2011 World Series: Rangers vs Cardinals

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Sorry, I can't figure out who I want to win.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

should be a poll

Yeah, we are back!

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago)

btw, Rangers in six

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago)

Cards in whatever.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago)

Cards in whatever.

yeah, this

Martyr McFly (WmC), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

don't care about the rangers but actively dislike the cardinals, guessing rangers in six

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

BP did a team article as a preview (free) and picks TEX in 6.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15327

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

for me the Rangers will never wash off the stink of W.
i hope they lose.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago)

I feel you TT, but I can't get with the Cards winning with perhaps the worst team in the postseason AGAIN, 5 years after they did so. We were debating what October "proves" a couple weeks ago and I don't think anybody posted this Posnanski column:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/10/08/theres-only-one-october/

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago)

whoops forgot:

Gm 1 TEX @ STL Wed Oct. 19 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 2 TEX @ STL Thu Oct. 20 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 3 STL @ TEX Sat Oct. 22 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 4 STL @ TEX Sun Oct. 23 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 5* STL @ TEX Mon Oct. 24 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 6* TEX @ STL Wed Oct. 26 8:05 PM FOX
Gm 7* TEX @ STL Thu Oct. 27 8:05 PM FOX

NLCS poll picked MIL 9-2, so who cares what we think?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago)

We can't get anything right.

Martyr McFly (WmC), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago)

yup (to Morbs) - it's been the playoffs/day-before-the-playoffs of the underdog. don't see why it should stop now.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago)

if the Cards win at all (again) we can all expect statues of Tony Larussa to start popping up all over the continent almost immediately.
fans will be forced at gunpoint to sing "God Bless The TLR" between every inning. for halloween for the foreseeable future the only costume available will be Tony Larussa.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

rangers in 5

ciderpress, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago)

if it means he jumps to the Red Sox... well, that wd be even worse

xp

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

Grant Bisbee's anagrams for Ryan Theriot:

Anagrams for Ryan Theriot:

Antihero Try
Rayon Hitter
Rotten, Hairy
Horny Attire

However, the less anagrammable Nick Punto is starting tonight.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago)

Breezy. Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain. Low in the lower 40s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago)

its nasty outside for sure. a little schadenfreude for all the assholes who got tickets at work and passed me over. I may get game 6 or 7 though.

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago)

Nick Punto: Cup In Knot

francisF, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago)

Rangers in 6!

francisF, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago)

Rooting against a team that has never won a World Series is kinda a dick move (unless you're a fan of the opposing team, obv), but I think my conscience can handle it. Besides, Midwest > Southwest.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago)

I've written and erased three posts where I say I actually want Texas to win -- I can't bring myself to actually click the "submit post" button on that.

Martyr McFly (WmC), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago)

I don't know if I agree with that Posnaski piece. Postseason is about matchups, too, and a best-of-seven series should give the team that matches up better plenty of opportunity to win. A best-of-five series is a little quicker, but we've had that for the first round for over forty years.

timellison, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago)

@mtmeyers
N. Cruz is a good player who just had week of his life, but has a career OPS+ of 115. Let's stop pretending he's Dave Winfield

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago)

Autumn showed up just in time for the WS. Monday's high was mid-80s I believe.

Martyr McFly (WmC), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago)

Some great camera work early on here.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

Took Buck only two outs to make an football reference.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago)

lol @ freese

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

Listening to the radio bcz my new antenna can only get pixilated ABC. Fuckin' "digital conversion."

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

will this be the only game that has good pitching?

Bee OK, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago)

it's written in the stars, a million miles away

polyphonic, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago)

It could be the only one that might be 3 hrs or less.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago)

How 'bout that futuristic infrared technology

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago)

that freese edmonds trade gets worse and worse

polyphonic, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago)

that's a good piece of ______ing

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 October 2011 02:01 (thirteen years ago)

whoa crazy video of Pujols sticking it back to Nyjer Morgan: http://bit.ly/qV1gbC

sanskrit, Thursday, 20 October 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago)

tim mccarver: "it's a five-letter word: s-t-r-i-k"

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 October 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

1 down

thermal cam is dumber then tbs announcers

very public (bnw), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)

McCarver just turned 70 -- time for his neurologist to talk to him about retiring.

Martyr McFly (WmC), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago)

Way to go, blue.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

ok, splain: bad strike zone?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 06:03 (thirteen years ago)

oh OK

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/19/2501986/world-series-game-1-beltre-foot-video/in/2265013

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago)

a 3-2 game, probably the lowest scoring game in this series.

Bee OK, Thursday, 20 October 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago)

you can't predict baseball

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2011 11:25 (thirteen years ago)

ppl are killing wash too much for the ogando vs allen craig outcome. i thought that was just a relatively bad pitch by ogando. throw him another pitch up and he prob strikes out

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago)

Are ppl offering superior strategies? What are they?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago)

i guess make nick punto beat you, for one

johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago)

OH, right -- forgot about that.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago)

well rating are a little down this year, so far:

The Cardinals' 3-2 win Wednesday night on Fox earned an 8.7 rating and 14 share. That was down 2 percent from the 8.9/15 for Game 1 in 2010 between the Rangers and the Giants, with San Francisco a bigger market than St. Louis.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/10/20/sports/s162139D03.DTL#ixzz1bNBRFQwW

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

Rangers in 4

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 21 October 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago)

^most frontrunnerism to date

Tonight I moved the antenna over to the window, and the only network fare I can get is Charlie's Angels in b&w with no sound.

ESPN Radio has their usual Sunday TV crew on if you'd like to avoid Stupid BuckCarver Tricks.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago)

beautiful dp

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

a 3-2 game, probably the lowest scoring game in this series.

― Bee OK, Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:25 AM

hmmmmmmmmm

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago)

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/50-MILLION-ELVIS-FANS.gif

mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago)

the over/under for this game was 8.. unders lookin real good.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago)

even if it was for hits.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago)

why does TLR have batting gloves on? did he roster himself?

sanskrit, Friday, 21 October 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago)

it's his personal 80th birthday tribute to Mickey Mantle.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago)

(I don't think MM ever wore em)

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago)

bingo bango bongo
I just wanna hit Ogando
oh-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago)

sup torty

very public (bnw), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago)

ogandowned

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago)

Steven Goldman: Trade Craig while he's hot.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago)

^^^true!

mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago)

i have no idea where this pitching came from. good game.

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago)

also true:

Sam Tydings: If your best RHH options off the bench are Yorvit and Esteban German...that's not optimal

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago)

oh man, so close

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

needed to be played in a dome

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago)

bunting stinks here

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

yeah he got in there

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

idk i think there's totally an argument for bunting elvis andrus here to put kinsler in SF position

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

Incredible throw.

timellison, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

andrus shouldn't be batting second, but if he is, he should be bunting here

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

tie game, don't think he should have replaced his closer

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago)

I meant that w/ Kinsler on first, they shdnt bunt

(radio online is apparently 90 secs behind)

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

Rangers played this inning right

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

sitting NLCS mvp also not paying off

very public (bnw), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

that extra base made all the difference for the lead

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

OK, how is Wash gonna blow this now?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago)

he shouldn't have taken motte out but if the cardinals win i think the lesson here is that you can't score one run and beat the rangers

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

er, if the rangers win

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

or if the cardinals win, i guess

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

i think the lesson here is that you can't score one run and beat the rangers

unless they are playing last years Giants

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

well that's not really true, the Giants did score a bunch of runs

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago)

Hershiser not fond of Punto's bunting skills there, bailing out Feliz

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago)

go rangers!

call all destroyer, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

i really, really like the rangers

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

i dunno how you bunt a 100 mph fastball

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago)

that was a major win for these Rangers. coming back to score two in the ninth was impressive.

Bee OK, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

cad & J0rdan to marry into the Bush clan

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)

ok billarussa

mookieproof, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

Colin Wyers: So this series is pretty much devoted to two managers not knowing enough about Nick Punto's abilities as a hitter.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

cad & J0rdan to marry into the Bush clan

― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah seriously the alternative is at least as disgusting

call all destroyer, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, I don't disagree, j/k. Plus I know as NFL fans you are used to rooting for teams closely identified with cretins.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

Re punto - espn broadcasters said Wilson walked him on his own and washington was pissed.

Solid baseball being played in this series...

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

i'm glad that TLR's dumb bellpen managing finally cost him a game, and yes that's 100% sour grapes

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago)

it didn't really cost them the game -- motte was going to give up at least one run

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago)

they lost the game cuz their top seven hitters went 3-25

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

that too

lets just say that was not a fun game to watch, maybe the only time when Joe Buck's excitement level seemed appropriate

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

Big props to Andrus for taking second on that play, ahead of another bullseye throw by Molina. That was dynamite.

timellison, Friday, 21 October 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago)

Gotta play to win on the road..

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 October 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago)

jonmorosi Jon Morosi
You know, it would have been really nice of Albert Pujols to stick around and discuss that play with the media. He didn't. #STLCards

AmyKNelson Amy K. Nelson
David Freese, last guy left in clubhouse, answering questions for his four teammates who chose not to.

JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Pujols, Molina, Holliday, Berkman disappeared tonight on field and in clubhouse. All left before talking.

AmyKNelson Amy K. Nelson
looks like pujols, berkman, Molina and Holliday all left without speaking to media tonight. meanwhile, motte is STILL answering ?s...

Fuck these guys. I am trading them off of my team in MLB 2K11 as soon as I get home.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 21 October 2011 05:34 (thirteen years ago)

FOR DAVID ECKSTEIN

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 21 October 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago)

Holy...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Weak-Albert-Pujols-leaves-without-a-word-after

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 21 October 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago)

hell hath no fury like a sports writer spurned

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 October 2011 07:21 (thirteen years ago)

I'm sure the quotes wd've been groundbreaking

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 11:11 (thirteen years ago)

"We won one, now they've won one. We're all tied up. It's anybody's Series."

clemenza, Friday, 21 October 2011 11:57 (thirteen years ago)

you forgot "They're a great team. But, we're a great team too"

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago)

More comedy:

jonmorosi Jon Morosi
How will #STLCards respond to Game 2 loss? Hard to say. Albert Pujols dodged the media afterward. My column: http://on-msn.com/pG4JwI @MLBONFOX

JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Leadership is a difficult thing to quantify. I do know this: Albert Pujols failed miserably at it after Game 2. Column: http://yhoo.it/oQ1EDa

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 21 October 2011 12:36 (thirteen years ago)

way to fail miserably at leading after the game, albert

johnny crunch, Friday, 21 October 2011 12:39 (thirteen years ago)

You didn't tell a Yahoo! writer that you or your team will be ready for game three. What to think now? We have a whole day off to wonder about it.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 21 October 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago)

We are all beat writers.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago)

They are the 99%.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago)

well you have to pull for this guy here:
http://deadspin.com/5851837/the-man-who-bet-the-cardinals-at-9991-when-they-were-out-of-the-race-is-looking-smart-and-rich-right-now

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago)

Steven Goldman defends yanking Motte:

Motte came to the majors in September of 2008. He has all the stuff in the world. The incumbent closer in that time was Ryan Franklin, who wasn’t exactly Mariano Rivera even before he pitched his way out of the majors back in June. Any manager with a pulse would think about letting Motte close given those conditions, and yet Motte has exactly 12 regular-season saves. Either we have to accept that LaRussa is a complete idiot and is blind to Motte’s capabilities, or we have to at least allow for the possibility that LaRussa has reasons for believing that Motte should not be his day-in day-out closer.

If after the game you caught the postgame show on the MLB network, you saw Mitch Williams arguing that LaRussa had now irreparably shattered Motte’s confidence for the rest of the postseason. Williams has certainly been in the position to know, but even if he is correct as to the condition of Motte’s psyche, what would he have had LaRussa do if he believed that keeping Motte in the game would lead to a loss? Chalk up a World Series game to experience because it might hurt someone’s feelings? If Motte stayed in to fall apart as he did against the Mets, or even simply allowed the tying and the winning runs to score via his own inability to execute, would that not damage his confidence as well?

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15344

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 October 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

i dont understand the argument here. if Motte was good enough to close Game 2, he would have more saves by now? the point is with 2nd and 3rd w/ no outs and a 1 run lead what you DESPERATELY need is two strikeouts. any ball in play is likely to score the runner. I don't buy the confidence thing, I'd think if you're a reliever playing for TLR you kinda know you're gonna get yanked around.

frogbs, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago)

motte should've stayed in, but the game still would've been tied at best, so i don't get all the hand-wringing over the move. at that point they had already lost the lead, and w/ no outs and runners on second and third, there was prob something like a 65% chance that both runs were going to score regardless.

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

at that point they had already lost the lead

i meant to say that at that point they most likely would've lost the lead regardless

J0rdan S., Friday, 21 October 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

i hate days off

Bee OK, Saturday, 22 October 2011 05:11 (thirteen years ago)

Berkman DHing, Craig hits 2d in RF, Theriot at 2b

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago)

Josh Hamilton has now gone 65 at-bats without a home run. He's only had one other homerless streak of 50 at-bats in his career (in 2010).

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago)

yay, ILX's dell pointed me to a WS feed!

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 October 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago)

welcome to 2009!!

J0rdan S., Saturday, 22 October 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago)

wha???!
where?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

well that was fast

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

CRAIGNESS

timellison, Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago)

freaky

It's ESPNAmerica I'm watching (Sutcliffe alas)

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago)

sutcliffe & thorn were really good for game 7 of the nlcs. way better than tbs' crew.

