holliday...it would be so nice (a 2024 orioles)

new ownership? new hot shit prospects? new beefs? can adley, gunnar, cedric and the gang improve on 2023? without felix bautista?! we shall see.

good luck. we're all counting on you

great thread title

no doubt, this song will be in my head all season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCB-SQJLr9E

Sorry--wrong thread x 1000!

Wouldn't blame you if you want to petition to get that removed.

They can improve on 2023 by going deeper in the playoffs. As with last season, pitching is the big concern.

xp stop posting the bad billionaire in the good billionaire thread

They can improve on 2023 by going deeper in the playoffs. As with last season, pitching is the big concern.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:04 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Exactly. This team played over its head last year and isn't an AL East winner in its current form. But this team plus a #1 starter and one more effective starter is a really different team equipped to make a run.

there's just sooooo much talent on the current 40 man roster and just on the cusp. it's almost silly. hard to imagine they're not in the mix even without a big signing or trade. curious what they do w/ hall and wells (bullpen or rotation?) and how they divvy up high leverage appearances b/w cano, kimbrel and tate...or if tate is able to regin his 2022 form.

Wouldn't last year's Pythagorean luck be offset by a great young team getting another year of experience? When does Bautista return?

!!!!!!!!!

Full trade, sources tell me and @kileymcd :

Baltimore receives: RHP Corbin Burnes

Milwaukee receives: IF Joey Ortiz, LHP D.L. Hall and the 34th pick in the 2024 draft

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 2, 2024

uh, giddyup.

...just one day out of life.

When does Bautista return?

Current projections say 2025.

Corbin Burnes, jesus christ. i'll bet money they move to lock him up long term, if these new owners are for real.

Wow. Knew things were changing but didn't know it'd happen this fast.

Kyle Bradish had a 2.83 ERA in 2023

Corbin Burnes had a 2.94 ERA in ’22, 2.43 in ’21 and 2.11 in ’20

the last time the Orioles had 2 qualified SP finish with sub-3.00 ERAs in the same season?

1976: Wayne Garland + Jim Palmer

— Sarah Langs (@SlangsOnSports) February 2, 2024

That's an astonishingly good trade.

At first glance seems like a pretty great move for both teams. Ortiz is a legit prospect who is going to struggle to find a place in Baltimore's infield. The Brewers get him and DL Hall, who still has real upside, and the Orioles add the one thing they need most, frontline starting pitching; sure he may leave in free agency but the window is the window and this is what you do when you have a chance to win.

welllllll, shit...

So what we've found out in the last five minutes in summary is...

Bradish - right UCL sprain, open the season on IL
Means - month behind, might miss OD
Henderson - oblique aggravation, likely for OD
Basallo- stress fracture, won't catch till April

original sources: @JakeDRill

— Alex Fast (@AlexFast8) February 15, 2024

Damn

holliday...it would be so nice

see you in September, sweet prince~

He did ok in ST I think. No way he’s in AAA for more than a month or two.
Otoh with such an insane amount of prospects anyone could step up and get promoted ahead of him.

O's are logjam city unless they follow the Reds' path of injuries/PEDs or start trading pieces away.

This is the year to win every game you can, it's gonna be a strong division, it's time to put the best guys on the field and Kolten Wong is not the best guys

my guess is up by memorial day. guys get hurt (and mateo and urias seem sort of prone, anyways), schedule will allow for some roster fandango...

oh...wong's opting out, i think.

...and then they signed tony kemp. masterful troll.

anyways, happy opening day. i can't believe the o's have corbin burnes.

liking what I'm seeing guys

I think these O's might be for real

Corbin Burnes, 10th and 11th Ks.

Thru 6.

Making a Statement. pic.twitter.com/ryPzYib1KQ

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) March 28, 2024

rodriguez nearly punch for punch w/ burnes today. god, this offense, though...

. . . yeah, this offense

I am already seeing that Craig Kimbrel is not gonna be good for my heart

Unfathomable pick up by the O's. Incredibly funny he gets the win for this game.

They were obviously hoping to plug a Bautista-sized hole.

Tbf, the tying run came as a result of two stolen bases.

Let's actually go O's

Wasn't sure about the bunt move, but cooler heads prevail!

sooooo nice...

This box score from the Norfolk Tides, the Triple-A affiliate of the Orioles, is insane 😲

The team features three @MLBPipeline Top 35 prospects, including No. 1 prospect Jackson Holliday. pic.twitter.com/WVu0KfFtpD

— MLB (@MLB) April 4, 2024

But seriously, what are we gonna do? "Too many players you want to see on the field" is a good problem to have, but -- eventually somebody's got to get traded or released, right? But who? And when?

or hurt

Accidents will happen…

I was just looking at that AAA lineup and it’s basically the 1927 Yankees. I figure by mid summer they are going to have to deal someone from that backlog for pitching.

