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Tried a few search terms and couldn't find a thread...People sometimes call attention to great pitching match-ups elsewhere; that's the purpose of this thread. For me, it should involve two starters who are either a) established stars pitching up to or close to their career norms, or b) a less than established star having a fantastic year (i.e., Lance Lynn this year). I don't know--I'm guessing most nights there's one, you don't often see two, and some nights there aren't any. Tonight: CC vs. David Price. I know CC's ERA is a little higher than normal right now, but his peripherals are good, and--thought-crime!--he's on target for 20 wins. Price continues to be one of the best starters in baseball.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 June 2012 22:39 (thirteen years ago)

kind of a draw, in regards to pitching lines...
Price: 5 IP, 8k, 4BB, 3H, 1 ER
Sabatia: 7 IP, 12K, 1BB, 7H, 3ER (+2 unearned)

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 June 2012 02:33 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, I noticed that Sabathia's line was actually pretty good, especially the K/BB. Higher game score?

clemenza, Friday, 8 June 2012 02:47 (thirteen years ago)

If my calculations are right, Price = 61, Sabathia = 58. So: close, but no.

clemenza, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

Tonight: Mets v. Nats. Dickey v. Wang.

wmlynch, Friday, 8 June 2012 03:49 (thirteen years ago)

Good "traded for each other" game going on with Parker v. Cahill

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 10 June 2012 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

hector noesi v jason marquis

see what i did there

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 12:37 (thirteen years ago)

Price-Dickey tonight is p good

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 21:03 (thirteen years ago)

price has fallen apart since the 4th inning

johnny crunch, Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:46 (thirteen years ago)

Second-guessing, but, based on this season, I should have flagged Lynn-Peavy tonight; Lynn won 1-0, with a game score of 81.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:59 (thirteen years ago)

Whoah--Dickey's GS was 96 tonight.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:05 (thirteen years ago)

sale v kershaw

johnny crunch, Saturday, 16 June 2012 00:40 (thirteen years ago)

Missed Verlander-Lynn tonight. Verlander's got an early lead. (Two weeks ago, Dickey was a punchline on the Marquee match-ups thread.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 00:55 (thirteen years ago)

1) David Price - Cole Hamels
2) overweight plodder - aging knuckleballer

clemenza, Sunday, 24 June 2012 13:15 (thirteen years ago)

I'll take door #2, Monty.

Biff Wellington (WmC), Sunday, 24 June 2012 21:11 (thirteen years ago)

assuming I get in from Iowa on time, J0rdan and I should be seeing Sale vs Oswalt on the South Side Tuesday night.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 June 2012 13:09 (thirteen years ago)

Saw Volquez vs. Latos tonight - top notch.

timellison, Friday, 6 July 2012 06:24 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

will put on Yu v Sale now

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:04 (thirteen years ago)

well 4-3 in the 2nd, so much for that

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:48 (thirteen years ago)

Hamels v Sheets is close, but Cole's thrown more balls than strikes at this point.

Your sweet bippy is going to hell (WmC), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:51 (thirteen years ago)

trying to root for Philths this weekend, not easy

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:52 (thirteen years ago)

:O

Your sweet bippy is going to hell (WmC), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:54 (thirteen years ago)

Kershaw-Vogelsong should be good. I missed the obvious limitation of this thread when I opened it up: it's the same 12-15 names shuffled around.

clemenza, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:32 (thirteen years ago)

Halladay-Hudson could go anywhere.

Your sweet bippy is going to hell (WmC), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:06 (thirteen years ago)

u forgot that the Philthies are in total punkass mode.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:39 (thirteen years ago)

Which of the three words in "could go anywhere" didn't you read?

Your sweet bippy is going to hell (WmC), Sunday, 29 July 2012 23:22 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Hard to get a more statistically even match-up in the most basic columns than Bumgarner vs. Kershaw:

ERA -- 2.97 (B) / 2.90 (K)
IP -- 164 (B) / 171 (K)
H/9 -- 7.4 (B) / 6.9 (K)
K/BB -- 4.7 (B) / 3.9 (K)
W/L% -- .650 (B) / .647 (K)

And they have identical WHIPs of 1.014.

clemenza, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 00:19 (thirteen years ago)

who wouldve thunk - david price vs.............luke hochevar

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)

... and the mighty Royals come out on top!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 02:07 (thirteen years ago)

Cueto/Miley = Cy Young/ROY?

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago)

It was a good matchup. Johnny Cueto pretty much did what he has done all year. Cueto is so much more efficient than he was in past years and seems to have another gear he can get into later in the game. He was filthy in his last inning which was the 7th.

