Good Game! Let's Go Eat. The 2012 Philadelphia Phillies Thread.

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Crashburn Alley pretty much the best Phillies blog currently running:
http://crashburnalley.com/2012/02/07/halladay-and-lee-through-a-santana-prism/

Dude just wrote a new book. Haven't read it yet but I'm interested:
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the addition of papelbon made me hate philly even more. sorry bros.

i'm not a big fan myself

papelbon swap for ryan ledge seems fair in a cosmic sense ...

who is ryan ledge?

BRIAN ledge, my bad

BRAD ledge ... my God, my mind is going

lidge lol no worries

CBP denizens are gettin outta their seats for eats every 2 innings, what "go eat"?

oh, it's a Hunter Pence quote. No wonder he's dating a Playmate.

not quite as poetic as 'it's a beautiful day, let's play 2."

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El Pulpo!

Pence was a year behind me in high school and dated a girl who's now a friend. He was (allegedly) a nice guy and was not swinging a Louisville Slugger.

I guess allegedly should have gone before the second part of that.

watching my first baseball of the year (yay!) yankees-phillies exhibition.

juan pierre making some nice defensive plays in center field. bastardo pitching now. i think i missed halladay pitch 2 innings in the beginning of the game.

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oh dominic brown

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from Kevin Goldstein's organizational rankings:

#29 Philadelphia Phillies

System At a Glance: Picking at the end of the first round and being constant buyers at the trade deadline has taken its toll. There are some arms here, but very little offense, and even less depth.

Very little offense otm. 'Some arms here' huge challops, tho.

Also, him ranking Mets above Phillies for organizational rankings (and really anywhere besides the bottom 5) is the kind of challops that boggles the mind.

since you've famously combed the Mets' system with stopwatch and spray charts I'll accept your opinion.

I look forward to the ruin to come, perhaps as soon as this year.

Take a look at the last few years of his rankings and tell me whether you put any stock in his analysis. Seriously.

lol, like I have time.

If you're using major-league success to "measure" his rankings "of the last few years," that seems foggy. Systems are in flux.

I'm not sure how you can better judge the accuracy of his ratings than through major-league success (both from prospects coming up to directly contribute, and leveraging them in trades). Otherwise you're just hoping that he knows something that you don't. His breakdown of the Phillies seems particularly suspect to me, and so even if I don't have the same fluency with other teams, it makes me question his accuracy. He also seems to have overrated Mets prospects over the last couple of years - I have no idea if that indicates a bias, or just the inherent arbitrariness to this kind of thing.

Obviously the Phillies aren't going to continue to go to the playoffs every year for the rest of MLB history (assuming MLB history doesn't end shortly), but I wouldn't hold out too much hope for a "ruin to come." These things are cyclical and even if the Phillies have raided their farming system to win now (and I don't completely buy that is what has happened), systems aren't impossible to restock. You need broad systemic organizational flaws (such as the kind the Mets have been dealing with) to really experience total ruin, and even then the Mets won an NL East title as recently as 2006. At least you aren't rooting for the Nationals!

lol, like I have time.

you should make the time b4 you come storming into threads with sweeping ex-cathedra pronouncements. classic pound-on-the-table-cause-you-have-neither-law-nor-facts behavior.

that said ... the phils' farm system doesn't appear to have much offensive firepower in the wings. i don't know (and don't care) about the mets' farm system.

Systems are in flux.

My new justification for anything and everything.

you should make the time b4 you come storming into threads with sweeping ex-cathedra pronouncements

such as what? I started off just quoting Goldstein. "Ruin to come" is just part of my trolling your rapidly aging team, all season long.

Where are the prospect experts who DON'T think the Philths have scorched the system w/ all the recent trades? K.Law was on the BP podcast a few weeks ago, they seem to be in general agreement.

such as what? I started off just quoting Goldstein. "Ruin to come" is just part of my trolling your rapidly aging team, all season long.

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:01 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Vs. a team that is trying to compare Keith Hernandez to Ike Davis in its averts

oh c'mon, marketing

Utley: "It's not bad enough to end my career." Very reassuring.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/18046410/phillies-scramble-to-fill-holes-left-by-utley-howard

I've always liked Utley -- he deserved a couple of MVPs won by teammates -- so this is bummer language floating around his knee.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/3/20/2887187/chase-utley-injury-knee-philadelphia-phillies

http://crashburnalley.com/2012/04/04/10-reasons-to-get-excited-about-the-2012-phillies/

jim thome, starting at 1b for the first time since june 2007

the phillies' roving reporter just interviewed dj jazzy jeff in the crowd

did he have a good seat?

phillies are the new padres

In what way

every victory will be 2-1

"baseball activities" for RyHow

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/4/28/2985434/ryan-howard-injury-update-chase-utley-philadelphia-phillies

13-13 in the 10th. not a game you'd think you'd see the phillies playing this year.

