It's November 2006! Quickly, what are you reading?

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As requested by the inimitable Jaq, that ILBor extraorinaire, here is the November 2006 "What are you reading?" thread:

P.S. I am still reading Livy's Books XXI-XXX, on the war with Hannibal.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 2 November 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

I am reading more Icelandic Sagas, more assorted Old Testament books, more of Nokter the Stammerer's Life of Charlemagne, and also working through late 1920s Krazy Kat.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:43 (eighteen years ago)

This Ned Kelly gang book is sort of like that Icelandic saga Mr. Jaq was reading aloud - Njall's maybe? Except, it's in Australia. And modern.

But rollicking, all the same, and the women are terrible instigators.

Do you get to know anything about Nokter the Stammerer himself? Because, what a great name!

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 November 2006 05:49 (eighteen years ago)

Still reading Maugham. And vaguely, somewhere in the background, folks still be scramblin' for Africa. But mainly in november I will be writing.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 2 November 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm .. guess it's too long since I read OHB to figure that one out. I am rereading adinfinitum The Fox, Mrs Dalloway, The Golden Ass and Aithiopika so I can ace my exams. In one semester I knocked off six of the books from the 1001 list without much choice in the matter.

sandy mc (sandy mc), Thursday, 2 November 2006 08:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading Strong Motion. There is a shorter, better book in there somewhere I think.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

I had a swift go through "Toast" by Nigel Slater, which I enjoyed well enough without being bowled over.

Now I'm a little under helf way through "The Damned United" by David Peace. Certainly the best football novel I've ever read*, maybe the best football book. It's an oddly conflicting experience though, because the baddies in the book are my ultimate footballing heroes.

*Yes I'm including even Jimmy Greaves's series concerning the adventures of star striker Jackie Groves.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

Just finished Alberto Manguel's "A history of reading." Found it very interesting for about the first half, but then the topics started getting rather dull. Reading for Borges sounds great.
Also, Augustuo Monterroso's wonderful "The Black Sheep and other fables".

Now reading:
ZZ Packer - Drinking coffee elsewhere
Camilla Collett - Fortellinger i utvalg ("Selected stories")
Ivan Gontsjarov - Oblomov

Also dipping into semi-random parts of:
Whitney Balliett - Collected Works : A Journal of Jazz 1954-2000
R.S. Thomas - Collected Poems (thanks to ILB, actually, after someone posted his beautiful poem "The Moor")

Phew.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 2 November 2006 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

I want to read that book, Tim. I even went to the library to see if they had it, but they didn't. Just GB84 again.

This morning I read the "Ask Fred" section of Mojo. Someone wants to know who the backing musicians were for the Banana Splits.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

i met an icelandic girl the other day who said when she was twelve she had such a crush on skarphedin.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

I think you'd like it, PJM, it's really sweary.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

I quit reading that WIlliam James book. :-((( It just didn't work with breastfeeding. Yes, I used to breastfeed while reading. Or the way around, depending on your POV. Ophelia says: whatever the fuck cause my mom quit in the evening hence not reading that big book on Psychology.

Anyhow, now reading Susan Sontags' Photography and The Devil Wears Prada. I have a tendency to read the book and watch the film. In the case I saw the film on sunday and started the book yesterday.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 2 November 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Do you get to know anything about Nokter the Stammerer himself?

Only in the introduction; he was a monk and he stammered. We think. And he seems to have an endless supply of stories that start "So Charlemange was visiting this bishop, and the bishop says..."

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 2 November 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude". 50 or 60 pages in, and the jury's still out -- I'm finding his prose style a bit hit and miss, passages that are well observed and very freshly written alternating with slightly tiresome self-indulgence and straining after effect. I suspect that if it doesn't pick up I won't stick with it for 500 pages.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Thursday, 2 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

Finished The Coroner's Lunch and Thirty-Three Teeth - both interesting and entertaining and off-beat, in a delightful and charming way. Now I'm waiting for the next in the series to be out in PB.

Just started (within the past 1/2-hour) Josephine Tey's The Man in the Queue from the "Golden Age of British crime writing" (from the intro. to the text). Since I don't know/haven't read much about this so-called "Golden Age" I'm hoping to be enlightened.

Still thinking about Suite Francaise, though.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

Archel - I completely agree with your take on Strong Motion - if he'd just better a better/more drastic editor it'd be a lot more readable.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 2 November 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, Sontag's On Photography is great.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 2 November 2006 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

I've been misreading it this whole time! It's Notker the Stammerer, not Nokter!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:37 (eighteen years ago)

notk as cool.

the second half (i.e. 1975 until he died) of robert creeley's collected poems came out so even though i already owned a number of them i caved (if that word is right to describe how little resistance i put up) and bought it in hardcover for an absurdly high price. so earlier this week i was reading 'hello'.

also started ellroy's 'american tabloid', and even though about 50 pages in i don't feel committed enough to it that i've absolutely gotta keep reading (which i expect him to be able to do given some more plot).

'the western intellectual tradition' by uh i forget. i'm up to the chapter on puritans. i certainly don't like puritans but i think a lot of us contemporary people would be well-served by learning some more about what their deal was. they seem a lot more interesting than the widely circulating equation of them with sexual prudes would have it.

'european literature and the latin middle ages' by e.r. curtius, very informative about social stuff and practices of reading, writing, etc., not just names of french dudes and latin texts.

'solitude' by anthony storr though i've dropped it for a couple of weeks.

'reading writing' by julien gracq; some of his formulations are a little - insular? not quite that - but even in the long chapter on stendahl/balzac/flaubert/proust he offers a number of interesting ideas despite my only knowing a little about flaubert and proust to help me follow along. the book is physically very attractive.

cavell, 'the claim of reason' still.

a bit of 'the bible for students of art and literature' here and there.

tonight i visited the new bookstore that garrison keillor just opened in the cathedral hill area of saint paul. it has clearly just started and is mostly stocked by the same kind of mass-distribution books you expect to find in most bookstores, which is not to its credit. but i'll give it some time. and it's by a coffeeshop i use anyway so i'm bound to drop some money there. tonight i for some reason bought a copy of 'the magic mountain' even though i obviously do not have the time to read it.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:46 (eighteen years ago)

for a moment i was tempted by 'washington square' instead to start me off on henry james! oh well.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

get the one about the furniture

tom west (thomp), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:17 (eighteen years ago)

what like a proto-perec kinda deal

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago)

That Curtius book sounds dreamy!

