There’s this interesting piece in The Athletic regarding pitcher injuries.This leaped out:
Meister said an analyst with one club told him the average major-league career is now under three years for all players and just under 2.7 for pitchers.“It’s like NFL running-back numbers,” Meister said. “Cynically from the ownership side of things, they’re never going to have to pay big bucks to any of these players. Forget about them becoming free agents. They’re never even going to become arb-eligible.”Meister said for a time, he believed the league was comfortable with a “next man up” mentality. That disturbed him; only so many arms, he said, are capable of throwing at the major-league level. But lately, he is encouraged by the league’s effort to find solutions.
Throwing a baseball is an act of violence that has been graphically defined by Dr. James Andrews, Dr. Glenn Fleisig and the other doctors and clinicians at the American Sports Medicine Institute (ASMI) in Birmingham. From the loaded position, the shoulder, at its peak speed, rotates forward at 7,000 degrees per second. "That," Fleisig says, "is the fastest measured human motion of any human activity."While in the loaded position, the shoulder and elbow bear the equivalent of about 40 pounds of force pushing down. When the ASMI biomechanists wanted to know how much more force an arm could take, they brought cadavers into the lab and pulled and pushed upon the elbow joint to find the breaking point. The cadavers's ligaments blew apart just after 40 pounds of force. "So a pitcher is just about at the maximum," Fleisig says.From the loaded position, when the ball has come to a stop, it is accelerated from zero mph to 90 mph in 3/10 of a second. Rick Peterson, the former New York Mets pitching coach who has worked with ASMI since 1993 and is the acknowledged expert on pitching biomechanics among his peers, once referred to that measurement in a speech he gave to college coaches. A doctor of physics who was in the audience approached him after the talk."Rick, do you know what that means in g-forces?" the doctor asked."I have no idea.""If your entire body was accelerated at that rate of speed for over 60 seconds you would die."No wonder pitchers break down. Pitching, unlike most athletic activities, has reached the limit of what is humanly possible. So while we are accustomed to increasingly swifter sprinters, faster swimmers, longer drivers of the golf ball and bigger football players, you will not see a pitcher throwing 110 mph. The arm and shoulder are maxed out. Pushed any further, the shoulder would blow, like an engine in a race car."People run faster and jump farther because we have figured out ways to make your muscles bigger and stronger," Fleisig says. "The baseball pitcher, every time he pitches, his muscles are pushing his ligaments and tendons to the limit. In the future, I can't anticipate making the muscles bigger and stronger because you can't strengthen the ligaments and tendons that much. That's why the role of research in baseball is not to get the pitcher to throw faster but to lower the risk of injury."
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 8 March 2024 20:19 (nine months ago) link
mlb should pre-tack the baseballs like they do in the NPB
― 龜, Friday, 8 March 2024 21:02 (nine months ago) link
i wonder how fast a chimpanzee could throw a baseball
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 March 2024 03:44 (nine months ago) link
GERRIT COLE MRI
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:31 (nine months ago) link
I saw that, do not wish that on Cole. Some reports seem to indicate that it sounds like a dead arm, but apparently they’re getting multiple opinions, and I feel like you don’t get an MRI for no reason? He’s probably not going to be Opening Day ready even if he doesn’t need surgery.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:50 (nine months ago) link
Why can’t his awful former college teammate get injured?
Cole's the best pitcher in the game and about 80% into a HOF career, so I very much hope he's okay.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2024 16:53 (nine months ago) link
I don’t think he’s ever had Tommy John before so if he needs it at least he’s probably only going to need one before retirement
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 11 March 2024 16:56 (nine months ago) link
cole shut down
― 龜, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:28 (nine months ago) link
Feel that the in person visit to the arm doctor ElAttrache does not bode well…Like are they going to literally open him up to get a look at it?
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 19:44 (nine months ago) link
That's lousy how much time deGrom and Scherzer and Kershaw and Verlander and now Cole have lost the last few years (you can throw in Sale, too). It cost Sale a HOF career and will probably cost deGrom one; Cole should come through okay, but who knows. Just in general, though, it's bad for the game.
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 March 2024 03:58 (nine months ago) link
Cole's situation sounds bad.
