The Rolling 2005 BOSTON RED SOX THREAD

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David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

And, just to get this out of my system (& hopefully, the system of all other Sox fans that'll post or lurk on this thread): WELLS SUCKS RENTERIA SUCKS GO BACK TO THAT SALLY LEAGUE YOU FAT OLD OVERPAID BASTARDS

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Clement (sans chin moss) is looking pretty good, & would probably be in a tie game right now were it not for RENTERIA!

So, of course, as I type this, Womack somehow ends up on 2nd base after hitting a single, & Jeter's at 3-1. Wheeee.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh, it's that "stolen base" thing. I heard about that.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

why are they hitting nixon in the two slot??? that doesn't make sense to me. isn't that where renteria should be hitting? (or maybe trot's #2 against righties and edgar is #2 against lefties?)(also, is it too early to call renteria the worst offseason signing? why sign a ss who can't hit righties???)

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Just so I'm still the only one posting to this thread, & just so I can post a question about the Cubs in a Red Sox thread as well: in that situation in the bottom of the 4th (1st & 2nd, 2 outs, heart-of-the-order guy @ the plate after a 5-pitch walk), would Dusty have yanked Clement? I remember him having a notoriously short leash w/ MC (which I'm thankful for).

The guy they should probably have @ the #2 slot is the guy that thrived in that spot last year - Mark F&*#(ing Bellhorn. I don't mind Nixon up there, tho - he'll see some strikes w/ Manny behind him, and he can handle a fastball (& I still say he could hold his own against most lefties, tho I don't mind him riding the pine against folks like RJ). Renteria should be a bottom-order guy, w/ Varitek hitting 6th.

&, Yanc3, in Red Sox Nation, it's never too early for anything. I imagine the Woe Is Me Brigade saddled up after Sunday night's debacle. (NOTE: the Red Sox have lost FIVE consecutive Opening Days.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

blake neal added a "fucking" to his name after two batters!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Ugh. I don't see Clement getting to start the 6th @ this rate. 4 Ks + 3 BBs + RENTERIA = way too many pitches. Also, spotting each hitter 2 balls doesn't help, MATTHEW.

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That's BLAINE. Blaine F#&@in' Neal.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS IN BLAINE

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

RED WHITE AND BLAINE

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Tony nooooooooooooooooo!

John Halama + Jorge Posada = Yankee bingo. (This is a prediction, not a fact.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Let me rephrase that: John Halama + 2 guys on base + Jason Giambi = Yankee bingo (again, prediction).

ESPN's page is showing a recap of the Yankee's 3-run rally. What're you guys hinting at, huh?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

GIAMBI BEANED FOR THE THIRD TIME IN TWO GAMES

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

apparently francona has some thoughts on steriods he'd like to make known

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Dude probably set up a TV tray right over home plate. That first "beaning" on Sunday, he just twitched his right arm & "braced" for "impact". Very smooth.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Oh Bernie you sexxxy slow-footed gimpy mothertrucker.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

GOOD JOB MANNY, AT LEAST YOU DIDN'T K OUT THIS TIME.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Ha - Leeee stole my post!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh look - Edgar is up w/ 2 men on. 3:2 odds he grounds to Jetes for a double play (or error).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

MY SS IS BROKEN.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

DO NOT DOUBT ME

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Can I just say there's nothing better than getting all irrationally stupid about a team's / player's crapitude after 1.5 games? I love baseball.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

WE WANT NOMAR

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I love you guys!

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Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Barring Joe yanking Pavano for the ass end of his bullpen, no doubt the NY press will spin these first two games to the teasing sing-songy tune of "nyah nyah ne-nyah nyah; our free agents are better than yours; they can't handle the pressure; we're the better franchise". And they'll bring up that near-double Tony Clark hit against Pedro in last year's ALCS.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE YOU MIKE STANTON

These ex-Met ballpeeners are very generous.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

And how here's where I eat my words because of an ex-D-Back reliever doing his Charlie Sheen impersonation.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

i like that francona just used foulke in the 8th. a good sign!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Francona was doing that last year, too! (Esp. in the playoffs, obviously.)

Bullpen looks a lot better today. Thanks to Tony Womack again for working Keith Foulke for ONE PITCH. I think the guy likes playing defense / spitting seeds.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Woo HOO on the live scoreboard! What kinda pitch?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

"At today's matinee, the role of Braden Looper will be played by..."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

FUCK

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

as if we have no one to work the fucking eighth inning jesus christ

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

MORBIUS WITH THE JINX!

Yay for more dumbshit woo-hoo fistpumping.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Are they playing "Over There"?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Tracer, don't hate on TF getting Foulke in there in the 8th - that's the way he was used last year, &, y'know, that worked out pretty well. I want Foulke in there pitching in a one-run game late more than anyone else they have. And, shit, this stuff happens (cf., um, the top of the inning).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

and Mo Rivera with the win -- he's unstoppable, I tell you, truly one of the greats....how can any team stand a chance, etc etc

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, YES finds themselves with another "instant classic" to throw on their wankfilled Great Yankee Moment hit parade. Something to squeeze in between polishing Jeter's monument and Yogi's head. Also, Sterling now has a REALLY good reason to get shitfaced after the game (as if being trapped in the broadcast booth w/ Suzyn Waldman for 9 innnings isn't enough).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Hurlo, I don't know whether I should mail you a Vermont Teddy Bear or a JETER SUCKS / A-ROD BLOWS shirt soaked in Boston Harbor water.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

championship pedigree, been there more times than anyone, blah blah blah

i wd be interested in foulke's stats in the 9th when he's already been in for an inning vs his stats in the 9th when he hasn't (also i'd be morbidly interested in his stats after two more years of getting used two innings of almost every game) .. we have guys who can pitch the eighth, i think we ought to use them .. i can understand wanting get get foulke warmed up at the start of the season, get him some action but bringing him in when yr DOWN by one? it smacks of desperation, or point-proving, or some comb of the two, a bit like bringing pedro into a late-game situation to give up lots of hits in the playoffs last year

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

David, I'm looking out the window at Boston harbor right now. Actually, it's cleaner-looking than I would've thought...

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was a good move bringing in Foulke -- keep the lead at one, and maybe you get a chance (which they did, thanks to Varitek). The question then becomes, especially since it's tied, do you keep him out there or replace him right away, considering that you're at best going to ten innings and replacing him anyway.

Which leads me to agree w/Tracer, it *would* be interesting to see his stats split out for appearances of more than one inning.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

much like Dimitri Young's 3 homer day yesterday, if this thread keeps up its current pace, it will be 3,520 posts long by the end of the season.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

[xposting mindmeld with Hurlo]

i can understand wanting get get foulke warmed up at the start of the season, get him some action but bringing him in when yr DOWN by one? it smacks of desperation, or point-proving, or some comb of the two, a bit like bringing pedro into a late-game situation to give up lots of hits in the playoffs last year

It smacks of desperation to bring in your best bullpen pitcher to keep a one-run deficit from becoming a worse defecit? Funk that - I wish MORE teams shucked off that LaRussa-perfected micro-managed bullpen horsesense (LOOGY / ROOGY / LOOGY / LOOGY / ROOGY / setup guy in 8th / closer in 9th / backdoor slider / blown saveski), & went to such "desperate measures" to keep games close! Forcefeed me a Krispy Kreme donut for every time a game was put out of reach because the bullpen waterboy found themselves in a save-sized deficit game pitching fungos to a like-sided fellow w/ guys on base, and I'll be dead in 30 minutes.

HOWEVER, Foulke was pitching to the ass end of the lineup when he entered the 8th - I guess, ideally, it would've been better to have someone else start the frame, get in trouble, and then bring in Foulke to keep him fresher for the 9th. But, then, (and apologies to Joe Sheehan), if you're going to bring in Foulke in the 8th if your guy gets in trouble, why not bring him in to start the 8th to avoid any trouble?

&, Tracer, since I'm feeling nitpicky, that Pedro appearance in ALCS Game 7 WAS a bit of a desperation move, given how, at that point in the series, the entire pitching staff had thrown approximately 5 billion pitches over the course of 72 hours and 40+ innings.

FWIW, I think Foulke threw as many pitches in his 1+ innings as Mariano threw in his 1. But, yeah, splits would be nice (by inning AND by pitch).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

>but bringing (Foulke) in when yr DOWN by one? it smacks of desperation

David OTM. Tracer, I imagine you're not old enough to have seen it, but Before Bruce Sutter this is how the ace reliever was used ALL THE TIME.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Rollie Fingers & Sparky Lyle to thread to compare facial hair!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

BTW, Morbius, shame on you for playing the age card! Why, I have a very distinct memory, back when I was a twinkle in my daddy's eye, of seeing Hoyt Wilhelm pitch 15 innings in relief once. My, but that knuckleball was beguiling that day.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Will Carroll from his Sox health roundup on BP:

"Foulke is unusual in that he's used more aggressively than most closers. Of course, relievers did this for years prior to the adoption of hyper-match-up playing. What we don't know is if Foulke and other multi-inning relievers are prepping themselves the same way. Baseball doesn't change much, so the guess is yes. Someone ask Johnny Pesky."

