I am now reading Crome Yellow, Aldous Huxley jeune, in a copy that is fast disintegrating into a loose sheaf of pages.
― Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 2 September 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago)
― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago)
― aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
reading:picture of dorian gray
― Fred (Fred), Saturday, 2 September 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
(this is my first post here, yay!)
― Jordan Ruud (JordanR), Saturday, 2 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
― spectra (spectra), Sunday, 3 September 2006 08:08 (eighteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 3 September 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago)
finished 'vineland', have gone back to 'bouvard and pecuchet', a bit of 'schnitzler's century', and am rereading 'the claim of reason'. also, auditing a schopenhauer seminar that starts this week so i'll be reading 'the world as will and representation'.
― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
Also yesterday, Jean-Philippe Toussaint's short Autoportrait (à l'étranger). Just little article like stories of time spent in different cities - Tokyo / Hongkong / Berlin / Prague / etc. Pretty insignificant.
Today, just started Haruki Murakami's Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman. New collection of twenty-four short stories written from the beginning of his career to just last year.
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 September 2006 05:57 (eighteen years ago)
Huh? It's this chap here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James
I didn't even realize he was the brother of Henry!
I already have a sense that I'll need to plough through this book. :-)
I am still reading 1599, and it is still very good, but my concentration is low, so it seems like it's going on for ever. But some really solid historical research and interesting anecdotes. I want to go and watch a whole load of Shakespeare now.
Ah damn it, I should have bought that book!
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago)
Also read the Kite Runner [Khaled Hosseini] and The Accidental [Ali Smith]. Both good.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago)
Also: 'I know where I'm going' by Michael Bracewell and Linder: a guide to the delights of Morecambe Bay, where me and Mrs the Nipper will be spending some time in a couple of weeks. It's a pretty book but extremely insubstantial. I bet MB wrote it in half an hour just before his final deadline.
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 September 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago)
I read this as well. Due to my VU obsession, I guess. I'm not interested in the upcoming movie though.
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)
Is that the Plimpton oral biography?
― Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago)
heh. well, it's big jimmy. the erected version. ;-)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago)
I somehow got the impression that young Huxley stitched together a jumble of his university papers and some ideas tossed around in his late-night bull sessions, into a loose, rather plotless, framework and dropped the result on his publisher, who was demanding a new MS at once, in order to take advantage of the success of Huxley's first book as swiftly as he could. In spite of all that, it succeeds in overcoming its many weaknesses and being quite amusing and enjoyable.
― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)
Last book I read was Turgenev's Fathers & Sons. I'm pretty sure the old Norwegian translations of 19th Century Russian novels are generally the most readable books I know of - at least when there aren't too many names to keep track of. I love how he shot in a quick glance at how the poor viewed Bazarov.Slowly reading "The Selfish Gene" now. Dawkins is frustrating when he gets on his pedestal in the media (which frankly is every time he is in the media), but his pop science writing is excellent.
― Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)
I can assure you, the MB I know would never do such a thing.
Finished re/reading Downriver the other day. So dense; the English GR, I think, with good and bad connotations of that thought. Sinclair is awfully stagey when he tries to fictionalize. But he remains, or already was, terrific when simply writing about ... reality: places, objects, journeys.
Started Lanark; still not much over 100pp in; not quite sure whether to continue, really.
I have read surprisingly a lot in the last couple of months, but the post I wrote about it last week wouldn't send, so you don't know about it.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago)
― joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)
Jaq, now we know the source of those many distractions... good luck in your move back to Seattle and the possibly fantastic new job there.
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago)
Pinefox, could you be the one to buck the ILB trend on Lanark?
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 7 September 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago)
I am reading The Year of Magical Thinking by Hey Joni Didion.
I could not get on with Titus Groan. Is this normal?
I have read The Road to Los Angeles by John Fante. It was good, but not as good as Ask the Dust or the last part of the quartet whose title I have forgotten. There was a lot of cruelty to animals.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:43 (eighteen years ago)
The former is interesting because it features a teacher of literature who is neither inspired nor inspirational, thank goodness for that.
― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago)
― Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)
I didn't know there was an ILB trend re. Lanark - ie: I thought everyone liked it!
'Lacquered dandy'. I have to admit, JtN is keeping the faith with RB, admirably.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 7 September 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago)
Too often he'll be doing his regular Greil Marcus thing, getting into close analysis of some passage (mostly of film, in this book) and just when you're waiting for him to slam a point home, he seems to run out of steam. The example that springs to mind is where he talks at some length about the opening sequence of "Blue Velvet", and all this build up leads to (my paraphrase from memory, apols) "it's not making the familiar strange, it's getting at how familiar the familiar is." Which seems either facile or not thought-through, or maybe a bit of both.
I should add that I know a sum total of NOWT about film, don't watch many films, very very rarely read film criticism, so maybe I'm missing something obvious and valuable. (There are many other reasons I might miss something obvious, of course, mostly brain-related.)
Towards the end of the book I felt myself willing him on: "make your point MAKE YOUR POINT" and when no great big slam-dunk of a point was made I was a little frustrated. It was the right thing, though: the book's equation goes "here's America's founding mythos" + "here's how America conducts itself" = ____________________ make your own mind up about right and wrong.
A week tomorrow I'll be in Tennessee, so this counts as homework, by the way.
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:15 (eighteen years ago)
Finished the Edie Sedgwick biography this morning. If the word 'fabulous' had been omitted, it would have been half the size. Many of the people interviewed appeared more keen to talk about themselves, "so Edie asked me what Andy Warhol should do next - I said, well what about silk screen printing? Well, look what happened!"
Edie took astounding amounts of drugs.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago)
― aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:15 (eighteen years ago)
Mikey: my homework's totally allowed, in so far as it means "books I've read set in places I'm to visit", so ner.
If anyone can recommend me some Chicago homework, btw, I'm all ears. Pref something more or less contemporary.
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago)
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago)
Tim, in re: Chicago. Grab one of Mike Royko's old books and skim around in it. It's entertaining journalism, so it tastes great while being less filling. Warning: whether or not it impresses your professor as "research" should be considered a crapshoot, but it ought to be fun and somewhat illuminating.
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Vacillatrix (x Jeremy), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago)
... !!! BOUGHT !!!
I'm reading the one unpacked book, Jonathan Ames' Wake Up, Sir!, which is just the type of light amusement I need right now.
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago)
Usually I wind up running out of boxes, but this time I've got extra that I didn't need. (I'd send them to you but it's surely not practical...)
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 8 September 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)
Re Chicago, you could try something by Nelson Algren (Man with the Golden Arm, Walk on Wild Side (not set in Chicago), but his Chicago: City on the Make looks intriguing.
http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-50th-Anniversary-Newly-Annotated/dp/0226013855/sr=8-1/qid=1157758004/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6152321-6620708?ie=UTF8&s=books
For short Chi stories you could try his Neon Wilderness.
Currently doing Cali homework: bios of William Hearst, art book about Hearst Castle, The Times We Had (frothy Marion Davies bio), The Barbary Coast--Herbert Asbury's take on San Fran, and The Return of the Player by Michael Tolkien, cheesy Hollywood novel with just enough gravitas to divert me through the hour and half between work and an eye appointment.
For the sour side of the Irish American dream in Chi, you could read Studs Lonigan by James Ferrell, but it's really long. I read it for a class; I'm not sure I would have kept with it otherwise.
― Mary (Mary), Friday, 8 September 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago)
― Ray (Ray), Saturday, 9 September 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago)
The Word in the World: Evangelical, Writing, Publishing and Reading In America 1789-1880 by Candy Gunther Brow
an amazing, important, adn vital work, that has the usual things to say about culture and god, but unusual things to say about the history of american publishing, copyright, methodism, protestant hymonody and its role as a theological bellwether, women's writing, paedology, abolotionism, and any number of other things.
its interesting, because it seems like a solid paper could be written about things she discusses in a paragraph.
it seems really specialised, but relgious history is american history, and this is one of the better works ive found on the subject.
― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 07:37 (eighteen years ago)
is the new translation of bouvard and pecuchet' and if so, is it worth picking up ?
― anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 07:46 (eighteen years ago)
Light train reading, you know?
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 9 September 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)
Just about finished with Asleep in the Sun by Adolfo Bioy Casares. Another strange, funny, novel - that makes one slightly unsettled since it never walks on firm ground - or at least I'm not really sure where it's going. It's a mystery without being a mystery book - just an odd domestic tale.
By the way, how does one pronounce Bioy?
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)
― JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Saturday, 9 September 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Saturday, 9 September 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago)
That does sound really cool. You will give us the URL so we can all look at stuff on it, won't you? I finished 1599. God, it was just great. Now I'm reading Patrick O'Brian's The Golden Ocean. It is a non-Aubrey Maturin novel about a couple of Irish lads who join Anson's famous 1740s voyage around the world. It's just great. You forget how funny Patrick O'Brian was, in an almost PG Wodehouse way. It's hard for me not to read it every single second, but I'm trying to eke it out as long as I can, because this really is the last O'Brian novel available to me. Sadness.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 10 September 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 10 September 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 10 September 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago)
― youn (youn), Sunday, 10 September 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 11 September 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago)
oooh never heard of that one. what's it about?
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 11 September 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago)
Currently reading: Hilary Mantel, Beyond Black
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 11 September 2006 06:59 (eighteen years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 11 September 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago)
At the moment I am reading Hocus Pocus bij Vonnegut and The Fahrenheit Twins (short stories) from Michel Faber. I like both.
― Ionica (Ionica), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago)
Also bought a lovely Thames and Hudson coffeetable book on the sleeve designs for Factory Records.
Plus re-reading lots of local history books with titles like Hidden Hackney and Lost Houses of Waltham Forest. Open House next weekend in London and it has pricked my historical interest.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:55 (eighteen years ago)
I've only just realised that "The Winshaw Legacy" is presumably a foreign title for What A Carve-Up!. Which is, indeed, a very good book, albeit slightly depressing.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:05 (eighteen years ago)
― Ray (Ray), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:09 (eighteen years ago)
My copy has a hole through most of the pages (looks like someone's jabbed it with a sicle, hah) which occasionally makes me have to figure out what word is supposed to be in the hole's place.
I had to stop when I read the line "young men resentfully waiting for their dates to arrive."* Stared at that adverb a bit. Realized it probably said "respectfully."Such adventures I have in literature!
*I'm at work, so that's a paraphrase.
― Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago)
― Meg Busset (Mog), Monday, 11 September 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago)
I have just bought, with my money, and at no discount, The Word Virus, a William Burroughs Reader.
It is for my holidays next week.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago)
Thanks for the Chicago tips, chaps. Aimless: ILB is my professor.
― Tim (Tim), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)
Also a book of Erik Satie's writings.
― xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago)
Quite, quite good?
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)
it seems to me that generally the spirituality which is, well, duh, all over it, is overplayed, and the deep sense of history (& the nearness of it) is underplayed
it is overplayed (my b/f's mother called it "faux wise" on the basis of reading just a few pages of it) but it's completely written in character so it sits well and it TOTALLY CONNECTS for me. a truly amazing book.
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)
...and we're damned easy graders, too!
― Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 03:18 (eighteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 11:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago)
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago)
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago)
Also I recently finished Brief Interviews w/ Hideous Men.
― vignt regards (vignt_regards), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago)
The Pleasure of Eliza Lynch by Anne Enright and being reminded a bit of Gabriel Garcia Marquez but not really getting into the story.
The Tattoo Murder Case by Akimitsu Takagi and not enjoying the translation much but what do I know.
From Here to Maternity by Mel Giedroyc and WHAT POSSESSED ME. Still it filled a morning when I was incapable of doing anything else other than weep hormonally into my tea.
― Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago)
My local second hand bookshop had two books by Haldor Laxness in today(I forget the titles) which I think I'll pop back and buy to read next, I'm told they're good.
― Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)
It's been a zillion years and I still haven't bothered to get S*PeRM**K*T, despite always finding it interesting when I've leafed through it in a bookstore. I haven't read any of her books, although I've seen her read some of those Dictionary poems. I also haven't read any Yau despite him being a friend of a friend.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)
u.k. cover of pessl's book:
http://www.penguincatalogue.co.uk/image.cache?titleId=2256&fw=200
u.s. cover of pessl's book:
http://www.pastemagazine.com/images/articles/3184_image_1.jpg
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
I haven't, but a relative just sent me a copy and I was thinking about reading it next, since I have no life right now 'cause I'm taking care of ailing critters.
I kinda like the cover art - and am annoyed by it at the same time.
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago)
Just finished A Personal Matter by Kenzaburo Oe (very good) and Fathers and Sons by Turgenev (really freaking dull).
― Jenny O (secret squirrel), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago)
I don't really.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago)
Now I am about halfway into The Year of Magical Thinking, Joan Didion. At this point (roughly 130 pp. into it, if I recall correctly) what strikes me most is how she makes a tacit pledge that the book will be about grief, her own grief, but more than anything else so far, it seems to be about her reticence to confront her grief.
She speaks openly about this reticence as it happened during the period the book covers, when her husband died one night at dinner, and her daughter was gravely ill for months, and she incorporates it as a theme of the book.
But, also, perhaps unintentionally, the prose style is so spare and the details so few, that it fairly shouts out that she was still, while writing, controlling her emotions by a force of applied will in order to write about the subject at all. This gives the book a weird force, but also drives its major subject matter into down her many silences and reticences, even as she attempts to convince you she is being revelatory.
Over and over she refuses to grasp the nettle. She gives hints about the pain she felt. She will drop in a personal detail and then retreat at once to speak at length of her past, before the death, before the disease, before the pain.
I shall have to see how she ends it. At the midway point, however, this is the most prominent feature of the book in my eyes.
― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago)
― mj (robert blake), Friday, 15 September 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago)
I like her in general, but something holds me back from reading The Year of Magical Thinking.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 15 September 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago)
― SRH (Skrik), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:36 (eighteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago)
― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Sunday, 17 September 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:52 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)
mills and boon (don't ask)
tom stoppard's new play (bloody great)
my cousin, my gastroentologist (it was alright)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 09:00 (eighteen years ago)
― Meg Busset (Mog), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:01 (eighteen years ago)
I *did* finish A Tragic Honesty, bio of Richard Yates, which I thought well done and very moving if slighly depressing (a bit like his fiction, in fact). I don't read a huge amount of literary biography, but Yates's very autobiographical fiction made me want to know more about his life. The critical observations were nicely restrained, focussing on Yates's craftsmanship and avoiding self-indulgent "interpretation". I've also been reading Neil Gaiman's novels; I'm not sure I would want to make a case for them as anything more than enjoyable light reading, but I liked them. Neverwhere is easily the best, more tightly constructed, original and and fully imagined than American Gods or Anansi Boys. The Blyton-for-adults whimsy of Stardust worked well enough for me, but I can imagine it might be a minority taste.
I failed to finish Joe Haldeman's The Forever War, which I thought well done as far as I got but had too much of a Boys Own obsession with military life and boys' toys. This is not a weakness of the book, just a turn off for me personally - I seem to have completely missed out on the gene that makes boys interested in Airfix kits and Commando comics and I would have needed it to enjoy this. For different reasons I couldn't get through Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed. Again as far as I got, well-written by a ferociously intelligent and serious writer but this kind of abstract, Utopian, political novel of ideas tends to feel oppressive to me (part IV of Gullivers Travels excepted) and I start to miss humanity. Atmospherically it started to remind me of Hesse's tedious The Glass Bead Game and at that point claustrophobia got the better of me. I also lost patience with PKDs Valis, too gloomy, too idiosyncratic, too personal, too badly written.
Having struggled to finish a few books I've turned to a safe bet for my next read, Murakami's Kafka on the Shore. The untypical Norwegian Wood apart, Murakami usually promises more than he delivers, but at least he's (almost) always fun to read.
― frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
― frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago)
it's a novel i like quite a bit, mostly as a deliberate subversion of starship troopers: i'd like to say "starship troopers and its ilk" but i've not really read a lot of the ilk. the stuff with the power armour and such, though, the point is (at least partly) that there are Oh Wow Power Armour What A Cool Idea bits in older books that haldeman is replacing with power armour you forget you're wearing and end up breaking your arm. i think. it's one of those SF fixups, too: novelistically the nut of it ought to be all the stuff that happens when they get back from each tour of duty, but the tours themselves end up disproportionate kinda due to being, well, already written and incorporatable. it's also one of the better american vietnam novels.
the dispossessed, tho, eh. preeeeeeetty dull.
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago)
― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago)
― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)
Cf the Cobra trilogy, by Timothy Zahn. Which I unashambedly like quite a lot.
― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago)
― Josh (Josh), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago)
Usually I am put off by any book so full of romantic idealism as this one is. Somehow or other he managed to keep me on the hook to the end. I suppose it is because he successfully walked a fine line between overly prettifying the reality of life and overly uglifying it. Or maybe it is because I was raised by an idealist and briefly reverted to my roots. Anyway, I found it was a readable book.
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)
― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 23 September 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago)
"The Littlest Hitler" by Ryan Boudinot--short stories, a little hit or miss"Permanent Visitors" by Kevin Moffett--can't wait to start. won the iowa short fiction prize recently.
― Jimmy_tango (Jimmy_tango), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago)
I went to grad school w/ Chris Adrien-- very cool guy. I used to watch Star Trek: Voyager every week with him & Nathan Englander (another author everyone should check out.)
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)
& on the Lit side only 'Zorba the Greek' and some short stories. Also I've been making my way through a bound volume of Partisan Reviews from 1948--it's bliss: the recurring book reviewers are John Berryman, Lionel Trilling and Leslie Fiedler.
― ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago)
― SRH (Skrik), Sunday, 24 September 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago)
Now I'm reading The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters by Grdon Dahlquist and I can't decide if it's wonderful escapism or ... ?
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 25 September 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago)
Ummmm ... care to elaborate a wee bit?
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 25 September 2006 10:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago)
the introduction makes claims for its literary value on "depth of characterisation" and all that, which seems totally off the mark. the narrator in particular seems to exist as a collection of dislocated fetishes and not so much else. i mean, totally deliberately, obviously. which might be the logical endpoint for a pornographic narrator, or something, tho that's probably trying to hard.
it was interesting to see the one-bare-foot-and-bitten-nails show up in a context where they're less, uh, emasculated symbols. they will presumably read rather different in all the others now. actually i'd been expecting delany's porn novel (before i uh looked at the back cover and thought "okay, probably not") to be more like 'stars in my pockets...' which also has a whole bunch of sexual encounters as one of the main focuses of the uh plot, tho way less explicitly: those are set in a liberated & utopian SF society delany sets up, tho, which makes it kind of an interesting opposite to hogg, probably.
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago)
is infamous, unpublishable piece of pornography, in a nifty trade paperback. found my attention dragging and had difficulty fininshing--what was interesting was hwo it lacked all of the usual redemptive modes for porn, including literary qaulity, social meritt, satire or political implications.unlike salo (which is continually discussed as a metaphor about fascism and italy) or de sade (who has a decadent refinement, whose sex is an act of ritual, and whos desires are coded socially) or batille (who is too much of a linguist) or miller (who tries to hard to prove he can write) there is flatness, blankness, filth, and exhaustion in the writing. it is american in its place settings (docks, pick up trucks, roadhouses, tennements) and language (esp in its racial ephihets) and in its sexual concerns but thats b/c delany is american...
the other interesting thing, is that all of the porn pulp ive read, the written stories found in things like front hand, or in books like brother lovers, etc published by people who do nothing but stroke books, the book is badly paced. pulp porn is picaresque, as a general rule, with thinly strung together set peices--the set peices function as exciting bits of fast moving action, and the plot is just the tracks. good pulp is intended to be consumed incredibly quickly, so that the formaulae of the work or the language is not noticed. there is no plot here, and little set peices, its endless piss games, shit playing, cock sucking, grinding the reader into paste. there is something to be said for the structual analysis of paralit that hes engaging in, but that structure has a person. (reading work by people who are crazy, who want all of their baggage in one place, and whos interior logic has no external referents is a lot like reading hogg--it has no connection to the reader whatsoever.)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago)
- is in fact a photocopy of delany's significant other's semen.
