CHW - BOS 2005 ALDS Thread

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We've been saying for weeks that the White Sox have been looking like a team that's ready to get bounced in the first round.

Now, with Garland, Buerhle, Garcia, and McCarthy all looking good in the last two weeks, I'm not so sure.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Here's a situation I'd like to see happen -- Red Sox jump out to a 5-0 lead in the first inning of Game 1. The White Sox have no offense, so falling behind early is essentially death for them.

If they can come back and win 7-6 at home in Game 1, then they'll make a believer out of me. Otherwise, their asses are going home in four and Ozzie Guillen will have to put off his retirement for a few years.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Wait, McCarthy isn't officially on the postseason roster yet, although Guillen would be nuts to not include a guy who was his 2nd or 3rd pitcher down the stretch.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

White Sox in 5 if not 4.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 2 October 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Boston in 5.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Boston in 4.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Boston in 4

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

White Sox in 5.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Boston in 4

gear (gear), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea. The Sox have been running on fumes.The Sox played over their heads most of the season. The Sox game one starter seemed genuinely terrified of the Sox as a Yankee. Is another ALCS rematch destined? An who knows what Big Papi's got planned?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

This is a totally different Jose Contreras. He's been confident and unhittable for a month.

and the best record in the AL is "fumes"? They won five in a row to close the season, nonchalantly sweeping a series on the road that their arch-rival HAD to have.

No one would even be saying a bad word about the Sox's September if Cleveland hadn't won EIGHTEEN of TWENTY games before faltering. I mean, what the hell can you do against that kind of a run? Cleveland was out of their mind. Doesn't take away the best record in the AL, nor that nice five-game win streak to close, with all five starters looking very sharp in the process.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 3 October 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

I have no idea. The RED Sox have been running on fumes.The WHITE Sox played over their heads most of the season. The WHITE Sox game one starter seemed genuinely terrified of the RED Sox as a Yankee. Is another ALCS rematch destined? An who knows what Big Papi's got planned?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

No one would even be saying a bad word about the Sox's September if Cleveland hadn't won EIGHTEEN of TWENTY games before faltering.

Hardly ... they were a Padres-like 36-34 in the second half before closing with those five straight wins (four of which were close, very much in line with how they've been winning all season). A week ago, just about everyone agreed that the Indians were a better team (and I think the Sox believed it too), and one 1-6 stretch doesn't change that. Cleveland's Pythagorean record is six games better than Chicago's, and you can thank a gaudy 35-19 record in one-run games for that.

The White Sox are a 90 win team, tops, who got lucky. Most of their starters have been wildly inconsistent in the second half, and their hitters can't get on base (24th in OBP in MLB).

None of this is news.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Red Sox in 5.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

Contreras' last 10 starts:

IP/ER:
7 0
6.2 4
8 1
7 3
7 3
7.2 0
5.2 3
8 1
9 1
8 2

Buehrle's last 10 starts

IP/ER

7 6
7 4
8 1
7 4
7 1
6 5
6.1 4
6 4
9 1
5.2 0

Garcia's last 10 starts:

IP/ER

8 0
7 3
8 1
4.1 8
7 1
7 3
5.1 7
6.1 4
8 1
7 2

Garland:

IP/ER

5.1 5
7 2
7.2 0
4.1 5
9 0
6 7
8 1
7.1 5
6.2 3
6.2 2

McCarthy:

IP/ER

5 6
4.2 6
6.1 3
3 5
7.2 0
7 0
5.2 2
3 1
8 1
6.1 3


Aside from a few bad outings from Garcia and some mediocre ones from Burly/Garland, the White Sox's starting pitching has been commendable down the stretch.

So it will be Boston's bats vs. our arms. The White Sox will need to get guys like Everett, Rowand, Crede, Pierzynski and Iguchi going, and hope that Podsednik and Konerko can keep up what they've been doing. I foresee a lot of 8-6, 7-5 type games and probably one pitcher's duel.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Excuse the shitty HTML there...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I cleaned up your post BBT.

Remember: the <pre>

tag is your friend </pre>
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g!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

"Commendable" ... let's quantify this ... a much better comparison would be 1st half vs 2nd half, i.e. the half when the Sox played .667 ball vs the half when they played .500 ball.

          1st half (ERA, WHIP)            2nd half (ERA, WHIP)
Garland 3.38, 1.08 3.65, 1.28
Garcia 3.53, 1.18 4.28, 1.34
Buerhle 2.58, 1.11 3.84, 1.28
Contreras 4.26, 1.32 2.96, 1.14

Contreras improved, and the rest didn't. Nobody was *bad* (except for El Duque, who lost his spot in the rotation) (Boston and New York would love to have those numbers from their starters), but when your team doesn't score too many runs (9th in the AL), it's enough to turn you from a great team into the 6th or 7th best team in the league.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Fear the Graffanino! I don't know why, but that guy screams to me to becoming a freak playoff hot hitter.

The Boston offense is just way too much for about any pitching staff. I like Buehrle's chances against Boston, but the rest of their starters I don't excite me. Chicago is going to have to hit way above their heads to win this series.

I could see the White Sox beating the Red Sox, but I will have to see it happen to become a believer.

My picks to click in this series are Carl Everett and Mark Buehrle.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Gygax!

And Mind..., where do the BoSox starters stand in comparison, in the second half? I admit, I don't know much about their stats but my impression is that Boston's starting rotation has been pretty brutal of late.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

Their rotation is definitely dicey, but they improved in the second half (46-28 vs 49-39 in the first half) so they were obviously still scoring more than enough runs to win, and win more often.

But with the White Sox, if the pitching goes, they go.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

Wow, there are white sox fans? I had no idea. Um, what MindInRewind said. I was gonna say that. So, how come there's two teams all about colored sox? I'm pretty sure sox color is statistically insignificant. My pick to not believe in dinosaurs this series is Carl Everett. My pick to get his ass handed to him once again is Jose Contreras. My pick to have terrible pitching that makes me nervous, even with a sizable lead, is the red sox. My pick to hit five home runs is Manny Ortiz. My pick to make people ask - how'd they win so many games? - is the white sox. And my pick to win the series, after some consideration, is the boston red sox in 3.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

I have to say I'm with jhoshea all the way, here.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Although if you asked Schilling if he believed in dinosaurs you'd probably get a pretty weird answer.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Manny Ortiz won't hit 5 home runs, because the White Sox pitchers won't pitch to them enough. Or at least I hope so.

Game 1 is key. Contreras vs. Clement.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:RXWEsiHprpYJ:us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/cn/headshots/tim_mccarver_2.jpg: "If we've learned anything from these Red Sox, it's that no lead in a short series is ever safe."