Maybe this is a silly question, but should we be surprised that these injuries develop in spring training? During the season, they pitch at maximum effort every five days and it's reasonable that accumulated wear and tear will lead to injuries. But during spring training, when pitchers are still ramping up to maximum effort? Or is it more likely because of something from his offseason training regimen?
Or is "ramping up to maximum effort" just as risky as pitching at maximum effort?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 14 March 2024 08:37 (nine months ago) link
Cole throws fast and has never been injured. It’s unfortunate but I doubt it’s remotely related to spring training, ligaments only have so much in them
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 14 March 2024 08:45 (nine months ago) link
Sources: Eury Perez is slated to visit noted surgeon Keith Meister in Texas in coming days https://t.co/NDTFVjJfUY— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) March 16, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 16 March 2024 20:36 (nine months ago) link
Come on
Shane Bieber needs elbow surgery. He had pain after his Opening Day start that continued through his outing in Seattle. Imaging revealed an injury to the same ligament that gave him trouble last year. Surgery was determined to be the best path forward this time.— Mandy Bell (@MandyBell02) April 6, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:12 (eight months ago) link
Plus now we're waiting on news about Strider 😔
― omar little, Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:25 (eight months ago) link
This is incredibly depressing
Shane Bieber - Tommy JohnEury Pérez - TJFelix Bautista - TJLucas Giolito - TJShane McClanahan - TJJacob deGrom - TJSandy Alcantara - TJWalker Buehler - returning from TJRobbie Ray - returning from TJDustin May - returning from TJGerrit Cole - elbow inflammationSpencer…— nugget chef (@jayhaykid) April 6, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 20:43 (eight months ago) link
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39888847/braves-ace-spencer-strider-ucl-damage-right-elbow
― omar little, Saturday, 6 April 2024 21:22 (eight months ago) link
Oops sorry gyac for some reason I didn't see your comment below
Real bummer, just absolutely nightmarish casualty count among SPs this season.
― omar little, Saturday, 6 April 2024 21:23 (eight months ago) link
It’s ok! Yeah it’s really terrible, you have to wonder when it’s too much for Manfred, especially with arms as valuable as they are
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 21:32 (eight months ago) link
I also wonder if the brace procedure will take over from Tommy John in future
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 21:33 (eight months ago) link
guess i'm thankful senga is out with shoulder fatigue and not elbow fatigue?
― 龜, Sunday, 7 April 2024 11:58 (eight months ago) link
MLBPA released a statement. pic.twitter.com/BtI7T4nRmp— FOX Sports: MLB (@MLBONFOX) April 6, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 7 April 2024 11:59 (eight months ago) link
lol - yeah it’s totally the pitch clock’s fault this is happening.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 7 April 2024 14:35 (eight months ago) link
nooo. TJ is rough but has a pretty good recovery rate; shoulder stuff is more complex with no easy fix. it was strasburg’s shoulder that really did him in
― mookieproof, Sunday, 7 April 2024 15:22 (eight months ago) link
shoulder stuff is more complex with no easy fix
:(
― 龜, Monday, 8 April 2024 00:16 (eight months ago) link
twice-TJ'd tejay antone left the mets-reds game after throwing one pitch, clutching his elbow. not good!
framber valdez scratched from tonight’s start with elbow soreness
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2024 22:58 (eight months ago) link
https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2024/4/2/24118963/pitcher-injuries-crisis-mlb-study-tommy-john-ucl
Good read. 80% of injuries in the bigs are pitches. 36% of pitchers pitching last year had had Tommy John's surgery
― H.P, Monday, 8 April 2024 23:15 (eight months ago) link
pivetta and josiah gray, too? fuck, man. i hate this.
― j.q higgins, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:55 (eight months ago) link
Breslow said that the Pivetta injury is probably not going to keep him out much longer than the 15 days and the UCL is intact, so hopefully that’s the case but yeah, it sucks.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:12 (eight months ago) link
― 龜, Friday, March 8, 2024 4:02 PM (one month ago)
what do pitcher injury rates look like in the NPB?
