September 2006 - What are you reading?

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I finished The Unbearable Bassington by Saki. It was a short story drawn out to the length of a novella, and the ending was quite awkwardly out of sorts with the remainder of the piece. First it veered toward pathos and failed to hit its mark, and then it lurched toward irony, and (surprisingly for Saki) failed to hit that mark, either. Otherwise, the first 125 pages were quite fine.

I am now reading Crome Yellow, Aldous Huxley jeune, in a copy that is fast disintegrating into a loose sheaf of pages.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 2 September 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

I just finished "The Winshaw Legacy" by Jonathan Coe. It was published in 1994 - I picked it up at a yard sale.
Great book! Should I know more about this author? I really loved this book!
I'm starting "We Were The Mulvaneys" now. I'm always at least two years behind the list....oh well.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

I also picked up "The Descent" at a yard sale, and...for a snacky read, I really liked it. I'm very low brow when it comes to snacks - Pringles and a fat paperback and some chocolate..I'm happy.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Saturday, 2 September 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

just finished:
arthur & george
ludmila's broken english

reading:
picture of dorian gray

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 2 September 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

on the verge of finishing Hugh Kenner's The Pound Era, but sort of forsaking it for Henry Green's Loving which I'm liking a whole lot more. Feyerabend's Against Method is also taunting me from the next room.

(this is my first post here, yay!)

Jordan Ruud (JordanR), Saturday, 2 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Blood Meridian Cormac McCarthy - loving it to bits

spectra (spectra), Sunday, 3 September 2006 08:08 (eighteen years ago)

willliam james - principles on psychology
biography of english or is it history of english? can't remember

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 3 September 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

hey nathalie is it 'big jimmy' or 'little jimmy'?


finished 'vineland', have gone back to 'bouvard and pecuchet', a bit of 'schnitzler's century', and am rereading 'the claim of reason'. also, auditing a schopenhauer seminar that starts this week so i'll be reading 'the world as will and representation'.

Josh (Josh), Sunday, 3 September 2006 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Finishing up Baker's The Fermata. Spent all Saturday reorganizing my library into genres -> alphabetized, so now I can actually find whatever I want and read it next (which will either be The Olympia Press Reader or Grove Press Reader ... forgot I had them!).

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Yesterday, Kenneth Grahame's The Wind in the Willows. I guess I'd never read it before (I can't remember). I'm not so keen on the idea of Mole / Frog / etc / arming themselves with guns and treating the horse like a slave - there's a lot of weird things about the book that don't really make sense, there's a weird lack of logic to their world - but the language is impressive / often delightful.

Also yesterday, Jean-Philippe Toussaint's short Autoportrait (à l'étranger). Just little article like stories of time spent in different cities - Tokyo / Hongkong / Berlin / Prague / etc. Pretty insignificant.

Today, just started Haruki Murakami's Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman. New collection of twenty-four short stories written from the beginning of his career to just last year.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

There was a great review in the SF Chronicle a couple weeks ago.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago)

Er ... There was a great review of Blind Willow, Sleeping Woman in the SF Chronicle a couple weeks ago.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Sunday, 3 September 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

I am still reading 1599, and it is still very good, but my concentration is low, so it seems like it's going on for ever. But some really solid historical research and interesting anecdotes. I want to go and watch a whole load of Shakespeare now.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 September 2006 05:57 (eighteen years ago)

"hey nathalie is it 'big jimmy' or 'little jimmy'?"

Huh? It's this chap here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James

I didn't even realize he was the brother of Henry!

I already have a sense that I'll need to plough through this book. :-)

I am still reading 1599, and it is still very good, but my concentration is low, so it seems like it's going on for ever. But some really solid historical research and interesting anecdotes. I want to go and watch a whole load of Shakespeare now.

Ah damn it, I should have bought that book!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago)

A biography of Edie Sedgwick.

Also read the Kite Runner [Khaled Hosseini] and The Accidental [Ali Smith]. Both good.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

'Late Call' by Angus Wilson: for research purposes and not the kind of thing I would normally pick up, but oddly enjoyable.

Also: 'I know where I'm going' by Michael Bracewell and Linder: a guide to the delights of Morecambe Bay, where me and Mrs the Nipper will be spending some time in a couple of weeks. It's a pretty book but extremely insubstantial. I bet MB wrote it in half an hour just before his final deadline.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 September 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities and Software by Steven Johnson

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

A biography of Edie Sedgwick.

I read this as well. Due to my VU obsession, I guess. I'm not interested in the upcoming movie though.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

nathalie, i was referring to the book - at one time students referred to the two-volume version as 'big jimmy' and the condensed version as 'little jimmy'.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

"A biography of Edie Sedgwick"

Is that the Plimpton oral biography?

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

It's edited by George Plimpton with Jean Stein if that's what you mean?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

Or were you being saucy, you frisky thing?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 4 September 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

does "jimmy" mean the same thing over there? or should this place get its hivemind out of the uh hivegutter?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 4 September 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just starting "At-Swim-Two-Birds". It seems like there are a lot of Flann O'Brien fans here but I didn't see a dedicated thread. Is it worth starting one?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 September 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

i don't know about back when the usage was current but it sure means that now.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

you should start one, jordan.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 4 September 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

Shirley Hazzard's The Evening of the Holiday. It was the first of her books I've read and I liked it a lot, even though (for the most part) I'm sick of the stories of the summer long love affairs of the rich on vacation in Italy (or France). Somehow, she does it a little different - partially by leaving out many of the major scenes you would expect in this type of novel - and partially by the way she weaves in and out between the thoughts and conversations of several characters - and the way thought and conversation bounce off each other.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:36 (eighteen years ago)

does "jimmy" mean the same thing over there? or should this place get its hivemind out of the uh hivegutter?

heh. well, it's big jimmy. the erected version. ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago)

I finished Anthony Trollope's The Tireless Traveller and am now considering whether or not I'm brave (foolhardy?) enough to embark on William Vollmann's Europe Central.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Crome Yellow last night. Most of you would polish it off even faster, I dare say. It is short.

I somehow got the impression that young Huxley stitched together a jumble of his university papers and some ideas tossed around in his late-night bull sessions, into a loose, rather plotless, framework and dropped the result on his publisher, who was demanding a new MS at once, in order to take advantage of the success of Huxley's first book as swiftly as he could. In spite of all that, it succeeds in overcoming its many weaknesses and being quite amusing and enjoyable.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it's completely different from everything else I've read by him, but a great romp. What stands out for me in hindsight is the dwarf story.

Last book I read was Turgenev's Fathers & Sons. I'm pretty sure the old Norwegian translations of 19th Century Russian novels are generally the most readable books I know of - at least when there aren't too many names to keep track of. I love how he shot in a quick glance at how the poor viewed Bazarov.
Slowly reading "The Selfish Gene" now. Dawkins is frustrating when he gets on his pedestal in the media (which frankly is every time he is in the media), but his pop science writing is excellent.

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Three by Ann Quin. A short, but extremely difficult read. The style was so individual, twisty and fucked up with run on thoughts, sentences and ideas that often only the author could really understand what she might have been trying to say. I will give it points for being unique. But I will subtract some points because its misrerable relationship and suicide focus was too unrelentingly depressing.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

Also: 'I know where I'm going' by Michael Bracewell and Linder: a guide to the delights of Morecambe Bay, where me and Mrs the Nipper will be spending some time in a couple of weeks. It's a pretty book but extremely insubstantial. I bet MB wrote it in half an hour just before his final deadline.

I can assure you, the MB I know would never do such a thing.

Finished re/reading Downriver the other day. So dense; the English GR, I think, with good and bad connotations of that thought. Sinclair is awfully stagey when he tries to fictionalize. But he remains, or already was, terrific when simply writing about ... reality: places, objects, journeys.