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

Manny Ortiz won't hit 5 home runs, because the White Sox pitchers won't pitch to them enough.

The thing is, you can't not pitch to both. That's the advantage of there being two of them.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Just cuz some Times columnist wrote yesterday, "Who can imagine it won't be Red Sox-Yanks in the LCS" -- and cuz I'm sick of the RSN -- Pale Hose in 5. With HOME RUNS.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

i honestly don't think i can take another redsox/yanks series, even though i love it.

bingo (Chris V), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

i honestly don't think i can take another redsox/yanks series, even though i love it.

Seconded. Last year I almost died.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

Morbius, watch out for flaming bags of poop, you SABR traitor.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)


Wow, there are white sox fans? I had no idea. Um, what MindInRewind said. I was gonna say that. So, how come there's two teams all about colored sox? I'm pretty sure sox color is statistically insignificant. My pick to not believe in dinosaurs this series is Carl Everett. My pick to get his ass handed to him once again is Jose Contreras. My pick to have terrible pitching that makes me nervous, even with a sizable lead, is the red sox. My pick to hit five home runs is Manny Ortiz. My pick to make people ask - how'd they win so many games? - is the white sox. And my pick to win the series, after some consideration, is the boston red sox in 3.
-- jhoshea (jo...), Yesterday.

I have to say I'm with jhoshea all the way, here.

"There are White Sox fans?"

Yeah, there are a few on this board. I mean, if you've been around here for more than
a day.

What is it about the south siders that prompts you to play this game where you pretend that you're ignoring them ('cos we all know that your vain self really ain't...)?

C'mon east coast...unburden yourselves. We all know how important guilt is in your culture.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)


"...and you are?"

Please. God I wish you snobs would all get struck by a New Orleans-style hurricane.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

there's no call for that, simian.

on the other hand GO WHITE SOX, eff a sabermetric fatwa

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Monday, 3 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

We all know how important guilt is in your culture.

I'm not sure I want to know what you mean by that.

Red Sox in 5, if only due to my abiding faith in Jose Contreras to turn into a human taco machine every time he faces Boston. Come back to the AL East, comrade!

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

DR, there ain't no SABR teams. The Chisox pitch, walk (somewhat) and hit homers.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Wow - white sox fans, toooo easy.

Listen, you're in the playoffs, time to toughen up. I know you're used to be ignored, but now people are going to make fun of you for being ignored and for not existing. I know it's hard to hear that you don't exist. But I think what needs to happen is for all the white sox fans of the world to band together, forming a bond stronger than east coast elitism. Maybe if someone has a biggish couch, you could all watch the game together?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)


Ohhhh...'toughen up'. Right. 'Cos you east coast people always tell people you're shitting on that they're 'whiners' and you gaslight them by telling them that if they have a legitimate beef with you, they just must be whiners and sore losers...'cos you east coast folks know all about the playoffs.

Please. We got this condescending shit from the Cubs for years. We know your gaslighting game...it's covering up for some nasty crimes coming from your side of the country. And that's one thing about the playoffs that you don't know.

Ignored, our ass. You know damn well that the Sox are a little problem for you history-wise, as if the Black Sox invented throwing games.

I can't believe you east coast types are still trying to slide this nonsense under our noses. Fact is, you are obsessed with the White Sox - to the point of lying to the press and getting your handlers to cause all sorts of trouble for us.

Does that make us 'whiners'? No - it means you screwed us, and it's time for you to pay. Why, you wouldn't even be coming here out of nowhere if the situtation didn't require one of your patented 'handles'.

Use other cliches next time. Irish people don't take kindly to being talked down to by their WASP inferiors and their lackeys.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Please. God I wish you snobs would all get struck by a New Orleans-style hurricane.

hey now, there are more than a few white sox fans on the east coast! i've been wearing my hat all day, man.

and hey, it's just baseball, folks.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)


Let's see....2003, the Cubs come thisclose to going to the World Series. Ooopsie, and how tragicomic once again! 2004, the Red Sox win it all....and then there was that nauseating HBO film months before they did. Oh, I'm crying my eyes out. 2005 - ooo, 'who's that' coming 'round the corner?

Coincidence? Oh please cut the crap, already. Awwww...I'm sorry things aren't as 'romantic' as they seem. Boo-hoo.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)


In other words, you can take your fucking 'World Series' and shove it, 'cos it's worthless.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Oh man simian, you are on fire! A conspiracy! That's much better than a curse. I love it. Besides the curse thing, it's been done.

All I can say is, give me more. I want details. Like, how exactly is hbo involved? Is it against just chicago teams, or the whole midwest? And who's in on it, mlb, the government, Tim McCarver and Joe Buck, Steve Bartman?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Check, please.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Ya... I think I left the... oven... running.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Patrick Byrne to thread!

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

What. The. Fuck!! Awesome. I already dislike the Red Sox and thusly rooting for the White Sox...now I'm really rooting for the White Sox cos this is balls out insane!!!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Speaking as a non-Irish ex-Catholic, I'd just like to know where I fit within this unbeknownst-to-me caste system, so I can wear the proper identifying garments when I go to Panera Bread this evening.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Ally OTM.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

STEP OFF TWINKIE!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)


Well...I'm above proving shit to anyone.

For starters, you folks are fond of show trials. Shall we talk about the one you tried to provoke back in 1992, or is this getting a little too ugly for you?

Fact is, they were stalking my brother when he was in Little League, fer chrissakes - how many other kids did they do this to? Oh yeah, and they've been harassing my family forever. Oh yeah, please do go on about how the Irish are 'white' and all...that really makes up for seventy-five years of slander, libel and extortion. Is it really that difficult? Do some research on 'nativism' and the fears regarding the Irish community and Irish power during the teens and twenties.

I'm fucking fed up with the bullshit, and I really couldn't care if you want to stage another 'show trial' on yet another bulletin board. Suit yourselves. Spend your whole lives in your vain morality play if you so desire.

Oh yeah, and the gambling thing. No, that's not a 'conspiracy'. That's the sort of history you might learn if you weren't masturbating to baseball statistics all the time.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Last time I was at Panera Bread, which was also the first time I was at Panera Bread, they gave me a chicken sandwich that had no chicken in it. Like a sliver of chicken. I blame the Red Sox for this, quite honestly.

xpost :D !!!!!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

What's a show trial.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I would like to profess my innocence in this show trial business! I have never, to my knowledge, provoked any show trials! I was involved in a bullshit arrest once, but no show trials. And I don't think baseball was involved in that incident, OR the Irish...or were they??????