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I'm at tnite's game v the mets

big interference call there

Ugh

whoa, phillie fans applauded the injured thole

I didn't see anyone applaud

I saw some applause when he sat up tho

i heard it, when he walked off

Yeah they were prob happy he was okay

no one clapped while he was lying there

lolpelbon

paps!!

that was one of the ugliest home run swings i've ever seen

maybe the phillies have to play john mayberry, i dunno. i'm pretty sure they don't have to bat him second tho

thank u, based orr

about 6000 Philthie fans left in the 9th, great town.

juan pierre is outslugging jimmy rollins (and john mayberry) by 100 points

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more on unloading Little Lord Oldschool

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pretty obv that the dodgers are going to offer him a huge contract and that will be the end of it

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kendrick looking (surprisingly?) good. shutout thru 8 and he's going to the mound in the 9th.

has Papelbon been getting valentine calls like that all year?

my boy schwimer is pitching tnite

juan pierre just got a legit double on a bunt

didn't overthrow first base?

hanley was charging in from third and pierre bunted one right down the line like a foot off the ground that bounced right before third base and went into left -- whizzed right by hanley's bare hand

so a squeeze

no cuz there was no one on third base

o I misread that

that's a fielder's error tho right?

Official scorers are pretty generous to hitters on those kinds of hits, esp if the fielder doesn't get a hand on the ball.

nah it wasn't a error, it was just a crazy perfect push bunt that pierre prob couldn't replicate once in 100 times

Gonna be at game tnite

hope u liked the 3 homers!

Galvis to DL

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/6/7/3070342/freddy-galvis-lower-back-strain-phillies-news

i did. i love seeing homeruns, even if the loss makes me sadface.

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phillies just brought up reliever b.j. rosenberg to majors, now have two MOT pitching for them

need to (presumably) make a deal for daniel rosenbaum

+ grab youkillis

word up thome

Thome to Baltimore

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Dropped six in a row, nine games out of the wild card, by next week we'll already be sick of hearing the Cole Hamels trade rumours.

really, my prayers have been answered.

is this the day cliffie gets a win?

is this the day cliffie gets a win?

yes it is.

and BURIED.

Showcase time for Ryan Howard.

The rumor from PHI today is that Victorino was pissed at being 7th in the batting order, so Manuel pulled him. Pridie, his replacement, has all 3 Phillies RBIs today.

understandable -- seventh seems pretty high for a guy hitting .245/.311/.369

lol

well, at least i can take solace in the fact that the braves are 1/2-game ahead of the Mutts in the division race. lemons, lemonade & all that.

start anticipating yr pigskin shit imo

oh man

you have the second-highest payroll in baseball and you're taking solace in the positioning of two teams whose combined payroll is $3m higher? well i am depressed

such is life. any philly fan who is emotionally unequipped to deal w/ sports failure is a very recent philly sports fan imho.

sports failure is one thing, but being weirdly snotty when your team is spending twice the mlb average sounds like . . . yankee fandom

I can't tell em apart

i can.

2 v 27

yeah but Yankee fans weren't around for most of their 27

it's tough when after a century, one's team is no longer an underdog (srsly)

i think we're drawing very broad conclusions from a less than 10 year period of time. i mean, i hope you're right and this is a blip on a broader trend of big seasons and post-season appearances.

you people get all of that out of an off-the-cuff remark?!? i'm just happy that there's no insult to be added to injury (i.e., at least the Mets are still stuck in 3d place).

Twelve seasons isn’t a huge sample size, but the chart is meant more for illustrative purposes anyway. When the Phillies outscore their opponents, they win more games. This is the case for every team in every year since the game was invented, and tells you more about a team’s success and failure than would the presence or absence of leadership and accountability. In 2000, when the Phillies struggled, had no leadership, and had to trade a franchise pitcher in Curt Schilling, they were outscored by 122 runs and barely won 40 percent of their games. In 2002, when Scott Rolen was becoming a problem and the team had no leaders stepping up, they scored about as many runs as they allowed and as a result won about as many games as they lost. Finally, this year, when Rollins and Victorino are insatiable clubhouse distractions, the Phillies have been outscored by 28 runs through 87 games (putting them on pace for a -52 differential) and have only won 42.5 percent of their games as a result.

As a fan, it’s great to get emotionally invested in the storylines — that’s what makes rooting for these teams so fun. You ride out the low times and enjoy the high times and you can’t enjoy one without the other. And there’s certainly some fantasy involved on the part of the writers, but it is also good to be able to separate fantasy from reality. The claims of a lack of leadership and accountability are post hoc rationalizations for the Phillies’ failures. They wouldn’t exist if Rollins and Victorino were acting the same exact way and putting up the same exact numbers, but had better production surrounding them. Winning and losing shapes our perception of teams and players.

