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this can't be good.

so who's backing up nomar? bellhorn?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 19 March 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't they pickup Andre Agassi?

earlnash, Friday, 19 March 2004 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I read on BP that their only middle infielders right now are Nomar, Pokey Reese, and Bellhorn? From his time with the Cubs and Rockies, I believe Bellhorn played 3B and 2B most of the time. I'm sure he could fill in at SS, but it might be kind of ugly. I'll not even get into the offensive ramifications.

mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 19 March 2004 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the globe is reporting that trot nixon will be out until may as well. looks like he didn't respond well to the epidural they gave him last week.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 19 March 2004 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

nomar is fine, nixon is out for the first month.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 20 March 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

according to nick cafardo francona may use pokey reese at short and either bellhorn or terry shumpert at the keystone.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Griffey will break his spleen next week while eating a bacon burger dog.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Hypergonadism in June.

ojitarian (ojitarian), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

the correct answer, of course, is elephantitis.

http://www.asstastic.org/images/griffey.jpg

with thanks to mattbot.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn that tonic!

But, yeah, Red Sox - I (a Red Sox fan vociferously against what the Red Sox Nation stands for) have been commissioned by a webzine to write an essay about Red Sox / Yankees relations (which, of course, I haven't started), so I feel I have to say SOMETHING here that pertains to crimson footwear.

So I guess, assuming Nomah & Trot aren't available for Opening Day (well, Trot's a given no-show), the line-up will look like:

C: Varitek
1B: Millar / Ortiz
2B: Bellhorn
SS: Pokey
3B: Mueller
LF: MANNY!
CF: Frozen Caveman Flycatcher
RF: Kapler
DH: Ortiz / Burks

I'd love to see Ellis out in the OF in place of Trot, but his knees & back & bursitis & glaucoma might prove to be a hindrance out in the field. I fear Mueller's going to hit more like Pokey than Nomah this year, but experts are supposing Millar's going to improve on last year (which means he'll start off shit hot & not fall off the face of the earth after the All-Star break), so that could possibly balance out. (Note: I am not doing any math, so feel free to crunch numbers and prove me wrong.)

However, I also heard that Ortiz might decline from last year (his 1st year seeing regular platoon-free action), which I doubt will happen, given his age and resemblance to a kick-ass Mo Vaughn. Bellhorn & Pokey MIGHT equal Walker in terms of OPS type numbers, but only if Bellhorn hits more like he did for the Cubbies a couple years ago, and Pokey hits less like he has for most of his career. Both of them should be a lot better in the field than Boot-Boy, though.

Regardless, any loss in the hitting dept. should be offset by the improvements in the pitching dept. If all they did was heave-ho Burkett & replace him with a pitching machine, there'd be improvement. As is, a rotation featuring a cancer-free Derek Lowe, a Questec-free (cough) Curt Schilling, a contract-seeking Pedro, Wonderboy Tim Wakefield and His Conniving Knuckler, and the helping friendly bird-free Byung is a nice rotation to have. And sweet crap, that bullpen is gorgeous, especially compared to the leprotic toothless hag that crawled out of Florida last Spring. Not that Grady's inconsistent usage patterns helped any.

Even if Nomar misses about a month with his troubles (AND BARRING FURTHER INJURY) (NO GIMPS), there's plenty of chance for this team to do very very very well. As in "best team in majors" well. And, you know, it'd be nice if the team with the 2nd highest payroll in baseball actually shook off that idiotic "underdog" mantle.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

my most vivid (and perhaps the one that leaves the worst taste in my mouth) fenway memory is of a game against the d-rays 4 or 5 years ago in which a yanqui fan wearing a jeter t-shirt responded to taunts and jeers by extending both middle fingers on outstretched arms as he entered the mens room. once inside the cinderblock walls he was set upon and stomped (there's no other word for it) by maybe 8 or 10 fans. it was ugly and it pretty much says all you need to know about the state of red sox/yanqui relations as far as fans go.

my guess for opening day (assuming there's no nixon [it's becoming more obvious that his back was killing him before he signed that low-ball contract] and no nomar):

c- varitek
1b- ortiz
2b- bellhorn
ss- reese
3b- mueller
lf- manny
cf- chalie manson
rf- millar
dh- burks

what do you think about kapler playing 3rd this spring? or how about d-lowe and his sub 1.00 era? he's been so efficient that the sox aren't sure he's throwing enough pitches in his tune up starts (something rediculous like 50 pitches in 6 innings in his last outing)? if lowe can be the d-lowe of 2002 things will be a LOT more interersting.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

No one will ever supplant Mueller at 3b. Except maybe Russ Davis.

O.Leee.B. (Leee), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

hey david, i for one would love to see that article when you're; hope you'll hook us up.

your analysis was spot on although kim could certainly be the number three man and not just a nice back end as you implied.

nomar is going to miss like 4 days at most from what i heard; i can't tell if you guys know that or not. and burks was a nice little pickup, eh?

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem "when you're DONE"

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Shit, I forgot Millar plays OF too! Otto is OTM, then, and that awful story is Reason #4682 why I'm not so fond of RSN. I mean, the level of hatred should never rise above the level of "Yankees suck, Jeter blows!" / "You know why he wears #2, don'tcha?" rhetoric, and MAYBE (just MAYBE) the occasional fart in the face.

I haven't been following Spring Training @ all this year, so Lowe's uber-eficiency is (welcome) news to me! I was a bit skeptical re: his excuse for the poor start last year - his excuse being that the removal of the cancerous crap on his nose set him back about 6 weeks re: his pre-season training regiment, & he never got on track because of it - since, being the cynical bastard I am, I figured Lowe 2K2 was a big fat ol' fluke. But if he's doing this well right now, I would like to think that he could approach 2K2-like levels - I think a large part of his success that year had to do w/ the shock of it all, coupled with his unerring efficiency (he went a LONG while between home runs given up, if I remember correctly).

And Rey Sanchez @ 2nd base! Did I mention Todd Walker's defensive ineptitude yet? He should be a Yankee, he's so bad (ha ha) (oh, but I kid - the Yankees would be lucky to have him) (ha ha). I've read a few writers drool-laden praise of Pokey's elan around the bag, so, yeah, those grounders better watch out.

I hope the hitting coach makes Pokey do push-ups every time he flies out to an outfielder in BP, though. If I see him pop out to second with men on 1st & 3rd w/ 1 out, I'm going to forget I'm such a fucking nice guy.

Oh, yeah - and the modified batting lineup (with what I thunk be thar plate side):

Shaggy (L)
Mueller (S)
Manuel (R)
Ortiz (L)
Burks (R)
Varitek (S)
Millar (R)
Bellhorn (S)
The Pokinator (R)

And, John, I'd be more than happy to pimp that essay when / if it gets itself written.

Lee, the heir apparent to Mueller is obviously Mike Blowers. Get it straight, chief.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

name this documentary

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Pokey Reese will do fine, as long as you are not expecting bunches of offense. He did well for the Reds, the couple of years he played in Cinci (at 2b or ss when Larkin was hurt).


earlnash, Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

if they're looking to play up the fatalistic 'always tantalizingly close but never there' angle and tie it in with the collapses of the past i would suggest "and now they're coming for us" as a title.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"GRADY PULL HIS DEAD ASS OUT"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you saying that wasn't the biggest NYC story to come out of spring training yesterday? What's your point?

