ten years ago)

gotcha qualx, not a pattern. mlb.com:

"On a certain level, it shouldn't be all that surprising that Showalter didn't use Britton. Like many managers, he has typically refused to put his closers into tie games on the road. Britton entered in a tie game away from home just once all season, which was against the Blue Jays on July 31, when he pitched the ninth and 10th innings of a 2-2 tie (Baltimore went on to win, 6-2, in 12 innings). And that was somewhat of an outlier as he hadn't pitched for five consecutive days before that."

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 5, 2016 11:43 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow, whopping sample size of 4 whole games

― qualx, Thursday, 6 October 2016 01:18 (ten years ago)

lol let's see how Buck handles him for the next 20 years, i guess

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2016 01:24 (ten years ago)

But while Showalter stated in the postgame press conference that his decision wasn’t based on some philosophical issue, the 11th inning suggests differently. Because the only way you rationalize letting Jimenez face Edwin Encarnacion is if you’re dead set against using your closer in a tie game on the road.

Now, here’s the crazy part: no team in baseball history has ever had a better option for this specific situation than the 2016 Orioles....

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-craziest-part-of-showalters-crazy-decision/

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:52 (ten years ago)

https://twitter.com/CespedesBBQ/status/786987856740974592

― mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:58 (nine years ago)


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