LAA - NYY 2005 ALDS Thread

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Fucking hell, are we going to see Yankees v Red Sox in the ALCS AGAIN????

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Aww, Barry, you know that's what God wants.

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Sunday, 2 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

{*snort}

― simian (dymaxia), Sunday, 2 October 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Yanks over Angels in 5.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Sunday, 2 October 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Yanqs in 5.

― gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Angels in 4.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

Yanks in 5

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 2 October 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Angels in 4.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I predict I will continue to not understand the Yankee's success in 5.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

oh god please angels in 5

― gear (gear), Sunday, 2 October 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

I predict I will continue to not understand the Yankee's success in 5

Tell me about it ... just about every starter the Yankees can throw out is a mismatch against the Angels ... Angels have a better bullpen ... Game 5 will be in Anaheim ... but I'm still picking Yanks in 5. It just feels right (that's right as in "correct", not right as in "just").

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Angels in 5.

― boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

The Yank's success is just like the Red Sox, their hitting just rips some pitching staffs to shreds.

The Angels bullpen is still pretty good, but not as good as last year or 2002. LA of A has better starting pitching than last year or 2002. The question is which John Lackey and Bartolo Colon show up, as they both can be inconsistent. Sheilds and KRod were used often over this season and both were not as good in the second half of the season as the first.

The Angels hitting is not anywhere near as good as either last year or as 2002. Outside of Vlad, there is not another scary power hitter in the LA of A lineup. Chone Figgins is going to have to get on base and they are going to have to make NY pay for pitching around Vlad.

The question for NY is when will Small and Chacon turn back into pumpkins. Mussina got rocked three of his last four starts down the stretch. I figure the Unit will be OK, but one or two of the other starters are going to have to step up.

I can't see LA of A outslugging the Yanks in this series or having their pitchers shut them down. I thought the Angels had a good shot at winning it all last year, I don't see it happening this season at all.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

I never thought the Yankees would be in the PO's anyway, so I'll change horses and say NY in 4.

You see, I am the type of kid who trades for all the good players in a video game because he hates losing so much, so I'll be a Yankee booster.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Angels in 3. (This is more a dream scenario than realistic, but whatever.)

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Asteroid in 1!

― mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

There's something scary about the Angels. Earl, I agree with everything you're saying here, but it's not out of the question, at all, for Angels pitching to shut down the Yankees three times. Scot Shields is awesome, and Byrd and Lackey are capable. K-Rod is garbage, unfortunately, and that could be the difference. The biggest prob is obv lack of pop, but if Anderson feels alright it could be enough.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Since when does garbage have ERA 2.67, WHIP 1.14, and a 2.31 career postseason ERA.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

xpost:

Wait a sec, K-Rod is "garbage"? Is this NY slang for "awesome"?

2.67 ERA (in the AL), 1.14 WHIP, 12.16 K/9, .184 BAA?

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 October 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

It's like bad meaning good.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 05:35 (twenty years ago)

Also, Lackey was one of the AL's best pitchers in the second half -- 8-1, with a 2.57 ERA. He also starred in the 2002 playoffs, including a win in Game 7 of the World Series. He's more than capable.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

Angels in 4.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

The Angels pitching could shut down the Yanks, but after last year, I just cannot pick them to win. The Angels have a bit better starting pitching, mostly Colon turning it around and with Lackey improving, but their hitting is not quite as potent.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 3 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Game 2 of a Yankee series is actually going to start at 10 PM EASTERN??? What law of God and Fox has been overturned?!?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

IF the Angels fielded their best lineup - and that's a pretty big if - they could possibly hold their own against Los Yanqs. Of course, that'd mean benching Finley & OC (moving Punter to CF, playing Chone @ SS, playing Kotchmann @ 1B), and having Figgins & Kennedy hit 1-2. Hell, they'd also be better off losing Garrett "Most Overrated Underrated Player" Anderson and sticking Juan "Not A Thief" Rivera in his stead.

As it stands, even if they were optimized to win hitting-wise, Scoscia would probably run them out of innings w/ his shitwit smallballery. With their most common lineup configuration, their millstones will gladly kill rallies that Scoscia's baserunning tactics don't already kill. The team's SB success says anything about ANAHEIM's proclivity to make outs running all over the damn place.

That said, where the Angels lack in the hitting dept., they TROUNCE pitching-wise. A starting 3 of Colon, Lackey, & Byrd trounces the Yankee triumverate of RJ, Mussina, and Insert Outlier Here. And the Angel bullpen pwns the Yankee pen by a sick margin, esp. w/ Kelvim Escobar providing great middle relief, in tandem w/ Pine Tar Boy & the Shields / K-God combo. (Tracer's golden shower on Rodriguez is inexplicable.)

So: IF the Angels learn how to take a pitch, they could turn this series into a slugfest that they might very well win, even if the Angel starters don't show up (& given Colon's starts against NYY this year, that's a possibility). Scoscia better not screw this shit up.

It's a fact because I say so: Colon / Mussina is a slugfest where the Angels end up on top, RJ wins Game 3, but the pitching advantage proves to be the difference, Chacon gets his comeuppance, Bengie Molina gets the Jeter throughout the series, and Mr. Clutch gets credit for hitting a meaningless .250 in the series because he dives a lot. Angels in 4.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

This is totally hilarious:

Yanks angry at Showalter for pulling stars vs. Angels

This is coming from the same Yankees who

-- didn't even win their division outright but were awarded the pennant because of some stupid-ass rule. If MLB wanted home-field advantage + winning the pennant to mean something, then there would have been a playoff.
-- threw in the towel after Cleveland lost

Ya wanna play at home? WIN THE DAMN GAMES IN THE REGULAR SEASON AND EARN THAT SHIT.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I like that Cashman said as much at the end of the story.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Um if any of you had watched K-Rod this year you would know what I'm talking about. He has a knack for melting down. Yeah, WHIP me with statistics all you like, I don't care, the guy has a glass jaw. Just watch the ninth inning this week.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

You mean he's not CLUTCH?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

"He has a knack for melting down."