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:42 (eighteen years ago)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

I suppose that most people run across this book at some point of their lives, or at least have it recommended to them. Anyway, I like it, and it occasionally makes some rather, to me, profound insights. But then, I am such a novice to philosophy, so it isn't all that surprising. It has really made me excited about reading Kant and Hume, though, so maybe that isn't a bad thing.

Josh probably hates this book, but then that is just a guess.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:24 (eighteen years ago)

"Hate" would be putting it too strong, the narrator is amiable if naive, but I thought it a stupid and potentially dangerous book. It's a long time since I read it so I can only put this in vague terms, but unwittingly he seemed to have stumbled on a version of the same "truth" that artists like Pound, Wyndham Lewis, Marinetti and others did in the 20s-- that there was some kind of linkage between aesthetic apprehension and mechanical efficiency, and that if you could distil the essence of this (by identifying the essentially subjective thing Pirsig calls "quality") you could apply it more generally to human affairs, including morality and politics. For many prewar artists and writers this pointed to Fascism, at least in theory a much more aesthetically pleasing and efficient political and moral system than messy democracy.

Please don't ask me to defend this reading of Zen in detail, it's years since I read the book, and there's no way I could cite chapter and verse in support of it without rereading the thing, which I have no plans to do. I'm just throwing up the thought for consideration -- if you think it's garbage, so be it.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

I should clarify that I'm not accusing Pirsig of closet Fascism -- I think he's an amiable and well-meaning guy who would be horrified at the suggestion. But I think he's a naive reductionist who doesn't realise some of the implications of his writings.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

"Argh, Sontag's On Photography is great."

Oh definitely!

"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

I hated it. My friends said I probably didn't understand it. ROFL. I think I did and that was the reason why I hated it: it gave me nothing new.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 3 November 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

frankie:

That is an interesting reading of the text, and it does make sense to me. I think I like it, in the end, for more simple reasons -- such as his interesting ways of describing his previous life, his cross-country motorcycle trip (something that I've always wanted to do), etc. Occasionally his thinking makes sense to me, but it is usually not related to the main system -- and like Nathalie, I don't think it is really giving me anything new to work with. At least, not like my brief experiences with thinkers like Wittgenstein and Kierkegaard.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Josh, I recommend sticking with American Tabloid, if only as a lead-in to the next book, The Cold Six Thousand - it's fascinating and ten times more awesome that AT.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

chris, i have a feeling you might like it, if you can track it down. the copy i have is one of those 60sish harper torchbook paperbacks, though from the library. i don't know if it's in print.

i have never read pirsig. i don't know that i've ever even considered it.

and franny, i'm not saying i would give up in that way. just in the default way of having a lot to do and not being very resolute about the books i start. i'm sure some day i'll finish it no matter what. though i think your opinion on 'the cold six thousand' puts you at variance with most of the people who mentioned it on the ellroy thread!

Josh (Josh), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

I tried reading the Pirsig when I was a teen; there was way too much motorcycle maintenance for it to hold my attention very long.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 November 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

I'm re-reading Murphy, when I can.

Matt (Matt), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

yeah the Pirsig was recommended to me by a lecturer when i was 19. it did nothing for me either. i think i lost what remaining respect i had for that lecturer but my memory is hazy so i can't really say why.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

i kind of lump it in with castaneda and ken kesey's novel. both of which i've actually read, come to think. hm.

octavia butler, 'lilith's brood'
fredric jameson on postmodernism, oy vey
paul beatty, 'the white boy shuffle'

haven't opened wittgenstein in a couple days.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

currently reading

milan kundera-the book of laughter and forgetting

just finished
paul auster-the music of chance

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 3 November 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

I've finally registered here after lurking for ages and ages. :)

I'm reading Lolita by Nabokov, Eugénie Grandet by Balzac, translated by Marion Ayton Crawford and Art as Experience by John Dewey.

I've also been reading bits and pieces of The Complete English Poems of John Donne and The Collected Poems of Wallace Stevens after reading a great article on Donne by A.S. Byatt in the Times Literary Supplement some weeks ago.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago)

PI might be hard to read alone, I'm not sure. I never would have gotten through it without the class. Remarks on Color or On Certainty, on the other hand...

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:23 (eighteen years ago)

Welcome, Arethusa. Your reading list certainly shows you are one among of The Company of Adventurers.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 4 November 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago)

I finished Chris Adrian's "the Children's Hospital" today. While it doesn't necessarily have any surprises at the end, it's still pretty powerful. I cautiously think this might be the best novel of the century so far that I've read.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:59 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm a little under helf way through "The Damned United" by David Peace. Certainly the best football novel I've ever read*

You may be interested to know that some very interesting names are developing a film version.

I am reading Stephen King's new book Lisey's Story for work, and by christ it's annoying. I can't BEAR his stupid stupid stupid nonsense words and neologisms, and the structure is so wildly pretentious without even being interesting.

And yet... there is something that prevents me from just going on strike and burning the fucking thing. I guess when he actually tries to tell a tale rather than endlessly character-building and memory-remembering he's got a certain gift. But mainly, what an arse. D-

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Saturday, 4 November 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone read "oblomov" by i.a. goncharov?

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 12:33 (eighteen years ago)

finished 'the white boy shuffle'. and christ it is great.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

and now I'm reading chris adrian's first novel, "gob's grief," which I'm surprised to find contains a few of the same characters, or at least characters with the same name, as "the children's hospital," despite being set during the civil war. anyway, it's good so far as well. these books seem to be criminally underread.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I've never come across anyone else who liked The Cold Six Thousand. Stylistically, it's pretty rough going at first, and people seemed to hate that. I've heard it described as "the only book ever written in morse code". But I loved it.

It was assigned to me for a class, actually, so I guess my prof liked it too.

franny (frannyglass), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://the-op.com/images/episode/201/gob-never-said-mistake_sm.jpg

g.o.b.'s grief

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

haha

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

lots of new (or rare) ILB users on this thread, which is great to see.


i'm about to start either Pessoa's "The Book of Disquiet" or Dostoyevsky's "The Idiot" but am not sure which to go for. advice?