Wade Miley pitched a pretty good game. He works really fast and throws strikes. I don't know if it is his motion, but there is something about his motion that seems to confuse hitters on where the pitch is going to be located. He got quite few swings and misses for a guy that tops out around 91-92. Really just gave up some singles and lost one run on an error by the D-back shortstop. Chris Welsh was impressed stating he reminded him quite a bit of former Red left-hander Tom Browning.

earlnash, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago)

Verlander-Sale, a game separating their teams at the top; best match-up since Dickey-Sabathia a couple of months ago.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 September 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago)

If you were watching the ESPN broadcast, you caught an amazing statistic: other teams are hitting .131 against Verlander after he passes 100 pitches. (Not that small a sample, either, seeing as he's exceeded 100 every start this year.)

clemenza, Monday, 3 September 2012 03:24 (twelve years ago)

Hell of a dugout tantrum from Sale. He looked psychopathic after he gave up that HR to Delmon Young.

Andy K, Monday, 3 September 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago)

Verlander-Sale again

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago)

Rained out

Andy K, Friday, 14 September 2012 01:40 (twelve years ago)

Verlander and Sale ended up crushing the Twins and Indians (no runs allowed by either) instead of facing each other ... too bad.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 15 September 2012 05:40 (twelve years ago)

Verlander/Anderson (on ESPN tonight) qualifies, right?

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago)

The best starter in the NL is going tonight, if anyone's interested. vs. Josh Johnson, but still.

The Jesus and Mary Lizard (WmC), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 15:04 (twelve years ago)

I had to think for 30 seconds on who Anderson is.

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago)

"Mister Anderson"

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago)

Darvish-Greinke in a few

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 September 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago)

ten months pass...

Scherzer-Harvey on TV today.

clemenza, Saturday, 24 August 2013 13:27 (twelve years ago)

Aargh--looking forward to Scherzer/Harvey/Cabrera all day, I've got the Red Sox-Dodgers instead. I guess the reasoning is that the Jays are actively pursuing the Red Sox for a divisional crown.

clemenza, Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:04 (twelve years ago)

scherzer!

mookieproof, Saturday, 24 August 2013 20:33 (twelve years ago)

through four:

harvey 8 H, 2 K
scherzer 1 H, 8 K

mookieproof, Saturday, 24 August 2013 21:22 (twelve years ago)

two pretty good rookies about to get going, Fernandez vs. Teheran

cops on horse (WilliamC), Friday, 30 August 2013 23:32 (eleven years ago)

Good call--lead story on cnnsi.com this morning.

http://mlb.si.com/2013/08/31/mariners-taijuan-walker-wins-debut/?sct=mlb_t11_a2

clemenza, Saturday, 31 August 2013 13:19 (eleven years ago)

Didn't realize it was Scherzer-Sale tonight.

clemenza, Monday, 9 September 2013 23:39 (eleven years ago)

two weeks pass...

Cliff Lee vs. Kris Medlen right now is a real beauty. Scoreless, 3 hits total, 11 Ks for Lee and Medlen just gave up his first hit in the 6th.

cops on horse (WilliamC), Saturday, 28 September 2013 01:05 (eleven years ago)

Lee's final line: 8 IP, 3 hits, 13 K, 0 BB, 1 run. May qualify as a tough loss.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 September 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago)

Game time 2:07

cops on horse (WilliamC), Saturday, 28 September 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago)

almost feel bad for clifton, but then not

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 September 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago)

Game scores: Medlen 83, Lee 85

Hell of a game, nice heart-attack moment from Janish in the 9th.

cops on horse (WilliamC), Saturday, 28 September 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago)

less sympathy for a guy who can't decide whether to pitch in Philly or Arlington, two shitholes of the universe.

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 September 2013 02:21 (eleven years ago)

tbf he didn't go to miami/the bronx, but yeah

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 September 2013 02:28 (eleven years ago)

eleven months pass...

Kershaw and Fister tomorrow night could be great.

clemenza, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 00:44 (ten years ago)

?

doug fister's having kind of a ho hum season right?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 00:58 (ten years ago)

his peripherals suck, but 12-5, 2.55 always looks nice

in any case, he's hardly a match for kershaw, who will now probably give up nine straight hits

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 01:03 (ten years ago)

Posnanski had an interesting column on Fister a week or two ago--basically that the Tigers traded him because of a baseball-wide "deep suspicion and profound lack of confidence in pitchers who cannot throw 90 mph."

http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/the-need-the-need-for-speed/

I look at Buehrle's collapse here and I think, "There's good reason for that--eventually, your unimposing stuff catches up with you." But for the moment at least, Fister's year looks pretty good to me (I'll call the ERA and K/BB ratio a trade-off with a hit-per-inning). He's not Kershaw, no.