And Casey Stengel would bring in his best reliever in the third sometimes. Did I just blow your mind?

(no, I don't remember that)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

You must've been getting leeches at the time, Morb. Or maybe you were zonked out on some of Grandpa's Vitamin Tonic.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Really, the blame for this loss should fall squarely on the shoulders of the new guy. RENTERIAAAAAAAAAAAA! (Jody Reed Has A Posse.) (But No Throwing Arm.) (That's Why He Played Second Base.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I'm aware that ace relievers used to work far more. But Boston isn't the Yankees; we're not stuck with an elite closer - and that's what Foulke is; can you imagine Tito bringing him in in the 7th, like Sutter was? - and a collection of "bullpen water boys," we've got a great pen and we should use it. We can argue about what's better, just having your closer pitch the 9th or having him go for more, and I'm not claiming to know. But I remember that Torre started going to Rivera in the 8th just about the same time that the Yankees started myseteriously not winning any more World Series. I ALWAYS felt like we had a better chance against the Bombers when Mo had already pitched an inning. Again, stats would come in handy here!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

But Boston isn't the Yankees; we're not stuck with an elite closer - and that's what Foulke is; can you imagine Tito bringing him in in the 7th, like Sutter was? - and a collection of "bullpen water boys," we've got a great pen and we should use it. We can argue about what's better, just having your closer pitch the 9th or having him go for more, and I'm not claiming to know. But I remember that Torre started going to Rivera in the 8th just about the same time that the Yankees started myseteriously not winning any more World Series.

Tracer Hand = John Kruk

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

But I remember that Torre started going to Rivera in the 8th just about the same time that the Yankees started myseteriously not winning any more World Series.

You're remembering wrong. I don't have the stats in front of me now, but in Rivera's postseason career, an overwhelming %age of his saves were 1+ IP jobs.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

You guys are trying to take away my cherished right to second-guess and bitch out the manager. Don't take away what little comfort I have left.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

Nobody can ever take away that right, not even by calling you Kruk.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Another blown save for Rivera today. I wonder if the Red Sox are starting to learn how to hit his pitches. I imagine they've had as much opportunity to learn as any team.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

I agree. Half of Rivera's career blown saves are against the Sox. He was 4-2 with 53 saves and a 1.94 era last year... but 0-2 with two blown saves and an era over 4 against the Sox. The guy's basically been throwing one pitch for 10 years now, and the Sox seem to have it figured out.

Shaun (shaun), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Are the B's on their hats BIGGER this year???? When I was watching David Wells the B seemed bigger.. although he has a history of wearing non-regulation headwear..

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

I've never understood overvaluing what a guy does against a particular team. You're basically saying Rivera is intimidated by laundry, as Seinfeld might say.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Or, potentially and more to the point, the players and/or coaches on a prticular team ghave identified a strategy or a piece of informtaion that helps them hit a particular pitcher -- that doesn't seem too outlandish or farfetched.

Nor does the real possibility that once a team starts to hit a pitcher, they gain confidence and a mental poise they might not have had previously. I think it's pretty clear that there's a huge psychological/mental element to hitting.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

True, but that only applies to a particular managerial staff & set of players - once there's turnover of any kind, that "X v. A TEAM" comparison can go out the window as a legit stat. (Sez the guy that's been throwing around that "oh Pedro's TERRIBLE against Baltimore" meme.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't know that that's entirely true, though -- imagine you're a new arrival on the Red Sox from another AL team, and you've never had any success against Rivera -- all of a sudden you're surrounded by guys who aren't as intimidated/flummoxed by him, and a hitting coach who seems to have productive advice.....not that it's a "measurable statistic" as such, but it seems completely reasonable that you could be more settled in the batter's box, especially if you've seen a teammate pop one over the fence earlier in the inning.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Mmmm, over a long period of time? That sounds a lot like the "clutch" mythology. Guys in the majors usually adjust, and aren't THAT mentally fragile, I'd say. How about Boston has had a larger proportion of the league's good hitters in the last 5 years, hence they've had success vs Rivera?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

No, I def. agree these effects would diminish significantly over a couple seasons, for sure.

I would be interested to see Boston's hitting performance v Rivera analyzed against the rest of the AL.

I do, however, think that "clutch mythology" is likely to have some basis in reality, due to varying psychological makeups -- just not close to the extent the mythologizers would have you believe.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

this just in: terry francona admitted to hospital w/ chest pains.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

DAMN YOU NEW YORK!

(get well soon TF!)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

BTW: two brilliant sidebar tidbits re: the first 2 games of the season.

1) Mark Bellhorn is on pace for 405 Ks - that'd be a record!
2) The Red Sox haven't been 2 games under .500 since 199something - that's fancy!

I love that first-week projected stat bullshit - it's sportswriters & broadcasters saying, "HI DERE I CAN MATH!"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

FYI: I'm on pace to bitch about or flip off most baseball coverage (print, broadcast, whatevah) 15,428 times this season.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

on pace hell, you've JUST HIT THE RECORD

seriously, dude, you need to chill on Renteria. or just to chill. (haha: a) look who's talking; b) rap0sa rulez)

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

do you attribute this monster pace to the cream or the clear?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

C'MON GUYS, I THOUGHT IT WAS FLAXSEED OIL.

MENDOZAAAA (Leee), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

mendozaaaaaaaa!!!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

JQ: Dietary supplements, good clean living, lots of coffee, and the horse. Also, like AC Green, I haven't had sex in 58 years.

Awww, Nym, hugglez & all that hetero lifemate stuff. For the record, my RENTERIAAAAAAing (& all Sox-related CAPS LOCK FURY now & in the future) was an approximation of the off-the-chain nuttery probably shaking the very foundation of the Nation, & not in any way an actual criticism of Edgar, whom I believe / hope will do just fine in Boston (though not as well as those folks thinking his 2003 was a run-of-the-mill ER year).

Also, since Chris Baby Bingo hasn't posted to this thread yet, someone's gotta hold down the shit/piss rage fort of luv.

Also, it's either me going BALHALKSL on this thread or me going BLAJKLSJALKJ in the ASP code I'm tweaking, & I don't think users want to see lines like "TAKE ONE PITCH MANNY" popping up in their browser while they're doing their work.

Speaking of BLAKJSKLJLA - 40 minutes till GAME 3 of this storied REMATCH of the RIVALRY cum GRUDGE MATCH cum PISSING CONTEST between THE TEAM THAT WON and THE TEAM THAT CAN'T COME TO GRIPS W/ THE WIN, coming to you from THE HOUSE THAT CAN'T LET FANS DO A DAMN THING ON THEIR OWN W/OUT BEING PRODDED BY TASERS & HOT POKERS.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

well, when you consider renteria's salary -- $10m per year, yeah? -- i think it's totally fair to take him on. not that it's his fault that epstein decided to create the edgar renteria great-great-great-great-grandkids fund, of course, but yeah, as rape-osa said his 2003 was a serious outlier. sure, he was the best ss on the free agent market, etc, but hello? dustin pedroia will be fucking amazing in a year or two, so why sign edgar to a four-year deal?

i don't even know why i'm posting so much to this thread since i am, really, neutral on the sox, and any love for them comes from: a) regularly schtupping a longtime sox fan (if yr a.c., david, i'm magic -- oy!) and b) hating the pinstripes like they were a 26-time case of the runs. that and i'm too scared to start orioles or a's threads (my legacy teams).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

What is it about my last name & dirrrrty sex stuff? Rape-osa? Rip-Ho's-Up? It's because I'm Italian, isn't it?

I hadn't even heard about Pedroia, but I thought Hanley Ramirez was the go-to-guy. & yeah, ER was the best SS out there, & I was happy he came to the Sox, but $40M for 4 years when you have at least 1 guy in the wings seems a bit wacky - if they could've swung the Roberts / Payton trade before that signing (assuming they didn't - I can't recall which came first), I think the Sox could've gotten away w/ Ramirez starting & Vazquez on the bench to backup / platoon / take over if HR falters. Regardless, I'll give Edgar a month or so before I start sharpening the corn cob holders. (But PLEASE keep ER out of the top 6 batting slots. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

SEVEN PITCHES in the first inning for Mussina? SEVEN? Do you guys WANT him to pitch another 1-hitter?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

E Renteria grounded into double play, third to second to first, K Millar out at second, D Ortiz to third.

