2021 NLDS Los Angeles Dodgers vs San Francisco Giants

FUCK THE DODGERS

giants in 3

Giants in 5

Slept in a chair with the game on, missed Taylor's HR...I'm far from a Dodger fan, but there's literally no one on the Giants who interests me; I'd rather continue to watch Scherzer and Betts (and maybe Kershaw, not sure).

300 million will do that

and Bauer, oh wait

I'm supposed to root against Scherzer, Kershaw, and Betts because of Trevor Bauer?

that was uncalled for, Bauer is below the Belt

i have never bought into big spending team buying players with the Dodgers getting both Max and Turner at the deadline. it's the rich getting Richter and that has just never appealed to me

(ha ha, Belt was a Giants reference)

I'm against it in theory too, but when the Jays bought their way in at the deadline in 2015, it was the greatest thing in the world. I think you hate it until it's your own team, and then it's "Here's an organization committed to winning."

"Bauer is below the Belt"--but above the Posey.

Kershaw is out for the playoffs though (insert your own joke about Kershaw not being clutch in the playoffs).

Scherzer and Betts are already WS winners, what's the fun in rooting for them again?

This Giants team is like an enhanced version of the 2010-2014 teams, a couple of stars, a lot of smart veteran acquisitions, great starting pitching, a deceptively deep bullpen. Winning 107 games is no fluke. I hope they win.

i’m sure the giants would like to increase payroll, but charles johnson’s financial commitments to the most racist politicians and organizations in the country comes first

what's the fun in rooting for them again?

I like watching them a lot more than the players on San Francisco? And while I realize most of the players are different now, the Giants have won three of the last 10 WS!

it makes sense, but it hadn't occurred to me that the dodgers and giants have never met in the playoffs before

yeah it's pretty crazy that this is the first time. over/under on number of fans that kill each other during this series?

Seems weird. The wild card has only been around a fraction as long as each team but they’ve both been consistently good franchises over the last 20 or so years.

Major surprise too. I tend to think of league/divisional tiebreakers as the postseason, though, in which case you've got Bobby Thomson in '51, and then another three-game tiebreaker in '62 (with the Giants again coming from behind in the 9th inning of the third game). But strictly speaking, first time.

it should kinda count. it's like a demi-playoff.

was there not a rule, early in the (single) wild-card era, that required the wild card to play a non-division opponent in the first round?

could be making this up, or mixing it with a similar rule that (i think) existed in the NFL long ago

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

(xpost) No, I think you're right.

The #SFGiants set their 26-man roster for the 2021 National League Division Series vs. the Los Angeles Dodgers. pic.twitter.com/6GEqlh6GmV

— SFGiants (@SFGiants) October 8, 2021

No Jonny Cueto or Jay Jackson. Both teams will not have their first baseman with Brandon Belt being the biggest omission on this roster.

So ready https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiwA0pCKVhI

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

BEAT LA

nice, surprising results

Posey

that was great

Unbelievable double play

two errors in four innings? the giants just aren't a very good team

I deserve that

Good game

That's why you bring in someone like Kis Bryant

Wow

Kis, lol

Anyone watching with me?

A great pitching performance from Logan Webb

That was close

Crawford

This team

There is something magical this year

Crawford. There ya go Bee. A pretty nice game 1 so far

listening to the audio knbr audio feed on the mlb app. horizontal on the couch with jon miller murmuring in my ear

Sounds like heaven to me

One

What a perfect day

sweet game

One more time

😍 pic.twitter.com/ckI2DIuOpP

— MLB (@MLB) October 9, 2021

Walk didn't come back to bit him

Fuck

Stressed but remarkly calm

Longoria

Nice job Alex Wood, only two hits

nerves now ... bottom of the 7th

What a play by Crawford

oh man, didn't think he had those hops

Watson being hurt really hurts here

Breathe

in doval we trust

Yea

wind, pitching and defense

So fucking happy

Last time the Giants won a postseason game 1-0 on a solo homer -- Casey Stengel's mad dash in 1923.

Yeah, that factoid will be tough to top this postseason.

That's great...Giants lost a famous 1-0 WS game--7th game of the '62 Series, the one that ended with McCovey's liner to Bobby Richardson--but the one run scored on a DP, not a homer.

I'm sure I must have seen other 1-0 playoff games but the one I remember was the Braves beating the Indians in the final game of the '95 WS with Tom Glavine getting the win. So tense all game long.

giants got lucky last night lol.

BEAT LA

Giants very lucky in the 3rd. Dodger stadium just deep enough to keep that from being a grand slam. And great catch.