Started Lanark; still not much over 100pp in; not quite sure whether to continue, really.

I have read surprisingly a lot in the last couple of months, but the post I wrote about it last week wouldn't send, so you don't know about it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Currently: A Matter of Taste: How Names, Fashion, and Culture Change -- very interesting academic work by a Harvard sociologist named Stanley Lieberson.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

The Beetons are very nearly married; I am finding the bio a slog. As a diversion, George Saunders' In Persuasion Nation is quite a tonic. He read the first third of Jon on Sunday at Bumbershoot and it did seriously make me want to run out and buy the book. (whereas Mary Gaitskill put me to sleep...) I'm also poking at At Swim-Two-Birds, which has been in my to-read pile for months on end. Too many other things have been distracting me from reading lately.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

P.G. Wodehouse - Big Money
Hey! Wodehouse characters I hadn't heard of! I've read exactly one chapter, but was well entertained by that. Biscuit's a charming jerk. Perhaps most Wodehouse characters sort of are.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

i just finished the comedians. i imagine i'll be doing mostly school-reading for the next few months which is fine with me because these orson welles books look fab.

joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

Too many other things have been distracting me from reading lately.

Jaq, now we know the source of those many distractions... good luck in your move back to Seattle and the possibly fantastic new job there.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I got about two chapters into Europe Central and decided it's not for me - at least not for now. It has some interesting observations, and I like the historical period detail, but the characters seem more like concepts than people and it's just so dry. I'm wondering where to go next. Maybe I'll try some Isaac Babel short stories.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost - thanks Aimless!)

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yes Jaq, moving house is one of the few legit excuses for not reading. Apart from anything else, your books are all packed away.

Pinefox, could you be the one to buck the ILB trend on Lanark?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 7 September 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago)

I did not finish Lanark either. It was all about wanking.

I am reading The Year of Magical Thinking by Hey Joni Didion.

I could not get on with Titus Groan. Is this normal?

I have read The Road to Los Angeles by John Fante. It was good, but not as good as Ask the Dust or the last part of the quartet whose title I have forgotten. There was a lot of cruelty to animals.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:56 (eighteen years ago)

I have just started 'Incidents' by Roland Barthes. There is a fabulous lacquered dandy author pic on the back cover.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 7 September 2006 08:43 (eighteen years ago)

After I finished the most recent Greil Marcus book, which was ultimately a bit disappointing, I had a quick go through "The Three Arched Bridge" by Ismail Kadare and read a couple of Thomas McGuane short stories which I enjoyed but I'm so bad at completing books of short stories. Now I'm reading "Shyness and Dignity" by Dag Solstad and "The Country Reader - 25 Years of the Country Music Journal".

The former is interesting because it features a teacher of literature who is neither inspired nor inspirational, thank goodness for that.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm reading "Shyness and Dignity" by Dag Solstad
Awesome! I just read this in Norwegian a few months ago and loved it. Hope the translation's good.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

Tim, is that the "American voice" book? Marcus read from the Ginsberg section of that last weekend at the Bumbershoot festival. We could have hung around to buy a copy but opted to head out to more music instead. When we tried to buy it on Tuesday, the bookshop hadn't unpacked their stock yet. Sounds like we shouldn't be too disappointed at not having a copy yet.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 7 September 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Tell us about this G Marcus book!

I didn't know there was an ILB trend re. Lanark - ie: I thought everyone liked it!

'Lacquered dandy'. I have to admit, JtN is keeping the faith with RB, admirably.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 7 September 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

I am reading, lately!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 7 September 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Jaq / PF: yes it's the American Voice book, and it was interesting enough. It largely addresses America's relationship with itself, the implications of the USA's foundation myths. Which made it a bit like eavesdropping on a private conversation, something which has its pleasures, confusions and discomforts.

Too often he'll be doing his regular Greil Marcus thing, getting into close analysis of some passage (mostly of film, in this book) and just when you're waiting for him to slam a point home, he seems to run out of steam. The example that springs to mind is where he talks at some length about the opening sequence of "Blue Velvet", and all this build up leads to (my paraphrase from memory, apols) "it's not making the familiar strange, it's getting at how familiar the familiar is." Which seems either facile or not thought-through, or maybe a bit of both.

I should add that I know a sum total of NOWT about film, don't watch many films, very very rarely read film criticism, so maybe I'm missing something obvious and valuable. (There are many other reasons I might miss something obvious, of course, mostly brain-related.)

Towards the end of the book I felt myself willing him on: "make your point MAKE YOUR POINT" and when no great big slam-dunk of a point was made I was a little frustrated. It was the right thing, though: the book's equation goes "here's America's founding mythos" + "here's how America conducts itself" = ____________________ make your own mind up about right and wrong.

A week tomorrow I'll be in Tennessee, so this counts as homework, by the way.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:15 (eighteen years ago)

Homework is banned from ILB. Unless you have a dim question, in which case it is satirised.

Finished the Edie Sedgwick biography this morning. If the word 'fabulous' had been omitted, it would have been half the size. Many of the people interviewed appeared more keen to talk about themselves, "so Edie asked me what Andy Warhol should do next - I said, well what about silk screen printing? Well, look what happened!"

Edie took astounding amounts of drugs.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 8 September 2006 08:45 (eighteen years ago)

Although homework is banned from ILB, I will break the rules and submit my reading list for one of my classes:
*Life Is So Good
*Minnesota Rag
*The Algiers Motel Incident
*The Working Poor
*Mother Jones
*Shame Of The Nation
*Gideon's Trumpet
The Prof. did not supply any author's names on the syllabus.
The class is journalism - Community Journalism Project, where we go around writing massive articles about underserved populations in underserved communities. All of which will be posted to a website. It should be a pretty cool experience.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

Haha I read that as "undeserved communities", which seemed a very unpleasant idea.

Mikey: my homework's totally allowed, in so far as it means "books I've read set in places I'm to visit", so ner.

If anyone can recommend me some Chicago homework, btw, I'm all ears. Pref something more or less contemporary.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:21 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure of books, but check out the band, Chicago. Those guys rock.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 8 September 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

I checked out from the library and have been reading Rubicon by Tom Holland. I am about halfway through and may not finish. It is not exactly inaccurate, but the overly-punchy prose style and the overemphasis on personalities, fashion and style make me think of People magazine. Mr. Holland constantly refers to Pompey's "quiff".

Tim, in re: Chicago. Grab one of Mike Royko's old books and skim around in it. It's entertaining journalism, so it tastes great while being less filling. Warning: whether or not it impresses your professor as "research" should be considered a crapshoot, but it ought to be fun and somewhat illuminating.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

northanger abbey

Vacillatrix (x Jeremy), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

All of my books save one are now packed in boxes, as I'm about to move into the condo that I just...

... !!! BOUGHT !!!

I'm reading the one unpacked book, Jonathan Ames' Wake Up, Sir!, which is just the type of light amusement I need right now.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

Congrats Paul! We just bought the first load of boxes for our upcoming move - book-packing starts tomorrow!

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

After months of being unable to get into any book (very odd for me), I picked up Nora Ephron's Heartburn and am cruising my way through it. It is very light, pretty funny, and the perfect balance to watching my friend's marriage fall apart (in a "I really need a laugh about this" way).

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Jaq. Good luck with your packing and your move.

Usually I wind up running out of boxes, but this time I've got extra that I didn't need. (I'd send them to you but it's surely not practical...)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 8 September 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Tim, why are you gallivanting around America again? Lucky bastard;)

Re Chicago, you could try something by Nelson Algren (Man with the Golden Arm, Walk on Wild Side (not set in Chicago), but his Chicago: City on the Make looks intriguing.

http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-50th-Anniversary-Newly-Annotated/dp/0226013855/sr=8-1/qid=1157758004/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-6152321-6620708?ie=UTF8&s=books

For short Chi stories you could try his Neon Wilderness.