I know talking about wins and losses is a generally a no no, but the thing about Shields and K-Rod that catches my eye is the losses. Combined they put up W-12 L-16 SV-52. If you add those together you get 80 times they either got the decision or a save, but .20 percent of those times they got credit for a loss. 4 out of 5 is pretty good success rate for a reliever, but it is not mind blowing.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Please trade him to Padres thx bye.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

tracer, for all the shit (given & taken w/ love, i trust) morbius takes here, he's right more often than not & right now, he's right. k-rod's had a bit of a problem with the free pass this year, including a high-profile 4 BB meltdown against the yanks (which occasion is likely what's lodged itself so firmly in yr brain); but he maintains an excellent strikeout rate and, more pertinent here, has sa ved 45/50 games, a rate comparable to rivera's.

― John (jdahlem), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Also, he shut down the Yankees in the playoffs a few years ago. Kinda famous incident.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

i predict that the yanquis lose, but nypd and nyfd are the real winners...shawn chacon, too.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Trust me, I would love to be proven wrong about this!! Of course, the Halos will have to enter the ninth with a lead.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

This thread isn't half as cool as the Boston/Chicago one. Sheesh.

I predict the Yankees, anyway, in 5. And I can vouch for Tracer's trustworthiness on the issue of Yankee hatin'.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Christina Kahrl breaks it down (non-premium):

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4503

"A big difference between the lineups is in their basepath behavior. Fronted by Figgins in the leadoff slot, the Angels led the majors in stolen bases (159, 22 more than the more highly touted Go-Go White Sox) while nabbing them at a nifty 74% clip, good for the ninth-best success rate for a team. The Yankees haven't been all that passive on the bases this year, even with Tony Womack riding pine: Jeter and A-Rod have combined for 35 steals in 46 attempts, but they're the only baserunners Torre takes risks with, and the Angels do an exceptional job controlling the running game. So if there's going to be a basepath commando in the series, odds are, it's going to be an Angel. If Figgins plays as well against the Yankees now as he did during the season (.487/.535/.590), the Angels will be able to create opportunities for themselves and get into that middle relief staff the Yankees almost wish wasn't there at all."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

I mostly agree with that article actually, except that I am pretty confident (though god knows the Yanks have proven me wrong before) that the game 5 will be the Yankees scraping by. They're just really good at dicking-around-until-clutch-then-pulling-shit-together. I dunno WHY the do that, I mean I'd have less bags under my eyes if they didn't.

Definitely a 5 game series though.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Except when Jeter's glove gets all porous like it did the last time the Angels eliminated them.

Will McCarver actually have an orgasm the first time his husband makes a throw from the hole?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Mr. Clutch - BuckCarver went out of their way to excuse a few misplays during the game as being the result of the extreme shadows over home plate. Which would make sense, except that when Jetes went boom-boom, it was on a reachable ball that he OVERDOVE for.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

That was Saturday's scintillating shellacking of the Red Sox, BTW.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Being really good at doing something doesn't mean you do it every time you're asked to! Like I said, like they haven't let me down before...haha the overdiving thing though, that's pretty funny.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

True dat, but don't tell They What Broadcast The Game For Rupert that, as those two knuckleheads turn a blind eye when Jetes screws the pooch (cf. the final 4 games of last year's ALCS), yet praise his glowing sperm whenever he drives in a run and fistpumps as if those pooch screws didn't happen.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

The overdiving is just another example of Jeter taking any excuse to stick his butt out, like that thing when he thinks the ball is like 1/2 " too far inside. He's like WHOOP here's my butt.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahahahahahaha ok that's OTM but I mean if you had his ass you'd do it too.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Disappointments: 2001 Phoenix, 2003 Beckett?

Jeter somehow finished 2d among AL SSs in Range Factor this year to Julio Lugo.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

Which would make sense, except that when Jetes went boom-boom, it was on a reachable ball that he OVERDOVE for.

I remember that play, and waited for the criticism from Buckcarver ... and they DID say something to the effect that it was a gloveable ball that Jeter felt he should have had. It was more than I was expecting from them, but it wasn't totally ignored as you seem to be implying.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Damn it, MIR, I'm right, they're Satan, and Jetes is a king-sized chump, AND TAHT IS TAHT.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

bartolo colon is like the ugliest mutherfucker on the planet. uglier than shawn kemp.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

i just realized that i'm rooting for the yanks in this series -- the first time i have EVER wanted them to win. man i hate the angels. (vlad excepted)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Colon deserves this if he's going to pitch like a Cy Young candidate until there's two strikes and then miss his spots by a foot.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

What do you have against the Angels?

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― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

i dunno! i guess i find them boring and "old school" in an obnoxious way, partially cuz of eckstein and erstad and scoscia. but i also realize that i've always disliked them -- for some reason as a kid i could never stand wally joyner!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Eckstein's a Cardinal! The Angels have (SABR-friendly) Orlando Cabrera at SS!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

eck is NOW, but i still can't wash the taste out of my mouth. i liked cabrera in montreal (when he was on my fantasy team), but now, not so much

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

for some reason as a kid i could never stand wally joyner
Ha ha! That's great.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:qYJAFBIs8m8J:www.cnnsi.com/baseball/mlb/2001/spring_training/news/2001/03/10/angels_preview/joyner.jpg : ...

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2002/10/27/JPWoJKm8.jpg ...

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

aaaaaa crap

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

fixed. also

this is Juan Rivera's sportsline pic:

http://images2.sportsline.com/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/225428.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

It looks like he's trying to pickpocket one of Vlad's batting gloves.

(Yes I know Vlad doesn't wear gloves...)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

Damn you, Jams... those sports-bar Hasids have had their way with you!

Fell asleep around the 6th. (AL ball will do that.) Any BuckCarver highlights after JB broke the news to TM that Ben Affleck knows all about their Jeetz hard-ons?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I actually sweated one sweat during the 9th inning!

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

I had no idea until last night really that Rivera is apparently so awful against the Angels.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Apparently!?!? Aside from last year (and maybe the playoffs in 2K2), he's been money against LAA! And that "career against laundry" horsecrap is, um, horsecrap. That said, dude threw another 78.1 IP this year, and he was bone weary in the playoffs last year after a similar workload, SO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS ANAHEIM!

PS - thanks for the caught stealing, Vlad!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Could that Sheffield 1st-inning hit have been any more fucking lucky?

What was NY's last postseason roster move?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

When I am saying "apparently" I mean "according to the announcers," I'm not actually going to go and dig out the stats they were reading because I have no reason to not believe them! I don't get to see NYY/LAA games very often. OTOH poss. a career playoff ERA against LAA is what they meant??

