2006: what are you reading now?

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yes it's a couple days early but the other one is far too long and i am on dialup until january so.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

william empson's collected poems, vietnam novels and criticism of'em, dave sim's cerebus.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Tom: Go under "settings" and set it to "show only the last 50 messages".

So, how are you going about reading those collected poems?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

This, and turning off the images, has radically changed my ILXing for the better.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

dave sim's cerebus

The whole thing at once?

I gave up on actually reading Morrissey and Marr by the time I got to the "Meat Is Murder" era and just skimmed to the end. I think I've recovered from the last semester and am ready to read something non-frivolous again. After I quickly go through Jean Smith's The Beginner's Guide to Zen Buddhism (because I'm thinking about going back to regular sitting practice), I'm going to tackle Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations (because I'm thinking about sitting in on a Wittgenstein seminar next semester; I was skim-reading secondary material preparatory to doing this before the holidays).

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

Do you have that new translation?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

there's a new translation? i've been meaning to go back to that, and i don't have a copy, tell me things about it

yes, i am trying to read all of cerebus at once. although i'm trying to at least make a cup of tea between individual issues, which i think is where i went wrong the first time, making me not notice e.g. "hey that conversation was one whole issue and structured quite clevely", and these little micro pleasures in it are a larger part of the total pleasure to be gained from the thing, it having problems on the macro level that anyone familiar with even the idea of it knows about. (although i think there's a case to be made for the whole thing considering how the themes set up include 'masculine folly' and 'overweening ambition'.) i just finished church and state book one, the last half dozen issues of which are just remarkable. (although it does his annoying thing of hoping you'll remember a gag character from two years before - ) (which another thing i did my first attempt, read it out of order, really did not help with. i read the first half and bits of form and void and latter days, which means i have avoided the whole women-read-minds-guys spell - o, wait, i read guys)

i am reading empson's collected poems by opening it at random, but empson was one of those people smart enough not to write more than about eighty pages of poetry in his lifetime, to the eternal gratitude of uh of well me; - he did write about two hundred pages of notes to it, tho.

(i have some kind of fear of turning on that setting. what does it do if i have a thread with 51 new messages?)

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

It shows you how many new messages there are, then when you open the thread, it shows you the number of hidden messages. Under that is a link that says "Show all messages". But if you don't want to show all 956 hidden messages, you can go back into your settings and up the message count to 75 or whatever the next step is, then go back to the thread (a link appears after you change your settings to take you back where you came in from).

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

Also, if there are more than 50 unread messages, then it shows you everything from the first unread message on. Which is a fairly new feature, and is completely great.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

PI: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0631231277

It's bilingual. I don't have it (yet) though.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago)

ah, that's the one i've been meaning to get! for ages in fact. i saw it in shops a couple years ago when i was reading a falling-apart library hardback.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

i'm trying to at least make a cup of tea between individual issues, which i think is where i went wrong the first time

I know I've fallen prey to that a bit myself. I found some random single issues from the "Church and State" storyline in a used bookstore last summer, and as I was paging through them I got a much greater aesthetic charge from the individual pages as page compositions than I had gotten from reading the collections. (I've not actually read all of Cerebus-- I started skimming pretty heavily once I got up to browsing the "Going Home" days, and I only actually own the series up to Women.) Yeah, I think in some weird metaphorical way the male/female symbology holds up, but the caricatures of the Cirinists gets to be a little too much almost immediately after they're introduced. Sim's some kind of brilliant, but, yeah, by its nature Cerebus is lumpy as all hell and eventually I get to the point where I'm tired of his bullshit takes on everything, so I don't know if I'll ever expand my Cerebus library to encompass Reads and beyond. Sounds you're in for a fun project though.

Do you have that new translation?

No, I've got it out from the school library so I have the 3rd edition instead. I wonder what Anscombe changed-- I was reading some of the secondary stuff Jaakko Hintikka's done, and he makes all sorts of remarks about the inaccuracy of Anscombe's translations. Some people seem to think that she really didn't understand Wittgenstein at all, which is problematic for me since she's the primary English translator of his stuff.

Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps we could have monthly threads.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago)

Invite a few more people to the board.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

Decided to go with "Snow" by Pamuk, and also I'm reading "What Went Wrong" by Bernard Lewis -- you know, THAT book. My dad gave it to me after 9/11 and I was too annoyed by the whole thing to read it at the time.

It's a very readable interesting history, actually, but it seems hopelessly biased by the fact that, well, the West won -- so it becomes kind of circular, and it's all too easy to prove WHY the West won.

I also have a feeling that there's a flaw in the simplistic division of "Christendom" and "Islam," sort of implying that today's Arab states are nothing but outgrowths of the Ottoman Empire, and also that all European states, even the weakest ones, were successful by virtue of being part of Europe.

