Rolling MLB 2009 Trades/Transactions/Trade Deadline

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11925937

J.P. Ricciardi didn't say he'll trade Roy Halladay.

He also didn't say he wouldn't.

In fact, as the Blue Jays' general manager looked ahead to the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline, what he said Sunday was, "We have to be open to anything."

Anything means anybody. And anybody means a certain All-Star right-hander who might just be the best starting pitcher in baseball.

And while that doesn't mean Ricciardi is ready to sell Halladay off to the highest bidder, it sure does sound like he's willing to listen.

"We have to see what makes us better," he said. "Obviously, if people have interest in Roy Halladay, they'd better realize there's a steep price that's going to come with it."

i knew this would be about Doc.
everytime i start reading this b.s. my teeth start a grindin'.

Dos Tony Peñas en la Liga Americana, el división central.

Had to rifle through a bunch of Mets wisecracks for this:

SI_JonHeyman
halladay gave #jays gm go-ahead to find a trade for him. friend says he's "shy'' but thinks he'd approve ny, phil, bos.

fuck all sox fans for their inevitable fixation on halladay while the thing that is going to cost the team a playoff spot is an overachieving util guy at ss and a guy whose aaa stint resulted in a fabulous 182/273/295 at first.

halladay gave #jays gm go-ahead to find a trade for him. friend says he's "shy'' but thinks he'd approve ny, phil, bos. a playoff team

Imagine him in the NL.

they said the same thing about johan...

The Rockies blog I post on has several serious discussions about what the team should give up to get hometwon boy Halladay. Am I being harsh when I tell them I think there's zero chance of this happening no matter who we trade?

tell them the gd truth mark, my guess right now is 70/30 halladay goes nowhere.

"fuck all sox fans for their inevitable fixation on halladay while the thing that is going to cost the team a playoff spot is an overachieving util guy at ss and a guy whose aaa stint resulted in a fabulous 182/273/295 at first."

Isn't Lowrie supposed to be back soon?

Red Sox look to be in pretty good shape to me. Not sure where this costing them a playoff spot stuff is coming from.

if the phillies get halladay im going to murder someone

it would be sad to see him pitch in that stadium tho

personally i think the giants should trade 8 players for him and try and win 3 of every 5 games 2-1 - if they made the playoffs they would win the world series

any phillie phanatics want to tell me who they have that they would trade for doc?

alex, the sox need infield help imo. lowrie should be back kind of soon but i'm not bullish on his 2009 potential, and lowell is a serious concern both because of his injury and how he was playing before it.

The only dude less likely to get traded than Halladay is Vernon "Horrible Contract" Wells.

god forbid the sox allow big popless to play a position...

/morbius <3

moot point, dude.

if the phillies get halladay im going to murder someone

jp ricciardi plz.

altho this wuz prob said by the cards batboy~

Asked about the price tag for Halladay, a club source said: "Give Ricciardi all our minor-league rosters and let him circle any 5 names."

R Church for J Francoeur!

We need Morbs now more than ever.

http://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/2574421721

FireJerryManuel no. no no no no no no n on on onon nono no no no francoeur you're kidding me i'im going to puke no no no
5 minutes ago from web

FireJerryManuel i was bout to post saying that was i praying to god for brandon wood, only satan answered and gave me, oh god i can't even say it. im sick.
4 minutes ago from web

FireJerryManuel we just traded for the 5th worst player in baseball. the player i've spent more time laughing at than i've spent time laughing at farts.
less than 5 seconds ago from web

wait really?

mets mngmt never seemed to like church but what does this really do for them? lol mets once again

O_O

oh my godd

UNBAN MORBS RIGHT FUCKING NOW

someone email/IM him for a reaction plz

I just Facebook msg'd him

he really did curse his team in these trying times...

sorry morbs.

victor zambrano is also available

This is my favorite thing that happened today. This will produce ream upon ream of stupid articles written up by the ny sports press.

i just FB msg'd him too. yikes.

at least citi will explain francouers diminished power numbers

where is canks?

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/p1_minaya.jpg

he's actually hitting himself in that picture like daffy duck

So who is going to play CF? Can they give Kenny Lofton a contract and see what he can do out there? An outfield of Murphy-Lofton-Sheffield would be legit.

[Dr Morbouirs] at 6:39pm July 10
Minaya is now officially in the first tier of moronic GMs. He may be top three.

Italics mine.

O_O

i think the royals' trade earlier is worse honestly

SARGE I WAS TAKING A NAP AND NOW IT'S LIKE I WOKE UP IN A NEW UTOPIA

he really did curse his team in these trying times...

sorry morbs.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, July 10, 2009 6:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol even shasta feels too bad for him to talk shit

wait when/why was Morbs banned?!?

he hit 52 :(

holy shit francoeur. i am surprised morbs is still among the living.

I don't give a shit about Church, but I'm awfully glad to be rid of the deaf, dumb and blind boy.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0603/gallery.coverjinx/images/082905.jpg

lol with bonus jake delhomme content.