Currently doing Cali homework: bios of William Hearst, art book about Hearst Castle, The Times We Had (frothy Marion Davies bio), The Barbary Coast--Herbert Asbury's take on San Fran, and The Return of the Player by Michael Tolkien, cheesy Hollywood novel with just enough gravitas to divert me through the hour and half between work and an eye appointment.

For the sour side of the Irish American dream in Chi, you could read Studs Lonigan by James Ferrell, but it's really long. I read it for a class; I'm not sure I would have kept with it otherwise.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 8 September 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Aimless, I felt the same way about Rubicon. Far too much narrative, too little history.

Ray (Ray), Saturday, 9 September 2006 06:38 (eighteen years ago)

just finished:

The Word in the World: Evangelical, Writing, Publishing and Reading In America 1789-1880 by Candy Gunther Brow

an amazing, important, adn vital work, that has the usual things to say about culture and god, but unusual things to say about the history of american publishing, copyright, methodism, protestant hymonody and its role as a theological bellwether, women's writing, paedology, abolotionism, and any number of other things.

its interesting, because it seems like a solid paper could be written about things she discusses in a paragraph.

it seems really specialised, but relgious history is american history, and this is one of the better works ive found on the subject.

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 07:37 (eighteen years ago)

josh

is the new translation of bouvard and pecuchet' and if so, is it worth picking up ?

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 September 2006 07:46 (eighteen years ago)

More, Utopia
Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars

Light train reading, you know?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 9 September 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Alain Mabanckou's Verre Cassé. Funny, sad and strange book about an old man who loves his local (24 hour!) bar and his wine and doesn't love the people he comes across, except for the bartender. Half the book is spent telling the stories of the bar's patrons, half dealing with his own. All the stories told are a bit similar, as everybody is a bit of a braggart and a bit of a failure, who feels like their lives were fucked up by other people (usually their ex-wives).

Just about finished with Asleep in the Sun by Adolfo Bioy Casares. Another strange, funny, novel - that makes one slightly unsettled since it never walks on firm ground - or at least I'm not really sure where it's going. It's a mystery without being a mystery book - just an odd domestic tale.

By the way, how does one pronounce Bioy?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)


Karl Marx - Francis Wheen
If On A Winter's Night A Traveller - Italo Calvino

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Saturday, 9 September 2006 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

i've never read the old one, anthony, but it does seem fine. precise. the story itself drags a little if you try to force it but i assume that's because of the story.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 9 September 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

The class is journalism - Community Journalism Project, where we go around writing massive articles about underserved populations in underserved communities. All of which will be posted to a website. It should be a pretty cool experience.

That does sound really cool. You will give us the URL so we can all look at stuff on it, won't you?
I finished 1599. God, it was just great. Now I'm reading Patrick O'Brian's The Golden Ocean. It is a non-Aubrey Maturin novel about a couple of Irish lads who join Anson's famous 1740s voyage around the world. It's just great. You forget how funny Patrick O'Brian was, in an almost PG Wodehouse way. It's hard for me not to read it every single second, but I'm trying to eke it out as long as I can, because this really is the last O'Brian novel available to me. Sadness.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 10 September 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Just read Gilead, which was utterly lovely and really amazing.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 10 September 2006 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

anthony would totally dig it.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 10 September 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

But isn't that entirely domestic? Aren't you a hip hop artist?

youn (youn), Sunday, 10 September 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

Interesting you mention Bioy Casares, Jeff. I was under the impression that the only stuff of his worth reading was Invention Of Morel, Plan For Escape, the short stories in La Trama Celeste and the collabos with Borges. I don't know how to pronounce Bioy either, I do know that when Nobel season rolls around, the Argentine press always speculates whether he or Sabato are gonna get it this time. Once I saw a thing on TV of him chatting with a very bizarre-behaving Ray Bradbury!

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 11 September 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

i did totally dig it sterling, but why did you think that, its a little slow for my usual taste

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago)

i thought it would thematically connect with you. i've been reading the reviews & wish i could go and read the NYRB one again except the archive requrires $$ coz it seems to me that generally the spirituality which is, well, duh, all over it, is overplayed, and the deep sense of history (& the nearness of it) is underplayed, as well as some really tremendous and subtle things about race. a working knowledge of the fissures in american protestantism helps a great deal too.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 11 September 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago)

i would agree

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago)

I have just started 'Incidents' by Roland Barthes.

oooh never heard of that one. what's it about?

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 11 September 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago)

What's the Official ILB Trend on Lanark, then? Personally, I think it's great, although not as great as I did a few years ago.

Currently reading: Hilary Mantel, Beyond Black

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 11 September 2006 06:59 (eighteen years ago)

Googling for an appropriate link for Nathalie I find that a very hefty chunk of Incidents is available online, including the essay on the Parisian discotheque, La Palace, here.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 11 September 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago)

Tom Stoppard's Rock'n'Roll. I am enjoying reading a play. It is a timely tribute to Syd Barrett and his bike. I got it out of the library.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago)

I just finished "The Winshaw Legacy" by Jonathan Coe. It was published in 1994 - I picked it up at a yard sale. Great book! Should I know more about this author? I really loved this book!
YES! "The house of sleep" is even better!

At the moment I am reading Hocus Pocus bij Vonnegut and The Fahrenheit Twins (short stories) from Michel Faber. I like both.

Ionica (Ionica), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

Of Love and Hunger - Julian MacLaren Ross. Halfway and enjoying it. Gritty and quite desperate.

Also bought a lovely Thames and Hudson coffeetable book on the sleeve designs for Factory Records.

Plus re-reading lots of local history books with titles like Hidden Hackney and Lost Houses of Waltham Forest. Open House next weekend in London and it has pricked my historical interest.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:55 (eighteen years ago)

just finished "The Winshaw Legacy" by Jonathan Coe. It was published in 1994 - I picked it up at a yard sale.

I've only just realised that "The Winshaw Legacy" is presumably a foreign title for What A Carve-Up!. Which is, indeed, a very good book, albeit slightly depressing.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm completely incapable of reading books at the moment, but I have been catching up on all those back-issues of the London Review.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

Ken Grimwood's "Replay". Man relives his life from age 18 several times. This is more or less the same idea as the film _Groundhog Day_, but with each cycle being far longer. It opens with the protagonist dying. Then he wakes up and finds that he's 18 years old again and back in college, but still has all the memories of the 25 years he'd lived after that. It's pretty entertaining.

My copy has a hole through most of the pages (looks like someone's jabbed it with a sicle, hah) which occasionally makes me have to figure out what word is supposed to be in the hole's place.

I had to stop when I read the line "young men resentfully waiting for their dates to arrive."* Stared at that adverb a bit. Realized it probably said "respectfully."
Such adventures I have in literature!

*I'm at work, so that's a paraphrase.

Øystein (Øystein), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

Have finished reading my Big Russian Novel (Brothers Karamazov) and now reading a Very Small Russian Novel (Bulgakov's The Heart Of A Dog).

Meg Busset (Mog), Monday, 11 September 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

Been reading some of Isaac Babel's Collected Stories. Quite good. I read Lionel Trilling's original introduction to the first US edition too, which was interesting.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

I think Isaac Babel is better than quite good.

I have just bought, with my money, and at no discount, The Word Virus, a William Burroughs Reader.

It is for my holidays next week.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm reading "The Plot Against America" by Philip Roth, which I was happy to find for very cheap in a Peckham charity shop at the weekend. I haven't got very far yet, mostly due to a crippling hangover.

Thanks for the Chicago tips, chaps. Aimless: ILB is my professor.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Vollmann "The Atlas" -- getting the impression of a fake travel guide, the stories I kind of short enough for me to get through, which is just what I need right now.