Norfolk Tides game free to watch on mlb.tv right now

Norfolk up 10-2 in the first inning

The thing about this team is there are a lot of games Burnes and Rodriguez aren't pitching

I will relax a little bit once Bradish and Means are back

PS the Tides won that game 11-10 in extras after being up 10-0!

I miss Bautista

UGHHHHHHH

bats gotta wake the fuck up, though.

I miss Bautista

I was just talking to my son about this last night. When he came out to close a game last season, there was a high level of confidence that he was going to get it done. The O's really lack that this year, and it may be a difference maker in too many close games.

Baumann was an embarrassment on Saturday.

bradish is starting his rehab assignment. means has looked...meh.

Means may in retrospect be the defining pitcher of the Spidertack Era

Thread namesake getting called up!

i try not to complain about bad calls too much but this is pretty egregious, like at least 3 runs are down to this umpire in the last inning.

Curious as to when all this generational-player hysteria began. I remember a lot of hype for David Clyde's first start in 1973--cover of Sports Illustrated--because he came out of high school. (Hype then not being what hype is today.) After that, I really don't remember anybody until Griffey Jr. came along.

And the SI cover came after his first start, not before.

I feel like there might have been extra hype when the baseball card market started to take off, I just remember everybody getting kinda hyped the same year Griffey was coming up about other guys like Gregg jefferies, Steve Avery, Ty Griffin (lol), etc. Before griffey, there was definitely hype around Bo Jackson but that obviously was of a different nature entirely. Post-griffey, you had other guys but they were a bit less hyped, they had to start to prove themselves in the majors before people fully committed to it. Even someone like Frank Thomas who in retrospect was definitely a can't miss kind of guy.

But I do feel like once you hit 1989, every several years you started to see one or two guys everyone would start to flip out over. Now it's multiple guys per year.

Yeah, of course--rookie-card mania, timed perfectly with Upper Deck's launch and Griffey's arrival.

You can't forget Todd Van poppel or Brien Taylor, I mean the donruss rated rookie cards are probably a good place to look for guys you forgot existed 2 years after their hype was at its peak.

You could have made a fortune on the baseball card stock market investing in and then 3 months later selling off all your jefferies cards.

To state the obvious, it really does put a lot of pressure on someone. Mike Schmidt hit .200 for two seasons without, I'm guessing, drawing a lot of attention. Robin Yount was pretty ordinary for three or four seasons. (As someone who's all over Vlad all the time, I'm being hypocritical.)

I see a parallel between that and the pressure for new-release films to make huge amounts of money immediately.

In more recent times, Joe Mauer was touted as THE REAL DEAL (USA Today HS-POY for both football and baseball but NOT for basketball), iirc he only struck out in one AB in his 4 year HS career, was drafted straight out of HS as #1 pick 2001 and is heading to Cooperstown.

Mauer averaged more than 20 points a game as a point guard for Cretin-Derham Hall.[9] He was also named to the All-State team during his final two years on Cretin-Derham's basketball team.[12]

What an utter disappointment... sheesh.

I honestly think Matt Wieters mania was bigger, at least in Orioles world, than the pre-debut hype around Holliday, Grayson Rodriguez, or Gunnar, with only Rutschman maybe comparable

i was working for milb dot com when wieters came up and it was (insofar as anything involving minor league baseball can be) huge

in my memory, only harper was a bigger deal

could have been you, joey bart

Orioles thread, I know--last mention I'll make of this. I vaguely recall that Bob Horner arrived with a lot of fanfare too:

Horner was drafted by Atlanta with the first overall pick in the 1978 amateur draft, and he made his Major League Baseball debut the same year. He is one of only a handful of players to go directly from college to the starting lineup in the majors without spending a day in the minor leagues. In his first game, he belted a home run off future Hall of Fame pitcher Bert Blyleven of the Pirates.

I went to tuesday and wednesday's sox/orioles games, and yesterday I was seated next to a big orioles fan who flew from baltimore on a moment's notice when he learned jackson holliday had been called up. was pretty cool to be able to see his first game -- hopefully he'll end up being a legend and I can say I was there

This is making the rounds today--check the date.

Matt Holliday's son: Future All-Star.

— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) November 14, 2013

there are some great videos from when he's really little hanging out w/ his dad pregame...nice swing, bat flips...it's a trip.

all the talk about holliday and what a series cowser has had.