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:14 (thirteen years ago)

also, eff yer little websavvy '2009' generation

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago)

boo - don't think i can stream in Canukistan :(

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
Lohse has all but stopped throwing his slider. Something to watch...

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

TT, it's chanfeed.com

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

oooOOOOOOOoohhhh! thanks!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

obv 1-0 is gonna stand up after 5 and 3 total runs in first 2 games...

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

I didn't realize Napoli had played so much 1B the last 2 years.

Cohen/Sutcliffe's appreciation for catcher "pitch framing" -- very moist-eyed in Sut's case -- amp up my longing for robot umps.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago)

lohse is balking on that move to first

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago)

BRING ON THE ROBOTS

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago)

wow that was a terrible call

1st base ump having a bad 20 minutes

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:13 (thirteen years ago)

lol berkman is slow, i could have run backwards and scored from first on that

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago)

that was a huge call, looks like i might finally get my high scoring game tonight.

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:19 (thirteen years ago)

wow

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago)

'06 flashback

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago)

dejected ryan/bush sighting!

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

i guess playing him at first tonight was a mistake

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago)

Interesting inning here.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

harrison running in front of napoli as he was about to throw probably caused the errant throw

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago)

Cohen making same point on 1B defense, wd like to have heard it pregame tho.

TEX fielding like Brewers now.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago)

wow great play!

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

that was a long time btwn 2nd outs.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

was he safe?

it kind of look like he was safe there

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

oh hey by the way guys I worked on that Stand Up To Cancer Ad

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago)

xp the play at home? no he was clearly out, torrealba blocked the plate well

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago)

http://twitpic.com/74d9hg

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

i thought he got his foot in under the tag, whatever the Cards scored four runs that inning

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago)

No 'shutdown' inning

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:34 (thirteen years ago)

nice work Jimmy!

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:35 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz has been amazing this post season

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago)

uhhhh

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago)

fucking cruz

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:37 (thirteen years ago)

btw I did read an Olney pregame tweet that by the way the flags were flapping, players were saying there'd be a 'jetstream' to right center.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago)

have no idea how to look something like this up, but i feel like losche has been doing this all year - pitching well, getting a comfortable lead, then blowing it all in one inning and getting pulled in the early 5th inning by TLR

Captain of the S.S. NoFun (Z S), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago)

still no outs, here we go (to steal from Bud-light)

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago)

http://cdn.jockpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/lohse-larussa.jpg

Captain of the S.S. NoFun (Z S), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago)

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/4789/kyle-lohse

dunno, only 7 games where he went 5 innings or less, but all from June 10 thru August.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago)

Sutcliffe saying no way Lohse wd start a Game 7

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago)

oh my christ

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago)

Pretty bad day for Napoli.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago)

great throw

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago)

you don't send napoli there jesus

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago)

beast of a throw!

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago)

i thought i wanted the Rangers to win but when they keep showing the Bush's i keep changing my mind. so i was cheering when they threw him out at home.

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago)

^^ lol I tweeted that too

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
So score should be 11-8 now? #confused
RT @gbib21: @Kevin_Goldstein
Napoli would've beaten throw if not still upset over Kulpas call

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago)

god mccarver is annoying

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, this could end 13-11

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago)

EPIC FOOTBALL COMING UP IN SIX WEEKS, GUYS. SIT TIGHT.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago)

lol

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 01:58 (thirteen years ago)

really I dont listen to those fux when there are other options

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

whoa dang

which I could watch this on tv, but i just moved into a new place and no tv until next week, and my internet connection is slow and sketchy because i'm ganking it off some unsecured wi-fi across the street

Captain of the S.S. NoFun (Z S), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

WISH

drinking herbsaint over here, sorry

Captain of the S.S. NoFun (Z S), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago)

with glasses and beard, cards 1b coach dave mckay looks uncannily like david paymer.

congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago)

u gotta get in front of that freese!

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Ow1nlafOg

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago)

trivia: Cards 3b coach Jose Oquendo was the first MLB player younger than me.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago)

so is Hamilton hernia an open secret to all?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago)

He has told reporters that he thinks he has one.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago)

must be killing TLR that he can't bring in a new reliever for each batter

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago)

that just said that these last two inning was 1:22 with five pitchers used

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

13 runs and 15 hits

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

REVENGE OF OGANDO

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago)

it feels like Ogando and Craig have faced each other more than Clemens and Ripken did

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

aiiieee

Martyr McFly (WmC), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

WOW, what a shot Albert

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

woops

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

Can three Cardinals relievers respond with a shutdown inning?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

hooooly lord in heaven

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

Gary Cohen call of Pujols bomb: "He WILL meet with the press tonight!"

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

I'm digging the Elvis Andrus beard tribute to Mos Def.

sanskrit, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

that was a shoulder-high fastball! what in gods name how do you do that

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago)

think it just landed

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago)

they just said 432 feet

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

I'm digging Kinsler whenever he takes his cap off *ws*

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

reminiscent of that shot he hit in houston in '05 to keep the astros from clinching

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

you mean the HR he killed brad lidge with?

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago)

the very same

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago)

Wash shd bring in Charlie Hough

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago)

Ogando retired 1 of 7

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:56 (thirteen years ago)

lol berkman

mookieproof, Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

Dying

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

wha happen

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

Comical slide into third w/ no throw.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

i hate Joe Bucks sighs and he wonders why so many hate listening to him

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago)

then he says "what a game, action all over the place"

so why act so board about 30 seconds ago.

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago)

what the fuck is this dudes pitching motion

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago)

a man among boys

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

where's shasta at anyway? need that albert's real age update ;)

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago)

can i have him on my team?

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

pujols is a v good hitter fyi

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

It's now up to the Rangers to make this game match the '93 Jays-Philths 15-14 "gem."

What's increased more the last 4 innings, the Cards' Series victory pct or Albert's payday?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

lol if this dude wasn't wearing a military uniform that rendition of "god bless america" would have probably been a little too cute for this texas crowd

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago)

srsly, that '93 WS monster might be the worst-played game I've ever watched.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago)

lolling:

"Note first the intended location. Now note the actual location. Ogando was trying to throw Pujols a fastball down and away, but instead he threw him a fastball up and in, and Pujols obliterated the mistake. Albert Pujols can't stand mistakes. Albert Pujols is a perfectionist, not just with himself but also with others, and whenever Albert Pujols sees anybody make a mistake, he takes it upon himself to teach a lesson."

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago)

Heyman? Bill Simmons?

I guess theyre gonna lock up this wiffleball tosser w/ Kulpa

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
Pujols refusing to talk to the media tonight would be super awesome.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago)

i'm glad they kicked out that kid

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago)

well, the Chanfeed just went down, I need a new one for tomw night

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago)

man, someone's overpaying for his declining years.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

three

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

Babe Ruth, Reggie Jackson and Albert Pujols.

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

As .299 hitters go, he shows promise.

(You catch the third WS home run off Pujols' bat and you throw it back. There is no word for such colossal stupidity.)

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

lol someone threw it back? wow

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago)

it's Texas

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago)

good point

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe it bounced back off the facing or something, but there was a shot of the ball rolling on the grass.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago)

Babe Ruth X 2

many xpost ago

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago)

"Albert Pujols 14 total bases is a World Series record."

very public (bnw), Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

five hits with three home runs. is he going to see another pitch?

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago)

237 is my favorite number

Bee OK, Sunday, 23 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

Was not very popular at the bar cheering for all of Prince Albert's HRs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 23 October 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago)

LaRussa on pitching changes in the American League versus National League: "There's an assumption that somehow pitching (changes) in the National League are tougher. It's not; it's easier. ... The reason it's tougher in the American League is every decision that you make about the pitcher is based on your evaluation of who should pitch, how long the in there should pitch and who you should bring in. There are times, a lot of times, it's a really close call. You're splitting hairs. In the National League just enough times to make a difference ... a spot comes up and you've got to (pinch) hit, and you don't have to make that decision. You never have that decision taken away from you in the American League."

Amen.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 10:58 (thirteen years ago)

five hits with three home runs. is he going to see another pitch?

it's Ron Washington

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago)

James had an Abstract piece once that tried to show there was much more strategizing in the AL--if strategy implies clear variance in how different managers handle the same situation--when it came to pitching changes. In the AL, there was a range of strategy; in the NL, managers were very predictable in their moves.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 13:40 (thirteen years ago)

Verducci: "Lincoln at Gettysburg. Hendrix at Woodstock. Pujols at Arlington."

I can't even think of a word that rhymes.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago)

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/22/2507672/this-is-ron-washington-gif/in/2271123

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 14:10 (thirteen years ago)

JoePo rants on POSTSEASON records:

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/10/postseason-record.html

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago)

that quote of mine was from SB nation live blog

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago)

Pujols is hitting like Nelson Cruz, wtf!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago)

Also... I had no idea that Darren Oliver was still alive!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago)

yup. and still quiet serviceable.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 23 October 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago)

Albert Pujols went 5-for-6 last night with 3 homers and 6 RBI. Not bad for a guy who some thought was washed up.

It was a great game, no doubt, but because the Cardinals already had a big lead when he did much of his heavy hitting, it wasn't worth all that much in terms of WPA.

His value of .211 for the game is quite low. Here are all the 3-HR regular season games from 2011:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/15972

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago)

i'd assume in terms of absolute value it would have to be one of the 5 best postseason games by anyone?

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago)

Andy: please tell me you posted that link for laughs. I mean, the game was 8-6 at one point...I'm not sure what Pujols is supposed to do--go for singles because home runs at that point are superfluous? (I guess I'd better check to see if you're the same Andy as Baseball Reference's Andy. If so, I usually like the blog fine and have linked to it a few times here.)

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago)

Of course Pujols is supposed to hit the ball as hard as he possibly can, but it doesn't change the fact that hitting a home run with his team leading 15-7 in the ninth hardly did anything to improve his team's chances of winning the game (which is what WPA measures). It doesn't mean his third HR wasn't awesome.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago)

I just think it's bizarre (to put it as benignly as I can) to even think in those terms. "Last night Albert Pujols did something that only Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson ever did, and other things that no one's ever done--we should point out, though, that his Win Probability Added was very poor." (I also see irony in the fact that hardcore sabermetrics will value a stat that measures something Pujols has absolutely no control over--his team piling up the score--but reverse that argument when it comes to MVP voting.)

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago)

*wet fart*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago)

You'll have to translate that into human-like language for me.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago)

I just think it's bizarre (to put it as benignly as I can) to even think in those terms. "Last night Albert Pujols did something that only Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson ever did, and other things that no one's ever done--we should point out, though, that his Win Probability Added was very poor." (I also see irony in the fact that hardcore sabermetrics will value a stat that measures something Pujols has absolutely no control over--his team piling up the score--but reverse that argument when it comes to MVP voting.)

― clemenza, Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:59 PM (38 minutes ago)

ha yeah i agree, and the irony of you railing against it isn't lost on me either! it seems like a bullshit clutch stat

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

i'm not familiar with the stat - it's a single-game only stat? for what it is, it's probably useful: this one time this one guy hit really well when his team needed him to

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

well, it's a single game stat in the same way that any baseball stat is a single game stat. but just like home runs or walks, WPA gets added up as the season goes on

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago)

it's pretty easy to understand the value of the stat & also it's pretty easy to understand the point of the blog post (tho it is a bit of a cunty blog post) but w/e

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago)

I don't know, I think it serves it's purpose as a stat that combines what a hitter did with the situation in which he did it. But WPA != "value" as we'd normally define it, and that's fine, it is what it is. Obviously there's a lot of luck involved with the situation that happens to present itself when someone comes to bat.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

(Different Andy here.)

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

It's kind of like when a team wins 10-0 one day and loses 2-1 the next, and people say something like "they should have saved some of those runs for the second game", nobody means that they literally should have stopped trying to score once the it was 4-0 or whatever in the first game, but it's true that most of the runs in the 10-0 game were gravy. Obviously in the long run you're better off winning a lot of 10-0 games.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 23 October 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago)

I've been following the thread, and after a few comments, most of which amount to the same thing I'm saying--"And your point is?"--Andy, the original poster, comes back with this: "Of course Pujols' performance was amazing, as I said, but from a purely stats-perspective, it WOULD have been better if he had struck out earlier in the game. As David says in #2, it's a shortcoming of the stats in this case." I'm not quite sure what that means--better if Pujols trades his groundout for a strikeout, or if he trades one of his singles for a strikeout?--but, conceding that I'm sure the stat has its uses, this is one instance where, to my mind, it's almost laughably irrelevant. It's like pointing out that Salma Hayek can't play backgammon very well.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago)

I think it's possible to be awestruck by the performance and grant that the Cards still would have won if he hadn't hit #2 and #3.

because the Cardinals already had a big lead when he did much of his heavy hitting, it wasn't worth all that much in terms of WPA.

I don't have a problem with the way this is written, since he also said "it was a great game" by A.P. Just the facts, ma'am...