"Omar has always talked to me and told me how much he likes my energy and the way that I play," Francoeur said. "I'm looking forward to getting up there and playing in front of a packed house every night."

lol citi will be a graveyard soon at this rate

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2009/07/new_york_mets_trade_ryan_churc.html

"We like Ryan Church a lot," Minaya said. "But right now we just wanted to change it up a little bit. Unfortunately for him (Church), he got hurt. When he got hurt, he was having a pretty good year. ... We thought we just needed something different. It had nothing to do with not liking Ryan.... One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

he has energy, he plays the game in a likeable way, and he plays a lot of games.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/staubbook.jpg

"we love the number of shits he takes"

wanting to "change it up a little bit"......jesus h christ how can you say that to the media and still hold a job.

as neyer noted:

Since coming off the DL in early June, Church's line is .290/.336/.402 ... far from good for a corner outfielder, but decent enough compared to most of the Mets' other outfielders ... and of course a far sight prettier than Francoeur's .250/.282/.352 line for the season.

the dude is hitting like julio franco did when he was 50

fyi francoeur makes abt $500k more too!

.273/.330/.370 was julio's line in his last full season w/the mets

i can't believe that there are players with obps under .300

jimmy rollins throwin down a .278 in a half season.

If they ask you do I walk like Youk, tell 'em... "no," but once I do get on I could steal a base
And when they ask 'bout me, you say "He threw it down, threw it down, threw it down, threw it down, threw it down"

I'm all up on you like a Virgil Trucks
I'm poppin' up like shortstop, head's up

but with as much swinging as i do i could start a fire

Hey, bring the heater, I'm swingin' out my shoes
Call me Oddibe the way I struck my ass out

hey, bring the water, i can't hit ben sheets
shorty throw that fastball right by me

shorty, town after town, i'm goin down
just call me preston wilson the way you struck my ass out

Ch-ch-charlie need my love

A-T-L-A-N-T-A G-A is where i K

A-T-L-A-N-T-A G-A is where i K

― sugg life (J0rdan S.), Friday, July 10, 2009 11:40 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol this is killin me

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/190827556/jon_heyman_normal.jpg
they should have found a way in francoeur-church trade to include 3rd underachieving NL East RF hermida & made it 3-way

klaw tweets in:

@benbryan I only evaluate trades that include either big leaguers or prospects. Not stiffs. I guess the Mets got the bigger stiff, though.about 8 hours ago from web in reply to benbryan

someone local asked me who jeff francoeur is and i said he's like neifi perez but an outfielder.

not too far off shasta

perez .267/.297/.375
francouer .266/.308/.424

omg dude go to bed

uh you!

francouer .266/.308/.424

was confused by this until i realized that's his career line - been several years since he's OPSed above 700

Lol jordan I was already up for the next day!

Apparently, anyone who wants Halladay has to take either Wells or Rios as well.

pedro to the tastykakes

i can't believe that there are players with obps under .300

― J0rdan S., Friday, July 10, 2009 8:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

the 2009 Oakland Athletics baseball team made famous by the Hollywood blockbuster MONEYBALL have a team OBP of .314

Zubaid Mushfiq at 10:33pm July 11
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!! i cant bealive this shit the braves are so fucking stupid right now they traded a home town hero for a slightly less talented older guy. jeff should have been a brave for life u assholes! and if we couldnt avoid this we should have atleast tryed to get someone worth it! this kind of idiocracy pisses me off. and it sux cuz i want ... Read Morejeff to fail as a player because hes with our rivals or be productive in a way that dosent help the team win or just get traded to a team out of the division. we'll miss u J. FRANK!

chris duncan for julio lugo is one random ass trade

whoa

Esp. after they just got Adam Laroche. . .

apparently the sox turned down victor martinez for bucholz

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__32/ept_sports_mlb_experts-73579913-1248300814.jpg?ymOMSnBDoJ_gXkYx

Duncan in LF in Boston makes a ton of sense, and he can also play 1B, and they got him for nothing.

Duncan in LF in Boston makes a ton of sense

uh... you think so?
http://redsoxchick.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/baywatch.jpg

not sure if duncan has much of a career left but a lh outfielder stashed in aaa is nice.

Human Rain Delay Jr to Rockies

^ R Betancourt

uh... you think so?

Not saying he should start.

happy holliday in the stl? goodbye, brett walrus? :(

can ankiel play CF?

i thought he could

that is a really nice OF if so...

holliday, rasmus, ludwick. ank is 4.

I loved draft day a couple years ago when Wallace was picked and the only thing people talked about was how huge his ass was.

yeah they shoulda tried his fat ass at third over joe thurston at least once.....

bnw: ankiel is what now?

ooohhhh, just looked at his splits. RIP

his two homers in the past two months have been against the royals and the nats. big time!!

All the A's fans who bitched incessantly about drafting Weeks over Wallace should shut up now thankfully.

weeks is so dope imo

Yeah I never got the complaint. Wallace is pretty awesome, but he's a weak defense 3B or a 1B. Weeks has the potential to be an all star 2B. You draft for that potential.

Sounds like the Phillies are going to get Halladay.