UNGH

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

This is gonna turn into The Rolling 2005 Edgar Renteria Outs W/ Runners In Scoring Position thread, I can feel it.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Wakefield's career performance against the top 2/3rds of the Yankee lineup is pretty impressive. Maybe a .220 BA against in about 200+ ABs. Be the knuckleball, Wake. & breathe thru yr eyelids, too, just to be safe.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

E Renteria lined into double play, second to shortstop, D Ortiz doubled off second. D Rap-sa sighs.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

is three DPs in a game the all-time record for a batter?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

Not after today!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

well, that's what I'm thinking. I wonder if anyone's ever hit into four in a game? seems like it would be tough, but definitely not impossible.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking, if this don't right itself quicklike, Renteria might get a Boston Tea Party THROWN in his honor during the first homestand, if you catch my drift wink wink nudge nudge. Or he could just go 10 for his next 20 & turn into a folk hero.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

THE ROD IS AWAKE!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

fear not, jams.

i'm down w/ an o's thread. i though i was the only one! so this is what it sounds like when doves cry...

i'm very rah-rah that the nats exist, but just don't have that institutional memory yet.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

which is more impressive: that Bellhorn's on pace for 350 Ks, or Renteria on pace for 150 DPs? (assuming 500 ABs, since the math was easy that way).

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Renteria, w/out a doubt! Ks don't hurt anyone (if you can get hits when you don't K). DPs hurt EVERYONE.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh yay welcome back to a REAL YANKEE - yeah, I think Tino was the first one to hear Paul Revere ring his bell. Genuflect before him, and bask in the glow of his IcyHot.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

E Renteria singled to left, D McCarty to second.

VICTORY!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

>I wonder if anyone's ever hit into four in a game?

Among many, Joe Torre, I believe.

I can't wait til that Toronto dynasty starts and Yank & Sox fans are quiet and humble for a decade.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

You're gonna have to, Mr. Met, especially w/ regards to the humility thing, especially in Boston, which was a fanbase that was probably MORE smug in defeat than in victory (tho no one really knows that for sure, since they just won) (WE ARE TEH CHAMPEENS etc.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Top 7th - T Nixon walked, J Damon tagged out at second.

WHA HAPPEN?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

damn, that's my question! what the fuck, espn gamecast?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

renteria ground out with risp! yay!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

He advanced a runner, tho, so that's an Elias-Approved Productive Out, & I'll let it slide. Also, I switched from the GameCast to the cute & tidy ESPNRealTime window (courtesy of my roomy's Insider account). It's firm & fully packed!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

does that mean you can explain the end of the 7th inning to me, who toils w/no such Insider account?

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

No, I do not have that knowledge, I am sorry. Insider can only give me so much.

The three most painful words to group together in the Anglish langauge: TONY WOMACK WALKS.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Okay I take it all back.

John Kruk (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

HEY LET US WALK ANOTHER HITTER SO THEY DO NOT GET ANY HITS THAT WAY WE WILL WIN

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

HEY LET US FOLLOW THE RED SOX LEAD AND BEGIN WITH WALKING

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Outhitting the winners 11-3 would be a neat trick.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Jesus do they have Riviera's number or what?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

THIS THREAD IS ON PACE FOR 8000 POSTS BY THE END OF THE SEASON (NOT INCL. PLAYOFFS)

HI DERE I CAN MATH TOOO

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

the mighty Mo has officially become a head case when pitching against the sox.

Shaun (shaun), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Shove-Rod "juggled it three times," Dipshit Sterling says!!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha Shove-Rod. That's great.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Mea culpa, it's Slap-Rod, really.

Who's up in the bottom? Will Foulke get Mo another cheap win?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Bing Crosby, Martinez, Williams.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

EDGAR GET ONE HIT W RISP & EARN YOUR PAYCHECK

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

WAHEY

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

RENTERIA GETS A HIT

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

E Renteria singled to shallow left center, J Damon and M Ramirez scored, D McCarty to second.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Morbius should get a Purple Heart for listening to Sterling & Waldman. How's John's new playmate working out, BTW?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

PS - THIRTY EIGHT PITCHES for Mr. Sandman!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

ooooh, lifted in the ninth!

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

ouch!

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

I'd hope so! He pitched to 9 guys!

F-raud w/ the WP! Oh, to hear the Yank throng spewing their boos.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I've ever seen him lifted in the ninth.

Shaun (shaun), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Who's Mo's Daddy now?

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

oh yeethefuckhaw a double to Reuben.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I didn't hear a word from Waldman -- maybe she was headed for the clubhouse to do postgame? Yesterday she marveled -- twice -- that Nomar, Varitek and Jay Payton batted consecutively in the Georgia Tech lineup. She waited for a big reaction from JS, didn't get it, then said it again.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Must've caught John in midnap.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

i think we're gonna have to start weekly rolling 2005 red sox threads. raposa is outta control.

and i think three games into a 162 game season is a bit early to be bitching about renteria's performance. a lot of guys take a month to tune up, it happens.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Renteria just hit a two-run single off Rivera?!?! Who the hell is bitching? Jeez stop it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

stence, I know! I'm totally goofing on the Renteria thing! Please read all Renteria bitchery w/ the I AM GOOFING tags in place. Also, he's gotten a stay of execution after that 9th inning hit. Until Friday. (GOOFING!) (I'm surprised I'm getting nobbed on teh Renteria kvetching, yet no one's calling me on the GOOFING Wells / Sally League thing.)

BTW, I'll only be going post gonzo during the day games - after 6 PM, I'll be watching the games on the telly & throwing hissy fits away from the keyboard. But, yeah, I'm WILD!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

it's really hard to tell when you're goofing, dude. it's kind of endearing.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

I had taken to calling him "Edgar 6-4-3-ah" until I realized what stence just said. The man's a player.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

ha "kind of".

I think it's safe to say that I'm goofing all the time, except when I'm not. Don't go looking for any winkies. CAPS LOCK might be a good hint, tho, except when it's not. Or maybe I'll just type GOOFING every time I'm being cheeky.

Here's a quick & easy reference guide to discern the many moods of my posts:

GOOFING: "Speaking of BLAKJSKLJLA - 40 minutes till GAME 3 of this storied REMATCH of the RIVALRY cum GRUDGE MATCH cum PISSING CONTEST between THE TEAM THAT WON and THE TEAM THAT CAN'T COME TO GRIPS W/ THE WIN, coming to you from THE HOUSE THAT CAN'T LET FANS DO A DAMN THING ON THEIR OWN W/OUT BEING PRODDED BY TASERS & HOT POKERS."

SERIOUS: "UNGH"

UPSET: "UNGH"

CHAGRINED: "UNGH"

DISTRAUGHT: "UNGH"

HORNY: "WAHEY"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

I always thought of you as Greek, Dave.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Does Varitek get every third game off?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 7 April 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Mirabelli is Wakefield's catcher (because of the wile of the knuckler), so JV usually sits on those days, & occasionally comes in later on as a pinch hitter / replacement, if need be.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

Is it just me, or is the "B" on their hats LARGER this year??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Winning The World Series: It Even Biggens Letters

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Is that an anagram?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

If you say so!

WHIRLS IS NOW DE-ENTERING: BE GENTLENESS, TIT GIVER

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

i haven't posted because i am disgusted 5 games in. nice pitching staff you assembled theo...

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Sunday, 10 April 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Tino's batting 5th! I imagine it's something to do w/ his success against Wakefield, but, y'know, COME ON.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Yay for Doug E. Fresh!

BTW, Tino has 13 hits in 40 Wakefield ABs, w/ a 1100+ OPS. Hot cha cha cha.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

I really hope Big Papi wasn't dancin' off of 2nd base like Arthur Murray when that ER liner was hit.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

YAY SHORTSTOP DEFENSE!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

For the record, my feelings on this lackluster start by the defending World Series Champeens, chock full of non-clutch hitting, poor pitching from starts & relievers, & sporadic defensive lapses: meh. Talk to me in June, & then I'll bring the BURN THE WITCH fury.

BTW, I did get an explanation of that dopey 7th inning play where Damon was called out at 2nd on a walk. What ACTUALLY happened (as I saw in the game, replayed later that day) was that Damon ran on the pitch (which was ball 4), & would've been safe had he just waltzed into 2nd (or boxstepped) (or achy-brakey heart'd).

I don't know the official wording of the rule re: runners advancing on a walk, but I imagine it's something to the effect of: "Runners on base when a walk is thrown are allowed to advance one base freely, without contest, if the trailing runner would, upon advancing one base, occupy the base where the runner is currently stationed."

Instead of just trotting into 2nd, though, he ran full-bore - he was stealing the base, after all. Damon slid, touched the bag, and then slid past the bag & came off - in effect, rounding the bag - thereby becoming fair game to a tag play. And Jetes, being the saavy bastard that he is (or just doing what you should do) kept on tagging Damon as he came off the base. So, yeah, Damon was called out on a walk. Fancy.

