http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/classics/story/0,6000,1201864,00.html
But as far as I can tell, this is just a re-edit of his great Momus/Erasmus essay in the New Republic. Does anyone know what else is in this book and when it comes out? I'm kind of writing this just to be lazy and have you do my google/amazon searches for me!
― kenchen, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Phil Christman, Friday, 7 May 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I wrote a review of it a while back, which is here,
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― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Monday, 10 May 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)
Did anyone read How Fiction Works? Got a mild kicking in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/books/review/Kirn-t.html
― caek, Sunday, 14 September 2008 21:16 (seventeen years ago)
I disliked that review; Kirn sounds defensive. I mean -- "(Wood) flashes the Burberry lining of his jacket whenever he rises from his armchair to fetch another Harvard Classic"? This is like Karl Rove discussing John Kerry.
I read a third of HFW at the bookstore last month; his defense of the beauty of free indirect style was educational. Lots of it seems cobbled together from what he's written already about Chekhov and Flaubert, though.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 14 September 2008 21:53 (seventeen years ago)
I haven't actually read any of his criticism. I only came across the Kirn review while looking for Foster Wallace stuff, but the review somehow makes me want to read the book, which was presumably not Kirn's intent.
I'm printing out a bunch of other reviews to read on the way to work this week. Everyone seems to have something to say about it.
― caek, Sunday, 14 September 2008 22:05 (seventeen years ago)
Although I am not buying in hardback.
lol u can have my copy. the stuff on character was good but i wasn't that pleased with it overall. i do really like his criticism tho.
― that gingham heartbrake (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 14:57 (seventeen years ago)
Is joke?
If not, thanks! If it's worth dropping in the mail to the UK from where you are then I'll happily cover postage.
― With the enormous power and flexibility of the 2007 Microsoft Office system, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)
no joek i have no idea what shipping would be tho!? i also have to find it but yeah, sure i'll look when i get home
― ♥♥make your love-rival gain up to 5 kilos!!♥♥ (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 16:15 (seventeen years ago)
i read and liked it. i learned a lot from it--even though i didn't really agree with everything he said, he made me think a lot. he seems to favor a certain kind of third person narrator over the first, and i really prefer first. . . but his passion and smarts won me over.
Kirn's essay was totally mean spirited and shitty.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 16:18 (seventeen years ago)
I'm guessing it's not going to be cheap, but if it's less than $10 I'm down.
― With the enormous power and flexibility of the 2007 Microsoft Office system, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 16:25 (seventeen years ago)
Thanking you!
it's not less than http://ircalc.usps.gov/IntlMailServices.aspx?Country=10142&M=2&P=3&O=0&sd=10
― leighten up, meester! (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 19:47 (seventeen years ago)
ugh this stupid formatting. "less than $10"
― leighten up, meester! (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)
ok, well thanks for checking that out. I will maybe read a few chapters in the library.
― With the enormous power and flexibility of the 2007 Microsoft Office syst (caek), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 21:14 (seventeen years ago)
has a really excellent article in this week's newyorker about richard yates wherein he manages to use the word bovarysme, critique mad men and force me to completely rethink my feelings about r. yates.
― Lamp, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:24 (sixteen years ago)
oh sorry link: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2008/12/15/081215crbo_books_wood?currentPage=1
― Lamp, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago)
anything that gets more people to read revolutionary road is okay with me.
the piece didn't really tell me anything new though. or make me rethink anything. but that's cool.
― scott seward, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago)
Just an hour ago I finished How Fiction Works. The man's erudition and conviction is so damn infectious.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:51 (sixteen years ago)
He didn't say much that was new about Yates, but I was relieved that he loves it too.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:52 (sixteen years ago)
yeah i don't always agree with the guy but he's such an excellent writer and a sharp thinker
― Mr. Que, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:54 (sixteen years ago)
He got me to read Joseph Roth a few months ago: worth it, I suppose.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:56 (sixteen years ago)
Who says MIT graduates don't know about the Liberal Arts?
― Ruudside Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 8 December 2008 22:57 (sixteen years ago)
sorry.
what?
― Mr. Que, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:58 (sixteen years ago)
i wanna read a Wood book. i am all for good modern lit crit. though part of me just wishes that louis menand would write all the crit in the new yorker. including the music and movie reviews.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago)
he was talking about james woods
― Tanganyika laughter epidemic (gbx), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:30 (sixteen years ago)
Wood is much the better stylist and intellect, Scott. Menand is...I dunno, the avatar of The New Yorker's accumulated wisdom.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:32 (sixteen years ago)
menand is great but i think i like woods better. but tbh as long as they keep updike from writing criticism i dont really care.
i didnt really like yates when i read him, certainly i hadnt thought of Revolutionary Road as "essentially, a novel all about artifice". that was a new and really interesting line for me and the couple of paragraphs where he talks about how the book succeeds in escaping the pat judgmental truisms of suburban unhappiness made me think about how id read the book, about how limited i might have been in my reading. i was impressed that he could make a claim so persuasively for both yates and the book being "more radical than ever".
― Lamp, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:41 (sixteen years ago)
here's a respectful dissent on woods from the nation
i'm not erudite enough to judge that essay, but woods prose does feel bloodless sometimes. i probably like menand better, he seems more plugged-in to the world-at-large. that richard yates piece was good, though.
― m coleman, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:10 (sixteen years ago)
I like Menand better too, but they do different things. Wood's great at, well 'how fiction works' (I haven't read it yet, but I want it just for the cover)--the mechanics of sentences, a writer's style, the internal logic of a text. Menand is in my favorite lineage of critics, those who believe (pace Matthiessen) that:
Aesthetic criticism, if carried far enough, inevitably becomes social criticism, since the act of perception extends through the work of art to its milieu.
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:17 (sixteen years ago)
but has Menand got an ethos, in the sense that Matthiessen, Trilling, Wilson, etc did? His serviceable prose and agreeableness suggests he takes things as they come.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 13:23 (sixteen years ago)
reading his critique of the gaseous George Steiner, I sometimes feel like I am watching two men beat each other with balloons.
― Ruudside Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:55 (sixteen years ago)
I should read some of Wood's crit. I did really enjoy 'The Book Against God', although it was no masterpiece.
― James Morrison, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:53 (sixteen years ago)
I know the cover is supposed to appeal to people just like me, but man does it ever:
http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/How-Fiction-Works.article.jpg
― Manchego Bay (G00blar), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago)
I like James Wood quite a lot, but I don't think I like that cover.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 1 January 2009 01:36 (sixteen years ago)
What don't you like, pinefox? The colors? The type? The way Works is italicized?
― ilx chilton (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 January 2009 02:52 (sixteen years ago)
You better Work.
http://harpers.org/archive/2009/02/0082377
― Mr. Que, Friday, 16 January 2009 17:06 (sixteen years ago)
Colson Whitehead, gosh. He has a fourth novel coming out? I'd forgotten he had a third.
― thomp, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:47 (sixteen years ago)
sometimes u try so hard and still its not enough
― Lamp, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:52 (sixteen years ago)
Have yet to read one of his novels but lolled at the first part of that "james root" essay.
― lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:57 (sixteen years ago)
Magnificent critique, till the penultimate paragraph:http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081208/deresiewicz/single
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:05 (sixteen years ago)
Oops, OK, M. Coleman already linked to it.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 12:06 (sixteen years ago)
The antepenultimate paragraph was cherce, though.
― lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 18:29 (sixteen years ago)
I don't know the word 'cherce', but looking again at the passionate para you mention, it's amazingly fierce! That piece really blends high praise and low condemnation in a curious way, which I've perhaps only seen in Terry Eagleton's reviews (start by saying how great someone is, then by 3/4 through they're on the floor).
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:09 (sixteen years ago)
The last paragraph has its moments of overstatement, though. If the US can no longer produce Trillings, Kazins, and Howes -- the cultural moment has passed -- then why blame Wood for failing to represent a movement that no longer exists?
― The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)
Just spent a while reading Deresiewicz's reviews on the archive and, yes, there is a curious grouping of praise and damnations with an interesting sense of timing to the switch.
Really like the piece on Kundera.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 22:43 (sixteen years ago)
Spencer Tracer re: Kate Hepburn in Pat and Mike: "There's not much meat on 'er, but what there is is cherce."
A variant spelling from The Elements of Style:
Do not affect a breezy manner.The volume of writing is enormous, these days, and much of it has a sort of windiness about it, almost as though the author were in a state of euphoria. "Spontaneous me," sang Whitman, and, in his innocence, let loose the hordes of uninspired scribblers who would one day confuse spontaneity with genius.The breezy style is often the work of an egocentric, the person who imagines that everything that comes to mind is of general interest and that uninhibited prose creates high spirits and carries the day. Open any alumni magazine, turn to the class notes, and you are quite likely to encounter old Spontaneous Me at work--an aging collegian who writes something like this: Well, chums, here I am again with my bagful of dirt about your disorderly classmates, after spending a helluva weekend ing N'Yawk trying to view the Columbia game from behind two bumbershoots and a glazed cornea. And speaking of news, howzabout tossing a few chirce nuggets my way?
The volume of writing is enormous, these days, and much of it has a sort of windiness about it, almost as though the author were in a state of euphoria. "Spontaneous me," sang Whitman, and, in his innocence, let loose the hordes of uninspired scribblers who would one day confuse spontaneity with genius.
The breezy style is often the work of an egocentric, the person who imagines that everything that comes to mind is of general interest and that uninhibited prose creates high spirits and carries the day. Open any alumni magazine, turn to the class notes, and you are quite likely to encounter old Spontaneous Me at work--an aging collegian who writes something like this:
Well, chums, here I am again with my bagful of dirt about your disorderly classmates, after spending a helluva weekend ing N'Yawk trying to view the Columbia game from behind two bumbershoots and a glazed cornea. And speaking of news, howzabout tossing a few chirce nuggets my way?
Really I just wanted to say "antepenultimate."
― lemmy tristano (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 23:07 (sixteen years ago)
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/06/new_yorker_book_critic_james_w.html
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Friday, 12 June 2009 16:06 (sixteen years ago)
dude's got rhythm.
― suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 16:11 (sixteen years ago)
that leaves me more well disposed towards him than any of the criticism
― thomp, Friday, 12 June 2009 23:36 (sixteen years ago)
Much excitement with the arrival of James Wood and Tom Hollander, who arrived on site Sunday to do some "speculative" filming for a "possible" second series of Rev. The team was given the sort of reception that would make Jesus and Moses green with envy. In fact, the very sight of Hollander was enough to cause a parting of, well, everything. Hollander said it was akin to Beatlemania. While it's nice the series has shown some love to a community that sometimes feels lonely and marginalised, one wonders why they can't get this from real life.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/01/religion-roundup-divine-dispatches-greenbelt
does this mean JW will be involved in the series, or he is already and I didn't know, or is it just a casual sentence and there is no relation between the two, or it's a different JW?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:10 (fifteen years ago)
unless james wood, literary critic, also wrote for casualty in 2002, it's a different james wood.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1198822/
― joe, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)
well that clears that up!
it just seemed like it would be the critic JW cos he's famously post-religious so he might excite some people at a religious festival!
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:22 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq8K92LdE5Y
― the pinefox, Friday, 11 February 2011 18:03 (fourteen years ago)
Just heard David Shields on Radio 4 and was amazed at callow his ideas sounded, even though I think I see at least a kernel of truth in them.
Then found or refound this:http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2010/03/15/100315crat_atlarge_wood?currentPage=1
JW: so much more depth, reflection, maturity, never mind literary grace.
― the pinefox, Monday, 14 February 2011 10:18 (fourteen years ago)
"becomes literally a piece of shit"
― thomp, Monday, 14 February 2011 12:18 (fourteen years ago)
People do lie on their beds and think with shame about all that has happened during the day (at least, I do)
HE ADMITS IT
btw check out the crazy link-tagging the nyer uses now to people who copy text from their articles!
― j., Monday, 14 February 2011 22:32 (fourteen years ago)
Everything I've heard about Shields' 'Reality Hunger' makes me think he's a bit of an idiot, which is probably unfair, but I still think he is
― the most cuddlesome bug that ever was borned (James Morrison), Monday, 14 February 2011 23:29 (fourteen years ago)
He sounded like a bit of an idiot, on the radio!!
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 11:46 (fourteen years ago)
i couldnt finish that shields book
i always find it infuriating when ppl write books about 'the state of literature' who seem to have stopped reading after college
― Lamp, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 17:19 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006x3hl/episodes/upcoming
^ James Wood on the radio all next week!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 February 2011 09:49 (fourteen years ago)
Super! I have just been scouring the whole week's broadcast schedules and didn't see that.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 19 February 2011 10:32 (fourteen years ago)
thanks, xyzzz! looking forward to this.
― Romeo Jones, Saturday, 19 February 2011 17:58 (fourteen years ago)
I liked this. I happened to know all the reference points to one degree or other. I probably won't, re other programmes.
He was wrong to say 'open any page of Ulysses and you'll see the same thing as that passage from Flaubert': he means, of course, 'open chapters 1-6 / 8 / 10'. One thing that he has always seemed peculiarly not good at is realizing that Ulysses includes some other, very different ways of writing.
It was a little poignant and renunciatory when he very modestly said something like: 'Unlike you or me, the novelist has a heightened power of noticing'.
I think I like, as much as anything, hearing JW's voice sounding in the invisible air and thinking of him going to the relevant studio to read his script - earnest, thoughtful, furrowed, troubled, committed, learned, decent.
― the pinefox, Monday, 21 February 2011 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
despite my principled distrust of james wood i have now bought a copy of TEH BORKEN ESTATE so that i can read his pynchon and delillo essays.
― j., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 06:18 (fourteen years ago)
I've stumbled across this site before but never read so much of it - it just goes on and on. Get this:http://contrajameswood.blogspot.com/2009/03/magic-beans.html
There is something in that post; it's quite well-argued. But you still have to wonder why someone would devote an entire site to attacking JW. I suppose the key may be that JW's so much bigger, somehow, in the US than here in the UK; people get really annoyed about him over there.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 10:28 (fourteen years ago)
I get quite annoyed by him over here, as I've said before; nice writer, but feels like a choked & dull view of literature when I read him; praises things I rarely go to novels for (like I don't mind the odd fine rendering of consciousness, but all the time?). Feel like if one believes in eg the possibilities of genre, contrary sensibilities, delight in display and showiness, stupid jokes as worthwhile (cavalier values i guess), then he's the natural critic to take aim at - the ethical seriousness makes him seem a limited bore.
but, yes, I wouldn't devote that much time to attacking him. And it's been a few years too since he's really felt like the enemy. But I think that post is accurate; hadn't read the Against the Day review in a while, interesting. The Richardson vs Fielding bit is telling- I find Fielding's a better and more serious writer in every way (except rendering the interior), as well as being massively less dull.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 11:10 (fourteen years ago)
I can't speak for the C18 bit of that review, which may be a false dichotomy of JW's. But I remember reading it as a whole and thinking, this is a magnificently perceptive and well-written assessment of what is good and bad about Pynchon.
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2008/03/moretheoryplease/- has anyone ever read TE's review of JW in Prospect? I would like to.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:45 (fourteen years ago)
that's like hearing AIDS's opinion about cancer
― thomp, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 12:48 (fourteen years ago)
lol that is not morally serious humour, look i asked j wood what he thinks:
Thomp's wit has something of the bilious energy to be seen in early Roth, but it lacks the generosity that marks the mature work; there is a narrowing of sympathy at work in the humour of the zing, rather than that broadening of kind attentiveness and patience with folly that becomes available to the comic writer who understands his mortal limits; this is Portnoy onanising, not Sabbath's rage.
ugh parody, lowest form of jokes, i must be bored.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:26 (fourteen years ago)
Pinefox, I don't think Fielding/Richardson is a false dichotomy: since Fielding's responding to Richardson from the beginning, it's a sensible narrative, and a decent starting point for thinking about the novel in the middle of the c18th, where it comes from, where it goes. It's just he's more on the Richardson side; I'm not.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:32 (fourteen years ago)
i've been reading philip roth. he's awful.
― thomp, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:35 (fourteen years ago)
what roth are you reading?
― just sayin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
I don't like Roth much. I often feel alone in that. Almost every serious reader I know likes Roth.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
prefer roth to updike
my life as a man; first zuckerman trilogy
updike is p hateable also
― thomp, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:39 (fourteen years ago)
That Zuckerman tril is the thing that people kept telling me to read when I said I didn't care about Roth. It didn't change my mind. Forgot it quickly and completely; read about 100pp again before I realised I'd already read it.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:43 (fourteen years ago)
Quite liked Plot against America, but didn't finish it.
it has the same ending as inglorious basterds, fyi
― your LiveJournal experience (schlump), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:48 (fourteen years ago)
g00blar (roth phd) told me to start with sabbath's theater because it stands alone and is a fairly quick read. i did enjoy it, but i must admit i haven't been moved to read any more.
― caek, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:21 (fourteen years ago)
i love 'contra james wood' and think it is one of the best possible uses of the interweb.
― j., Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
This article JW wrote on Keith Moon is really great, btw ...
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/29/101129fa_fact_wood
― Romeo Jones, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 05:02 (fourteen years ago)
I ought to read that.
Last night's programme: surprised by his nerve in recycling material - I don't mean just recycling general ideas, but the intro was from the David Shields review (2010), the Austen and Woolf material from the 1990s.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:24 (fourteen years ago)
I enjoy The Prague Orgy as a filthy anecdote instead of Serious Literature, and it helped immensely.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:32 (fourteen years ago)
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― for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:49 (fourteen years ago)
Tried to listen to this last night. He could have zipped through that representing consciousness stuff in half the time or less, hist of novel 101. ffs woodsy jesus won't hate you if you say something fun and interesting.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 09:56 (fourteen years ago)
he doesn't really aim to be mr happy fun guy.
― for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:23 (fourteen years ago)
This kinda o_O article suggests he *does* aim to be mr hfg! http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2010/3/9/humor-faulkner-sound-fury/
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:26 (fourteen years ago)
Fun is important and serious
― portrait of velleity (woof), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 10:46 (fourteen years ago)
Last night: dialogue. Some grounds for disappointment.
1. again reusing examples: Henry IV from Irresponsible Self. But this is theatre, not the novel - a perilous move in terms of understanding the specifics of a genre. If you include Shakespeare in 'fictional characters', why not Browning or Larkin?
2. 'the English tradition is theatrical and Shakespearean' - not once but twice. I didn't like this at all: far too magisterial and non-falsifiable.
3. I was thinking he only goes through the most canonical names, so he scored a point by naming a lesser-known contemporary of Tolstoy.
4. biggest weakness of this programme so far: the bizarre way he's introduced 'Lucy Grieve', promised each programme to do something with her, then forgotten all about her. That whole vehicle has stayed in the garage for most of the 45 minutes so far.
Seems to me that this series is partly a Basic Wood - but it possibly doesn't work as a summary of JW's work, cos it loses some of what's most fun about JW, eg most of his prose texture and his bold jousts with contemporaries.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 24 February 2011 11:23 (fourteen years ago)
That's a calmer, fairer summary of some things I was thinking Pinefox: whenever Lucy Grieve comes up, I'm reminded of what I don't like about most literary novels, pointless boring characters thinking about things and noticing stuff in a novelly way.
The Shakespeare thing's a funny one: Woods does need to deal with him, because he obvs has an extraordinary genius for things Woods privileges (representing movement of thought of 'rounded' characters); and he's hyper-canonical, central to most big post-Romantic arguments about what is literature, what can it do. But yeah, the slippery definition of fiction that using Shaks entails scuttles Wood a bit - he should be dealing with Browning, as you say, who in both movement of thought and use of detail screws his timeline.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 24 February 2011 11:47 (fourteen years ago)
what's a lucy grieve
― thomp, Thursday, 24 February 2011 13:12 (fourteen years ago)
Woodsy, in his r3 lectures, is illustrating how fiction works by making up a character called Lucy Grieve, who goes for a walk down the street and thinks things.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:10 (fourteen years ago)
I was saying to the Pinefox elsewhere how JW's failed conceit seems obviously indebted to, but equally obviously inferior to, Woolf's Mrs Brown.
― Stevie T, Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:18 (fourteen years ago)
well, the bizarre thing is that the conceit isn't even present enough to fail. He literally begins each programme by saying 'remember that I talked about LUCY GRIEVE' - then completely forgets her imaginary existence for the next 15 minutes and talks about how Shakespeare is great!
It's like if Woolf had written an essay on Bennett / Brown and forgotten to tell us in the essay who these names referred to.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 24 February 2011 16:28 (fourteen years ago)
I'll hear out for the Lucy Grieve tonight.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 February 2011 20:39 (fourteen years ago)
Absolutely priceless.
11:00. 'We've been assuming that our fictional character, LUCY GRIEVE, has a coherent self - with her own rich thoughts, memories and feelings. But is the self really as coherent as this?'
Followed by 15 minutes about Muriel Spark and Jane Austen.
I swear, Lucy Grieve is like ... she's like Robbie Keane on the Tottenham bench, so criminally underused she's basically not there. She has appeared in roughly 5 sentences in the last hour of JW. She needs to get a loan agreement to a programme by Sebastian Faulks where she could actually get mentioned twice and have a run-out, maybe hold up the ball near the corner flag in the last 5 minutes.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:27 (fourteen years ago)
whoever she is she sounds like a lovely girl.
― j., Thursday, 24 February 2011 23:47 (fourteen years ago)
that ex-boyfriend with the quiff though.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Friday, 25 February 2011 00:20 (fourteen years ago)
Only manage to hear one of these in the end. On Thursday's ep I didn't get why the main character on Austerlitz was still a blank page. Wood under discussed that novel.
Really liked that ep. Then again I have never had a class on literature after 16, and I guess I must have had some pre-16 but I can't remember a single thing about them.
Prefer this to Faulks on fiction (has ILB talked about this? I only managed to watch about 30 mins of one ep) as Wood has an idea or two although it isn't right to compare. My tastes are for European and Latin American novels, but still, any programme on the novel should never just concentrate on British/American novels (I wouldn't like if it was the other way round).
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 February 2011 08:29 (fourteen years ago)
I missed last night's. Hope I can catch up with it and find out if Wood continues his comedy routine to the end.
"You'll remember our character, LUCY GRIEVE. We've seen her walking down a street, thinking and talking. How would the novelist represent her dying? ... Samuel Beckett's Malone Dies is a remarkable fictional account of death."
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:50 (fourteen years ago)
Faulks on Fiction seems pretty woeful; it makes me doubt that such a person could have written any good fiction himself. It also mainly consists of footage from TV and film adaptations.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:51 (fourteen years ago)
"Another famous fictional death is that of Flaubert's Emma Bovary. You may remember that she commits suicide with drugs stolen from the chemist Homais."
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:53 (fourteen years ago)
"In Jonathan Franzen's The Corrections, Alfred Lambert dies a sad, lingering death from Alzheimer's. Franzen portrays this rather brilliantly through the eyes of his family".
This week's essay was entitled The Life Cycle of a Fictional Character, written and presented by James Wood. And in next week's Essay, Clive James reflects on being a transplanted Australian who has enjoyed many kinds of success as novelist, songwriter, presenter and public intellectual.
Now, as a late night treat for Friday, a rarely heard suite from Francesco Saverio Giai.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 11:58 (fourteen years ago)
lol.
― Ron Rom (GamalielRatsey), Saturday, 26 February 2011 14:38 (fourteen years ago)
"If our fictional heroine LUCY GRIEVE has to die - and I am loath to let her go even in this last programme - how might we go about describing her end?"
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:24 (fourteen years ago)
"It sometimes seems as if Tolstoy's godlike genius impelled him to describe all the rhythms of life and death"
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)
"When fiction acts like this, we feel that it is doing what it is supposed to do."
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
"Modernist fiction ... is just getting going."
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:40 (fourteen years ago)
"So let's begin again, this time without leaning on any old texts or old masters. LUCY GRIEVE walks down a street. How should we now proceed?"
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:41 (fourteen years ago)
To be honest the fact that next week = 5 nights of pure Bracewell makes my Clive James placeholder look very tame.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011 17:42 (fourteen years ago)
You can quote and recast to make it worse than it was. The bit about what fiction should do is iffy on its own but it was backed by a good bit on Tolstoy's The Death of Ivan Ilyich, and then more on Hadji Murat.
Couple more eps to listen back but what I'm getting most out of this are his bits on Jane Austen. It is odd how reliant he is on modernism when he is actually setting these continuities from the 19th century right into 20th century. Wood is very much into showing how modern writers seemingly discover what turn out to be scientific realities through fictional enquiry.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 February 2011 19:15 (fourteen years ago)
The scientific asides are enjoyable but it can be seen in one sense as justifying Claude Simon and I don't think it needs that.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 26 February 2011 19:21 (fourteen years ago)
hilolrious, pinefox
― j., Saturday, 26 February 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)
hilolrious?
― jed_, Sunday, 27 February 2011 03:35 (fourteen years ago)
i really lolghed is what i am saying
― j., Sunday, 27 February 2011 05:13 (fourteen years ago)
"You'll remember our character, LUCY GRIEVE. We've seen her walking down a street, thinking and talking. How would the novelist represent her dying?…"
i thought you had made this one up, pinefox.
― j., Tuesday, 1 March 2011 06:54 (fourteen years ago)
he really likes describing the relation between the reader and author as one of 'force'.
'…we are forced to inhabit a world beyond life…'
― j., Tuesday, 1 March 2011 07:04 (fourteen years ago)
i don't believe that this dude has any great love for modernist fiction.
― j., Tuesday, 1 March 2011 07:06 (fourteen years ago)
I thought I did make it up. But then the reality was very close to it. Oh, here it is:
"If our fictional heroine LUCY GRIEVE has to die - and I am loath to let her go even in this last programme - how might we go about describing her end?"― the pinefox, Saturday, 26 February 2011
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 12:19 (fourteen years ago)
I like Wood quite a lot - as a reviewer, he's terrifically readable, if nothing more - but I don't ultimately think this programme showcased him terribly well. It was elementary in a sense - not to say it was so simple as to be dumb, but it was too plain to demonstrate what's good about JW, notably his brio with words (and also his tendency to attack or disdain other people, which can be entertaining at least).
In fact it's all made me reflect that you could say of JW what Eagleton once fancifully wrote of Jameson: that style for this writer is the cavalier surplus and play that he allowes to exceed his puritan sense of responsibility and plainness.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 12:23 (fourteen years ago)
Also started thinking: who's the better critic - James Wood or Tom Ewing?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 12:52 (fourteen years ago)
Feel like it's hard to answer because where Wood is an excellent conventional operator in lit crit/higher journalism/semi-academic tradition, a lot of Tom E's work has been finding & founding structures for criticism.
idk who would you rather read, Wood on the Pet Shop Boys or Ewing on Tolstoy?
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 13:52 (fourteen years ago)
That is a good answer.
I very much agree that Ewing has done a lot to 'found structures for criticism'; this is a large part of his importance.
Would I like to read Ewing on Tolstoy? ... up to a point, but, well, actually I don't think it would interest me that much. Partly cos I don't know Tolstoy.
I don't like the PSB at all - but I wouldn't mind reading Wood on them, cos it be Wood writing as Wood, with his own Woody 'plumage'. So maybe on that basis my answer is that Wood is the better critic - or maybe it's just that he is a better writer. (Not to say that Ewing is a bad writer himself.)
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 17:35 (fourteen years ago)
('it *would* be Wood')
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)
i bet whatever tom wrote it wouldn't be all 'ah the rich blah blah blah of this this that, consciousness matters'.
― j., Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)
Ewing can be relied upon to tell us how good he thinks the KLF were.
ILB FAP report: we wondered who was ILM's equivalent of James Wood (I suppose this means: someone with some cultural authority whom some respect but many disdain). It was proposed that the answer is Simon Reynolds.
― the pinefox, Friday, 18 March 2011 10:22 (fourteen years ago)
it feels like a long time since reynolds has been a hot topic round here. he has a new book soon though so.
― suggest and ban is my favourite combination (history mayne), Friday, 18 March 2011 10:39 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Novel-Liam-McIlvanney/dp/0571230865
wherein JW 'takes on' Atonement.
― the pinefox, Friday, 18 March 2011 12:25 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n08/james-wood/whats-next
I liked the start of this, and the attitude to nasty religious attitudes, though I think the last sentence may be more a rhetorical effect than a logical assertion.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 9 April 2011 08:18 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9107386@N06/5686814908/in/photostream
― the pinefox, Thursday, 5 May 2011 08:58 (fourteen years ago)
http://lareviewofbooks.org/post/12467824780/my-disappointment-critic
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 November 2011 15:44 (fourteen years ago)
my sense of this is
a) happy enough to agree with JL's parenthesis about 'thinking about God'b) pretty odd to dredge this up now, and not sure JL explains why he does soc) esp as he couldn't be bothered to keep JW's postcard - puts him an odd position to accuse JW of aristocratic disdain (and even what he remembers of the card sounds quite polite!)d) more broadly / intellectually, JL seems to me to be fighting a very old battle here - the kind of thing that was hot when Leslie Fiedler was going rogue, but that has arguably lost its point today. I think he somewhat 'strongly misreads', or whatever, JW to get him into this argument, which I am not sure is an argument worth having at this point.
It's a bit of a pity (though fun) because I have admired and enjoyed both these writers - it seems wrong that they can't find any common ground.
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 November 2011 15:48 (fourteen years ago)
I like Lethem's journalism but after Motherless Brooklyn I haven't finished any of his novels.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2011 15:54 (fourteen years ago)
the more I think about this essay, the odder it seems
I mean there's a whole section explicitly saying 'I don't read JW, but here's what I think of him, in a general glancing way'
― the pinefox, Monday, 7 November 2011 16:04 (fourteen years ago)
yeah imagine that: a novel indignant over a bad revew
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2011 16:10 (fourteen years ago)
a novelist too
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 November 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/magazine/why-write-novels-at-all.html?hpw
Last year, I found myself mildly obsessed with a cache of YouTube clips, featuring the novelists Jeffrey Eugenides, Jonathan Franzen, Zadie Smith, David Foster Wallace and Nathan Englander at a 2006 literary conference in Italy called Le Conversazioni. Part of what interested me, in a gate-crashing kind of way, was the backdrop: midsummer on the Isle of Capri, with flora aflame and a sky the color of Chablis. Another part, inevitably, was watching Wallace with the knowledge that he would kill himself two years later. Mostly what I kept coming back to, though, was how lighthearted, how loose — how young — these writers seemed here. It’s not that they weren’t already an accomplished quintet, with a Pulitzer Prize and a National Book Award to their credit. But in 2006 the gravitational center of Anglo-American letters still lay back on U.S. soil with Don DeLillo and Cormac McCarthy and John Updike and Toni Morrison and Philip Roth — those towering figures who, according to a Times survey released earlier that year, produced the greatest American fiction of the previous quarter-century. By comparison, Le Conversazioni might as well have been “The Breakfast Club” and Capri a weirdly paradisiacal high-school library.Five years later, in 2011, the islanders finally overran the mainland. Franzen’s “Freedom” was ubiquitous, and just when it threatened to drop off the best-seller lists, the posthumous “Pale King” by Wallace stepped up to take its place. All year long, Zadie Smith was issuing a running commentary on world letters from her post as the house critic at Harper’s, and through the fall, it was hard to tune in to NPR without running into Eugenides — or to miss his giant billboard avatar looming over Times Square.It may seem like a journalistic contrivance to read this group’s collective ascent as evidence of an aesthetic trend. (If you don’t hear people throwing around the term “hysterical realism” anymore, it’s because any net broad enough to catch “The Virgin Suicides,” “The Corrections,” “On Beauty” and “Infinite Jest” is going to have a hard time excluding, say, DeLillo’s “Angel Esmerelda” or much of Philip Roth.) On the other hand, several of these younger writers have actively invited us to see them as standard-bearers, holding forth in essays and interviews about “today’s most engaged young fiction” and “the novel’s way forward.” Is there a sense, then, in which Le Conversazioni’s class of ’06 really does represent a bona fide school?
Five years later, in 2011, the islanders finally overran the mainland. Franzen’s “Freedom” was ubiquitous, and just when it threatened to drop off the best-seller lists, the posthumous “Pale King” by Wallace stepped up to take its place. All year long, Zadie Smith was issuing a running commentary on world letters from her post as the house critic at Harper’s, and through the fall, it was hard to tune in to NPR without running into Eugenides — or to miss his giant billboard avatar looming over Times Square.
It may seem like a journalistic contrivance to read this group’s collective ascent as evidence of an aesthetic trend. (If you don’t hear people throwing around the term “hysterical realism” anymore, it’s because any net broad enough to catch “The Virgin Suicides,” “The Corrections,” “On Beauty” and “Infinite Jest” is going to have a hard time excluding, say, DeLillo’s “Angel Esmerelda” or much of Philip Roth.) On the other hand, several of these younger writers have actively invited us to see them as standard-bearers, holding forth in essays and interviews about “today’s most engaged young fiction” and “the novel’s way forward.” Is there a sense, then, in which Le Conversazioni’s class of ’06 really does represent a bona fide school?
― j., Monday, 16 January 2012 12:47 (thirteen years ago)
was ZS really issuing such a running commentary all through 2011?
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:15 (thirteen years ago)
well she reviewed books every month
― just sayin, Monday, 16 January 2012 13:18 (thirteen years ago)
midsummer on the Isle of Capri, with flora aflame and a sky the color of Chablis
shameful bro
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:51 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.tnr.com/article/books-and-arts/magazine/107209/reader-keep?page=0,0
is ruth franklin like, a straight up james woodite?
― j., Wednesday, 19 September 2012 12:45 (thirteen years ago)