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 21:42 (thirteen years ago)

Napoli catching, Moreland at first

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/23/2508770/game-4-rangers-lineup

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 October 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago)

Sorry to hammer away at this, but let me turn that on its head: to say you were awestruck by Pujols' performance is not to imply you're under the belief that the victory hinged on home runs #2 and #3. We need statistical proof of something that anybody who watched the game already knows? Enjoy the moment, Andy.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago)

clemenza, everything w/ you has to be so either/or

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago)

like, it's entire possible, and in fact every easy, to enjoy albert pujols hitting mammoth home runs in the world series while still recognizing that the latter two were garbage time homers that didn't change the outcome of the game!

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago)

How 'bout we eliminate the phrase "garbage time"--if your point is that "the latter two were homers that didn't change the outcome of the game," my response would be "Tell me something else I don't know (and didn't need complicated math to make me realize I knew it)." And you might wander over to the thread, where you'll find about two dozen similarly benighted fans also stuck in that either/or wasteland.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 October 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago)

we have stats that confirm for us a lot of things that we already know!

J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 October 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago)

Anyway...Washington just gave his starting pitcher a Paul Sorvino slap from Goodfellas.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago)

One last kick at the can, and I promise I won't say another word. Somebody just posted this, summing up my feelings exactly (I alluded to something similar earlier):

"It is interesting, actually, to see someone who professes to appreciate the game from a sabermetric point of view to cling so desperately to an entirely context-dependent statistic to form an argument. Every other time we read one of these sabermetric articles they tell us that context-driven statistics are deeply flawed as a way of measuring players. They tell us that we shouldn't assume the 20-game winning pitcher is the best, because that's driven in large part by how good his team is; they tell us that Ryan Howard shouldn't have won that MVP because the eight billion RBI he had were driven largely by how many of his teammates reached base ahead of him; they tell us that we shouldn't assume that the guy with the fewest errors is the best fielder because he might have the range of a tree stump and thus never has the chance to commit errors on the balls that are flying by them. But now when we ask ourselves who had the best night for a hitter in World Series history, the guy that Baseball Reference is paying (is he getting paid?) to write its blog tells us that the only way to determine who had the best hitting night in World Series history is determined not by what the hitter actually did, but by what the game situation was when he did it."

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago)

his homers didn't change the outcome of the game ultimately, but they still had the potential to change the outcome of the game when he hit them.

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 24 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

right, but they didn't

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago)

clemenza that post you excerpted is remarkably dumb

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago)

We can all agree that this clown on the mound needs to shave his upper lip, right?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Monday, 24 October 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago)

Not another word, unless Jordan makes one of his typically I-won't-explain-I'll-just-assert posts. Maybe you'll spell out exactly what the guy has wrong?

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)

so the hp ump was at 1st yesterday, right? he is terrible

very public (bnw), Monday, 24 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

Jon Paul Morose has just reminded his followers that the Cardinals' catcher is not a fast runner.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Monday, 24 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

Wonder how many of those over-.500-slugging teams in their home park are from Colorado. At least half, I'd guess.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 00:47 (thirteen years ago)

How 'bout we eliminate the phrase "garbage time"

then how wd Yankeefans talk about A-Rod?

they tell us that Ryan Howard shouldn't have won that MVP because the eight billion RBI he had were driven largely by how many of his teammates reached base ahead of him

bcz that's the truth. This guy should eat it.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago)

first of all, i took the BR post less as an argument about the quality of pujols' night than an attempt to put the importance of his homers in context. the point being made was "pujols night was great, but it didn't actually have that much impact on the game", and you yourself agree, as you noted when you said "tell me something i don't already know". the post, to me, used pujols three homer night as a chance to make ppl aware of which three homer games (from the post season or this season) were worth the most, according to WPA. if you don't like the stat then fine, but i'm not sure how putting his ABs into a context is some affront to his accomplishments. pujols had by far the most WPA of the game last night, but again, that wasn't the point of the post.

secondly, re the idea of "context-driven stats", it's not necessarily that context driven stats are bad, but that RBI and wins are really bad attempts at measuring a player's worth in context. now, the reason that you see ppl rated by WAR and wRC+ and xFIP and the like is bcuz of the belief that non-context driven stats are more indicative of a player's true value, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an interest in measuring how every player affects every game. RBI and pitcher wins do not tell you that, though.

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago)

shouldn't Hamilton be hitting 7th if he plays at all?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago)

You're assuming the guy disagrees with you, Morbius; the point of his post is the irony in all of a sudden using context when it suits your purposes.

i'm not sure how putting his ABs into a context is some affront to his accomplishments

But it is the foundation of his argument that (right from the thread) "It was NOT the greatest World Series performance in history. Not even close. That said, it was awesome and amazing." So, yes, Andy concedes the obvious. But he uses context to argue something that, absent context, seems kind of silly: the idea that 5 hits, three homers (one of them prodigious), and 6 RBI was not the greatest World Series performance ever by a hitter.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago)

and/or DHing?

mookieproof, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe you'll spell out exactly what the guy has wrong?

― clemenza, Monday, October 24, 2011 2:38 AM (17 minutes ago)

It's this:

the only way to determine who had the best hitting night in World Series history is determined not by what the hitter actually did, but by what the game situation was when he did it

It's not the only way, in fact it's not even *a* way to determine who had the best night in WS history, because WPA doesn't measure "value".

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago)

context matters more in a SINGLE GAME, what's hard to grasp about that? Or even in 7 games.

That's why Buddy Biancalana is a Series legend.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago)

But he uses context to argue something that, absent context, seems kind of silly: the idea that 5 hits, three homers (one of them prodigious), and 6 RBI was not the greatest World Series performance ever by a hitter.

― clemenza, Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

okay, except he never says any of this

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago)

he doesn't even compare pujols' performance last night to anything from any past world series

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago)

btw this graphic indicates that Pujols contributed the most to the win... except maybe for the goatism of Kinsler, Ogando, and Harrison.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/23/2507862/game-3-in-graphic-detail

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:09 (thirteen years ago)

in fact it's not even *a* way to determine who had the best night in WS history, because WPA doesn't measure "value"

The mistake is Andy's, then, not the poster's--because, as you can see from the quote I pulled above, using WPA to determine who had the best night in WS history is exactly what Andy does: "It was NOT the greatest World Series performance in history. Not even close." That doesn't seem very ambiguous.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago)

right, and that's the other thing that's wrong with that post clemenza excerpted. WPA also takes into account the performances of every one of your opponents, which RBI and wins and whatever else don't tell us about.

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago)

i have no idea which Andy you're talking about now

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago)

Same Andy who writes the blog--if you scroll down to comment #28, you can find the quote.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

Did McCarver just call Zooey D a subtle actress?

Martyr McFly (WmC), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

is there a name for the grassy knoll beyond CF?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago)

like, it's entire possible, and in fact every easy, to enjoy albert pujols hitting mammoth home runs in the world series while still recognizing that the latter two were garbage time homers that didn't change the outcome of the game!

― J0rdan S., Sunday, October 23, 2011 7:31 PM (1 hour ago)

yeah this is otm, and this is apparently what the stat is meant to reflect. i think everyone can agree on this, and probably most of us would also agree that there are much better metrics available to assess actual situation-independent value. i mean we're talking about one game - hard to find a smaller sample size than that

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

Same Andy who writes the blog--if you scroll down to comment #28, you can find the quote.

― clemenza, Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:14 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah i see it now. well it becomes a pretty semantic argument. he probably should be using a word like "important" instead of "great" or w/e.

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago)

btw I missed the 1st inning. How in hell did Hamilton hit a double to deep right in his condition?

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago)

apparently they threw him something other than a fastball

J0rdan S., Monday, 24 October 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe comment #37 can close the book on this: "Albert Pujols had the worst game ever by a player who had the best game in World Series history." Go, Rangers.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago)

So we're back to a pitching series, eh

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

liked the shot of Torre yawning

very public (bnw), Monday, 24 October 2011 01:33 (thirteen years ago)

can anyone tell me if that home run was important?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago)

sure can't tell who's winning by looking at Nolie & Prez Fuckface

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago)

Holland pitches with the power of a 14-Year-Old's Mustache

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago)

you just kinda knew she was gonna go for the high note there huh :/

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 24 October 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago)

wish wash had given holland the game ball there

mookieproof, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago)

mmm, didnt wanna do a 2002 Dusty Baker

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago)

exactly

mookieproof, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago)

"feliz is spanish for happy"

mookieproof, Monday, 24 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)

can anyone tell me if that home run was important?

You make me like Johnny Mac, Thermo.

clemenza, Monday, 24 October 2011 10:09 (thirteen years ago)

:)

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 October 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago)

best two out of three, guess you can't ask for anything more

Bee OK, Monday, 24 October 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago)

best 15 out of 28?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago)

erm... 29. fuck.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago)

that was a piss poor inning for the Rangers

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

PUNTO POWER

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011-October-24-20-42-36.jpg

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

YES

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago)

WE HAVE A BASEBALL GAME HERE, FOLKS.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago)

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Derek Holland gets it: He's having fun, and doesn't mind letting people know he's having fun working in his dream job.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago)

i love that XX song

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago)

well Moreland just made up for his error

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago)

i thought Tony Larussa lifted his pitcher but we are in the American League tonight...

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:36 (thirteen years ago)

La Genius

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago)

i liking this Texas crowd, they are into it. i thought Texas didn't care about anything but football so it's good to see.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago)

time to bust this open

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

the Cards are going to get burned leaving all these running on and not cashing in

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

Nick Punto is human.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

from his knees

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, he reached for that one. Good hitting.

timellison, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago)

go grab my beltre

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago)

the Cards are going to get burned leaving all these running on and not cashing in

― Bee OK, Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:06 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

Well, that didn't take long.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:15 (thirteen years ago)

if napoli crushes one this stadium is going to collapse

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:17 (thirteen years ago)

oh man

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

i like Napoli, have no idea why the Angles would get rid of him

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

that pitch was on a fucking platter

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago)

c'mon pitch to Albert once this game texas

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago)

well there was that one game where he hit three homers

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago)

burn

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago)

why on earth would craig be running

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

that must've been a hit and run

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

it seems like the Cards are trying to lose this game, if he steals that than they walk Pujols

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

and ogando threw an unintentional 95 mph pitch out

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

hit and run with Pujols batting? why???

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago)

yeah it must have been a hit and run but that was a stupid play

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago)

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
good move to walk pujols with 1-1 count and nobody on base. craig trying to steal made no sense. wash outwitting TLR

joe_sheehan Joe Sheehan
Intentionally walking the winning run with the bases empty and a 1-1 count. Ron Washington is just trolling me now.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

hit and run with Pujols batting? why???

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, October 24, 2011 10:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

welcome to the wild world of tony la russa!

but there's no way that was a straight steal

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago)

pujols is such a vision while running

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

oh, he would have been safe

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

wow, good fucking game

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago)

ogando's gonna walk freese isn't he

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago)

does ron washington think that intentional walks enter him into some sort of lottery?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago)

lol

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

all they need is a base hit, c'mon

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

Pujols was lucky to not get caught in a rundown there. Either that or it was a brilliant bit of baserunning to draw a throw home and let the runner advance to second.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

pujols is incredibly aggressive, i'm pretty sure he was thinking about scoring

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

he did it all himself, didn't even look at his third base coach

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

He was getting waved in all the way but slowed down and missed his chance because he kept looking behind him instead of at the third base coach. I think he messed up and got a bit lucky when the runner advanced.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

RISPUKE

he was drawing a throw. he always does that.

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

he would have been out by 30 feet

that chick really went in on "god bless america"

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

that inning was a IW, single, walk, IW and no one scored

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, Albert would have been out under normal circumstances but that ball was up the third base line. wish he would have gone but it would have been the wrong play.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

third first base line

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

so they have been talking on TV, so i guess Tony La Russa didn't put on a hit and run in the last inning

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

you pinch hit to bunt

you let nick punto swing

kill me

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

sorry doggie, ur rolling w/ larussa

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

great stretch at first there, he was out by 1.5 strides instead of 2

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

hey, at least he caught it

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

we are going extras tonight

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago)

walk him

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago)

if beltre bunts here...

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

at least beltre's not bunting

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

wrong team

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

well, i figured to set up the double play but that will work

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

you have to walk cruz here right

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, right play

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago)

totally saw that wild intentional walk pitch coming

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago)

what's next

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

napoli is up in every big sitch huh

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

waiting to lose all night long

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago)

you just knew that was going to happen

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

just LOLLLLLLZ

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

I thought you said it was going to be extra innings.
xpost

Martyr McFly (WmC), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

lol holland is so awkward

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)

wait, ron washington pinch ran for a guy on third??????

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

if he did major lol

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago)

You could feel that coming after they blew the chance at the DP with Murphy's grounder.

Washington still insists on batting Napoli eighth but somehow falls ass backwards into getting him to bat with runners on in key situations.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago)

I thought you said it was going to be extra innings.

i thought so but the Cards couldn't hold them, not very surprised.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

i can care less who actually wins so this is fun

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

"Napoli 10th in the majors this year in OPS vs. lefties"

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago)

wait, ron washington pinch ran for a guy on third??????

after letting him (a lefty) bat against a lefty pitcher

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago)

i had kind of a bad day today, but at least i wasn't asked to ibb someone just to kill time for a colleague to get ready

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago)

still can't believe whats happening, the Cards are the ones who have every right to win this game

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

tlr just fucking with us at this point

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

Love the "bring in a reliever just to IBB someone" trick. And I was wondering why Motte wasn't in the game ...