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

well hey wtf is this

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Did I not get a decoder ring or something?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)


I'm sorry to make a 'scene' here, but I can't take these clowns bringing their 'oh who are the White Sox' PR bullshit everywhere, when they know it's bullshit, 'cos they work so hard to slime them in the media, even printing outright lies and holding the team and its fans to a higher standard than anyone else. And why would they do that? Feel free to delete, but these PR people have a personal beef with me and a few other fans and families and they know it.

simian (dymaxia), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

PR = Puerto Rican??!!?

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

...

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

See the thing is that, in reality, there is no PR bullshit about the White Sox in the media at all, cos seriously, who are the White Sox?????!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

but these PR people have a personal beef with me and a few other fans and families and they know it.

Are you like some kind of famous ChiSox fan?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

I kid, I kid.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Schizophrenia: C/D?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

http://i.timeinc.net/ew/img/review/010209/stone_l.jpg

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Ally, you are our latina. Weigh in on the vague racisim!

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

We don't masturbate to baseball statistics, we have Tantric sex with 'em.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

I am half and half...and the other half is IRISH so seriously, how can I comment. I am a woman torn against myself.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm half russian/half irish, i know the turmoil

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

i.e. "vodka or whiskey on my cereal this morning" lolz

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Have you ever tried to mix guiness and tequila??? You shouldn't!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

you tell me not to do something, i'm bound to do it!

gear (gear), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

kerry??????

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://yard-work.org/pix/william_ligue2.jpg

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

http://yard-work.org/pix/william_ligue2.jpg

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.patientpacks.com/images/stelazine_face_on.jpg

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

i for one would like more details here.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

The Baseball board now has its own Marissa. This is an auspicious occurrence indeed!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

i'm about 1/4 irish and my grandpa converted to protestantism so i might as well be, like, mongolian or something.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 3 October 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

As an avowed Chisox backer, can I chime in with a sincere 'wtf'?

I mean, we all know about the Eastern Seabord Programming Network's preferences towards all things Boston and Yanquis, but I'm afraid my compatriot here has lost me.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 3 October 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Where does ILBaseball recommend I can follow the game online without audio or video?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)


espn.com

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

OK thanks I R dum

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

mlb.com
or
cbs.sportsline.com

are much better IMO

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)


They want me to go publicly 'crazy', and tell all my bullshit.

I give it up. I give it all up. I surrender.

Why don't you people just fucking tell me what you want from me? 'Cos I have the piles of paperwork and evidence now.

'Cos I surrender. I surrender. I'm sorry I don't understand your little east coast social codes, but your code rapes and robs us, quite frankly. Go ahead - hire a rape like that Tribune guy did in 1992. Stage a show trial so that you can drag your mortal enemy - my dad - into the gutter. And oh yeah, get some provocateurs like Ligue to make the Sox fans look like trash. And you know the mafia thugs who wormed their way into the Tribune were behind that.

Oh, go ahead - tell me you're 'baffled' and all that. I love it! I'm long past caring whether you think another woman is having PMS or 'going crazy' and all.....

I love it when all you college pricks who've benefitted from the blackballing feign ignorance. They pick some to succeed and blackball others. That's what you get for having no culture, for never having to have to fight for your independence. You don't have any history. Well, the south siders DO have history, and the WASPs have never forgotten that. God forbid my family were Irish Republicans who refused to screw black people to get ahead.

Fact is, they treat the White Sox like their property...it's much more serious than media bias. It's fucking slavery and terrorism. They stalk the shit out of these guys. They act like they OWN them. The White Sox got blackballed. You know, 'blackballing'....it's an Ivy League thing? Or are you too irresponsible or too comfortable to know about it?

I don't want to hear anymore about how you feel so guilty and liberal for 'not knowing'. I'm sick of people who didn't know and I wish they didn't exist.

Go ahead - there's another straitjacketed crazy Irish troublemaker, just like my Aunt Grace. Go ahead and presume and masturbate to that and your comfort and your fat bank account.

'Cos I don't give a shit anymore.

As for the 'famous Sox fan' thing...well, I guess I just started sticking my nose in where it didn't belong a few years ago. And I now have two attempted murders in the past year to show for it (and I got the paperwork for that, too).

But sorry about that. Enjoy the postseason. I'm doing you a favor by letting you know how truly ugly your favorite pastime is, but no doubt you'll just chalk it up to Irish Catholic hysterical craziness...

simian (dymaxia), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't even like baseball! I wouldn't have even looked at this thread if I hadn't heard elsewhere that you'd had yet another psychotic break and had started barking like a rabid dog again.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

What I want to know is did YOU attempt to murder two people or was there an attempt on you? Cos I totally believe you'd kill two people, no paperwork needed.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Could you three take this to the Aja/Dante board? This is a board about and for those who enjoy the game of baseball.

While I appreciate Kerry's contributions to this board, I'd prefer if we stay on topic.

Dan and Ally, please don't post here if you don't like baseball and you're just here to stir things up.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

*blinks*

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

uh gygax go fuck yourself I'm the biggest yankees fan on ILE.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Then stick to the yankees thread, bitch.

I have locked Dan and Ally from this thread.

Now how about that Jake Peavy?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

looks like dan's revealed himself as The Enemy afterall, and wellwellwell here's gygax again persecuting a yankees fan...but can we PLEASE not antagonize eachother anymore than is necessaryr in these trying times? yes yes we all know about the conspiracy, none of us like it, but what can we do about it now, other than kick dan's elitist harv-grad ass out of here? let's sit back and enjoy this ride, ok fellas? and at least save the evil machinations talk for when the white sox actually lose?

(i don't like the red sox either, btw.)

XPOST TO ALLY: NOT

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

oh wait technically that's true now isn't it

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

And John, please control yourself too while I'm in this MODPOWERTRIP mode.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

As the Irish Catholic regular here, I suspect simian is Serbian.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

ok but i'm seriously pissed you locked ally out!

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Tell me of this baseball. Is it a game?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

This one is a battle of colored socks.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Will Blowhard Berman be anchoring the teevee on this one?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

The ESPN crew for this series will be Chris Berman, Rick Sutcliffe, and Mike Piazza.

I think I'll be listening to the radio.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

God, who wouldn't? Gary Cohen was doing radio on the Card-SD series.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Nice! It's too bad the Mets' guys can't get some hott playoff luv.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

OMG BASEBALL!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

is simian a regular?

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh fuck you and your whoring-for-the-boys-club Harvard ways.

You're gonna have to fucking ban me if you don't want your misogynistic blackballing Harvard secret-stalking-club ass exposed here.

Go ahead. Make my fucking day.

I'll personally come to Massachusetts and shove my fucking evidence -
including the attempted murder -DOCUMENTED- up your patrician asses.

Serbian? Fuck you, too. You're probably one of those potato famine Irish who isn't paying the price for Ireland's liberty. I don't want to hear about how you're one-eighth Irish, or feigning an Irish identity or whatever. Impersonation of the Irish is deserving of death as far as I'm concerned. Oh go ahead - call the police, the secret service, the FBI whoever....ooopsie, you're in organized crime and you won't do that, will you Ivy boy?