Did that make any sense?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

a few things...

trying to get to the end of "The Master and Margerita" after my initial enthusiasm died under the weight of slapstick. "A Supposedly Fun Thing To Do..." which i bought because of the recent DFWallace threads - i was surprised at how much i like his style and cleverness (!) so i picked up "Oblivion" with christmas book tokens as well. just about to start Knut hamsun's "Hunger" bought for me for christmas by my b/f (it's a key book for him). i'm also reading ILX waaaaaay too much.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Abbadavid, I couldn't get through that Lewis book, because the arguments were not only biased and flawed, but (I felt) arrogant.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

i first read the investigations in some sort of dual-language library copy, the publication details of which i did not pay attention to; and then one of the blue, english-only macmillan editions was my working copy for some years. i think both were probably third edition translations. since my macmillan edition fell in a toilet i've been using one of the recent bilingual fourth editions published by blackwell (which, incidentally, are usually cheaper than the macmillan editions that are still available, despite being hardcover and bilingual and more worked over, for some dumb reason). and now i've got another macmillan one kicking around again. but despite my preoccupation with translation i've never taken the time to figure out what anscombe fixed. nothing's ever stuck out; i assume most of the changes were quite minor.

some of them may have been made with the benefit of the genetic-critical german edition that came out in 2001. david stern sez in his 2004 book on the investigations that no english version to date has included the motto, which i suppose means that none had included the motto up to the fourth, bilingual, edition (since it does). so, there's one difference.

the literary executors have chopped 'part ii' off the end of the latest german edition; i reckon eventually they'll bring the english editions into line with that decision? i'll hafta get another one then. woo!

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Where I Was From by Joan Didion

youn, Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:06 (nineteen years ago)

Vadis Philip K. Dick
The Confusion: Baroque Cycle, 2 Neal Stephenson

and I'm beginning to dip into the first volume of Naguib Mahfouz's Cairo Trilogy, Palace Walk which is lovely but a bit intimidating. Should I keep it up?

remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 29 December 2005 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

and I'm beginning to dip into the first volume of Naguib Mahfouz's Cairo Trilogy, Palace Walk which is lovely but a bit intimidating. Should I keep it up?

I really enjoy Mahfouz's work - thought that Palace Walk was excellent, but kind of burned out by the final book (Sugar Street?).

Have you read any of his other works?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

So I finished "You're an Animal, Viskovitz!" and it's good without being in any way provocative. The sort of book you give to your sister's boyfriend, if he can read.

And to take me to the end of this hopelessly compromised four word December, I (like jed_) am reading "The Master And Margarita". I am enjoying it, but my enjoyment keeps threatening to turn into a raging kind of (literary) love, and never quite does. Or hasn't yet.

Recommendations for books entitled "The _____ of the ________" still gratefully received.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 December 2005 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

I received many fine books this Christmas and am drooling over them all while I try very hard to finish stupid Fatal Shore (two months! Some sort of new record for me) and decide what to read next. I think next year's reading rule will have to be 'one book without a ship on the cover for every book with one'. It could be difficult.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

thanks for all that, josh

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 29 December 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

Tim: I like this new "something something something, someone!" book form, though! I can't think of too many -- "Surely You Must Be Joking, Mr Feynman!" and, in a different sense, "Speak, Memory".

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, "Raise High The Roofbeams, Carpenters"! This could totally be doable.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Wait Until Spring, Bandini!", "Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence!", "Goodbye, Mr. Chips!". There's a tolerably good Mayra Montero novel called "You, Darkness". It's doable, for certain, but I'm not sure how enjoyable it would be.

Too much punctutation, I'm still saying (note: '"You're An Animal, Viskovitz!"' has the speechmarks in the actual title, making it positively engorged with punctuation. This must be unacceptably decadent to civilsed folks like, er, us?).

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Still reading the Booker shortlist. In the spirit of challenging my own prejudices I'm about 100 pages or so into The Sea, having finished Never Let Me Go yesterday. What a very strange book that was, it left me thinking I might be better off reading nothing but Wodehouse for the rest of my life, on the grounds that literature is probably bad for you.

Only Sebastian Barry to go after the Banville, although I may be tempted to give myself what I hope will be a treat by reading 20,000 Streets Under The Sky first.

frankiemachine, Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

tim, in russian you can't even claim the questionable 'the'!


what the upshot of that was, tom, is, read whatever version you can find.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 29 December 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

A Crack in the Edge of the World' by Simon Winchester.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

just finished: jimmy mcdonough's big bosoms and square jaws: the biography of russ meyer, king of the sex film
just started: marilynne robinson's gilead
will likely next read: raymond queneau, zazie in the metro

joseph (joseph), Friday, 30 December 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

is the meyer one any good?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 30 December 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Saving Fish From Drowning by Amy Tan. It's overdue.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Saturday, 31 December 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

it's 12.13 am here (in india) so it's 2006, I'm reading the no.1 ladies' detective agency.