Also a book of Erik Satie's writings.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

I think Isaac Babel is better than quite good

Quite, quite good?

o. nate (onate), Monday, 11 September 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

re: Gilead

it seems to me that generally the spirituality which is, well, duh, all over it, is overplayed, and the deep sense of history (& the nearness of it) is underplayed

it is overplayed (my b/f's mother called it "faux wise" on the basis of reading just a few pages of it) but it's completely written in character so it sits well and it TOTALLY CONNECTS for me. a truly amazing book.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

ILB is my professor

...and we're damned easy graders, too!

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Finally Jonathan Safran Foer's Everything is Illuminated. It's one of those weird books where I can't really make up my mind if I liked it or not. I do feel like it could have been longer somehow... like, it's not as ambitious as I was led to believe? Weirdly, until I started actually reading, I wasn't aware that it was yet another dip back into the (endless?) well of the holocaust.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

oh, i meant overplayed by the critics -- like they can't see past it to the other stuff going on.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 03:18 (eighteen years ago)

ah ok.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

I just got "Down and Across" by Eugene T. Maleska, the odd previous editor of the NY Times Crossword Puzzle. So far he's mostly spent his time talking about how damned clever he is. Good read that explains some questionable crosswording practices.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago)

Jerry , thanks for that link!

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 07:39 (eighteen years ago)

Natural Flights of the Human Mind by Clare Morrall. Follow up to Astonishing Splashes of Colour which made the Booker shortlist in 2003 despite a miniscule print run from a tiny Birmingham publisher. This time she has the weight of Sceptre behind her. Started OK.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 08:49 (eighteen years ago)

Chris, I read that book about crosswords that came out last year and Maleska seems to have been universally hated.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood, which makes the future seem AWESOME (I'm not sure that was her intention).

Also I recently finished Brief Interviews w/ Hideous Men.

vignt regards (vignt_regards), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

Misconceptions by Naomi Wolf and feeling glad that I'm not giving birth in the USA.

The Pleasure of Eliza Lynch by Anne Enright and being reminded a bit of Gabriel Garcia Marquez but not really getting into the story.

The Tattoo Murder Case by Akimitsu Takagi and not enjoying the translation much but what do I know.

From Here to Maternity by Mel Giedroyc and WHAT POSSESSED ME. Still it filled a morning when I was incapable of doing anything else other than weep hormonally into my tea.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

Borrowed Love Poens by John Yau
Sleeping with the dictionary by Harryette Mullan.

My local second hand bookshop had two books by Haldor Laxness in today(I forget the titles) which I think I'll pop back and buy to read next, I'm told they're good.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

I nearly bought that newer crosswords book (the one with all the interviews) but then I saw the Maleska book which seemed much rarer and bizarrer.

It's been a zillion years and I still haven't bothered to get S*PeRM**K*T, despite always finding it interesting when I've leafed through it in a bookstore. I haven't read any of her books, although I've seen her read some of those Dictionary poems. I also haven't read any Yau despite him being a friend of a friend.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

Matt: "Independent People" is long but very marvellous. "The Atom Station" is shorter but tends towards the annoyingly whimsical, and I wouldn't recommend it (at least, not too highly). His others, I haven't read.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

I quite liked The Fish Can Sing - though perhaps it's on the shorter and more whimsical side, if that's an issue.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

sooooo, has anyone read the hot new book by that hot new hottie yet? special topics in calamity physics? it looked tempting at the bookstore, but i have a real hard time spending 25 dollars for a book. i kinda feel like reading something hot though. and it is all about books.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

wow, what does this say about what u.k./u.s. audiences want in a book cover:

u.k. cover of pessl's book:

http://www.penguincatalogue.co.uk/image.cache?titleId=2256&fw=200

u.s. cover of pessl's book:

http://www.pastemagazine.com/images/articles/3184_image_1.jpg

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Amy Hempel's Collected Stories. I thought they were great. One of those books that as I was reading, I felt strongly that I should have read these stories long ago. The only problem with reading all these in one big gulp was probably noticing a little more strongly the occasional repeats of certain events used again in different stories (one horribly glaring use of a good two paragraphs on two separate events). But at the same time - it was also interesting to see Hempel use the same things (or similar things) for different purposes. Also earlier in the book there were a few times when I thought the writing got a little too obscure - without the necessary poetic weight to pull one along. But overall, a very strong, impressive collection.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

i like the chances she takes. it doesn't always work, but even when it doesn't it makes for interesting reading. and when it DOES work, her stories can be revelatory.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

sooooo, has anyone read the hot new book by that hot new hottie yet? special topics in calamity physics?

I haven't, but a relative just sent me a copy and I was thinking about reading it next, since I have no life right now 'cause I'm taking care of ailing critters.

I kinda like the cover art - and am annoyed by it at the same time.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

I liked The Atom Station, but I was a whimsical teenager when I read it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading Slaves of Solitude by Patrick Hamilton. It's completely fantastic. Hamilton is a recent discovery and he's just wonderful.

Just finished A Personal Matter by Kenzaburo Oe (very good) and Fathers and Sons by Turgenev (really freaking dull).

Jenny O (secret squirrel), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading A Pelican at Blandings by PG Wodehouse. I am somewhat confused by the lack of boats or ships therein, and keep plaintively shaking the book in the hopes that some will fall out.

I don't really.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 14 September 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Rubicon. I had to see how it all came out in the end. ;)

Now I am about halfway into The Year of Magical Thinking, Joan Didion. At this point (roughly 130 pp. into it, if I recall correctly) what strikes me most is how she makes a tacit pledge that the book will be about grief, her own grief, but more than anything else so far, it seems to be about her reticence to confront her grief.

She speaks openly about this reticence as it happened during the period the book covers, when her husband died one night at dinner, and her daughter was gravely ill for months, and she incorporates it as a theme of the book.

But, also, perhaps unintentionally, the prose style is so spare and the details so few, that it fairly shouts out that she was still, while writing, controlling her emotions by a force of applied will in order to write about the subject at all. This gives the book a weird force, but also drives its major subject matter into down her many silences and reticences, even as she attempts to convince you she is being revelatory.

Over and over she refuses to grasp the nettle. She gives hints about the pain she felt. She will drop in a personal detail and then retreat at once to speak at length of her past, before the death, before the disease, before the pain.

I shall have to see how she ends it. At the midway point, however, this is the most prominent feature of the book in my eyes.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

Aimless, somehow what you are saying is reminding of Peter Handke's book about his mother's suicide, A Sorrow Beyond Dreams.

Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

the description reminds me a little of Carol Sheild's excellent "Unless". i'd ike to read the Hanke book too.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

Right now it seems to be the Jean-Jacques version of Confessions. An endearing monomaniac, to say the least.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 15 September 2006 04:31 (eighteen years ago)

that's a v. good description of how Didion writes about everything.

I like her in general, but something holds me back from reading The Year of Magical Thinking.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 15 September 2006 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

Oscar Wilde. I think it's about time I read more than just his The Importance of Being Ernest.