Or you're all a bunch of identity thieves who play blacks and Irish to make Ms. Kerry Keane appear as if she's having a nervous breakdown.
'Cos that's what the Ivy gang does.

I'm not playing nice anymore. You want a fucking psychotic break. I'll start psychotic breaking all over the board until you post all of the backchannel information you have on me, my family, and the White Sox...'cos I have PILES of evidence against your patrician east coast racket and all the shit you've been doing to me, my family and to my employer, Columbia College Chicago.

Start here, bitches:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho

And fuck the next rape and murder apologist who calls me psychotic. You've already been conditioned from birth to call any Irish woman who gets out of line that.

And I'm staying here until you shut this thread down, delete my posts, or kick me out, 'cos baseball is reallll ugly and you deserve to know about it.

Do you also know that they hunt women who go to baseball boards? 'Cos there are gay stalkers who imagine that any woman who likes baseball just wants to sleep with players. Then they flood the boards with misogynist crap to keep them out.

They did the same shit to the music boards - look at I Love Music. It's nearly all men - doesn't that strike you as funny?

Give me a fucking break. Your claims of 'psychotic breaks' don't mean squat until you be a REAL man and come to Chicago where I can show you my fucking paperwork.

Until then, maybe your pussy Ivy League frat boy selves should shut the hell up.

'Cos you took everything from me, and you know what a girl who had everything taken away from me - including my fucking kids - is willing to do.

I'm taking over this thread until you ban me, shut down the thread, or give me some fucking answers. And I don't care if you hide behind Dan Perry's name, or Ally's name, or whoever's identity you're stealing or borrowing today...you do that to make it look like no one agrees with me, and to make it look like I'm crazy.

Go ahead - drive me to do it. I have nothing to lose.

Keep feeding, Ivy bitches....I love it when you call me crazy.
That means I get to post more of your dirty laundry.

Frankly I don't give a shit about public approval on this board anymore, so that's one card you can't use.

Try another tactic....oooops, you're running out!!

First the Cubs, then the Red Sox....yeah, you really believe that shit is REAL.

Go ahead - you think I'm that dangerous, then come to Chicago and have me arrested. Or are you going to be like the last bitch and call my dad and tell them I'm being 'disruptive'.

Oh fuck you and your secret slandering campaign.

simian (dymaxia), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

renteria doubles, ortiz at the plate..."AND MR CLUTCH DELIVERS AGAIN!!!!!"

OH WHOOPS MY BAD HE STRUCK OUT

uh xpost

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I know I'm not an ILBaseball regular, but this isn't funny anymore, it's just sad, and it's fucking up the official Sox/Sox thread. Please give Kerry what she wants and ban her, at least from this thread.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

i just would like to say that it's nice that the grand suck of chris berman's announcing is being tempered by mike piazza.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

(and i can't wait for him to compare a home run to a kix song)

maura (maura), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

HE SAID "ROOKIE OF THE YEARS"

Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

They better play Alterbridge between innings, and they'd BETTER show that All-Star footage, and he'd better REPRAZENT the HORNS BABY!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

I just phoned up my Mossad friends and it turns out that the Jews are behind everything, just like we always are. The world is safe, my friends.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

WHITE SOX 1-0 WAHEY

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

John, you pinstriped slaphead - I hope you're offering your Mr. Clutch fnar-fnars with a wink and a smile.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh fuck you, you rapist-enabler.

Don't believe I was raped?

Don't believe in attempted murder?

Take responsibility for your i.d. theft (oh that's right - first a black, then an Irish, and then a Chicago boy...that's good...let's keep that blackballing image going...don't want the parents to find out how badly our little masturbatory secret s&m 'final club' screwed up) or from here on out, consider yourselves party to an attempted murder. I have the police report, the 911 calls and witnesses.

Read the fucking blog. Go ahead and bait me - I'll keep posting until I get some fucking names, dates, facts, and JUSTICE.

How the fuck do you expect a multiple victim of attempted murder to act?

And don't pull that anti-Semitism crap on me. My grandmother was part Jewish and you know that, because you're stalking the shit out of my family. I'm tired of your race-baiting blackball tactics.

You're not a Sox fan unless you get off your lazy ass and do something about this shit.

simian (dymaxia), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

ok this is almost certainly wrong in multiple ways but has anyone figured out who 'they' is? ivy league WASPs or something?

this is kinda worrisome tho & can someone contact her or something, please?

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

kerry, calm down.

no one here has stalked you. no one here has done anything to you.

we have been your friends in the past.

okay?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

fucking clement

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

No thanks, but I'll give him a handjob of appreciation.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I'll show YOU a handjob, buddy!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

He hasn't had the greatest command for the last couple of three weeks, and I think his nerves just amplified that, so he wound up throwing shit right over the plate to compensate. I bet next inning he's all straightened out.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

if the white sox pull this one off, i've gotta say i like their chances as much as not w/ garland & buerhle coming up (i assume they're 2/3?)

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Freddy's in Game 3. Garland be the Game 4 starter (IF NECESSARY).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I locked Kerry out (no hard feelings KK, it just is distracting from the discourse).

Ned and n/a, please feel free to stay if you have something to contribute aside from an errant puppy-pee in this corner of ILX. I'm sure everyone would appreciate any topical commentary from non-regulars but this situation got out of hand and focused on pretty inconsequential things that you guys could easily bring up on ILX if you choose to do so.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Gygax, are you seriously going to actually drop the hammer on other posters for being ever-so-slightly cheeky & off-topic while letting another poster go on batshit rants insulting a huge swath of the folks posting here, only to let her off w/ a little "there, there" pat on the wrist?

If so, then feel free to yellowcard my ass, because that's just nonsense.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Wait a minute, Ned was banned??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm reviving the moderator thread. Please feel free to post moderator-focused questions that don't deal with the CHW-BOS ALDS games there.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

yeah pls let these guys stick around, i mean didn't alex more or less come aboard this way last year (not by making cheeky & off-color comments, tho maybe that too)?

[xpost]

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

holy shit, what is happening in that game?

gear (gear), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

It's called boomball (12 runs on 9 hits + 1 walk + 1 error).