Anyway, yeah at any rate he wasn't looking his normal robotic self last night, a bit weary, hence my one sweat.

WTF was that steal anyway?

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I'm not actually going to go and dig out the stats they were reading because I have no reason to not believe them!

That's the kind of thinking that keeps putting Dusty Baker in charge of pitching staffs. That and blacknezs.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm not actually going to read the documents because why would Anderson Cooper lie to me, etc.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Because he is a treasonous gay? You saw him bitching out the CNN newsroom duing Katrina. What a drama queen.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

That was so hot.

Seriously wtf was that steal though.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah yeah, Ally, I meant to put something in my post about the announcers offering that dopeyness. That Mariano's been "fallible" this year as opposed to other years (meaning he got lit up a few times early in the season in some hi-profile BoSox games) just goes to show how batshit crazy good he's been throughout. But the dude's getting old, and (thankfully for non-Yank fans) Torre goes to him (& Gordon) like a Hummer goes to the gas station. If Anaheim keeps these games close, the Yankees bullpen is gonna be even sketchier than it was coming into this series (and it was pretty damn sketcy as-is).

And, yeah, given that the Angels won the Series in 2002, there's a pretty good chance that they had to do something against Mariano to get there - I can't recall any specific "OMG BLOWN SAVE" incident, tho. Regardless, the Angels are a lot different now than they were, so those stats don't mean donkeyshines.

Vlad's CS = Mike Scoscia is an asshat. Gotta make something happen on the basepaths, he was probably thinking, when (of course) what needs to happen on the basepaths is that you need to get people ON THEM. Ex-catchers from the National League are so estupid. I blame letting pitchers hit for themselves.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Also: I had some irrational Wally Joyner hate going on, too! I don't know why, tho! Maybe because he was a shitty first baseman?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

No no I mean I don't buy the Mariano, man of fallibility rumor they're trying to press, but they gave some crazy statistic against LAA that was really crap on Mariano...but I don't know if it is OVERALL or PLAYOFFS ONLY against LAA now, I'd have to look it up and the site I want isn't loading so c'est la vie, I'll forget about it by tonight anyway.

Is Mussina's arm still bothering him? I mean he looked pretty great from the parts I saw but they yanked him pretty early. I assumed the arm was A-OK contrary to prior reports cos he was pitching so freaking well but I can't figure another reason to yank him at that point and then start doing the 17-pitcher-cycle Torres's been loving these days.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Paul Swydan of BP:

Erstad and Scioscia also combined to kill the sixth inning for the Angels. With Vladimir Guerrero on first in the sixth, the Angels elected to hit-and-run (something the fabulous Joe and Tim failed to recognize) with Erstad, even though Erstad was the player in the lineup least suited for the job... Not only does Erstad strike out more than every other regular on the team, he also strikes out more than everyone versus left-handers. This wasn't stopping the Angels, who are aggressive to a fault. Had they not hit-and-run, and if Erstad had reached (keyword being if), Molina's home run would have made a much greater impact.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

There wasn't any such incident. Rivera saved Game 1 (a scoreless ninth) and didn't pitch in the rest of the series.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Dastardly!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/pressbox/photos/headshots_players_coaches/121919_90x135.jpg You mean, if we... score more runs than the Yankees... then... Rivera... won't... pitch...?

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

GOD DAMMIT

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

(hints from heloise: aside from the trailing colons, you should just stop using "ihttp" and just stick with HTML.)

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

JANIE McCAULEY, AP Sports Writer, said this about (Mariano) Rivera yesterday:

Mariano Rivera saved it for the Yankees, who looked completely fresh -- even after a cross-country trek on the heels of a seven-game road trip to end the regular season.

"Completely fresh" as in 1 hit, 1 walk, 1 successful steal-attempt-against to with that 9.00 ERA?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

(holler)

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

frrrrreshhhhhhhhhhhh

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/04/06/2002233579.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

"Fresh" like "fashionable"

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

"fresh" as in "yankees"

rivera's perf was more than a little unsettling, i can't remember him being that shaky in a LDS.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

God, that pic of Scoscia does him no favors.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

What are the yankees gon do when his arm finally falls off, serious.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

on the positive side, that ER was a full-count walk against a great hitter on a v close pitch, followed by meaningless steal, followed by weak GB that took a bizarre & impossible hop. and the kotchman AB was classic mo. but he def wasn't quite right and he knew it.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

but seriously can statheads actually agree w/ bbtn types that rivera really is the yankees postseason mvp year-in-year-out (or at least that their fortunes rise and fall with his performance)? is there even any question about this?

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm partial to Jeter's sexy bunz.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

is there even any question about this?

No. Has anyone ever disagreed with this?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

and the kotchman AB was classic mo.

BEFORE MORB BEATS ME TO THE BP PUNCH!

Not only did Scioscia not start Kotchman, but when he did insert him, it was in the wrong situation, pinch-hitting for Juan Rivera during the ninth. While Kotchman does enjoy good success against righties, Mariano Rivera chews up lefties, and always has. Conversely, Juan Rivera handles righties just fine and was 2-for-3 on the night. In the end this amounts to nitpicking. The main issue is that Kotchman should be the starting DH or first baseman, Rivera should be the starting center fielder, and Finley and/or Erstad should be bench players.

That the final sentence mirrors what I said upthread about the Angels is either pure coincidence or BP stealing from MEEEEEEE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

As for MoVP: in my vast experience, folks give Mo & Jeteybunz equal consideration. Usually on broadcasts, Jetes' pole gets waxed until Mo enters the game, and then they switch it up! Most folks in print seem to lean towars Mo, tho.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget about Bernie -- he being the ALL TIME leader in postseason homers. Even more than Mantle!*

* we interrupt our broadcast to remind you for the 19384th time that all of Mantle's homers were in the World Series

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Just a bit of fun:
(all numbers through 2004)

Bernie
Career OPS: .875
Playoff OPS: .868 (115 games)

Mr. Ass
Career OPS: .848
Playoff OPS: .836 (110 games)

Mo
Career ERA: 2.43
Postseason ERA: 0.75 (70 appearances)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Which of these guys is not like the others, i.e. who can actually claim to be stepping it up for the playoffs?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

>can statheads actually agree w/ bbtn types that rivera really is the yankees postseason mvp year-in-year-out<

It depends how you factor in that most mortal pitchers can hold a lead for one fucking inning. Yeah, he's somewhat overrated in October too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

The most amazing number is the appearances -- Rivera has appeared in about 2/3 of all Yankee playoff games since 1996 and pitched more than one inning in a majority of them.