Ugh, ugh, etc.

their GM should've been fired had he not gotten him

yeah they had to do it.

if they ended up facing the giants in the first round and losing because they had jamie moyer throwing against matt cain in a deciding game he would've looked pretty fucking dumb for protecting kyle drabek (or whoever)

i mean imagine if the red sox had deemed hanley ramirez "untouchable" - sometimes you just gotta let em go (especially when your farm system is so stacked)

you know theo tried really, really, really hard to get him back right?

common wisdom is that the hanley trade occurred during theo's resignation and he was opposed to it.

oh and if by "really, really, really hard" you mean "made a routine phone call and the story was blown up by the media" then yes

i heard like twenty dudes on tv and radio say that now pujols finally has the "protection" he needs, which is just the dumbest shit ever, as if pitchers will suddenly start giving pujols better pitches to hit because they're hoping to avoid facing matt holliday.

welp if theres a team that needs more outfielders it's the cards

btw i think jor-sar was saiyen that it's a good thing the sawks DIDNT consider hanram untouchable, which i tebnd 2agree w/~

xpost

haha yeah all these guys are talking about Pujols being intentionally walked 35 times this year, as if things are somehow going to be different with Holliday (y'know, because nobody would dream of IBB'ing Pujols to pitch to Holliday instead).

haram hanram

there's a weird implication in that theory that "yeah now albert will finally be able to start doing some damage!" imo protection only works if it's the reverse, the great hitter placed behind the much lesser one, but even then idk how much it comes into play.

^^^2000 NL MVP^^^

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9851692/Sources:-Angels-intensify-bid-in-Halladay-chase

the Jays countered the Angels offer by asking for a four player package that included Joe Saunders, Brandon Wood, Erick Aybar, and one prospect from the group of Trevor Reckling, Peter Bourjos, and Sean O'Sullivan.

If I'm running the Angels, I'd do this deal.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9854894/Sources:-Dodgers-in-talks-to-get-Indians%27-Lee

Top club officials from both teams strongly denied a FOXSports.com report saying that the teams were in serious discussions about a blockbuster that would send left-hander Cliff Lee and catcher Victor Martinez to Los Angeles for first baseman James Loney, one of the Dodgers' young rotation members and prospects.

"young rotation member" obv being billingsley as the dodgers won't even include kershaw in a deal for halladay

can i just reiterate one more time that if the phillies balk on halladay they are insane

i wonder how bill "chad billingsley may be the best pitcher in the game" plaschke would feel about such a trade.

What are the Dodgers even going to do with Martinez? Isn't Martin still their catcher?

first base if they trade loney surely?

here's a huge rundown of all deadline things basically

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9854856/BoSox-involved-in-Halladay-talks-and-more-

The Jays told the Rangers they would want left-hander Derek Holland, first baseman Justin Smoak and "two other top guys."

they're never gonna trade him if they're demanding packages like this

to be fair ricardi has acknowledged this and because of it has basically said that he doesn't expect halladay will be traded

personally i think they should unload him - at this point i'm sure most of the fanbase has made peace with it and they really should get something for him because they likely aren't going to make the playoffs and then he's gone

isnt he signed on for another year after this one?

yeah i meant they aren't going to make the playoffs next year either

lol welp

cant argue w/that tbqh

i agree w/u completely that philly is completely retarded if they dont make this happen btw

if they got halladay with that lineup they would honestly mow down every team including the dodgers imo who secretly can't score runs - like this weekend they absolutely murdered the cardinals in 2 out of 3 games and the cards probably have the second or third best lineup in the majors at this point (granted they saw the back end of the cards rotation but even still that lineup is just insane)

i still have to think philly is gonna do it. jays wanted happ, drabek, brown, philly countered w/happ plus a couple random dudes. plenty of room in the middle there.

heard that this morning and my first thought was that it was close enough that it could happen soon.

If they're just going to play Martinez at 1b, he doesn't seem like that big of an upgrade on Loney.

Also, Cliff Lee is great and everything, but what makes him more tested than Billingsley or Kershaw? He has no playoff experience.

i think it would be a retarded trade as well

it seems like a zero-sum deal strictly based on talent, except the dodgers would be giving away players with a potentially high ceiling in favor of guys who may have already peaked.

this wouldn't surprise me at all given how fucking dense coletti is.

I think this rumor got debunked pretty quickly. I wouldnt be surprised if Ned is trying to pull of some sort of deal because a.) he tries this shit every year and b.) his job is more or less on the line since his contract is up this year and hes been reigned in by McCourt a couple times before and has quality subordinates under him waiting to take his job.

and c. see post above

this would be like trading away pedro martinez and eric karros for bill swift and benito santiago

benito will cut you for that

the dodgers have experience in trading away pedro martinez so we are pros at this shit

Which side do you think would turn down a Vernon Wells for Barry Zito trade? The Jays, right?

yes.
both sides probably.

where'd this come from?

Just I thought I was having while pondering some of baseball's worst contracts.

Just A thought...

Garko to the Giants...

IMPACT BAT

Which side do you think would turn down a Vernon Wells for Barry Zito trade? The Jays, right?

Even without considering the leagues/ballparks of the two teams, the Jays have shown that they can assemble a starting rotation out of spare parts, so I'd much rather have a plus defender at a key position who can hit a little.

vernon wells' UZR this year is -21

poly, did you see this article on espn.com? it lists the 15 most untradeable players in baseball, and wells is two and zito is one

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/090727&sportCat=mlb&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

I saw it after I posted in this thread. I would love to see that trade happen. I think Wells could actually have a nice season or two in the NL, whereas Zito would get shredded in the AL East.

Yankees looking into Arroyo must be a hoax, RIGHT?

Sage Rosenthal expresses remorse over the state of trade deadline bullshit pedaling:

"The thing that bothers me in this day and age is that nobody really cares about being wrong," says Ken Rosenthal of Foxsports.com, who noted he corrected an error in one of his online reports within an hour of its original post Sunday.