And somehow the ChiSox actually have 4 LOBs.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Francona should flip-flop Ortiz/Manny.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

now if only the Angels can do the same number on NYY

gear (gear), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Looks like there was too much pregame JD being passed around.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I had to "watch" this game for the latter half with my ear pressed against the door to my apartment which I was locked out of while doing laundry. My neighbors were alarmed by my cheering. Did the Red Sox show up??? I wasn't expecting quite such a...poor showing?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

All right. Chisox get that 1959 home playoff win complex off their chest in style, and got most of their hitters in on the action. Clement was awful; Contreras was solid. Another tight matchup tomorrow -- Burly vs. Fatboy. White Sox 7, BoSox 4.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

Bosko Balaban Stats For Season
Name Bosko Balaban
Team Aston Villa
Total Appearances 0
Starts 0
Substituted 0
Total Minutes Played 0
Avg Minutes Played Per Start 0
Goals 0
Avg Goal Mins When Starting 0.0
Avg Mins Played/Goal Scored 0
Goals Scored As Sub 0
Number of Bookings 0
Total Booking Minutes 0
Avg Bookings Per Start 0
Number of Red Cards 0
Total Red Card Minutes 0
Avg Red Cards Per Start 0

bosko (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

Whoa! Quite a game. Yikes. Ah, um... eh. Oh? Errr... HEY!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Game 2: RX 5 - WX 2

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Could the use of "showing up" be a bigger example of football-style/ESPN brainless lingo being used to infect a far more subtle sport? Sometimes teams just lose.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

My hope is that this asskickin' is what Boston needs to get their shit in gear. And that Bizarro David Wells doesn't show up. (HI MORBIUS!)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

What the hell ever. Morbius if you read my post I couldn't actually see the game! It was a joke! You know, I couldn't see it, and it seemed like they sucked so bad, it musta been another team playin'! I'd argue the football point but this is not the place for it.

David, I'd kind of like that to be the case myself. I don't wanna see Boston win the series but I don't want them to do...that again. I always feel weird when the first game of a series is a total blow out, wondering if the losing team just badly underestimated the winner? Exhaustion from the regular season? Choking? I'll think about it way longer than I should, even if it's a team I hate!

I'm saying next game is gonna be more a one-run game, Boston's gonna shape up wake up. I just can't decide if the one-run will be in Boston's favor or Chicago's...

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

olerud will be the hero. people will drink champagne from his helmet or make a giant ice cream sundae in it.

bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Contreras was on his game last night. He really kept the Red Sox hitters off balenced last night. If it wasn't for that flip on the bunt and the wild pitch, I don't think Boston would have gotten a run off of him. Graffanino and Millar were the only ones to hit anything hard off of Contreras.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

OK, the fact that SCOTT PODSEDNIK went yard yesterday is making me think yesterday was a dipshitty aberation. Also, the fact that folks are really giving way too much credit to that first inning sac bunt - if Clement's control was as bad as reports make it seem, that sac actually COST the White Sox runs.

I'm thinking the White Sox try more Smallball today (since it worked so well yesterday!), but it backfires. Then the Red Sox grab the lead (YARD WORK BIG PAPI), and the ChiSox deficiencies come to the fore as they go down kicking & screaming and are unable to cope with Senor Gout's unerring control.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Also! I had no idea the ChiSox lucked out trying to get a guy @ 3rd on a ground ball hit to 2nd! KEEP IT UP OZZIE PLEEEEEEEASE!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm with bingo. just seeing him out there calms me like a mentholated massage.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

When Taguchi made that throw to 3rd, they showed a funny replay of Ozzie watching the play and he grimaced leaning into the dugout fence once the throw was on the way and then relaxing shaking his head once they got the out.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Manny!

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

A fisting to the slaphead that says the key to the ChiSox 5-run rally in the 5th was the ground out by AJ to move Everett over.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Boomer gives way to boomball... looks like Wells' charade is over.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Charade? Are you serious?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh, wait - you're talking about the charade he's perpetrated throughout his career of being an effective, high-quality, low-walk workhorse, right?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Looking good there, Olerud. Christ.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

HEY EDGAR HOW ABOUT SWINGING AT THE FIRST PITCH?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Fuck. Well, at least they've made an annual habit out of coming back from the brink of elimination two years running. I'm not out of hope yet.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

I don't need to remind you guys that they came back from 2-0 down in 1999 and 2003 against Indians and A's teams that were better than these White Sox.

I guess Ozzie looks like a genius for leaving Jenks out there to pick up the two-inning save, but why wasn't Hermanson out there for the ninth?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

because he has faith in Jenks? because he knew fools wouldn't hit his heat? because Hermanson has had very little game experience of late?

this is 2005 not 99 or 03. statistics like that mean nothing. and I don't know how you could definitively say those teams were better than the Sox, but I'm sure you'll throw some "facts" at me to prove it.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

Francona's faced with an interesting problem now, too - in a must-win game at Fenway, do you start Wakefield as scheduled, or flip it to Schilling on four days' rest? Wakefield got shelled vs. the Yanks last weekend, while Schilling was really sharp.

I guess they're technically ALL must-win games from here on out, so I imagine he sticks with Wakefield.

xpost - I'm pretty sure he's making a qualitative analysis! Feel free to disagree with him; I definitely think these White Sox are at least as good as the 1999 Indians.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

I thought Herm was out w/ back issues?

You gotta win 3 in a row. I wouldn't change the rotation at all.

GRAFFA-EL-NINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Because Hermanson is his closer? Because Ozzie is old school and I'd expect that he'd prefer a veteran over a rookie in that situation? Because if Jenks had coughed up the tying run then you would have run to this board complaining that Ozzie was an idiot for leaving Jenks in there?

What statistics? The Red Sox did come back from 2-0 down in both of those years. Those are facts.

Here are some more facts:

1999 Indians

Scored 1009 runs, Allowed 860 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 93-69

2003 A's

Scored 768 runs, Allowed 643 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 94-68

2005 White Sox

Scored 741 runs, Allowed 645 runs. Pythagorean W-L: 92-70

You'll have a hard time arguing that those A's and Indians clubs weren't one of the two or three best teams in the league that year.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

2005 White Sox pitchers + 1999 Indians hitters = one fucking amazing team

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

I'd forgotten how amazing that lineup was.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

You'll have a hard time arguing that those A's and Indians clubs weren't one of the two or three best teams in the league that year.

so which argument is it? first the '03 a's and '99 indians are "better" than the '05 white sox (despite your evidence not really being that convincing, esp. as the a's and sox numbers are very close to one another), now it's "You'll have a hard time arguing that those A's and Indians clubs weren't one of the two or three best teams in the league that year." which is funny, since nobody claimed that. but keep on digging, it's funny. in the meantime, i'll enjoy the sox and their postseason bid.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

My point was that the A's and Indians were among the two or three best teams in the league in those years, which I don't think can be said about this year's White Sox. Coming back from 2-0 down against the 2nd best team in the league is a lot harder than coming back against the 6th best team (and the 2005 White Sox are a lot closer to the latter than the former).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

in what bizarro world do you live in where leading the division for the majority of the season, not to mention leading the league in wins for most of the season, constitutes not being "among the two or three best teams in the league"?????