6 IBB's in this game is a WS record.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago)

has he always been this mental?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:24 (thirteen years ago)

carp deserved it, the other 9 not so much

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

if you look at the positive in that mess, they only got two runs

negative you only have three outs

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago)

c'mon Cards make my night, score some runs and make this interesting v

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago)

lolan ryan

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago)

oh boy

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago)

Pitch to Albert Pitch to Albert Pitch to Albert!

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago)

ruh-roooohhhhhhh

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago)

vassily, give me a fastball

one fastball only pls

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago)

feliz means happy

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago)

holy hell

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:33 (thirteen years ago)

Should have been doing this all night tbqh. Why run at this point?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

three balls that were not strikes

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

Is it because Pujols led MLB in GIDPs?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

the Cards gave away this game, probably won't recover

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

gtfo

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

wow

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago)

this has been really strange.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:35 (thirteen years ago)

larussa managed this game pretty horribly

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

down two runs? sure, run yourself out of having the tying run at the plate

smdh tlr

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

Seriously, WTF was that hit and run?

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago)

still life, make this interesting

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago)

you want to be aggressive when a pitcher is beaning people

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago)

*immediately throws three straight balls*

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago)

just missed it

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago)

no hit and run = bases loaded 0 outs?

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago)

no happy plane ride

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:40 (thirteen years ago)

lol

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

that was a great game, might have been the best in this World Series

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

Feliz's (lack of) control is painful to watch.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

the rangers walked nine batters

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

no hit and run = bases loaded 0 outs?

yeah, tlr made some really questionable plays during this game

Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

definitely got stupid trying to force things.

but 95% of it falls on the RISP shitfest.

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

the rangers walked nine batters

― mookieproof, Monday, October 24, 2011 11:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

walkers, texas rangers

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago)

lol

I would not be surprised in the slightest if cards win next two. kind of their MO.

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago)

In 40 years when LaRussa is in the HOF and teh kids don't understand why some people said that he sometimes used to overmanage and fuck up spectacularly, we'll show them this game.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago)

1st hit and run with craig was Albert's call. TLR over-ruled but Craig missed it.
2nd was TLR but AP swung at ball 4. Doubt AP swings if not protecting the runner.
The pinch hit to bunt, and lefty Scrabble vs Napoli was inexplicably stupid.

I am going to sit in the freezing rain for game 6. they better fucking win.

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

this is my nw fav .gif

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/762200/wash_chew.gif

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

perfect for for when morbs trolls politix threds

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

Back on the bottle!

errant flynn, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

lefty Scrabble vs Napoli

Even though he'd already used Oliver?

timellison, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

Oh never mind...you're saying he could have replaced Rzepczynski.

timellison, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago)

I don't troll, JtM, I am the soothsayer.

1st hit and run with craig was Albert's call. TLR over-ruled but Craig missed it.

Hence McCarver was right when he invoked Dick Groat! One in a row.

This is whatcha get when the 3rd- and 10th-best teams in MLB square off...

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago)

According to La Russa, he called the bullpen with orders to warm up Jason Motte and Rzepczynski. La Russa might as well have made a long-distance call to China, because the message got garbled and didn't make it through. La Russa attributed the problem to the loud stadium noise.
"They heard ‘Rzepczynski' and they didn't hear ‘Motte,' and when I looked up there, Motte wasn't going," La Russa said. "(Later) I called back and said ‘Motte,' and they heard ‘Lynn.' So I went out there, wrong guy. (Lynn) is not going to pitch today. ... That's why - it must be loud. I give the fans credit."
Rzep heated up, but Motte sat.
That left Rzepczynski to face Napoli.

D:

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago)

I don't know if I should bother trying to take TLR's comments seriously but he's dishing out some really weak sauce there. He's been managing for 200 years and has never made a call to the bullpen in a noisy stadium? How do you screw up a phone call during Game 5 of the WS?

And why would they want to "open the game up" in the 9th when they already had the leadoff man on and the best hitter in baseball at the plate? How much more "open" can things get?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 09:29 (thirteen years ago)

DKnobler DKnobler
And Cardinals claim Pujols put hit and run on in 7th, then didn't swing

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 10:33 (thirteen years ago)

funny, I think the NYT ran a feature on unchanging dugout phone technology on Sunday....

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago)

should probably switch to text messaging IMO

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 12:41 (thirteen years ago)

D_Train35 Dontrelle Willis
Tony said it was loud for bullpen huh? Man i would texted him or something smh.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/vkVue.gif

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago)

loool

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 13:33 (thirteen years ago)

Isringhausen said it happened 5-6 times at Citi this year.

very public (bnw), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago)

That TLF gif cuts off before the best part -- his scowl at the end:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/762420/larussa.gif

Relive the best moments of the game with Jonah Keri:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/7545/the-top-21-moments-of-a-crazy-game-5

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 14:41 (thirteen years ago)

from fangraphs;

TLR and Washington aren’t making poor decisions, but rather managing for the wrong teams. Consider: Wash walks Albert with the bases empty because, apparently, Pujols is just that dangerous, while TLR sends runners with Pujols on because, apparently, Pujols isn’t dangerous enough. Accordingly, if the managers switched teams, the Rangers would NOT walk Albert with the bases empty, and the Cards would NOT send runners with Albert up. Problem solved.

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 15:43 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Dnj-5KGe4

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/7CVc8.jpg

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago)

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.fangraphs.com/not/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/larussa-game5-worldseries.gif

polyphonic, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:32 (thirteen years ago)

i love it

polyphonic, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago)

#worldseries

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago)

was that right after the failed Rzepczynski double-play ball?

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago)

if I recall correctly yeah, but I don't think they showed it until after Napoli's double. its way better with sound

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago)

yes, this story on bullpen phones ran Sunday, w/ LOL photo:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/sports/baseball/world-series-dugout-phones-last-bastion-of-the-landline.html

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago)

The phones have remained largely unchanged for decades, and baseball seems ambivalent about launching any other projects to advance the technology. The few issues that arise each year have not prompted baseball officials to review the matter. According Peter Woodfork, a senior vice president for operations with Major League Baseball, the only regulation is that the phones remain a single line that connects the dugout to the bullpen, with no outside calling capability.

“We’re not against them,” Woodfork said of new phones. “What we want to avoid is a situation where the communication allows one team an advantage. I think as long as it’s one line, if someone had a different device, we’d look into it.”

And as some players noted, the introduction of mobile phones could bring a new set of issues, like the dreaded “Can you hear me now?” problem.

“With a cellphone, you never know when you might lose your signal,” Lynn said. “I think for now the hard lines are just a little easier to work with.” Especially when Tony La Russa is your manager.

sigh

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago)

just disturbed some coworkers with my insane laughter at "yes, this is dog"

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago)

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltieymcAja1qaaekio1_500.png

i swear he looks younger now

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago)

hahaha holy shit

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago)

sorta looks like a zombie in a Val Lewton film there

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:19 (thirteen years ago)

it's sort of like he belongs here

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

not that it matters, but the timing of the nytime article makes the whole thing look like bullshit from TLR. Suspect the bullpen coach fucked up royally.

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/7CVc8.jpg

― frogbs, Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:46 PM (10 hours ago)

dying

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltieymcAja1qaaekio1_500.png

i swear he looks younger now

― mookieproof, Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:56 PM (4 hours ago)

WHAT THE FUCK

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

cocaine is a helluva drug

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

Couldn't stop laughing at "this is dog" yesterday ... I clicked on the thread again today and I STILL can't stop laughing at it.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:54 (thirteen years ago)

From James yesterday--interesting, but surely a little bit hyperbolic:

Not saying they will win the World Series, but...I think the Rangers are one of the best teams I’ve ever seen. Offensively, they’ve got six Grade A weapons--Napoli, Kinsler, Beltre, Hamilton, Cruz, Young--and a very large number of guys you don’t particularly want to pitch to either, like Andrus and Murphy and Moreland. They manufacture runs better than any other major league team. They have the best DP combination in the majors. Their backup catcher (Yorvit) is better than a lot of #1 catchers. They’ve got outfielders that don’t play that are good players, like Gentry and Borbon. Their defense is extremely good; their bullpen is phenomenal. Their starting pitching is underrated; even their back-of-the-rotation guys are really good pitchers.

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago)

If he loves them do much why doesn't he marry them

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago)

His dad can beat up your dad.

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago)

How does he know I don't want to pitch to Mitch Moreland?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago)

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1025/mlb_g_larussa_cr_200.jpg

Manager Tony La Russa, totally baked, stood before reporters Tuesday in St. Louis and answered questions about his Game 5 bullpen fiasco.

whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago)

According to weather.com, rain is expected to pick up Wednesday afternoon, as there is a 60 percent of showers from 3 pm local time until 6 pm, when the chances drop to 50 percent. First pitch between the St. Louis Cardinals and Texas Rangers is scheduled for 7:05 p.m. local time, at which time there is a 50 percent chance of rain. By 9 p.m., the chances drop to 30 percent.

If conditions appear unfavorable, there is a chance Major League Baseball could decide to cancel the game as early as Wednesday afternoon. InsideSTL.com reports a decision could be made by 2 p.m. ET.

The silver lining is that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports the rain tonight is expected to be light, meaning the teams might be able to play through the conditions.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago)

That's a silver lining?

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:20 (thirteen years ago)

Not for me, playing Thu/Fri* helps my schedule

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

you win -- postponed tonight

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

wau

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago)

did Beelzebud tweet this to you or have I been played like LaRussa on the phone?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 18:54 (thirteen years ago)

lies

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago)

hah -- i guess i saw something prepared early just in case

dewey defeats truman

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:10 (thirteen years ago)

wait now he right

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago)

cue analysis how break slows "momentum" rmde

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago)

@Reuters: FLASH: Wednesday's game six of World Series postponed due to inclement weather -MLB

polyphonic, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago)

wow, oh well waiting one more day is no big deal

Bee OK, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

maybe tlr will go back to carp in game seven, since he worked so well on three days' rest last time

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago)

I know, that's what I fear. OTOH Lohse is usually great for first 5 innings.

I do like putting Berkmania back into cleanup.

very public (bnw), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago)

BNightengale Bob Nightengale
#MLB #WorldSeries LaRussa says he walked out on Moneyballl but now plans to see tonigjht

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago)

u mad doggie?

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 October 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago)

Just got a MLB email blast announcing that weather has postponed Game 6. Damn, they are good.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:15 (thirteen years ago)

Was there any rain?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago)

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqgwl6Abn1qzikspo1_500.jpg

polyphonic, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago)

lil ron washington is the funniest fucking thing ever

J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago)

Cards have to be favored tnite cuz you can see the bullpen from the dugout @ Busch

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago)

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqgwl6Abn1qzikspo1_500.jpg

― polyphonic, Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:48 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lil ron washington is the funniest fucking thing ever

― J0rdan S., Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:24 PM (2 hours ago)

someone explain this to me

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

local kid was ron washington for halloween last year

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago)

someone explain this to me
photoshop of kid wearing wash costume beside wash

francisF, Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago)

reporting live from way the fuck up the 3rd base foul pole ^_^

very public (bnw), Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago)

Joe?! LOL.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago)

nice job bnw! baller!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:03 (thirteen years ago)

Uh oh.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

moral victory

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago)

only 23 pitches for that mess, not bad all things considered.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago)

first pitch swingin

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago)

FAT ELVIS

which of these teams remind you of your Phillies, Shasta?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago)

Neither tbqh

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

wow i'm trying to listen in to this with the TV in the other room, can't tell what the hell is happening by the sound of Joe Buck's voice

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago)

ahhh Berkman went deep, go Puma

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

a double play on a bunt, love it

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

tiegame

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago)

Freese fails to freeze momentum

another slugfest?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

Garcia has thrown 50 pitches through two (and has been all over the place) ... do they pinch hit for him in the bottom of the 2nd? I think so.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

finally got fed up w/fox and went to espn radio for the commentary - if i had known it was Shulman (who used to announce a ton of canadian sports on tsn) i would've done so a lot earlier! So much better so far

xp def. pinch hitting for garcia

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

Tonight, we all are TLR.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

finally got fed up w/fox and went to espn radio for the commentary - if i had known it was Shulman (who used to announce a ton of canadian sports on tsn) i would've done so a lot earlier! So much better so far

xp def. pinch hitting for garcia

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 00:49 (thirteen years ago)

except TLR

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago)

schulman orel and bobby v are so good.. or at the very least sound like vin f'n scully and john miller together compared to buck and mccarver.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago)

in tribute to not having to hear McCarver, I used his nickname for the Bard -- "Willie Shakes" -- in my review of Anonymous.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago)

What's compounding the issue of comparatively bad teams getting into the World Series for me is that the Cards get home field advantage when they get there

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago)

how does that happen in this game?