"When I started," says Rosenthal, who has covered baseball since 1984, "the biggest sin of all was to be wrong. But it just blows my mind that people don't feel bad about being wrong. Our standards have dropped. And it bothers the hell out of me."

I'm pretty sure I heard a fair amount of b.s. from reporters before the Internet existed.

BOSTON (AP) — The Boston Red Sox have traded outfielder Mark Kotsay and cash to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Brian Anderson.

Here is your every day opportunity, young man. *cough*

i just accidentally typed "lol brian anderson" into my internet search box.

Epstein is doing a very good job of upgrading the Pawtucket team.

geez kotsay's wikipedia already updated

They had Buerhle's no-hitter on "Perfect Games" and "List of No Hitters" within 5 minutes. Freaked me out a little.

i don't get that trade.

for either side.

giants apparently going hard after freddy sanchez

without even looking at the gigantes roster i support them in that.

However, the $8.1-million option for next season that triggers if Sanchez reaches 600 plate appearances this season remains a stumbling block for many teams. It is one of the reasons why San Francisco has backed off, particularly after acquiring first baseman/outfielder Ryan Garko from Cleveland in a trade on Monday night.

Multiple executives say they believe the Pirates have little chance of getting much in return for Sanchez without being willing [to pay] part of the option.

really? 8.1 for freddy sanchez is an issue for sf?

Barry Zito ain't free now is he?

they should murder him

hahahah

buchholz, bowden, and ryan westmoreland offered by sox for halladay.

and rejected.

1:57pm: Yahoo's Gordon Edes reports that the Red Sox offered "at least" Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and Ryan Westmoreland to the Blue Jays for Halladay. In my opinion, that is a very strong offer. Edes says the Jays would like to acquire a shortstop since they are "vigorously shopping" Marco Scutaro. That means the Sox might need to get creative.

Edes says Daniel Bard and Casey Kelly "have been declared off-limits by the Red Sox." And while the Dodgers deem Clayton Kershaw untouchable, they've at least discussed internally the possibility of moving Chad Billingsley. Billingsley might be the best name we've heard yet in connection with Halladay, though remember that Edes labeled that an internal discussion.

I do not for a second believe that Buchholz/Bowden/Westmoreland rumor.

for either side.

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:44 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark

CHI got rid of Anderson, gained possible occasional presence of Jamie Kotsay.

xp not agreeing or disagreeing but why?

i wouldn't be surprised if only because i feel like the bosox would really love to trump the sabathia signing.

Cuz they've been declaring Buchholz off-limits for virtually every other deal and I don't buy that they're going to change that for 1.5 years of Halladay.

Although I guess if they are worried that they won't make the playoffs (I have no idea why they'd be worried about that, but whatever) than anything's possible.

really? you have no idea why they'd be worried about that?

tbf if they were worried about that it's a hitter not a pitcher they need to get.

Sure I get they've been in a brief funk for the last week or two, but beating the crap out of the A's and the O's for the next six games'll cure that I'm sure. The chances of them not getting at least the wild card seem pretty slim to me.

it's tough. the two other best teams in the league (and probably baseball) are in their division. it'll be real hard to separate considerably from either one but maybe a good transaction plus some luck will do it.

beating up on the a's and o's is nice but won't mean a gd thing when the rest of the yanks and rays games come up.

I guess, but I think overall the Sox are a better team than either of those too and I'm not sure you mortgage your future to try make sure that you might be SUPER BETTER for the next two months. But whatever the deal doesn't sound like its happening.

will the sox really be mortgaging their future by trading bucholz away?

Well I was including Bard and Westmoreland in that conversation too.

the Giants are in third place in a shitty NL division...

BUT

i can see Sabean thinking getting into a best of 3/best of 5 with a healthy Lince, Cain, RJ/Zito and their surprising defense, they could pull off a 2002 Angels, 2005 White Sox or 2006 Cardinals underdog out of nowhere playoff run.

but still, Sabean is in the bottom 3 tier of GMs and I wouldn't expect him to do more good than harm to the Giants.

3rd

xxp Oh wait they offered Bowden not Bard, but either way.

if the dodgers and/or the phillies stay pat then it reeeeeeally opens the door for the giants to make a run at the world series

im pretty sure bard is #1 untouchable

I'll admit its kind of hard to know how good those guys are since BoSox prospects like Yankees guys tend to get talked up more than they might if they were on another team.

(don't forget your team's prospects either toots)

(also: going Saturday, you guys should go tooooooo!)

xp Believe me how could I forget.

I guess, but I think overall the Sox are a better team than either of those too and I'm not sure you mortgage your future to try make sure that you might be SUPER BETTER for the next two months.

better by the slimmest of margins, mayyyybe

With Halladay, without, or either one?

without - with him i suppose u gotta consider them favs

What's Boston pythag/playoff odds right now? Stupid block at work is preventing me from going to BP to check.

25% AL east champs, 40% wild card

Is that PECOTA adj or just straight?

