current worst everyday player in baseball

iyo

right now i'd go with kaz matsui -- his line atm is .191/.255/.191 -- he has no extra base hits & isn't even young. i guess he's an above average defender, but he plays second base so who really cares

wow @ that line

maybe valbuena on clev as a contender

brandon wood on the angels has .176/.195/.259 28K's in 85 abs

I was just about to say Brandon Wood.

Not only is he bad on offense, but he's piling up errors as well.

but yeah at least those are young guys & u can argue they have potential

i would say gordon beckham but even tho he was hitting under .200 his obp was still slightly above .300

At some point you have to say that Wood doesn't have potential. Maybe it isn't now, but soon.

doesnt coghlan have 0 xbh's ?

yes he does -- two nights in a row an OF has laid out & robbed him of a double

the answer is Aramis Ramirez according to the HACKING MASS 2010 RANKINGS:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/hm/

currently:

	Name  	Position  	Popularity  	2010 ESPN
1.	Charlie Morton	P	5	49
2.	Jason Marquis	P	50	45
3.	Gil Meche	P	19	42
4.	Javier Vazquez	P	1	41
5.	Aramis Ramirez	3B	0	40
6.	Chris Coghlan	LF	3	38
6.	Edwin Jackson	P	0	38
8.	Daniel McCutchen	P	1	36
9.	Juan Pierre	LF	129	34
10.	Doug Davis	P	10	33

Aramis Ramirez's line is .148/.208/.259 fwiw

good lord

wow. how soon until something is done about that?!

aramis always has awful starts iirc

GODDAMMIT I TOTALLY MISSED HACKING MASS THIS YEAR! WHY DON'T THE FUCKERS BANNER IT BEFORE THE SEASON OPENS?!?!?!

AS LONG AS THEY'RE GONNA KEEP REGISTRATION OPEN 12 DAYS INTO THE SEASON

this was your year!

i don't know how you could say aramis ramirez unless you're interpreting "current" as "just looking at the current season and not considering their history"

he does look pretty shellshocked so far this season though :(

ok i did not rc, i thought he was mostly a second half player but the splits reveal otherwise. he'll be fine tho

haha, n/a you sound like Cubs brass... "yeah just leave him in there batting fifth, give him another 5 weeks to figure it out..."

uh I didn't say anything like that? He might be washed up and done for all I know. I'm just saying it's weird to call him the "worst everyday player in baseball" when he's been pretty good to great the last few seasons.

.160 babip isn't really sustainable even if hes making bad contact a lot

we had a Hacking Mass thread the last few years, you'd think someone wd've started one

(also I thought SS had no use for BP)

Maybe it should just be the DH in general. The average DH OPS this year is .720, slightly better than that of Jason Kendall.

epic battle going on tonight @ Wrigley:

Coghlan vs. A-Ramirez

I had no idea that Coghlan bats lead off, that makes his performance even more tragic.

Coghlan defied the odds with a squibbed-out dying quail double off his knuckles down the left field line.

Aramis Ramirez, clearly unimpressed, responded by grounding out softly to pitcher and striking out looking.

shasta is underselling the coghlan double btw -- it was actually pretty hard hit considering it was a lefty/lefty off ted lilly

but yeah

Marcus Thames, possibly.

it all comes down to who want THIS more, and clearly AramiRam is hungrier to make those outs.

thames, darnell mcdonald & john van every make for an all star parallel universe al east outfield

hermida's not that great himself aside from a few timely extra base hits, if you want to just stick with boston

ha, true

Jason Bay

this is Atlanta's outfield when Heyward doesn't start:

Matt Diaz: .171/.227/.229
Nate McLouth: .169/.299/.281
Melky Cabrera: .194/.284/.233

yikes

at least javy is playing equally as bad for the yanks

i was being facetious about bay. but a vazquez/bay trade might work for both sides and sell some papers.

i'm talking about melky

Coghlan is slugging .217. How do you do that?

Melky has more at bats than any other Atlanta OF.

Atlanta should see what New York would want for Vazquez.

Coghlan is slugging .217. How do you do that?

― Andy K, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:10 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

1 xp hit in 30+ games \(o_O)/

lol, xbh

he hasn't leveled up yet

Atlanta should see what New York would want for Vazquez.