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago)

i got it, u take it

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago)

if you're both yelling it, it's CF's ball, shouldn't happen

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

of course its cash in

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

wild cards are staying, fF. Selig has made noises about "reforming" the All-Star Game, so I hope that means the homefield crap is ditched.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago)

oh what the hell

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago)

Dirtnapoli

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

owwwwww

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

at least holiday didnt take the ball off his groin like against the dodgers last time they were in the post season..

also napoli is beasting:

WS RBIs
Bobby Richardson 12 1960 WS
Mickey Mantle 11 1960 WS
Sandy Alomar 10 1997 WS
Yogi Berra 10 1956 WS
Ted Kluszewski 10 1959 WS
Mike Napoli 10 2011 WS

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

Please don't show that again.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

http://destructo.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/emot-barf.gifnapoli's anklehttp://destructo.org/journal/wp-includes/images/smilies/emot-barf.gif

Federal Titt (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

well tonight might be it, you can't make two errors in one inning and win

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago)

but if they only give up one run than its OK

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

sure you can

xp

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

Cards got lucky

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago)

THAT'S YOUR RUN, MATT HOLLIDAY.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

oh, it's Bee OK, hence the every minute = doomsday.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

Hysterics B. Oakey

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago)

NAME THE LAST WORLD SERIES TEAM TO COMMIT TWO ERRORS IN ONE INNING AND WIN, MORBS.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago)

Because clearly the Rangers want it more right now.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

oh, it's Bee OK, hence the every minute = doomsday.

lol that's so true

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

Hey, look, an error by the other team.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago)

999 times out of 1000, the underrated Michael Young makes that play.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago)

Bobby V: "Michael Young's a very good offensive player."

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago)

Is there any way to get the ESPN feed online? I don't have an affiliate within earshot here.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?s=espn

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

freese is giving it to you there, come on

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

d'oh! Thanks, francis.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:33 (thirteen years ago)

so things have evened up for errors and runs this inning

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:35 (thirteen years ago)

Holliday slide rough but legal

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago)

comparatively bad teams getting into the World Series

Cards can prove themselves a little here if the bullpen comes through?

timellison, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago)

wtf

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago)

boink on the head

zvookster, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago)

i feel like i'm watching spring training

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
At what point do we just stop thinking and say the Cards don't deserve to win for giving Nick Punto this many PAs?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago)

Goldstein otm

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:44 (thirteen years ago)

Cards can prove themselves a little here if the bullpen comes through?
Cards can prove themselves by catching a ball at this point

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago)

WHAT IS THIS SHIT

very public (bnw), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago)

texas building a picket fence on the scoreboard

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago)

Pinch hitting for Lewis and bringing in Holland would have been a great move.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

ron washington doesnt do 'great moves'

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NAPOLI-ANKLE.gif

its like hes on rollerskates

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

"DON'T LEAVE ALBERT" where?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago)

bullshit strike 3

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago)

yeap, he is right to complain

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:13 (thirteen years ago)

Amateur hour continues.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

MVP MVP

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

what a strange game

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

what is that five errors?

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

this fucking game

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago)

or is it six?

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago)

thirteen

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago)

we have action, this is fun

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago)

i see it's five but does feel like a bunch more. 13 doesn't seem that far off.

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:25 (thirteen years ago)

ogandopaws

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
If you are watching baseball for the first time, I swear these are the two teams out of 30 playing for the championship.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

YES

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago)

whaaaaaaaaaaaaa

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:30 (thirteen years ago)

washington still heavily relying on ogando to get outs is serious o_O

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

wow this game

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

that is just terrible

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

how can that happen?

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

<3 u adrian

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago)

Beltre blocked him off there -- alt angle?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago)

still unsure if he was safe or out

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

walking Punto beyond the pale

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago)

let's call it a tie and go home

Neanderthal, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago)

agree, neither team deserves to win at least this game

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago)

He looked out -- Beltre blocked him with his foot and tagged him on the back before he could reach the bag with the other hand.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago)

Jay could not wait to swing.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

Hershiser wants to know where Craig was

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

Why didn't Craig pinch hit there? Nobody left to play CF?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago)

resurrect Walter Matthau to coach these lovable losers

Neanderthal, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

I don't think I saw an angle where you could see the tag and the left hand at the same time.

timellison, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago)

Craig apparently in for Holliday.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:41 (thirteen years ago)

well Texas always seems to have the answer

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

<3 u adrian

― call all destroyer, Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

goodnite Cards

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

and there's nelson

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

rangers offense is ridic

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

hahahaha

Neanderthal, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

nice response TX

Neanderthal, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

bnw, did you catch that?

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

When you go 1-150 with RISP and have Lance Lynn on the mound in the late innings of the most important game of the year then you deserve to lose the World Series.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago)

"lance lynn"

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

I guess Tony brought Lynn in on purpose tonight

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

Carpenter has quite the neck beard.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:51 (thirteen years ago)

was octavio dotel always this large?

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

Was Jay playing Kinsler a foot from the wall?

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago)

Holland was nails! He even got his bunt down.

timellison, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Yg9kq.jpg

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

christ on a stick i hate when they talk about free agency while the series is potentially winding down

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago)

can someone explain allen craig to me?

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago)

Why didn't Craig pinch hit in the 6th again?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago)

ok maybe get holland out of there

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago)

bcz he had to go in for the injured Holliday, so they couldnt replace Jay too

xp

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago)

all right

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago)

OMG Jay gets a hit

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago)

damn, so close

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago)

i've been drinking vodka and am gonna be in trouble if this goes extras

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:38 (thirteen years ago)

lol i am with you except replace vodka w/bourbon

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago)

we'll have to meet up for the next Sox-Mets WS, then

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

:D

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

a "not easy inning" that starts w/ryan theriot

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

wow, the last time that albert pujols is gonna be on second base as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

god, pujols just farted as he rounded first base for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago)

unbelievable... pujols just made plans to meet elvis andrus for dinner in the domincan during the off season for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago)

it's hard to believe... ian kinsler and albert pujols made no small talk for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago)

and all of cardinal nation just farted with him for the last time

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago)

damn, pujols just said "craig... mang" in his head while standing on second base for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago)

damn, neftali feliz just pulled the string on allen craig while albert pujols stood on second base for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago)

feliz has the worst beard

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago)

feliz is totally in alfonseca territory here

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago)

oh no

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

holy shit

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

wow, thought he might have that

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

wow, david freese just drove in albert pujols to tie game 6 of the world series for the last time as a cardinal

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

feliz had been asking for that all series

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

cruz didn't look too good on that

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

nelson looked a little casual going after that

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

HEaya!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

speechless

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

BOOM SHAKALAKA

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

dude what the fuck was nelson cruz doing

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, he should have had that

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago)

someone make cad & me some coffee

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago)

This is like Twins-Tigers game 163 in 2009 -- really ugly baseball, but damn exciting.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago)

haha Albert was not going to miss that ball

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

and here comes the Rangers again

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago)

oh for christs sakes you are not doing this to me

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago)

Are you kidding me

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago)

i really need to go to bed

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago)

THE AMERICAN DREAM

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago)

!

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago)

this is like a real life version of popular Nintendo cartridge R.B.I. Baseball

Neanderthal, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago)

you think he takes a swig of champagne?

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:02 (thirteen years ago)

btw if he was healthy that's at least 15 rows deep

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:03 (thirteen years ago)

yep, hamilton's going off the wagon tonight

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

so who pitches? oliver and some guys?

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

co-MVPs: Napoli & Josh's hernia

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

LEAVE NEFTALI IN

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

this game has been so entertaining

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

I think Buck said Garcia would come back in to pinch hit for the Cards, did anyone else hear that? the fuck?

sanskrit, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

buck was saying he might because apparently he's ok at hitting? idk

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

they used all their bench players already, a pitcher will have to hit

ciderpress, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/#!/swish41/status/129769699830534145

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

wait how can garcia come back in the game

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago)

oh damn joe buck messed up

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago)

has any genius mgr ever run out of position players in a WS elimination game?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:08 (thirteen years ago)

it would rule if darren oliver of all ppl closed this out

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

<3 beltre hi-fiving the kid in the stands

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

did beltre just smack that kid on the head REAL hard

Federal Titt (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

holy ballz

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

TIME TO HIT AND RUN, TONY

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago)

oh what the hell

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago)

HERE'S JONNY

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

haha, i really don't believe this

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

nutty

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

it's literally going to start raining ham

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago)

do they bunt anyway if that was a real hitter?

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago)

omg he almost threw that away

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago)

that was crazy

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago)

elvis is getting a liiiittle shaky

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago)

this just has to come down to pujols w/ two on & two out

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, you didn't really think that Darren Oliver was going to close out the WS did you

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago)

i hoping for a tie

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

since it's a commercial can we talk about why joe buck thought jaime garcia could come back in the game to hit

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

it was really out of character for this game that the rangers didn't throw that one away

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, you didn't really think that Darren Oliver was going to close out the WS did you

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, October 28, 2011 12:14 AM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no i did not tbh :(

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

What a game! This is one "for the headz."

errant flynn, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago)

since it's a commercial can we talk about why joe buck thought jaime garcia could come back in the game to hit

― J0rdan S., Friday, October 28, 2011 12:15 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i love how then he was like "OBVIOUSLY, he pitched earlier tonight"

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago)

Joe Buck already playing NFL conference championships in his head

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago)

so, do you IBB pujols?

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago)

At least you guys weren't watching the Sutcliffe feed, where he said that Andrus' play was Jeter-esque and compared it to the flip play vs the A's.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago)

YES

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago)

yes, IBB Pujols, actually appropriate this time

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago)

yeah now you walk him, no question

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago)

Booo

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

guyz it might be his last ibb as a cardinal

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

lol this won't actually be pujols final "at-bat"

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

If Berkman hits it to the gap and the Cards win 10-9 I will lose my shit.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

battle of the beardos

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

PITCH TOO HIM YOU MORANS -cards fans

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:20 (thirteen years ago)

I wouldnt do this if I was Wash..

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

hoping

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

berkmans beard, now that is a beard

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

if berkman gets a hit, washington is gonna get slaughtered for not bringing in mike gonzalez to face berkman

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

it's like five different colors

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago)

WHAT mike gonzalez is in their pen?

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago)

lol, we've all had that thought at some point these playoffs

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago)

was just gonna ask what his strong side was, radio just answered that, isn't he way better from the left side?

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago)

in that case, bring in gonzalez?

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago)

wow

Federal Titt (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago)

insane

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago)

wow ok fuck this see you guys later

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago)

THIS IS FUCKING STUPID

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

NOOO CAD U CAN'T LEAVE US

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

what a game

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

how is berkman not even smiling

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

berkman looks calm as a killer

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

haha good night cad

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

if you try and escape, my men have been authorized to shoot

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

I'm in a feedback loop these shrooms are too good!!!111

errant flynn, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

wow

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:24 (thirteen years ago)

END IT NOW

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

allen craig does not have a beard so..

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

i made all of this happen by closing my eyes

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

lol, fun game

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

IIIIIIIIIT'S RAINING HAM, HALLELUJAH. IT'S RAINING HAM.

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago)

either that or it's just a huuuuuge coincidence

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago)

i really need 2 go 2 bed also but fuck that

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago)

This has been phenomenal. Cruel, but phenomenal.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago)

http://images.free-extras.com/pics/p/puma-715.gif

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago)

Lost in all this is that the Cards had chances to win the game (after getting the tying hits) with runners on third and two out in the 9th and 10th and had really shitty at-bats.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago)

i can't believe the Rangers were one strike away for two innings in a row and blew it both times

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago)

Texas pulling a Buckn3r?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago)

so what the fuck is going on w/ this game

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago)

this is more like 18-man tennis

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago)

THE GOOD DOCTOR IS OTM

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago)

this is what ron washington gets for trying to have arthur rhodes close out a game

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago)

Wash needs a fresh bindle

errant flynn, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago)

Scraping the bottom of the barrel for PH's now, gotta love the NL game.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago)

can we all make a pact to never forgive CAD for abandoning us

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago)

there's no way the cardinals don't win this

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago)

game will now get boring, teams put up 0s for 12 more innings now that cad left

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago)

the fuck washington? you burn feldman who go can numerous innings for some asshole who has had 1 legit at bat since mid september?

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:35 (thirteen years ago)

They should have a special fail-safe provision for games like this where Ryan and McGwire can be activated.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:36 (thirteen years ago)

we need ice cr?m to re-do that cat/jim caldwell photoshop w/ ron washington instead

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago)

Kevin_Goldstein
I can't believe some of you fuckers prefer football.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago)

CANT I LIKE BOTH

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago)

nelson cruz is done w/ this

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:38 (thirteen years ago)

ron washington is serving ham 6 ways tonight

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago)

really wish anyone was calling this but Joe Buck, this is such a great game

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago)

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago)

omg

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago)

WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago)

more like mark BLOWE

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago)

wow. i hate the Cards but that was an all-time great

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago)

what a game. what a fucking game.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

ok time to cancel my plans for tomorrow nite

ciderpress, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

can we give ron washington the loss in the box score. fucking retard.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

Baseball is pretty great

errant flynn, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

down to two strikes TWICE

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:41 (thirteen years ago)

god that pitch was right down the fucking middle

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:42 (thirteen years ago)

it looked like lord of the flies them tearin off his uni

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago)

calvin schiraldi to throw out the first pitch tomorrow

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago)

what was the pitch?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago)

WINNING PITCHER: JAKE WESTBROOK

yessssssssssss

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago)

another night of Pujols lasts for J0rd

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago)

what was the pitch?

― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, October 28, 2011 12:43 AM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark

a fastball right down the middle

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago)

Leonard-Hearns

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago)

Carp or Lohse tomorrow??

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

gameday says the pitch freese hit out was a 90mph changeup? maybe thats stringer speech for 'cookie'

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

I didn't think it was a bad pitch--low enough, anyway.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

i feel like you start lohse and have a VERY quick hook

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago)

what a game, so much fun

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago)

I didn't think it was a bad pitch--low enough, anyway.