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

"the only book ever written in morse code"

I have a really excellent book written in semaphore code. But not Morse.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

I've been on a big Dostoevsky kick lately (I'm almost done with Brothers K) so I'd say The Idiot, but that Pessoa book looks really interesting too.

wmlynch (wlynch), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:03 (eighteen years ago)

finished July, July by Tim O'Brien: i really enjoyed the story, characters, style etc. but i was slightly baffled by the ending... i read the book in a couple of days so maybe i just need to reread it more ponderously.. anyway, i was expecting some kind of apocalyptic event which never came.

in trying to avoid the inevitability of studying for exams i scoured my bookshelves and came across Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenter/Seymour: An Introduction; i bought it years ago but never read it - probably because it's a slim volume and it's easily hidden itself. i laughed out loud through much of it which prompted me to buy Franny & Zooey - which also made laugh, particularly the bathroom scene.

re-read Daylight by Elizabeth Knox and am now re-reading Billie's Kiss, also by Knox. she's an incredibly intelligent New Zealand writer (franny, i'm sure you have probably read her), who never fails to draw you into her world.

justine paul (justine), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago)

I just read Momo by Michael Ende and now started Northern Lights by Philip Pullman

spectra (spectra), Sunday, 5 November 2006 06:08 (eighteen years ago)

terry castles the lit of lesbianism
frasers bio of Marie Atoniette
the newish Eco novel

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago)

Walter Benjamin's "One-way street" essay collection.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Sunday, 5 November 2006 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

has anyone read "oblomov" by i.a. goncharov?
Well, I'm currently reading it (as you'll see above, though I used the Norwegian spelling)
It's pretty ace, though it's somewhat disconcerting that I'm recognizing a lot of my own traits in old Oblomov. He's a bit more social, but I'm a bit more active. I would certainly recommend it.

For some reason someone's left their phonenumber on a post-it note in the middle of the library copy I'm reading.

Øystein (Øystein), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ah sorry I must have missed your post above, I only just came over to ILB from ILE/M.

I came across it on Amazon this week, looks really good. I will buy it but need to finish the Kundera I mentioned first...don't want book overload.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

i stayed up really late thursday to finish delillo's libra, which i'd started in august and out aside at the beginning of the semester. fantastic book - i'm a history student who is increasingly fascinated by cultural theory and postmodernism. historical myths and the creation of history, esp. in relation to identity, is incresingly my area of interest, so this book made me very happy.

i am three stories into alice munro's something i've been meaning to tell you, but am setting it aside this weekend to finish off hedrick smith's the power game: how washington works, which i got halfway through two years ago. it's from '88, and as such is a little dated and all about reagan, but it is still a fascinating read. 720 pages, too!

i am hoping to plow through ray bradbury's something wicked this way comes before fall is over.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

The Idiot is my least favorite of the Dostoevsky novels I've read (admittedly only a handful). If it's your first venture to Dostoevsky, I'd say go for something else.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

I am now reading The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, but I haven't made much progress into it so far. The premise sounds interesting, certainly, so I guess I will see where he goes with it.

mj (robert blake), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:15 (eighteen years ago)

Started Starter For Ten, but had a hissy fit and gave up:

http://papercutsrekindled.blogspot.com/


Later on I started Underworld again. I like it (Jackie Gleason!) but I doubt my ability to finish it. I may even have to reread what I've already read, because I was falling asleep.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 6 November 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)

oh, underworld is so great!

derrick (derrick), Monday, 6 November 2006 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, but my attention span is so short these days, and it is a whopper.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Still reading The Old Patagonian Express and loving it.

Next up, I have a few lined up in my to-read pile (Kokoro, Mother Night and some book about crab fishing in Alaska) but would really like a magical/Christmassy read to see me into the festive period - last year it was His Dark Materials, anyone got recommendations?

Meg Busset (Mog), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

it's not my first Dostoyevsky. i've read C&P and Notes from Underground. where next then?

jed_ (jed), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

Is Underworld any well......easier than other DeLillo? I consider myself of a decent intelligence but found Cosmopolis and Great Jones Street really hard going, I would pick out great ideas every now and again but could never really get fully into either, extremely tough.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

jed, well, I'm definitely not the best person to answer this, but The Brothers Karamazov was great. I'd suggest that one.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

So far the only difficulty with Underworld is baseball terminolgy, but it is early days yet. Baseball and nuclear weapons.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Recently finished Paul Auster's New York Trilogy (read the last novella in one sitting), and this weekend started reading Kerouac's The Subterraneans.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Mickey, i don't think i'm ready right now for Karamazov (purely because of the length) - maybe when i have less stuff going on.

Ronan, Underworld isn't difficult, i guess Cosmopolis may be difficult because its focus is so narrow. if you can't get interested in the main character there's not much else to hang your attention on other than the language but i guess that can be very dry.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

i think Underworld, because of the structure, can be very exciting. it's fun to make the connections that run through the book and that's more fun/interesting because of the backwards trajectory of the thing (which never feels like a gimmick).

jed_ (jed), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

Is Underworld any well......easier than other DeLillo? I consider myself of a decent intelligence but found Cosmopolis and Great Jones Street really hard going, I would pick out great ideas every now and again but could never really get fully into either, extremely tough.

didnt think that gj street was that hard, but underworld is much easier to read. i do have to admit that i found the middle part a bit... tedious. overall, though, it's an excellent book. especially the first hundred pages are classic.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Gave up on Underworld (temporarily?) and started Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha. Much more amenable at this point in time.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

In Borders last night itching to buy a book, any book, I wound up getting Lewis Hyde's 'The Gift' based on some recommendations and a few hyperbolic reviews. It turned out to be the most bafflingly praised book I have looked at since Rebecca Solnit's history of walking. So I restarted 'Middlemarch' instead.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

at someone on ILE's urgings (was it nabisco? I can't remember) I returned to Italo Calvino's short story collection, Difficult Loves. the stories in the beginning were god awful drudgery, but the ones towards the end, written in the latter part of his career, are amazing. they're like microscopic views of human life, zooming in on the smallest interactions. one of my favorites is "Adventures of a Soldier" which takes place in probably about 5 minutes. it involves a soldier on a train, and his meticulously slow, minor advancements in groping a lady who chooses to sit next to him. one finger on her thigh, then a second, etc. Calvino's stories really do a beautiful job of illustrating human emotion.

like murderinging (modestmickey), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Lewis Hyde's

Read that as Huey Lewis.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

"The Damned United" doesn't really reach closure, but then since I know the story involved, it would be madness to expect it to.