</dork>

straight

PECOTA adj is 41% AL east champs, 45% wild card

where do u find the playoff odds report, it's not on the BP front page anymore

just hit the statistics tab at the top and it's there on the right

u will have an 95% chance of finding it

97% pecota-adjusted

lol'd on the phone because of that

98% ELO adjusted

just fyi:

bowden is a future 3rd starter at best. "jeff suppan" is the name that comes up the most as his ceiling.

westmoreland is a toolsy rhode island kid who was going to vandy unless the sox picked him. i believe he would have to be a ptbnl in any deal. seems kinda shitty that they would trade him anyway.

bard if you haven't seen him yet is a real treat. since he's a reliever it's hard to call him untouchable but he's currently shredding the major leagues and i don't think there's much of a future with papelbon.

buccholz is an enigma at this point and i would trade him in the right deal.

Bowden throws a bit harder than Suppan doesn't he? Also has four or so good pitches IIRC. His AAA #s this year are just meh, but he'd been pretty good prior to that. Plus he's still only 22.

well suppan probably threw 92-93 when he was 22 as well. bowden also has a curve and change, tho soxprospects says he's working on a slider fwiw. he has v. good control and a weird delivery which also factor in to his success.

most of his rep. is built on an insane run he put together in double-a as like a 20 year old. to me his current aaa numbers (with the low-ish k rate) are more realistic. which means his ceiling is probably a #3--i don't think he's ever going to overpower dudes in the majors. no shame at all in that, but i think he's tradeable.

oh my bad it was at single-a lancaster when he allowed 7 er's and 1 homer in 46 innings in one of the most extreme offensive environments in u.s. pro ball.

westmoreland is a toolsy rhode island kid who was going to vandy unless the sox picked him. i believe he would have to be a ptbnl in any deal. seems kinda shitty that they would trade him anyway.

aha that 2nd tier college degree woulda come in handy in 2016 when your elbow blew out and your working to make manager at a brockton popeye's.

According to Dayvan Kowboy Dejan Kovacevic: Jack Wilson, Ian Snell to SEA for Jeff Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin, Nathan Adcock.

This should help Seattle make up the 7 1/2 games in the standings in the AL West. WTF.

I like seeing Wilson go to a team with slightly better chances. Dude has been on the Pirates for way too long.

lee to the phils

dang

dang

12:42pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi report that the sides have agreed to a deal that sends Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to Philly for Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald and Lou Marson. The teams still have to examine medical records for the deal to go through.

interesting--i guess if that's the difference in cost between lee and halladay it makes sense for the phils.

he was really, really good in july. who knows what will happen to him in that park but at least on the road in the NL with that lineup he's gonna be borderline unbeatable imo

yeah he's a wicked flyball pitcher iirc but moyer survived that park so lee probably can too.

Phillies now have 4 lefties in their rotation. What happens if they come up on a team in the playoffs that slays LHP? Pedro?

i don't think that really matters. i mean, assuming this hypothetical team doesn't score 6 or 7 runs in 5 innings off of lee/utley, the phils lineup should keep them in every game regardless. also lee is pretty good against righties and hamels was pretty dope in the playoffs last year so you can just hope that your lefties are better than their righties. also they have joe blanton who was basically dominant for the whole month of july including the cardinals very right handed stacked lineup.

lee/utley = lee/hamels

I liked Ben Francisco a few years ago. Does he suck now?

kinda

yes

so i guess this means Roy's staying in T dot! :D

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/jays_gm_thinks.html

"I would have to talk to ownership, but I personally would be less inclined to trade him in the offseason," Ricciardi said when reached by phone by the Post. "I would think let's put our best foot forward in 2010. We expect to get our injured pitchers back (such as Shaun Marcum and Jesse Litsch) and let's try to win.'

Ricciardi said he was neither surprised nor pained that the Phillies turned from frontrunners for Halladay to completing a deal today for Cliff Lee.

"It doesn't hurt us," Ricciardi said. "We said the whole way that we would have to be wowed (by a proposal) and we haven't been wowed. I don't think this is going to get done (before Friday's deadline). I have told everyone we would have to be moved, and no one has moved us with an offer. And that is fine. This is not something we have to do."

YES.

Ken Rosenthal thanks you for all the internet traffic JP. See you next year.

So is Ricciardi like one of those people on Facebook who updates with something vague like "Yep I'm gonna do it... but it might not go so well :(" just so 20 people can comment with "Oh, no, what's wrong?" and "Well I hope ur OK dude," only to not respond for a couple days and then finally comment with "n/m"?

Reminds me of the Jake Peavy debacle of last year (or was it this off-season?) Totally similar annoying negotiating with other GMs in the newspaper every goddamn day trade situation that ended up with nothing to show for it.

"The Phillies weren't required to give up pitcher J.A. Happ or the three prospects they balked at trading for Roy Halladay -- outfielders Dominic Brown and Michael Taylor, and pitcher Kyle Drabek."

Damn. This really sucks!!

not happy. tribe basically tanking the next couple years.

maybe they can turn kerry wood into a starter

aw guys, ronny cedeno cried when he found out he'd been traded to pittsburgh

i think there are certain destinations that just seem like wastelands and no one wants to go there, not even scrappy utility players.

Or Anthony Bourdain

except for apparently freddy sanchez who proposed a contract offer to the pirates so he could stay there?

yeah like that episode of no reservations on the other night where bourdain went to baltimore and basically it was snoop pearson, blue collar workers, and cal ripken

not sure what the big gain for seattle is, but they didn't give up much i guess

Pirates Freddy Sanchez to be traded to the Giants, pending knee.

wilson's career obp is .311 : \

Sanchez traded to Giants for Tim Alderson, Class AA pitcher

Tim Alderson is real good. Terrible trade for the G-men imo

Like, they couldn't have gotten Adam Kennedy or Marco Scutaro or Alberto Callaspo for half that price?