Shaun (shaun), Friday, 26 March 2004 06:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Shaq, could you stop beating around the bush and just say what you mean?

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 27 March 2004 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not huge on over-moderating but you really need to chill out.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 28 March 2004 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

well a couple of things:

#1 this isn't ilm

#2 you may think that a trolly internet persona is edgy, fun and exciting but i don't consider myself a fan of that particular style

i don't mind smack talk, but keep the immature personal attacks and instigating off this board. if you don't think you can handle that, you're gonna have to find another place to troll.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 28 March 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

so it looks like derek lowe is playing his last season in boston. i wonder, if (and this is a HUGE if) pedro is only marginally more effective than lowe if the sox would choose to part ways with pete rather than lowe. that would save them a large chunk of change and get them under the luxury tax limit, which they currently exceed by $5 million. they've got to re-sign varitek. they've got to re-sign nomar. hopefully pedro will have a year that will make it impossible for the sox not to re-sign him but what if he doesn't? what's the market for starters going to look like next year?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

they've got shoppach in the minors (who may be ready next year correct?) and renteria is a FA. unless lowe returns to 2002 form (doubtful, imo) or pedro goes down, he's not close in value. i see them splurging on pedro (15M?), signing edgar (if nomar won't compromise), bringing shoppach up (if he's not ready, i still don't see them re-signing varitek unless he has a great year), and finding a ~4.00 ERA guy to replace lowe (arroyo?).

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, re: the market, it was looking pretty good about a year (especially for non-boston teams) ago but it's since thinned out. aside from lowe and pedro, i think the big name is matt morris, but i would assume he stays in stl if renteria goes. i think millwood accepted arbitration in philly so he's a FA again. i feel like there's one more "name" pitcher but i can't remember who. either of those guys plus lowe would probably cost upwards of 20M and none of them look at all like sure things right now.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i think lowe is going to have a fantastic year. he wasn't as bad as his numbers looked last year. becuase of his cancer scare he didn't work out over the winter. consequently he was never in shape in spring training and sucked dog ass until the end of may. by august he was again the sox second best starter and his work in the playoffs wasn't bad. from what i hear and have read his sinker is falling off the table again. granted i know it's only spring training but i'll take a sub .200 average against and a sub 2.00 any time.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

pokey reese will be a huge help as well. before spring i was figuring him for a ~3.75 ERA. it appears he may best that, but i still don't see a return to 2002 in the cards.

i don't really see him returning to boston next year no matter what, due almost entirely to scott boras. epstein & co. are not the type to overpay, and i believe that will be a prerequisite for retaining lowe.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If you think about it logically, D. Lowe is bound to have an awesome year this year...... Once the team are all healthy again, he'll have pokey at 2nd and Nomar at SS. As a sinkerball pitcher, there's going to be a hell of a lot of groundballs hit towards those two guys. It's going to be double-play city out there. I don't think much will get past them... Which in turn, will make D. Lowes stats look awesome. I'm totally buzzing about this year. I think this could finally be the year for us. WOO HOO!

H_Dawg, Thursday, 1 April 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

that's true; i gave a mention to the pokey factor above. he probably could've shaved a half point + off of lowe's ERA by himself last year (just speculating there). if lowe pitches better, and i think many expect he will, he's an easy 12M dollar pitcher.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

mendoza out, malaska in. let's hope he's a quality lefty out of the pen.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 9 April 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

trot's back is coming around.

most encouraging part of the article was this: "Nixon dutifully reported that he barely feels any pain anymore; in fact, he upgraded his condition to "a nag."

"On a [pain] scale of 0 to 10, I'd say it's a 1 1/2," he said"


otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 15 April 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What the fuck is Pete's problem tonight? I'm not watching the game.

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 16 April 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I love Pedro. I mean, I hate him, but I love him.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 26 April 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i just hate him.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 26 April 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

good news for bh kim and the remaindermen, kim is going to skip his last rehab start and take the hill against tampa. also updates on rehabs of trot nixon and nomar.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

nice, i got byung hyun off the waiver wire in my other league.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I got my yankees hater hat in the mail yesterday. Its brilliant.

www.yankeeshater.com

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw the one schilling was wearing at the bruins game. ugly.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

thats the one i got. Not ugly at all.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate that Yankee hating has become commercialized. Red Sox Nation sold out, man! What happened to non-commodified bile and rage? I don't need no steenkin' hat / shirt / glow-in-the-dark condom - well, maybe I could put the last one to use. In bed.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the boston globe presents the stars of the boston red sox sequel.

pedro was my favorite.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 30 April 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Original_Graphic/2004/04/29/1083277225_5861.jpg

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 30 April 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked this story.

Management's got it covered
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff  |  April 30, 2004

For years, the seats in the center-field triangle have been covered by a black tarp during day games, in order to provide hitters a backdrop unimpeded by white shirts that would make it difficult to pick up the baseball leaving a pitcher's hand.

But yesterday afternoon, Sox management came up with an ingenious way to make use of those seats, helping them to resolve how to accommodate the spectators who had purchased those seats for Tuesday's night game, which was rained out and made up yesterday.

The 420 fans who had seats in the two affected sections, 34 and 35, were given green T-shirts and a handbill asking them not to move around except between half-innings. Duct tape also was placed over the seat numbers, so as not to pick up any reflections.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 May 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

henry is one cunning little miser.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 2 May 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"little"

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 2 May 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040503/capt.arl10805030350.red_sox_rangers_arl108.jpg

mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a dream last night that I saw some of the Red Sox walking out to the team bus after the game and Damon had cut his hair and shaved. The dream also somehow involved a Civil War battle re-enactment.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 3 May 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

well Pedro the little gerri curled bitch is off and complaining again about his contract. Hey Pedro, there is no I in TEAM.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

but there is a ME.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

and MEAT

mattbot (mattbot), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=18882

and a mate. (awwww)

John (jdahlem), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

There's no TEAM in I.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

This just in:

Cleveland Indians 2
Boston Red Sox 1

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

This just in:

Jake Westbrook is flukealicious!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(The Two)Jake(s)(How the)West(Was Won)Brook(Shields) is no fluke!

lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Im curious to see how this Pedro situation pans out. Don't get me wrong, I've loved Pedro for as long as he has been on this team but the past couple of years i've been fed up with him. He's not the same as he once was and he's a whiny bitch. I say let him walk next year and try to sign someone else or if the sox are out of it deal him to Oakland for Zito.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Why would Oakland want his whiny ass over Zito?

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that makes no sense. I wasn't thinking. Isn't the Zito a free agent after this year?