It is really a very excellent book indeed and I heartily recommend it, though I do wonder whether it might be a bit light on background for anyone to whom the name "Billy Bremner" (for example) means little or nothing.

Then I read "A Bed In Heaven" by Tessa de Loo, and while it threatened from time to time to be an emotional trial, it ended being nothing especially out of the ordinary as far as Dutch miserabilism is concerned.

Now I'm reading "Black Swan Green" by David Mitchell. It's OK thus far. Oh and "The Rough Guide to Germany" - any recommendations for Berlin and / or Munich novels, anyone?

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

How was "The New York Trilogy" Nate?

"Paddy Clarke, Ha Ha Ha" is pretty great.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

Some of Plato's dialogues -- Protagoras, Meno, Phaedrus, etc.

mj (robert blake), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

Before I went to Munich at the end of September I bought a Tramp Abroad by Twain and the Tin Drum by Grass, both on the recommendation of the RG. I'm still half way through the latter and have hardly touched the former. Which is silly, really. I like the Tin Drum, though. I find his fantabulism easier to get into than, say, Calvino because it has a hook in a real place at a real time.

I read Paddy Clarke more than 10 years ago and still remember "Confucius say go to bed with itchy hole, wake up with smelly finger".

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

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I like Paddy Clarke, I didn't want to arrive at work.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

Gick?

I don't need to do any German homework any more, because I'm not going anymore. This is probably good news because I didn't much want to read "The Tin Drum".

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

It's Paddy Clarke's word for excrement, Tim.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I've finished Lolita--by far one of the best novels I've read in ages. Nabokov's love for the English Language was killer and about one of the few things that persuaded me to finish the novel after the devastating ending of part one. (I had to take a small break though.)

To replace that reading slot I've started Sheila Heti's Ticknor.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still muddling my way through Josephine Tey's The Man in the Queue - not that it's a difficult book, just that things here are chaotic and I'm reading it in two to three page bursts and keep losing track of who is who and what's going on. Kinda feel like it'd be an enjoyable escapist read if I had any time to devote to the reading.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

Gick's not just Paddy Clarke's word. It's a pretty standard word over here. Although the young people prefer their imported American words now. But you'll still find the old folks saying 'gick' round at the Byrne household, should you ever drop by.

Dudes! I'm in Paris! Still reading Of Human Bondage! It's so great, I'm sad that I'm nearly finished it. Then I will read Snow by Orhan Pamuk. I have probably spelled his name wrong, but I don't CARE because I am drunk on wine and full of Berthellin sorbet yumtytum.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

I still like Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:31 (eighteen years ago)

You know, I thought that was one of his weaker books. The Barrytown ones are funnier, and The Woman Who Walked Into Doors was better - so if you haven't read them yet, you should pick them up.

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:58 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone read the new one yet?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago)

Monkey's life sounds exciting.

Monkey, here is a tribute to you. Yesterday, I started carrying my floppy disks in a jiffy bag that you had sent me. It even has your name on it.

Middlemarch is one of the best novels I have ever read.

My reading of late has been very poor. I have been conscious of not even starting things, let alone finishing them. Did I ever get round to reporting back on my reading in September? That was a lot more eventful.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

I have read and enjoyed the Barrytown ones, but nothing else. Perhaps the time has come. I also want to read the new-ish Magnus Mills, about explorers.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

In theory, it would be good to watch the RTE drama 'The Family' before reading The Woman Who Walked Into Doors', but that's probably not practical. (I didn't see it before reading either, but I was aware of it) I don't know what the story is with the new Doyle.

New Magnus Mills? On to the wishlist it goes....

Ray (Ray), Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

The Barrytown Trilogy is probably funnier, not sure if those ones go as deep as Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha tho.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

just finished Woodward/Bernstein's The Final Days and have just begun Barry Werth's 31 Days, which picks right up. went through a bunch of the new Callaloo hip-hop issue last night as well.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

New Magnus Mills? On to the wishlist it goes....
I was given a hardback copy of it for my birthday back in March. It has gone onto the teetering pile marked UNREAD. For too long, I suspect.

PF, life on holiday in Paris is v.exciting. Today Monsieur le Singe and I invented a whole complicated coding system which proves that the message of the Lady and the Unicorn series of tapestries actually means that the wife of the merchant who commissioned it was shagging the tapestry maker. Not being of the nobility, the merchant cannot decode the tapestry, but all of the noblemen he invites round can see the joke clearly.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

Arethusa, what are you thinking of Ticknor? I read it last year and my general response was, "Hm".

I'm trying to get into The Ebony Tower, a short fiction collection by John Fowles I've had for simply ages. It's definitely good, but I'm not enthralled. I think it's kind of aged badly.

franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 9 November 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

You'll have to work that into the novel, accentmonkey. There can be no unused thoughts from November.

Ray (Ray), Friday, 10 November 2006 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

When Children Became People: The Birth Of Childhood In Early Christianity by O. M. Bakke.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

Also, Bruno Nettl's The Study of Ethnomusicology: Thirty-One Issues and Concepts, which is genuinely magisterial (not that I'm the best judge).

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 10 November 2006 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

Paddy Clarke is getting deep now. I've just had to put it down and have a little think.

I'm not sure how new the new Magnus Mills is. It's £5 in Fopp.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

In any case, I'm glad I have rediscovered that I like funny books best.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 10 November 2006 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

'Monsieur Le Singe' - this I like.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

I have read some large chunks of Michael Whitworth, Virginia Woolf (Oxford UP, 2005). It's good!

I really want to start reading some different books again, like I used to read Fitzgerald, Didion et al. I fear that my resolution to read Mary McCarthy's The Group is on the verge of being broken for another year.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Arethusa, what are you thinking of Ticknor? I read it last year and my general response was, "Hm". - Franny

I finished it and I actually liked it quite a bit. I enjoyed how it was completely internal and so Ticknor's character and personality were laid bare; his voice was so strong. I enjoyed trying to read between the lines to discern exactly how Prescott and other people actually were beyond Ticknor's pov. It's one of those books I might re-read to see what else I can unearth.