The good news is he can just switch clubhouses while he's in SF?

Keith Law recently ranked the 20-year-old Alderson the 26th-best prospect in all of baseball.

http://twitter.com/MLBastian

Halladay on Thursday's off-day: "It's nice. I'm going to lock myself in my room and hide."

a comment in the keith law chat today was a little eye-opening, saying that the pirates have traded away an entire starting lineup over the past few years:

kendall, laroche, sanchez, wilson, ramirez, bay, mclouth, nady

a starting lineup that never finished over (or particularly near) .500.

a couple of them i'd like to have back based on performance. many were good team guys. but as ugly as it seems, the club's management seems to have much more of a clue today than when it was signing derek bell and jeromy burnitz, or trading for matt morris.

Dodgers get Sherrill for AA 3B and RHP prospects. Good job Ned. You did something. Now fucking stop.

not really up to speed on the Dodgers bullpen situation. how badly did they need another closer?!

They didn't. Their bullpen is one of the best in MLB. They have had some injuries due to Torre turning Ronald Bellisario into Scott Proctor but hes coming back this month. We have quite a few guys with sub 3.00 ERAs and plenty of arms in the minors to step in if need be. Ned is just a GM who feels like he has to make moves for the sake of making moves. Like trading for uh, Scott Proctor two years ago.

I'll bet you some old scout was sitting in the corner of some room and then Coletti mentioned Sherrill's name and then then that old scout just jumped up and said "I know that guy" and then they got him cuz Ned trusts old guys who jump up because they have instinct and grit.

lol that was the best fjm ever.

i see...

so this was basically getting a lefty for the playoffs, huh? decent move, dodgers are in the postseason and are good enough to go far.

We do have Hong Chi Kuo but his arm is made of glass. We also have Scott Elbert whose been pretty nasty and is younger than Sherrill. I had no idea he was 32.

Pirates continue to burn this mother down. Kinda surprised theyre trading within the division but they probably dont give much of a shit at this point.

poly, weird did the KLaw rank Buster and MadBum? Also fire Sabean.

Think he had MadBum in the top ten and Posey in the top 40. Cankles posted the full list somewhere I think.

Broxton's big toe is fucked, he's not ended but you don't want him down and out in late September.

good counter to the Lee pick up. PUT 'EM IN CHECK

Washburn to DET for French, Robles (and I believe neither one is considered top ten in DET's (weak) farm system). Good.

tfg

Ricciardi was disappointed by most of the offers presented to him. "I think it has taken a long time for people to figure out how serious we have been (about the high asking price)," he said. "If you put your house up for sale and it is a $1 million house, you are not accepting $800,000. I have the best pitcher in baseball, I should be overwhelmed."

dude really wants to be overwhelmed

ricciardi is such a schmuck.

If you put your house up for sale for $1 million and nobody in the goddamn world will pay said price, it is not worth what you are listing for.

the pirates' lil fire sale this year is pretty interesting to me - they've somewhat quietly dumped a lot of old or overrated players for a ton of young talent. i'm not sure there's much else they could or should've done this year.

Yeah I think they played this pretty smart.

A's apparently dump Cabrera on the Twins for a Low-A infielder.

VMart to the Sox is a done deal, apparently.

gahhhhhh who went to the indians....

Overrated prospects

Where are you seeing this actually confirmed?

http://twitter.com/BNightengale

"about" isn't exactly confirmation.

i guess fox and others have it now...

Think it's all still based off that dude's tweet though.

People can't seem to decide if it's just Sox-Indians or if there is a third team or if it's Buchholz or definitely not Buchholz. They're grasping at straws.

i'm seeing two teams; no buchholz or bard atm.

Now it's Hagadone and maybe Masterson.

1:35pm: MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.

yeah hagadone and masterson or bowden?

hagadone is sort of a risk/upside dude since he had tj.

Apparently Laroche might get flipped to the Metsies.

xp nice. masterson is a reliever.

Maybe more involved? Beats me. Masterson's pretty good, but for a flexible All Star catcher I think this is a good deal.

Mayo also says the two clubs are looking at additional names to add for Cleveland.

i'm assuming they would be names with a lower status than hagadone and he was probably the lowest of our good dudes at this point.

Im surprised the Yankees havent done their usual player of value from a small market team for magic beans and a bag of baseballs trade yet.

According to FOXSports.com, the Dodgers are making a run at the Padres' Adrian Gonzalez and Heath Bell

Dont really belive this but it would be nice to have someone in our lineup who hit more than just singles all day long.

2:03pm: Done deal, says Nightengale via Twitter. MLB Network's Tom Verducci says pitcher Bryan Price is the third hurler going to Cleveland in the trade.

The Yankees acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

Adam LaRoche has been traded to the Braves, according to Yahoo's Gordon Edes.

The Rockies acquired lefty reliever Joe Beimel from the Nationals, according to Chico Harlan of the Washington Post.

The Yankees acquired OF Jermaine Dye from the Chicago White Sox for two prospects, according to Rafael Guzman of the Chicago Tribune.

ho shit

omar dude i can't find this anywhere.