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― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

xpost -- Morbs, remember that most of Rivera's postseason saves are greater than one inning!

There are plenty of occasions when he came into the game with runners on in the eighth and then pitched the ninth.

Also, a 0.75 ERA in 70 appearances and 100-odd innings is a large enough sample size to not be a fluke.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i.e. the dude is NOT overrated in October

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone ever disagreed with this?

I dunno, gygax made a compelling argument for Jeter's ass.

MindInRewind is OTM, I mean isn't that the lowest ERA in post-season history? It's not just about holding a lead, it's about total shutdown of other (playoff-calibre) teams. And yes, more than 1 inning per game.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

"Has anyone ever disagreed with this?"

i don't think i've ever actually heard saber commentary on it, but i wouldn't be surprised if morbs line is typical.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

It depends how you factor in that most mortal pitchers can hold a lead for one fucking inning.

Does that mean the Red Sox bullpen is IMMORTAL?!?!?! Nice!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure someone has run analyses on Rivera vs Jeter vs whoever in the postseason ... of course, he's generally been great, but "year-in year-out" is a bit much. As in, 2001 & 2004, YEARS OUT.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Um, he gave up one earned run in nine appearances in 2004.
2001: two earned runs in eleven appearances.

If those are YEARS OUT for my closer, I'll take them.

You're focusing on the rare saves he blew and forgetting about the 32 others he didn't.

The guy saved like 20 games in a row over five straight postseasons, and also had a streak of about 20 scoreless appearance spread over about three postseasons, and you're questioning whether he's been great year-in, year-out?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I just hate hate hate the Yankees, 'kay? And yes, he's the primary factor elevating Joe Torre from fruit-stand manager. (spot the ref)

Just curious, did he allow any inherited runners to score in his p-s appearances?

Also, since usage patterns change in postseason, obv Rivera's value would increase, situationally. Despite what Dahlem says, Prospectus writers have generally agreed yeah, he's a god SATISFIED?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Yes. And almost everybody here hates the Yankees, but likes Rivera. I'm comfortable with that contradiction and sleep just fine at night.

Not sure about his record re: inherited runners but considering he 1) enters so many postseason games in the eighth inning, and 2) hardly ever blows saves, it's got to be stellar.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Guys I would probably like a lot if they happened to be Padres instead of Yankees: Torre, Zimmer, Jeter, Giambino, Posada, Bernie, Matsui, Moose, Chacon, Flash, Rivera, Steinbrenner.

Guys I respect but yet dislike for whatever reason, and would dislike even if they were Padres: Sheffield (as I did when he was a Padre), Johnson, ARod.

The other guys are non-entities.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

btw, from riffling thru one of the myriad NYY-BOS '04 books, I discovered that Michael Kay hasn't spoken to Mussina in years since Moose rolled his eyes at the YESbot's interview questions. Which only enlarges my respect for M.M.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

My list would be simple: guys who are wildly overrated because they are Yankees, and guys who are not.

ARE: JETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Matsui (let's compare him to Pujols because he "started his career" (Japan doesn't exist) with three 100-RBI seasons. Whatever). Posada. Bernie (since 2003 or so). etc.

NOT: ARod. Mussina (until 2004). Etc.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I grew up kind of liking the Yankees, as I got a hat when I was a little kid and some of my first baseball memories are of the 77 and 78 World Series with Reggie Jackson. I was really pissed when they lost to the Dodgers in 81. Later when Don Mattingly came up with them in the 80s, I followed them in the paper, as he was the best baseball player out of Indiana in those days. I never really saw them play on TV very much other than Saturday game of the week.

After the strike in 94, I dropped my over ten years subscription to the Sporting News and didn't follow baseball at all in 95 other than a bit of the last game with the Marlins and Indians. I still didn't follow baseball much in 96 until the playoffs and the Yanks were always on and I was a fan of Paul O'Neill.

I liked that the Yanks from 96 to 01, although I was pulling for Mark Grace and the D-Backs quite a bit in 01. The team after that World Series loss kind of changed with all of the star crap they talked about Jeter in the years since, A-Rod is a jerk, Sheffield was a cry baby since he was with the Brewers and all of the hubris around King George and what is he going to do if they lose three straight. It is kind of hard to like this current club, but I do like Matsui quite a bit.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

matsui's a fantastic hitter & pujols is 32 years old!!! ok that was a dumb stat but i refuse to concede that he's overrated. posada is certainly not overrated, this year or any other - he's was the best offensive catcher in the game for 2-3 years, and i haven't heard jack about him this season.

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

That's because Posada began his possibly rapid decline this season.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

He was a "fantasy bust" which I would technically file in the "overrated" folder.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Matsui's one of the 2 best non-BALCO-affiliated Yankees' hitters. Many, many, many other teams would be happy to have him play in their outfield.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

OK wait, so if we're conceding the idea that Posada WAS excellent and is now declining, but no one is talking about him anymore--how does that make him overrated?? That seems like "just about right"? Fantasy busts aside.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

My list would be simple: guys who are wildly overrated because they are Yankees, and guys who are not.

I don't judge a player based on what other people think of them, I base it on what I think of them.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Matsui's .863 OPS puts him 18th among MLB outfielders, just ahead of Randy Winn and just behind Cliff Floyd.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

I still can't get over having Finley in the lineup at all. Steve "barely above the Mendoza line" Finley!!

― patita (patita), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

best moment of game one: mini-picture of matsui exclaiming "ouch!" as a-rod is drilled

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I still can't get over having Finley in the lineup at all. Steve "barely above the Mendoza line" Finley!!

Gamer. Gamer.

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

best moment of game one: mini-picture of matsui exclaiming "ouch!" as a-rod is drilled

It would have been cooler if he had said "AYE YA!"

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

I have to say that being just ahead of Randy Winn is pretty damn good this year!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Matsui was second in VORP of all AL left-fielders only to ManRam.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

is the east coast still up for this?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

Hell yes.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't see too many Angels games ... and Escobar has been injured a lot ... but how long has he been wearing those badass sunglasses when he pitches?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

So... Barry....