Fred (Fred), Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

collection of william carlos williams poems, dave egger's heartbreaking work... and how we are hungry, the creators by daniel boorstin... and some john berger when it hits me right.

Peter Densmore (pbnmyj), Sunday, 1 January 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Just read a little book, On Reading and Writing, V.S. Naipul. More of a snack than a book, but pleasant enough to read.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 1 January 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

'Spouse', Shobba De..... turns out marriage is more than mutual respect and gr8 sex..not that i had given it much thought b4 but...have a feeling i'l c better written books on the same subject
Next on the List: 'Thinking about Biology'...Stephen Webster

PS Cheers, HNY'06!

never mind, Sunday, 1 January 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Rites of Passage by William Golding, largely because of the TV adaptation a few months ago, and Kate St C's constant championing of it (and its sequels) on ILE.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 1 January 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

just finished The Sorrows of Young Werther (haha)
just starting Jean-Claude Izzo's Total Chaos

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 1 January 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I have just started Crime and Punishment as part of my self-declared Year of the Great Russian Novel.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 January 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Gibbon is a Funny Guy.

And I've got about a hunderd pages of Don Quixote left to re-read.

I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

Finished Lanark on New Year's Eve and will finish Mission to America tonight. I think the next monumental tome will be The Tale of Genji since we have a nice two volume edition on a shelf somewhere.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 2 January 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

Jaq, if you're casting about for monumental tomes, I suggest you avoid The Making of Americans by Gertrude Stein. Every copy should come with a cyanide pill to hold between one's back teeth whilst reading it, in case one feels compelled to finish it.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 2 January 2006 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

those two are right next to each other on my shelf!

aimless, i wonder if you could try alternative ways of reaching the text.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 2 January 2006 05:55 (nineteen years ago)

We have been wanting to do a public out-loud reading of "Making of Americans" (such as has been done in NYC for years) and that's the only way I'm ever going to get through any of it (a reading takes something like 50+ hours).

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 2 January 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

Walt Whitman, Song of Myself

the firefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Two recently arriven tomes from the New Press:

Wal-Mart: The Face of Twenty-First-Century Capitalism; and
Slavery in New York, published in conjunction with the New-York Historical Society exhibit

Mary (Mary), Monday, 2 January 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Almost finished 'The Nimrod Flip-Out' by Etgar Keret. Very good. I've decided he's the Israeli Ivor Cutler.

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oulipo Compendium

Matt (Matt), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

The Odyssey.

Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental (Øystei, Monday, 2 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Aimless - hmmmm, Making of Americans has been recommended by two people. I think I will tackle The Recognitions and possibly all of Proust, prior.

I was looking this morning for The Crying of Lot 49 as something slim to take to the gym (when I go, I end up with 20 or so minutes to kill while RJM finishes pedaling to nowhere), but we straightened things up and I couldn't spot it. So, I am rereading The End of the Affair instead.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

All my opinions can be redeemed for small, hard, banana-flavored food pellets. Can those other two say the same?

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

philip k dick's galactic pot-healer, last night

tom west (thomp), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

One day in waterstones I read the first sentence of the "new" Proust and thought it was very good. If I could be sure the following sentences were up to that standard, I might read the whole thing.

I am still reading Peel.

And the articles about The WHO in Mo-Jo.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

It is January and January is the month of "The _____ of the _______" or 'the month of "The This of the That"' as I have been calling it to those few people in real life who can still bear to talk to me.

I am starting off with "The Year of the Hare" by Arto Paasilinna. It has that dry Scando melancholy light-heartedness which I love so much. It's Finnish. I must admit to my shame that I don't know whether Finnish counts as Scandinavian, properly speaking.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't, at least not according to Danish, Norwegian or Swedish people. It's Nordic.

(my source for this: the lecturers in a Scandinavian Cultural History course I studied at university)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear. My sincere apologies to any Finnish or Scandinavian readers who may have been upset in any way by my cultural insensitivity.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

We don't care. Most of us aren't really sure either. Hell, to be a real pain about it, Denmark isn't part of the Scandinavian peninsula either - though it IS always agreed on as part of Scandinavia. Whee.
If you wish to refer to the region w/Finland included, go for "The Nordic Countries", which consists of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland, plus Denmark's Faroe Islands and Greenland, and Finland's Åland.

-

I'm reading Dr Jekyll And Mr Hyde and a collection of texts by Daniil Kharms (I'm sprinkling my reading of The Odyssey with short novels etc now)

Øystein (Øystein), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Talking of our Nordic friends, I've regressed to childhood and am reading Comet in Moominland. One of the finest adventures I read as a kid. I've also read Brokeback Mountain and the collected poems and stories of Edgar Allen Poe this year.

I just stayed at a Skandic hotel in Finland. This may confuse things further.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Øystein!