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:39 (eight months ago) link
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/23259671211008810#:~:text=The%20MLB%20team%20had%20a,001).
Conclusion: This is the first empirical study examining injury trends and pitching characteristics between MLB and NPB athletes.MLB-affiliated pitchers threw faster and relied more on breaking pitches in comparison with NPB-affiliated pitchers. From injurydata, MLB players were younger, taller, and heavier with a higher percentage of throwing-related injuries, contact injuries, andinjuries sustained outside of competition. Overall, the MLB team indicated a 3.7-fold higher rate of reported injuries with fewer daysmissed per injury than did the NPB team. Competitive conditions are distinctly different between MLB and NPB, and thus, moreextensive research collaborations in the future can identify best practices to advance health and performance for both leagues.
Overall, the MLB team indicated a 3.7-fold higher rate of reported injuries with fewer days missed per injury than did the NPB team.
3.7-fold higher rate of reported injuries! ...............is that good
― 龜, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:40 (eight months ago) link
Tyler Glasnow said that using a mixture of sunscreen and rosin on the baseball helped him grip it better and other pitchers have said similarly.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:43 (eight months ago) link
Glasnow also attributed some blame for injuries to the rule changes for sticky stuff. He said when it was implemented, he had to start gripping the ball tighter which led to an arm feeling far worse after a start.
― H.P, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 00:06 (eight months ago) link
Hey Siri, please run some MRIs on David Bednar, George Kirby & Max Fried.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 03:05 (eight months ago) link
(siri-ously tho when I get a chance in a couple hours I really want to look at the savant data on these guys)
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 03:07 (eight months ago) link
Kirby’s problem is mental, I think. Whole team is imploding rn. He’s not good at getting out of jams. Like if you look at the most recent result, he’s fine up until he balks in the 3rd inning and it all goes to shit from there.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 05:42 (eight months ago) link
Bednar's velo's there, location is way off (only 4 of 23 pitches in the strikezone despite 8 swings), maybe no pulled pork tacos just yet.
Fried is one of 2 of the top 10 (Burnes as well) pitchers from 2021-2023 who is currently not shut down (back/shoulder) or in TJ Recovery. That's kind of wild to think about. His Savant page is v sad... a sea of blue except for GB% and low exit velo. His velo is also not terrible compared to rating. Is he getting BABIP'd? Will put in an order for a small plate of pulled pork tacos.
Kirby's 4SFB started off at 98mph but was gassed out at 92 towards the end when he got the hook. Only 4 swinging strikes on the night so his movement was not happening at all. This might be a full catering order of pulled pork here.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 06:06 (eight months ago) link
(for gyac: i ate 10 tacos next to jeff weaver last night )
RHP Spencer Strider yesterday underwent surgery to repair the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow with internal brace, performed by Dr. Keith Meister in Arlington, TX. He will miss the remainder of the 2024 season.— Atlanta Braves (@Braves) April 13, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 13 April 2024 14:14 (eight months ago) link
See you at the 2025 ASB sweet prince.
Now I have to consider dropping him in our Fantasy League because he'll be a huge question mark for next season and beyond.
I am a bit of a height-ist w/r/t pitchers & mechanics and I always assume shorter pitchers are doomed due to human physiology.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:41 (eight months ago) link
keith meister? was neal el attrache on vacation?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:44 (eight months ago) link
xp bummer. I knew as soon as he started getting those DeGrom comparisons something like this was inevitable
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:49 (eight months ago) link
xp
Trevor Story today underwent a successful arthroscopic repair of the posterior labrum, with an open reduction and internal fixation of the fracture of the glenoid rim.The procedure was performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache at the Kerlan-Jobe Institute in Los Angeles, CA.— Red Sox (@RedSox) April 13, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:54 (eight months ago) link
Happy 50th!
https://i.imgur.com/vAinJQ3.png
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:57 (eight months ago) link
who are the success stories for this UCL brace surgery vs regular ol' tommy john?