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:31 (twenty years ago)

fuck's sake, don't sacrifice!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

HA haaah i wish i had tv!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

well alright, I guess it sort of worked

― gear (gear), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

c'mon gear, if kennedy doesn't bunt those guys over... i mean, what are the Angels gonna do with THE TOP OF THEIR LINEUP due up and one more out?

was Rivera pulled for injury or what?

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:45 (twenty years ago)

sounds like overmanagement to me! he couldn't have possibly scored from third on a single to center, anyway, good thing he was PR'd for

― gear (gear), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

Garret Anderson really is the poster boy for anti-Beanery isn't he

― gear (gear), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Bucket of slop = Yankee middle relief! Senator Leiter, this means you.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

SO LAME - asshats @ the Yankee game chanting "Boston sucks."

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

oh please let the angels take two straight.

― gear (gear), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

...

― gear (gear), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I bet the Yanks are sure glad they signed him to that extension.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 7 October 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

JOHN STERLING SEZ:

"YOU CAN'T PREDICT BASEBALL"

THIRTY TIMES IN TEN MINUTES

SHUT THE HELL UP

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

"but how long has he been wearing those badass sunglasses when he pitches?"

It must be an Angel thing, starting with Ben Weber and Donnelly in 2002. K-Rod has been sporting some spaceage specs for the past couple of seasons.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 8 October 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure if that call at second was right or not, it was damn close, but Joe West is a good umpire for even noticing that.

― gear (gear), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:05 (twenty years ago)

Sterling won't shut up about it, saying it's a gimme that is NEVER called, and West picked a helluva time to call it, and yadda yadda yadda. Whatever - Leiter'll screw the pooch.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Or the Angels will give them an out. Awesome.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

It's true though -- that "cheat" at 2nd is never called.

With Mr .220 at the plate hitting against a lefty (even if that lefty is Al Leiter), giving up the out to take a three run lead in the 7th with two stellar arms ready to come out of the pen to protect it doesn't seem like the worst move in the world. Then again, the smarter move would be to call on a righty to pinch-hit, since it's not like Torre had anybody decent besides Rivera left in the pen (and Mo wouldn't come into the game in the 7th).

Sorry to rag on Miller and Morgan AGAIN, but after that squeeze play they started praising the Angels' "National League style of play" and yapped about Scoscia's Dodger uprbring and great fundamentals, etc. In a 9-6 game. When the Angels had pounded out 16 hits to that point. And chased the opposing team's ace in the fourth. And hit two homers, leading to five runs.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 October 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

The limitations of NY's 3, 4 and 5 starters won't matter as much in the playoffs.
Of course, the 3,4 and 5 starters aren't the problem as much as Home Run Randy and Schitzophrenic Mike.

-- Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (fuckyouandyouremai...), September 29th, 2005.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 8 October 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

It's amazing how one hit-and-run or bunt per game makes you a 'smartball' team when yer clubbing the other team to death. It's like the Joe Morgan Fantasizes chapter of Moneyball all over again.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 October 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

today's game is postponed, will be played tomorrow at 7:30. game 5 is set for monday at an undisclosed time.

― maura (maura), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

"undisclosed time" = "12th of never"

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

god I've always hated Randy Johnson so much.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

I've been completely wrong about the Yanks and Red Sox in the playoffs and I don't mind a bit.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 8 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

Me too, although you can never rule out the Yanks overcoming all that is good and holy by coming back to win games four and five against superior pitching (they already got a break with the rainout).

After seeing how well the Angels and White Sox have played in the ALDS, I definitely want to see a series between them now.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 8 October 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Paraphrased from the bottom of the 7th (0 out, runner @ 1st, Bernie Williams @ the plate):

Brennemann: Do you have Willams bunt the runner over?
McCarver: No?
Brennemann: (incredulously) Why not?
McCarver: Because he can't bunt!

Bernie proceeded to pop up to shallow center.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

BTW THANK YOU ANGELS for running into two outs IN THE SAME INNING. Slapheads.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of slapheads - some dimwit on ESPN Radio was simultaneously waxing Jeter's pole AND absolving Figgins of any blame for the lame throw he made home on Jeter's dribbler to 3rd that scored Posada. Because Jeter's in another stratosphere w/ all his blessed clutchness, and you can't blame a guy that doesn't regularly play 3rd (a guy w/ a sub-standard arm, BTW) for making a bad throw.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

i think taking out Lackey was a dumb move.

― gear (gear), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

Maybe. He had 70ish pitches, I think, when he was yanked, so he might've been running on fumes (because of the 3-day-rest thing) and he had just given up a run, and the Angel bullpen is usually money. Except when Scott Shields screws the pooch by trying to pitch to Ruben Sierra as if he's worth a damn. And Chone Figgins turfs a throw home with THE CATCHER running to the plate.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

I've only watched parts of the Angels/Yanquis, but it seems like every time I turn it on, the Angels always do something stupid. Running into outs, a badly-timed (and failed) hit and run, just stupid times for steals in general.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Also - FFS Finley is such a waste. Play Erstad in CF, play Kotchmann or Quinlan or my mom @ 1st PLEASE, and keep Old Man Fin on the bench until you need fancy late-inning defense.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

The Angels completely self-destructed. Even the tying run should have never scored because Molina was standing about five feet in front of the plate. Vlad's throw was a good one and I think they'd have had the runner if Molina had been in position to make a play.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 10 October 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

LOS ANGELES PITCHER BARTOLO COLON HAS LEFT THE GAME IN THE SECOND INNING WITH AN APPARENT LOWER BACK INJURY.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Da radio said it was his right shoulder - that's why he was shaking and stretching his arm so much between pitches.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Who was that The Anaheim coach with the very stylish and "in" spectacles?

― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Well, thank goodness I rushed home in time to catch this bullshit.

The Yankees won the rainout battle and got to rest their battered bullpen. Then Washburn got sick, so they got Lackey on short rest instead. Thus, Lackey had to leave the game earlier then he would have and the Yankees were able to make a "comeback" thanks to some of the crummiest defensive and managerial lapses I've seen this year. To top it off, the Angels 21-game winner gets hurt ten minutes into Game 5 (now they're calling it "shoulder inflammation", wtf) and they have to bring in a rookie to relieve him.

What have the Yankees done to actually WIN this series for themselves? (besides Rivera)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Awesome man-on-man action in right center -- "IT'S IN THE GAP!"