Now...I'm not sure what to pick up next. I have a Graeme Gibson and Ivy Compton-Burnett novel (which I had started and abandoned some time ago) staring at me steadily. Or I could start C.S. Lewis' "Space Trilogy" that one roommate lent me, or the Sara Gruen equestrian romance novel that my other roommate eagerly pushed into my hands (:-S). I probably should make some more headway with my other two books before I pick up another one.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I've been reading a fair amount of material lately!

I have recently finished The Selfish Gene and more of Plato's dialogues -- Lysis, Charmides, Phaedo, Euthyphro, and Laches. I am finding that early Platonic dialogues are not quite as interesting as the later ones.

Coming up:

The Chemical History of a Candle (admittedly, some of these books were mined from the popular science thread that was created over the summer)

Gorgias, Phaedrus, The Symposium.

mj (robert blake), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

that's quite a few dialogs, good on you.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 11 November 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the plan is to read (or attempt to read) all of his dialogs, so I figured that I would start out with the short, relatively easy-to-follow ones before tackling the monstrosities. I tried starting off with The Republic a couple of years ago and found that to be a huge mistake.

Well, and I say relatively "easy-to-follow," but I'm still not sure what he was getting at with that strange logic in Lysis, or that bizarre section about the "living coming from the dead" opposites argument in Phaedo. Most of it has made sense, though, and Meno was wonderful.

mj (robert blake), Saturday, 11 November 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago)

I got The Damned United out of the library!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Saturday, 11 November 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

pinefox, have you read The Group before? if not, it's a really fun, breezy read. well, it's also a terribly depressing book, but it's written all soapy and gossipy.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

No, I never have. But for years it has awaited me, that Penguin C20 classic with its pale green spine and monchrome front cover. I am cheered a little by your words. Do you think I might still manage it in 2006, then? Or would it suit a brighter time of year?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Saturday, 11 November 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

Gorgias and Symposium are both pretty great!

Fun reading right now: Procopius, The Secret History. Class reading: Gisli Sursson's Saga, the book of Jeremiah.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

pinefox, I think you can totally manage it in 2006! and then you should come here and post about it! (I find mccarthy's stuff invariably depressing, because she casts such a cold eye on everything. but it's still enjoyable.)

p.s. Middlemarch is one of the best novels I've ever read, too.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Saturday, 11 November 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

crimson petal and white (still)
perlandia
against the day

rems (x Jeremy), Saturday, 11 November 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago)

derrick, i've attempted Libra THREE times in the last 2yrs but just can't seem to get past the 3/4 mark - but you have inspired me to try. Mao II would be of interest to you, i think, considering your interests and that you have enjoyed other Delillo - it's been a long time since i read it but i read with concern to the notion of "cult of celebrity" and ideas of authorial sincerity.

meg, have you read any Charles De Lint? urban fantasy, very very good - not sure about the "christmassy" bit, but definitely fits magical genre. I don't usually like fantasy or even much magical realism but i love his books.

Am reading Wally Lamb's I Know This Much Is True; it hurts to read it but it also makes me laugh, and i think its often a very honest story. i seem to know a lot of people with various kinds of mental problems so it aches to read about someone who would cut off his own hand because he really thinks he could change the world.

cellardoor (cellardoor), Sunday, 12 November 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

i love mao II! interesting that you have found libra tough slogging - i found it one of his most propulsively readable books. the one that gave me pause was players, which is really formative - the circa-'78 yuppie-mocking is really tired by now, and all the interesting stuff gets further and better developed in later books.

derrick (derrick), Sunday, 12 November 2006 03:44 (eighteen years ago)

it's not exactly that i haven't enjoyed Libra, but there's a lot of detail to keep track of - i find it quite dense, and some other book always seems to come along and distract me. but i think i will pick it up again this week and stick to it this time! i will let you know how it goes.

cellardoor (cellardoor), Sunday, 12 November 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

i'm about to start Robert Coover's Spanking the Maid - the blurb completely sold me: it sounds very similar to that James Spader movie The Secretary...

cellardoor (cellardoor), Sunday, 12 November 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

pinefox, I think you can totally manage it in 2006!
There you are, you see? Off you go now and read it. You've loads of time, sure.
I finished Of Human Bondage and it was absolutely great and now I'm going to go out and get all his other books. Thanks again, whoever recommended it.
Now I am reading Orhan Pamuk's Snow, which is super so far. I'm sure it's all very allegorical and high falutin', but it just seems like a very interesting story to me.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 12 November 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

I _just_ finished 'The Master and Margarita', which was both excellent and sporadically baffling. Now I want 'The White Guard', which I believe is a realistic novel by Bulgakov. Before that I finally read Alan Bennett's 'Untold Stories', whch was also wonderful. I've also been finally unearthing books which have been boxed up for 3 years, including a cache of unread Eric Amblers, so he might be next.

James Morrison (JRSM), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

Henry James: 'Crapy Cornelia'. 1909, NYC generations. Written with the expected convolutions, but comic and light in tone. Readable for me cos only 30pp long.

Fitzgerald: '"The Sensible Thing"', 'Magnetism' (an early run at The Last Tycoon's material?), 'The Rough Crossing'. I like FSF a lot, yet these stories seem to be agreeably slight somehow. They don't seem well-*written* in the same way that Gatsby does. And it's remarkable what a fuss he continually makes about the passing of youthful time: 'she was 26... and she yearned for the dreams of 21', that kind of thing. Like Lloyd Cole!

James Wood on Richard Yates; I wonder if I should read more of him.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

I ended up being a bit dissatisfied with "Black Swan Green": it should have been an immersive, familiar experience for me (te central character might as well have been me in lots of ways) and I just ended up finding it mediocre. The sentimental bit with his sister right at the very end was nice.

Now I'm giving "Sleep HAs His House" by Anna Kavan a go, though it might end up being put aside for something Spanish, or something Basque.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

i read bulgakov's "heart of a dog" this spring - fun read.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 13 November 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

I just finished Private Papers and realised that I'm in a Margaret Forster mood, so got two more of hers out of the library.