― 龜, Saturday, 13 April 2024 23:49 (eight months ago) link
It’s too new to know I think but Ohtani and DeGrom have both had it. Supposedly it’s likely going to replace full Tommy John in the future. Bryce Harper had it.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:02 (eight months ago) link
i guess since strider and ohtani already had TJ once and given the stats around twice-TJ its not like they have much choice
― 龜, Sunday, 14 April 2024 00:24 (eight months ago) link
Bobby Miller, LAD's SP3, just hit the IL-15 for shoulder inflammation retroactive to 4/11, not sure if it's legit or just a way to manage his workload.
I had forecasted some workload issues (~23 starts?) this season based on his IP history:
2021: 56 IP2022: 112 IP2023: 138 IP
...but this is coming a little faster than expected. LAD are no strangers to IL shenanigans but I sincerely hope Miller is okay.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 14 April 2024 06:12 (eight months ago) link
Robert Stephenson (who was supposed to be LAA's closer) had his first AAA rehab assignment today coming back from shoulder inflammation that shut him down in February:
He threw 4 straight balls, then walked off the field straight into the locker room.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 14 April 2024 06:37 (eight months ago) link
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 14 April 2024 07:55 (eight months ago) link
Bednar is b0rked
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 21:05 (eight months ago) link
Yeah the circumstances suggest this ain't a phantom stint :(((((( reports say nothing structurally woresome came up tho and he should be throwing next week. Emmett Sheehan recently had a set back in his recovery too, but Buehler should be back soon!
― H.P, Thursday, 18 April 2024 00:15 (eight months ago) link
stephenson is done for the year, of course
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 April 2024 00:24 (eight months ago) link
TIL Triston McKenzie opted NOT to have TJ last season (I presumed he did) in spite of having a torn UCL and missing 1.5 seasons doing "rehab"... uh...
His 4SFB is down 90mph vs. rated 92mph, currently 5.00 ERA/1.61 WHIP.
Oof.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 21 April 2024 14:40 (eight months ago) link
saw that spencer strider had a bone fragment that was 'growing' in his UCL. not sure if that means he has the nolan ryan self-repairing ACL super-gene
― 龜, Sunday, 21 April 2024 15:00 (eight months ago) link
Omg speak it into existence!
― H.P, Sunday, 21 April 2024 15:02 (eight months ago) link
LAD have won 6 straight, let's check in on their pitching status report after 1 month:
James Paxton: was supposed to start today on normal rest but now is not...?Tyler Glasnow: (DTD, hand cramps, pulled from last start)Yoshinobu Yamamoto: healthy (!)Bobby Miller: IL15 (shut down, will start playing catch on Mon/Tue)Emmet Sheehan: IL60 (shut down due to self-professed arm soreness, but team claims it's his shoulder which even Emmet is confused by official team diagnosis)Walker Buehler: IL15 (0-2/4.68 ERA/1.68 WHIP in rehab, remaining in AAA for now)Clayton Kershaw: IL60 (played catch yesterday on flat ground)Shohei Ohtani: IL60 (rumored to be available in September?)Dustin May: IL60 (in TJ recovery, may be back in 2024?)Tony Gonsolin: IL60 (had TJ in February after non-invasive attempts to recover from UCL sprain in offseason, may be available after 2025 ASB)Brusdal Graterol: IL60 (shut down due to slower than expected recovery)Blake Treinen: IL15 (27.00 ERA/3.75 WHIP in 2 rehab appearances)Kyle Hurt: IL15 (pains me to say but Kyle is... Hurt)Connor Brogdon: IL15 (recent trade acquisition from PHI, went straight to IL)River Ryan: IL60 (shut down)
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 28 April 2024 09:06 (seven months ago) link
Nooooooooo Steveeeeeeeeee, I don't need this information collated :(((((((
You forgot Gavin Stone, who was a stone cold stunner last start (don't look up the opponent)
― H.P, Sunday, 28 April 2024 09:21 (seven months ago) link
There haven't been any noted injury worries with Paxton either yet. Just a mutually agreement between him and the FO to pitch with an extra day's rest (same as Yamamoto iirc)
― H.P, Sunday, 28 April 2024 09:27 (seven months ago) link