Also: I love Kharms, I must get round to re-reading the Kharms book I have when this daft numbers of words per month business is all over.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

PJM, I am glad that you are reading those articles: I will inform Peter and Roger.

re. that Proust sentence, remember what I once said about how Proust stacks up next to Paul Morley. I can't quite, but maybe you can. It was relevant.

Jaq's reading continues profoundly to impress.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Still two-timing with George R.R. Martin and Javier Marias. Dying to move on to more Joan Didion...

zan, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

According to Mister Monkey, the Finnish language is part of the Finno-Ugric group of Uralic (from the Urals, obv) languages, which is very different from the Scandinavians. You are, Oystein, closely related to the Hungarians, according to the Britannica. Fascinating, huh?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I read William Styron's Lie Down in Darkness over Christmas break. The fly-leaf copy on the original hardback is ludicrously awestruck. I wish I had it with me so I could copy some of it down. Something like: "Once in a generation a work of such genius comes along that it's hard to find superlatives to describe it". It wasn't that good, though much of it is surprisingly not bad - especially when it sticks closely to Loftis's point of view.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Estonian also fits into the Finno-Ugric group. All three are amazing languages. I love that they have specific noun cases for expressing "with" and "without." It gives me great pleasure when ordering a coffee.

zan, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Øystein was Norwegian, no?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Daniil Kharms! I have only had the slightest introduction to him, but I'd like to read more. What's the best place to start?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Read "more" really means read "some".

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hammer of the Gods: strangely unsatisfying
High-Rise, JG Ballard
David Foster Wallace Can Suck My Dick (with footnotes), Dave Eggers-oh, wait, that only exists in my fantasies

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

and Paul Celan "Romanian Poems", but I'm always reading Celan, out loud, in German, drowning out my next-door neighbor who only listens to "Sour Times" and "Glory Box." Although it's kind of appropriate, come to think of it

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember, Foxy, about the Morley/Proust axis. Peter and Roger are on good terms though. I can't help feeling you have had something to do with this.

I have finished the Peel bit of the Peel book. I was going to stop there, but Sheila's bit is good too.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

Chris I have this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1852423064/qid=1136368102/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-8215260-8590864 which I love, but since it's the only one I've read, I've no idea whether it's agood place to start, or not.

I have finished "The Year of the Hare" which turns out to be a rather ace comic novel whose hint of melancholy largely blows over by the end. Well done it.

Next up: "The Day of the Owl" by Sciascia.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

Finn Family Moomintroll. 2006 is the year I become a child again.

This book is well skill.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

PJM, yes, I pointed out to them the relevance of the spirit of Christmas, at that time of the year (around December).

It is good how people read Joan Didion.

Mr Monkey is impressive.

I meant to give Hopkins some recommendations but they have all fallen away, somehow, or perhaps been made by others.

But my eye falls on a book: Elizabeth Bowen, The Death of the Heart.

The Hound of the Baskervilles, The Sign of Four.

The Last of the Mohicans

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

"The Sign of Four" appears to be missing a definite article.

THOTB and TLOTM are books I have not read. There's an edition of the former with delightful illustrations by Edward Bawden, perhhaps that's the one for me.

I am interested in this Elizabeth Bowen business, she wrote at least two "The This of the That" novels ("Death / Heart" and "Heat / Day"). Bless her. Both of those titles would look impressive in Scrabble but would make distressingly low scores. All those Ts and Es and As, leavened only by the odd H and D. By which I mean to say, thank you.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

(Graham Greene is another serial "The This of the That" writer, btw.)

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

There you go - The End of the Affair! (which, btw, contributed to a nightmare last night, me being chased by a mad jealous lover in a sort of Ted Turner mode, brandishing a bullwhip while my husband drove us not quickly enough around a downtown LA that was warped and kind of Florentine in a tiny clownish sports car with no oomph) I think I'll finish it tonight then on to Genji.

Other GG works in the pattern:
The Name of Action
The Ministry of Fear
The Heart of the Matter
The End of the Party

My favorite, and 4 words though not in the pattern: Our Man in Havana

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I am intending "End/Affair" to be the final book I read this month. It seems the right thing to do. Thanks! Also, sorry to hear about the nighmare, especially the oomph. I haven't had a decent nightmare in ages.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

The occasional nightmare's alright, esp. literature derived ones. They give me something to puzzle over in the morning, rather than think about work. Gravity's Rainbow churned up some really odd ones.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I must have meant The Sign of the Four.

I read about half of The Heat of the Day once - c. 11 years ago, in fact.