(Related note on how different things once were. I started watching Mark Fidrych's famous Monday night game in 1976--someone sent me a DVD of the complete game a few years ago, but it wouldn't play on my old DVD, so I let it sit there; it plays on the newer one. Holtzman was starting for the Yankees; it was his third start for them after coming over from the Orioles. They flashed his stats before the game: 5-5, 2.92, 114 IP, 116 H, 36 BB, 29 K. That's 2.2 K/9. Science-fiction.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 01:21 (ten years ago)

fister's strikeout and hr rates are of concern, but he's a solid 'back end' starter, and at the moment probably rather better than a combination of buck farmer and robbie ray

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 01:33 (ten years ago)

those are two names you made up, right?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 06:23 (ten years ago)

Farmer and Ray are now out of the picture. Enter Kyle Lobstein.

"Lobstein's the fifth guy right now," Ausmus said. "We'll see how Lobber, how Kyle throws and we'll go from there."

Andy K, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 12:50 (ten years ago)

the ol' lobber

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 12:52 (ten years ago)

btw i saw a guy at a leather street fair in June wearing a FISTER 58 shirt

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 16:30 (ten years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwjU7PmCMAAyWji.jpg

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:42 (ten years ago)

lance lynn and johnny cueto are ~dealing~

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 September 2014 18:29 (ten years ago)

lol good jinx *pats self on back*

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 September 2014 18:51 (ten years ago)

Sale/Kazmir is a good battle right now.

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 11 September 2014 19:50 (ten years ago)

no shame in gettin shut down by Sale, but damn, poor A's.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 September 2014 21:21 (ten years ago)

They used up all their runs in the second game of the series.

Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 11 September 2014 21:41 (ten years ago)

Johnny Cueto has had a heck of a year one of the best pitching seasons in Reds history but it is kind of lost in Kershaw's big shadow.

earlnash, Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:46 (ten years ago)

Per fWAR Cueto's 2012 was better.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 11 September 2014 23:57 (ten years ago)

that year he was also lost in Kershaw's fshadow.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 September 2014 02:22 (ten years ago)

Felix-Weaver tonight

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:17 (ten years ago)

Bumgarner-Greinke.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 22:49 (ten years ago)

eight months pass...

Price-Cueto atm

Andy K, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 23:29 (ten years ago)

i noticed

prime pitching matchups 2015

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 23:59 (ten years ago)

one month passes...

Didn't realize it was Scherzer-Greinke today; 1-0 Dodgers going into the ninth (Scherzer got lifted after six).

clemenza, Sunday, 19 July 2015 20:26 (ten years ago)

@Lynn_Henning
Chris Archer, Verlander, perfect through 4: combined 12 strikeouts.

Andy K, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 17:05 (ten years ago)

Sale vs Archer tonight

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 4 August 2015 20:53 (ten years ago)

Kershaw-Cole tomorrow is about as marquee as it gets at the moment.

clemenza, Thursday, 6 August 2015 12:17 (ten years ago)

buffalo's randy wolf (7-1, 2.48) vs. charlotte's brad penny (5-5, 3.90) tonight

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 August 2015 15:22 (ten years ago)

I can suggest an umpire.

clemenza, Thursday, 6 August 2015 15:28 (ten years ago)

i predict the pirates get three (3) hits at most off kershaw tonight

mookieproof, Friday, 7 August 2015 23:14 (ten years ago)

lmao 1 pitch

johnny crunch, Friday, 7 August 2015 23:16 (ten years ago)

ok i was wrong, but bases-loaded-no-out-and-no-one-scores makes up for it

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:06 (ten years ago)

totally slothroprhymed that shit

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:55 (ten years ago)

sale/felix friday

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 19 August 2015 16:29 (ten years ago)

KO, Sale. Felix's ERA+ has dropped below 100.

Greinke/Kazmir today--I guess Kazmir counts based on this year.

clemenza, Saturday, 22 August 2015 15:37 (ten years ago)

totally slothroprhymed that shit
--mookieproof

lol how'd I miss that

also, kazmir/greinke def counts

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 22 August 2015 19:17 (ten years ago)

also a couple of "an ace vs...some dude" matchups today - gray/ramirez, cole/leake

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 22 August 2015 19:39 (ten years ago)

Greinke/Bumgarner: two of the best pinch-hitters in the league.

clemenza, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 12:13 (nine years ago)

strasburg v degrom is no slouch tonight

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 23:47 (nine years ago)

ja happ v keyvius sampson tho

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 September 2015 00:05 (nine years ago)

jose fernandez v scherz on fri

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 22:10 (nine years ago)

Kluber-Ventura tnite

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 September 2015 17:03 (nine years ago)

cueto vs. verlander, tanaka vs. matz in addition to scherzerman vs. jose tonight

your "an ace vs. some dude" matchups: greinke vs. locke, madbum vs. de la rosa

aaaaand "a potential ace vs. LOL" matchups: stroman vs. porcello

slothroprhymes, Friday, 18 September 2015 18:16 (nine years ago)

Zito v Hudson on Saturday

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 September 2015 02:04 (nine years ago)

MadBum-Kershaw tonight

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 11:00 (nine years ago)

seven months pass...