I don’t know if I’d include Glasnow in the list, it was just a hand cramp and he was pulled after over 90 pitches. I was watching that game and he looked fine when he came out.Both Glasnow & Giolito were recently on Chris Rose Rotation and said pitcher injuries were (no shit) due to guys throwing harder and faster and not resting over the offseason. Glasnow got very frank with it: he said that kids coming up pitching today know that they won’t get drafted throwing control stuff with no velo and from the perspective of someone who wanted to be in the big leagues, he saw surgery and pain as a necessary price to achieve the dream, and said all pitchers felt the same. Giolito agreed on his episode, though not so candidly.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 28 April 2024 12:14 (seven months ago) link
Buehler about to throw his first start in nearly 2 years
― H.P, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 01:54 (seven months ago) link
Not terrible nor great. Fastball looked good, breaking stuff not as much. No walks a good sign. If he can continue working on painting that fastball like no one else as was his previous M.O. then he'll be looking good
― H.P, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 04:03 (seven months ago) link
I really like buehler, not just as a fan. I hope he can make something good out of this season. He's definitely unlikely to be back with the dodgers next season but I hope he can find a way to get a contract and build a lengthy career after these injuries
― H.P, Tuesday, 7 May 2024 04:05 (seven months ago) link
https://sny.tv/articles/mets-brooks-raley-tommy-john-surgery-ending-season
― 龜, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 11:29 (seven months ago) link
― mookieproof, Sunday, April 7, 2024 11:22 AM (one month ago)
mookie i am sadly remembering your wisdom re: senga
― 龜, Saturday, 25 May 2024 01:23 (six months ago) link
Tampa starter Jeffrey Springs, in recovery from Tommy John surgery performed on 4/24/23, made his first rehab start today.
He gave up a lead-off single to Cam McGee (.548 OPS in single A) and promptly removed himself from the game visibly wincing.
https://i.imgur.com/1PT1fMy.jpeg
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 25 May 2024 21:50 (six months ago) link
Kodai Senga was out on the field holding his shoulder ahead of Mets-Giants pic.twitter.com/BzSpAgPS7x— SNY Mets (@SNY_Mets) May 26, 2024
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 11:05 (six months ago) link
This year is wild.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 28 May 2024 16:23 (six months ago) link
edwin diaz to the IL with shoulder impingement
― 龜, Wednesday, 29 May 2024 20:22 (six months ago) link
John Means getting UCL surgery, out for the season after missing most of the last two seasons as well. Tyler Wells also out for the season for the same reason.
― JoeStork, Friday, 31 May 2024 22:15 (six months ago) link
Joe Musgrove has elbow inflammation, Yu Darvish also injured (not his arm though)
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 1 June 2024 22:46 (six months ago) link
San Francisco Giants starter Blake Snell left Sunday's game against the New York Yankees with tightness in his left groin in the fifth inning.
Snell was in the middle of an at-bat before walking off with Giants trainer Dave Groeschner and heading directly into the clubhouse. The veteran's last pitch came in at 97 mph before he pushed off the mound in discomfort.
― omar little, Sunday, 2 June 2024 23:04 (six months ago) link
What a year.
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Monday, 3 June 2024 02:51 (six months ago) link
BREAKING: Astros starter Jose Urquidy, recently pulled off his rehab start, will soon see Dr. Keith Meister in Dallas and could be headed for a second Tommy John surgery, sources tell me and @JeffPassan.— Alden González (@Alden_Gonzalez) June 3, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 3 June 2024 20:23 (six months ago) link
BREAKING: Arms
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 5 June 2024 02:30 (six months ago) link
christian javier is also having elbow surgery
― na (NA), Wednesday, 5 June 2024 17:05 (six months ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/news/cristian-javier-jose-urquidy-elbow-surgery-out-for-2024-season
Kodai Senga (shoulder, triceps) will not return in the first half of the season, Mets manager Carlos Mendoza indicated today.That had seemed like a foregone conclusion for a while. The Mets are hopeful Senga can return to throwing bullpen sessions next week.— Anthony DiComo (@AnthonyDiComo) June 8, 2024
is there another braised protein we can use for shoulders?