TH, it would cheer me to think that you would read The Hound of the Baskervilles. It would make a change from all those Swedish books about foxes that you read, though clearly only a slight change.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'll see what I can do.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

On amazon.co.uk. there seem to be books called "The Sign of Four" and audiobooks called "The Sign of the Four". It's a puzzle.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Daniil Kharms! I have only had the slightest introduction to him, but I'd like to read more. What's the best place to start?
There's not much to pick from, as far as I know. Some children's stories plus all those absurdist things that weren't published until he was "disappeared". I should think there'd be some "complete works" collections available in English.

For some concrete advice, you can find a good number of those stories at the following webpage: http://www.sevaj.dk/kharms/kharmseng.htm
I don't know how good the translations are, but I liked the few I read on there.

Oh, and Ken L is quite correct, I am indeed Norwegian. I'm rather pleased that someone here knew.

I'm reading Nathalie Sarraute's "Les Fruits d'or" now.

High-Rise, JG Ballard
How is this? I've only read some of Ballard's science fiction short stories, which were of varying quality, though some were truly great. Anyhoo, I know my library has High-Rise in storage, AND I own a copy of "Concrete Island", so I really ought to get around to the fellow.
High-Rise's cover always makes me think of Monty Python's pirate accountants sailing around in their buildings.

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really liking High-Rise, but Ballard as a whole is kind of hit/miss for me. Though I like the themes in his work (depersonalization by technology leading to dependence on basest human instincts and all that)

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

the pinefox: I don't understand how anyone could not read her. I just read one or two essays and I was hooked. She's inescapably absorbing. I'm sending her latest as a present to everyone I know, and I've already ordered most of her fiction for myself. I wish I'd started reading her years ago...

And I think that after Didion, Finland should be this year's reading theme (even though Mr. Øystein is Norwegian, and Tove Jansson wrote in Swedish). It's certainly been neglected in my collection. Apart from Paasalinna, can anyone recommend some good Finnish authors? (Perhaps this should be a separate thread...)

zan, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I still want to read Slouching Towards Bethlehem, a lot.

I guess I mean, I want very much to read it, and I would like to read it a lot; for I do usually reread such books repeatedly.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on the lookout for a good hardcover copy of STB, as I think it might used again and again myself. (For some reason, there seems to be a slew of spare copies in Australia and New Zealand. Either abebooks just started including the Antipodes in their database, or there's been a mass riddance of Didion down under.)

zan, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

That would be "might GET used again and again." Pardon.

zan, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Tove Jansson - The Exploits of Moominpappa, plus the Calligrapher by Edward Docx, which has started brightly.

I had a dream involving Hattiefattiners last night. The Moomins are getting into my dreams.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 5 January 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

Zan, Finnish books I have read fairly recently and can recommend:

Johanna Sinsalo: Not Before Sunrise (it's about trolls, how very Finnish, but in a kind of gritty realistic context. Oh! Does that make it magic realism? How unfashionable!)

Kjell Westö: Lang (noiry thriller in a media world)

Mikael Niemi: Popular Music (this is Swedish-Finnish rather than Finnish, but I'm sure we won't mind that, will we? It's a rites-of-passage-in-the-sixties thing, I remember thinking "My Life As A Dog" but a bit older and with pop not boxing).

I'm sure others know more.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 5 January 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

I've just finished Andrey Kurkov's Death and the Penguin which had that great eastern european comic bleakness that I adore so much in Gombrowicz. Next up: Pessoa's Book of disquiet

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 5 January 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I have read Slouching Towards Bethlehem more than once. I think that's where my supermarket car park knowledge comes from. Or it could be The White Album.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 5 January 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished The Men Who Stare At Goats. Crazy! I sort of wanted MORE though, like a huge conspiracy of silence is uncovered and the US Government collapses and Jon Ronson saves the world. But I suppose nobody reads books.

Now I'm reading Ximenes 'On The Art of the Crossword', a stone cold classic in what is admittedly a very small genre.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 5 January 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

PJM, The White Album (it is hard for me not to type 'LP') contains an essay about malls: I think that's where it comes from, unless Didion was even more obsessive about supermarket car parks than me and you.

the bellefox, Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

PS / I finished that Whitman poem, and read other writers on Whitman: James, Amy Lowell, Lawrence, Pound, Eliot among them.

the bobfox, Thursday, 5 January 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Tim! I've looked at the Niemi a few times in the store... I'll have to pick it up next time. The Sinsalo one sounds interesting...

zan, Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I am indeed Norwegian. I'm rather pleased that someone here knew.
How could I forget? Your countryman OleM is always giving us a hard time on the cryptic crossword page ;)

But I don't think you ever weighed in on this thread.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 5 January 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Tim: Apparently, the Sinisalo book is called "Troll: A Love Story" in the US.

zan, Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I am almost finished with "The Chrysalids" by John Wyndham. It is fun, in a high school english class kind of way. I just read "The League of Extraordinary Gentleman II", which was also really fun. Before that was "The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age" by Frances Yates. Not as fun, but still interesting.