Should have pitched Cueto over Disco this game

justin turner now 1-for-17 in the series

hmm the dodgers are now starting knebel tonight???

possibly an attempt to set up a lefty-heavy lineup for urias to face, but it seems like overthinking

love the mind games.

and it’s not like urias is bad against righties, or that the giants’ righties are gonna be baffled by knebel

maybe just let yr best available pitcher pitch

I was thinking about how this would be if it were 1965 (or even 1975--Ryan or Tiant): the Dodgers would send out Scherzer on two days rest, he'd throw 147 pitches, and win (or lose) 6-4. Not meant as an endorsement: just a different world.

If it's not a blowout, tonight will be the first game I watch from start to finish all year.

!

#SFGiants manager Gabe Kapler said he received a courtesy text earlier from #Dodgers manager Dave Roberts that they were going with an opener, and wasn’t surprised by the move with Knebel starting instead of Urias.

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) October 14, 2021

A courtesy text! lol

Surprising cordial

they are buds but thats hilarious.

the bad news is that my car's tire was shredded on a long drive back across illinois today, and none of the tire shops had the size wheel that i needed (the apparently bizarre 2016 honda fit) so i'm a hotel.

the good news is that i'm going to watch game 5 with a beer and take-out taco bell

Hope everyone enjoys this game

BEAT LA

honda (tires don't) fit

hope you're doing alright + you get free continental breakfast KM

Hope everyone enjoys this game

― Bee OK, Thursday, October 14, 2021 5:42 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes though hope the Giants fans enjoy it more :0

Great start

I know I keep saying this - but this giants team is so strange. A bunch of aging / journeymen vets all having amazing seasons at the same time. This is only my second time watching them play this year - I’ll eventually stop repeating myself.

it really is a strange team, i'm with you. just weird how they kept going the whole season

some people talk about cardinals devil magic

what if those people talked about...

giants tragic evil

uh that was Ball 5

Agree

This umpire sucks

If Roberts pulls Urias after a three-K inning (bottom of the order, I know), I will immediately start rooting for the Giants.

excellent game so far

I forgot how freakishly tall Bellinger is. it looks like an optical illusion when he's batting.

so one thing about this umpire calling such a wide zone is that now everything Webb is throwing is off the plate

not that it matters if you're Mookie Betts

Just need to get it back here

like that?

Ruf roh

There you go

Just need to get it back here

Yeah

I didn't hit send but wrote that out

Oh I did

Continue

I have like 10 conversations going at once

bee ok, who do you think is gonna win this game, as it stands?

pouring out one for morbs right now. i know he'd be watching

Giants fan so

lol <3

I'm actually pouring one in for morbs atm

Nice

I wrote this to friends

I'm so jacked up, I had to open a bottle of wine

i am actually chugging from my gas tank right now, some sort of secondary fluid

Lol

Logan Webb

What a performance

Need to see more of him in these playoffs

I was hoping for the DICK chant

The crowd seems to be chanting “BEE OK! BEE OK! BEE OK!”

rogers getting a bit wild here

Edge of my seat

One pitch

In Doval we trust

Glad not to see any more of Treithan (sp?).

y'all are always rooting for the Brewers so I am throwing my full support behind the San Francisco Baseball Giants

Welcome frogbs

Great game

There is nothing like baseball

What a game. They should cancel the rest of the playoffs, declare this to be the World Series, and extend it to a best of seven.

Jansen has got to be the most irritating guy to face in this game

like if you wanna explain to someone what a balk is just show them any video of Kensley Jansen pitching

Breathe

he loses many big games ime

Too close

My curiosity with this giants teams continues… I had to look up how how many teams had two mvp & ROY recipients on it. Best I can figure it’s only happened 6 other times.

how in the world did you look that up?!

so uh big moment huh

:(

Ugh

Bellinger: awful all season long, saves them in the playoffs, how does it happen?

Looks like Scherzer will be the Dodgers' new closer.

well i mean bellinger is more clutch than judge so

Here we go

Let's see if there is anymore magic

Karl: found a list of players that had won both awards and then checked bbref for the guys I wasn’t sure if they’d been on the same team/year or not.

Here we go

Anti magic

Sorry Bee. We were all (mostly) rooting for you.

sorry bee!

i don't like the la dodgers either :(

oh man that’s a tough way to lose

Ya that was a shite call to end it there.

scherzer is a maniac lol

Remember when Scherzer gave up a grand slam to a relief pitcher a few months ago

what an awful way for that to end

don't even care if he did go around, just give it to the batter

I have died

Well that sucked

My gut reaction

Happy for Scherzer, but the worst series-ending call I've ever seen; I don't think his bat was within a foot of that invisible it's-a-swing line.

I'm ok, I wanted the NL West title, everything else would have been gravy

But fuck the umpire, five horrible calls

"Huge props to Logan Webb... he shoved it up our butt twice" - Cody Bellinger pic.twitter.com/ggqQdknBxw

— Internet #BlackLivesMatter (@cjzero) October 15, 2021

So, other MVP/ROY teammates:
Mays/McCovey
Bench/Rose
Lynn/Carew
Lynn/Ripken
Pujols/Trout
Pujols/Bellinger

Watching live, I thought he went around, IOW that's called a strike more often than not. But what the hell, don't end a playoff series that way.