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

From Gammons:

The Red Sox want to sign two or three of their free agents, but they do not want to be stuck with a team of late thirtysomethings, especially if they do not win again and are faced with the reality that this team hasn't won. If they do win the World Series, then they'll find out who wants to sign, like Anderson with the Angels, Schilling and Mariano Rivera. Martinez and Lowe will be difficult to replace, but there will be some free agents (Carl Pavano, Kevin Millwood, Odalis Perez, Matt Morris, Freddy Garcia) and there could be pitchers traded, from Barry Zito to Kip Wells to Jason Jennings; yes, sometime Billy Beane will have to break up The Big Three, and don't be surprised if he doesn't get Tim Hudson -- a 2005 free agent -- extended and trades Zito

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Zito's last 2 games are worse than any that he's pitched in the last 3 years. he's 2-3 with a 6.48 ERA.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

After Ramirez connected for his sixth homer to make it 7-2, he and Boston's bench yelled at Davis, who was apparently upset with Ramirez for posing to watch the ball's flight.

``He's earned the right to do that,'' Boston center fielder Johnny Damon said. ``It wasn't like it just cleared the wall. The ball was crushed. He has 354 career home runs, he can pimp. I hope to see Manny pimp a lot more this season.''


i hate the red sox.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

So, if a pitched ball becomes caught in Damon's locks or Grizzly-Adams beard, is he still awarded first base?

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i would say no. the batter is out. if you can catch a pop fly with your barehand why not with your locks?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

On my league message board the question was asked as to how to fix the Sox. The phrasing of the question and my answer:

"Ok, if you were the Red Sox GM, what would you do with the impending free agency, and upcoming crop of free agents? Take into consideration the money it would cost to sign/resign each player, who you have on your bench, and what you'd do to address any needs. Who do you resign from this group, if any? Pedro, Nomar, Varitek, Lowe and Ortiz.

What would you do with total control of the Red Sox? And just to make it interesting, let's say you have a cap of $120 M. So, you can't just say, "I'd sign everyone". By my estimates, it would take about $60-$65 M to resign all of those players. You don't want half your payroll to go to 5 guys, do you? You can also include things like trades. For example, "I'd trade Damon to the Mariners for R.Soriano" or some crap like that. Here is a list of the potential 2005 FA's.

2005 Free Agents:

Pitchers:

Matt Clement, ChC, RHP, 31*
Ryan Dempster, Cin., RHP, 28*
Odalis Perez, L.A., LHP, 27*
Pedro Martinez, Bos., RHP, 34*
Derek Lowe, Bos., RHP, 31*
Matt Morris, St. L., RHP, 31*
Kris Benson, Pit., RHP, 30*
Brad Radke, Min., RHP, 32*
Freddy Garcia, Sea., RHP, 29*
Felix Rodriguez, S.F., RHP, 31*
Troy Percival, Ana., RHP, 36*
Robb Nen, S.F., RHP, 35*

Infield:
Jason Varitek, Bos., C, 33*
Paul Konerko, ChW, 1B, 29*
Richie Sexson, Mil., 1B, 30*
Carlos Delgado, Tor., 1B-DH, 32*
Jose Vidro, Mon., 2B, 31*
Corey Koskie, Min., 3B, 32*
Adrian Beltre, L.A., 3B, 26*
Aaron Boone, FA., 3B, 32*
Troy Glaus, Ana., 3B, 28*
Cristian Guzman, Min., SS, 27*
Orlando Cabrera, Mon., SS, 30*
Nomar Garciaparra, Bos., SS, 32*

Outfield:

Carlos Beltran, K.C., OF, 28*
Magglio Ordonez, ChW, OF, 31*

*Opening day age 2005


Ok, that's my question. I'll post my answer later. I'm still thinking about my answer. Be realistic with any trades too. I'm really interested in everyone's answer."

MY ANSWER:

First off I would resign Varitek, but there's no way I would agree to the $14 million his agent is asking for (based on the Pudge signing). Either string him out with a back-weighted long-term deal and hope he retires before it hits or offer him a one-year $10 million dollar deal. Pedro clearly isn't worth the money any longer; let the Angels overpay for him. Nomar is a lost cause and isn't worth it anyway. Ortiz would be worth signing based on the price. $5 million, yes. $10 million? No. Also, Ortiz struggles mightily against lefties – something definitely worth considering. Lowe is worth it for $8 million a year or less. Based on these factors, I would grab Lowe for $7 million and Varitek for a four or five year deal at $9 a year. That leaves about $40 million to play with.

First up, sign Ordonez. This will take Lowe money to do so. With Ordonez on board, move Manny to the DH spot. That leaves us down to, say, $30 million. It looks like Cabrera is having a down year, so hopefully he can be had for $6 million, considering position scarcity. To shore up the pitching, sign Odalis Perez to be your second or third starting pitcher ($5 million, I would think) and Kris Benson to follow him ($3 or $4 million). Vidro will be overpriced in the FA market, so perhaps a deal could be worked out to acquire both a 2B and a CF (Damon costs too much). Perhaps Damon and Williamson for Cameron and Reyes? I dunno if the Mets would go for that, actually. What about Damon and Williamson to the Brewers for Spivey (a capable hitter) and Podesnik (a good defensive CF and a hustler, which the Boston fans should love). I would guess that the Brewers would go for that. This should drop payroll by at least $4 or $5 million. Use that extra cash to pick up a quality firstbaseman – preferably Sexson, though he could be overpriced. Konerko is certainly someone worth considering. We'll say they sign Konerko for $7 million. Based on my monkey math, that should leave the Sox about $15 million under the cap. With that money, perhaps they could offer Pedro a one-year deal, or even bring back Ortiz to DH (allowing for the inevitable Trot Nixon injury). That would leave the Sox lineup as:

OF Podesnik
3B Mueller
DH Manny/Ortiz
OF Ordonez
1B Konerko
OF Nixon/Manny
C Varitek
SS Cabrera
2B Spivey

Rotation:
Schilling
Lowe
Wakefield
Perez
Benson

Plus there's still the leverage of having Kim to swap for utility/bench help. And there's still money saved.

Thoughts?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

there's no way i could give this as much thought as required for a complete answer but the first part of the question, which of the 5 sox fa's do you sign, i think you have to imagine varitek is the one they have to go after first. he's going to be asking for pudge money so i *hope* the sox don't burn any bridges to him during negotiations. he's not worth it but that's no reason to make him not want to play there. i think pedro is showing that he won't be back. he's not going to command the $15+ that he's been earning the last couple years. he's never been the same since tearing his labrum two years ago. i wonder if he should have had surgery on it.

the other 3 are dependant on how they perform this year. can lowe rebound to the form he showed two years ago and the last 3rd of last year? is ortiz going to hit .269 the rest of the year or will he prove last year wasn't a fluke? can nomar get on the field and prove he can still produce? i've heard the sox are discounting what he's done in the past and nomar's getting pissed because he can't get on the field and prove them wrong.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

the sox have a catcher in AAA (shoppach) on whom they're pinning their hopes as a replacement for varitek. i think the deal yancey mentioned was realistic (ie would get done) but it absolutely will not happen with the new sox management - they're quite hesitant about any 4+ year deals, much more so if we're talking about 32 year old catchers.

i'll probably have a long response to this later, mostly my thoughts of whatever possibilities get mentioned because i have little idea about an actual plan. i had initially thought the poa for the sox was quite simple but it appears less and less so.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and whoa, yancey is way underrating kim.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

as a pitcher? no. as to how willing the sox are to keep him and his relationship with the organization? i don't think so. he's certainly worth much more than a bench/utility player, and if i were the sox i would look to deal him for bullpen help and maybe a utility infielder. ideal scenario: maybe to houston for lidge and jason lane or adam everett or something like that. though if houston were smart they'd hang on to those first two. but since when did the 'stros front office make the right moves?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Kim is Theo Epstein's wet dream, he puts up very similar #s as Lidge* but with more experience.