I have no clue where to go next. Anybody know any good novels set in 18th C. Britain, preferably written relatively recently?

stewart downes (sdownes), Thursday, 5 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished The Men Who Stare At Goats. Crazy! I sort of wanted MORE though

Yeah, it wasn't as much of an expose as I thought it would be going into it-- I was actually pretty disappointed.

Today I read The Man Who Fell to Earth (functional '60s SF, but not that great-- nowhere near as crazy as the movie version) before I really got up, and then Wittgenstein in 90 Minutes (more like 30 minutes, actually-- a total hatchet job and sort of depressing) in the bookstore whilst shopping for "graphic novels".

Chris F. (servoret), Friday, 6 January 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jan. 5, 2006 - and this thread is already 100 answers long. Maybe this year we can divide up our "What are you reading?" threads by the month. Methinks it would invite greater participation.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 6 January 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

Speer: The Final Verdict, by Joachim Fest. Bought because Downfall was so good. This is also great.
I read an article recently about how the only Eurpean history English-speakers know is the French revolution and Napoleonic wars, the two world wars, and the Third Reich, so this is the last book on the Third Reich I'll be reading for a while. But it is very good.
(Next up - the French revolution!)

Ray (Ray), Friday, 6 January 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am almost finished with "The Chrysalids" by John Wyndham. It is fun, in a high school english class kind of way

I had to read it in high school English class myself. Didn't think much of it, but did try attempting to identify the obscure Canadian location.

Anybody know any good novels set in 18th C. Britain, preferably written relatively recently?

There's Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, but it is fairly long.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 6 January 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Over Christmas I finished Michael Moorcock's 'Mother London'. I enjoyed parts of it immensely but thought it could have been cut down by a third.

I'm now reading 'Martin Eden' by Jack London. It's very good.

Mog, Friday, 6 January 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

UPDATE the Ballard is making me a little queasy mit der vertigo. I'm not kidding

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

jonathan strange and mr. norrell. 130 pages in. does it get any more interesting or does it continue to be a series of little events? because it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

That cryptic crossword thread is my greatest and maybe only contribution to ILX.

I am reading 'Borderliners' which is really disappointing after 'The History of Danish Dreams' but I am finishing because might as well get something achieved this week. Also, 'Who Was Queen Victoria?' which is utterly wonderful and interesting and delightful and aimed at dim nine-year olds and I want to read the whole series.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Jan. 5, 2006 - and this thread is already 100 answers long. Maybe this year we can divide up our "What are you reading?" threads by the month. Methinks it would invite greater participation.

Yeah, this is a really good idea.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

I started Psmith in the City finally, but we'll see if I keep up with it. I'm not that thrilled with the first few chapters, what with my knowing butkus about cricket. Also I realized that I'm reading rather a lot of books at once right now:

Psmith in the City (Wodehouse)
The Varieties of Religious Experience (Wm James)
On Food And Cooking (McGee)
Daily Life in Greece at the Time of Pericles (Robert Flacelière)

I'm forgetting one. But those, and a few poetry books and a few cookbooks, are all being "read", even though some are being read at a very slow rate, and some I have been reading for over a year.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Bigger things do start happening in Strange and Norrell, and there's an overarching plot and everything. But still, if you're not enjoying it so far these things may not make a difference.

Ray (Ray), Saturday, 7 January 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Strange and Norrell was very slow to get started but totally loved it in the end. OTOH my wife couldn't get into it and has just given up a couple of hundred pages in. If you don't think it's picking up once Strange is properly involved it may not be for you.

I'm reading Sebastian Barry's A Long, Long Way, having just finished Patrick Hamilton's The Midnight Bell. Too early to get any feel for the Barry. The Hamilton was a bit of a disappointment given it's reputation, much rawer and more amateurish than I expected, although the book definitely exerts a weird fascination despite its clumsinesses.

frankiemachine, Saturday, 7 January 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

still about the reformation. also lots on aristotle, to no great effect yet. and stephen toulmin's 'uses of argument'. and a little bit of nietzsche.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Baudrillard's America, which seems to me to be more OTM than people were willing to give it credit for in whatever thread it was I got the idea to read it from. Maybe I'll finally read the Wittgenstein tomorrow.

Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 7 January 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

The Goodbye Kiss by Massimo Carlotto - really the most shockingly violent book I've read in a long time - and I'm enjoying it too.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 8 January 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

The Winners by Julio Cortazar

quinn c. (baby lenin pin), Sunday, 8 January 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

I FINALLY FINISHED THE FATAL SHORE! Bring the jubilee! Ask me anything about penal Australia. Anything. Go on, I dare you.

Now I am reading Muriel Spark's The Ballad of Peckham Rye, on the suggestion of someone, possibly Mikey G. It's great. I've said it before of Muriel Spark and Beryl Bainbridge, but less really is more with those gals.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 8 January 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading The Electric Michelangelo (good), and Sideways (better as a film).