Almost marquee; sort of marquee; could've been marquee...I'm down at the game tomorrow night, and will miss Kershaw-Stroman by a day; getting Stroman-Maeda instead. I've had my fingers crossed since we bought the tickets a month ago.

clemenza, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:48 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

Kershaw-Strasburg tomorrow night.

clemenza, Monday, 20 June 2016 01:17 (nine years ago)

For the first time

Andy K, Monday, 20 June 2016 21:06 (nine years ago)

@washingnats
Stephen Strasburg has been scratched from tonight's start vs.the Dodgers with an upper back strain. Yusmeiro Petit will start for the Nats.

Andy K, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 00:47 (nine years ago)

smfh

k3vin k., Tuesday, 21 June 2016 00:53 (nine years ago)

Vin Scully needs to update his Broadway-star references from ...Rex Harrison.

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 02:21 (nine years ago)

vin's stumbled a couple more times than usual tonight

k3vin k., Tuesday, 21 June 2016 02:49 (nine years ago)

just called kershaw "koufax", though he can be forgiven for that one

k3vin k., Tuesday, 21 June 2016 02:50 (nine years ago)

didn't realize we had thor-lester today, tho that was pretty one-sided

k3vin k., Sunday, 3 July 2016 20:14 (nine years ago)

seems like every ace has thrown up a stinker in the last week or so tho

k3vin k., Sunday, 3 July 2016 20:14 (nine years ago)

two weeks pass...

Didn't realize Bumgarner and Tanaka were going at it right now.

clemenza, Friday, 22 July 2016 23:25 (nine years ago)

degrom/jose fernandez tmorrow

johnny crunch, Saturday, 23 July 2016 03:09 (nine years ago)

two weeks pass...

Marquee match-ups 2012: Verlander/Felix. Still a good one, though.

clemenza, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 23:09 (nine years ago)

always a race btwn me & clem to see who revives their marquee thread

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2016 00:25 (nine years ago)

one month passes...

Kershaw-Scherzer must rank up near the top of post-season match-ups historically.

clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2016 12:25 (eight years ago)

This is a rout again rofl

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 October 2016 12:37 (eight years ago)

let's call it Bumgarner vs Naked Bum of Death

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:03 (eight years ago)

six months pass...

Kershaw-Greinke for the first time ever. (That didn't seem right--thought they matched up at least once last year--but I checked and it is.)

clemenza, Friday, 14 April 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)

wacha
tanaka

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/787354661858713600/BsTZIY8d_reasonably_small.jpg

wachatanaka
takawanacha

mookieproof, Friday, 14 April 2017 21:04 (eight years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Frank_Zappa_-_Waka-Jawaka.jpg

mookieproof, Friday, 14 April 2017 21:58 (eight years ago)

ah missed the hypen in the title

k3vin k., Saturday, 15 April 2017 03:10 (eight years ago)

Verlander-Kluber today.

clemenza, Saturday, 15 April 2017 14:38 (eight years ago)

So much for that.

Andy K, Saturday, 15 April 2017 23:33 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

You got an old man match up tonight in Chicago with 40 year old Bronson Arroyo going for the Reds against 38 year old John Lackey against the Cubs. I'm sure Arroyo will be doing high kicks and Lackey will be complaining about strikes. Reds won the first match up in Cincy back in April between these two.

Couldn't find it, but that might have been the first time they faced off.

earlnash, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 22:15 (eight years ago)

kershaw/lynn tonight has been great

k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2017 03:57 (eight years ago)

matt carpenter's year has been weirdly good

k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2017 04:06 (eight years ago)

keuchel v darvish

johnny crunch, Friday, 2 June 2017 19:49 (eight years ago)

three weeks pass...

scherzer v arrieta, first matchup of previous two cy young winners since 2008

mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

sure looks like Arrieta's days as an ace are numbered

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

Scherzer-Carlos Martinez.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 July 2017 17:22 (eight years ago)

lots of good pitchers going today

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)

including the are-they-still-good triumvirate of arrieta, verlander, and quintana

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 July 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)

arrieta was good today

na (NA), Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:38 (eight years ago)

yeah he looked solid, effective but not dominant

k3vin k., Sunday, 2 July 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

verlander somewhat less so

mookieproof, Sunday, 2 July 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)

scherzer has 5 strikeouts through 6, and this cardinals lineup is due for a complete embarrassing implosion so i'd expect several more

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 July 2017 00:41 (eight years ago)

one month passes...