*could be wrong here but I don't think I'm far off.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think there's anybody in Houston coveting Kim, especially not for any of the three you mentioned.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

And the 'Stros front office has been solid since the arrival of Gerry Hunsicker.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Posednick just signed a new deal with the Brewers.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 6 May 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, BK has been put back in the bullpen. Thank god. He sucks. Overrated by far. I think they should have stuck with Arroyo from the get go. And part of me wants to believe that Arroyo is going to blossom into a CY Young winner in 3 years.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i think it's kind of a silly move. the bullpen is already the best in the league - he should be placed in the minors to work out his kinks, if not just stuck with for another start or two, although his velocity seems low to me. let's remember this guy had a 3.38 era in a dozen starts last year...he's boston's contreras. although now that i look at his peripherals, it does seem he may've been a bit lucky.

CY is a little high for arroyo, but i suppose he could maybe top out at a decent #3 man in a good rotation (~4.00 ERA?). if not, he'll be a fantastic righty-killer out of the bullpen. it's good to remember that he's two years older than kim, and at the average peak age of 27.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

BHK has shown glimmers of greatness... mostly on paper though. I was rooting for him.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i was rooting for him too but an 82 mph fastball? yikes. send him to pawtucket or portland to work himself out.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't that about what Chad Bradford throws? Maybe he just needs to dip the submarine lower, or go full girls softball style.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jennie Finch to thread & mound!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)


boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

from the brilliant, infamous red sox beat writer/troll jdbeans, a little out of date:

Red Sox Are Far More Superior Than Yankees
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New York New York! The City that doesn't sleep or from what Beans has begun to realize of late, the city that doesn't bathe!! First off Beans has to apologize for not being here last week when the Red Sox CREAMED the Yankees. Being the International Superstar that he is, Beans was away on tour last week and could not pay his usual visit to the Yankees board.

What on Earth is Steinbrenner going to do!?!? It is as clear as day that the Red Sox are light years ahead of the Yankees in depth, talant and heart. I mean seeing the Yankees trying to compete with the Red Sox was more painful than seeing the Knicks get swept by the Nets!!!.....(SWISH!!) Jose Contreras must be the biggest DUD of a pickup in recent history. Quite frankly Contreras doesn't have much more talant than a minor leaguer. If Beans was Brian Cashman he would stick Contreras back on a wooden boat and send him back to Cuba where he came from!!! ....(ADIOS AMIGO!!!)

The Amazing Red Sox have taken 6 out of 7 from NY, and this is without Nomah and Trot Nixon!! Think about it Yankees fans, the Red Sox could go 4 and 12 against NY this season and still finish the season with a winning record against them.....
It also is evident that Derek Jeter is now close to being washed up!! I mean 0-32!!! Here in Boston a player going in to that long of a slump is as unusual as a safe street in the Bronx!!!

Well Yankees fans, Beans has enjoyed playing your boys immensely!! It's just too bad the Red Sox couldnt play the Yankees more often. Imagine playing 40 games against NY. Why the Sox would probably go 37-3 !! Curt Schilling is a true ace unlike that Mike Mussina who whines more than Tony Soprano's deceased mother....(FORGEDABOUDIT!!) Tim Wakefield looks like he is pitching to little leaguers when he faced the Yankees. Watching Jason "On The Juice" Giambi and company try to hit Wakefield is more comical than Spike Lee pretending to be a creative movie producer.


-Yankee Kicking Beans-

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

and a bit more recent:

Don't Fret My Friends....Red Sox Will Win The World Series!
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Howdy Fellow baseball fans!!

As Beans stepped off the tarmac today at Logan International Airport, he was swarmed by members of the media on what his thoughts were on the Red Sox slump. Beans looking incredibly buff in a red cutoff t-shirt, took a sip of mineral water and began to chuckle... "Why fellow Sox fans, This is merely May 5th and the only reason why the Red Sox got swept by the Texas Rangers was because of the horrid conditions in Texas stadium". I mean maybe the Rangers players are used to moths the size of Barry Bond's steroidesque head floating in and out of their field of vision while trying to play the game, but surely the Red Sox are not!!!

I mean this is most definitely the Red Sox year to bring the World Series trophy back to the greatest city in the world....(JD BEANS JUNCTION) also known as Boston. Folks all you have to do is look at the facts!! The Red Sox are in 1rst place without Nomah Gahciaparra.and Trot Nixon!!!...(AYE CARUMBA!!) These are two future hall of famers that are not in the lineup but yet the Red Sox continue to eat up the league like John Goodman at a buffet!!

When Curt Schilling goes to the pahk he plays wicked hahd!!! Tim Wakefield's knuckleball is harder to get a hold of than an honest Iraqi!!!! Derek Lowe's sinker is a thing of beauty to watch as it dips and doodles and drifts away from the batters making them look about as foolish as the Osbourne famly!!

The Red Sox left the Cleveland Indians for dead tonight as they pounded the Tribe 9-5!!!....(BEANS TAKES OFF SHIRT AND SCREAMS LIKE A MANIAC!!!) Speaking of Cleveland, Beans cannot figure out to save his life why the Rock and Roll hall of fame is in Cleveland??? I mean they must have felt bad for Cleveland or something because the only Hall of fame that Cleveland should host is maybe the Chess Hall of fame or maybe a Tiddly Winks championship game. I mean who associates rock and roll or high IQ's with Cleveland???

Well Beans limo is out in front of his mansion beeping for him...(HONK HONK!!) It's time for the Great JD Beans to get going friends.....Beans salutes his fans!! See you at the World Series at Fenway park amigos!

ALL HAIL JD BEANS CHANTS THE CROWD OF THOUSANDS
Beans!! Beans!! Beans!!