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago)
I never recommend Hogg for anyone to read, but if they're going to read it, I do recommend that they press through to the end. Spoilers! Because the real question is whether you laughed at the end. There is something I suppose conceptually beautiful in the pornographic book that, sure, carries some of the formal elements of pornography -- the need to keep raising the stakes, and having sexual gratification as the only real motivating force for [most of] its characters -- but having the whole thing be boring and empty and end not with an orgasm but with a punchline. I think it manages to tread that line between boring and unreadably boring, so that it's not all the difficult to get through it, but it does feel empty along the way. And that's not at all the sort of pornography I'd expect from Delany, or the sort of attitude I'd expect from him, but it's one that resonates with me, so I like that about the book. And the punchline ending, which hit me very hard because even though it's a bit obvious I guess, I wasn't really expecting it, redeemed the whole book for me.
The Mad Man is problematic in entirely different ways. I haven't tracked down Equinox yet.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
hogg didn't get published until the 90s, although it was finished before dhalgren was published. so i'm pretty sure that's first ed, maybe i misread the interview. (which is mostly about the publishing history of delany's porn. equinox is i think in print as 'the tides of lust'. (far worse title.) delany says that the guy who commissioned him to write that one - which led to his writing hogg, too - was doing a whole pornography line based on giving literary authors complete freedom to write what they wanted, as long as, basically, there was sex all through the middle.)
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago)
I am reading Egil's saga, and the Bible. For school. Different classes, sadly.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)
― SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 28 September 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago)
I have picked up Saturday again. I wonder if I will get any further with it.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago)
― justine paul (justine), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:47 (eighteen years ago)
Tom, Egil is the one who avenges his uncle's mistreatment by King Harald of Norway. At least, I'm pretty sure that's where it going.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)
― Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago)
― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago)
Oh, da Peej, you so funny. Mister Monkey would not like to hear you talk of Suetonius in that way.
Kia ora, Justine. Or something.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago)
― wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)
I'm a Chch expat in Canada, btw.
― franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 28 September 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago)
― justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago)
When I am rich, I will move to Christchurch and stay there forever, with a little holiday home way up north in Pahia, to give me the excuse to go on the ferry and stop off in Picton periodically. Sigh.
Anyway, I've just finished reading a book of short stories by Irish authors called These Are Our Lives. It is a super book, covering all the bases of actual modern Irish writing, including post-apocalyptic holidays in Spain, romantic oldy-Irelandy dreams about horses, legging around Europe on the doss, and casual sex in soulless apartment buildings. Top quality stuff. Naturally, as with all books of short stories, there was one long, boring one, but for the most part this book zips along. I recommend it.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago)
― justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)
I don't know what JAFAs are. But I didn't see any of those things when I was in Christchurch. I'm willing to believe it has its problems, and certainly the area my cousin lived in seemed, er, euphemistically colourful. But it's still a nice place. I like small cities. I liked Wellington too, especially the bookshops.
How was away, Tim?
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago)
― Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)
― Matt (Matt), Friday, 29 September 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago)
accentmonkey: JAFA = just another fucking aucklander :)
― franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago)
― franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)
have just picked up Catch-22, am about 100pages in but finding it difficult and slightly confusing, although it is quite funny. since its a "classic" im trying to persist.
― justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
just had a skim read of the thread "summarise a novel in 25 words" - i haven't laughed so hard in a looong time... book-geeks have the best sense of humour...
― justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago)
― Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 September 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago)
Some of the story cycles referenced in the trickster book regarding the way that the human body came to be as it is, particularly the intestines and penis, are hilarious.