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:35 (twenty years ago)

Mr. DavidudeR.

For all the shit I've gotten from you (and others) about Dustin Hermanson's more than fine job this season, the fact that you can't (BBTN-style) see through Wells' charade of a season (driven by that W/L record) is telling!

Batters are hitting almost .300 this year (.324 BABIP)! His WHIP is 1.31, that is not what I would call the mark of efficiency. Maybe compared to Arroyo, Wakefield and Clement, but still... BP has his LUCK at +8.77, trailing only Cliff Lee and Colon. His 2005 performance ranked #83 in VORP across all MLB pitchers.

And yes, we can always reminisce over the glorious Wells of yesteryear, but his 2005 charade is over.

now switching gears to the White Sox:
The White Sox are scoring runs in curious ways (3 HRs yesterday between AJ Pierzynski and Scott Podsednik) but I think that is more sympomatic of the Sox current state of pitching. I don't think they are half as bad as some ILBers are making them out to be, but I have to admit I am curious how their offence is gonna stack up against good pitching* (which they might not see until the World Series if the Yankees beat the Angels).

*I have to admit I did not watch much of the ChiSox this year with the exception of the A's series, but the ChiSox made the A's look REAL good.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

while the yankees pitching has been highly dubious/erratic at best this year, they've definitely turned it on for the last month, so i think claiming otherwise is a bit specious.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Hey stence, who was a better pitcher this year, Kevin Millwood or Cliff Lee?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

barry, don't be a dick. i know it's hard being a blue jays fan and all, but maybe they'll turn it around. buck up, little trooper!

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm serious. You're "arguing" that they led the league in wins, and therefore they're clearly one of the best.

The White Sox had the 4th best Pythagorean record in the league, which is a much better indication of how good they really were during the regular season. Behind them were the Red Sox (one game back), the Yankees (two games back) and the Blue Jays (three games back).

If Halladay hadn't been knocked out of the season by a fluke injury, then they very well could have made up that three game deficit. So in response to you -- yes, a reasonable argument can be made that the Blue Jays were better than the White Sox this year.

Also, who are you to talk -- METS FAN. Mets:NL = Blue Jays:AL.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

i really hate to break it to ya, and esp. at the risk of sounding particularly morgan-esque, but the game is about winning. believe it or not, but billy beane doesn't employ statheads just so the a's can miss going to the playoffs. i know it's probably a really fun and entertaining way for you to get into the game, and i don't begrudge that particularly, but it's quite galling to make claims about a team's relative worth based on one or two statistics that don't - as far as i can tell - have much bearing on the absolute fact as to whether said team makes it to the playoffs or not. but even if we're going to compare stats, the sox have much better offensive/pitching stats, so i have no idea where you're getting this "a reasonable argument can be made that the Blue Jays were better than the White Sox this year" - it's clearly NOT a reasonable argument! but hey, the sox have homer hawk harrelson, maybe you can be toronto's version (although i hate to make the comparison - i don't dislike your longwinded stat-hattery that much!).

and c'mon, the mets were definitely worse than the jays. you're slippin', man.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Nice game, thanks to Bill Graffanino/Tony Buckner. Boomer had the White Sox's number until that inning, and could have escaped with a 2-run lead if Graff makes that play. I wasn't all that impressed with Buehrle's big game pants-pissing, but he did settle down and keep the Chisox in it. I have no idea why Ozzie entrusted Bobby Jenks to pitch not just the 8th but the 9th as well, but he's our best power pitcher against a lineup that might be best pitched to with a power guy.

Freddy Garcia goes at 4pm Eastern on Friday; he's been v. good during day games and away from home, so the White Sox have a strong chance of sweeping. Unbelievable.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

but even if we're going to compare stats, the sox have much better offensive/pitching stats, so i have no idea where you're getting this "a reasonable argument can be made that the Blue Jays were better than the White Sox this year" - it's clearly NOT a reasonable argument!

Chicago's Game 1/2/3 Starters:

Contreras-Buerhle-Garcia composite season ERA: 3.53

Toronto's 1-2-3 Starters:

Halladay-Chacin-Towers composite season ERA: 3.39

Jon Garland's ERA was 3.50 this year, so he doesn't bring the average down much. Adding one of Toronto's other starters would even things out a bit more. As for the offense:

White Sox runs scored: 738
Blue Jays runs scored: 768

What was your point again? Are you saying that luck has no bearing on who makes it to the postseason and who wins the World Series? Because that's what you seem to be saying.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

while the yankees pitching has been highly dubious/erratic at best this year, they've definitely turned it on for the last month, so i think claiming otherwise is a bit specious.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), Today 7:53 PM. (hstencil)

or rather, they had a shitty year except for September (and allow Wang to prove me wrong tonight since he's not up against the D-Rays) but outside of RJ, their staff is a house of cards.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

i'd agree with that, gygax!.

What was your point again?

that a couple of out-of-context stats have no bearing on who the better team is. the white sox dominated their division for most of the year, and are in the playoffs (where they're enjoying a two-game lead). the blue jays didn't. c'est la guerre.

Are you saying that luck has no bearing on who makes it to the postseason and who wins the World Series? Because that's what you seem to be saying.

nope, but i appreciate you trying to construct an argument for me (since you still haven't constructed one for yourself yet).

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Again, what does what Boston did in 99 and 03 have to do with what could possibly happen in 05?


oops (Oops), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

[mega xpost!]

BABIP != BAA

His BAA is .296, tho. That said, he mitigates that w/ his stinginess on the basepaths. Please note that today's start would've been totally different had Tony G been able to field a routine ground ball right at him.

And whoop dee doo his VORP is 83rd this year among all pitchers (59th among those w/ 150+ IP) - like that's so bad! Divide that by the # of teams in MLB, and that's about 3rd-starter good, which is what he is - a good 3rd starter. That he's the defacto Sox "ace" says more about the sorry state of their starting staff than his actual quality - he's been good, but obviously not THAT good. Still, I wouldn't throw him out of bed for chewing out Graffinino for muffing that ground ball. And I never said anything more than he's "an effective, high-quality, low-walk workhorse."

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

As for '99 & '03 v. '05 - '99 has little to do w/ anything (only V-Tek & Nixon are holdovers), but the '03 and '05 squads are very similar.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Holdovers from the starting 9, that is.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

All I said was that the '99 Indians and '03 A's were more formidable opponents in their league in those years than the '05 White Sox are this year. The fact that Boston made both of those 2-0 comebacks wasn't central to my point. The main point is that it's easier to come back against a good team than a great one.