-Truth Telling Beans-

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)


btw, someone on BP said Francona's next big test -- when Nomar comes back -- is if he's smart enough to allot more playing time to Bellhorn (.400+ on-base, leading AL in walks) than Reese.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that would come down to defense. they knew coming into the season that reese would be hovering around the mendoza line, they signed him purely for his glove. i wonder what bellhorn's obp will look like by the time nomar comes back. he's been hitting in front of pokey for a good part of the year so he hasn't been seeing any pitches.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Reese would probably be a better asset to the Sox on the days Lowe pitches. I've seen that sort of platoon-as-decided-by-who's-pitching-for-the-Sox idea floated around a few places but I'm too lazy to find a link.

mattbot (mattbot), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

lowe is the biggest GB pitcher in existence, so that's an easy decision. with kim/arroyo/wakefield it's up for grabs, i think, but with pedro and especially schilling, i'd start bellhorn and save pokey as a late inning defensive replacement.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm sure what they're hoping is that the offense will eventually come around to the point where they can afford a hole in the 9 spot in exchange for some solid middle infield defense. i loved seeing todd walker at the plate last year but holy christ he made jose offerman look like ryne sandberg at the keystone. when damian miller is your defensive replacement you know you've got problems.

but if the offense remains spotty it would not surprise me at all to see bellhorn in there as long as his obp stays north of .400. but francona did move him to the top of the order (2nd slot) the beginning of the month and bellhorn promptly went 7-27 with 11k's and 1 base on balls. he saw different pitches hitting in front of david ortiz than he saw hitting in front of pokey reese.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it's painful to read my posts sometimes. overuse of the word "but" making me cringe. also, it wouldn't surprise me to see bellhorn in there as long as his obp stays AROUND 400. or even 360.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

well yeah, it's silly to think he's going to maintain a .400 OBP with a ~.200 avg. but something like .240/.380/.400 is probably not unreasonable, and that's very good production from 2B when you've got nixon, ortiz, ramirez, nomar, and varitek in the lineup, where the primary function of the surrounding hitters should simply be to get on base for them. on the other hand, having that many solid hitters also means that bellhorn's offense is dispensible. however, i think having a lineup without a single hole (think sox 2003) adds more overall punch than some realize. IF he continues to get on base, i'd want to see him starting 3/5 - 4/5 of the sox games - definitely sitting when lowe is on the mound.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

there has been some talk of Oaklands interest in BK and Youkilis, the on base machine. Hmmm. Zito in Beantown.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Sean Burroughs (the Padres 3B) seems like the type of hitter Youkilis could be in the majors, but where would they play Youkilis? Given that there free-swingin' Chavez fellow?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Well... they still need a shortstop.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently Oakland had some scouts in to see BK's start the other night and nonetheless were not impressed. Neither was I. He needs to go to a small market team where the pressure and the fans won't get to him. Like Milwaukee for Ben Sheets.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

What makes you think all these teams are so anxious to give up their top young players for Kim? So far, you've mentioned Jason Lane, Adam Everett, Brad Lidge, Barry Zito, and Ben Sheets. Are basing this on actual rumblings you've heard or are you just pulling these names out of your ass because you'd like to see them as Red Sox?

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

He needs to go to a small market team where the pressure and the fans won't get to him.

that sentence screams portland, maine.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

What makes you think all these teams are so anxious to give up their top young players for Kim?

because top young talent become top veteran talent who command top pay.

i'd heard the a's were hot for youkilis and i know they had scouts in town to watch the kim's self-immolation, i can't speak to any of the other scenarios.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only mentioned Zito and Sheets. Zito's name has been mentioned, Sheets im just throwing that out there. Chill out.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

because top young talent become top veteran talent who command top pay.

I can understand that, but in the case of the Astros mentioned (which were actually put forth by Yanc3y, not Chris V as I thought when I made my last post), all three have still have several years before they're eligible for free agency, so trading them now to avoid paying their salaries in four years just doesn't make any sense, especially since the Astros are counting on those guys for their run for the playoffs and WS this year.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only mentioned Zito and Sheets. Zito's name has been mentioned, Sheets im just throwing that out there. Chill out.

Sorry about that. I had attributed a post to you that Yanc3y had made.

boldbury (boldbury), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

it wouldn't make sense if those guys on the 'stros have lots of years remaining. are the contracts solid or are there buyouts and escalators built in?

i'd love to see sheets in a boston uni but i read somewhere that milwaukee doesn't want to trade him.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

crap, i meant to ask if anyone knows of a website that has contract information for players.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Milwaukee would be nutz to trade him. The only player I could see the Sox realistically getting would be Zito, but I can't see the A's giving him up for just Youkilis & BHK.

Otto, I think the team pages on ESPN have links to player's contract situations...?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for the tip. traditionally lefties have not done well at fenway but that may be due more the quality of left handers the sox have had than anything else. bruce hurst was money for a few years.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

boldbury, check Zito's gamelog.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

MLB contracts -- beware, though, it says it hasn't been updated since 2003. But some of that info should still be good.

I think the Sporting News quoted a Brewers exec who said they'd have to have an "unbelievable" deal just to consider trading Sheets. I also recall reading somewhere (last year maybe?) that the Bosox realize Youkilis's value just as much as the A's and letting him go is pretty unlikely?

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I also recall reading somewhere (last year maybe?) that the Bosox realize Youkilis's value just as much as the A's and letting him go is pretty unlikely?

that would be Moneyball by Michael Lewis. :-P

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh heh... that's it.

I think I'll go buy that book for a friend or loved one.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah there was also a rumbling of Sox prospect Abe Alvarez, thrown into that Zito deal. Z to the Ito.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

youkilis is NOT VALUABLE. he's a 25 year old prospect who can't hit or field. no team, not even the a's, will be interested in him as a major chip.

(ok, maybe i'm overreacting a bit because he was pretty decent in AA and lower, but he's shown no ability whatsoever to hit or even walk all that much against AAA pitching, and his time is running out. we'll see what he's hitting at the end of the year, but i see him as closer to a gloveless (=valueless) mark bellhorn than WADE FREAKING BOGGS or if he can start hitting for average maybe dave magadan with a little more power maybe)

kim is entering his second or third year of arbitration and isn't all that attractive as a trade piece either. so at this point, youkilis + kim for barry zito at this point is a joke (and i'm not calling whoever brought it up here an idiot or anything because i've seen it mentioned a lot), although i'm not all that high on zito yet either. i think he'll be traded by opening day 2005, july 31 at the latest. it'd be cool if the a's held on to him though, so they could have the 5 home-grown aces rotation of zito/harden/hudson/mulder/blanton. but yeah, zito has pretty clearly become the least valuable of the 3, and oakland will be lucky to hold on to two of the big three.

as for sheets, i can't believe the trade rumors flying, but boston absolutely doesn't have what it takes for him. they'd have to completely clean out their farm system for him - shoppach, ramirez, maybe a pitcher or two. wouldn't happen.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

alright, the answer is clear we need to bring back Calvin Shiraldi.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"alright, the answer is clear we need to bring back Bob Stanley."

corrected.

earlnash, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

he's a 25 year old prospect

As a Greek god, Youkilis fears not nor is subject to the aging processes of mortal man!

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Youkilis cares not for beans?

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems neither shoppach nor youkilis are tearing up the international league:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=milb-intl/teams/319/individual.aspx?team=319

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

John, aren't Hudson & Mulder locked into long term deals that keep them as A's through 2006 or 2007?

And the Sox CLEARLY need Lee Smith and Jeff Reardon back.

BTW, Sox fans - http://www.soxaholix.com.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

DICK RADATZ TO THREAD!!