Really, on a walk, it's within the rules to TRY and advance more than the one base the rule awards you; it's just not done that often, for obvious reasons. I think I've seen speedy runners try that on passed ball walks, tho (& I think I saw one runner actually GET to 2nd on a passed ball walk - I want to say it was Carl Crawford).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Really, on a walk, it's within the rules to TRY and advance more than the one base the rule awards you; it's just not done that often, for obvious reasons. I think I've seen speedy runners try that on passed ball walks, tho (& I think I saw one runner actually GET to 2nd on a passed ball walk - I want to say it was Carl Crawford).

This reminds me of a scenario we talked about lastyear on ILB when some team had the shift on Barry with a man on 1st. the team ended up unintentionally walking him and the crafty baserunner from first kept going to 3rd to beat out the shifted 3B to the bag.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I betcha it was Neifi!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

It was Grissom:
Defend The Indefensible : The Shift

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 April 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

WTF JUST HAPPENED?????

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

An asshole.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS???? Sheff just took a swing at some dude in the stands after the dude reached down for the ball. of course the yankee announcers are saying that the sox fans "attacked" sheff. craziness.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Dude, the replay makes it look like the dude took a swipe at Sheffield, not the ball.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

it's still hard to tell what happened. either the dude was reaching for the ball or was trying to fuck with sheff. looks like a bit of both. but sheff responded by jacking the dude.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. It actually sorta looked like the guy was doing a fistpump yay more than anything, & Sheff pushing him back at first was semi-justifible. But for Sheffield to GO BACK and start jawing with the fan is somewhat questionable.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

I just flipped from NESN to YES to hear what they were saying, & Bobby Mercer's saying that a beer was thrown at Sheff when he pushed the guy back. Sheesh.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

on the 5000th replay they began to question sheff's virgin mary status. i honestly don't think the dude even knew what he was doing. just some weird drunken aggro middle-aged gesture of masculinity. KISS THE SHEFF.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

it looks like the beer belonged to a guy two spots away from the guy who swiped at sheffield or the ball. his girl's arm was around his beer arm, and when sheffield spun back around, the girl reflexively pulled away, which dumped the beer out and onto sheff

metonymus prime (rgeary), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

he pulled an ARTEST!

metonymus prime (rgeary), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Meto OTM. & yeah, I definitely think the guy was just FEELING THE MOMENT more than KISSING THE SHEFF.

BTW - I! LOVE! EDGAH!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

ROID RAGE

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

Sheff Rage : Roid Rage :: Manslaughter : Murder

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

suck on my growth hormone.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 15 April 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

I am so, so glad that I went to Fenway tonight. Greatest thing I've ever seen in a baseball game; somebody threw some flying debris from the RF roof and nailed one of the cops after they intervened, and at that point I thought he was going to get all Ron Artest.

I sat up in the bleachers, and there was one big guy with Yankees gear constantly getting pelted with peanuts and beer all night. Somebody else threw up all over the person a few rows in front of me. Outside on Brookline Ave, T-shirt sellers proudly announced their slogans - "I boned Gary Sheffield's wife!" they cried, as mothers with ten-year-old kids looked on, horrified.

There's nothing like Yankees/Red Sox games.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 15 April 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

The morning-after reports are pretty Rashomonesque. The bobbleheaded Canadian anchor on NY1 thought Sheff was clearly swatted at; Jon Heyman of Newsday advocates for an Artestlike suspension of GS.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-sbhey154218977apr15,0,4203736,print.column

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Jon Heyman probably advocated for Mariano to get the chair after the 3rd game of the season.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Morbius, I seriously hope you're not insulting Pat Kiernan, the greatest news anchor in television.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

It's pretty tough to follow what happened, but being it was in Boston I'm not going to give the fan the benefit of the doubt.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

ditto. i actually thought sheffield was pretty restrained, all things considered.

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Looks to me like dude was reaching for the ball. Sheff sould be fucking glad he didn't actually hit the guy.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 April 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

The funniest thing about the whole incident is that Sheff had already made the play on the ball, but he hadn't throw it back to the infield. When he took the swipe he kind of lunged with both ball and glove—he tagged the fan out!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Sweet Jeebus - the hacktastic B-Jays have fouled off EIGHTEEN pitches (and counting) in the 2nd inning.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Schilling's offered 94 pitches through FOUR INNINGS. Dude is definitely not a morning person. (Or he's concerned about his wife running in the marathon).)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I am bracing for the Blaine Neal Experience (featuring John Halama on the flugelhorn).

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David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Whereas when the Sox make contact it stay between the foul poles! And it's happened a lot today! 9 RUNS THROUGH 3 INNINGS, so far!

2xpost

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

BTW - was anyone else aware of Renteria's opposite field power? He hit a HR to right center yesterday that made it into the Red Sox bullpen w/ room to spare, & the NESN crew was talking as if his pop the other way was a known (& expected) commodity. BNW to thread, of course (if he's around).

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh, the things you do to get a pitcher a win - 115 pitches in 4 2/3rds innings for the Schill, & he just gave up a two-run single to Frank C. Love those crooked-number leads.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Woah! Inside the park! The hell happened?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

How Not To Play Outfield In Fenway Park: M Ramirez inside-the-park home run to deep left, T Nixon scored.

[xpostage due!]

I imagine it was either misplayed off the Green Monster (both OFs went to the wall, instead of one going to the wall & one backing up the play), it got stuck somewhere, it clunked off a glove and rolled far far away, or there was a collision (which I really hope wasn't the case).

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

BTW, here's a fancy pitching line:

5.0 IP, 9 H, 2 BB, 10 Ks (!!!), 5 R, 3 ER, 117 pitches (84 for strikes, of course)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't even want to see Bush's line

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

HEAD FOR THE MOUNTAINS:

2.0 IP, 7 H (1 2B, 1 HR), 2 BB, 3 Ks, 7 R, 7 ER, 69 pitches (40 for strikes)

Yeah, pitching to 15 batters in only 2 innings isn't gonna get it done.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

2+ innings, I should say - he's charged w/ 2 of the 4 runs the Sox scored in the 3rd.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

This week's Cause For Concern in the RSN: Manny made 2 errors in the field. Whether his fielding woes coincide w/ his hitting yays has yet to be established.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Interesting: TORONTO MANAGER JOHN GIBBONS WAS EJECTED IN THE BOTTOM OF THE SIXTH INNING FOR ARGUING A HOME RUN CALL.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

There was plenty of uncertainty about the second homer in the sixth that drove in two runs.

That drive hit just above the red line on the wall for a homer, but bounced back onto the field. Third-base umpire Bob Davidson originally ruled the ball was in play and Ramirez stopped at second. Then the umpires conferred and changed the call to a homer, Ramirez's fourth of the season.

Gibbons rushed onto the field to argue and was ejected.

"I thought it hit the red line," he said. "I haven't seen the replay. Some guys have said it cleared. If that's the case, they made the right call."

from http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=250418102

o. nate (onate), Monday, 18 April 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Boston fans:

Is Wakefield gonna remain in the rotation?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

I heard either he or Arroyo is going into the bullpen, once / if Miller returns. I'd prefer to keep BA in the rotation, given the wily nature of the knuckleball. (Wells would be the ideal candidate to heave from the rotation, but he's paid to start, & I shudder to think how he'll do from the pen. Of course, if he pitches anything like he did against Tampa, he'll be just fine where he is.) This assumes, of course, that Wells and/or Schilling don't come up lame.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

A long time ago in a ball diamond far away, David Wells was a pretty good pitcher out of the bullpen. I could see the big boy turning into an Orosco/Mullholland style loogy and trying to pitch until someone quits cutting a paycheck.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 18 April 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Nice bullpen, goddamn.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

Second guess brigade ahoy! Francona pulls Manny in the 8th for defensive purposes, inserts Jay Payton. Aforementioned bullpen gives up 2 run HR, turns a 3-1 lead into a 3-3 tie. And, of course, in the bottom of the 8th, it comes down to the bases loaded w/ 2 outs and Manny's spot up. And Jay Payton makes w/ the out. Ay yi yi.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

So two eight-inning shutouts in a row now from the two big FA starters. Clement was dealing last night, no doubt benefiting from a generous strike zone, but it seemed like he could have threaded the needle if the zone was tighter anyway. At this stage he has to be wondering what he has to do to get some run support.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

yeah, what a strike zone! i mean, stuff both pitchers were throwing several inches off the plate was getting called.

that palmeiro call was questionable at best, but then again, it looked like millar tagged tejada TWICE before he got to first in the 8th. would've been more of an issue the d'oh-rioles actually scored, i guess.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

At least the calls were going both ways. Rodrigo might have even gotten more help from the big strike zone, as Clement was getting alot of guys to wave at that slider of his.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

no doubt (wrt the strike zone, anyways). all of his Ks were looking.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Incidentally this was the first game I have watched on MLB TV. Not bad! It made me want to buy a bigger monitor.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 22 April 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

12 hits in 4+ innings = not the way to go, Clem. Also, I'm assuming / hoping there are going to be about 95 doctors checking out Foulke to see if he's broken. His start this year is giving me vapors similar to the stuff Derek Lowe brought during his last season as a closer. Feck the Os. (Except Miggy - he's a dreamboat.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Also - W00T to the offense (which was being picked up, for a spell, by the boffo pitching) (whoops).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Is it time for a Matt Mantei as closer experiment? Don't see where the RS have many other options right now, especially if Foulke is hurting.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Ha - Mantei's hurt, too, and hasn't exactly been pitching all that well, either. I'd rather bring back Jeff Reardon or Lee Smith back than risk 'Tei-ing one on.