Ohtani/Trout

I see; misunderstood.

Next year, most likely, yes.

Brutal ending

season-ending. pic.twitter.com/APRlI0UZK7

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) October 15, 2021

Someone else will have to take over the thread polls, I'm out

check swing twitter is good as hell tonight

sorry bee! horrible call

#Justice4Wilmer

this was on too late for me but it looks like it was fucking epic?? game of the year?

oh no i just saw the last strike

it wasn't a great call but it's not like he had runners in scoring position or something

yeah imo much worse was that Kris Bryant AB w/ one on and no one out. he took 5 straight pitches, all well out of the zone, but the ump called two of them strikes anyway, and he struck out on the next pitch

the fix was in

Doesn't really matter that they were unlikely to win, you can't end the series that way

Comparison between 2 morales calls https://streamable.com/q97s2c

Lol

christ.

Umpire: Doug Eddings
Final: Giants 1, Dodgers 2#ResilientSF // #Dodgers#SFvsLAD // #LADvsSF pic.twitter.com/MX0tUmJwzs

— Umpire Scorecards (@UmpScorecards) October 15, 2021

since Bee is, I assume, prostrate on his floor for the foreseeable future; i went to start a poll for the NLCS, but had no idea how to set the time to the first pitch?!

that isn’t bad, but the two worst calls coming in the same at-bat is rough

xp you can’t iirc, it’ll be at 8pm EDT (midnight GMT of the selected date) no matter what

the sox 'stros one ends in 7 hours somehow tho!

he's used his weird giants voodoo magic on the poll times!!

Doesn't really matter that they were unlikely to win, you can't end the series that way

Ditto. Don Denkinger's famous blown call didn't end a series--it didn't even end Game 6.

Posnanski has a long post on last night's game:

Wilmer Flores didn’t swing. He didn’t come close to swinging. It was a blown call.

And that was a crummy way to end a brilliant game.

It’s a weird blown call because I think we’d all agree it probably didn’t make a difference. Scherzer still would have had Flores down 1-2 in the count, and Flores had gone one-for-11 in the series, and he’d never gotten a hit in 16 at-bats against Scherzer, and so the inevitable was still inevitable.

Still, there was something about that call that summed up this whole series and maybe even these whole playoffs. The Giants and the Dodgers should not have been playing a five-game series in early October. This whole thing was upside down, These are two of the best teams of the last decade, and they deserved — we deserved — a seven-game World Series to cherish forever.

Alas, it wasn’t meant to be. Instead, the Dodgers go on, and the Giants will always be left wondering what miracles might have occurred had they been given their final strike.

since Bee is, I assume, prostrate on his floor for the foreseeable future; i went to start a poll for the NLCS, but had no idea how to set the time to the first pitch?!

thanks for taking over, yes i'm over baseball for now. anyways, just set it to close on Sunday and it will close at 5 PM Pacific on Saturday Night.

Still thinking about that last call...It's not something a manager can appeal, okay. But I thought the umpires, for anything that happens, have the option of getting together and conferring. Couldn't they ask to look at videotape themselves? Going back to that Denkinger call in 1985, the inning--the 9th--started with the bases empty, the Cardinals up 1-0 in the game and up 3-2 in the series. After Denkinger's missed call, the Royals have a man on first, but the Cardinals are still up 1-0 in the game and 3-2 in the series. And that call is infamous. This one ended the series.

i'm in the "that's baseball" camp i think

it’s just not feasible to go to the video for every borderline strike call. that this one ended a series is unfortunate, but so it goes

and unlike the denkinger play, a check-swing is a judgment call

I understand both of you, but in all honesty, a safe/out play at first seems no more or no less a judgement call to me than a checked swing--or at least in this case, where the bat is so clearly not even close to where you'd call a strike. Anyway, I won't mention it again. I do feel for Giants fans, though; I think they got screwed worse than 2003 Cubs fans or 1996 Orioles fans.

Okay, one last comment. What I think:

Managers obviously should not be allowed to appeal ball/strike calls.
Managers should not be allowed to appeal checked-swing calls.
Umpires should not be allowed to review ball/strike calls.

But: umpires should be allowed to review checked-swing calls, if someone on the crew feels one is needed. 99% of them would still not warrant a review--they would, indeed, fall under the judgement-call umbrella, or the game-situation wouldn't warrant doing so. But this is a rare and extreme case, and I think a review should have been in order.

the ump that made the call had the only angle from which to do so — no other ump on the field would ever question it. if you want the ump in the review room in NYC to be proactive, that’s feasible but also raises a ton of other issues

and just as a human nature thing, i doubt that umpires will be too interested in overruling coworkers who didn’t ask for help