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, i knew i was forgetting something in that muddled little post above. all contract info can be viewed here: http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_06_29_dugoutdollars_archive.html

hudson and mulder are only locked up through next year.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

while we're on the subject of red sox trades, people are taking very seriously a rumor that the sox will trade byung hyun kim for freddy garcia, then flip garcia and youkilis to the royals for carlos beltran. people are stupid.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and johnny damon would probably be involved somewhere along the lines, but it kind of falls apart right at "kim for garcia".

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

of course now that i've said that, i'm worrying there might be a kernal of truth in it - perhaps the sox will throw in a couple other top prospects in the garcia deal. that would leave the farm system totally barren, but beltran is quite possibly worth it. i really, really want him in pinstripes by next year, and i really, really, really don't want to see him with the sox.

the other thing is that theo has already bent over multiple GMs in trades (and honestly i can't help but feel its because there are GMs eager to screw the yankees in any way possible), bavasi is reportedly a moron, and baird has recently become hyper-obsessed with patience - the kind of guy who would overrate youkilis. i'm beginning to get worried.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Tell me how the Yankees get Beltran in a trade? They have no farm system. Of course if it came down to the free agent thing, they'd snap him up. But a trade for Beltran from the Yankees ain't happening. So good luck with Bernie "Guitar" Williams.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 13 May 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

and for the past three years Freddy Garcia has been coming to the sox like Ron Jeremy on a chicks tits.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 13 May 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

the yankees farm system is as good as the sox right now, actually, bu they don't have the sox depth (that would allow them to trade kim, for instance, or hillenbrand last year). if the yanks wanted to they could put together a package involving cano/duncan/navarro or something, but they wouldn't. i hope. so whut i'm thinkin is: beltran is either kept in kc or traded to a non-red sox team, then picked up by the yanks as an FA. however, if the sox really do near a beltran trade, i'd want cash to put together a serious package for beltran + window (from boras, probably impossible) and lock him up for 7 years.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The last time the Red Sox had depth in their farm system was in 1876 when they dug the Pawtucket irrigation trenches 3 feet deeper.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, depth on the ml roster. and that should say "the yankees farm system is quite possibly better than the red sox' right now" although that's not saying much and i'm certainly no expert on these things. but all of the red sox major chips have been performing horribly so far this season.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/173371_mari14.html

Bavasi said no deals are near, but rumors are circulating the Red Sox and Royals are trying to entice the Mariners into a three-way trade. Boston would trade pitcher Byung Hyun Kim and, possibly, outfielder Johnny Damon to the Mariners in exchange for pitcher Freddy Garcia and minor league starter Cha Seung Baek.

If the Red Sox could get the Mariners to bite, Garcia would then be shipped to Kansas City, with outfielder Carlos Beltran going to Boston.

The Mariners are known to covet Beltran, (!! hello??? cut out the middleman already!)

John (jdahlem), Friday, 14 May 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

good commentary on the rumor over at http://ussmariner.blogspot.com/

John (jdahlem), Friday, 14 May 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Youkilis 2-4 with a HR in his major league debut today.

mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 15 May 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

his name is great: "you•kill•us"

& regardless of how the last 2 games have turned out, i am really looking forward to attending tomorrow's.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 15 May 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

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By Tony Massarotti
Thursday, May 20, 2004

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Derek Lowe [stats, news] has allowed 73 baserunners in 38 innings this season, but more disconcerting for him was the sight of teammate Pedro Martinez [stats, news] literally running laps in the Red Sox [stats, schedule] clubhouse late yesterday without any clothes on.

No joking.

``I have a hard time talking with this guy running around butt-naked,'' said Lowe.

But we digress.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

the globe article mentioned that, only they said pedro was doing what he called "rally laps" around the clubhouse.


otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i tell ya that must be a sight a gerri curled nude pedro.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M REALLY FUCKING SICK OF THESE FAT SOX PLAYERS RE-SIGNING FOR WAY LESS THAN THEY'RE WORTH

John (jdahlem), Friday, 21 May 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

HOW'S BERNIE'S CONTRACT TREATING YA?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 May 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hows bernies balls on yer nose treatin ya!

;)

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Monday, 24 May 2004 10:17 (twenty-one years ago)

ortiz on the road

2001: .890 OPS
2002: .865 OPS
2003: .876 OPS
2004: .877 OPS

a lot - possibly a lot-lot - of his value comes from fenway park. the sox should've had to OVERPAY him. grr.

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 30 May 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(tee-hee)

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 30 May 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

im taking back my comments about arroyo above.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, whatever, Poops. Yeah, he hasn't been all that since that godlike start against the Blue Jays, but he's not entirely at fault. It would've been nice if Francona realized he was tapped after 100+ pitches and didn't have him throwing meatballs to VLADIMIR GUERRERO w/ two guys on. I'm all for frugality, but yeesh.

And what the hell was up with that clay pigeon uncorked that allowed a run to score? A for effort to BA for actually making the catch and clearing the bag, but, man. The Sox have suffered through some untimely cases of yips! this season.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a die-hard sox fan to no end. But I honestly don't care for Francona all that much. I think they should have stuck with Grady. Yes, I hate him for his bonehead non-move in game 7 but something about Francona sticks in my craw.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Grady can sit and rotate on a blender blade. The Game 7 "thing" was the most egregious goof-up in a series of low-key WTF?s Grady tried to pass off the last couple of years. I'm totally fine with Francona, if only because his screw-ups are partially justifiable (except in hindsight), and because he's only been there for 2 months, and because they've been swapping spit with first place most of the year despite lacking the daily recommended dosage of Nomar & Trotsky. If there's anyone in the RSN cabinet that's in clear need of a foot in the ass and a plane ticket, it's third base coach Dale Sveum, AKA Wendell Kim II: The Wavening.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

or dave wallace for that matter.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wallace is fine. Until he does something stupid more than once, he's safe. (What's he done?)

So, Terry, w/ Pedro OBVIOUSLY laboring through 5, and already over or near 100 pitches, why do you have him put Eckstein & Figgins on base (Figgins w/ a 4 pitch walk!) so Timlin can give Vlad RBIs #6, 7, and 8 on the very first pitch of VG's AB? Huh? Wouldn't you rather have the fresh guy come in @ the start of the inning w/ the top of the order due up to have a better chance of dealing w/ the Impaler in a 2-out no-runners-on situation instead of Pedro trying to get by on moxie & shineballs? Terry? You got any "manager's decision" hoohah you'd like to try & sneak past me?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Steven Goldman of BP:

"The only rationale for playing Pokey Reese is that Derek Lowe needs the glove help, but Lowe is beyond rescue. Pokey can do a lot of things in the field, but he can't stop Lowe from throwing ball four."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

He could if he tackled the home plate ump before the pitch crossed the plate.

And Lowe pitched "well" last start! It's the "confidence boost" he needs to start a little "run" that'll get D-Lowe back to the way he was during that magical 2K2 season. ("Scare quotes".)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

lowe is a total headcase, so i'd buy that partially. only partially because he's liable to explode again the moment things start going the other way. and lowe totally needs glove help. pokey should start behind him without question, although bellhorn is perhaps underrated as a defender. with lowe, one dribbling ball past an outstretched bellhorn that pokey could've fielded might decide a game.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

John, you'll be happy to know that Lowe almost blew his last start because he nerfed a double play throw to 2nd base.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Bobby Valentine says the Red Sox contacted him after firing Grady Little. God, that would have been great. I'm a Valentine fan (anyone fired by the Dubya regime in Texas is OK in my book), but I can just see a real meltdown with the NY-Bos pressure.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i had lowe in my league last year and traded him the first week in june because he was playing like he's playing now. he turned it around then, i'm hoping he can salvage the rest of the year. good news for the sox is that tony cloninger we be joining the sox at home. he's been recouperating in north carolina since may and since dave wallace has been on his own the sox era, whip, and baa have all gone up.

lowe is pitching like he wants to play for the major league minimum next year and not a penny more.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm really starting to dislike Tito.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 10 June 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy Dominique better be Pawtucket bound. They can just save some cash & have him hitch a ride on one of his own throws. Of course, he'll end up in Bangor if he does that, but whatever.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

they should have him hitch a ride on one of his tits. luckily i predicted the outcome of the game and started B. Lawrence for my fantasy team.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 10 June 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris, the problem with Operation TitRide is that AD's tit ain't gonna go anywhere anytime soon. (RUDE!)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well Williamson is supposed to be activated today....so who's going down.

Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The Greek God of Walks....

is on Friendster.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Skaidrys, 06/14/2004:

you have big shows to fill mister...last year the back-up turn starter 3rd baseman lead teh AL in batting average....I EXPECT NO LESS FROM YOU !!!! :-D good luck YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUK!!!

You'd think I left that testimonial.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
arroyo's last 8 starts:

5IP 1ER
6IP 3ER
6IP 2ER
6.1IP 2ER
5IP 2ER
7IP 2ER
8IP 0ER
6IP 1ER (so far tonight)

2.37 ERA

jeepers

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i know johan santana, branson arroyo is no johan santana.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i messed that up somewhere, as he's only had 7 starts since the anaheim bombing. but he's done pretty well.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The season of never ending disappointment. actually make that a lifetime.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

so i saw last night that they're near the botton of the league in fielding. i think they're team fielding percentage was .978? ouch. that even accounts for that fact that poeky and bellhorn had supposedly shored up the middle?

j.q. higgins, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Read weep etc.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

bellhorn apparently has inherited the stone glove used by todd walker and jose offerman in their stints with the bosox. he's no great shakes in the field. all the way around (with the exception of damon, nomar and nixon) they are substandard defensively.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, and pokey of course.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

with bosox up 2, foulke gives up a single and a walk to the top of seattle's lineup bringing the winning run to the plate. only then does he decide to strike the next 3 batters (incl. boone and martinez).

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

don't count the sox out of the division yet:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/27677.htm

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still of the opinion that the Red Sox can take the Yankees in 6 games if they get another good starter, and they might just do it without another good starter (that Yankees' staff is pretty dire)

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know, man...quantrill, gordon and rivera are have looked pretty tough thus far.

bosox definitely have the edge amongst starters, though. anyone know when moose and brown are expected back?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's possible if not probable that the BoSox offense would feast on the Yanks' starters, although they might psyche themselves out of it.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

errr, pitching quantrill with the game on the line is pretty riske, if you know what i mean.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

nice one.

one or more of quantrill/gordon/rivera will either spend time on the dl or develop a serious case of deadarm before the end of the season/postseason. hopefully the yanks will make a hard charge at guardado, who would both fill the lefty role and give them much-needed depth. i'd say that should be priority #2 after getting a good starter.

brown had a so-so rehab start and, i'm guessing, will make at least one more. i haven't heard anything suggesting moose will be out for an extended time, but who knows.

sheff has been our offense for the past month and half, so if he goes...

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Giambi looking like the worst Yankee signing in recent memory or what?

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno.

at this point, it looks like he's pulling an albert belle, but i suppose it really depends on how he finishes this year. he was pretty damn good his first year w/ the yanks and at least put up some decent power numbers last year.

but more and more i start thinking...steve balboni.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Ken Phelps

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Kevin Maas?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex "the best player in baseball" Rodriguez?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(ie, how do his VORP, RC, RARP #s compare to previous seasons?)

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Giambi's VORP thru the years:

2001 OAK 123.6
2002 NYY 101.0
2003 NYY 57.2
2004 NYY 10.0

Ouch.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

similarly:

A-Rod VORP

2001 TEX 111.6
2002 TEX 94.7
2003 TEX 96.3
2004 NYY 40.0

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

park effects are probably playing a big role for a-rod this year, but a lot of the time's i've seen him it really looks like he's pressing. he's been dreadful in any kind of pressure situation you can think of so that might give some weight to that theory.

with giambi's knee, you never know. he could be at the end of the road, or he could just be feelling the effects of those parasites. he was rolling around may but has since fallen off a cliff. and sheffield is looking like the next to go. this in addition to the pitching problems, so my worst fears/predictions are coming true. plus, this team just doesn't look like a playoff team. the starting pitching is completely unpredictable.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

how much of A-Rod's "greatness" do you think is attributed to playing in The Ballpark for a last place team for 3 seasons? i have a friend who's a big A-Rod fan and this is the angle I take with him.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still wondering why A-Rod was ever called "the best player in baseball", while Bonds and Pujols are around (and the fact he was a SS prior to this year doesn't mean much in my opinion). Plus he was helped by playing in Arlington as well

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

arod's road numbers 01-03:
.278/.375/.564

04:
.255/.356/.543

the only diff is 23 points of batting average, which can be made up in a hurry. he's got 15 HRs on the road and only 9 at home. (from 01-03, 86 HRs at home, 70 on the road)

if you wanna see why arod was called the best, check out 2000-2001-2002, where, in his mid-20s, he put up pujols-like offensive numbers while stealing bags at will and fielding a GG caliber shortstop. he was called the best because he WAS the best. i'd still say he's the best all-around player in baseball.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

ramirez also seems to be underrated now that pujols has splashed onto the seen..since '99 he's mashed as well as anyone this side of barry bonds and is having an amazing year (as good as pujols '03) but doesn't seem to be getting much attention. which is fine with me, actually.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i like your logic:

HE'D BE THE GREATEST PLAYER EVER IF THE YANQUIS DEALT HIM TO THE ROCKIES!!!

Is he even the best SS on the Yanquis?
Isn't Michael Young having a better year than A-Rod at SS in Texas?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ahh but in 2000-2002 no one could come close to touching Barry, not even A-Rod, and in '01 Sosa would have beaten him as well. I'm not as high on the overall importance of SBs and defense as others, though.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

or "importance of position" either

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

2000 was safeco, dude.
young has an .873 ops, so...no.

erm, position is vastly important...just a sec

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ah okay, i checked on M.Young vs. A-Rod a little earlier in the season and M. Young was cleaning A-Rod's clock.

I believe somewhat in the marginal utility of a good hitter in a position normally not known for such but I feel there is way too much emphasis when you overvalue it.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

first, the raw defensive aspect of it...http://www.tangotiger.net/UZR9903TT.html. that's got arod at +10 runs, barry at -9, so that's a 19 run diff per season. as for offense (and i hope i'm not double counting here), assume we're talking about barry + average offensive SS vs. arod + average offensive LF. the avg shorstop has an eqa of .258; the avg leftfielder, .283. this season, that's roughly the difference between (on offense) carl crawfod/luis gonzalez/moises alou and craig counsell/chris gomez/royce clayton, which is pretty considerable.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Are we taking into account ballpark factors?

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah. i can't get an exact runs number but i'd guess if it was calculated that way it'd amount to about 40 runs per season in favor of a-rod.

just using epsn's not-park-adjusted RC, that would put bonds from 00-03 at 666 runs created (hmm), arod at 733 RC. the huge park factor differences would put bonds in the lead again. still, the gap wasn't all THAT huge (even if i'm way overvaluing the position diff), and a-rod tromped bonds in 2000 when the "best player in baseball" talk really got cooking. people have a natural bias against one-dimensional players and toward guys who can beat you in multiple ways, so i don't think this is a big deal.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd venture a dropoff similar to ARod's home/road splits in his RC, I imagine the Park Adjusted #s would show Bonds (and a few others) way ahead of A-DropInVorp.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

A-Rod is of course a great, great player who might well finish with 3500 hits, 800 HR, and 2000 RBI, but I'd still take Bonds over him right now, and probably Pujols.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 22 July 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i would too. i think. definitely bonds, who's basically a one-man offense.

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 July 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Watching the first few innings of the Red Sox shellacing Tampa, they flashed some interesting stats. The Red Sox record in 1 run games was 8 below .500, at something like 7 and 15. The Sox had also had something like 78 un-earned runs. Take out Schilling and Pedro, the rest of the staff is four games under .500.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Take out Schilling and Pedro and this team is a pile of shit. Its halfway there anyways.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 12 August 2004 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And that was said AFTER they drop 14 on the D-Rays!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 August 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

they may as well take a steaming dump on home plate. this team sucks and in my opinion has no shot at the playoffs

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 12 August 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't disagree w/ that assessment, though I'd change "sucks" to "has bad luck & a VP with piss-poor PR & people skillz".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 August 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)


A 7-15 record in one-run games is staggeringly unlucky for a team around .550. I think that alone indicates they're at worst co-favorites for the wild card.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"has no shot at the playoffs..."

American League W L GB Left
Anaheim 63 51 -- 48
Boston 62 50 -- 50
Texas 61 51 1.0 50
Cleveland 60 55 3.5 47
Chi White Sox 56 55 5.5 51

I'd say they are in pretty good shape considering the problems they had in the first half. After hearing that stat about the unearned runs and the losses in one run games, it is no wonder they went out and got a 1b and ss that could field the position well. They could use another good starter, but most teams in baseball could use another one.

The Angels may have a better bullpen, but they don't have a starter as good as Pedro or Schilling and their hitting is good, but not as deep as Boston. Texas has less pitching and hitting than Boston. It is more likely that Cleveland can overtake the Twins than get hot enough to win the wildcard. I think the injuries are catching up to Minnesota and they really lack a big bat in their lineup.

Boston season is similar to the Cubs, they have had problems, but are in pretty good shape. I think that trade, while not popular, may be what the Red Sox needed. Getting Williamson healthy would definitely help, but it doesn't look like he will be ready for a while.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 12 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

boston are easy favorites for the wildcard because:

i)they're better than all the other teams
ii)the other teams will be taking big bites out of each other due to the unbalanaced schedule

John (jdahlem), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard Williamson's forearm swelled up during a throwing session & he's getting shut down for the year. Given that the bullpen's rec'd questionable stuff from any currently healthy pitcher not named Foulke (though Ramiro's looked quite good during Francona's "ease him back into meaningful appearances" campaign) (and there's always the chance that the mercurial Byung can contribute, but I read a minor league report about BYK getting freaked out by large crowds, so maybe he's not an option), it would behoove the starters to pitch efficiently.

Or it'd behoove the offense to slap crooked numbers on the board at all possible opportunities. Millar's had a fine 6 weeks, & while Bellhorn's injury did suck, the Greek God is holding the fort down nicely (and, from what I've seen, Youk / OC / Mueller / Minky is a better defensive IF than Mueller / OC / Bellhorn / Minky, but I can't definitively say that). I don't know Trot's status, though - will he come back this year? if he does, will Millar & Nixon platoon RF?

Right now, with the injuries they've incurred, the Sox are fielding their best post-NG hitting lineup. The big assbite's gonna come when Bellhorn & Nixon become available, and someone's bat is going to have to ride the pine so that OC & Minky can make like Tom Emanski training coaches. Which will then lead to Francona offering different lineups almost every night (cf. Bobby V, Jimy Williams), which will undoubtedly lead to more pissmoaning (cf. Millar's recent outburst). Which will lead to a situation where the Sox might be on the outside looking in at a Yankees / Angels NLDS in October.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 August 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are the BoSox so intent on keeping Youkilis on the bench?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

he's also the greek god of bench warming.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)


He bruised his leg Sunday, X-rays and DL pending.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Home plate collision during the ChiSox series. Alomar got hurt in the hit, too (shocking, yes, I know, Sandy Alomar getting hurt).

Minky @ 2B = not a good look (aesthetically speaking).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

White Sox catchers haven't had the best luck with collisions at the plate. Coincidence or not, they seemed to lose it from the moment Torii Hunter laid their catcher out a few weeks back.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Arroyo's curveball is NASTY when it's working. He's a very good pitcher!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, i should be watching that game but when i checked in it looked like a slugfest and those always suck.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

wow, manny is just destroying those guys.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

oh GOD so i tune in to see the worst strike call of the year, on a 2 out, 2-1 timlin fastball to everett w/ the bases loaded. 8 inches outside, it was pathetic. everett struck out on the next pitch.

at least it was crazy carl at the plate. he vented my rage for me pretty nicely.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

varitek is insanely hot right now. i've always hated that swarthy bastard.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That 2-1 pitch was frickin' brutal. If I was crazy Carl I would've slugged that ump, that was such a travesty. It was a traveshamockery. And listen to McCarver, "that pitch may have been outside, but close enough to call if it's not strike 3". What in God's name is that moron talking about?? He is the absolute WORST. God bless Deion Sanders, that's all I have to say.

I'm sorry, I'm not one to complain about umpires, but that was flat-out RIDICULOUS.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah and it was a TAILING fastball going AWAY from the outside corner of the plate. it wasn't a strike from the moment it left his hand. i guess i was fuming too much to hear mccarver's comment, thank god.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
The Boston Red Sox repay their fans by raising ticket prices 7%. Who said buying a championship was hard work?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

g!, the bitterness stench is making my eyes tear up over here. Please to rein in the incredulity.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha!

"Yeah, sure they don't spend as much as NYY but they're the lesser of 2 evils...." sounds like something out of an early John Kerry campaign roundtable.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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