After looking @ the numbers, I take back my alarmist talk up there. This speedbump KF's experiencing is the type of small-sample performance that "made" Jerry Manuel pull Foulke out of the closing role in Chicago, which lead to the Oakland trade, which lead to Manuel getting shown up as a moran.

Foulke's "only" had two poor performances out of eight this year - last night (1 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 2 HR), and April 8th against the BJs (1 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 2 R). There's also the HR to Jeter after pitching one inning (April 5th), there's the 2 inning performance against los Yanquis (April 14th) where he walked 3 (0 R), and there's the run he allowed against the Jays on 2 hits on April 19th, but those two appearance I mentioned at the start of this paragraph are where he actually looked like crap.

And (LISTEN UP RED SOX SPAZZES) those two performances feature 7 of the 13 hits, and 6 of the 8 runs, Foulke has allowed this year. If there is ANY talk of pulling Foulke from the closing role for any reason besides him being hurt, I will take Bob Ryan & Dan Shaugnessy into the Bronx wearing JETER SUCKS A-ROD t-shirts, and leave them tied to the Yankee Stadium turnstiles. (I might do that anyway, tho.)

I just checked out last year's stats for Foulke - holy crap he was good! Only 15 walks ALL YEAR! The only comparable crap stretch for him came in late September against (of course) the Orioles:

Sept. 20th: 1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 HR
Sept. 21st: 1 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 1 HR
Sept. 22nd: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 HR

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Well put, David R. I didn't realize Mantei was also among the walking wounded. This just in: ^Schilling to go on 15-day DL with bruising on right ankle

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

ugh

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 28 April 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

JOHN OLERUD! Nice! Too bad for Dave McCarty, though. Maybe he can stick around Fenway as a ROOGY.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Olerud's a great pickup. Last year I found myself wishing they'd grabbed him for exactly this purpose. I still don't know what this means for Millar in the long run, though.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Monday, 2 May 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it means anything - they're going to be using Olerud the way they used McCarty. Late innings, w/ a comfy (but not insurmoutable lead), out goes Millah, in comes the helmet. Given Olerud's age & health status, I don't think he's good for more than just spot-starting & pinch-hitting, anyway.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad they're going to have a decent left-handed bat on the bench, but I wonder if this means that Robert Petagine's injury problems are worse than has been let on.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Considering Millar's offensive performance is sub-Minky right now, I'd say he should start looking over his shoulder. How many more pop-ups with runners in scoring position can we take?!?

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

If Millar continues to suck, this might actually be a BIG boost for the lineup - get Big Papi in at 1B, then rotate regulars & bench folk (Olerud, Payton) into the DH spot to give them a blow (mostly so YOUK! can get more ABs once Bellhorn gets off the flu snide).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

So when are they going to let Youkilis get some regular playing time? He seems to be a better option than either Mueller or Bellhorn. KY did pretty good last week when Bellhorn was down with the flu, just like last year until he got hurt.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Wade Miller is getting his first start of the year on Sunday.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 5 May 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

THE SAVIOR! Ugh.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the REDEMPTION IS AT HAND! or something ... i'm guessing he goes something like 4 IP, 5H, 5K, 2BB ...

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

actually i hope he does well, he's on my fantasy team.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

i'll be curious to see how different his delivery is.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Against Seattle, I think he'll do better than that. They've been in a super-skid, hitting-wise, w/ both Sextant & Adrienne (oh now droll w/ the sexism) performing in ways that don't befit their status as high-salaried poobahs. I forsee 5 solid IPs (about 75 pitches & 2 R on 5 H & 1 BB), and then he'll tear his rotator cuff, and so it goes.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Great, Renteria out with a injured hand. BRING ON HANLEY!

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Beauty of a pitching performance by BRANDON today.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

BRANDON SO HOTTT

Miller looked real good (esp. early on) (which is expected, I guess) (stupid WIKI GONZALEZ!!!) (nice work by Da RemDog talking about Miller's revamped pitching motion), Cla not so good, though it was nice to see him get some work in a situation more befitting his unheralded rookie status (that is, in the 8th inning of a 13-3 laffer). Pitchers really need to stop knobbing Manny, esp. since Jay Payton seeing regular time is giving me flashbacks to his whifftastic Met ways.

Millah is probably hitting well enough now that folks (myself included) can stop calling for his head, which is nice, given Manny's ability to attract fastballs to his head. (Also, I didn't realize Olerud was signed to a minor league contract - no doubt he'll be slogging around Pawtucket for a while, getting into whatever shape he should be in.) Bullpen still gives me the willies, though the Top Three (Timlin, Embree, & Foulke) have looked much better lately. (NOTE: I'd need the Angels bullpen in order to feel totally safe.) Orioles, Schmorioles (and YES I am saying that after Cabrera's PWNAGE against the mighty KANSAS CITY ROYALES WITH CHEESE).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

Also - Johnny Damon must not be gettin' any from his ladyfriendwifething again, as he's currently in the midst of a ridiculous 16-game hitting streak. And it ain't one of those 1-for-4 hitting streaks, either - Yahoo sez he's hitting .457 (32-for-70) with six doubles, 15 runs scored and 15 RBI coming into tonight's game, and he's 3-for-3 (1 2B, 1 RBI) tonight.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

hmmm, tonight's box score shows a triple... 3-3 w/ 1 BB

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

That works, too.

Poetic Justice Alert: Idiot Millar makes two errors that lead to the 2 Oaktown runs, then hits the game winning 2-run HR in the 9th.

Also - BRANDON STILL HOTTTT.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

I hate Millar...granted he won the game for us. But who the fuck is this guy to demand he be the everyday first baseman. What a shit bum.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Chris, are you actually channeling the disgruntled portion of RSN, or are you a free agent? FWIW, this shit bum is good for 20 HRs, a .270 average, an OPS above 800, and (most importantly to some) some good clubhouse moxie. And he keeps Ortiz's (supposed) defensive wanderlust from infecting the field.

Also, hi, 4 of the last 5, why you bitchin?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

i bitch because im a red sox fan. its natural. i know he's good for clubhouse chemistry and all that, but his defense is garbage. And i don't think the helmeted wonder is going to do much either.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

If anything, Old Man Olerud's got less range than Millah, though he'll undoubtedly have softer hands. Anyhoo, last night was just a really bad night for him (aside from the 9th inning heroics), and from what I've seen & read, his defense is a zero-sum type of thing (no real benefits, but no real detriments, either) (someone w/ the real stats, feel free to prove me wrong), so, y'know, he can stay.

And while I'm prone to bitchery as much as the next guy (see, um, most of my ILBB posts), the fact that Los Sox are 7 games over .500 w/ their ace A) on the DL for the 2nd time and B) pitching like crap when off the DL, and their closer trying to rediscover his mojo on the fly - I'll take that. Only 1.5 games behind the ridonkulous O's!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

i prefer my closer in MVP baseball "Gus Jablonski".

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

did anybody catch the cold pizza segment "bands peter [gammons] would like to see at fenway"? it's on here at work, but no sound.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

the chance that any of those bands are less than totally awesome is miniscule, i'm sure.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

THE MILAGRO-BEANBALL WAR II (first volley):

- J. Damon doubled to left center
- E. Renteria flied out to center, J. Damon to third
- M. Ramirez homered to deep left, J. Damon scored
- D. Ortiz grounded out to second
- K. Millar hit by pitch

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Foulke's still going through that rough patch, it seems.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Jinkies!