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:18 (twenty years ago)

sheff and bernie fucked, allowing two runs to score?

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:20 (twenty years ago)

Sheff and Bubba.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

This series has been awful to watch.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:37 (twenty years ago)

But yet it's been the only series worth watching.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

giambi douches it up again!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

what'd he do? I'm watching this on yahoo

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

men on first and third, one out, grounder to giambi at first. he charges and throws a little floating nubber to posada that had ZERO chance of getting vlad. everyone safe.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

xxxpost : 18 innings of Houston-Atlanta wasn't worth watching?

I sense a karma reversal -- first the Sheff-Bubba collision, then Vlad going first to third on a ball that Sheffield almost caught (McCarver was licking Vlad's balls and calling it good baserunning, all while acknowledging that if the ball was caught then he'd be doubled up -- THEN HOW CAN IT BE GOOD BASERUNNING? ), and now Giambi throwing home when he had no play.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

He had zero chance of getting Vlad either way. Vlad got a fantastic jump.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

robble

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

2 Questions:

#1 would Bernie/anyone else be a better 1B than Giambi?
#2 how long until the Big Unit shows up?

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

1. tino, andy phillips, max cleland
2. holla!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

now playing 1B for the Yankees, Kevin Maas.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

my favorite JASON GIAMBI DEFENSIVE DRILL VIDEO this season was against toronto about a month ago. simple grounder hit to first. giambi picks it. the pitcher runs over to cover, since the g-man makes erosion look fast. giambi goes for the soft underhand toss to the waiting pitcher at the bag when -- OH NO! -- giambi's throw goes STRAIGHT UP LIKE TWENTY FUCKING FEET AND LANDS NEAR THE DUGOUT.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)

Ladies and gentlemen, we may see $50 million worth of pitching take the mound this evening...

Ync, why don't you lay off the AL comeback player of the year, already? Why don't YOU try deciding between throwing to second to get the sure out and throwing home when there's no play when YOU'VE been through the hell the great Giambino has!

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

(ahem, Yankee pitching)

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

it's shameful & it's painful but it's hard to give a shit these days

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

OMG Sterling needs someone to slap him upside the head so he stops repeating this "how can you figure baseball" horseshit!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Classic sloppy baseball.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

John, you're on the first step to recovery, bless your heart.

― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

Yanks jobbed on that grounder to A-rod.

And, dear god, McCarver still can't pronounced Erstad's last name properly.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

"Smith"

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

that first base ump definitely seems to have it in for the yanks

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

oh come on, that was a close enough play. didn't make a bit of difference anyway.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

You've got to love Jeter's nonchalant flip. Do these guys ever lose confidence?

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

j'agree. but that cano play... that was like calling traveling in the last 30 seconds of a game. (keep in mind that i have switched allegiances to the yankees -- i have decided that it was the impending flu that had me foolishly cheering the bombers)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

FROM the yankees, not to

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

Finally, I'm getting the notion that Scioscia has a finishing strategy for this game. I was getting flashbacks to Pedro 2003. Earth to Mike: IT'S GAME FIVE. ALL HANDS ON DECK YO.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

[mod note: yanc3y has been temporarily banned from ILB.

xpost: nevermind]

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

;-)

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Hopefully the strategy doesn't involve leaving K-Rod in longer than two innings.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

anyway: a hand for ervin santana? cano, small, chris burke...is this the POSTSEASON OF THE ROOKIES?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

king of garbage time gidp

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

For the Yanks, a walk would be just as good as a home run right now.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

anyone catch the first base ump's name?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

Game Details
Umpires: HP--Joe West. 1B--Jim Reynolds. 2B--Gary Darling. 3B--Jerry Meals. LF--Derryl Cousins. RF--Alfonso Marquez.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

gracias

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

A-Rod's 2005 postseason: 2-15 = .133

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

watch womak get thrown out at home...

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

thank God

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Phew!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

okay angels, now go lose to the pale hose

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

So who will be falling on The Boss's sword first?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

I hope A-Rod wins the MVP now.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

that cano call was comeuppance for the bullshit matsui baserunning that he should have gotten called out for during the saturday boston game before the playoffs.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

Mel's as good as gone.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

FWIW, the Wonder Twins (both on the Yankee broadcast and the Fox broadcast) said the "shit" call was made by Joe West. The same guy that called the Cano phantom tag in the Angels favor. Methinks Cano done diddled Mr. West's lady.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

The Yanks shoddy defense hurt them more than their shoddy pitching, but really the Angels did the job shutting down A-Rod, Sheff and Matsui at the plate.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

nice pitching job by usher tonight

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

I think Mel may already have another gig.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Kennedy, the No. 9 hitter who was MVP of the 2002 ALCS, lined a triple to right-center with two outs in the second. Sheffield, in right, and center fielder Bubba Crosby collided hard and hit the wall trying for the catch. Two runs scored as the Angels went ahead 3-2, and the Yankees never recovered.
"I don't think either one of us could hear each other call it. I don't think either one of us knew we could catch it until right at the last minute," Crosby said. "It was one of those gray areas. He put it right in the right spot. Sheff is aggressive, I'm aggressive and we collided."
"I'm sure he thought being aggressive was the way to go," Sheffield said. "But I was calling for it, he played the ball like the white Ken Harvey, and that was the game."

Sheffield added, "Fuck. That. Guy."

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 05:05 (twenty years ago)

>that was like calling traveling in the last 30 seconds of a game.<

No analogies to unwatchable sports, please! I believe in enforcing the rules at all points of the game, meself.

The Cano call was PERFECT -- wtf is the lane there for if running in it is optional?? Or were the Yanks just due for a cheating-assisted world title again (Reggie's 1978 hip interference, the 1996 little bleachers bastard vs the Orioles -- I hope that kid is someone's prison slave by now)? It's true it wasn't called on the JC Martin bunt in the 1969 Series, but hey, that was Mets Magic!

DR, why the hell were you subjecting yourself to Sterling? Anyway:

Yankees SUCK! THUUUUUUHH YANKEES SUCK!!!!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Nice sabermetric analysis, Morbs!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Pure hatred re the Bronx Bullshitters is my higher passion, babe.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

nice pitching job by usher tonight
-- mookieproof (mookieproo...), October 10th, 2005 11:42 PM. (mookieproof) (later)

Ha ha I kept thinking this too. And for those first couple of innings, when he wasn't pitching that great, he kept looking like he was about to burst into tears.

What a weird game.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Hey, dude, I hear ya. My editor and friend Dave Schreiner (who was an editor at Kitchen Sink Press, worked with Will Eisner and R. Crumb and lots of those guys) died a couple years ago, and the overriding theme at his memorial service was "FUCK THE YANKEES". But y'know what? I love Robinson Cano, and I'm starting to think that maybe Derek Jeter really IS a great playoff hitter.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Yancey OTM, the Cano call was seriously questionable. 1st base was land of questionable calls. Not that it mattered much cos as soon as those morons jacked each other in the outfield running after a ball it seemed like obvious city that the game was just not going to recover for the Yankees. Though honestly I could seriously watch that 17 times in slow motion and laugh each time. Jeter did his best but Matsui and A-Rod were just completely shut down (kind of for the whole series).

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

How questionable, when the replays clearly show that Cano did what the rulebook forbids?

Bernie should've been in CF; in his decrepitude, he wouldn't have gotten near Sheffield.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

Zing!

DM, I was listening to Sterling because I was at my PC, not near a TV, and the only station broadcasting the game was the local ESPN Radio affiliate, which carries the Yankee broadcast. So I got to hear Waldmyn & Sterling squirm in their chairs for 6+ innings.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I dunno why Cano wasn't just running IN THE BOX like he should've, unless he was trying to get fancy w/ the blocking of the throw.

Also, for all you Jeter lovers / haters: in 441 post-season ABs, he's got 14 HRs and a line of 306 / 380 / 456. HOWEVER, please note that he was Mr. Clutched His Chest in:

- the 2004 ALCS
- the 2003 ALCS
- the 2001 ALCS and WS
- the 2000 ALDS (which was the series w/ THE TOSS, right?)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha that Sheffield quote is priceless! Is it for real?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

>for all you Jeter lovers / haters: in 441 post-season ABs, he's got 14 HRs and a line of 306 / 380 / 456.<

And his regular-season career line: 314 / 386 / 461, with 12 HR per 441 AB. So in October, he's MR. AS USUAL.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah but compared to a lot of other chokers that looks pretty good!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Give A-Rod that many appearances, and he'll approach his expected stats.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

FYI, for A-Slap (prior to this year):

103 ABs: 6 HRs, 330 / 395 / 583

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

We already had this discussion upthread ... of all the long-tenured Yankees, only Rivera can claim to be stepping it up for the playoffs.

Until yesterday, Jeter wasn't having a good ALDS. Sure, he goes 3-5 with a homer when they lose, but what good did it do? They lost! Where was he when the team needed him?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

He was pumping his fist - I don't know what else you could ask the guy. Also, he had a key groundout in Game 4! THAT'S CLUTCH BABY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, if Torre and/or Cashman goes, Mets outwin the Yanks next year.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

I won't bet against that.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

They won, what, eleven fewer games than the Yankees did this year? A five game swing by each team is easy to visualize.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

teh stage is set for sweet lou to replace the t-t-t-torre. mel said he was as good as gone at the beginning of the year (not in so many words) so good riddance. matsui will bee back because he just wants to play for los yanquis; bernie might come back in a bench capacity, though I doubt he'd want it. who else can they get rid of? tino, I think... womack will probably be bought out...

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Matt Lawton, but I think Steinbrenner had him greased.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Haha oh noes a millimetre or two "out of teh box" whut a bastard and obv. a clear call! As clear as that 1b safe shortly afterward! Yancey and I are teh stupid!!

Anyway. Yeah MIR is right, the Mets weren't a BAD team last year so it's not exactly a bold claim. I hope they do it, I always like it when those little Mets pull something out of their ass and become big winnas, it makes me grin! The Yankees need to do something that doesn't involve purchasing 90-year-old future hall of famers at ridiculous rates to keep them for two seasons. I mean, if they want to stay tops in the league. They might not. I mean good on them, either way, you go little buckaroos etc.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Who knows, maybe the Yankees learned something this year by spending tens of millions on pitchers that everybody knew would a) decline in performance, b) get injured, or c) both, only to have their season rescued by small potatoes like Small and Chacon.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I sure hope not.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Re: Senor Clutcho, what this guy sez:

Derek Jeter hit a home run Friday with the Yankees down four runs. He hit one last night with the team down three. The one last night was pointed to, by the game broadcasters as well as the ones on "SportsCenter," as evidence of his "clutchness."
Not for nothing, but why is it if Alex Rodriguez hits a solo homer with the Yankees down by a bunch, it's evidence that he's a stat-padding loser, but when Jeter does it, it's clutch?
It's just another example of the double standard in place for the two players. Neither covered themsleves in glory in the series--the statistical difference between the two is those two Jeter home runs, whose value seems to be entirely in who hit them--yet Jeter comes out as Captain Intangible while Rodriguez, whose back is still a bit sore from carrying the team in the '04 Division Series, for which he got no credit, is the choke artist.
It ain't right.

Anyone else notice the venom dripping from Buck's voice as he called A-Rod's DP and noted his failure in the ALDS?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I means this guy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

That guy being Joe Sheehan...

You got it, Ally! Just like the "millimeters" fair or foul decided the Houston-Atlanta game. (Please only use that unit of measure in Toronto games, however.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I knows who that guy is! I just figured I'd credit him anonymously. (BTW, he's a Yankee fan.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

When people tell me things over and over, I believe them. Derek Jeter is clutch, Alex Rodriguez is clutch purse. THERE'S YR DIFFERENCE RIGHT THERE.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I might have made up the Sheffield bit xxxxpost

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Fucking hell, are we going to see Yankees v Red Sox in the ALCS AGAIN????
-- MindInRewind (mbvarkestra197...), October 2nd, 2005 1:24 PM. (Barry Bruner)

No.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

sheehan is less of a yankees fan than i am

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

I really don't think many BP staffers' original "fandom" shows up in their work. Less so than, say, Gammons?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nypost.com/img/animatedc.gif

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Tim Keown in ESPN today, emphasis added by me:

"The Yankees had a chance in the top of the ninth, down two against Frankie Rodriguez. Derek Jeter -- the anti-A-Rod -- led off with a fierce single to left, and up came A-Rod as the tying run. And as he strolled to the plate, I know I'm not the only one who had this crazy thought: Make him bunt. Ridiculous, maybe, but there was absolutely no reason to think he could get the job done. He hit into a double play, effectively ending the Yankees' season.