Have also been reading Love All the People (bit pointless really - it's not like anything is added to the routines by seeing them on the page) and I just started Lighthousekeeping by Jeanette Winterson and Set in Darkness by Ian Rankin (have never read anything of his before).

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoyed Peter Carey's novel on the Kelly gang so much I started My Life as a Fake. Also, it was within easy reach. I bought a copy of the Worldchanging book, full of facts and ideas presented in short, easily consumed bites.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

(which is all I seem to be able to manage at the moment...)

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

I'm about to start on Blood Meridian which I read once years ago. I also just checked out Hemingway's complete stories from the library. I've only read Farewell to Arms and a couple of his shorts, so any suggestions on which would be best to read would be appreciated.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago)

The Damned United by Brian Clough

It is very good, once you get over the notion of Brian Clough as Joycean narrator. I have read lots, and I only started last night. I keep thinking I am bound to get bored soon, but I haven't so far. In fact it was making me very nervous and uneasy last night. Perhaps it is because of Clough, in real life, looking like a ghost, at Burton Albion. I don't think I have ever readf a book narrated by som,,eone I have seen in real life.

Apart from Ned Kelly, of course.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

Coz they were going cheap I decided to finish Stephen King's Dark Tower series, after stopping at book four some years ago.

This guy is so far up his own arse it's untrue. He's only gone and written himself into the fucking books in a piece of Never-Ending Story bollocks. He's got his characters visiting him at his house! And don't start me on the Harry Potter and Star Wars references! I'm six and a half books into a seven book series and I'm thinking of giving up. I'm missing out on other books to read this crap!

ONIMO ph34rz teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

In the Garden of North American Martyrs, by Tobias Wolff.

cellardoor (cellardoor), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the last three books of the Dark Tower series were disappointing - they read like he rushed them out as quickly as he could because he was afraid of dying before the series was complete. The plot goes completely haphazard and all the characters feel flat. The ham-handed metatextual stuff doesn't help things, not to mention that godawful old-timey dialect that every character starts speaking. It might be worth it to finish the seventh book, though, just so you can get properly pissed off at how it ends.

Me, I've been on a Dickens kick for the last few months. I just finished David Copperfield and I'm moving on to A Tale of Two Cities.

reddening (reddening), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

That was a very fine book report, PJM.

I must read Donna Tartt one day.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

How was "The New York Trilogy" Nate?

I thought it was pretty good: 3 and a half stars. I also wrote a bit about it on the Paul Auster thread.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Theaetetus, which is probably one of the best dialogs that I have read so far.

It really seems to me that it is a sort of culmination and summary of all of the earlier Socratic dialogs that use dialectics to eventually end in a state of aporia. Things like "Ion" and "Laches" seem trite, by comparison. This one really gets at the heart of the issues -- knowledge in general.

Over the last three or four days, I've managed to finish what was listed previously along with another dialog, Euthydemus. I concur with you Chris -- the Symposium and Gorgias were both pretty great! Trying to read Cratylus was a complete failure, however. Couldn't make heads or tails of that one.

mj (robert blake), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Call when you get to Parmenides!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Now on Mother Night.

Meg Busset (Mog), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

PJ Miller, I don't believe you are quite that old.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago)

now on to more canadian short stories: christian petersen, let the day perish.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago)

Still going strong, me and Cloughie. Some continental fancy men were looking at it, bold as brass, on the tube this morning.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, you and your continental fancy men.

I set "Sleep Has His House" aside for a wehile: I was enjoying it but wasn't in the mood to push forward with a largely shapeless, dreamy / surrealist novel.

Instead I sank into the pleasure of re-reading an old favourite: "The Lone Woman" by Bernardo Atxaga. This counts as homework for a forthcoming trip to the Basque country. It's a wonderful novel, even if it does quote a Smiths song I don't like.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

I have completed 350 pages of Titus Livius upon the Hannibalic Wars. To relieve myself of the fatigues of differentiating one siege from another, one defection from another and one consular election from another, I have refreshed myself by dipping into The Complete Prose of Marianne Moore, where there is nary a Numidian cavalryman or pro-praetor in sight.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

Cloughie has resigned!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 16 November 2006 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

I have by the way started David Means' first collection, Assorted Fire Events. Does anyone like him?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

I finished McCarthy's "The Road" yesterday. I'm going to remember this one for a long time, and I'm not entirely sure if I'm happy about that. First time I read him, and I loved it while still being put off by it. Time I get more McCarthy, clearly.

Tonight I'm going to cleanse the palate by dipping into a complete collection of Noel Coward's short stories. Has anyone read any of them and can recommend any stories in particular? I got it from the library and figure I'll probably just read random stories here and there, instead of trying to plow straight through the whole thing.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 16 November 2006 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Harrumph. Why was I expecting Noël Coward to be funny? "Stop me if you've heard it" did little to lighten my mood.
Oh well, not so much cannibalism, at least.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

I have stalled in the middle of The Ebony Tower. I absolutely loved The French Lieutenant’s Woman and A Maggot, but this one is not catching me at all. I shall force myself to finish it by the weekend, so I can make a start on the Penguin Classics book of Russian Short Stories, which I am really looking forward to.

franny (frannyglass), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

I should be reading Parmenides in the near future, Chris!

I stalled a bit and found an interesting book trying to trace the development of "sex magick" from pre-Victorian sources, as well as trying to explain its political and social appeal to us "modern" folk. A bit dry at times, but a good break from the dialogs. It has a fancy scholarly title, too: Magia Sexualis: Sex, Magic, and Liberation in Modern Western Esotericism.

I have also started Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, which is really great so far. I like his speechwriting abilities and the obsessive focus on power. I also didn't realize that the political situation in Greece was that complicated!

mj (robert blake), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago)

Pinefox - I really wanted to like 'Assorted Fire Events', but I really didn't. It's one of the things going in my current (reluctant) big purge.

Franny - that Penguin Classics Russian Short Stories is a gem, even if it has hardly any Chekhov. I don't know why that bothered me, given I have all the other Penguin Chekhov collections anyway, but it did. Also, you have to get the (US Penguin Classics ) Twentieth-Century Russian Reader, which is like a volume 2, bringing it almost up to date (the early 1990s, at least).