SRH (Skrik), Friday, 15 September 2006 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, probably.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Thomas Savage's The Sheep Queen last night...I've had it for years, probably, and been reluctant to dive in...I was steeling myself for the Family Drama and sure enough there was lots...it just crept in on little lamb feet. Or something. I dunno. If I had to, I'd say it's a wise, effective book -- but I don't think I like its type. Ugh, I'm so hit or miss with adult fiction.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

What do people think about 'An Intimate History Of Humanity', here?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Scott, get the book by the not new hottie at your local library. I am currently 6th in line for it.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 17 September 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'm now reading Elmer Kelton's The Day it Never Rained; he was voted to be the greatest writer of all time in the western genre. I'm also reading Al Franken's Why Not Me? the first couple of chapters of which are a little confusing since they refer to some visual joke on the book's cover, and I have an edition with a different cover. Way to go, publishing brains.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 17 September 2006 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

aimless have you read any didion before - ? i ask cuz my current reading includes a kind of Joan Didion's Guide To American History - 'jerusalem' -> 'the white album' -> 'miami' -> 'political fictions' -> 'fixed ideas' - and from what i've gathered so far i'd be amazed if her book on grief WASN'T as you've described

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 17 September 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, I've never read her before. I'm a Didion tyro.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 17 September 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

michael turner, the pornographer's poem (good so far. anyone else read this? by any chance?)

mills and boon (don't ask)

tom stoppard's new play (bloody great)

my cousin, my gastroentologist (it was alright)

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 09:00 (eighteen years ago)

Leadville by Edward Platt. Easy reading and entertaining enough, though peppered with infuriating typographical errors.

Meg Busset (Mog), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

Been a bad spell for starting books and not finishing them, particularly SFF classics I thought I would like more than I do.

I *did* finish A Tragic Honesty, bio of Richard Yates, which I thought well done and very moving if slighly depressing (a bit like his fiction, in fact). I don't read a huge amount of literary biography, but Yates's very autobiographical fiction made me want to know more about his life. The critical observations were nicely restrained, focussing on Yates's craftsmanship and avoiding self-indulgent "interpretation".

I've also been reading Neil Gaiman's novels; I'm not sure I would want to make a case for them as anything more than enjoyable light reading, but I liked them. Neverwhere is easily the best, more tightly constructed, original and and fully imagined than American Gods or Anansi Boys. The Blyton-for-adults whimsy of Stardust worked well enough for me, but I can imagine it might be a minority taste.

I failed to finish Joe Haldeman's The Forever War, which I thought well done as far as I got but had too much of a Boys Own obsession with military life and boys' toys. This is not a weakness of the book, just a turn off for me personally - I seem to have completely missed out on the gene that makes boys interested in Airfix kits and Commando comics and I would have needed it to enjoy this. For different reasons I couldn't get through Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed. Again as far as I got, well-written by a ferociously intelligent and serious writer but this kind of abstract, Utopian, political novel of ideas tends to feel oppressive to me (part IV of Gullivers Travels excepted) and I start to miss humanity. Atmospherically it started to remind me of Hesse's tedious The Glass Bead Game and at that point claustrophobia got the better of me. I also lost patience with PKDs Valis, too gloomy, too idiosyncratic, too personal, too badly written.

Having struggled to finish a few books I've turned to a safe bet for my next read, Murakami's Kafka on the Shore. The untypical Norwegian Wood apart, Murakami usually promises more than he delivers, but at least he's (almost) always fun to read.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

can i ask why you thought starting to read the haldeman and le guin novels was a good idea?

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

They were pretty much impulse buys based on the cover blurb. It was accurate enough, and with the benefit of hindsight there were clues that they were the kinds of books I wouldn't like, but not all books about war are as interested in equipment and machismo as Haldeman's, and not all Utopian SF is as preoccupied with abstract ideas as Le Guin's. The blurb predictably didn't overstress characteristics that would have made the books more of a minority taste - I can't imagine too many women liking the Haldeman for instance, and novels of ideas (not least badly dated political ideas) will always be a minority taste.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

i'm sure all the female military science fiction enthusiasts would find haldeman beyond the pale, yes - !

it's a novel i like quite a bit, mostly as a deliberate subversion of starship troopers: i'd like to say "starship troopers and its ilk" but i've not really read a lot of the ilk. the stuff with the power armour and such, though, the point is (at least partly) that there are Oh Wow Power Armour What A Cool Idea bits in older books that haldeman is replacing with power armour you forget you're wearing and end up breaking your arm. i think. it's one of those SF fixups, too: novelistically the nut of it ought to be all the stuff that happens when they get back from each tour of duty, but the tours themselves end up disproportionate kinda due to being, well, already written and incorporatable. it's also one of the better american vietnam novels.

the dispossessed, tho, eh. preeeeeeetty dull.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:18 (eighteen years ago)

The End of Faith by Sam Harris. About a third of the way through this well argued essay in defense of reason - too bad it's just me reading it instead of the assholes screwing up the world.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

Donald Barthelme, 40 Stories (for the severalth time)
Italo Calvino, Cosmicomics
H.R. Ellis Davidson, Gods and Myths of Northern Europe

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

the point is (at least partly) that there are Oh Wow Power Armour What A Cool Idea bits in older books that haldeman is replacing with power armour you forget you're wearing and end up breaking your arm. i think.

Cf the Cobra trilogy, by Timothy Zahn. Which I unashambedly like quite a lot.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

rilke 'notebooks of malte laurids brigge'
erich heller 'disinherited mind', not sure how long i'll stick with it but i'd like to
cavell, 'the claim of reason'

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'm within a few pages of finishing Narcissus and Goldmund by Hermann Hesse. I have no idea what a woman would make of this book, being, as it is, written by a disciple of Goethe and Jung, and therefore as saturated with the idea of the ideal feminine as a Southern Baptist in her Sunday best and drenched in cheap cologne.

Usually I am put off by any book so full of romantic idealism as this one is. Somehow or other he managed to keep me on the hook to the end. I suppose it is because he successfully walked a fine line between overly prettifying the reality of life and overly uglifying it. Or maybe it is because I was raised by an idealist and briefly reverted to my roots. Anyway, I found it was a readable book.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 22 September 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sorry, I just don't understand how cheap cologne can be part of anyone's ideal, ever. Shouldn't the delicate blossom be perfumed with the clean, honest smells of soap and powder and her own natural sweetness? Or er, something?

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

hogg.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

And? And? Actually hold off until you're finished.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 23 September 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

"The Children's Hospital" by Chris Adrien--about 50 pages in and it's fantastic.

"The Littlest Hitler" by Ryan Boudinot--short stories, a little hit or miss
"Permanent Visitors" by Kevin Moffett--can't wait to start. won the iowa short fiction prize recently.

Jimmy_tango (Jimmy_tango), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

xpost Jimmy Tango

I went to grad school w/ Chris Adrien-- very cool guy. I used to watch Star Trek: Voyager every week with him & Nathan Englander (another author everyone should check out.)

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

This month I've read some escapist stuff: The Book of Fate by Brad Meltzer, a couple of Michael Connelly books, The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Frank Rich

& on the Lit side only 'Zorba the Greek' and some short stories. Also I've been making my way through a bound volume of Partisan Reviews from 1948--it's bliss: the recurring book reviewers are John Berryman, Lionel Trilling and Leslie Fiedler.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:07 (eighteen years ago)

Tom Baker's The Boy Who Kicked Pigs. I'm reading it aloud at school to my class of 14-year olds.

SRH (Skrik), Sunday, 24 September 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Just finished All the Kings Men by Robert Penn Warren - probably brilliant, but I read it in bursts and kept losing the threads. I probably did myself an injusting by this approach.

Now I'm reading The Glass Books of the Dream Eaters by Grdon Dahlquist and I can't decide if it's wonderful escapism or ... ?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

just finished Special Topics in Calamity Physics and it was very... yeah.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 25 September 2006 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

just finished Special Topics in Calamity Physics and it was very... yeah.