There was a lot of parity in the league this year. Coming down the sretch, it looked like the Indians were the only team without major weaknesses. Otherwise, there were a few good teams, none of whom would be obvious favourites against any of the others in a best-of-five series.

Precise W-L records aren't necessarily relevant to this argument ... if the Phillies had won the WC by a game over the Astros, would they be favoured in the playoffs to the same degree that the Astros are?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

Did I miss some insight from Piazza? cuz someone claimed they liked his booth work. Maybe just cuz unlike his 2 partners, the tone of his voice doesn'tr wanna make you defenestrate.

Easy on the Pythagorean cage matches! While the Chisox aren't as good as their record, 92 'expected' wins are pretty good for a team few besides Rob Neyer expected more than 77-80 from.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

You all sound like my dad.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

We'll give you our sweater sizes for Christmas, then!

How has Chicago hit Wakefield? cuz Schilling 2005 is no sure thing.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Ugh - in 2 starts this year: 16 IP, 12 H, 9 R, FIVE HOMERS

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

My condolences, David!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Hey, now - they have to play the game first! Save the wreaths for Friday night. WHEN THE YANKEES LOSE OH YEAH.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

How has Chicago hit Wakefield?

Very good. Career-wise, Wakefield is 4-9, 5.28 against the Sox. This year: 1-1, 6.57, WHIP 1.38.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Career schmamear. I REALLY wish they* would stop the "career vs. team" thing and actually endeavor to see how a pitcher's fared against the team he's actually going to face (either by looking @ his stats against that team this year, or by looking at his success against each batter throughout his career).

*they = THE MAN

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

B-b-b-b-but Dave, the Yankees can lose Friday without being eliminated...unlike the Red Sox!!! OHHH! SNAP!

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

A-FRAUD IS TEH GAY FOR JETER

YEAH I SAID IT

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

ALSO RANDY JOSNON IS OLD!!!1!!!!!!! AHAHAHAH

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

GOD A-FRAUD IS SO LAST YEAR

WE CALL HIM E-ROD NOW.

GET WITH IT U R SO 2004 LOLOLOL

LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!1111 LOL

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

(also I think success versus individual batter is the best way to look at things during this point in the season but so unwieldly!)

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

ATTENTION MR. DAVID RAPOSA YOU WILL NOTICE I POSTED THIS YEAR'S STATS AFTER THE CAREER STATS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Ally hellbent on being a Yankee fan in a Mike Myers film. (and it's Shove-Rod, purse and all)

I have no memory of who preceded Graffanino at second before they got him in July. *scratches head*...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Ha - sorry, JumMuhCuh. Didn't mean to single you out for something that's been BURNING WITHIN ME FOR SO LONG, or suggest you weren't keeping it real.

TS: being a Yankee fan in a Mike Myers film v. being a Red Sox fan in a Jimmy Fallon film.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

get one (1) google.

xpost That Jimmy Fallon film is AWFUL, I watched it on a boat. It really made the Red Sox look bad, associating with that movie :\

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Fuck, I thought it was this thread where I said that Bellhorn would've kicked the ball. And Cora would've bobbled. Ramon Vazquez would've flipped the ball over Renteria's head. Bobby Doerr would've gotten it, tho. Remy, too. Marty Barrett, he would've had the ball fall out of his glove on the transfer.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

What about Jose Offerman? Would he have expected the shortstop to field the ball?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Sorry Mike Myers, not even sucking since The Spy Who Shagged Me should result in my confusing you with a twinkly-eyed fucktwerp like Jimmy Fallon.

All a guy like Bellhorn has to do is be one more buried-on-the-bench Yankee standby for me to forget him. But he's great in even years, the Sox should get him back!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

MIR wins. Please note that E-fferman would've also thrown a fit after someone deigned to tell him that it was his ball to field.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Mike Lansing would boot the ball, pick it up, throw it away, and then throw a fit ON FIELD.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Rany Jazayerli in BP (after a funny Sox/Ozz-hating intro):


I do not like the White Sox, but I respect them. Guillen might give me hives, but he sure knows how to run a pitching staff.

For proof, look no further than yesterday's ALDS Game Two. On the basis of one big inning and one horrible defensive gaffe, the White Sox entered the eighth inning clinging to a 5-4 lead. Guillen had a number of options to choose from as the Red Sox came to the plate. He could stick with Mark Buehrle, who had thrown just 95 pitches and had retired 14 of the last 16 batters. Or he could turn to arguably the deepest bullpen in baseball, mixing and matching his way through the last six outs, knowing that with an off-day coming up, he could empty out his bullpen if need be.

Instead, he used a tactic straight out of a bygone era, an era more associated with Winning Ugly than Moneyball. He didn't bring the game to a screeching halt while shuffling through half a dozen relievers to get the platoon edge three times. He brought in his closer in the eighth inning, and he rode his closer for six outs, two scoreless innings...and one win....

One of these years the notion that closers are born and not made will finally be exposed as the silly canard that it is. Bobby Jenks was not born a closer. His ability to nail down a one-run lead in October was not forged by years of experience. He did not bring the White Sox within a game of their first playoff series win in 88 years because he wears a magical "C" on his back.

Bobby Jenks isn't a good closer because he has that special fire in his stomach that allows him to pitch the ninth inning when men of lesser fortitude would fail. He's a good closer because he's a good reliever, and because he has a manager who decided he should pitch the ninth inning. And last night, the eighth.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

HO-PAAAAAAAA

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Of interest to no one but me: I got into a discussion w/ a White Sox fan (somewhere on the Interweb) where said ChiSoxxer asserted that the differences between Chicago's offense and Boston's offense were slim and none because:

A) Chicago has 1 more team homer than Boston (which is true, tho the White Sox still trail the Red Sox in team SLG by 30+ points)

B) The Red Sox only averaged 1 run PER GAME more than the White Sox (which is, um, you know, A BIG DIFFERENCE)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

C) The Red Sox are behind 2 games to 0.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

D) 14-2

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

HI DERE POSEDNIK

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

HELLO AND WELCOME IGUCHI

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

this board should really be called I Love Statistics huh

oops (Oops), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

more like i love hypothetical imaginary statistics like pythagorean records that have no bearing on the sport whatsoever, or ILHISLPRTHNBOTSW for short.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

statistics are what made ilX0r great

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Ah, tied 2-2 now.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

manny ortiz homers. yawn how very predictable.

oops (Oops), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

How come players who are so often described as "one-dimensional" are usually so... uh... three-dimensional? Knowwhutimean?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

White Sox sure do homer a lot. IT'S SMART BALL!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 October 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

HOWYADOIN PAULIE KONERKO

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

I will be delightfully shocked if this 1 run lead holds up. Watch Ozzie go to Jenks in the 7th haha.

oops (Oops), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

argh. we'll, i'm hoping. goddamn berman's a bigger homer than hawk.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 7 October 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

I thought Dustin Hermanson was the White Sox closer. Is he hurt? Is that why Jenks is all the sudden the go to guy (note: I can understand and actually support not using Hermanson as a closer on general principle, I'm just surprised that Guillen who's always struck me as pretty loyal is relegating someone who's saved 34/39 games to the bench)?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Congratulations to our new laundry overlords. You guys better win the fucking thing.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Well that was short and brutal.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Like I said to Barry after game 2, Hermanson has been bothered by his back for awhile now, may therefore be pretty rusty even though physically able to pitch, and Jenks is unflappable and just plain filthy.