Saragossa isn't as convoluted as I thought it would be. Cracking book, regardless.
― mj (robert blake), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)
Lanark
Slouching Towards Bethlehem
The White Album
For Esme With Love & Squalor
and I didn't like any of them as much as I would have liked, might have hoped. I liked the idea of them, but the actualities didn't always match that.
Lanark I thought deeply impressive at the end - but it took ablkut 400 pages to reach that stage. For a long time it dragged, and didn't do much to drag me along. I liked it most at its most metafictional, and when it was most explicit about its political ideas, its desire for and interrogation of utopia. It *did* feel important and worthwhile, but did it have to be so long?
Joan Didion disappoints me - because she seems to offer so much, and is acclaimed in such encouraging quarters. I have read more of her than I have of most writers. But all four volumes I've finished haven't altogether convinced. Leaving aside the fiction, these two essay collections both strike me as immature, brittle, underachieved to a surprising degree. I like them too, in a way, like them a lot. But maybe I like the idea of them and of her, more than I like the actuality of what she has to say. She can be such a reactionary: never mind her essay on feminism, and her enduring fascination with military graveyards, the piece on LA traffic management seems to me just a slice of right-wing anti-statist satire. Maybe the title essay 'StB' is better; I read it with Dylan Live 1966 and a bottle of red wine, which went down pretty well. But even here, I think I was troubled by her relation to the people she wrote about. She wants to appear so wise, and for others to appear so foolish, as they bob amid her cool simple sentences. But after a while this technique doesn't seem so wise - it seems evasive, egotistical, snide. I am trying to think of pieces I liked. 'On The Morning After the Sixties' - in theory; but even that is rather reactionary. 'The White Album' itself: maybe that's as good as she gets? And the last piece in StB, on NYC - that moved me some.
She has been fortunate in her admirers.
The Salinger I started many years ago, have read in bits, thought I had better finish - so at least I've now read all the published fiction. The last two stories, again, disappointed. 'Teddy', I think that's the last one - the boy who has Hindu cosmic awareness; jeez, surely this is JDS at his worst. I am torn. I like this book, I like to like it, like to have it on my shelves. But what's actually good about it?
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago)
― frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)
this is appealing! but i'm not entirely sure it's fitting.
didion's detachment is maybe a result of attempting to write her depression, not eliminate it from the written account of her experiences. whether that's right or not i dunno. her isolation is troubling but sorta compelling. her isolation from haight-ashbury kids, the suggestion that there is no 'movement', is convincing to me. but then her isolation from/dismissal of the feminist movement i find slightly repugnant, hard to process.
i'm not entirely sure who those people-who-matter are meant to be, seeing as how they don't seem to include any of the artistic figures or politicians she's written about. (that i've read her writing about.)
(maybe i think i'd prefer your metaphor if you worked aliens into it. she sometimes seems to be looking upon the human species like a zoological observer from mars.)
― tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)
This is not how I read her. i think she's hyper-aware of the "problem" of a journalist's detachment from her subjects and she's really worried about the condescension inherent in romanticizing them (compare her to Capote on this, for example). She often strikes me as really sympathetic to those she writes about, especially when they're women, for example in "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" (I love that essay) and the one about Joan Baez. But it's an intellectualized, detached sympathy for sure: I think that that's in part a function of her personality (she's often talked about her shyness and how hard calling up people for interviews is for her) and in part an ethical decision. again, compare "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" to In Cold Blood on this.
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)
well, because it's honest!! right?
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)
The claim that her style of presenting other people might be caused by shyness or depression / mental problems seems to me probably true - mainly because she virtually says as much early in both collections/ But the fact that we might be able to *explain* the style doesn't *justify* it, does it? If reader A says 'I don't like William Burroughs' incoherent, babbling writing', and reader B says: 'you have to understand that this is because he took lots of drugs' - then reader B is correct, but the claim doesn't necessarily make Burroughs any better.