Archel (Archel), Monday, 9 January 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

I finished "The Day of the Owl" and it's wonderful and insidious, there's an afterword in which Sciascia talks about how he spent ages pruning the work, and it shows. I wonder whether, in the early '60s, readers were less familiar with mafia-nbased stories than they are now? TDOTO didn't feel like cliche, to me.

Then I read "The Essence of the Thing" by Madeleine St John, which is, I suppose, high-end chicklit (haha if MstJ ever googles this she'll likely want to kill me), I imagine it aspires to have a blurb which says "a forensic dissection of the emotional trauma of a break-up" or similar, and it certainly achieves a sense of the blankness and confusion at the middle of that kind of pain. I liked it.

Now: "The Member of the Wedding" by Carson McCullers.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 9 January 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, one of my absolute favourite books :)

Archel (Archel), Monday, 9 January 2006 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Elia Kazan A Biography by Richard Schickel is my late-breaking non-fiction favoite of 2005. Strikes a nice balance between personal revelation (the life) and critical evaluation (the work) while avoiding "pathography." Totally schooled me on the theatre, very interesting on the 50s anti-communist Hollywood blacklist and Kazan's controversial testimony before HUAC where he "named names." You don't have to buy Schickel's passionate defense of Kazan to be absorbed and absorb the torturous complexities of the period.

Currently I'm reading a Christmas present Everything Bad Is Good For You by Steven Johnson a sort of popularized social psychology theory of pop culture/human behavior relationship. Very much in the Malcolm Gladwell mode both good and bad: a couple interesting ideas streeeeetched out w/examples to pad a fairly brief 200 pages. Think I'm done w/this kind of book once I finish.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 9 January 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, one of my absolute favourite books

The Member of the Wedding?

The Heart is a Lonely Hunter is one of my favourite books but I've never read any more McCullers after being told by a few people that nothing else she wrote was remotely as good. I'd be delighted to find out they were wrong.

frankiemachine, Monday, 9 January 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

I finished 'Martin Eden' yesterday and plunged headlong into 'Quicksilver' - hopefully I won't be joining the Stephenson haters on the other thread...

Mog, Monday, 9 January 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Frankiemachine, try the Ballad of the Sad Cafe. I disliked the Member of the Wedding. All this 'you are the we of me' nonsense.

Carson McCullers is ideal reading on a blistering day, relaxing in a hammock with a daquiri. Something I don't do too often in Hackney.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think if you love The Heart is a Lonely Hunter you might like The Member of the Wedding too. I don't like The Ballad of... so much.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I loved The Ballad Of The Sad Café, even more than The Heart Is...

X-post, Stewart Downes, if you're still on this thread, you need 'Mason & Dixon' in your life. Although it's not all set in England, it's as much about England and Englishness as anything, I think.

Mog, Monday, 9 January 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Joan Didion's Run River. I have never been so compelled before to read every single word on a page. I'm overjoyed at the fact that I have her entire back catalogue to look forward to. The perfect writer to discover at the end of my 20s and the dawn of my 30s.

zan, Monday, 9 January 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm finishing up Philip Roth's Plot Against America. I'd like to see this made into a movie. I think it has a lot of cinematic potential. It was well plotted and contained enough ideas to make it interesting. The actual writing sometimes seemed to get bogged down in run-on sentences though - e.g., digressions where Roth listed a lot of dry pseudo-factual data, as though to make his imaginary history more real, that didn't do much to advance the story.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think perhaps my problem with the style is that the narrative voice seems to be self-consciously childlike (even though the narrator is remembering these events years after they happened, when he is already an adult). Everything is told in a very matter of fact, dutiful tone of voice - I think the dry digressions are only one aspect of this. It's almost as if Roth needs a narrator who takes great pains to be objective and reliable in order to make his imaginary world more reliable, but it comes at the price of a loss of narrative personality and color.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I am still here. I will check out "Mason and Dixon", but big novels frighten me, especially when they are written by Pynchon! Same thing with that Stephenson trilogy, I looked at it B&N the other day, but it's like 3000 pages long.

I think I may go nonfiction, that Jacques Barzun book ("From Dawn to Decadence"?) has a chapter on London in 1815 which may satiate my need for early-modern Englishness.