;-)

k just checkin

maybe it didn't really happen ; )

zomg fu omar

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The Reds acquired third baseman Scott Rolen, according to SI's Jon Heyman. The next step is Rolen approving the trade.

lol sorry fellas

no it was a good attempt tho a little unbelievable since the yanquis are full of outfielders.

Yankees acquire Grady Sizemore for Melky Cabrera and an autographed photo of Alex Rodriguez

u didn't do it write--have to reference a fictional beat reporter.

lol right

it's friday afternoon yo

RT @nyp_joelsherman White Sox-Padres agreed to let Peavy be traded off of the DL, Post learns

huh?

(from twitter)
SI_JonHeyman

this is no joke. peavy goes to white sox again. #padres get minor leaguers.

How can you trade someone on the DL?

i was abt to say velko u fuckin with us but this is real i guess?

So glad Peavy is gone from the NL West.

damn, Peavey to the White Sox- nail in the coffin for the Indians title hopes

Definitely the weirdest trade.

is he even going to be back this year?!

and not sure how i feel about the Rolen trade.

did the reds get him? do not understand that one at all.

Did the Jays get Alonso?

What are the white sox giving up for peavy?

Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, and right-handers Dexter Carter and Adam Russell.

the J's did not get Alonso - they got a pair of young pitchers. Josh Roenicke looks like he could be a future closer candidate. maybe Downs' recent struggles inspired this trade as much as cost-cutting.

xp Which is a pretty weak haul if you ask me.

Then again the Sox don't have much in the cupboard these days.

jonahkeri

Peavy's making $48M from 2010-2012, might not pitch this year, no-trade clause. I know Obama loves CWS, but are they getting bailout funds?

Adam LaRoche has been traded to the Braves, according to Yahoo's Gordon Edes.

― velko, Friday, July 31, 2009 3:21 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha what? seriously?

*checks*

wow, the roach is back

LOL

http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/halladay_wouldnt_come_to_texas.html

The Rangers discussions with the Blue Jays about Roy Halladay came to a serious roadblock late Thursday night.

Halladay informed the parties involved that he would not accept a trade with the Rangers.

The two teams weren't close to a deal. But they were talking seriously until Halladay put an end to it.

The Rangers did make a run at pitchers Jarrod Washburn and Cliff Lee too. General manager Jon Daniels said they were very aggressive right up until the trade deadline. Ultimately they couldn't get anything done.

Said one source: "Everybody wanted to talk about Holland, Smoak, Feliz and Borbon."

"The Tigers think they're still in it." -- Harold Reynolds

yall i was flying all day today and missed the whole deadline until i got off the plane and was just overwhelmed by a deadline text from my brother. crazy shit.

i wonder what it would've taken for the braves to get nick johnson. holy shit would i rather have him than adam laroche

Not much, apparently.

Everyone is banking on LaRoche's 'legendary' second half performance.

This is going to be an intriguing end of the season, which so many teams having improved themselves at key positions.

I'm pretty sure the LaRoche/Kotchman swap was a money move - Kotchman is arb-eligible (and not worth arb money), LaRoche is an expiring contract.

http://www.buckcommander.com/assets/buckmen/photos/laroche1.jpg

You don't have to offer Kotchman arbitration though. You can just let him walk.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP)—Craving help for their starting rotation, the Minnesota Twins have turned to Carl Pavano.

The Twins agreed Friday to send the Cleveland Indians a player to be identified later in exchange for Pavano, a one-time All-Star whose career derailed in New York during four injury-ruined seasons with the Yankees.

“He’s certainly had a significant injury history over the last few years, but he has been healthy this year,” Minnesota general manager Bill Smith said from Detroit, where the Twins were scheduled to play the first-place Tigers later Friday. “We’ve had good reports about him on and off the field, and we’re hoping that he can provide some innings for us down the stretch.”

The Twins began the day in third place in the AL Central, 4 1/2 games behind the Tigers.

Francisco Liriano’s starting spot has been in question after another poor performance on Wednesday that led to his 11th loss, tied for the most in the league. Pavano, given Torii Hunter’s old number 48, was expected to join the team in Detroit. With an off day on Monday, the rotation for next week was not yet set.

Whenever he pitches, the 33-year-old Pavano will take the mound still trying to erase the embarrassment of those four infamously bad years in New York.

After an All-Star, 18-win season for Florida in 2004, the right-hander signed a four-year contract worth almost $40 million with the Yankees.

He won nine games during the entire length of that deal, making only 26 starts. Ridiculed often in city tabloids and by the franchise’s proud fans, Pavano drew the ire of Yankees teammates, too. They questioned his desire and work ethic during his time on the disabled list, and he even picked up the derogatory nickname “American Idle.”

Pavano mostly dealt with shoulder, back and elbow problems, but after signing an incentive-laden one-year contract with Cleveland he has at least gotten his durability back. He has gone 9-8 with a 5.37 ERA in 21 starts for the Indians, giving up 150 hits and 23 walks with 88 strikeouts in 125-plus innings.

A handful of rough starts stand out on his game log, but in his most recent outing for Cleveland last Sunday he gave up just one run in eight innings to beat the Tigers. Pavano has pitched six or more innings in two-thirds of his appearances, and he hasn’t thrown this many innings since 2004.

“It’s kind of uncharted territory for him, but we’ll see how it plays out,” Twins assistant general manager Rob Antony said. “It’s no mystery that our starters have struggled. We think this is an opportunity to add a guy who can hopefully help us out.”