I'm reading John Banville/Benjamin Black's 'Christine Falls'. I really like Banville, and I really like this, but if I hadn't been told there's no way I would have picked him as the man behind the pseudonym.

James Morrison (JRSM), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, James. I will keep that 20th Century Russian Reader in mind. I am trying to educate myself on Russian and Eastern European lit, in a VERY slow and haphazard way, and that sounds really good.

franny (frannyglass), Friday, 17 November 2006 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

Mark. Matthew. Next up, Acts. And a few more sagas. Not enough time to do "fun reading", really, sorry Procopius.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 November 2006 01:49 (eighteen years ago)

Still me and Cloughie, against the world. Day Thirty-seven.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 November 2006 08:34 (eighteen years ago)

Pale Fire. Amazing.

ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 November 2006 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed, i'm always amazed that people like this truly awful book.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

:D

ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 November 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Pale Fire is awful? How so? (NB: I have not read it.)

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't read it either, but I acquired a bunch of Nabokov books after Lolita, one of which was a Library of America collection that has Pale Fire among others. I've always heard good things about it.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Friday, 17 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

That's it. We're finished, me and Brian Clough.

Tim was right, the ending is a bit of a damp squib (and I didn't know the half of it).

I look forward to the sequel, Them Ruddy Saudis Are A Rum Lot.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 November 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/news/images/0601/moomin01.jpg

Mary (Mary), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

oh, wow. want.

my tutor loaned me the comic book version of auster's city of glass.

joe david bellamy, 'the new fiction'
paul beatty, 'tuff'

tom west (thomp), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

oh, book one. i was hoping it was a brick. are they donna do her brother's, too?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

Pale Fire is brilliant!
"I was the shadow of the waxwing slain..."

Ray (Ray), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

I like Pale Fire, although it's been ages since I read it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really like Pale Fire, but it seems to fall into that strand of literature I have a blind spot for.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Friday, 17 November 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago)

my problem with Pale Fire is that it never does what it sets itself up to do. the poem is brilliant, yes, but the notes or gloss on the poem are never that - Kinbote is just ludicrous from the very first note. maybe i'm missing something or got the wrong end of the stick - but surely if Kinbote seemed at least reasonably sane initially and the mysteries were injected into some kind of semi-believable commentary that would be more interesting? if Kinbote had at least some grip on reality then the reader could to realise he was cracked that would create some drama. then there are the zembla sections the whole of which were confusing and damn boring.

i'm quite prepared to admit i'm wrong on this one since i didn't (couldn't!) finish it. my boyfriend hates it too, it's one of the things we bonded over when we first met :)

jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

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jed_ (jed), Friday, 17 November 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

I don't really think the poem is all that great on its own. It's just of a style. And I think one of the things I like about it is that it doesn't go for that particular kind of drama. Instead it's about the depth of interreferencing -- and the applying of meaning -- it's about how willfully Kinbote misreads the text, but manages to hold onto this coherent reading, and how Kinbote misreads his own life, but at the same time if the misreading is so coherent how can you really call it wrong, and that's where the tension comes from, the tightwire act.

Also again, the caveat that it's been a long time since I've read it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 18 November 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago)

James Ellroy "The Big Nowhere", Italo Calvino "Numbers in the Dark", Samuel Beckett "Ill Seen Ill Said", Flann O'Brien "At Swim-Two-Birds", lotsa Alan Moore/Grant Morrison/Frank Miller comix

808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 18 November 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

There's a Jansson brother?

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 18 November 2006 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Jansson : one line stub.

finnish guy on i love comics has gone on about him a bit.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 18 November 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago)

I really want that Moomin book. I just finished yesterday her 'Winter Book', which is a posthumous best-of her short stories in English.

And I loved 'Pale Fire', which was the first Nabokov I read after 'Lolita'. Casuistry's description of it seems just about perfect to me as to why I liked it.

Now I'm reading Muriel Spark's autobiography, 'Curriculum Vitae'.

James Morrison (JRSM), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

I was the first person to get the Moomin book from my library, so it's like I got it new, only I can't keep it. Same with the new Gorey anthol.--Amphigorey Again. Also just read Roald Dahl's Witches and am in the middle of his Charlie and the Glass Elevator and am skimming Nicholson Baker's Double Fold: Libraries and the Assault on Paper.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 19 November 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago)

I got so nerdy after reading Double Fold. Once, I saw a woman's eyes glaze over as I explained the concept of it to her. That is one sure way to make sure people in hostels stop asking you what you're reading, I can tell you.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 19 November 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Myth and Symbol in Ancient Egypt, which is fairly self-explanatory.

The Importance of Being Earnest, and perhaps other Wilde plays in the coming week.

I WILL start Plato's "Republic" in the coming week, too.

mj (robert blake), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago)

Double Fold is one of the most skimmable books ever.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 20 November 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

Jeeves in the Offing.

Made me laugh like a twat on the tube.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 20 November 2006 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

My dad was on good form yesterday. I told him I'd been reading a book about Brian Clough's time at Leeds United, and he said, "I bet that didn't take you long to read then". I said that it was good though, and he said "They just wouldn't play for him, and that was that". Which neatly sums up over 300 pages of dense prose in ten words.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 20 November 2006 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

'Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of TweeDreams' by Nick Tosches has relegated 'Middlemarch' to the back burner for the time being.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Done with Man with the Golden Arm (loved it), now reading In Cold Blood for the dudes' book club. It's kind of a lucky transition since some of the additional stuff at the back of MwtGA talks about how Algren was obsessed with ICB.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

I've just finished reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude". Some of it really works - he is superb at conveying what it would have been like to grow up as a white kid in pre-gentrification Brooklyn in the 80s. But overall it was a major disappointment. Lethem has no gift for character, and even less for structure. Mostly he attempts a kind of high-octane, writerly style: it is capable of brilliant effects but can also be clumsy and opaque. Sometimes he seems to become fatigued by the attempt to keep it up, and there are long spells of more or less functional but charmless writing. The "magical realism" subplot just seems bizarrely pointless.