― clemenza, Friday, October 28, 2011 12:45 AM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

whut

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago)

love that this is going seven

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago)

go nuts

zvookster, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago)

I think Carpenter, either to start or in the 5th

Sutcliffe just said Duncan wants Lohse

first Game 7 since '02!

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

well you don't wanna walk the leadoff man -- he just happened to kill it

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

also I need a NY FAP cuz I aint watching this on a laptop

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

It happened fast, I'd have to see it again--it did seem at the very bottom of the strike zone. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out why Cruz wasn't at the warning track in the 9th.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

this is easily the best ws of the 2000s... feel like all we've seen is teams getting the shit kicked out of them.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago)

It between this and 2001 for the best WS of the 2000's.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago)

a little pissed that I won't be able to see Game 7, but no way could it live up to this.

btw Cruz has got to take some shit for misjudging that fly ball so horribly

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago)

I can't believe some of you fuckers prefer football.
Dude true, nothing with a clock compares to baseball games like this

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:51 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz didn't misjudge the ball, he wasn't playing deep enough.

LaRussa's been implying that Lohse would start a Game 7, but I'm not totally buying into that. But probably the best move is to start Lohse, get three innings from him, three from Carp, and then hand it to the bullpen.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago)

jay_jaffe
that was the best worst baseball game I have ever seen

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz didn't misjudge the ball, he wasn't playing deep enough.

IOW, that's the coaches and manager's fault for somehow forgetting to play the outfield deep when you're up by two with the tying run on base.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago)

One of the ESPN guys said that too.
xpost

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago)

seriously, if Cards end up winning, that Cruz play was like a less obvious 1986

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago)

someone explain to me why everyone is like OMFG RAINOUT NOW CARPENTER CAN PITCH GAME 7 when in the division everyone was jumping down la russa's throat for throwing carpenter on three days rest

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago)

I've watched Freese's HR a few times on MLB. I think we're both right--knee-high, but yeah, right down the middle.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:57 (thirteen years ago)

so how many times did the rangers blow the lead today?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago)

jay_jaffe
that was the best worst baseball game I have ever seen

Yeah, this was better than Tigers-Twins G163 -- crazier comebacks (and more of them), and it was the WS, not a play-in game between the 6th and 7th best teams in the AL.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz didn't misjudge the ball, he wasn't playing deep enough.

he totally misjudged the ball -- he was jogging lightly

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago)

lol that fucking game. fuck the cards, but at the same time, it was delicious

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Friday, 28 October 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago)

looooooooooooool espn just aired la russa saying "oh shit" and then cut away like .00005 seconds later

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago)

Being an elimination game, I guess I can objectively give it the nod over the Jays 15-14 win in '93. (But not subjectively.)

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago)

mr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2WzkgkufyE&feature=player_embedded

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago)

someone explain to me why everyone is like OMFG RAINOUT NOW CARPENTER CAN PITCH GAME 7 when in the division everyone was jumping down la russa's throat for throwing carpenter on three days rest

Because anything can happen in Game 7? In G2 of the division series LaRussa had other options. Lohse is just the last man standing for the Cards starters, by process of elimination he's the only guy left (besides Carp on three days rest), if it wasn't for that he'd be crazy to start him.

Also in the DS they wanted Carpenter to make an actual start and pitch some innings, tomorrow they just need three or four decent innings from their starter.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago)

yeah I kinda feel this is going to be the October 27th entry for the SI fact-a-day calendar next year

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:02 (thirteen years ago)

The meaning of "Game 6" continues to evolve; '75 for me, '86 for someone else, now tonight.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:05 (thirteen years ago)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/766783/laird.gif

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 05:05 (thirteen years ago)

that cruz play is one of the worst things i've ever seen

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 05:07 (thirteen years ago)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_bIiG6mVcn-E/SsUIDIcVIGI/AAAAAAAACe8/gqgxHiTwF3M/MrFreese.png
ICE TO MEET YOU

francisF, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:07 (thirteen years ago)

Bedtime. After all that commotion over Pujols' game the other night, someone on Baseball Reference just posted that Freese's game tonight was the second highest WPA in Series history, after a 14-inning complete game by Ruth in 1572 or whenever. I love you, WPA.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:12 (thirteen years ago)

This was one crazy ass game. Freese has been a beast during the playoffs.

Cruz is going to have to live with that play forever.

I would not want to have been a Rangers fan tonight, games like this for a fan shorten your life.

earlnash, Friday, 28 October 2011 05:14 (thirteen years ago)

Bedtime. After all that commotion over Pujols' game the other night, someone on Baseball Reference just posted that Freese's game tonight was the second highest WPA in Series history, after a 14-inning complete game by Ruth in 1572 or whenever. I love you, WPA.

― clemenza, Friday, October 28, 2011 1:12 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i'm not sure how you can have much more of an effect on a game than hitting a game tying two run triple w/ 2 outs in the bottom of the ning and a game winning homer in extra innings?

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago)

Holy fucking shit. Legendary incredible.

very public (bnw), Friday, 28 October 2011 05:30 (thirteen years ago)

Gerald Laird and bnw OTM.

Harrison vs. Carpenter

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 09:03 (thirteen years ago)

Yes, Jordan, I get that, with or without WPA. That was sort of the joke.

I'm a believer in cosmic justice, so I think Texas will win tonight. On the other hand, I also believe that Rick Perry will then name either Ron Washington or Nelson Cruz as his running mate, and they'll win too.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:16 (thirteen years ago)

They could activate McGwire in place of an injured Matt Holliday, nothing would surprise me at this point.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago)

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/world-series-game-6-texas-rangers-josh-hamilton-hears-gods-voice-before-homer-loss-to-st-louis-cardinals-102711

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 11:14 (thirteen years ago)

One of the really cruel things if Texas doesn't win will be that Cruz will be remembered for the botched play more than the amazing postseason he's otherwise had (almost like Bonds in 2002).

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:24 (thirteen years ago)

there's no way the cardinals don't win this

― J0rdan S., Friday, October 28, 2011 12:34 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah,,,,,this is why i left.

but sleeping was pretty good and its something i don't do enough of

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

I'm fine w/ StL winning tonight given the Bushes, and Hamilton doing the NFL God thing.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 11:42 (thirteen years ago)

yeah yeah we've been over all that but on more of a baseball level these last couple rangers teams have been really good and deserve their place in history much more than the stupid cards

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:44 (thirteen years ago)

Last night's game made me think of an Earl Weaver quote from one of Roger Angell's books (found the quote online). He was sitting in his office after one of the Orioles' losses in the '69 Series: "You've got to throw the ball over the goddam plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." Sentimental, but apropos.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:04 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/baseball/

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 12:08 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz won't be remembered for the botched play (after seeing the replays, it was more of a botch and less of an error in positioning than I originally thought) because it still wasn't an easy catch to make. It wasn't a gimme like with Buckner.

What did Bonds screw up in '02?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:23 (thirteen years ago)

did wash ever lift cruz for a defensive replacement late in games at all this season? nellies form, routes, etc does not inspire much confidence out there from the limited amt ive seen

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:27 (thirteen years ago)

Between the injuries to Cruz, Napoli, and Hamilton, plus Young's usual suckage, the Rangers' defense could be a major handicap for them tonight.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:32 (thirteen years ago)

Gotta disagree--at the very least he'll share the blame with Washington. (I think Verducci's column on the game is a preview of how the play will be remembered.)

I don't remember the exact details, but I think it was game 6--the one where the Angels came back after being down 5-0--where Bonds let a catchable ball fall in front of him at a key moment. He'd had the most amazing postseason imaginable up to that point, but the media seemed to fixate on that one play (and Bonds's general demeanor) as being emblematic of everything that went wrong for the Giants the rest of the way.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:37 (thirteen years ago)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cruz will deserve to be remembered for that play should the Rangers lose tonight. I'm just predicting that that's what will unfortunately happen.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:43 (thirteen years ago)

"I don't remember the exact details, but I think it was game 6"

So Barry Bonds '02 is mostly remembered for a botched play which you don't actually remember (and which I can't recall myself--mostly I remember he destroyed the Angels and a quick glance and his line .471/.700/1.294 reveals my memory is correct)?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 12:49 (thirteen years ago)

No, reread. Not remembering the exact details is not the same as not remembering. But really, we should pursue this. It's very, very important.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago)

This captures the tenor of the coverage at the time:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/2002/postseason/news/2002/10/27/bonds_denied_ap/

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:00 (thirteen years ago)

Yes, they didn't win (despite Bonds playing amazing play). I remember that too. But I don't recall one play overshadowing Bonds awesome offensive accomplishments then or now and unless I am missing it that article doesn't mention it either.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 13:03 (thirteen years ago)

“I agree with the commissioner,” DeWitt said. “He’s seen a lot of games; I’ve seen a lot of games in my lifetime. I’ve never seen a game like that. I told David Freese when he finally came off the field: ‘I’ve only got one word: that was awesome.’”

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:48 (thirteen years ago)

That's three.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 13:56 (thirteen years ago)

I can't remember Bonds' supposedly huge defensive screw up either, and if none of us can remember exactly what it was then it's probably safe to say that it didn't overshadow what he did at the plate. 2002 is remembered for the Angels' 5-0 comeback in Game 6 and Bonds shaking the postseason choker label (which is what the 2002 article focuses on too).

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago)

the media seemed to fixate on that one play (and Bonds's general demeanor)

Bonds's general demeanor = unforgivable hatred of the media. Try not to pay attention to vendettas, clem.

This is the Edward D Wood Jr World Series: an insane mess you can't take your eyes off of. Sorry, I prefer quality in both realms.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago)

Did Cruz just not pick up the ball? Looked like drifting rather than loafing (saw it only once).

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago)

what is his defensive rep?

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago)

lonestarball Adam J. Morris
Alexi Ogando has faced 20 batters in the World Series, and retired 6 of them, with 7 walks and 7 hits. He's allowed a .538/.700/.769 line.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago)

Cruz said that the problem was that he didn't play deep enough, so he seems to think he had a read on the ball but couldn't get back in time. He was also drifting and misjudged how far he had to run and/or where the wall was, although if he'd been playing deeper to begin with then that would have been less of a factor since he wouldn't have been trying to make the catch on a dead run.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/cTrEu.jpg

ice cr?m, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago)

Well...I didn't dream it up, guys. In fact, I'm pretty sure SI ran a post-Series article (I'll check at home, I know I have it) where the writer said something to the effect of "Bonds just doesn't get it." And again, I'm not at all saying I agree, just like I won't agree if Cruz ends up being remembered for last night's play instead of the eight home runs. I'm trying to describe something I remember. Because two of you don't remember it that way, I'd hardly say that invalidates my memory.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago)

Up. (Counting seconds until Alex, Jordan S. or Steve Shasta jump on to say "down.")

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

we remember, sportswriters hated Bonds' existence on the planet

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:56 (thirteen years ago)

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/nothing-official-yet-but-cardinals-will-start-chris-carpenter/

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

Wait, now Clemenza is making things up about Bonds?

The only botched play I remember is Sid Bream but that was not 2002 and not a particularly awful throw, just more that it was Sid Bream.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago)

"Because two of you don't remember it that way, I'd hardly say that invalidates my memory."

I don't think ANYONE remembers it that way, so yeah that pretty much invalidates your comparison completely.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:26 (thirteen years ago)

That said I am not disputing the fact that writers hate(d) Bonds and wrote all sorts of nonsense about him being a terrible human being, a poor teammate, etc. Just no one thinks about that 2002 WS and goes "you know what they would have won if Bonds had just not done X or had made X play."

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago)

Look--I'm at work now, give me till tonight to track down the details. I assure you I'm not "making things up," and I'm definitely not out to get Bonds. (The main reason I remember is because of how unfair it felt to me at the time.) Do you remember the play I'm talking about, Morbius? It was a little looper that fell in front of Bonds in game 6--not a botched play or an error, but one where writers got on him for being too nonchalant.

If I'm wrong, I will gladly come on tonight and say so.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:32 (thirteen years ago)

I don't think ANYONE remembers it that way, so yeah that pretty much invalidates your comparison completely.

Except, as I remember it, sportswriters who covered it at the time. If I'm right, do they count?

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago)

Even if a few idiot sportswriters wrote that in 2002 the fact that no one much remembers the play now kinda makes it not the dominant theme of Bonds' WS, right? Again I think most people remember that Bonds had an insane WS and that the Giants relievers blew a 5 run lead in game 6.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago)

This is the Edward D Wood Jr World Series: an insane mess you can't take your eyes off of. Sorry, I prefer quality in both realms.

― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, October 28, 2011 4:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

This is a bit unfair, Games 1 and 2 were close and well played, Game 3 was a hitting clinic by the Cards, Game 4 had one of the best pitched WS games in recent memory. Games 5 and 6 were crazy/sloppy/dramatic, but even that doesn't necessarily translate into all-time iconic moments, and we've had plenty of those.

In comparison, 2001 had three blowouts and four close games, and Brenly's managing was so bad it made Ron Washington look like the guy who solved Fermat's Last Theorem.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

I barely remember what I had for breakfast.

xxp

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago)

what is his defensive rep?

― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

iirc big arm but not a lot of range

call all destroyer, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:50 (thirteen years ago)

Is it safe to assume Washington wanted Cruz on the field for the eventual world series clinching celebration? That could end up being some Russ Ortiz level shit..

peep this

http://www.yesnetwork.com/images/photoblog/fox4kdfw.jpg

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago)

w there being two outs i think berkman probably scores anyway, but yeah he didn't really sprint after that ball

the problem was definitely on the attempt to catch tho, i mean the ball was against the wall but it wasn't that difficult of a catch

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago)

he was scared of hitting the wall

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago)

clemenza was right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d-asMQEQTs
go to 10:30

Anderson blooped a single into shallow left and Bonds misplayed the ball allowing runners to go take 2nd and 3rd.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago)

Most clutchy WS games:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/18155/freeses-game-most-clutch-in-series-history

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

Thanks for looking that up. So my only point is: at the time, there were sportswriters who allowed that one play to overshadow all the amazing stuff Bonds had done beforehand, and that I can see where the same thing might happen all over again to Cruz. If you remember it differently, Alex, fine; I don't really understand why you get so agitated that your memory doesn't exactly jibe with mine.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago)

I'm not agitated at all. I also didn't realize you were talking about only "at the time" and only about a few idiot sportswriters (since you said remembered which kinda implies like what we remember about 2002 now--which is clearly not for most people the play Shasta is posting above.) Either way happy to let it drop.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago)

Let's just say I'm half-and-half--that I remember how those sportswriters reacted at the time, and that their reaction (unfortunately) has coloured my longer-term memories of that Series. It's just the way it is; that play still sticks out in my mind today (can you see how remembering something in broad outline is different than remembering exact details?), because some sportswriters made a big deal out of it ten years ago. So you can say in big block letters that not "ANYBODY" remembers it the way I do, but, clearly that's not true; I remember it the way I remember it.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago)

yep

i'd much rather x10109413294 talk about something related to this upcoming game tonight.

so i guess carp is starting on 3 day's rest again? fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago)

I don't remember the exact details, but I think it was game 6--the one where the Angels came back after being down 5-0--where Bonds let a catchable ball fall in front of him at a key moment. He'd had the most amazing postseason imaginable up to that point, but the media seemed to fixate on that one play (and Bonds's general demeanor) as being emblematic of everything that went wrong for the Giants the rest of the way.

― clemenza, Friday, October 28, 2011 5:37 AM (4 hours ago)

Just circling back, that ball was not catchable, it was a tough play for anyone. It was more Bonds' fumble once he came into contact with the ball that seems to be the misplay. I also don't believe that was a pivotable moment fwiw.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:15 (thirteen years ago)

i'd much rather x10109413294 talk about something related to this upcoming game tonight.

Me too--had no idea a brief aside about Cruz would turn into this epic thing.

I really hope Texas wins. For all of the bad decisions Washington makes, he had his closer in for the ninth with a two-run lead. You can't ask for much more than that.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago)

Holliday basically dl'd. No longer on the playoff roster. Replaced by some dude named Adron Chambers who I assume is a reliever for lolrussa to use tonight.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

There's a funny moment in the melee around home plate after Freese's home run; one of the Cardinal players give the umpire a big pat on the back.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

chambers is a rookie outfielder and man i hope he doesn't come into the game tonight. i mean, i guess he's likable and stuff but it's game 7. no foolin' around, larussa, please.

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:53 (thirteen years ago)

Yes, Jordan, I get that, with or without WPA. That was sort of the joke.

not to turn this into the rolling WPA thread, but i don't understand this sentiment. i could easily sit here and say "look y'all, i know that joey votto, prince fielder and albert pujols are all great. i watch the games!! i don't need to see any stats of any kind!" and technically you'd be right. but the entire point of stats is so that we can try and figure out who exactly is the best and by how much of a margin. some ppl look at wRC+, some look at RBI... either way the desire is the same. WPA is no different.

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago)

I just think it's funny that there's a complicated stat to determine that the passengers on the Titanic would have been better to stay home. Evidently you don't. That's all.

I'm trying, ZS.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago)

haha :)

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:02 (thirteen years ago)

I like Chambers. feel like the series needs the random nobody hero to come through. nick punto has had a billion chances at that and failed.

very public (bnw), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago)

I wonder how many "This could be Albert Pujols' final at-bat in a Cardinals uniform" AB there have been by now going right back to September? The occasion is starting to lose something.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:17 (thirteen years ago)

Holliday basically dl'd. No longer on the playoff roster. Replaced by some dude named Adron Chambers who I assume is a reliever for lolrussa to use tonight.

he's a right fielder and quite good out there, though his bat is barf

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago)

yeah he'll come in if the cards have a lead

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago)

Wow--rest of world argues about the same stuff we do.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/16084

(No, I don't want to pick up their argument her--swear to god, I don't. Just find the symmetry amusing.)

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

"here"

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago)

... aside from the dropped routine pop-up.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago)

There's a funny moment in the melee around home plate after Freese's home run; one of the Cardinal players give the umpire a big pat on the back.

i noticed that too! think it was Berkman making sure the ump saw Freese touch home.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago)

Cardinals manager Tony LaRussa, without any bullpen phone issues, managed an extraordinary game. He exhausted his bench by the eighth inning, he pinch hit a pitcher for a pitcher who was pinch hitting for a pitcher, he used five players out of the leadoff spot in his lineup and finished with only four players where they were when they started.

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago)

1. Ryan Theriot, 2B
2. Allen Craig, LF
3. Albert Pujols, 1B
4. Lance Berkman, RF
5. David Freese, 3B
6. Yadier Molina, C
7. Rafael Furcal, SS
8. Skip Schumaker, CF
9. Chris Carpenter, P

very public (bnw), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago)

do we know who's starting for texas

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

ugh, theriot+schumaker?

i know tlr likes to play the matchups, but shit man, it's game 7, you gotta have jay and punto (for defensive value added over theriot alone, in punto's case)

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i'm surprised that jay isn't in there after getting 2 hits last night

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

and 0 up until that point

frogbs, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago)

lets take bets on who gets more hits - furcal or theriot. I bet 0 total.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago)

punto has hit like shit and so has furcal.

jay isn't really driving the ball at all. the one off oliver was pretty lucky. that's like the first thing he's gotten out of the infield in months. I like the pro-offense line-up after last night.

very public (bnw), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago)

and 0 up until that point

― frogbs, Friday, October 28, 2011 5:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i know... i still think their optimal line up is jay in center & skip at second

i have no idea why punto or theriot are playing

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago)

there's been a lot of boneheaded stuff in this series and my memory for the baseball of yore is kind of shot, but: matt holliday getting picked off third is maybe the worst thing i've ever seen in a baseball game.

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago)

really can't believe that ron washington is starting matt harrison

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago)

thats part of the collateral damage from last night.. they could have had holland start tonight if they didnt burn him in the pen..

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:03 (thirteen years ago)

Whole Cruz thing is ridiculous imo. MAYBE he wasn't playing back far enough. And maybe he didn't get a good jump on the ball. Happens all the time. Ball was swatted over his head and off the wall.

Guy on ESPN called it a can of corn!

timellison, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago)

j0rdan u want wash 2 start cj im guessing?

i think harrison can be ok

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago)

i didn't realize that holland threw 2 innings last night n/m... i didn't see the game until it was 7-4

i wouldn't start CJ since he's been pretty mediocre all playoffs, but i'd have a mighty quick hook on harrison... esp if holland could go another 2 or 3

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago)

I would love it if they pulled the old trick where they announce Harrison as the starter but secretly warm up Wilson and bring him in after one batter.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago)

that would be very dumb imo

johnny crunch, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago)

Dumb but entertaining.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago)

well the Giants could not recover after blowing a five run lead in Game 6 of the 2002 World Series. i don't think the Rangers will recover either. should be a fun game to watch.

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago)

ouch

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago)

wtf kinsler

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago)

where was that?

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago)

tonight the role of Matt Holliday will be...

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago)

i hope we don't have bad umpiring for ball and strikes tonight

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago)

that was fast

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

blam

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago)

Hit the ball to right field.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago)

Carpenter on three days rest has not worked out

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago)

ah 'fisting' makes me so nostalgic

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago)

lol that the holliday replacement kid was in a tgifs

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago)

Feed collapsed for 5 minutes, missed the scoring *sigh*

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

well maybe its nerves that is getting to these pitchers

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

if its a full 9 innings of this...

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

2 - 2 start over

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

that would be so much fun

xpost

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRH-Ywpz1_I

polyphonic, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago)

I think the ball may be carrying

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

very familiar

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

I HAVE CURSED YOU WITH BLUE EYES, JOSH, BUT HERE COMES A FLY BALL THAT YOU WILL CATCH NEAR THE WALL.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago)

if someones gonna hit the ball its gonna be bill hall?

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago)

that was a google ad?

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago)

I thought that Carpenter might settle down after getting knocked around a bit in the first, but I guess not.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago)

i thought he was going to throw that ball away

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago)

bunting in the second inning of a game in which 4 runs have already been scored...hm

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago)

It was the AL pitcher, though.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago)

its the pitcher.. xp

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago)

oh i was only paying half attention lol

carry on

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

lol nl

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

Throwing behind a lead runner...

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago)

he would have been out

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago)

yeah with 2 outs and the fact that it's molina i'd say that's acceptable

MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

Bobby V on Carpenter: "not a good look"

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago)

Joe Buck has been a lot better as of late, he really seems to be enjoying himself

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago)

Maybe his faith in baseball has been restored.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago)

he was on MLB Network earlier today with Bob Costas and was saying how much he loves baseball

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

OMG Tim Tebow cannot wait

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

don't think that guy is going to make it in the NFL, we'll see

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago)

Going to go out on a limb and say that either Buck or McCarver will refer to Carpenter as "gutsy" by the end of the fifth inning.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:54 (thirteen years ago)

so Duncan told CC to throw some curves

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago)

nice

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago)

you can't give him another life

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago)

well maybe you can

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:04 (thirteen years ago)

NEVER FORGET

http://www.tagsportsllc.com/products_images/85/Weaver1_show.JPG?1198126800

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQzfOrrYqynYFwYZ39TBtLrJPgB0AUS8vp79SKWjK5XMRo4O1GrA

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:19 (thirteen years ago)

Colin Wyers: Harrison is pitching to Carpenter. Someone give these managers a cup of coffee.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago)

wd love to hear Earl Weaver cursing dumbass 5th-inning bunts

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:38 (thirteen years ago)

Everynight Scott

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago)

St. Louis is ready to turn over some cars

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago)

please pitch to him

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago)

bOOOOOOOOOOOO

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago)

maybe outside

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

wow

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago)

Hey everyone, I think Ron Washington just realized that the WS is on the line right now.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago)

As flashes of inspiration go, it's right up there with Newton and the apple.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago)

at least its not ogando in this sitch

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

fuuck

johnny crunch, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

well that worked out

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

needed to warm him up another 7 times

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

CJ Wilson's free agent "bonanza" keeps shrinking with every postseason appearance.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago)

Steven Goldman: Managers get so focused on the hot hand, which is hard or impossible to capture, such that someone like Feldman is suddenly treated as Superman in October when during the regular season you had no use for him.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago)

also on the BP chat, Goldstein sez Wilson's arm has just had it.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago)

home run taken away

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

Relieving for four seasons and then throwing 200+ innings (plus playoff innings) in back-to-back seasons can't be too easy.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago)

Carpenter seems to be having a good time

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago)

Buck and McCarver are such homers, disgusting savages.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:08 (thirteen years ago)

flipflopflying Craig Robinson
C.J. Wilson looks like he's exchanged straight edge-ness for about 30 bottles of Thunderbird over the last month.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:16 (thirteen years ago)

oh god, arthur rhodes..............

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago)

let's have some ice cream

BP guys say they thought they heard a snore in Fox booth

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:22 (thirteen years ago)

Oldest WS relievers:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=0J85R

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago)

this is not looking good for the Rangers

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

c'mon dawg

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

it aint over, but it's close

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

bullpen provided by colby rasmus

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago)

So not only did Washington burn Chavez (who could have come in for defense), he also pinch-hit his 2nd catcher (who won't be coming into the game). At least he's smart enough to bring in Adams to face the Cards 3-4-5 hitters.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:38 (thirteen years ago)

Steven Goldman: Even if the Cardinals have a lead, the two teams have agreed to play the bottom of the ninth so that Pujols can have one more last last at-bat.

Makes sense, we wouldn't want his last at-bat as a Cardinal to be a strikeout!

It's starting to remind me of the 2003 postseason, when Clemens was supposed to be retiring (ha!) and had 1058 "final" appearances.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:42 (thirteen years ago)

I've never seen Pujols look so lost. He's lucky he's getting hit and walked.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

would prefer the rangers but gotta feel good for the dude who could win 250K if the cards take it.

omar little, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago)

ian_mendes Ian Mendes
Rick Sutcliffe just asked, "I wonder how much money fans have spent on flashbulbs and film?" Wait til he hears about digital cameras.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago)

I've never seen Pujols look so lost. He's lucky he's getting hit and walked.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, October 28, 2011 9:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

and hitting doubles in extra innings of the world series on the brink of elimination.

worthless imo.