Sale-Sabathia. More like a marquees-passing-in-the-night match-up. And they have the same initials. At least I think they do--I'm not sure.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 August 2017 15:33 (eight years ago)

I was looking at the Red Sox schedule to gauge if I'm going to see Sale, and it looks good; he's scheduled to go on Tuesday, Aug. 29, and I'm down there on the 28/29/30.

Also noticed how close a Sale/Kluber match-up this Thursday is; it would require a Cleveland rainout or, as a gift to the world, holding back Kluber an extra day.

clemenza, Sunday, 20 August 2017 14:34 (eight years ago)

three weeks pass...

Greinke-Bumgarner...who still looks marquee to me, abbreviated season and terrible team aside.

clemenza, Saturday, 16 September 2017 14:00 (seven years ago)

nine months pass...

Severino-Price? Price is having a pretty good year--probably not marquee-level anymore, though.

clemenza, Sunday, 1 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

Kluber/Seve--never mind.

clemenza, Friday, 13 July 2018 05:03 (seven years ago)

one month passes...

against all odds, scherzer/hamels is a good battle so far

na (NA), Monday, 13 August 2018 01:21 (seven years ago)

Kershaw-Bumgarner tonight (almost nostalgic)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

Need David Letterman: Noah, Nola; Nola, Noah.

clemenza, Friday, 17 August 2018 20:09 (seven years ago)

Scherzer-Nola tonight

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 August 2018 14:11 (six years ago)

scherzer with 83 pitches through four innings -- 24 of them fouled off

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 00:41 (six years ago)

lol Neshek

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 02:12 (six years ago)

lester and nola dueling rn

na (NA), Sunday, 2 September 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

deGrom-Sale scheduled for Sunday at Fenway. (tho i guess Sale will go 2 innings)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

3-4 innings, Sox say

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2018 18:24 (six years ago)

Besides the Sale-deGrom partial match-up, there's Verlander/Greinke.

clemenza, Sunday, 16 September 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

Kershaw-Freeland.

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

eleven months pass...

Scherzer-deGrom; definite Cy Young implications.

clemenza, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 23:59 (five years ago)

Freeland? I should stick with actual marquee match-ups.

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 00:00 (five years ago)

Well played, Hyun-jin Ryu.

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 02:49 (five years ago)

four years pass...

Scherzer-Verlander! I rarely root against either of them, but I want the Astros to win 1-0 tonight. (The game is free on mlb.com.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:23 (one year ago)

I want anyone but the Astros to win.

I have to admit, I have been very impressed with Altuve lately.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:25 (one year ago)

Realistically, I think any Jays fan assumes Texas will be easier to stay ahead of.

How's this for complicated wording?

Justin Verlander & Max Scherzer will be the 1st former Cy Young winners to be teammates earlier in a season and THEN face each other later in that season, with both pitching for different teams than where they were teammates

h/t @EliasSports pic.twitter.com/M86VZcw9tm

— Sarah Langs (@SlangsOnSports) September 6, 2023

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:27 (one year ago)

I'm not sure the last bit is even necessary--I would think "1st former Cy Young winners to be teammates earlier in a season and THEN face each other later in that season" would be enough.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:28 (one year ago)

So much for that--Scherzer's getting hammered.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:54 (one year ago)

from reddit:

This was the 19th straight Rangers game without a starting pitcher W. The last time their starter recorded a win was August 15.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 September 2023 03:04 (one year ago)

Cole vs Burnes yesterday did not disappoint.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 11 September 2023 09:18 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

Verlander-Castillo, and two nose-diving teams trying to hang on.

clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2023 21:55 (one year ago)

seven months pass...

shota imanaga (0.84 era, 0.75 whip) vs kutter crawford (0.66 era, 0.99 whip) should be good, if it doesn't get rained out

na (NA), Friday, 26 April 2024 19:06 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

José Berríos and Corbin Burnes underway (Berrios coming off his worst start this year).

clemenza, Monday, 13 May 2024 23:00 (one year ago)

one month passes...

https://i.postimg.cc/gj9BCTzM/sale.jpg

clemenza, Friday, 21 June 2024 22:12 (one year ago)

2024 Cy Young AL candidate Skubal vs. 2024 Cy Young NL candidate Suarez right now in Philly.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 23:14 (one year ago)

May have jinxed Skubal by posting that 😬

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 23:14 (one year ago)

Definitely not.

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 03:22 (one year ago)

Tomorrow at Oracle Park

Hayden Wesneski (CHC) vs
Hayden Birdsong (SF)

Only one other player with first name Hayden (Penn) has appeared in a game in MLB history

— Christopher Kamka (@ckamka) June 26, 2024

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 07:57 (one year ago)

So it begins...