It is also important to notice that the players on these losing teams — not just the Phillies — who are castigated as poor in the clubhouse are never identified as such prior to the season, or at any time before that. Only after stuff hits the fan do we learn who the culprits are, which tells you all you need to know about the latest batch of diagnostics. Should Rollins have faced the media? Absolutely. What he did was immature and he neglected to do his job as an employee of the Phillies. In the big picture, though, 2012 is a lost season. Put the pitchforks away and turn your attention to the moves the Phillies can make between now and next April to put them in a position for a successful 2013 campaign.

At Halliday game tnite

Utley and Howard two in a tow hr!

Cole Hamels is close to agreeing to a six-year contract with the Phillies worth roughly 137.5 million, according to Ken Rosenthal.

Can't imagine he'd be worth more than that on the open market, so now he either wants to play in Philly or he doesn't.

RIP

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at least we get to find out now if brown is a major league player or what

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Overall, this trading season for the Phillies went about as well as they could have reasonably hoped. It would have been great to move Blanton, Pierre, and Wigginton, but there will still be time for that in August. Otherwise, the Phillies were able to clear some money off the books and lightly restock their mediocre Minor League system. The 2013 squad will need a new center fielder and a new third baseman and neither issue was addressed with their deadline deals, so it seems as if Amaro will address those via waivers in August, or via free agency and trades in the off-season. We saw the Phillies play the role of sellers for the first time since 2006 and it was certainly a weird experience, but they came out of it all right.

I think Philly did great in replenishing their farm.. but man this starting OF of Brown-Mayberry-Schierholtz is o_0

like i said a couple of years ago, their offense is now a wasteland right on schedule. i didn't see the mediocre pitching coming though.

offenses age. i don't know why the phillies would dodge that bullet.

they had a terrible plan imo. yanks and bosox have aged as well, as have other teams, but the phils' attempt at emulating them was destined to fail i think. maybe dom brown is going to be an amazing hitter and help turn it around, though. we shall see.

remember the spring Vegas total of 94-95 wins?

I want to see some buses roll north on 2013 Phils Opening Day w/ DC fans showing off some Natitude.

remember the spring Vegas total of 94-95 wins?

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:23 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if it helps you forget that the Mutts are only two games ahead of the Phils and 3 1/2 games away from the cellar as of today, then sure knock yerself out.

God, you are a sad pathetic desperate little shit

you really shouldn't post the thoughts going on in yer head when you look in the mirror, it's quite unbecoming.

children, pls

Today was Hunter Pence bobblehead day in Philadelphia.

acc to local philly sports media fans were still excited to get pence bobbleheads

tbf no one at least *looks* like they're trying harder than hunter pence

I would totally get behind Hunter, tbqh

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tbf no one at least *looks* like they're trying harder than hunter pence

― mookieproof, Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:04 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mark Teixeira would like a word with you.

phillies farmhand darin ruf has 18 home runs in august (27 games), including seven in his last nine, and 36 for the season. .359/.431/.922 this month.

kind of a mixed blessing being named double-a eastern league mvp at age 26 tho

Tyler Cloyd making his major league debut right now against the Mets

10-4 for the year vs Philly is p much highlight of the Mets' year

utley might be moving to third next year

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hahaha, that's his season in a snapshot

Hm, the Phillies are almost back at .500 and are 5.5 out of the second wild card.

BP has their chances up to 0.6% (ie about a tenth of the Pirates').

getting nervous?

no, they'll shit the bed for a solid week very soon.

Brewers also 5 back in the WC standings

i'm not saying it means anything but phillies won again tnite

i know that the odds of making the playoffs are really bad, but this is neat to watch. and the Phils do tend to get hot the last month of the season.

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the Phils do tend to get hot the last month of the season.

must be their magick uniforms

not to say that it means anything no jinx or anything like that but ho-oly shit what the fuck is happening

Three games back? And the teams ahead of them have played like shit lately, 85 wins is going to be enough to make the playoffs.

phil v mil 1 game playoff for the 2d wc will be hilarious

Some things never change -- game (and maybe the season) on the line, trying to protect a lead in the 8th, Manuel brings in a bunch of nobodies rather than Papelbon, and the Phillies lose.

loooool

phil v mil 1 game playoff for the 2d wc will be hilarious

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quality, appropriate-perspective parenting there

Oh c'mon, Charlie, leave the piñata out there a couple more innings.

Philthies daid

Halladay vs Hanson would have been a better matchup -- a nice 14-13 jamboree.

going to game tnite. it's fan appreciation night!

ruf!

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