- K. Foulke relieved M. Myers
- E. Durazo struck out swinging
- B. Kielty walked
- S. Hatteberg grounded into fielder's choice, B. Kielty out at second
- M. Scutaro doubled to deep center, S. Hatteberg to third
- K. Ginter singled to center, S. Hatteberg and M. Scutaro scored
- J. Clark ran for K. Ginter
- E. Byrnes homered to deep left, J. Clark scored
- M. Kotsay walked
- J. Kendall flied out to right center

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Man! How much more of this before Foulke gets shipped off to the glue factory?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

Who's a bigger POS: Foulke or Dotel?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

O CAPTAIN! my Captain! our fearful trip is done;
The team has weather’d every pitch, the win we sought is, um, won;
The buffet is near, the cheers I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady bat, the hitter grim and daring:
    But O heart! heart! heart!
     O the bleeding drops of red,
      Where on the deck my Fantasy Closer lies,
       Fallen cold and dead.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

And the answer to g!'s question is ... DANNY "HOMER NECK" GRAVES!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
That was some premium cockcraft today on the part of the Boston bullpen. Nice of Embree to do his best El Guapo imitation c.2002.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Embree's been doing that all year, tho!

And, y'know, bullpen screwed the pooch, sure, but they're going for the series tomorrow. If they can win 2 games in a series, it's all good.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Fuck Keith Foulke.

Johnny from Burger King (tracerhand), Friday, 1 July 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

YES!

John (jdahlem), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

cuban b!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

First Place, people! No more drama! And Burger King sucks!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Ha - Burger King sucks so much that I had some this Friday, and then dealt w/ food poisoning from 4 AM to noon on Saturday. (That was probably the supermarket sushi, tho.)

Maybe Cla can pla?

SMRT SMART! (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

no sense in crying about foulke when you'll have wagner in 3 weeks GOD DAMMIT

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh, yeah, that makes pefect sense - replace one possibly injured high-paid closer with an injury-prone high-paid closer!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

whose contract is up at the end of the season.

ok, don't! fine w/ me!

i'm not sure there are a whole lot of options there, but it seems pretty obvious something has to tbe done. the sox bp is 1 man deep right now, and that dude's like 50.

guardado?

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

certainly seems to be a lot of talk about fuentes (in general, not specific to bosox). it also sounds like the bucs might deal mesa once there's a more solid prognosis on gonzalez.

...talk about ancient closers!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd rather Theo address the non-Foulke bits of the pen (Embree, Mantei, and anyone else not 50) in a cost-effective manner than overpay for the Prestige and Glory of meat-in-waiting like Jose Mesa or the Wag.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

PAY HANSEN

I'd like to see them go after Danys Baez, but I think the price is probably going to be pretty steep - if the Dodgers decide to sell I'd love to know what it'd take to get Brazoban. I've also got a sneaking suspicion that the Brewers might wave Derrick Turnbow in front of a few teams, cf. Kolb last offseason, but I feel like Mesa, Wagner, Guardado, or Batista are probably more likely.

I wonder if they might try to go after an all-purpose lefty as well, since Embree's nice and cooked - Scott Eyre, maybe? (I'd rather see them fill this role with either DiNardo, Malaska, or Alvarez, personally.)

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

DC OTM. No need to get fast food when you can cook the same stuff up yrself. Also, if the Dodgers actually trade away YB, and trade him before they release Scott Erickson, I'm driving down to Chavez Ravine and infecting all Dodger Dogs w/ Mad Cow.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

brazoban looks an awful lot like a kelvim escobar (as reliever) type to me. i'm not sure exactly why anyone would be enamoured w/ him (or why the dodgers would trade him). he'll be a good reliever, but i don't seem him as elite level.

baez seems like a likely option, and one i as a yankee fan would be able to swallow pretty easily.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

After years of closer limbo, I don't see the J's giving up Batista.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Foulke's apparently been dealing with tons of personal issues all year (a super-nasty divorce, if you believe the whiner line), and consensus is that he's hurt - Francona said that he's "dealing with a knee," which presumably means that he can barely walk up a flight of stairs. His velocity, never great to begin with, is down (his FB's topping out at 83-85!), and his changeup's barely breaking 80 as well. More to the point, he seems to be having significant control problems, perhaps as a result of any number of mitigating issues.

I guess the problem with any of these trade scenarios, like Dave pointed out, is that you're either overpaying for a brand name or getting someone totally past their prime (Jose Mesa, at this point, must be to closers what Peavey is to guitar amplifiers). I'd like to see them be more creative with their trade chits; I think Baez could certainly contribute for cheap, and even getting someone like Mike Adams, currently languishing in AAA, could help them significantly. Bear in mind, too, that once Schilling comes back, either Arroyo or Wakefield gets sent to the pen, which will at least give them one more arm that isn't flopping around in its socket.

And not for nothing, keep an eye on Anibal Sanchez and Jon Papelbon, both recently promoted to AA and AAA, respectively - the latter threw six no-hit innings the other day in his final Sea Dogs appearance.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

if his changeup DOES break 80 w/ that fb then you've really got problems! it was in the upper 70s last year as i recall.

there's a substantial difference between a superelieface like wagner and a quality reliever like baez. i have no clue what the cost would be for either; sure wagner wd be steep but i doubt baez could be had for a song (am i using this expression backwards? i don't really know what it means but i like it).

papelborn isn't going to be a great starter but he could be sure help a lot out of the pen. sanchez sounds downright nasty.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

also "once schilling comes back" http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-schillingrehab&prov=ap&type=lgns

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Off the AP wire:

BOSTON - The Red Sox are sending Curt Schilling to the bullpen temporarily as the right-hander tries to recover from an ankle injury, manager Terry Francona said Wednesday.

Francona said in a radio interview that Schilling will pitch in relief while he tries to get back to full strength.

"For an inning or two, he might be one of the best in the game," Francona said on WEEI-AM. "For now, I think this is the way to get him back and impact our ballclub."

Schilling will pitch in relief for Triple-A Pawtucket on Thursday and probably throw at least one more time in the minors after that, Francona said.

That would put him on pace to join the Red Sox bullpen after the All-Star break, which begins on Sunday.

Iiiiinteresting.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

Schiznill as the clizznoser for the rizest of the siznizzleson!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

not really surprised, at all.

i really hate that guy, by the way.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't that your platform last year, John?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Jay Payton DFAed, Ramon Vazquez traded to the Indians for Alex Cora.

Not that Dave Roberts was going to be much happier than Payton as the fourth OF or anything, but still. Interesting to see what Payton gets as trade bait now; I bet he'd look a hell of a lot better in the Giants outfield than Alex Sanchez, and I bet Scott Eyre would look fantastic in Embree's role.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

The Giants have Moises Alou, Michael Tucker, Pedro Feliz, Marquis Grissom, Alex Sanchez, Jason Ellison, Todd Linden not to mention this guy named Barry Bonds... what makes you think they need ANOTHER (mediocre) outfielder?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

at any rate he's prolly enough to fetch a serviceable reliever from somewhere, unfortunately.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 7 July 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=95283&format=&page=2

Outfielder Gabe Kapler, on a rehab assignment with the Triple-A Pawtucket Red Sox, is going to be in Buffalo for the club's series there that ends Friday, and then likely join the Red Sox.

``He really seems excited, which is good,'' Francona said. ``He must have had a hell of a time in Japan.''

Francona reported that during his time in Ft. Myers, Kapler caught a glimpse of former Sox right-handed reliever Rich Garces, who has re-signed with the ballclub and is currently working out for them.

``I've heard he's big,'' Francona said of El Guapo, ``and I heard he's throwing the ball great.''

Holy crap! El Guapo lives!

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

he's called "Supersystem" now

gear (gear), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit, just scanning boxes and saw:

BOSTON PITCHER MATT CLEMENT WAS TAKEN OFF THE FIELD ON A STRETCHER AFTER HE WAS HIT IN THE HEAD BY A LINE DRIVE OFF THE BAT OF TAMPA BAY'S CARL CRAWFORD.

is he all right?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

The Jays announcers said that he was conscious when taken off the field.

It was some scary stuff -- the ball hit him in the back of the head and caromed all the way to left field.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

I was just watching this -- he lay there for like 5 minutes, but apparently, he was conscious and fully aware when he was taken off the field. No further news yet, and I've left the bar where I was watching.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

"X-rays negative," meaning no fracture I guess. Held for observation overnight.

Concussion for sure, will miss starts for probably sure. Nerves about putting himself back out there as a target, not so sure?

Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, CAT scan negative, though I'm sure there were xrays too.

Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

any of you guys anxious for petagine to be called up? this guy's putting up a line of .336/.462/.647 in AAA while millar struggles to slug .400. wtf is the deal?

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Four letters: AAAA.

Translation: meh.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

3 words: roy fucking hobbs!!!

translation: YES!!!!!

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm sort of hoping the Millar/Mueller for Mays/Romero rumor has some merit for precisely that reason - not only shouldn't Youk and Petagine be in Pawtucket any longer, but I'm sure Petagine/Olerud could match Millar's production, even with regression. A 1.100 OPS in AAA is no joke.