I've started reading Sarah Waters's "Fingersmith" -- I'm about 80 pages in. I was looking forward to this tremendously after "Night Watch", but reading the first 50 or 60 pages I started to fear serious disappointment as it completely failed to engage. I've never much liked Dickens, and he seemed the major influence, on story and atmosphere if not on style. Fortunately, it's started to pick up in the last 20 pages or so, and I'm starting to get a good feeling about it now.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

On 'Fingersmith', the real influence is probably Wilkie Collins - see 'The Woman in White' for the most obvious ancestor, I think. Fingersmith and her other books are quite different in feel to 'Night Watch'.

Am now reading Kobo Abe's 'The Woman in the Dunes', whcih I'm liking despite some reservations. It does, however, fall into the weird trap that I find with EVERY modern Japanese novel I've read, which is when the sex scenes begin, it quickly becomes deeply ludicrous. Does this stuff just not translate, or are the original Japanese sex scenes just as daft?

James Morrison (JRSM), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 02:40 (eighteen years ago)

I've just finished reading Jonathan Lethem's "Fortress of Solitude".

I was incredibly disappointed by FoS - it seemed like Lethem was all over the place and no thoughts were ever brought to completion - moments of insight and excellent writing and stuff that was just boring. But I thought much the same of Motherless Brooklyn, too.

I think I've now read most of his stuff (can't recall why I went on a Lethem kick, though) and the one that's stayed with me was Gun, With Occasional Music - creative, fun, complex, noirish - kinda reminded me of PKD's Do Androids Dream at the time I read it.

And As She Climbed Across the Table was interesting, though ultimately unsatifying (at least to me). Neither Amnesia Moon or Girl in Landscape have stayed with me.

I'm still working my way through Jospehine Tey's Alan Grant series. It's fun to be reading something that's a "series" where each book is so markedly different in plot and concept from the others. Of course, this means that some work better than others, but it's an enjoyable experience. To be honest, I'd probably be raving about her writing were I reading these books in something more than fits and stops, 'cause her language and characterizations deserve better attention from the reader than I'm according them at this point.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

I was thinking of reading "Motherless Brooklyn" to give Lethem one more chance, but perhaps won't after reading your post -- I had thought that as a crime novel it might avoid some of the structural problems and self-indulgences of Fortress of Solitude and give him a chance to shine as a stylist and creator of atmosphere. But from what you say I'm starting to think not.

James, Wilkie Collins may be right, I didn't make the connection, and perhaps should have. It's a long time since I read Collins, although I do remember I didn't like him very much. I thought I could understand why he'd be popular in his day, and why he's still regarded as "important" nowadays as a pioneer and influence on subsequent writers, but I found his books shapeless and overlong. He did have gift for intruding numinous, almost symbolist elements into his stories, though, and I can sense that as an influence on Waters. Also the crime-thriller plot is more Collins than Dickens. Another 40 or 50 pages in, I'm now enthralled by Fingersmith -- if it stays this good until the end it's going to be one of the best books I've read in a long time.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago)

To be honest, Motherless Brooklyn was significantly better than FoS - plot actually held together and the ideas were creative. I was annoyed in parts, but I think that was mostly a response to the whole "narrator with Tourette's" schtick than anything else (which was creative and interesting and annoyed the hell out of me for no good reason). Out of what of his I've read, I'd recommend "Gun, With Occasional Music" and "Motherless Brooklyn" as being readable, interesting, and accessible - I don't think either are great works of art, but they're a cut above most of the crap I've been reading lately.

Sorry - I didn't mean to trash him nearly as badly as I did.

Please keep up to appraisal of "Fingersmith" - all that I've read of her's was "Tipping the Velvet" and walked away from that feeling underwhelmed but I've had other folks tell me that I should try some of her other books.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

Frankiemachine, welcome to the debate!
Reading Jonathan Lethem ...?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the link, pinefox - some interesting perspectives.

frankiemachine (frankiemachine), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

I've finished Grandet and am now starting on T. R. Holmes's The Architect of the Roman Empire the first of two volumes depicting the rise of Octavius to Augustus Caesar.

Arethusa (Arethusa), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago)

The rigors of fatherhood and the proximity of The Mysterious Bookshop to my place of employ have led me to reembrace the crime novel. Right now I am reading Ken Bruen's The Killing Of The Tinkers, the second in his Jack Taylor series. I may have to purchase the third tomorrow to provide for the long holiday weekend.

The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago)

Good blue writing, Pinefox.

The Sign of Four by Sherlock Holmes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 08:35 (eighteen years ago)

It might be worth it to finish the seventh book, though, just so you can get properly pissed off at how it ends.

-- reddening (reddenin...), November 14th, 2006 1:50 PM. (reddening) (link)

Yup. Fuck a Stephen King. The last two books were obviously motivated by "fuck it let's just get it finished". I had to laugh though when he actually put "HERE COMES THE DEUX EX MACHINA" on a note to a character!

I'm now reading Don Delillo's 'Underworld'.

ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Started Fell In Love With A Band, about The White Stripes, but it was bloody awful, so I stopped.

I finished A Study In Scarlet, but thought it was a bit rub.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

Finished Mother Night and was a teeny bit disappointed - just didn't have quite the emotional impact of other Vonnegut books I've read - it seemed more like a moral in search of a story ("Hey! Sometimes there are good guys on the bad side, and bad guys on the good side! And people can be bad in some ways and good in others!!").

Now reading Working On The Edge by Spike Walker, about crab fishing in Alaska - it's like a book version of The Deadliest Catch, not the best written but undeniably exciting.

Meg Busset (Mog), Thursday, 23 November 2006 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

I'm reading "The Human Stain" by Philip Roth. I was only given two books for my birthday this year (most years I seem to have been given more) and both were by Philip Roth. What are the chances of that?

Pete Baran said THS is annoying. I haven't been annoyed by it, yet. I'm rather enjoying it.

Anyone have any particular favourite books set in Madrid or Seville? I could re-read "Variable Cloud" by Carmen Maria Gaite, which I like, or "The Seville Communion" by Perez-Reverte, which is fine in its way, but I wonder whether I could do better, or at least different.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 23 November 2006 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

TH, did your LRB arrive today? Mine did. One would think that delivery rates would be similar, considering that, in global terms, we live relatively close together. Mine is still in the wrapper. I hope something good is in it.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

I just finished Zuleika Dobson, by Beerbohm. Lots of fun, if perhaps a little longer than it needed to be. My sister tells me that I must read "A. V. Laider" now, and she's probably right.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 23 November 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago)


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