Ummmm ... care to elaborate a wee bit?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 25 September 2006 04:27 (eighteen years ago)

well, finished hogg.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 25 September 2006 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

AND? AND?!?!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

chris i feel i will fail out of ILB for not having anything particularly interesting to add about hogg! various bits of it were pretty hard to read; at the same time lots of it seemed to be shading over into camp, which made it feel rather more uncomfortable to be reading, the combination of the two.

the introduction makes claims for its literary value on "depth of characterisation" and all that, which seems totally off the mark. the narrator in particular seems to exist as a collection of dislocated fetishes and not so much else. i mean, totally deliberately, obviously. which might be the logical endpoint for a pornographic narrator, or something, tho that's probably trying to hard.

it was interesting to see the one-bare-foot-and-bitten-nails show up in a context where they're less, uh, emasculated symbols. they will presumably read rather different in all the others now. actually i'd been expecting delany's porn novel (before i uh looked at the back cover and thought "okay, probably not") to be more like 'stars in my pockets...' which also has a whole bunch of sexual encounters as one of the main focuses of the uh plot, tho way less explicitly: those are set in a liberated & utopian SF society delany sets up, tho, which makes it kind of an interesting opposite to hogg, probably.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

hogg i think was the hardest book ive read, and its beacuse it was really boring, just a slog---i wrote about this on the blog:

is infamous, unpublishable piece of pornography, in a nifty trade paperback. found my attention dragging and had difficulty fininshing--what was interesting was hwo it lacked all of the usual redemptive modes for porn, including literary qaulity, social meritt, satire or political implications.unlike salo (which is continually discussed as a metaphor about fascism and italy) or de sade (who has a decadent refinement, whose sex is an act of ritual, and whos desires are coded socially) or batille (who is too much of a linguist) or miller (who tries to hard to prove he can write) there is flatness, blankness, filth, and exhaustion in the writing. it is american in its place settings (docks, pick up trucks, roadhouses, tennements) and language (esp in its racial ephihets) and in its sexual concerns but thats b/c delany is american...

the other interesting thing, is that all of the porn pulp ive read, the written stories found in things like front hand, or in books like brother lovers, etc published by people who do nothing but stroke books, the book is badly paced. pulp porn is picaresque, as a general rule, with thinly strung together set peices--the set peices function as exciting bits of fast moving action, and the plot is just the tracks. good pulp is intended to be consumed incredibly quickly, so that the formaulae of the work or the language is not noticed. there is no plot here, and little set peices, its endless piss games, shit playing, cock sucking, grinding the reader into paste. there is something to be said for the structual analysis of paralit that hes engaging in, but that structure has a person. (reading work by people who are crazy, who want all of their baggage in one place, and whos interior logic has no external referents is a lot like reading hogg--it has no connection to the reader whatsoever.)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

there's an interview on it collected in delany's 'shorter views' which puts forward a reading i'm not sure i agree with. it also informs us that the abstract blob on the front cover of the first edition:

- is in fact a photocopy of delany's significant other's semen.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that's not the first edition -- it's the edition I have, which I thought was a reprint from the 90s?

I never recommend Hogg for anyone to read, but if they're going to read it, I do recommend that they press through to the end. Spoilers! Because the real question is whether you laughed at the end. There is something I suppose conceptually beautiful in the pornographic book that, sure, carries some of the formal elements of pornography -- the need to keep raising the stakes, and having sexual gratification as the only real motivating force for [most of] its characters -- but having the whole thing be boring and empty and end not with an orgasm but with a punchline. I think it manages to tread that line between boring and unreadably boring, so that it's not all the difficult to get through it, but it does feel empty along the way. And that's not at all the sort of pornography I'd expect from Delany, or the sort of attitude I'd expect from him, but it's one that resonates with me, so I like that about the book. And the punchline ending, which hit me very hard because even though it's a bit obvious I guess, I wasn't really expecting it, redeemed the whole book for me.

The Mad Man is problematic in entirely different ways. I haven't tracked down Equinox yet.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

We Could Have Been The Wombles by Tom Bromley.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Last night found some time to read and started out on Kim, by Rudyard Kipling. I pottered about first in the Introduction by Edward Said, but I found that too meh and popped ahead to introduce myself directly to the book without Mr. Said's intercession. It looks like one to continue on with.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

i'd already glanced at the end, hah. which meant i kind of appreciated it structurally without it hitting me, uh, viscerally. also (i was in the second chapter at the time) i sort of went "hang on hang on that's going to be the only thing he says isn't it". in the interview i mentioned delany says some stuff about normal vs abnormal ideas of morals, the notion that by the end the reader ought to be only use these terms sous rature (yes, he actually says sous rature) - which i think is pushing it: bcz it's all so outside my usual frame of reference i end up holding it at a distance from page two or so. (i mean i can't read all the "man i do love to suck on my daughter's pussy" stuff and take it seriously. which is slightly what i meant by camp, up there, although there are probably better words.)

hogg didn't get published until the 90s, although it was finished before dhalgren was published. so i'm pretty sure that's first ed, maybe i misread the interview. (which is mostly about the publishing history of delany's porn. equinox is i think in print as 'the tides of lust'. (far worse title.) delany says that the guy who commissioned him to write that one - which led to his writing hogg, too - was doing a whole pornography line based on giving literary authors complete freedom to write what they wanted, as long as, basically, there was sex all through the middle.)

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

That's the UK title (for Equinox), but I've never seen a copy of either edition in the flesh (though admittedly it's been a while since I really looked).

I am reading Egil's saga, and the Bible. For school. Different classes, sadly.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Kim is much loved in this household, as is Kipling generally.

SRH (Skrik), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

I just started "the children's hospital" by chris adrian, which, 50 pages in, is so far, completely brilliant. I hope it stays that way.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

which one is egil's?

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 28 September 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

Started to read Twelve Caesars by some olden days bloke, but it was a load of guff.

I have picked up Saturday again. I wonder if I will get any further with it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago)

found this site by accident, looking for info on jonathan franzen. just finished reading Father & Son (Edmund Gosse), How to be Alone (Franzen), The Book of Daniel & Ragtime (both by E.L. Doctorow, and currently reading Falconer (John Cheever). just about finished an English Lit degree and would like to focus further on postwar 20th century US lit, would love some suggestions on relevant authors to pick up... am all the way down in New Zealand!!

justine paul (justine), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:47 (eighteen years ago)

PJ, skim the following Caesars for the good (dirty/bizarre) bits: Tiberius (keep an eye out for the word "minnow"), Gaius (Caligula -- skim for "sister"), Nero (almost everything, but the best stuff involves his singing career).

Tom, Egil is the one who avenges his uncle's mistreatment by King Harald of Norway. At least, I'm pretty sure that's where it going.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading the Collected Stories of Richard Yates on a recommendation from a friend.

Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

Trying to read The Golden Bough and Looking Awry at the same time, with Kristeva's The Power of Horror and Vineland queued up.

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

Started to read Twelve Caesars by some olden days bloke, but it was a load of guff.

Oh, da Peej, you so funny. Mister Monkey would not like to hear you talk of Suetonius in that way.

Kia ora, Justine. Or something.


accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

I'm almost done with Beckett's Watt. Some of it is fantastic and funny and enthralling while other parts are just a slog. I don't know which of his novels to try next.

wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Try Molloy next.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Justine, have you read any William Gaddis? Freaking brilliant, US, postwar.

I'm a Chch expat in Canada, btw.

franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 28 September 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

franny, im in Wellington, been here 9yrs but born 'n bred in the 'Naki! haven't read Gaddis, but thinking i might attempt The Recognitions. am also a big Raymond Carver and Richard Ford fan.

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago)

I heard Richard Ford on the radio the other morning, and he has the best voice EVAH. I am not crazy about his books, but would seek out audiobooks with him on, just to fall asleep to.

When I am rich, I will move to Christchurch and stay there forever, with a little holiday home way up north in Pahia, to give me the excuse to go on the ferry and stop off in Picton periodically. Sigh.