113.6 mph EV - hardest hit ball by an Oriole this year

438 feet - furthest hit ball by an Oriole this year pic.twitter.com/oJ9rnGqJCx

— Locked On Orioles (@LockedOnOrioles) April 12, 2024

How about for a Norfolk Tidesman?

lol...mayo's up there

I like that Tony Kemp tweet that's circulating:

In the fall of 2010, our college had a series against the Longhorns for a 3 game set. Our hitting coach at the time was Josh Holliday and his brother, Matt, brought his kid to our early practice. I remember watching his son @J_Holliday7 with a sweet lefty swing. Go get em’ kid!

— Tony Kemp (@tonykemp) April 10, 2024

Seems like a guy you'd want on your team.

(They had to release Kemp to make room for Holliday.)

kemp is a fantastic guy

Well finally.

Amazing catch:

https://www.mlb.com/news/cedric-mullins-lays-out-for-incredible-diving-catch

(Not worth anything on my fantasy team, unfortunately.)

saw some comment about Henderson's high school and looked it up - I guess the movement to rename certain institutions hasn't caught on everywhere...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Morgan_Academy

today i learned about the dong bong

When I was a teen, we used to do those separately. 2nd screen culture has gone too far

Holliday still struggling. Read that his 1-30 start is the worst through 9 games since Gary Disarcina in 1990. (Lifetime Angel...hmmmm, I can make use of that information.)

As truly dreadful as his .033/.094/.033 (.127 OPS) is... it's really the 2BB:16K that's more concerning (should note it was 1BB:15K before yesterday).

He was 138BB:138K for his MiLB career (12BB:8K this year).

Albert Suarez, huh. No MLB appearances since 2017 and 11 scoreless innings in two starts.

definitely curious to see if opposing hitters catch up to suarez. his stuff looks legit to my untrained eyes.

Suarez is surely the Jim Traber of 2024 but I'm enjoying this for as long as it lasts

A name that hadn't crossed my mind in ~40 years.

well, shit...

We have made the following roster moves: pic.twitter.com/gatOuLknN9

— Baltimore Orioles (@Orioles) April 26, 2024

That is a surprise. Happened with Delgado and Halladay and no doubt many others who came back fine. Hopefully his confidence not too shaken.

heck, cowser came up before the asb last year, got sent back down in august and that was that until spring training. seems okay, too.

One impressive stat is he somehow scored 5 runs despite only 2 BBs & 2 singles.

...and 1 HBP. I guess you could say he's very productive once he gets on base.

Henderson's HR last night makes him the the youngest player ever to hit 10 before May 1st.

Feel like that's a tricky stat as opening day began around April 22 then over time shifted to the second Saturday in April and now in 2024 we had games played on March 28.

...but still impressive!

Still surprised in that he's 22, and there have been a number of Griffey- and Matthews-type players who were already regulars at 19 or 20 (another: Giancarlo Stanton). I would have thought one of them would have done that.

what happened to grayson rod??

first i had heard about the shoulder inflammation that supposedly put him on the dl was...when they put him on the dl. no idea whether or not it's legit.

also curious to see how bradish is used going forward.

feel like this sort of thing is maybe more common these days, but everyone in the o's starting infield today is a former shortstop.

padres too: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danepstein/2024/02/28/the-san-diego-padres-want-to-build-a-lineup-out-of-shortstops/?sh=1f539d423c64

Feel like the A's did that in the Moneyball era (at least moving SSs to 2B/3B)? I know the A's were also starting 3x CFs in their outfield for a while when CFs were undervalued.

San Pedro de Macoris Orioles

Jays send out a veritable Mendoza-Line infield every day.

This team’s pretty good huh

doomers calling last year unrepeatable get off this wild ride please

i like that there was a matchup between Buck Farmer and Heston Kjerstad tonight - the two poles of extremely white names.

lol. o's need a francis winterbottom or somesuch.

I was one of those doomers who thought last year was our best chance to win, but I thought the rest of the AL East would be better this year than they've been, and I didn't think we were going to change ownership and sign a guy like Burnes.

really can't believe the weekend's pitching performances in cincy.

My doominess is now almost exclusively playoff-Kimbrel-focused

strength, my friend. i wish you strength

i'm not stressing at the moment. ask again around memorial day!

My doominess is now almost exclusively playoff-Kimbrel-focused

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 8 May 2024 02:15 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I stand in solidarity with you

Fucking Kimbrel!!!!!

well, not great.

Offense bailing him out big time

Maybe not

The no-sweep streak goes on!

just tuned into the orioles game and they had a shot of the new owner walking up and down the aisles in the stands giving out merch from the team store...new era hats, things of that nature. i also blinked and they'd scored a couple more runs.

norby got called up and is batting 9th tonight; Rodriguez on the hill and 7 of 9 in the lineup were drafted and developed by the O's. Pretty neat!

Not to mention the product of the Orioles system starting for the other team!

Connor Norby has struck out in every plate appearance of his major league career

Connor Norby has struck out in every plate appearance of his major league career

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, June 3, 2024 6:38 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Connor Norby has still struck out in every plate appearance of his major league career

Gotta feel good for Austin Hays!

you do!

The Jays broadcasters pointed out something about Rutschman tonight: his K/BB ration last season was 101/92 (really good), this year it's 42/13. That's weird...I'm pretty sure that ratio tends to remain relatively stable in most cases. Obvious there's fluctuation, as players concentrate on power or plate discipline or contact or whatever, but that's drastic. Even weirder--it suggests he's more concerned with power this year--his batting average is up 25 points.

Connor Norby has had a plate appearance in which he has not struck out

xp to clemenza -- the whole team has taken a much more aggressive approach at the plate, they're last in the AL in walks

I checked that--they're 9th with 512 (one below league average). So not last, but on the aggressive side, yes.

Oops--maybe I should check 2024, not 2023...

You're right: 4th in runs, 2nd-last in walks. Whatever works, I guess.

norby's first hit is a homer!

Conor Norby has had a major league plate appearance that was most definitely not a strikeout!

Love to see a little middle infielder hitting the ball that hard, gives Brian Roberts

Vibes?!

roberts was more of a speedy spray hitter in the minors, though. norby's power is legit.

roberts hid a billion doubles though and really smacked them off the wall, at least that's how I recall him

I'd forgotten about him--geez, 50+ doubles three times.

re: roberts

for sure. he was a doubles machine! he grew into that, though. i'm just saying norby has shown good power in college and the minors.

Love me some Craig Kimbrel drama

Ugh

We don't deserve Albert Suarez

Anyway I love watching this rendition of this team, delighted that Hays is hitting again (after an insanely godawful start he was normal-bad in May and has OPS 1.471 in 21 PA in June) but y'know it kind of seems like the Yankees are never gonna lose again

bradish. ucl. nuts.

...but last night was one of the craziest games i've watched in a while. definite playoff feel.

god, perez, though. just not a guy i trust in high leverage situations.

you know who’s good is gunnar henderson

I’ve begun to suspect as much

sucks that half their pitchers are injured but today is pretty cool

just delightful.

lmao what is this game?

y'know it kind of seems like the Yankees are never gonna lose again

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, June 12, 2024 5:24 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

it was cool how the Yankees lost and then lost again

Can't figure out whether this thread title does or doesn't suit the way the 2024 season has played out so far

Henderson just his his 28th in the Orioles' 96th game...He'd have to pick up the pace a bit, but he has a decent shot at 50. I think A-Rod's the only SS to have done that.

it was cool when this team was good

lmao

big win

team of destiny

(destiny = shitty yankee defense)

So what package do you offer for Skubal? And who's untouchable?

so, they've added eflin, Rogers, Dominguez and pache, cleared hays, norby, stowers...I imagine Holliday's on his way back up? all three pitchers controllable beyond this year isn't awful.

that was a hell of a price tag for a SP who i would describe as average when not being unpredictable.

Yeah, I give current management a decent amount of benefit of the doubt but I don't see how to make this one look like a good deal for us -- that's two ready-to-go position players with years of control, you need to get more for that

I imagine Holliday's on his way back up?

aye cap'n

Just when I was getting ready for the Terrin Vavra era

Grand slam for Holliday! trust the process, friends.

Well, I say, that nice young fella’s got a bit of pop in his swing

...and westburg to DL w/ a broken hand. commence mayo watch?

We are proud to have played our small part in the Jackson Holliday story.

He was my first round pick in our league and I was committed to keeping him into next season no matter what - so this brings me much joy

holliday looks much more comfortable at the plate this time around.

Great AB just now, holding on to draw a walk with the Orioles up 4 in the 9th, professional hitting

Boy we've kind of just transmuted into a mediocre baseball team for the moment, huh

the moment goes on

Don't see us winning this series if Burnes doesn't win game 1. But I kind of do see Burnes winning game 1. This is it, what we spent the money for. And every indication so far is that Burnes is up for it.

He was indeed up for it..... but :\

postseason losing streak at nine. yeesh.

Goddamn, this one hit me right in the guts. I know it's not over but...

Well.