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago)

A Cards hit with RISP! Feels inevitable now.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

YADI THE BODY

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

well it was fun while it lasted

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago)

the Cards really do deserve to win this after all

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago)

Washington will never win the World Series

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago)

Nolan has that "welp" face.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago)

If Bob Brenly, Cito Gaston, and Joe Girardi all managed WS winners, Washington can find a way to win too.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago)

Nolan really looks like a corrupt politician

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago)

c'mon Texas make this interesting

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

good point NoTimeBeforeTime

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago)

Rangers players collectively have that deer in the headlights look.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

Lynn was feeling it that inning.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

seriously. after getting pwned last night.

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

this is over

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago)

Washington will never win the World Series
--Bee OK

Agreed

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago)

he has a 3-2 count and get injured, tough break

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago)

lol braves

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago)

i hope hamilton admits after the game that it was god's will that the rangers lose

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago)

haha

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago)

I thought for a moment that Gonzalez's "injury" (which was never named) and Ogando (who hasn't been able to find the strike zone) coming in to replace him on a 3-2 count was a conspiracy to give Pujols another last at-bat. Guess I was wrong.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

oh lord, the defensive replacements

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

Lol Nolan Ryan giving us another hilarious reaction shot to keep forever like last year

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago)

RIP to tha rangers

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago)

i hope hamilton admits after the game that it was god's will that the rangers lose

― mookieproof, Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:14 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Hamilton got the homer, but not the ring. That was just His way of showing that there's no "I" in team.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago)

Congrats, bnw.

Very good baseball season, you guys.

Love you all.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago)

Freese has gotta be the MVP right? Chicks dig the long ball.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

see you in six months, andy

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago)

wooooooooooooooooo congrats Cards and bnw

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago)

amazing. Rangers are a hell of a team. and all their fans I met were very cool.

season is totally surreal. totally crying now :`(

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago)

Props to z s too. We did it ilb! How many days till pitchers and catchers report?

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago)

just be to be a bit of a petty asshole

lol @ "greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Win or lose, if Mike Napoli isn't World Series MVP, I'm going to ask that we administer a drug test to voters"

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago)

congrats to the cards, damn good series, great postseason for stl, one impressive pwning after another.

omar little, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago)

congratulations Cardinals

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago)

is that Berkman's first? I know its furcal's.

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

yeah, the stros have never won a title

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

freese wins deservedly

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago)

Looks like he is in shock.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

i'd be!

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

Carpenter would have been a deserving winner too (three v. good starts, 20 IP in the series), but you can't argue with Freese.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago)

Albert Pujols is not going anywhere

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago)

astros fans: happy for lance berkman, or throwing their TVs out the window?

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago)

I've been out but

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago)

Congrats, Cards -- great run of baseball in Sept/Oct.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:52 (thirteen years ago)

My date tOnight was totally cool with watching the last few innings at the bar we were at! A quality night!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

\o

high five to ZS for bitching and moaning with me for months. I mean "believing" :D

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago)

looooool

yeah, same thing happened in 2006. i dont' want to claim TOTAL credit for the WS win, but let me go ahead and claim total credit - the cardinals only win the WS when i throw in the towel for the season and pretty much give up, in my experience

double whooooaaaaa! (Z S), Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago)

i'm happy for you, but ime that hasn't worked for my pirates fandom

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago)

Will try that with the Braves next year.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago)

Yes, congrats to Z(ane) S(mith) as well.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago)

Watched the game in a bar with my brother-in-law. Ah, shitfuck. (But always nice to see hometown frenzy, and good for the Cards fans on here.)

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago)

p fucked up that the rangers lost two WS in a row

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago)

and here we were thinking that joe buck couldn't top "we'll see you tomorrow night!"

http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011-October-29-0-42-9.jpg

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 05:01 (thirteen years ago)

Realized during the game tonight that the Rangers (technically, as the Senators) came into the world the same year as me. I hope they get another chance at it while the core of this team is still around. I don't know if any loss ever--by the Red Sox, Cubs, or anybody--would have been as tough to spend the winter with as game 6 will be for longtime Rangers fans. I think because of the comparative uneventfulness of tonight's game, the sixth game will outlive the series as a whole; a great game tonight, and probably the entire series goes down as one of the greats.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 05:13 (thirteen years ago)

p fucked up that the rangers lost two WS in a row

the Giants dominated that Series last year, this year they had it in their hands and let it slip away

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2011 06:02 (thirteen years ago)

wow was Wilson ever brutal

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 October 2011 07:11 (thirteen years ago)

i hope hamilton admits after the game that it was god's will that the rangers lose

― mookieproof, Friday, October 28, 2011 11:14 PM

A+

Congratulations Cardinals, for lucking out in "tournament baseball" for the second time in six years. (Hey, at least it's not one of the Two Bought Teams)

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 07:26 (thirteen years ago)

Congrats to ZS and bnw.

polyphonic, Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:09 (thirteen years ago)

MORBIUS YOUR TEAM IS THE METS YOU ARE ONE COMPETENT OWNER AND GM AWAY FROM BEING A BOUGHT TEAM JESUS H FUCKING CHRIST ON THE CROSS

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:31 (thirteen years ago)

I MEAN QUIT PRETENDING YOUR TEAM IS THE ROYALS

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:32 (thirteen years ago)

CRAZY PILLS

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:33 (thirteen years ago)

I am speaking on behalf of the unbought teams, chillax

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 08:54 (thirteen years ago)

Speaking on anybody's behalf is such a bad look for The World's Greatest Misanthrope.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Saturday, 29 October 2011 13:07 (thirteen years ago)

fie on ye!

Neyer on Wash's Game 6 "tactics":

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/28/2520194/world-series-game-6-rangers-manager-ron-washington

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago)

The series is over, so let me tie up one loose end from yesterday.

When I looked at Sports Illustrated's cover story for the 2002 Series, there was no mention of Bonds's misplay in Game 6. I started to wonder if I'd completely misremembered everything, but the piece I was thinking of was Rick Reilly's back-page essay, which is archived online:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/rick_reilly/news/2002/10/29/life_of_reilly/

"So, no, Barry Bonds doesn't get his ring. But then, he doesn't get a lot of things."

More than anything, that's the quote that had stuck in my mind. So: Alex was right, in that I took one isolated piece (if I remember correctly, Reilly in particular had it in for Bonds) and wrongly generalized from that that there were a lot of sportswriters who made a big deal out of that one play. I don't think it's accurate to say that no one remembers the play--it lingered in my mind, probably in large part because of Reilly's piece, and Reilly undoubtedly remembers it well--but I was definitely more wrong than right.

To bring it back to 2011, I don't think you can say for sure whether Cruz will be mostly remembered for the eight home runs or the play in game 6 until some time passes. No Time says categorically it won't be the play in game 6. I hope that's the case, but Bill Buckner's entire career (far from HOF-caliber, but, at least by pre-sabermetric standards, a pretty decent one) has been subsumed by a single play, so I don't think it's inconceivable that something similar would happen with Cruz.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/uZCXI.png

very public (bnw), Saturday, 29 October 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago)

since when were players allowed to wear jackets on teh field

dayo, Saturday, 29 October 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago)

since forever

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago)

whoa

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090423042501AAWBcYJ

dayo, Saturday, 29 October 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago)

j0rdan I am going to need more clarification from you

dayo, Saturday, 29 October 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago)

I don't think you can say for sure whether Cruz will be mostly remembered for the eight home runs or the play in game 6 until some time passes. No Time says categorically it won't be the play in game 6

Seeing as nobody's blaming him *now* for blowing the game, it's safe to say that he won't be remembered for it. He messed up, but the blame has already been spread around (deservedly). Think about the Bartman game or the Pedro/Grady Little game -- a million other things went wrong in those games (just like Game 6 this year) but the next day all the focus was on one thing only, so you knew how those games would be remembered.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago)

i think the blame for game 6 is going towards the pitchers, but tbh i think it's less "blame" and more folks praising freese and berkman.

omar little, Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:18 (thirteen years ago)

no one more responsible than wash imo

call all destroyer, Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago)

Seeing as nobody's blaming him *now* for blowing the game, it's safe to say that he won't be remembered for it

Well, Verducci pretty much did in that day-after assessment I linked to upthread: "But make no mistake: the Rangers cannot a lose a ballgame -- not one in Kansas City in July, nevermind a potential World Series clincher -- by allowing a ball to go over an outfielder's head with two outs and a two-run lead in the ninth inning." That was two days ago, which seems on the now-ish side.

I imagine the impact of the play will be mitigated by the fact that the Rangers jumped out ahead again next inning, and that the two blown leads will meld into one colossal meltdown. I'm just not as convinced as you that Cruz (or Cruz + Washington) will not be forever linked to that play--or, at the very least, that the play will be appended to any mention of Cruz's phenomenal hitting during the postseason.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago)

For what it's worth, Cruz himself would seem to disagree with you:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/texas-rangers/post?id=4875603

"Cruz said in the end, the homers he hit will fade, but the play he didn't make will be difficult to erase."

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago)

j0rdan I am going to need more clarification from you

― dayo, Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i can remember pitchers in cold weather environments putting jackets on when they're on the bases for my entire life. idk what year it actually started tho.

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago)

That's sad. I think Josh Hamilton is right in the quote just above that one. Thing is being blown out of proportion. (x-post)

timellison, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

Is there a rules exception for pitchers? I've never seen a position player do it.

D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

i'm sure that a position player could if he wanted to... but it would certainly hamper your ability to run, so i don't think any position player has ever done it

there also might be an exception for pitchers

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

actually thinking back to the baseball I watched as a kid I think I remember it

I guess it wasn't seared in my memory since it only happens in october

dayo, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

"The play in right, I don't care who you are, was a tough play," Josh Hamilton said. "Except God--he'd have caught it," he quickly added.

(There's a funny typo just before Hamilton's quote: "Cruz was scrutinized after the 11-inning Game 6 loss for not misplaying the tailing liner that crashed off the wall and scored two runs to send the game into extra innings.")

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

Well, Verducci pretty much did in that day-after assessment I linked to upthread:

Duh, of course it was an important play and contributed to them losing the WS, but was it *the* play? Was it as monumental as Buckner's error? Not even close, and that's why it's not getting talked about in the same way.

Verducci said that he noticed that Cruz wasn't in position before the first pitch to Freese was thrown, and that's the fault of the Rangers coaching staff for not noticing where their outfielders were standing with the WS on the line.

For what it's worth, Cruz himself would seem to disagree with you:

His team just lost the WS, what do you expect him to say? "Yeah we lost but I hit eight homers, so if you want to blame someone then don't blame me"? Of course he's going to fixate on the bad stuff, just like Lowe will fixate on the HR to Freese, Harrison on not being able to match Carpenter in G7, etc.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago)

Me: "I hope Cruz's home runs aren't overshadowed by that one play. They probably won't be, but I think there's a chance they will."

You: "No--there's only one way this will play out. End of story."

This is really kind of silly.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago)

Just watching it again - Cruz was definitely playing deep. Deep enough, I don't know, but he had to run quite a ways to his left after that thing.

timellison, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago)

I laughed the other day when Jordan said that everything has to be either/or with me. The majority of the arguments I get into on here come down to me expressing uncertainty or skepticism about something in the face of somebody else's 100% certitude.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago)

No, what you're doing is taking this play and putting it in a box with a bunch of all-time famous choker plays even though nobody else thinks that it belongs there. We pretty much know it doesn't belong there because it's not being treated even remotely like those other plays, even with only two days of perspective behind it.

Let's agree to revive the thread in five years and discuss it then.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago)

We have a date. Between two days of perspective and five years, I'll go for the five years.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago)

IOW, I don't see why we might want to consider the possibility that it might become the story of this WS some years in the future when nobody's even treating it that way now.

xpost

We can kind of test this now ... check the ILBB archives and I'm willing to bet that we've forgotten about 95% of the stuff that seemed really important at the time.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago)

I remember having some crazy arguments on this board during the '05 playoffs, but off the top of my head, the only moments I can clearly remember from that year are Pierzynski running to first on a caught third strike and Pujols homer off Lidge. I mean, the White Sox and Astros played the longest game in WS history that year, and I'm sure there were a bunch of heroes and goats from that game, damned if I can remember who they were.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago)

I'm willing to bet that we've forgotten about 95% of the stuff that seemed really important at the time.

That sums up life in general. On a message board, I'd bump that to 98.3%.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

I think it's going to shake out that Feliz will take a lot of blame and they'll buy a 'more reliable' closer for next season. I think the Rangers start their new $85mn TV deal this season, which opens up some free agent doors.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago)

esp in Game 6, how do you isolate ONE play as THE essential one? With all the weird managerial tactics and unlikely comebacks? It's too simple.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i mean, it was a bad play, and it might have cost them the world series, but it's certainly not alone in that category

J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago)

Agreed. But history does tend to simplify, and I'm just allowing for the possibility that it may happen here.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago)

I went back and checked my original post from yesterday morning, and it was me who was too categorical there: I said "will be remembered for the botched play more than the amazing postseason he's otherwise had," and I should have said "may be remembered."

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago)

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/11/4/2538461/rangers-ballpark-visitors-bullpen-reconfigured

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 November 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago)

http://static.sportressofblogitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/rangers-world-champs-tattoo.jpg

sanskrit, Monday, 7 November 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago)

That ended because the team’s coaches weren’t happy with them, although it didn’t help, either, that players had run up $70,000 in Internet usage charges.

hahaha

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 7 November 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago)

:|

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 November 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago)

Marmol was really into farmville

very public (bnw), Monday, 7 November 2011 16:08 (thirteen years ago)


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