― 龜, Saturday, 8 June 2024 23:08 (six months ago) link
Posted on the Jays thread yesterday: Manoah is out for the season.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 June 2024 23:10 (six months ago) link
Manoah is a rub some dirt on it guy and im sure he’s had no ligaments in his arm for the last year and a half but has been to aaron rodgers’ doctor
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 9 June 2024 04:00 (six months ago) link
#Dodgers RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto is placed on 15-day IL. Will undergo further testing. Michael Grove also on IL with lay tightness.— Mike DiGiovanna (@MikeDiGiovanna) June 16, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Sunday, 16 June 2024 18:43 (six months ago) link
In the past 16 days, three Orioles pitchers have undergone elbow surgery to repair or reconstruct their UCLs.June 3 -- John Means, Tommy John reconstructionJune 17 -- Tyler Wells, UCL repair + internal braceJune 19 -- Kyle Bradish, Tommy John + internal brace— Jacob Calvin Meyer (@jcalvinmeyer) June 19, 2024
― j.q higgins, Wednesday, 19 June 2024 22:17 (six months ago) link
Patrick Sandoval (LAA) is getting Tommy John
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 24 June 2024 22:56 (five months ago) link
drew smith likely for second UCL surgery
― 龜, Saturday, 29 June 2024 00:16 (five months ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/07/01/neal-elattrache-profile-sports-medicine
― 龜, Friday, 5 July 2024 13:25 (five months ago) link
No players have come to rely on surgery as much as pitchers. In the past twenty years, the average major-league fastball has become five miles an hour faster. For the U.C.L., speed destroys. ElAttrache has operated on elbows whose tissue resembled spaghetti.
ElAttrache made an incision in Patiño’s elbow. He removed a calcified piece of bone that had embedded in the ligament. The tissue wasn’t shredded beyond salvaging—a beleaguered rigatoni, maybe, but not spaghetti.
mmm... pulled pork spaghetti rigatoni
― 龜, Friday, 5 July 2024 13:37 (five months ago) link
Tyler Glasnow has a back injury
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 23:01 (five months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Xrt2MdM.png
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 23:55 (five months ago) link
Technically a pitcher injury: don't snub the Cub
https://www.koin.com/news/cubs-reliever-breaks-hand-punching-dugout-wall-will-miss-60-days/
― felicity, Thursday, 11 July 2024 00:06 (five months ago) link
God what an IL
― H.P, Thursday, 11 July 2024 00:22 (five months ago) link
On the bright side, rookies Stone and Knack have been great so far, and Paxton has been serviceable enough, running a league average ERA yet hoisting a 7-2 record. Now what to do with the other two starting spots.........
― H.P, Thursday, 11 July 2024 00:28 (five months ago) link
“My intention wasn’t to break my hand,” Brewer told reporters Sunday
ahhhhhh, glad he cleared that up
pulled pork UCLs, noodle arms and popcorn knuckles
― Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Thursday, 11 July 2024 00:44 (five months ago) link
You've heard of the Remlinger Chair? Here is the Brewer Wall.
― felicity, Thursday, 11 July 2024 00:54 (five months ago) link
fried is fried?
― 龜, Monday, 22 July 2024 13:01 (five months ago) link
Forearm injury? Who knows what that means. Sucks because he’s been pitching really well and is entering free agency at the end of the season.
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Monday, 22 July 2024 13:17 (five months ago) link
tbh i just wanted to say fried is fried
― 龜, Monday, 22 July 2024 13:19 (five months ago) link
soon to be freed
― Michael F Gill, Monday, 22 July 2024 19:44 (five months ago) link
RHP Christian Scott has been placed on the 15-day IL, retroactive to July 22, with a right UCL sprain.LHP Alex Young has been recalled from Triple-A Syracuse.— New York Mets (@Mets) July 23, 2024
― 龜, Tuesday, 23 July 2024 21:02 (five months ago) link
Ok
The Oakland A’s have placed right-handed pitcher Mason Miller on the 15-day injured list retroactive to July 23 with a broken left hand and reinstated right-handed pitcher Ross Stripling from the injured list.— Oakland A's Communications (@AthleticsPR) July 25, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 25 July 2024 21:51 (four months ago) link
Chicken strip!!!!