Jeter had three hits in front of him Sunday night. Jason Giambi and Gary Sheffield each had three hits behind him. A-Rod had two hits in five games, both in the Yankees' 11-7 loss in Game 3.

It's a fascinating case study. During the regular season, the man is as consistently spectacular as any player of his generation. But when everybody's watching, A-Rod plays with a self-consciousness that's rare in a great athlete."

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Remember when Barry Bonds was a postseason choker, as evidenced by like 3 at bats?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

You got it, Ally! Just like the "millimeters" fair or foul decided the Houston-Atlanta game

The issue is not whether the rules are the rules, it's just whether those rules are always so zealously enforced, and whether it's perhaps a bit odd that a rarely-invoked rule was invoked at a crucial time in a crucial game, cf. the notorious 'pine tar' game.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

OTM. See also: questionable call safe, the amazing shrinking and expanding strike zone. I mean rules are rules, right? Strike zones are strike zones, right?

I mean, don't get me wrong, the Yankees still woulda lost, I mean I'm not sure what the hell Rodriguez, Sheffield and Matsui were even there for. All I'm saying is that Yancey et al have points about Joe West seeming to have a huge hard on for the Yankees. I think sitting there and pretending that there isn't any questioning his decisions last night is kind of disreputable to your own argument, which, I would assume, should circle around the fact that even if those calls were played differently, Angels more than likely still would've won because their pitching and defense was significantly better than the Yankees were last night.

I was just reading that ESPN piece three minutes ago!

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

I mean to risk the ire of Morbius at someone acknowledging other sports exist, there's a world of difference between judging whether a field goal is good or bad versus whether or not a player stepped the edge of his foot out of bounds while catching a ball. That foul ball comparison is an identical comparison to the one I just made, basically. I don't think there's a single person in the world who is actually going to argue the Yankees lost because of bad calls, they lost cos $25Million & Friends couldn't do their jobs during this series.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

BBT: Yanks over Angels in 5 = 3 points
gygax!: Yanqs in 5 = 3 points
Rock Hardy: Angels in 4 = 6 points
MIR: Yanks in 5 = 3 points
Alex in SF: Angels in 4 = 6 points
Thermo Thinwall: I predict I will continue to not understand the Yankee's success in 5 = 3 points
gear: oh god please angels in 5 = 10 points
boldbury: Angels in 5 = 10 points
JimmyTM: I never thought the Yankees would be in the PO's anyway, so I'll change horses and say NY in 4 = 0 points
polyphonic: Angels in 3 = 4.5 points
Dr Morbius: Angels in 4 = 6 points

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

that makes up for my prediction of a padres sweep

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

The Cano basepath call will lead many Yankee fans to conspiracy theories about that umpire, it's worth talking about on drive-time radio. But the idea (expressed above by Yanc3dog last night) that any of the other calls at first base were also evidence of the conspiracy is, I think, silly, as the dude was safe and tie goes to the runner. Also, Cano DID hop off second early in the 4th game, and got called for it, and the Yankees still won.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

OK, I finally understand gygax's point system:

Correct team + # of games = 10 pts
Correct team, off by one game = 6 pts
correct team, off by two games = 4.5 pts
correct # of games = 3 pts
all other combos = 0 pts

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

haha, that's the method but how abandoning it in favor of 10 for nailing it, 5 for getting the team.

(that 4.5 is only if you've guessed the right # of games if the series went to 5 games which seems unfair in retrospect).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Remember this? What happened to "the rules" on this one?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/blauchhead.jpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't remember it, but bum calls at the Yankees' expense = fine by me.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Oct 7, 1998. Ball hits Fryman in the back, Knoblauch stands and yells at ump as ball rolls into right field and Fryman rounds the bases unmolested as Knoblauch yells.. Daily News headline: "Blauchead"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Somebody should have molested Fryman as he ran the bases. That would have been a series to truly remember.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

The real question I have is WHY DO SO MUCH OF THE YANKEE'S DYNASTIC HOPES RIDE ON CLOSE CALLS AT FIRST BASE?

Also, Fryman should have been out but Knoblauch was indeed a blauchead.

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

he was more concerned with blowing a bubble than catching the ball, too, apparently

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Blowing bubbles, hitting his mom with a throw ... Knobby had quite a late-career skill set.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

He was the Mackey Sasser of his generation!

― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

it's a shame, cuz the guy's peak was pretty fantastic, his '96 stats are pretty awesome.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

that was keith olberman's mom, I thought.

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

his 96 stats are at teh metrodome...

― Jimmy Mod wants you to tighten the strings on your corset (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Knoblauch was just doing his best Steve Sax impersonation with those throws. Robbie Alomar also completely flamed out, so there must be something about being a good 2b and signing a big free agent deal in NY.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

metrodome or not, 98 bb, 140 runs, .341 avg is pretty damn good!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Tim Keown in ESPN today, emphasis added by me:

Here's a pretty satisfying rebuttal:

http://firejoemorgan.blogspot.com/2005/10/tim-keown-head-case.html

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

The Yanq's (and BoSox's) performance is scientific proof that this form of Moneyball just doesn't work.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Billy Beane's novel Moneyball is filled with lies.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

What form of Moneyball is this?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

Nebbish.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

his 96 stats are at teh metrodome...

Wait WTF, it'll take a lot of convincing after this year's Twins season that the Dome is a hitter's park. Jacque Jones hit under .250 there. Morneau hit .201 for fuck's sake!

Back on-topic-ish: I suppose A-Rod can gain solace in the fact that he made off with the Pepsi before Vlad could get it.

― disco violence (disco violence), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)

Cashman's successor needs to get PLAYERS WITOUT DA SELF-CONSHUSSNESS

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

I suppose A-Rod can gain solace in the fact that he made off with the Pepsi before Vlad could get it.

Hahahahahahaha ok classique.

A-Rod's been giving himself some kind of self-beating in the press the past coupla days, to the point where I feel like going up to him and saying "C'mon lil' guy, it'll be ok" and I'm not exactly his biggest fan. The bloggy makes a good point vis a vis Matsui and Sheffield being just as big of "head cases."

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

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