...the dawn of the [#]a(y)den era.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 10:43 (one year ago)

I think the Giants were the first team to run out three Brandons in the same lineup.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/04/three-guys-named-brandon-combine-on-double-play-for-san-francisco-giants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZS9fmkY184

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 10:51 (one year ago)

how many birdsongs have there been?

, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 11:12 (one year ago)

Excellent question, I’m so glad you asked. Besides Hayden, the Pirates have a pitcher, Elijah Birdsong, in high A this year. The Reds drafted Tim Birdsong, a RHP, in 1998 but he stalled after reaching High A (Mudville!) in 2001 and hasn’t pitched since. The Braves released a Cody Birdsong, who was a utility player in low A Augusta, in 2021.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 11:36 (one year ago)

Follow up question: could you field an entire mlb team with bird-based names (will allow Mark Fidrych)

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 13:46 (one year ago)

Who wouldn't get the start, unfortunately: Robin Roberts.

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 13:52 (one year ago)

Starling Marte could pitch...

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 13:59 (one year ago)

Paxton gets an honorary spot in the line-up, as an adopted member

H.P, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 14:04 (one year ago)

after a BR search, i see there are a lot of players with bird-based nicknames

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 16:02 (one year ago)

Any ornery, HOF-caliber closers with a bird nickname?

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 16:56 (one year ago)

Well, you might have to set your sights a little lower

During the 1966 season, when Regan was Walter Alston's favorite pitcher from the Dodger bullpen, teammate Sandy Koufax nicknamed Regan "the Vulture", due to his knack for earning wins in late-inning relief situations.


92 career saves

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 17:46 (one year ago)

(A goose is a bird, right? I'm better at baseball than science.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 21:15 (one year ago)

Yes lol

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 21:22 (one year ago)

Glad you reminded me of Phil Regan, though, whose 14-1 season--which popped into my head without checking--used to fascinate me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 21:24 (one year ago)

I took a breeze through Bref for this:

Jay Jackson (RP)
Jay Bruce (RF/1B)
Jay Buhner (RF)
Jay Bell (SS/2B)

Not going to include every single Jay.

Pete Crow-Armstrong (CF)
George Crowe (1B)

Brandon Duckworth (RHP)

Dennis Dove (RHP)

Jake Bird (RHP)
Doug Bird (RHP)
Birdie Tebbetts (C)
Red Bird (LHP)

Coot Veal (SS)

Phil Cockrell (TWP!)

Joel Finch (RHP)

George Rooks (LF)

Bill Eagle (OF)

Bob Swift (C)
Bill Swift (RHP)

Craig Swan (RHP)
Russ Swann (LHP)

Turkey Stearnes (CF)

Goose Goslin (LF)

Alan Storke (1B/3B/SS)

Mike Gosling (LHP)

Ed Hawk (LHP)

Fred Woodcock (LHP)

Sam Crane (SS/3B)

Eider Torres(SS/2B)

Michael Fulmer (RHP)

Snipe Hansen (LHP)

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 22:00 (one year ago)

i just learned what a coot is!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 22:38 (one year ago)

They rule. They have dinosaur feet.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 22:43 (one year ago)

Stellar work, gyac. Robin Ventura gets the start at third.

clemenza, Thursday, 27 June 2024 02:47 (one year ago)

Skenes vs. Fried coming in about 90 minutes, could be good.

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Saturday, 29 June 2024 18:44 (one year ago)

Didn't see any of it, but certainly lived up to your advance billing. Skenes' ERA is just barely above 2.00.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 June 2024 23:59 (one year ago)

When they put together next year's most-trade-value list, I imagine the two Baltimore guys will be at the top, but even being a pitcher, Skenes will surely follow closely.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2024 00:02 (one year ago)

pretty good battle between paul skenes and aaron civale right now. skenes is no-hitting the brewers and has 9 Ks through 4 innings, but some long at-bats mean he probably won't be in the game more than 6 innings even with the no-hitter. civale has been less dominant but more efficient and has 6 Ks and a shutout

na (NA), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:18 (one year ago)

Yeah, 86 pitches through five--amazing, nonetheless.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:25 (one year ago)

Into the 7th and they're leaving him in--surprised, especially with the Pirates up 1-0 now.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:55 (one year ago)

i don't know, he's been really efficient the last few innings, maybe they'll let him go

na (NA), Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:58 (one year ago)

Wow, that was fast: 7 innings, no hits, 99 pitches.

They should really put someone else out for the 8th; if Skenes has a long inning, but still hasn't given up any hits, it becomes that much harder not to send him out for the 9th.

clemenza, Thursday, 11 July 2024 19:58 (one year ago)

two months pass...

pepiot vs. skubal is a pretty good one going on right now

na (NA), Tuesday, 24 September 2024 18:46 (eleven months ago)

I'll be at Bello/Bowden Francis tonight...that's like 70% marquee at least.

clemenza, Tuesday, 24 September 2024 18:53 (eleven months ago)

gil vs skenes right now

na (NA), Saturday, 28 September 2024 17:26 (ten months ago)

ok never mind they’re taking skenes out early

na (NA), Saturday, 28 September 2024 17:39 (ten months ago)

one month passes...

Imagine buying a ticket to see Randy Johnson vs Greg Maddux, getting to the ballpark, and discovering that they've both been scratched. In place of them, the Dodgers and DBacks started a couple of nobodies. I won't spoil it, just watch the clip:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCSHgKCymsR/?igsh=MWFzbjNieWw3Nmx2MQ==

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 November 2024 19:37 (nine months ago)

five months pass...

Yama vs. Skenes rn in Chavez Ravine

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 26 April 2025 02:18 (four months ago)

Not surprisingly, Skenes' (very good) ERA is 0.7 runs higher than his (excellent) FIP after last night, 2.39 vs. 1.70. He's giving up 6.2 H/9, has a K/BB ratio of 9.75, and has given up one HR in 38 innings.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 April 2025 14:50 (four months ago)

I know the Dodgers are swooning hard but man Skenes made quick work of them and their ~$5T payroll.

Was also watching the Nats/Mets game last night and wondering what the Padres would be like if they hadn't traded Abrams, Wood, and Gore away for 1.3 seasons of Juan Soto.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 26 April 2025 15:11 (four months ago)

one month passes...

good battle between tarik squbal and … ben brown??

na (NA), Saturday, 7 June 2025 00:12 (two months ago)

Play-by-play from the god RICH WALTZ

Andy K, Saturday, 7 June 2025 01:09 (two months ago)

I see the Tigers have the Pirates coming up in a couple of weeks. These two teams have to try to give us the marquee match-up everybody wants.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 June 2025 02:00 (two months ago)

Maybe a chance at Skubal-Skenes? If the Tigers hold Skubal back till Wednesday (5 days rest), it would line up. But I don't know if both teams stick to a straight 4-days-rest rule, in which case they're a day out of sync.

clemenza, Friday, 13 June 2025 22:10 (two months ago)

Skubal Wednesday, Skenes on Thursday. Damn.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 01:33 (two months ago)

Which makes no sense to me. Skenes pitched five innings on the 13th, his usual 95 pitches--does he need five days rest?

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 01:36 (two months ago)

Manfred, nows your time to shine

H.P, Tuesday, 17 June 2025 01:42 (two months ago)

could have had skubal vs skenes today in the doubleheader, but one team or the other or both decided that skubal would start G1 and skenes G2

you can guess which one got a win

mookieproof, Friday, 20 June 2025 00:41 (two months ago)

I know I shouldn't care, but makes me mad! Such a great opportunity to get people excited about the game. But baseball's idea of marketing itself seems to begin and end with hideous City Connect jerseys.

clemenza, Friday, 20 June 2025 01:02 (two months ago)

A few quotes about the missed opportunity:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2025/06/19/tarik-skubal-paul-skenes-detroit-tigers-pittsburgh-pirates/84275172007/

And this great sentence, which I didn't write: "That said, it would have been a marquee matchup."

clemenza, Friday, 20 June 2025 03:46 (two months ago)

free match-up tomorrow: Skenes vs Les Misiorowski

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:19 (two months ago)

two weeks pass...

skenes vs. joe ryan sort of counts, except it just took the latter 34 pitches to get through the first

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 July 2025 00:50 (one month ago)

Skenes and Skubal starting the ASG. That's why they couldn't let that happen last month--had to make sure they saved that for the ASG.

clemenza, Sunday, 13 July 2025 18:47 (one month ago)

Yamamoto-Ray should qualify imo? I don’t know that I’ve ever seen Yamamoto pitch live before (west coast team problems)

from…Peru? (gyac), Sunday, 13 July 2025 19:51 (one month ago)

Most definitely marquee looking at their stats--didn't realize Robbie Ray was having such a good season.

clemenza, Sunday, 13 July 2025 22:07 (one month ago)

Was at the game, Ray was cruising for the first 3 innings (22-23 pitches?) and then all the sudden in innings 4 & 5 he couldn't find the strikezone... you name it: wide, high, passed ball. 2 of the 3 SF all-stars made an appearance which was nice. LA won which was... not nice.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Monday, 14 July 2025 05:18 (one month ago)

Counterpoint:

H.P, Monday, 14 July 2025 06:18 (one month ago)

Gausman-Rodon, maybe. Gausman has been consistently mediocre as of late--Game Scores between 41-54 in seven of his last eight starts.

clemenza, Monday, 21 July 2025 21:43 (one month ago)

both guys that had an elite season in SF and then went straight to the AL East.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 July 2025 23:39 (one month ago)

I'm a day late here, but SI's cover 50 years ago:

https://i.postimg.cc/DwNKhg7W/seaver.jpg

I'm not sure if they were ever matched up head-to-head; Seaver faced Cuellar twice in the '69 WS, and I think Palmer retired before Seaver moved over to the A.L. Those motions...would have been a fine marquee match-up.