― H.P, Friday, 26 July 2024 01:47 (four months ago) link
Woke up early to watch Kershaw pitch again and was not dissapointed. Sloppy start of the 3rd but locked it down with 3 strike outs. His curve and slider look like they're going to take him the distance. Around 50 strike outs away from 3000. Wife crying from the stands, big thing for him to be back. So lucky to be watching him throw at this level still
― H.P, Friday, 26 July 2024 01:52 (four months ago) link
Kodai Senga reinjured on his first start of the year 😞
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 27 July 2024 20:47 (four months ago) link
It wasn’t anything arm related though. Unpulled pork.
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 27 July 2024 20:49 (four months ago) link
“thread of pitcher injuries”!
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 27 July 2024 22:51 (four months ago) link
Breaking: Mets manager Carlos Mendoza said “it’s pretty fair to say” Kodai Senga is done for the “regular season.”— Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) July 27, 2024
― 龜, Sunday, 28 July 2024 03:00 (four months ago) link
that's some tulo/ellsbury-with-the-yankees shit
― mookieproof, Sunday, 28 July 2024 03:16 (four months ago) link
xp lol, zing cuts off the end of the thread name for me so i forgot that was there
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 28 July 2024 17:03 (four months ago) link
reynaldo lopez pulled after 3 shutout innings with 'forearm tightness'
― 龜, Sunday, 28 July 2024 19:10 (four months ago) link
not sure it was mentioned, Tiedemann getting the TJ tm
― francisF, Monday, 29 July 2024 14:28 (four months ago) link
Woke up in the middle of the night and saw this happen after 2 batters while checking scores of live games, really awful
Brusdar Graterol had spent all season rehabbing a shoulder injury. Eight pitches into his return tonight, he grabbed at his right leg and had to be helped off the field. Tough scene.— Alden González (@Alden_Gonzalez) August 7, 2024
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 7 August 2024 08:21 (four months ago) link
river ryan, we hardly knew ye
― 龜, Tuesday, 13 August 2024 21:22 (four months ago) link
The ticking time bomb of a Dodger rookie starter. It never changes
― H.P, Tuesday, 13 August 2024 23:36 (four months ago) link
He looked incredible in his four games :(
― H.P, Tuesday, 13 August 2024 23:37 (four months ago) link
Hunter Greene. I was starting to secretly root for him for the Cy, he was getting so little attention next to Sale and Skenes.
https://www.mlb.com/news/hunter-greene-put-on-injured-list-by-reds
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 01:06 (four months ago) link
Sale immediately goes out and pitches lights out. (I have something of a proprietary interest in Sale winning; it would increase his HOF chances considerably--more even than the WS he was brought in to secure, something he already has--and rescue the half-dozen rookie cards I have from the dustbin of commons.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 03:18 (four months ago) link
Sale's sitting on a pitching TC at the moment (wins/ERA/K); pretty hard to beat, even if he's not leading in WAR.
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:19 (four months ago) link
Sale and Skuby Snacks are way ahead of everyone else in their respective leagues. Pitching has been weird this season obv, among the usual contenders it's not just the injuries but the absolutely disastrous meltdowns.
― omar little, Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:42 (four months ago) link
Pitching clock has an impact on the meltdowns right? Because there’s no real opportunity for the pitcher to leave the mound & clear their head, and the limitation of mound visits means they need to be saved.
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:53 (four months ago) link
Also, Tyler Glasnow has elbow tendinitis
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:54 (four months ago) link
Probably a moot point now, but even after Sale's start yesterday, bWAR is still:
1. Greene • CIN 5.42. Sale • ATL 4.53. Skenes • PIT 4.0
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 16:59 (four months ago) link
fangraphs has Sale way ahead of Greene, 5.2 to 3.7 iirc. Greene is outstanding but it's hard for me to really think of him as performing better than Sale this season esp to the degree b-ref's model believes.
― omar little, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:06 (four months ago) link
When I look at them side-by-side, BRef's ranking doesn't make much sense to me.
Sale is ahead in: ERA, ERA+, FIP (huge margin), WHIP, BB/9, K/9.Greene is ahead in: IP (2.2 more than Sale), H/9.