Anyway, I've just finished reading a book of short stories by Irish authors called These Are Our Lives. It is a super book, covering all the bases of actual modern Irish writing, including post-apocalyptic holidays in Spain, romantic oldy-Irelandy dreams about horses, legging around Europe on the doss, and casual sex in soulless apartment buildings. Top quality stuff. Naturally, as with all books of short stories, there was one long, boring one, but for the most part this book zips along. I recommend it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago)

you really want to live in chch!??? i have never actually been there, truth be told, but have heard nothing but bad things, eg "its a hellhole", "its crime-ridden"; "its full of skinheads"... could this just be propaganda perpetuated by JAFAs??

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hello! I've been away. And I am reading "The Plot Against America" by Philip Roth and it is good, though I had to take a break from reading it because I didn't want to take it on the aeroplane with me.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

you really want to live in chch!??? i have never actually been there, truth be told, but have heard nothing but bad things, eg "its a hellhole", "its crime-ridden"; "its full of skinheads"... could this just be propaganda perpetuated by JAFAs??

I don't know what JAFAs are. But I didn't see any of those things when I was in Christchurch. I'm willing to believe it has its problems, and certainly the area my cousin lived in seemed, er, euphemistically colourful. But it's still a nice place. I like small cities. I liked Wellington too, especially the bookshops.

How was away, Tim?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago)

It was 1x blast. I got on the radio and everything. I tried to read "An Affair Of Honor" by Richard Marius while I was in (& on the way to) Nashville, what with it being set in Tennessee and that, but I was having TOO MUCH FUN and therefore just lugged the big ol' hardback around with me for a week. Books, eh?

Tim (Tim), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

Aberystwyth Mon Amour. I think I might even finish it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)

It's moderately entertaining, I found.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 29 September 2006 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

Christchurch has some nasty areas, like any city, but it's really a great place to live. Maybe it's just homesickness talking, though.... :) You should visit, Justine, it's so nice in the spring.

accentmonkey: JAFA = just another fucking aucklander :)

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, and The Recognitions will make you die from joy. But give yourself a good month.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 29 September 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

wellington 2nd-hand bookshops are the best... esp. the ones which are hidden in obscure parts of the city... as a poor student with limited resources and an addiction for not just reading books but owning them, i've found some amazing bargains.

have just picked up Catch-22, am about 100pages in but finding it difficult and slightly confusing, although it is quite funny. since its a "classic" im trying to persist.

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Confusion while reading Catch-22 is only natural and expected.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago)

good to know it's not just me. i shall soldier on.

just had a skim read of the thread "summarise a novel in 25 words" - i haven't laughed so hard in a looong time... book-geeks have the best sense of humour...

justine paul (justine), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Tim! I wanted to e-mail you but I was afraid you wouldn't receive it.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 29 September 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

I am alternating between Trickster Makes This World and The Manuscript Found at Saragossa, and both of them are proving to be uniformly excellent.

Some of the story cycles referenced in the trickster book regarding the way that the human body came to be as it is, particularly the intestines and penis, are hilarious.

Saragossa isn't as convoluted as I thought it would be. Cracking book, regardless.

mj (robert blake), Sunday, 1 October 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

i bought that! and promptly left it at home when i went back to school in the certainty i'd not have time.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
In September, I finished

Lanark

Slouching Towards Bethlehem

The White Album

For Esme With Love & Squalor

and I didn't like any of them as much as I would have liked, might have hoped. I liked the idea of them, but the actualities didn't always match that.

Lanark I thought deeply impressive at the end - but it took ablkut 400 pages to reach that stage. For a long time it dragged, and didn't do much to drag me along. I liked it most at its most metafictional, and when it was most explicit about its political ideas, its desire for and interrogation of utopia. It *did* feel important and worthwhile, but did it have to be so long?

Joan Didion disappoints me - because she seems to offer so much, and is acclaimed in such encouraging quarters. I have read more of her than I have of most writers. But all four volumes I've finished haven't altogether convinced. Leaving aside the fiction, these two essay collections both strike me as immature, brittle, underachieved to a surprising degree. I like them too, in a way, like them a lot. But maybe I like the idea of them and of her, more than I like the actuality of what she has to say. She can be such a reactionary: never mind her essay on feminism, and her enduring fascination with military graveyards, the piece on LA traffic management seems to me just a slice of right-wing anti-statist satire. Maybe the title essay 'StB' is better; I read it with Dylan Live 1966 and a bottle of red wine, which went down pretty well. But even here, I think I was troubled by her relation to the people she wrote about. She wants to appear so wise, and for others to appear so foolish, as they bob amid her cool simple sentences. But after a while this technique doesn't seem so wise - it seems evasive, egotistical, snide. I am trying to think of pieces I liked. 'On The Morning After the Sixties' - in theory; but even that is rather reactionary. 'The White Album' itself: maybe that's as good as she gets? And the last piece in StB, on NYC - that moved me some.

She has been fortunate in her admirers.

The Salinger I started many years ago, have read in bits, thought I had better finish - so at least I've now read all the published fiction. The last two stories, again, disappointed. 'Teddy', I think that's the last one - the boy who has Hindu cosmic awareness; jeez, surely this is JDS at his worst. I am torn. I like this book, I like to like it, like to have it on my shelves. But what's actually good about it?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

That is pretty much my own response to Didion. When I first started to read her, I thought I had discovered a writer I was going to really love. She seemed to have all the talents needed for a great essayist -- perceptiveness, elegance of style, clarity of exposition. But doubts started to creep in early -- as you say, the fundamental problem is her relation to the people she writes about: unless they qualify as part of a narrowly defined group of "people who matter", she treats them with a kind of patrician contempt, or with the cold detachment of a zoological observer who has identified specimens whose bizarre behaviour may have something of interest to tell us about our own species.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

"the cold detachment of a zoological observer who has identified specimens whose bizarre behaviour may have something of interest to tell us about our own species."

this is appealing! but i'm not entirely sure it's fitting.

didion's detachment is maybe a result of attempting to write her depression, not eliminate it from the written account of her experiences. whether that's right or not i dunno. her isolation is troubling but sorta compelling. her isolation from haight-ashbury kids, the suggestion that there is no 'movement', is convincing to me. but then her isolation from/dismissal of the feminist movement i find slightly repugnant, hard to process.

i'm not entirely sure who those people-who-matter are meant to be, seeing as how they don't seem to include any of the artistic figures or politicians she's written about. (that i've read her writing about.)

(maybe i think i'd prefer your metaphor if you worked aliens into it. she sometimes seems to be looking upon the human species like a zoological observer from mars.)

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

She wants to appear so wise, and for others to appear so foolish, as they bob amid her cool simple sentences.

This is not how I read her. i think she's hyper-aware of the "problem" of a journalist's detachment from her subjects and she's really worried about the condescension inherent in romanticizing them (compare her to Capote on this, for example). She often strikes me as really sympathetic to those she writes about, especially when they're women, for example in "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" (I love that essay) and the one about Joan Baez. But it's an intellectualized, detached sympathy for sure: I think that that's in part a function of her personality (she's often talked about her shyness and how hard calling up people for interviews is for her) and in part an ethical decision. again, compare "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" to In Cold Blood on this.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago)

her isolation is troubling but sorta compelling

well, because it's honest!! right?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

i like hyper-aware of the problems as a reading of the thing a whole lot, actually.

tom west (thomp), Sunday, 12 November 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't want to get into attacking Didion for the sake of it - for as I say, I have put a lot of time into reading her and at one level, I seem to like her quite a lot. Yet - this discussion stimulates.

The claim that her style of presenting other people might be caused by shyness or depression / mental problems seems to me probably true - mainly because she virtually says as much early in both collections/ But the fact that we might be able to *explain* the style doesn't *justify* it, does it? If reader A says 'I don't like William Burroughs' incoherent, babbling writing', and reader B says: 'you have to understand that this is because he took lots of drugs' - then reader B is correct, but the claim doesn't necessarily make Burroughs any better.