I agree that it's hard to say who does 'matter' in her world, except perhaps soldiers.
re. her relation to the 1960s counter-culture: I don't think she says 'there was no movement' - if anything she says it's more political and more dangerous than the media understand? But she does make it seem ... weak, foolish, immature, half-baked. She seems sceptical about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that: I think it must be an important truth about that culture - and perhaps her judgement thus endures better than more excitable ones.
BUT - she also writes about the period in apocalyptic terms. Here's the first paragraph of that essay:
The center was not holding. It was a country of bankruptcy notices and public-auction announcements and commonplace reports of casual killings and misplaced children and abandoned homes and vandals who misspelled even the four-letter words they scrawled. It was a country in which families routinely disappeared, trailing bad checks and repossession papers. Adolescents drifted from city to torn city, sloughing off both the past and the future as snakes shed their skins, children who were never taught and would never now learn the games that had held the society together.
And there's more of this in the intro the book, I think; so, she is prone to sensationalism herself?
Horseshoe says that JD is 'ethical' compared to Capote because he romanticizes violent criminals and she remains detached. In that kind of case, this surely makes sense. But -- not all of the people she writes about are violent criminals! There's no need to remain so detached from them - and there must be a middle ground between romanticization and the way she deals with them, which too often seems contemptuous to me.
And she *does* romanticize John Wayne (and co? I think) - in an essay which might have seemed original and distinctive before David Thomson wrote, but now seems somewhat second-hand and limited.
I don't think we should get fixated on this particular problem with Didion, when I think there are others. But I guess a lot of it does come to down to a) banality; a failure to tell us anything really incisive or thought-provoking: as though 'blank' reportage is always enough; b) a sense of superiority, a much too frequent implicit sneer; c) the reactionary attitudes mentioned above. In truth, I still think Amis on Didion is a more compelling piece than any piece I've read by Didion. Gosh, do I really think that? I fear that I do.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago)
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)
Fair enough: she does romanticize Wayne, but she doesn't really have a choice; he sort of comes pre-romanticized for her and for her readers, which is pretty much what that essay's about. I've never read Thomson, though, so I can't speak to that essay being derivative. I find it insightful.
I wasn't trying to suggest that Didion isn't romantic in some larger sense; it's completely true that the passage you quoted is apocalyptic-sounding, as is a lot of StB. I don't find that "sensationalistic" (I'm sure they felt like pretty apocalyptic times!) and I don't think it changes the fact that she is committed to registering the isolation of the reporter vis-a-vis the subject. To me, this keeps the people she writes about real and protects them somehow.
I can't help feeling that you and I are characterizing her writing in an entirely opposite way, Pinefox, so maybe there's nothing more to say. I will admit that the new journalism of that period makes me really uncomfortable, even when it's written beautifully, as Capote's work usually is, and I view Didion as an antidote because she's so scrupulous. And she writes beautifully.
I'm really glad this came up; it's making me want to reread her. Maybe I'll have more to say once I do.
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago)
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago)
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/103/didion-per-harrison.html
― frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago)
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)
I really don't get the "cold, cold heart" school of criticism. (I heard a professor once complain about Jane Austen for similar reasons. which seems to be entirely missing the point.) does it get applied to male writers, too?
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago)
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
Distant but at least topical comparison: Borat - taking c.2 hours of footage and showing 30 seconds to make passer-by / real person look sillier than they really did.
I was not saying that Didion was derivative of Thomson - he comes after her and reveres her. Just that once you've read him, her take on movies doesn't seem so great. Though I don't mean 'In Hollywood', which is kind of interesting - though also sneering and nasty.
Once again: I quite agree that Amis *in general* is annoying - the point is about this particular essay, and the valid or at least interesting things he has to say in it.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago)
PS / I have to countenance the possibility that LATE Didion - much admired, Indian summer, crowning moments of career etc - might be better than early.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago)
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
Thomson adores Democracy.
I have Where I Was From on a shelf at home. I have heard good things about it, which may be better than reading it. I have found it difficult to bring myself to read about Didion's ancestors. I like the cover, though. It is nicely designed and she looks good on it.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago)
This is her appeal in a nutshell.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago)