DUNE: c/d

discuss possible links between herbert's mania for unconstrained, natural environmental development with his running story about "The Tyrant" with the strong authorial intervention at each step of the way with his seeming inability to settle on an overarching theme for the story (i mean, he seems to revise the whole continuity in every book! first the tyrant hates the bene gesserit - then all of a sudden they're the only hope in the universe - then they're subsumed into the matres?? and that was the master plan??)

As for story arcs - I didn't think there NEEDED to be one. One of the most attractive points of the books is the way that people swap from side to side - you root for someone that you previously hated.

Best baddies ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7DSvMKzMj4

I am going to an SF book club tonight, where the book is DUNE.

I read the first one long ago and man, that was way more than enough.

Dune the first one = Classic.

Probably one of my top 5 SF novels - loved how the setting was based around this hard environmental science (which in retrospect doesn't make sense anyway), but then it kind of deliberately tried to piss off all the physics nerds by inserting all this great psychic/telepathy stuff into the narrative. "Screw realistic FTL travel, let's just stick this alien in a tank, feed it hallucinogenic drugs, and it can bend us through space and time." Also loved the idea of the Mentats - "we don't trust AI so we will train humans to be computers instead."

It is a) one of the few canonical SF novels that really stands up, b) seems to pave the way for New Wave in the 1960's and simultaneously make a break with SF as it was in the 40's and 50's (although admittedly this is pure speculation on my part as it was many decades before my birth - contemporary fans and writers may have felt differently).

The rest of the series seemed like a dud to me though - I've read several of the sequels multiple times and really I can't remember anything much about them, except the impression that Frank Herbert really didn't want to write them (maybe that is wishful thinking).

first few posts on here are great

haven't read dune since i was 12, but

"seems to pave the way for New Wave in the 1960s": it came out in '65! although bits of it were being serialised, somewhere, before then. actually, in 'trillion year spree' or 'billion year spree' or whatever its called uneasy New Wave figure b. aldiss admiringly quotes bits of dune at length in order to say: "now, see, this, this is better than all those stories with typographical fol-de-rol, this is what REAL modern sf looked like"

i fucking LOVE dune

Herbert named one of his characters "Pieter de Vries", which is one letter away from the name of the 20th century comic novelist Peter de Vries. It's a surreal touch. I like to imagine Herbert thinking "let 'em figure that one out."

It was a nod to skot.

it came out in '65!

For some reason I thought it was like 1960-61. But nevertheless Wikipedia dates the beginning of the New Wave movement to 1964 (which is when Michael Moorcock became editor of New Worlds) and the peak as 1971, so it is certainly contemporaneous and definitely could have been an influence on later New Wave writers. Dangerous Visions is debatably part of the New Wave stuff (depends if we just see it as a British phenomenon), but it is often cited as the definitive American New Wave anthology and that came out after Dune in 1967.

Given that no one seems to really like the sequels (apart from me, obv.), and The White Plague is ye liveliest awfulnesse, did Frank Herbert write anything else any good? Or was he a one book writer?

he wrote this hilarious little dirty limerick on a bathroom wall once

i've heard The Whipping Star is good

Whipping Star is my favorite Herbert.

I only read the first 3 or so when I was about 20. I loved them & want to read them again, but the only way I can read everything I want to read, keep up my internet addiction, walk the dog, draw, eat, sleep, keep husband, etc, is to shunt several Beth Parkers off to parallel universes, then reunite them periodically into one super Beth Parker, rinse, repeat.

After all, failing to bathe, change clothes or clean house only buys you so much time.

You need a spice eating monster to bend you some extra time.

I should go back and read Dune again as I remember loving it then devouring the sequels - though they never quite lived up to the first one.

You need a spice eating monster to bend you some extra time.

Failing that, retirement, at least by the time I hit 80. Disability?

reading the first one again 4 the first time since i was like 12 or 13 ... so so dope

Dune is a classic, even outside of its narrow genre.

Has anyone read the sequels written by Frank Herbert's son and a co-author? I assume they're terrible. (TBH, I thought the last book or two in the series by Frank Herbert were borderline-terrible, e.g., God Emperor of Dune).

Yeah they're awful, the old man and woman at the end of Chapterhouse are not intelligent face dancers but AI survivors from the butlerian jihad

Also Heretics and Chapterhouse are awesome novels but there are inexplicable elements in them that don't seem to blend well with the earlier stories but perhaps that's because i never finished reading God Emperor which is quite boring

Yeah, IIRC, nothing happens in God Emperor. Lotsa "thinking" and "plotting."

Guild Navigators are REAL!!!
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(My nerdiest post ever? No, it's probably something to do with Starfleet Battles)

ilx is very booknerd today.

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Hmm, did a search and thought this was an ILE thread...

Hey so, is there really any reward in reading past the first one? I've read it maybe three times over the last, let's say 10-12 years...I like a lot of the Big Ideas (mainly the whole notion of a character realizing he is the Prophesied Chosen One and being really freaked out about it), but the characters/plot sort of ooze together in the last third or so and I've just never been tempted by the sequels - they feel like cash-ins, but are they?

http://www.moongadget.com/origins/dune.html

An awesome seriously in-depth looks at the Origins of the Book.

really loved the first one and the fourth (god emperor of dune). The Brian Herbert ones are uniformly terrible.

Before I read it, Dune always had a certain mystique to me. That was the result of some combination of the cover, the fact that my older sister had a copy of it and spoke reverently of it, and my failed attempt to read it when I was too young. (I really couldn't handle long-playing novels until I was in 7th, maybe 8th grade, and still didn't read many then.) When I finally read it many years later, I definitely enjoyed it, but I couldn't get into whatever the followup was. I wasn't that thrilled with Herbert's writing even in Dune, but the story and the whole framework carried it for me.

rereading these right now

there is such a dropoff in quality between dune and dune messiah

about to start children of dune, remember it being better, hopefully?

he really is just making this stuff up as he goes, huh

I remember liking all the sequels I read (up to God Emperor, which is teh total amaze).

but cripes, that God Emperor cover above is astonishing.

rereading dune! can't figure out why these are so eminently rereadable to me, but i've read them a million times. even though there's a bunch of stuff that would normally make me not like it, somehow the story makes it all ok.

finally got the dune encyclopedia, what's the best way to read this shit?

http://lparchive.org/Dune/Update%2001/51-vyrw2f.gif

skinless gifs

what game is that from?

Dune the PC Game. I'm on a Let's Play roll these days.

http://lparchive.org/Dune/

is that the isometric RTS one, where you pick one of three houses?

i don't recall the screen looking quite like that but its been, oh, about 20 years since i've played

(that link is blocked for me)

I think you're thinking of Dune 2, which was a strategy game. The first is an adventure game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JROGmTAnS-g

that dune gif is offtm because a sandworm would have disposed of the body long before it could decompose

dune 2 was sweet as hell

never played dune 1, will dosbox

oh wow i just looked at the top of the thread - didn't remember i had started it!

it's nice to read some people talking about how they like the Dune sequels. So I am not alone in the world. But I never finished Heretics or started Chapterhouse.

I am very envious of anyone who has that Dune Encyclopedia. I remember marvelling at it in shops.

they have some good parts but as a whole they are not that great, honestly

my dune encyclopedia is a PDF ;_;

I take it that all the prequels etc. by Norbert Herbert are complete nonsense?

depends how much you like things like licensed star wars or star trek novels

but yeah IMO utter shite

i mean i think like SW or ST novels they have little in the way of the spark of creativity that made the originals great and they are basically just boilerplate sci-fi stuff w a thin layer of in-universe flavor on top

I never knew about the dune encyclopedia! Any good?

I plowed thru the first 3 books in my reread. Books 2 and 3 are much worse than I remember, but something abt this series requires that once I start reading, I have to read it through its entirety... I recall the last two being a return to the quality of book 1 so am curious to see how I feel about it this time around.

relieved to be finished with god emperor of dune so i no longer have to stand around in the subway trying to hid the crazy looking cover...

http://images.wikia.com/dune/images/b/b6/God_Emperor_of_Dune_Cover_Art.jpg

is it weird that I really love Herbert's prose in Dune? feel like a lot of people arent into it but i love it, his descriptions of topography feel like action even when its purely descriptive

Yeah, "planetary romance, " like it says on the Science Fiction Encyclopedia site: not that much science, but what there is (re early use of ecological themes in SF, anyway) enhances the power of the setting, which is also a character, in effect.
Really enjoyed the first two books all through, rooting for the rebellious children of Destiny, but the struggles of the main character in Children of Dune, trying to make (a new) sense of his future(s) get so torturous and sometimes inchoate--appropriately so, but still it got to be too much for me: like, how much of this is to be sympathized with, and waited out, 'til we get to the cool plot twists again---and they do come!--but also, wondering how much we're supposed to take as stunning insights, rather than characters grasping at straws. (Also, some of the secondary and tertiary characters can make pretty stupid moves).
My recent thoughts on God Emperor of Dune, and what might lie ahead, are general impressions, though still may possibly be considered spoilery:
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just finished Dune, read it for the first time. Honestly....I really enjoyed reading this, but the ending seemed kind of dud. Everything seemed to wrap up really quickly without too terribly much struggle. And Paul strikes me as kind of a dick. Will reading Children of Dune make me happier?

Dune Messiah is the second,Children is third, incl. in quality, though it has its strong sections/pages. But If you don't already sympathize with Paul's struggles vs. his fucked-with nature and destiny, go no further (if you do, God Emperor mostly smells like ass, Heretics of Dune is yer Return To Form, but not enough to send me in a timely fashion to Chapterhouse: Dune, the last Dune by series creator Frank Herbert. But I'll get there someday, and could see how the follow-ups written and co-written by his son might work okay as space opera, minus any overload of philosophical etc. elements.

thanks -- yeah, most of the time I rooted for him, but some of the time it was clear he was just as capable of being corrupted by power as anyone else. He struggled with it, but also took advantage of his power at times (and also seemed to have an inability to actually deal with the bad stuff that happened to him, other than just shutting it out completely). I guess that's the point? I've also read that in further books, characters that were once "villains" can become more sympathetic.

Yes, they can---they're all crazy, fucked-with and fucking with, in the cultural midst of cultural imperatives---even the God Emperor means to gradually implode the Order of Things by advancing it, teaching "Don't Follow Leaders, Watch The Parking Meters", but sure does take him a long time, and even though as a comic premise it's funny that he likes torture his followers with huge clouds of philosophical bullshit---like he's Mr. Natural, and everbody else, incl. loyal readers, is Flakey Foont, or Dudley Moore in "Bedazzled"---this isn't as good. But as one of the fucked-with Children of Dune he's more sympathetic. And I'd like to know just how the Bene Gesserit got that way, but anyway they do indeed try to save the day in Heretics--maybe trying too hard in Chapterhouse, judging by sneak peaks, but that tends to the Dune way (incl. that of its creator) after all.

in the culturalmidst, I meant

THE ONLY GOOD ONLINE FANDOM LEFT IS DUNE

https://theoutline.com/post/5333/dune-revival-2018-david-lynch?zd=2&zi=bljps3pa

Loving the critical reassessment of the Lynch film

well, it's nowhere near as shit as the book

I read the series way back in the 80s, but could barely recall it. Re-read the first book recently and was surprised how much I still liked it. Also re-read Dune Messiah, and that book is an utter mess. May still continue on, but I don't have high hopes for the rest.

hadn't realized my fucked-up library sale copy is a first edition

dune messiah is bad. heretics/chapterhouse are pretty good tho

I read them all in middle/high school but I stopped in the early/middle of Chapterhouse when the (spoilers) Literal Jews In Space showed up

finally reading this, almost done. princess irulan sure wrote a lot of different books about the same exact thing.

lol

oh yes . . . i forgot to tell you

Really dislike “‘thopter” as a word.

hahah

*spits on table*

hello I am reading Dune for the first time :D

my bff back home in Oz and I started a quar-bookclub for the two of us last weekend & decided to read Dune.

We set the first half of Chapter “Dune” as our first goal. I thought it’d take me a week bc it just seemed to have a draggy vibe as an outsider? Seemed like such a “boys’ own scifi” to me? like ugh politics and worms and ecology biiiiig woop.
but: breaking news is that it’s great, I’m already caught up and dying to read more.
Thrilled by how it clips along, the pacing is much more brisk than I expected. Love how Herbert sets the table plotwise, it’s v impressive. And all the intrigues, larger political intrigues, personal intrigues, so much subterfuge between subsets & individual characters! All that AND I’ve barely even started learning about sandworms or spice so I’m excited.

My only gripe: SO many NAMES of THINGS that i keep forgetting what they are and have to keep going to the glossary to refresh my memory.

Thopter is truly the worst word.

also Bene Gesserit morphs into Rene Russo in my brain

so glad you're digging it! lol re: "thopter"

they have tried to kill my son!

i mentioned this one the dune movie thread, but i avoided reading it for so long bc of the same 'draggy vibe' assumptions, and was pleasantly surprised to discover its a legit page-turner

Yeah though the first one is best, as I said upthread. Although I did stay hooked through most of the rest.

You guys this book is WILD

Finished “Chapter 1” and I am kinda reeling from all the reveals and uber-intrigue - this is much more of a rollercoaster than i expected

Lady Jessica def my fave (I expect disappointment but don’t tell me either way)

second least-fave word after ‘thopter: lasgun

lol

i have also realized why it is so hard to turn the book into a movie- so much of the drama (that i’ve read so far) lays within a character’s internal thoughts & suspicions, which seems like it would be a tall order to convert into visual

have you seen the (first) movie? because you are otm -- there are a lot of awkward voiceovers

i havent seen any adaptation ever
oh but i will when i am done mark my words

Veg that was always my take too. won't say the particular theme i remember thinking "it'd be hard to get this in a movie, and it's one of the coolest things in this book" about. but yeah 100%. and yet... i'm optimistic about the new one! some elements of the trailer made me think they were aware of this hurdle and that they want to go out of their way to make the thing i'm thinking of workable.

sidebar: i will never forgive Frank Herbert for deciding that a tent needs a “sphincter”

you should blog your reading of this book imo

or if you just keep telling us here that's cool

xp oh dear wait til you get to the detailed stilsuit description

t/s lynch's dune vs cronenberg's dune

Series 2 of the TV show Togetherness has a funny subplot of two friends resurrecting their teenage dream of putting on an avant garde puppet show adaption of Dune.

GHOST RIDE THE WORM 🐛

how far in are you now?

Like all old things, "Dune" is now somewhat controversial but I still love it. It held up strongly on a re-read a couple of years ago.

thopter is a good word (not bad) bcz it sounds like the sound a thopter wd make

Out here still waiting for the new Dune Allman

i am now halfway through the final “chapter” so not much left to go- still no idea how it’s going to end!

harkonnen just got spoilered & the padishah emperor just showed up .. he seems kinda disappointing after all the buildup? idk

oh and princess irulan finally showed up though i was so bored by all her stupid book excepts that i didnt even care when she finally appeared

the only interesting thing princess irulan ever did was provide the name for my tumblr

lol

Can't thopt won't thopt keep keepin on sandworms!

aaaaand done

it kinda just ...ends, huh?

enjoyed v much, 10/10 would knife-fight again
though i have to say the sheer level of detail did become overwhelming at times, v hard to store all the knowledge Herbert’s downloading on you at any one time —and a couple of times he assumes knowledge where there is none which i dont mind but it’s like, OH CMON THROW ME A BONE JFC
so i did scurry to the interwebs for a little clarity a few times

but i didnt feel any hokey datedness at all & am still blown away by the depth of the worldbuilding, and even how much really quite modern psychology he drew on for the mental readiness exercises etc

🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛

Yeah Dune is a hangout book really, whatever the narrative offers is very secondary to getting to live in that mental world for a few hours. I must have read it ten times, and every reread it’s like all the background and extra detail are even more familiar, so I find myself nodding my head and saying yeah, absolutely on the money.

it kinda just ...ends, huh?

you got five books to go!!

SO many NAMES of THINGS

I remember owning a 700pp battered copy of the The Dune Encyclopedia (1984). A searchable PDF is much more convenient.

my kindle version had a terminology section but its definitions were more annoying than helpful lol

veg your responses are making me want to reread this thing. think i've only ever done it twice, once for a high school class and once maybe around college or a little after. so probably at least 15 years, and some things are still very vivid, but they're mostly locales/vibes and all the Liet-Kynes ecosystem stuff... not a ton of specific scenes, and certainly no dialogue. "hangout book" feels right for that.

he becomes a better writer as the series goes along, imo, which is your reward as things become increasingly insane

as i mentioned, my friend & i did this as a bookclub together

in all honestly, nerd feelings aside, *should* we read Dune Messiah?

is it good y/n and if so why
& will i need more dune dictionaries y/n

i am still mad pissed that Hetbert killed off Kynes. like, WHY?? he was one of the best characters.
after he got swallowed into the pre-spice bubble or whatever i had a fleeting theory that he was going to become a worm 😂

dune messiah is my least favorite of the bunch but i think others rate it more highly. and it cannot be accused of being predictable sequel fare

My recent re-read of Dune Messiah made me not want to continue the series. Perhaps I should give Children a chance.

I don't like it much either, it's the comedown of politics and consequences after the rush of the first one. But mookieproof otm, and its unpredictability does a good job of setting up bigger and more interesting things down the track. At least it's short!

hmm

well we will decide in a week or two - it’s either this or LOTR (which we have both read but not in a VERY long time)

I remember liking Dune Messiah and have it on my re-read pile but it was a long long long time since I read it.

i like DM too -- it's deliberately very small-scale tho, macchiavellian court politics

also it had my favourite space-opera style cover:

https://www.sffworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/dunemessiah.jpg

It has the weird quality of being this local neighborhood intrigue, while presumably there's this vague but massive cosmic genocide happening offstage. It all felt incongruous, like the focus didn't make sense.

rejected JBR screen names

Maybe check this, if more curious than worried about possible spoilers (on Rolling Speculative, I saw teen Paul as struggling w identity and fate like his 60-born peer and soul mate Peter Parker Spiderman):

Just finished Dune, read it for the first time. Honestly....I really enjoyed reading this, but the ending seemed kind of dud. Everything seemed to wrap up really quickly without too terribly much struggle. And Paul strikes me as kind of a dick. Will reading Children of Dune make me happier?

― Dominique, Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:25 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Dune Messiah is the second, Children is third, incl. in quality, though it has its strong sections/pages. But If you don't already sympathize with Paul's struggles vs. his fucked-with nature and destiny, go no further (if you do, God Emperor mostly smells like ass, Heretics of Dune is yer Return To Form, but not enough to send me in a timely fashion to Chapterhouse: Dune, the last Dune by series creator Frank Herbert. But I'll get there someday, and could see how the follow-ups written and co-written by his son might work okay as space opera, minus any overload of philosophical etc. elements.

― dow, Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:37 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

thanks -- yeah, most of the time I rooted for him, but some of the time it was clear he was just as capable of being corrupted by power as anyone else. He struggled with it, but also took advantage of his power at times (and also seemed to have an inability to actually deal with the bad stuff that happened to him, other than just shutting it out completely). I guess that's the point? I've also read that in further books, characters that were once "villains" can become more sympathetic.

― Dominique, Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:23 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, they can---they're all crazy, fucked-with and fucking with, in the cultural midst of cultural imperatives---even the God Emperor means to gradually implode the Order of Things by advancing it, teaching "Don't Follow Leaders, Watch The Parking Meters", but sure does take him a long time, and even though as a comic premise it's funny that he likes torture his followers with huge clouds of philosophical bullshit---like he's Mr. Natural, and everbody else, incl. loyal readers, is Flakey Foont, or Dudley Moore in "Bedazzled"---this isn't as good. But as one of the fucked-with Children of Dune he's more sympathetic. And I'd like to know just how the Bene Gesserit got that way, but anyway they do indeed try to save the day in Heretics--maybe trying too hard in Chapterhouse, judging by sneak peaks, but that tends to the Dune way (incl. that of its creator) after all.

― dow, Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:21 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the culturalmidst, I meant

― dow, Thursday, September 22, 2016

Strikethrough of that extra "cultural" didn't make it into paste. Local library also has early The Ecology of Dune, come to think of it.

yeah i am not as big on Douchelord Paul now that he is really leaning into it all

he kinda went back and forth through the book and I appreciated the few moments when Jessica was able to check him

Welll---he earns his very own (better not say more, but he does)

i reread dune messiah for the first tme in probably 30 years if not more

there's more of it that i don't follow than i remember lol (the complex motivations that wd be delivered in whispered voice-overs if david lunch was filming it)

i still like its sense of small-scale intimate corrupt court biz and its semi-pointless gaudiness (the conspirators somehow remind me of an aladdin pantomime)

Just started reading/listening to 'Dune' on Audible. Wow. Why did I put this off so long??

It's great that they have atmospheric music and a cast of voices to play the different parts. I'm also reading the book so I know how the hell you spell things like "Kwisatz Haderach"

I'm currently about 3/4 through Children of Dune. Definitely an improvement over Dune Messiah, which I found kind of pointless. This has much more of a fleshed out plot and characters.

I keep thinking about how weird Herbert's writing style is. So much of these books consist of a pair of characters talking to each other in riddles. At times, it can be a bit difficult to see if it has meaning or just sounds deep.

dune messiah sucks

if you're 3/4 through 'children' and still engaged, then you have passed the . . . test

'god emperor' is intensely weird but worthwhile

five and six are more like standard SF (but i like them)

the books by his son are astonishingly terrible; you and i could do better over slack

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I read God Emperor about 30+ years ago and recall liking it, so I'll probably read again. Have never read 5 and 6, we'll see if I have patience for them.

I mean... I'm new to all this. I always assumed it would be very dry, which I guess it would be if it weren't so well realised? This is probably an obvious and well-worn observation but you can see where Star Wars and Game of Thrones and any number of other sci-fi/fantasy universes got their ideas from.

i finally got around to Dune at the start of the pandemic & loved it & would love more of it. everyone seems to agree that Messiah is bad & not worth the effort - would i be lost at sea if i skipped it and went right to Children?

very probably.

also mark s. likes it iirc. and it's relatively short

it's a quick read and it sets up the events of Children of Dune, it just feels a bit pointless on its own, there isn't much of a story there

Pinky nail summaries of all 24 books to date, in chrono order, no more spoilery than nec.:
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/g38012512/dune-books-in-order/

Dune is the ur-text of modern science fiction. It's rare to find a book that draws, successfully, on so many disparate ideas to form a coherent narrative.

Imho, the whole series is untouchable through God Emperor. He could have ended the entire saga there and left everyone satisfied. I understand that bills gotta be paid, though, and the last two books are not unreadable, they just don't add much, if anything, to the story.

("nail" makes me think of Martin Luther)

just finished dune messiah and it was indeed as bad & pointless as i had been led to believe. after the epic sweep of dune this one felt weirdly stagebound, a tale of the galactic struggle for control of infinite cosmic spacetime that takes place entirely in like 3 different rooms, with what feels like only about 8 speaking parts altogether. but ironically i'm kind of more interested in getting to children of dune now just based on the prospect that it will surely be better than this one, and help me feel like the time spent on this one wasnt wasted.

no its good shut up

Red Nation, radical indigenous presenters look at the Dune film from last year in terms of colonialism etc.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3eF0TJNCvx5rrrk0E4NwS6?si=49d64aed6f4348c1

Leto II has total recollection of the memories of all his ancestors, which means that he remembers watching The Phantom Menace in theaters.

— Mia Moore (@StopTweetingMia) October 12, 2022

thought this made more sense here than the film threads on ILE

https://fontsinuse.com/uses/43515/the-mystery-of-the-dune-font

“Yueh! Yueh! Yueh!” goes the refrain. “A million deaths were not enough for Yueh!”

some ilx0r needs to create a song out of this imo

Yueh Yueh
oh
no
he gotta go
Ay ya hya chouhada

hey
yueh
baron’s got your wife now
don’t you worry yueh

🐦[Leto II has total recollection of the memories of all his ancestors, which means that he remembers watching The Phantom Menace in theaters.
— Mia Moore (@StopTweetingMia) October 12, 2022🕸]🐦

a thing i like abt the acronym CHOAM is that what it stands for is really no less inscrutable = Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles

Yeah that's David Foster Wallace level

found scribbled in blood on a scrap of paper as he emerged from a multi-week spice bender, soon after he found himself checked in at the group home

the word "honnete" in my corporate acronym has people asking a lot of questions already answered by the word "honnete"

Kyle MacLachlan and Frank Herbert: The Boys pic.twitter.com/xcGURGQ4IL

— Patrick (@Pilgrim945) August 25, 2021

uniting eastern and western WA

a prime up-the-arse corner candidate

in the introduction to Dune Messiah, Brian Herbert claims, unprompted, that Frank Herbert would have been one of the all time great US Presidents (?) had he decided to do that instead of becoming a writer

— caroline (going woman) (@soonrightaway) February 24, 2024

caroline (going woman) @soonrightaway: in the introduction to Dune Messiah, Brian Herbert claims, unprompted, that Frank Herbert would have been one of the all time great US Presidents (?) had he decided to do that instead of becoming a writer

dune messiah continues to deliver

Now I can't get the image of a sandworm with Trump's face on it out of my mind.

spice force

Make Arrakis Great Again

^^ https://www.tiktok.com/@loloverruled/video/7342915568074247454