The Indians placed Pavano on waivers earlier in the week and the Twins claimed him. To make room for Pavano, knuckleballer R.A. Dickey was optioned to Triple-A. Also, pitcher Boof Bonser was transferred to the 60-day disabled list.

Dickey did well in his long relief role until July. His ERA has soared from 2.36 to 4.62 over the last five weeks.

haha @ “American Idle.”

http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/wi_milano_pavano_071217

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4025/alyssacarl012gd2qbcl8.jpg

he wins, no more haha :(

Even Alyssa looks a little unsure of her life choice in that picture

Pavano has pitched extremely well against the Tigers (not terribly difficult, obv) and has done quite well against the White Sox, too.

yeah, but who is he dating now?

http://greggzaun.com/ to Tampa Bay Rays.

That's http://greggzaun.com/, aka http://greggzaun.com/. He is a Ray now.

"Bring Your Z-Game"

Alex Rios has been claimed on waivers by an unknown team

too ashamed to show their face?

lol Omar

The San Francisco Giants have been looking for outfield help all season, and just 20 months ago, they mulled a possible swap of eventual Cy Young winner Tim Lincecum for Rios.

!!!

uhhhh

aubrey huff to the tigers for 2008 4th rounder brett jacobson.

Steal.

Although I guess Huff is having a crappy year so maybe not.

This guy IS NOT A WINNER:

2000 5th
2001 5th
2002 5th
2003 5th
2004 4th
2005 5th
2006 5th/2nd (HOU)
2007 4th
2008 5th
2009 5th

Pudge back to Rangers...

deals from this time of year are always depressing.

been hearing smoltz to redbirds before the day is over

thank u for reinforcing my point.

:P he'd be in the pen, another reason for Tony to switch pitchers 4 times in the 7th inning

Giambi to Rockies, they say

Yes they do. You can imagine how thrilled I am about that on many levels.

haha, you'll be his personal drug tester

(pssst, these guys take tons of stuff there's no test for)

Giambi is injecting himself with roast beef drippings, for example.

so he's going to be a "clutch" bat off the bench or something?

I would assume he'll be a lefty pinch hitter since the only position he could conceivably play is occupied by the best player in baseball.

i never knew you were a helton stan

Haha woops I got confused because the Cardinals thread got revived at the same time.

looking to offload a poorly timed investment
http://twitter.com/drmorbius

I don't fly, tweet, or live in Nashville (saw the movie)

It's been suggested Giambi's primary role is to help Colorado Springs win their (AAA) league.

what has a giambi ever won tho?

MVP I guess :\

so this kazmir to angels thing is for real i guess.

Wow Angels better have a plan for fixing Kazmir cuz he looks to me like he's toast.

yeah--i can kind of appreciate it cause it's an aggressive, proactive move, but i would not be psyched about my team picking up this particular guy.

Even if all the Rays get are parts at least they don't have to pay a guy who looks like he either won't stay off the DL or keep his ERA below 5 $20M for the next three years.

yeah my sense is that they must have really, really wanted that 20 mil for other things.

Maybe signing their draft picks next year, heh.

i wonder if they're trying to make a play to keep crawford actually.

They've also got a lot of guys coming up for arbitration this year, I think.

yeah i think you're right.

5 of Kazmir's last 6 starts look good:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=5917

They look okay (3/4 starter material.) I'm not sure you want to bet $20M he's going to be doing that next year or the year after if you are the Rays though.

wade davis and jeremy hellickson can probably do much of that for a lot less $

nice move imo

"i wonder if they're trying to make a play to keep crawford actually."

Apparently Crawford has a $10M option for next year so yeah it looks like they will.

Penny to SF

JIM THO

ME to los dodyers

Jon Garland also to the dodgers.

wtf is thome gonna play in LA??? sounds like a cockblock.

Contreras to the Rockies...

some desperate chess moves in the NL West...

Seems like Thome is only going to be a lefty power bat off the bench. Also looking to see Doyers go to a 6 man pitching staff in September because they can.

loney kinda sucks so it's too bad thome is a defensive liability

i guess they didn't spend much of anything to get him (justin fuller, a 26 year old infielder in high-a) but thome is quite a luxury, and a roster versatility-destroying one at that.

only thing i can imagine is they're thinking of the world series and putting him in at DH

it must be pretty odd for a dude to go from being the best hitter on his team to the bench in the light hitting NL West.

i'm not a stat person so don't bite my head off, but dude is has like the sixth-best batting average on the white sox:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batting?team=chw

THO ME played 28 innings of 1B for the White Sox.

Yes, but he is a power hitter who also draws a lot of walks. He's quite valuable.

n/a, re-sort that table by OPS.

xxp and none since 2007. he's not playing first in la.

he supposedly even called Coletti yesterday and said he couldn't play first

Supposedly the Dodgers gave up Tony Abreu for Garland because the DBacks picked up most of his salary. Not too sad to see him go. Also management has hated his (injured) guts for the past 2 years and Im surprised he stuck around as long as he did.

wtf is an OPS how many game-winning RBIs does Thome have lifetime, that's a real man's stat and you can count it too.

HEY NED!!! I CAN

T PLAY IN THE FEILD

JUAN PIERE HAS SENT A GREAT EXAMPLE TO THE GAME

Srsly what does the Dugout have to say about this.

Softly Tho Me