Not to mention that I've been dying all season to make "Petagine's old lady" jokes. (His wife is something like 55 years old.)

xpost - My fear with Petagine is losing him (I'm pretty sure he has an out clause if he isn't called up by a certain date) and finding out that he isn't AAAA. I don't think we're talking about another Earl Snyder here.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Petagine does indeed have such a clause, though I'm surprised no one else wants to deal for him. His difficulty hitting big league pitching during his tenures with New York and San Diego is remembered not-so-fondly, but also put up some sick numbers in Japan prior to resurfacing in Pawtucket.

Gerard Cosloy (Gerard Cosloy), Thursday, 28 July 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Greetings and salutations from Planet Manny.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsox-ramirez&prov=ap&type=lgns

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 29 July 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

petagine called up!

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm just wondering, is it too soon to be a little excited about what Graffanino seems to be doing in Bellhorn's absence? Talk about an upgrade...

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Graf has been nice, no doubt. Looks like Petagine is hitting in the cleanup hole today ... NO PRESSURE.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout8-2h.htm

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

From the You Never Get A Second Chance Dept.: Mr. P is 0 for 2, w/ 4 guys stranded. And the Sox are down by 4.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

oh come on. bad luck. i hear he literally tore the cover off the ball his first at bat.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

I have no problem w/ it, but I imagine a few (hundred thousand) folks might!

Not that it matters, thanks to that 8-run 4th inning.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 August 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

petagine's reign of terror continues. he's got a line of .333/.400/.556 and i gotta feelin, fatman, he ain't even turned it on yet. the man is hungry, and he'll be slaughtering tigers for dinner & making a mess of the angelfood cake for dessert this week.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 August 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm astounded he's around! Fishin' with John Franco, I figgered.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Dahlem OTM, but if you're gonna make judgment calls after a handful of ABs, don't forget Gabe Kapler's .343/.410/.486 line!

Worse comes to worse, Petagine's a big lefty bat off the bench; I'd love to say fuck a Millar and start them both at this point, but that's never going to happen.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Monday, 15 August 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

David Wells, you useless shit.

Meanwhile, Youkilis goes down and Petagine stays up, as Olerud returns to give the Red Sox three limpin' first basemen (four, if you count Ortiz!). Can't argue, I guess.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

either olerud's going to get cut, or youkilis is going to throw himself off one of those shuttles. how many times has gone b/w pawtucket and boston now?

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Olerud isn't getting cut. Rosters expand in two weeks, let's not forget. There was a mention of this in the Globe today; Youkilis is in the position he is because he's the only backup they've got with minor league options; they'd rather play without him for two weeks than DFA Olerud or Petagine. (This is his fourth move this season, I believe.)

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/caron/08_17_05/

Interesting note from Tom Caron, too:

Reports on Hansen have been overwhelmingly positive. One member of the Red Sox front office said there are no plans to promote him to Triple-A, and that he could be thrown into the fire of an AL East division race after this weekend. Hansen will pitch twice over the weekend in Portland, and will be re-evaluated at that time. Don't be surprised if he winds up with the big club in Kansas City, barring any setbacks over the weekend.

It wasn't that long ago, while Hansen was still unsigned, that fans spoke of him closing games this summer. That projection might not have been so far-fetched after all. Hansen's fastball has been in the upper 90s, and stays down in the strike zone. For a bullpen that's been fighting to keep the ball in the yard, Hansen could be the perfect addition.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

theo when r u going to bench kevin "suck" millar and give robbie petagenie his fair share the man is a monster. what r u thinking.


rupe

rupe sanders (jdahlem), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

Jhon, please log out if you're going to be "funny Googler".

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

And Mike Remlinger, please report to the Yankee bullpen.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

hey man, i'm not laughing at what the guy had to say.

John (jdahlem), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

DID I JUST SEE DAVID ORTIZ BUNT FOR A SINGLE???

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 21 August 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

"Now we've got a new leadoff man."
--Red Sox shortstop Edgar Renteria, after teammate David Ortiz took advantage of the extreme infield shift and bunted for a base hit against the Angels (Los Angeles Times)

"That was interesting. Watching him run to first base, it looked like he stole something. Those arms were swinging."
--Red Sox manager Terry Francona, on Ortiz' bunt

"He said, 'Way to set the table for the big boy.'"
--David Ortiz, on what Manny Ramirez said to him after homering immediately following the bunt

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'll be! Didn't we talk about the likeliness of someone trying this on the "shift" thread?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Schilling is making his first start in 4 months tonight against KC. His relief stats have been spotty (HI DERE TACO) and frankly, his early 2005 performance was even more uneven.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

you know what might aid his rehab? p.e.d.

!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Schilling: Palmeiro has 'no credibility' to talk about steroids

August 24, 2005
BOSTON (AP) -- Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling said Wednesday that Rafael Palmeiro has ``no credibility'' to talk about steroids, and the Baltimore slugger's achievements should be wiped from baseball's record books.

In an interview with Boston radio station WEEI on Wednesday, Schilling recalled that he and Palmeiro sat together in March when both testified before Congress. Palmeiro denied taking steroids at the time, but was given a 10-day suspension Aug. 1 after failing a drug test.

``He obviously sat next to me in Washington and lied,'' Schilling said. ``I don't know that there's any way to prove that anything he did was not under the influence of performance-enhancing drugs.''

Palmeiro had 3,020 hits and 569 homers going into Baltimore's game against the Angels on Wednesday.

Schilling's remarks echo those made by Washington Nationals manager Frank Robinson, who hit 568 homers in his Hall of Fame career.

Schilling, who is scheduled to return to the Red Sox rotation Thursday night against the Kansas City Royals after filling in as the closer, said earlier drug scandals took away his idealism about baseball.

``I just kind of got to the point where I finally realized that liars and cheaters and criminals exist in all professions,'' he said. ``Baseball doesn't absolve us from being human beings.''

Schilling also said he would have nothing to say to Palmeiro when Boston and Baltimore meet Sept. 2-4 for a series at Fenway.

``I've never played with him,'' he said. ``I'm not his teammate. My hope is that Raffy does whatever he can possibly do in his position to help further the message that Major League Baseball needs to send to kids, to people.

``Whether he's going to be able to do that, given what he's done, to me, doubtful,'' Schilling said. ``He has no credibility, I don't think, in that area. It's going to be tough. I just hope his life gets righted and he does the right thing.''


gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

i, for one, am thankful that there are upright citizens like curt schilling protecting the unwashed masses from phonies like palmeiro and, in sooth, ourselves.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I feel like Schilling's Everquest ranking may have been achieved by means of performance-enhancing macros.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

HACK!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I listened to last night's game on the radio, and hearing the Sox strand about 3981 runners on base brought back memories of Sox / Royale tilts from back in the day (when Brett & Gubicza were still in powder blue), and how the Royales would beat the snot out of the Sox as Boston stranded about 3981 runners on base. Ah, yes - Greenwell popping up on the first pitch w/ the bases loaded fifteen times in a row. Sigh...

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 25 August 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/etarchivestory.pl?200508+fn-fn-fn-hansen.821-20050821-fn

There was a Sea Dogs game on some random Comcast cable-access channel the other night in which Hansen pitched. I know it's AA and all, but he's got the goods.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

i read his FB is actually a sinking fastball. how's his slider?

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Pretty filthy for such a young pitcher. He throws almost all fastballs, which top out at 97 (although he usually hits 93-95), and uses the slider mostly as an out pitch, breaking sharply down and away at 86-90 mph against righties.

Supposedly he's been working on a changeup, but hasn't built it up much past the low 80s; nonetheless, I see where the Lidge/Wagner comparisons were coming from before the draft. He's going to be really good; he needs to locate the slider a little better, but the velocity's there.

And his callup couldn't come at a better time, what with Timlin struggling and Foulke an unknown quantity. I have no idea why the Red Sox are still employing Mike Remlinger, as last night's debacle ably illustrated.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 25 August 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Schilling couldn't seem to figure out the bottom of the KC lineup and the MLB-worst Royals are up 3-0 after 2 innings (to make matters worse for Sox fans, one of the outs was made on the basepaths). Maybe the bullpen was a better fit...?

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 25 August 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

And now he hits Emil Brown. 4-0 Royals. Ugh.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 26 August 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

LOOKIN GOOD CLERIC!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
So Kapler just managed to hurt himself rounding the bases!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Call him Achilles.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Is Schilling back, like really back? The answer to this question determines our fate, I think. He was, as Mike Lupica pointed out last year, the difference maker against the Yankees in 2004. And that was when ver Sox had Petey. When Boston came back to win Game 4, there was this sneaking feeling already -- we knew we had Petey and Curt ready to go.