HermansonSchmermanson. If all goes well, Jenks should be the closer next year, and a dominate one.

-- oops (don'temailmenicelad...) (webmail), August 26th, 2005 3:16 AM. (Oops) (link)

um, I meant at the end of this year. yeah.

oops (Oops), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:49 (twenty years ago)

The White Sox were very efficient and impressive. I would not believed that they could shut down Boston such as this.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 7 October 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I gotta root for the Chisox over either the Angels or the Yankees.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Manny's last game in Boston?

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

Better not be, unless they get a sweeeeeeeeet offer.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Especially since he was the only hitter to even show up!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

imagine if they'd traded Manny for one of those shitty offers they received this season. they wouldn't have even made the playoffs, probably.

gear (gear), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

Im wondering if Frank McCourt will order Paul Depodesta to go after Manny to appease people who hate on him for being cheap. Give Boston Kent and Odalis Perez and some moneys..

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

The Red Sox were awful in this series. They actually pitched reasonably well (except for Game 1), but their bats vanished. Did they score a run after the 5th inning in this series?

Meanwhile Chicago did what they did best -- pitch well, and score just enough runs to win (except for the Game 1 abherration. They obviously can't expect to score 14 runs too often). Their big three starters can now rest up, and Jenks has proven that he can be the man in the late innings. If Hermanson can come back healthy then they're going to be that much tougher to beat once the 7th inning rolls around, and with those starters, the 7th inning will roll around damn quick.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

El Duque came up huge tonight. Chicago having the benefit of bringing him out of the pen for the playoffs is a definite plus going forward and really adds depth to their bullpen.

One thing Gammons brought up a couple of days ago I did not realize is that the White Sox actually hit more home runs than Boston this season. I never really thought of Chicago having that much power.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

I also cannot see the Red Sox dumping Manny any more at the end of this season as last year. One, that contract is still huge and there are few clubs that are willing to pay that kind of scratch and two, the combination of Manny and Ortiz is what makes it work. I think you take one or the other away in that lineup and the results would not be quite as spectactular.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

Earl, read the thread! :)

A) Chicago has 1 more team homer than Boston (which is true, tho the White Sox still trail the Red Sox in team SLG by 30+ points)

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Congratulations to the White Sox for one fuck of a series, and especially for Orlando Hernandez for the most impressive postseason pitching in a White Sox uniform in, oh, close to a century.

Thank GOD I don't have to listen to Chris fucking Berman one more second this postseason. You could feel the disappointment dripping from his throat when Renteria grounded into the final out.

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 8 October 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

White Sox need the HRs too. I think theyre in the 20s in league OBP.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Saturday, 8 October 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

>the White Sox actually hit more home runs than Boston <

shhhh, it spoils the Official Story.

Fox is prolly panicking over how to exploit '1917' when the country doesn't know about it. "Let's do the Game 1 open with Ray Liotta as Shoeless Joe..."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 October 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Renteria was a fucking disaster this year. What the fuck was Theo thinking there, getting rid of O. Cabrera for this slug.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

He was flailing at everything during the playoffs too. Work the count, dickhead.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Sunday, 9 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

What the fuck was Theo thinking there, getting rid of O. Cabrera for this slug.

Well, I mean, Renteria is a historically superior player, for one thing.

But yeah, bad year. They should trade him and bring up Hanley already.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 9 October 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Babe Ruth is a historically superior player, but he's not swingin the bat so well these days

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 10 October 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I think the previous year is a pretty strong indicator. Here's a comparison:

Cabrera:
2004 .264 .306 .383 16SB 237TB Age29
2005 .257 .309 .365 21SB 197TB Age30

Renteria:
2004 .287 .327 .401 17SB 235TB Age28
2005 .276 .335 .385 9SB 240TB Age29

I mean, they both sucked pretty badly both year, and Renteria makes an extra 2mil. However, Renteria is pretty clearly the better of the two players. Obviously Renteria's decline in SBs probably has more to do with organizational philosophy than anything else. Otherwise, he's superior across the board.

Again, I'd rather stick Hanley there for $250k than either of these two bad options, but the idea that they should have signed Cabrera is baffling to me, and the idea that they should have signed Eckstein is the ultimate in 20/20 hindsight.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The problem w/ Renteria wasn't so much the fact that he sucked - he's doing what he's done for most of his career. It's that he did it between the #1 and #3 spots for most of the season. Stick Mueller or Graffanino or Nixon (or Millar!) in that slot, and I betcha the Sox do even better w/ the run-making.

Also - THIRTY ERRORS?!?!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he had a nightmare year with the glove. Only 11 errors in 2004. What happened to that guy.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Millar happened? Honestly, I dunno. Might've been a fluke, or a regression to his days of youthful leather-based indiscretions. Either way, I hope he stays in the bottom 3rd of the lineup next year. And / or disappears. And / or gets in touch with Jason "Who Me, Greasy?" Giambi for some "help" with his "hitting".

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout10-08-05.htm

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

The Cards letting Womack and Renteria go and signing Grudz and Minime to replace them looks pretty genius at this point.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

I still think the Cardinals overpaid for Eckstein, even though he played really well this year.

I mean, if I go all in on a two of clubs and a seven of diamonds and flop a 7 7 2, that doesn't mean I didn't make a bad decision.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 10 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

BBT: CWS in 5 if not 4 = 3 points
gygax!: Boston in 5 = 0 points
Rock Hardy: Boston in 4 = 0 points
MIR: Boston in 4 = 0 points
Alex in SF: White Sox in 5 = 3 points
gear: Boston in 4 = 0 points
boldbury: RedSox in 5 = 0 points

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I would have picked the Red Sox, so I get no points.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna bump on Alex and BBT to 4.5 points based on my random attribution formula.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

>Pale Hose in 5. With HOME RUNS.<

I was all wet on the length, but unusually correct on the means.

Scoring playoff prognostications = measuring 'clutch'

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

haha, scoring playoff prognostics = scoring baseball

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

???

My 'predictions' are what I want to see happen, slightly reined by probability.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Hey - I picked boston to sweep - where's my negative points?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)


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