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 July 2025 03:39 (one month ago)

Hah, amazing...They overlapped for one season, 1984; Palmer's last year, Seaver with the White Sox. Palmer barely pitched in '84--three starts, 17.2 IP for the season--but one of those starts was against Chicago, and, sure enough--wouldn't doubt that the two teams lined up their rotations so this would happen--Seaver was the opposing starter:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA198404230.shtml

Attendance: 16,939.

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 July 2025 03:46 (one month ago)

i feel like even back then that was very bad

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 July 2025 04:10 (one month ago)

That'd work out to somewhere between 1.3 and 1.4 million for the season, which probably would have been pretty good for the White Sox then (or most teams outside of NY/LA/Boston/Cubs). But considering the match-up, not much. I remember that part of the story that went with that cover was the rough seasons both Seaver and Palmer had in '74; both went on to win the Cy in '75. Palmer pitched 10 shutouts!

Okay--back to Skenes and Skubal and the marquee matchups of today.

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 July 2025 14:22 (one month ago)

two weeks pass...

Kershaw-Scherzer Friday night.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6531078/2025/08/06/clayton-kershaw-max-scherzer-rookie-meeting-diamondbacks-dodgers/?campaign=14496169&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=3098904

(Probably paywalled, sorry.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:34 (three weeks ago)

If you can't read it, here's the punchline of their first match-up as rookies in 2008: "Imagine going to the ballpark to see a game between Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson, but get disappointed they get scratched for a young Max Scherzer and a young Clayton Kershaw." That's who was bumped for them.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:37 (three weeks ago)

wheeler/skubal was a good one from a couple of days ago

, Wednesday, 6 August 2025 23:47 (three weeks ago)

Deinitely--in a world without Paul Skenes, probably the two Cy Young winners (although Sanchez leads the NL in bWAR).

As excited as I am about Scherzer/Kershaw, even if they're both sharp, they're basically five-inning pitchers now. It'd be a miracle if both--maybe even either--lasted into the 7th.

clemenza, Friday, 8 August 2025 14:30 (two weeks ago)

I'm hyping this enough to guarantee that they'll both be knocked out in the second inning:

https://www.mlb.com/news/clayton-kershaw-and-max-scherzer-historic-pitching-matchup

clemenza, Friday, 8 August 2025 23:56 (two weeks ago)

They've each gone 6+ in 3 of their 5 most recent starts! I am romantic enough to believe, seeing the other on the bump is enough to timewarp each individual to their prime selves for one final start

H.P, Saturday, 9 August 2025 00:30 (two weeks ago)

well, it wasn't a miracle but it wasn't 5 innings either. Max was pretty wild and did well to survive a turbulent 1st, did well to limit it to a mookie homerun (fingers crossed he's finally back to form). Kersh threw a typical 2025 start: mostly soft contact, not many strikeouts, lots of nasty breaking stuff outside the zone getting wiffs for a 2 strike weak contact grounder. Got BABIP'd for his 1 run but fair enough when you're working with an arsenal of soft stuff.

H.P, Saturday, 9 August 2025 03:50 (two weeks ago)

Considering where both Scherzer and Kershaw are in their careers, that game more than lived up to the hype.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 9 August 2025 06:41 (two weeks ago)

They were both good. Between the HR and the line-drive DP, felt like the Jays got beat by Betts more than Kershaw--might have been 3-0 if Betts doesn't make that play. Of course, Schneider's catch bailed out Scherzer too.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 August 2025 12:50 (two weeks ago)

I'll probably be miserable all day.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 August 2025 12:51 (two weeks ago)

:(

H.P, Saturday, 9 August 2025 13:03 (two weeks ago)

Gray vs. Imanaga is scratching some itches.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Monday, 11 August 2025 01:40 (two weeks ago)

Gausman (excellent in four of his last five starts) vs. Skenes (Paul Skenes).

clemenza, Monday, 18 August 2025 18:39 (one week ago)

Skubal-Brown (#1 and #3 in A.L. pitching bWAR).

clemenza, Tuesday, 19 August 2025 23:23 (one week ago)

Combined line for Skubal-Brown:

13 IP, 8 H, 5 BB, 16 K, 0 runs (Skubal was better); still 0-0, headed into the 10th.

clemenza, Wednesday, 20 August 2025 01:59 (one week ago)


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