For me, it's about his fastball, and frankly, I'm not sure it's back. I didn't see the game tonight, so I don't know if it's popping like it used to. Francona claims that Schilling told him his fastball started "clicking" in the fourth inning. Setting aside the possibility that Schilling may have just been hearing his ankle, I find this hard to believe. Stirring the tea leaves, we find this quote from El Capitain - "You have to stay within and execute what you can do. I think that's the most important thing, doing what you can do. He found something in his side sessions that allowed him what he wants to do. I think he felt very good about it. At least he should." That doesn't sound like "the flame is back, baby!" It sounds like Schilling is trying to figure out very quickly how to be a Maddux.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Are you kidding? Schilling has made 2 decent appearances in the last 5-6 weeks (and yes, one was against the Yanqs but the other was yesterday against Tampa).

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Ah, but the key is they were his last 2 appearances. And don't scoff a Tampa Bay lineup that can throw Carl Crawford, Jorge Cantu, & Jonny Gomes at you.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

BTW, Tracer OTM like a motherfucker.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Nope, Oakland put up 11 hits and 3 BBs against Schilling last week. It was the fewest Ks for Schilling in a start all year.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

I mean I think I know what Tracer is getting at (namely, Wells and Clement have looked like dogshit leaving you with Arroyo and Wakefield to prop up your hopes) but really so long as Ortiz and Manny are Los Hermanos de Bash, I don't think you guys have anything to worry about.

(I wouldn't count on Schilling though.)

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I think the loser of that final series at Fenway is going home, a nice change from previous BOS-NYY "races."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Wells has looked like inconsistent dogshit, if he's looked like anything - dude can't help buy follow a shutout w/ 6 innings of BP. And Clement is Clement - he was a rock prior to his last two starts. Right now, thee best RS starter is Wakefield, which is not exactly hope-inspiring, but I LOVE THIS GAME and hope abounds.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

"2 decent appearances in the last 5-6 weeks" = not the Schilling we knew. Sean Burroughs could probably put together 2 decent appearances in a month and a half, provided they came against the right teams.

"Outslug 'em" was the Red Sox mantra since at least the Jim Rice days, and probably before. It never worked.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm ready for a Pay Sean Burroughs column on Yard Work.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

PAY BROOKS KIESCHNICK!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

GOD F*&#$ D****$*&#*A(((SD*F&

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Every pitch Timlin threw up there was a fuckin cookie, they just foul a couple off to get their timing down and then unload - what the FUCK is WRONG with TIMLIN!!!? DO NOT PITCH IF YOU HAVE THE 70 MPH FASTBALL DISEASE, MIKE TIMLIN. SEE A DOCTOR.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:02 (twenty years ago)

They're getting their just desserts. Man cannot live on mash alone. How the Yankees are living w/ fucking Aaron Small & Shawn Chacon, tho, I dunno.

AND NO I AM NOT UPSET AT THIS TURN OF FUCKING EVENTS.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 September 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

FUCK A YANKEES.

I am going to the BOS/NYY game next Friday. It'll be a miracle if I have any fingernails left after that one.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:27 (twenty years ago)

BALTIMORE -- To a paying throng of johnny-come-lately Sox fans, Manny Ramirez steps to the plate with the bases loaded in the first, and nobody out..

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

It is high... it is far!!! It is.......!!! caught on the warning track.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 24 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

The Sox are sending out a lineup right now in which the 7-8-9 hitters are batting .302, .301. and .308.

I'm so down w/Graffanino -- especially after last night's cool-ass clutch double in the ninth -- I feel like the trade for TG has been way underrecognized as a huge move for these guys (considering how badly they need killer hitting to make up for what they're trying to pass off as "pitching").

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/09/26/playoff_chase_heads_for_home/

Gordon Edes turns on the waterworks:

BALTIMORE -- The sweep of the Orioles accomplished, the road portion of the schedule completed, they're coming home.

Home, where the air is redolent of Fenway Franks, Legal's chowder, and Sam Adams beer.

Home, where Molly Walsh answers the phone, and Joe Silva and Mike Chester park the players' cars, and Joe Flanagan, the retired cop, stands guard at the clubhouse door, and the widowed but still-smiling Johnny Pesky, who turns 86 tomorrow, sits just inside.

Home, where Dave Mellor manicures the lushest lawn you'll ever see, and Andrew Crosby places the bats in the bat rack, and Luke Ansty prepares the players' postgame spread, and Bob Levin checks the reporters' passes.

Home, where David Ortiz pops some reggaetron into his car stereo (''Daddy Yankee," we kid you not, is a reggaetron star) for the ride to the ballpark, and Doug Mirabelli, without fail, stops at Starbucks for a grande nonfat latte.

Reggaetron!

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm not clicking on that link for fear that he'll quote Simon & Garfunkel and I'll want to slap him for that AND the "what is this 'reggaetron' comment" GET ONE EDITOR PLEASE.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

I was hoping I could find a picture of William Hurt with dreads, but no dice.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Except Jeff Bridges was in Tron so never mind.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

I think Snow was reggaetron.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

"For you see, it was widespread shortages of this "gasolina" that led to the robot uprising..."

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I coulodn't agree more about Graffanino (= I have not yet wanted to hurl things at him through the television set)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

Graffanino's been great! Let's not forget that he's playing with a sore groin right now, but he's still a damn good 2B for the price of Chip Ambres.

I think his addition to the team is definitely analogous to Cabrera's last year, in terms of adding infield defense and a major upgrade over Bellhorn/Vazquez/Cora/whoever offensively. If they're smart they'll resign him and give Pedroia another year in the minors.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

i've got no problems with alex cora, either. he's useless at the plate, but you can't have everybody batting over .300

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

TOTALLY BIASED POKER ANALOGY ALERT:

The Red Sox are like the guy that's a decent enough player when he gets cards, but can't do a damn thing when the cards are against him, and picks the exact wrong time to make a move because he's frustrated.

The Yankees, OTOH, are the free-wheeling asshats sitting to the left of the Red Sox, just raising and chasing flushes and straights, and somehow, after being whittled down to nothing, gets on a run where folks give him chips thinking he's bluffing when he's not, and now has a big fuck-you stack and can bully with impugnity.

The Orioles are those fuckers that have no fucking idea what they're doing - they gave the Yankees 95% of their chips in the span of 6 hands.

PS - I've lost $200+ in the past 3 days = GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

The Blue Jays are the team that plays ultra-conservatively, never going in on any hands before taking everybody be surprise by winning a huge pot with a full house sevens over jacks that NOBODY suspected they had because 7-8-10-J-7 was on the table and every other player was chasing (and perhaps landing) straights and flushes.

After this cycle repeats a few times, they're down to the final three and are short-stacked (but not by much). Finally, they stupidly go all in with Q-10 suited, land nothing, and are eliminated by two pair.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Tampa:

"Hey how do you play this game anyway?"

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Tampa (1 hour later):

"Damn, nice flush. I only have three 9s and this stupid pair of 2s. Wait - why do I get the chips?"

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

sox pick up mike stanton for the weekend

ts: mike stanton vs alan embree

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

They're both total garbage. Things are looking very grim right now. Yanks and Tribe both up by four, ver Sox down by two.

Sox hitters still absolutely crush bad pitching. The problem is, everyone else crushes Sox pitching, so it all kind of evens out. We are flawed, flawed flawed.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Now Clement's hitting people.

I think the NL wins the Series this year.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Clement cannot find the plate with both hands and a flashlight.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 September 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

Are Boston writers/radio lackeys crying about losing Pedro yet? That 2.xx ERA and sub-1 WHIP are probably looking mighty tempting right now, eh?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 29 September 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, like he would be pitching like that in Boston.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 September 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Frank Colanatto has killed the Sox in this series.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 30 September 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

you okay there, tracer?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/bdd_Chewbacca.jpg

bingo (Chris V), Friday, 30 September 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

If I worried that the World Series would dull the feeling of late-season baseball for me, I was wrong.

Basically incapable of functioning here while thinking of this weekend; I'm not one to lightly throw around Clemens comparisons, but is Papelbon afraid of anything?

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Morgana.

PS - I am no fan; I only watched a little bit of the game, after they went down 4-1, and then went to read comic books & play poker.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I think Arroyo should be delegated to bullpen duty, he sucks. too busy fucking college chicks and singing creed cover songs.

bingo (Chris V), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.barstoolsports.com/img/gallery/lrg42d531ee8e6a4.jpg

bingo (Chris V), Friday, 30 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what to look at; chewbacca pitching or co-ed boobs.

< / dork >

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 30 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

chewbacca would be a lefty

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 30 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

also kind of hotter than Butter Face up there. I vote Chewbacca 2005.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Is Butter Face the co-ed or the duder?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Her face seems OK... chewbacca is better tho, I decided. His bandolier is a distraction to hitters tho.

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

The duder ain't even got as much as Butter Face, dude. God seriously where you people at.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't say she's a butter face.
What I want to know is what's in Chewie's right hand?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 30 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Mueller throws his hips too early when he swings, has anyone else noticed that?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 1 October 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

its a glove

bingo (Chris V), Monday, 3 October 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)


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