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:14 (four months ago) link
bWAR uses RA9, fWAR uses FIP
― z_tbd, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:20 (four months ago) link
Sale leads in RA9, too, 2.69 to Greene's 2.89. Anyway, I won't go on about it, I know this is not the thread, and Greene's injury effectively ends his chances anyway.
― clemenza, Sunday, 18 August 2024 17:27 (four months ago) link
Tyler Glasnow likely out for the rest of the year.
Tyler Glasnow has a “sprained elbow,” Dave Roberts said. His return this season is “highly unlikely.”— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) September 14, 2024
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Saturday, 14 September 2024 22:34 (three months ago) link
What's hurting the Orioles most right now is their inability to hit, but still, you have to wonder how this season would look if they had more than two of their original five starters pitching.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 14 September 2024 22:54 (three months ago) link
mets played three straight bullpen games against the reds, then they went to toronto and the jays also trotted out a bullpen game.
wonder what's the record for most consecutive bullpen games faced?
― 龜, Sunday, 15 September 2024 02:51 (three months ago) link
News: New York Mets RHP Christian Scott (@chscott8) will undergo a combined traditional TJ ligament replacement along with the internal brace, what is known as a hybrid procedure, performed by Dr. Keith Meister, early next week. We look forward to supporting him through his…— Nate Heisler (@Nate_Heisler) September 18, 2024
oof
― 龜, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 16:42 (three months ago) link
Isn’t he a recent call up?!
― Romy Gonzalez’s utility infusion (gyac), Wednesday, 18 September 2024 16:44 (three months ago) link
yeh, 9 games pitched this year
― 龜, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 16:46 (three months ago) link
He was doing well in triple a and probably would not have been called up if it wasn’t for other Mets pitching injuries.
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 18 September 2024 19:45 (three months ago) link
reds threw three straight bullpen games against the mets, and now they lost another starter?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/41317380/reds-pitcher-brandon-williamson-tommy-john-surgery
― 龜, Thursday, 19 September 2024 14:23 (three months ago) link
pulled skyline chili with reds sauce
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 19 September 2024 15:26 (three months ago) link
musgrove…
― 龜, Friday, 4 October 2024 22:49 (two months ago) link
Padres right-hander Joe Musgrove has suffered damage to the ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow and will undergo Tommy John surgery, per general manager A.J. Preller.
― Bee OK, Friday, 4 October 2024 23:08 (two months ago) link
yikes
― mookieproof, Friday, 4 October 2024 23:08 (two months ago) link
😬
― H.P, Friday, 4 October 2024 23:11 (two months ago) link
Musgrove missed a lot of time with a shoulder injury earlier in the year, which honestly feels more ominous than a first time TJ
― gyac, Saturday, 5 October 2024 00:01 (two months ago) link
so what's kershaw's toe look like now - custard tart?
― 龜, Sunday, 6 October 2024 00:26 (two months ago) link
🤢
― H.P, Sunday, 6 October 2024 01:15 (two months ago) link
Jeff Passan wrote about a recent MLB report on arm injuries: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/43024395/mlb-2024-pitching-injury-report-study-takeaways-analysisFindings probably won’t shock you, but some interesting commentary:
Partially at fault, the report posits, is that MLB teams' response to this has not been to change the behaviors antithetical to health but rather work around them. More teams have resigned themselves to arm injuries and instead sought roster depth, taking advantage of rules that allow them to churn their pitching staff. In each of the last four years, teams have averaged more than 32 pitchers used per season. In 2010 that number was 22.8, in 2000 22.5, in 1990 20 and in 1980 15.1.
― gyac, Tuesday, 17 December 2024 20:30 (six days ago) link
I'm not sure what the solution is here. Reducing workloads and improved training will help, but the real issue is the obsession with velocity and spin rate, and I don't see that going away soon.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 08:20 (five days ago) link
I'm happy that MLB did this study though, their findings are important.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 18 December 2024 08:21 (five days ago) link
it is kinda wild that teenagers are playing 70+ games a year
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 18 December 2024 13:39 (five days ago) link
Anyone who hasn’t read The Arm yet should
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 December 2024 03:53 (four days ago) link