I agree that it's hard to say who does 'matter' in her world, except perhaps soldiers.

re. her relation to the 1960s counter-culture: I don't think she says 'there was no movement' - if anything she says it's more political and more dangerous than the media understand? But she does make it seem ... weak, foolish, immature, half-baked. She seems sceptical about it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that: I think it must be an important truth about that culture - and perhaps her judgement thus endures better than more excitable ones.

BUT - she also writes about the period in apocalyptic terms. Here's the first paragraph of that essay:

The center was not holding. It was a country of bankruptcy notices and public-auction announcements and commonplace reports of casual killings and misplaced children and abandoned homes and vandals who misspelled even the four-letter words they scrawled. It was a country in which families routinely disappeared, trailing bad checks and repossession papers. Adolescents drifted from city to torn city, sloughing off both the past and the future as snakes shed their skins, children who were never taught and would never now learn the games that had held the society together.

And there's more of this in the intro the book, I think; so, she is prone to sensationalism herself?

Horseshoe says that JD is 'ethical' compared to Capote because he romanticizes violent criminals and she remains detached. In that kind of case, this surely makes sense. But -- not all of the people she writes about are violent criminals! There's no need to remain so detached from them - and there must be a middle ground between romanticization and the way she deals with them, which too often seems contemptuous to me.

And she *does* romanticize John Wayne (and co? I think) - in an essay which might have seemed original and distinctive before David Thomson wrote, but now seems somewhat second-hand and limited.

I don't think we should get fixated on this particular problem with Didion, when I think there are others. But I guess a lot of it does come to down to a) banality; a failure to tell us anything really incisive or thought-provoking: as though 'blank' reportage is always enough; b) a sense of superiority, a much too frequent implicit sneer; c) the reactionary attitudes mentioned above. In truth, I still think Amis on Didion is a more compelling piece than any piece I've read by Didion. Gosh, do I really think that? I fear that I do.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

well yeah i have the same problems with didion - but doubt you're right about amis, but eh (i mean, 'implicit sneer' is surely his default tone) - but i think the best pieces are where her detachment seems to interact with the subject matter in interesting ways - like, when WSB writes about societal mechanisms of control in his uh fragmented style, that works for me. when he writes about cats, it doesn't.

tom west (thomp), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

NB, re. Amis: I'm not defending Amis tout court! I'm just saying his one piece on Didion is very good; it stands up to a remarkable number of readings. And maybe it is, ironically, an analysis of and verdict on aspects of Amis too.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

And she *does* romanticize John Wayne (and co? I think) - in an essay which might have seemed original and distinctive before David Thomson wrote, but now seems somewhat second-hand and limited.

Fair enough: she does romanticize Wayne, but she doesn't really have a choice; he sort of comes pre-romanticized for her and for her readers, which is pretty much what that essay's about. I've never read Thomson, though, so I can't speak to that essay being derivative. I find it insightful.

I wasn't trying to suggest that Didion isn't romantic in some larger sense; it's completely true that the passage you quoted is apocalyptic-sounding, as is a lot of StB. I don't find that "sensationalistic" (I'm sure they felt like pretty apocalyptic times!) and I don't think it changes the fact that she is committed to registering the isolation of the reporter vis-a-vis the subject. To me, this keeps the people she writes about real and protects them somehow.

I can't help feeling that you and I are characterizing her writing in an entirely opposite way, Pinefox, so maybe there's nothing more to say. I will admit that the new journalism of that period makes me really uncomfortable, even when it's written beautifully, as Capote's work usually is, and I view Didion as an antidote because she's so scrupulous. And she writes beautifully.

I'm really glad this came up; it's making me want to reread her. Maybe I'll have more to say once I do.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

In case I haven't made it clear: the particular quality of Didion's detachment that I admire is her refusal of the novelistic gesture of "getting inside people's heads." Is this what makes her seem sneering to you, Pinefox?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

also, in StB, her larger project is to paint her culture broadly. maybe the sense some of you get that nobody matters to her is a result of her use of individuals as illustrations of some cultural happening? Rather than as just individuals? that's a fair critique, but it doesn't really bother me.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I'd be very interested in reading Amis's essay (although as a general rule I find Amis much more irritating than I find Didion). Barbara Grizzutti Harrison's essay on Didion is the negative one I tend to think of - vicious, but largely convincing.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/103/didion-per-harrison.html

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago)

wow. that is some mean shit.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

and I think her reading of "Some Dreamers of the Golden Dream" is entirely unconvincing.

I really don't get the "cold, cold heart" school of criticism. (I heard a professor once complain about Jane Austen for similar reasons. which seems to be entirely missing the point.) does it get applied to male writers, too?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 13 November 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Aren't those Didion articles for the Saturday Evening Post or something? I think they're bluddy brilliant. I always think about her when I am in shopping centre car parks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

pinefox: i would say "teddy" is the weakest of JDS's 'official' stories (not counting "hapworth," which is perversely delightful in short doses but basically unreadable), but there's plenty good in that collection; i'd say there can't be many short story collections as good as that one, in fact.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

I would say that too, in theory. It's just that when I look at the book, I'm not sure why. Which stories do you think make it so good?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Horseshoe: I agree that Didion seems scrupulous - esp. compared to some clearly over-self-obsessed people. But I'm not sure she *is* that scrupulous. The point about getting into people's heads - well, interesting. Yes, in a way the externality probably contributes to the sense of disdain. But that tactic is defensible. The real problem, maybe, is a bit different: her way of delivering sour pay-offs and implicit put-downs, and of setting people up. I don't think she does just report neutrally and accurately - which is the impression the prose gives at one level. I think she arranges things so that other people seem foolish; and as I said earlier, after a while this doesn't seem so impressive on her part.

Distant but at least topical comparison: Borat - taking c.2 hours of footage and showing 30 seconds to make passer-by / real person look sillier than they really did.

I was not saying that Didion was derivative of Thomson - he comes after her and reveres her. Just that once you've read him, her take on movies doesn't seem so great. Though I don't mean 'In Hollywood', which is kind of interesting - though also sneering and nasty.

Once again: I quite agree that Amis *in general* is annoying - the point is about this particular essay, and the valid or at least interesting things he has to say in it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

That essay on her IS nasty! But nice (for thread purposes) the way it connects her with Salinger, in the first para!

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, can someone write that Didion-as-Borat sketch? I see great comic possibility, but not the time to do it. I'll expect it on this thread by c.9 tomorrow morning.

PS / I have to countenance the possibility that LATE Didion - much admired, Indian summer, crowning moments of career etc - might be better than early.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

it does seem that you might like late didion better, pinefox!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

I not like "Magic Think Year" so much like "Bethelehem Slouch" or "White Book".

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

how are people with 'political fictions' and 'miami' and the sept 11th pamphlet?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

I started reading the 9/11 pamphlet at Accentmonkey's house, and my response was infuriation at its unbelievable political naivete. (As in: 'a few weeks after 9/11, I started to feel disturbed.... Something about the atmosphere of feverish patriotism just wasn't quite right.... I wondered if there were things the government wasn't telling us....') It might have been faux-naivete, but that didn't seem to work too well either.

Thomson adores Democracy.

I have Where I Was From on a shelf at home. I have heard good things about it, which may be better than reading it. I have found it difficult to bring myself to read about Didion's ancestors. I like the cover, though. It is nicely designed and she looks good on it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

It is nicely designed and she looks good on it.

This is her appeal in a nutshell.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

You are being too sarcastic, PJ. Whether you (or I) derive much pleasure or insight from Ms. Didion, no one can make a long writing career by connecting to readers only through their book designs and author's mug shots. Someone is reading her with real appreciation. You can argue that it is misplaced, but not that it doesn't exist.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (eighteen years ago)


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