^^ backsies wouild be pretty funny

Your bottom 10 as of today:

201. Akinori Iwamura PIT 2b NL 2010 132 10.6% .175 .275 .254 2 1 -.335 -0.321 -0.207 -10.6 -10.1 -6.5
202. Pedro Feliz HOU 3b NL 2010 110 9.8% .221 .236 .308 1 1 -.310 -0.362 -0.246 -8.7 -10.2 -6.9
203. Melky Cabrera ATL lf NL 2010 121 9.5% .200 .288 .238 0 1 -.315 -0.346 -0.249 -8.9 -9.8 -7.1
204. Julio Borbon TEX cf AL 2010 107 8.5% .214 .229 .262 4 1 -.401 -0.427 -0.285 -10.1 -10.8 -7.2
205. Lyle Overbay TOR 1b AL 2010 138 10.3% .167 .263 .283 1 0 -.325 -0.390 -0.230 -10.5 -12.6 -7.4
206. Chris Coghlan FLO lf NL 2010 120 9.4% .209 .263 .218 4 1 -.403 -0.405 -0.268 -11.3 -11.3 -7.5
207. Carlos Lee HOU lf NL 2010 126 11.2% .200 .238 .292 1 2 -.340 -0.343 -0.254 -11.0 -11.1 -8.2
208. Jose Lopez SEA 3b AL 2010 137 11.4% .214 .241 .282 2 0 -.339 -0.390 -0.251 -11.2 -12.8 -8.3
209. Brandon Wood ANA 3b AL 2010 104 8.0% .168 .184 .238 1 0 -.533 -0.582 -0.452 -13.5 -14.7 -11.4
210. Aramis Ramirez CHN 3b NL 2010 141 10.7% .159 .227 .254 0 0 -.440 -0.487 -0.368 -14.4 -15.9 -12.0

Lets see we got the reigning national league roy, 2 dudes who make a fucking shitload of money, a guy who was traded for Javy Vazquez, the former future of the Angels franchise and some scrubs.

I like this crew.

LOLverbay makes some alright change too.

griffey cannot be far from that list either

not an everyday player lol!!

even in that shitstorm of an offensive lineup... wow.

"clubhouse presence"

hes there to keep milton bradley even keeled

and to get mike sweeney to challenge younger players to fights

mikes weeney

i can't not call him that.

coghlan's line is impressive given that he's hitting line drives at about the same rate as he did last year (and well above league average)

when he makes contact it looks the same as last year p much, but he's swinging & missing a lot more & his pitch selection has been poor

is gerald laird considered an everyday player?

He has not started since May 4th so that would be a NO.

bottom 1/3 of the yankee lineup tbh

who the f is "Greg Golson"?!

sounds make up.

spot the sock

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/gregg_olson_autograph.jpg

ha ha

Grady Sizemore
.224/.289/.310
0 HR

Is he still hurt?

tommy manzella

.180/.237/.236

bottom 1/3 of the yankee lineup tbh

― Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:34 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

WORLD. OF. SHIT.

the competition is heating up, a virtual 4 way tie for "first"...

Name Position Popularity 2010 ESPN
2. Aramis Ramirez 3B 0 46
3. Akinori Iwamura 2B 8 45
3. Jose Lopez 3B 1 45
7. Brandon Wood 3B 8 44
8. Chone Figgins 2B 0 41
9. Brendan Ryan SS 4 40

BET U WISH U HADN'T PUNTED TEH BOTTOM 1/3 of yrs LINEUP YANKEES

jose reyes: .216/.262/.288

for all the talk of dwright getting benched, this one's kinda flying under the radar.

gordo beckham - .188/.291/.242

he was v. streaky last yr also

if jose lopez does not get a hit tonight, he runs the risk of having a sub .500 OPS

that's pretty impressive for someone who doesn't strike out a ton

i believe he has a 3 game hitting streak too!

for all the talk of dwright getting benched, this one's kinda flying under the radar.

What kind of moron talk are u listening to, dood

Wright is third among NL 3b in VORP; ya, bench the fucker

yer kinda turning into the Armond White of ILBB

Uh Morbs Quixote.... you do realize he was benched, not by me, but by his own manager a week ago because he was stinking up the joint right?

Are you still following this team or do I have to fill you in on how bad your players are?

http://www.google.com/search?q=david%20wright%20benched&tbs=nws:1

uhhh "benching" vs. "day off," also jerry manuel is a retard so who cares what decisions he's making

xpost: Although.... It is kinda cute when you lash out at me for your own damn manager's actions, almost convinces me that I actually have some pull over that shitty team that you love.

AmRam, currently mired in a 2-24 slump has spent the first 1/3 of 2010, with a sub-.500 OPS:

.162/.227/.269

Brandon Wood has been taken out of the starting line-up for LAAoA: with his sub-.400 OPS... kinda amazing he's still got a job in the majors tbqh.

he doesn't -- went 1-for-5 for salt lake last night

btw the pirates' highest-paid player, second baseman akinori iwamura (.172/.272/.248), has been benched in favor of former catcher neil walker

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5269022&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

RIP.

amazing that Jose Lopez (worst everyday player in baseball) is batting clean-up for the M's...

Ichiro has the highest qualifying SLG on that team (.422), whose lineup is like...Junior Felix and eight minor variations of him (with less punch).

Brandon Wood padding his resume tonight with 2k's and gets picked off 1st with runners on 1st and 3rd 2 outs.

small sample size blah blah blah but:

Since returning from the disabled list [Aramis Ramirez] has posted some gaudy numbers, .358/.388/.765 (1.143 OPS) in 72 plate appearances, including six doubles, a triple, six home runs, 16 runs scored and 15 RBI in 17 games.

Gordon Beckham is furiously attempting to pass the baton

i don't think it's sample size moreso than dude was hurt and too stubborn to go to the DL.

BP has Chone Figgins as topping the HM charts (probably because Beckham isn't an everyday player anymore?)

aaron hill might be finally coming around also

I still think its Tommy manzella

you do know what "everyday" means?

I figured he played short there. Don't pay much attention to the stros

Manzella was playing everyday until he got hurt at the end of June. Obp is .259

your thread dude, you should have started that "current worst everyday player who got hurt and doesn't play everyday anymore" one instead!!!!!11!....

should have also mentioned that when a team's worst player gets "hurt", it's sometimes not that he's hurt it's that he sucks and the team has room on the DL and the GM does some creative roster juggling in the interest of "rehabbing" said "hurt players" in the minors. no idea if this is the case with Tommy Manzella but very well could be.

Right. How about Jason Kendall then? No homers or triples this year

no offense dude but did you take a rip van winkle-esque nap away from baseball?

you're talking about a guy who makes Eckstein look like Henry Aaron.

JK averages about one 3B/HR (each) for the past 5-6 seasons, I wasn't aware he was forecasted for a breakout year.

hes been kinda hot lately! (have him on a deep al-only fantasy league)

this is from his cbs analysis lol: One of the least offensive catchers around, Kendall has 19 of his 30 RBI since June began and is 11 for 35 (.314) in July

JK averages about one 3B/HR (each) for the past 5-6 seasons, I wasn't aware he was forecasted for a breakout year.

this still means that he sucks

i was kind of just musing off the top of my head btw

Qualifying OPS unleaderboard:

RK	PLAYER	TEAM	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	Cesar Izturis	BAL	415	37	97	12	0	1	25	9	5	20	47	.234	.275	.270	.545
2	Jose Lopez	SEA	525	42	125	25	0	7	49	3	2	19	57	.238	.267	.326	.593
3	Jason Kendall	KC	434	39	111	18	0	0	37	12	7	37	45	.256	.318	.297	.615
4	Chone Figgins	SEA	517	55	128	17	1	1	32	36	11	68	106	.248	.334	.290	.624
5	Nyjer Morgan	WSH	465	55	119	14	7	0	23	33	16	33	80	.256	.316	.316	.632
6	Erick Aybar	LAA	501	64	128	18	4	5	27	19	8	33	78	.255	.308	.337	.645
7	Alcides Escobar	MIL	450	56	112	14	9	4	40	10	4	32	59	.249	.300	.347	.646
8	Orlando Cabrera	CIN	428	52	113	25	0	3	39	11	4	26	48	.264	.307	.343	.650
9	Yadier Molina	STL	422	32	108	15	0	6	53	7	4	37	46	.256	.321	.334	.655
10	Ryan Theriot	CHC/LAD	516	63	146	15	2	2	29	18	9	33	65	.283	.329	.331	.660

BP HM:
Players

(Average Player 2010 ESPN: 3.4803)

Name	Position	Popularity	2010 ESPN
1.	Cesar Izturis	SS	55	114
1.	Jose Lopez	3B	1	114
3.	Chone Figgins	2B	0	106
4.	Brendan Ryan	SS	4	96
5.	Pedro Feliz	3B	225	95
6.	Jason Kendall	C	312	90
7.	Nyjer Morgan	CF	17	88
8.	Charlie Morton	P	5	87
9.	Juan Pierre	LF	129	85
9.	Erick Aybar	SS	0	85

Izturis slash:

.236/.280/.273

appearing in 144 out of a possible 155 games season to date.

He's been on fire since September 9, apparently.

god that is bad

chone figgins

2009 - top 10 mvp votes
2011 - .484 OPS

ouch

Alex Rios (.214/.254/.323)? He has played 120 games. Who was the last player to play so frequently with such low slash stats?

Figgins has played 81 games.

Rios DOES have 100 fewer Ks than Dunn.

as a result Rios has GIDP 7 more times!

Alex Rios (.214/.254/.323)? He has played 120 games. Who was the last player to play so frequently with such low slash stats?

adam dunn?

i'm sure this isn't the right answer to the thread title but often i feel like ibanez is surely the worst everyday player in baseball

no, it's very close to being the right answer!

didn't he start off pretty hot?

he's had two hot months

he's also been by far the worst defender in the NL

fangraphs WAR has him as the worst player in the NL by a considerable margin

http://i.imgur.com/RJyHh.jpg

As of a week ago, Vernon Wells' .231 OBP was the lowest *ever* for an outfielder, post-1920. Unfortunately, he's been on a hot streak since then and has raised his OBP to .249. Not sure where he stands with regards to history now.

lol @ "unfortunately"!

swear to god: I was at Mariners game on Monday Night and watch V Wells spike a ball into the ground during between-innings long-toss

The SS combination of Paul Janish and Edgar Renteria has been atrocious at the plate and not that hot in the field for the Reds.

Of course if Edgar starts, he usually bats second as in Dusty's blue book the CF or SS either bats 1 or 2.

Vernon Wells' .231 OBP

o_0

That is the first time I have typed "o_O," by the way.

You know what I mean.

Pretty soon there will be a very clear answer to this thread. SF's catchers who've replaced Buster Posey are:

Eli Whiteside .217/.289/.344
Chris Stewart .186/.276/.248

You would think looking at those numbers that Whiteside would be the main catcher with Stewart as backup, but it's actually the reverse sadly.

I've never typed it either, and I'm suddenly tempted. I honestly thought he'd get himself straightened out in California, away from the albatross of having signed the contract here. I was happy to see him get a standing ovation on his return a few weeks ago--great guy just falling apart.

pos

This is the worst number in baseball, by the way: 126 million. If you are a general manager or hope to become one someday, avoid this number. Run from it. In baseball history, three men have received seven year, $126 million deals.

1. Barry Zito: 2007-2013
2. Vernon Wells: 2008-2014
3. Jayson Werth: 2011-2017

ZIto's contract is a disaster. That's obvious. He is 43-61 with a 4.52 ERA over the length of the contract, which is bad enough. Worse he was left off the postseason roster when the Giants won the World Series, and he's now such a wreck that rumors emerge daily of ways that the Giants can simply get rid of him -- shoot him into space, leave him on a porch, or, craziest of all, trade him straight up for Carlos Zambrano, one of those rare trades that would hurt both teams.

Wells contract is so bad that it was considered a modern miracle -- something in the part-the-Red-Sea variety of miracle -- when the Blue Jays were able to deal him to the Angels. Wells, unlike Zito, has had a couple of good years under this contract; those were the even years. And Jose Bautista gives him a lot of credit for his own turnaround, which has been worth a whole lot to Toronto. But in the odd years, he was among the worst everyday players in baseball. This odd year is the worst yet -- he's hitting .215/.249/.395, though those numbers are up over the last couple of weeks.

The Jayson Werth deal might have been the most puzzling of all. The $126 million deal was obviously cursed already. He was turning 32 years old. The Nationals did not seem close enough to contention for this move to help them all that much even if Werth did maintain his 2010 form. He has not so far -- he's hitting .230/.328/.389 at this writing -- and because of his age and various other factors there seems little likelihood of him being an $18 million player any year over the next six. But, I guess you never know.

Either way, you might want to offer $125 million or $127 million or something like that in the future.

Yes, SHOOT HIM INTO SPACE.

Pos, Pos, Pos, Pos, Pos!

uh, wouldn't the giants trade zito straight up for zambrano in .0000000000006 seconds?

zito is not an "everyday player"... and Sabean is very lucky for that.

it is *amazing* that the angels *dealt* for wells

that is like herschel walker-level

and BARELY got any cash for the contract! and they traded MIKE NAPOLI AND JUAN RIVERA to get him.

and he's now such a wreck that rumors emerge daily of ways that the Giants can simply get rid of him -- shoot him into space, leave him on a porch,

I think they could leave Zito on a porch with a guitar and some weed and he'd be genuinely happy for the foreseeable future. Seems like the most humane and satisfying solution for everyone.

Esp. since he'd still get paid the remainder of that awful awful contract I'm sure he'd be very very happy.

leave zito on a porch with $40 mil worth of the kindest bud

kinda wanna poll these guys
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Ibanez's Fielding WAR is insane.

i can't believe he still has a job. i guess the phillies feel like they're playing well enough that they are willing to let it keep sliding. i wouldn't be shocked to Mayberry starting in postseason.

to see*

Two HOF'ers--makes me think of Mays and Carlton. Wonder which HOF'er had the most ignominious exit?

just saw the lineup and he's starting tnite!

god damn, ichiro