stewart downes (sdownes), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the narrative voice in Plot worked very well. It's matter of fact because the narrator was a child at the time, but he's an adult now. And I didn't see many dry digressions, I thought Roth did a good job at limiting the perspective to what a twelve-year old kid would actually see and be concerned about.
We obviously read different books.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it seemed like Roth was deliberately trying to restrain himself to language that a junior-high level reader could understand. I don't think that's a necessary requirement for a book whose narrator is writing about things that happened during his childhood. For instance, compare Saul Bellow's Adventures of Augie March. The first part of the book recounts his growing up in a Jewish neighborhood in Chicago - but the voice is much older and wiser (ie., the grown man looking back on his childhood). The narrative voice in Plot Against America seems developmentally stunted - as though the narrator is either trying to write as though he were still a child or is perhaps just not very colorful with words. And by dry digressions I just mean the parts where, for instance, Roth lists all the prominent members of Newark Jewish society who were involved in the PTA or some committee or other - since he's making the stuff up anyway, what's the point of reading through a bunch of names. But it's not just that - it's just more there's a kind of distance - as though Roth is not able to fully imagine himself as the narrator. It often reads like he's summarizing a book that he would like to write if he had more time to work on fleshing it out.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the Mog, Archel and Mikey for the McCullers advice. If anyone wants to advise me which Didion to start with I'd be very interested in that, too.

I thought The Plot Against America was a major disappointment. There was a time lag between the book being published in the US and appearing in UK and it was getting terrific reviews, and as I'm a big Roth fan I was practically salivating. But for me, it was second or even third-rate Roth. The basic concept wasn't particularly original and the treatment was thin and underdeveloped. A long way short of the brilliance of An American Pastoral in particular.

On the other hand, I never think of Roth as a very subtle stylist, even at the top of his game. "Run on sentences" is what he does. Sometimes his prose seems functional, a workaday tool to get ideas from his brain onto the page. It's a flexible tool, especially in presenting ideas, conversational, nicely flavoured and idiosyncratic: every sentence tells you you're reading Roth and there's something oddly reassuring about that. But if someone told they disliked Roth because they thought his style lacked beauty or subtlety or rhythmic variety or whatever I'd have quite a bit of sympathy with that point of view.

On the other hand, even 3rd rate Roth is preferable to the annoying, overblown Augie March.

Right, I'll get me coat.

frankiemachine, Monday, 9 January 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

I guess maybe I do have a problem with Roth's style. If I could offer one criticism of it, it would be: "Show, don't tell". It's like he's writing about ideas in his head rather than real lived experiences. At least that's how some of Plot feels to me. And the rhythms do seem a bit clunky. I haven't read American Pastoral but I just read the first couple of pages on Amazon. The difference in diction is remarkable. He uses much thornier vocabulary and more obscure allusions, even though, as in Plot he's writing about something he remembers from his childhood. I wonder if he was intentionally trying to write something that school-age kids could read, or if he was just trying more simple & direct language as an experiment.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I still feel like I haven't really been able to articulate what I find disappointing in Plot. I think I'd be better off trying to pull out an excerpt that illustrates what I'm trying to get at. In any case, I still like the book - I just didn't think it was quite the masterpiece that some reviewers had led me to believe it would be.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 9 January 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

"This is a serious fault with you, Frankie. Somebody just makes a loose remark and then you cozen it in your mind until nobody would recognize it. Your Aunt Pet happened to mention to Clorina that you had sweet manners and Clorina passed it on to you. For what it was wrth. The next thing I know you are going all round and bragging how Mrs West thought you had the finest manners in town, and ought to go to Hollywood, and I don't know what all you didn't say. You keep building on to any little complimentyou hear about yourself. Or, if it a bad thing, you do the same. You cozen and change things too much in your own mind. And that is a serious fault."

Even Carson McCullers blames Cozen.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

The first chapter is up here.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3932632
I think the moves between background description and childs-eye view are pretty seamless myself.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

My main problem in discussing Plot is that it's a year or more since I read it and while I can usually remember how much I liked a book I am hopeless at remembering why, except in very broad terms.

Even as a fan, I often find Roth's style grates in the first few pages, but then the long, energetic sentences get a grip and start forcing me along at his pace. He conveys intellectual energy very well. I think it would be worth trying a better Roth than Plot before dismissing him.

er, x-post

frankiemachine, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have read one Roth before this, Portnoy's Complaint. I read that several years ago, but I remember enjoying it and finding it quite funny. I'll probably try another Roth at some point.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

I have just finished reading Muriel Spark's The Ballad of Peckham Rye, which was terrific. And short.
Now I'm reading John Baxter's A Pound of Paper. Fifty pages in and I've already got a reading list built up from it. It is an excellent book if you love books. And collecting things. And fancying yourself as being just a little bit eccentric.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I love "The Ballad of Peckham Rye", not only because that's my manor.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Just finished The Book of the Dun Cow which...I don't know yet what I think of it. It's an odd bird, though, even for someone brought up on bible stories and stylized things like fairy tales.

Currently in progress are Contact Wounds (something about the education of a war surgeon etc etc), The Great Theft: Wrestling Islam from the Extremists, and Word Origins...And How We Know Them. The problem is that since all three are non-fic, I keep losing interest and putting them down to read YA novels like The Shining Company.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Moominsummer Madness.

Hilariously, I was dying for a wee on Friday on my bus ride home. The only option was an O'Neills pub, whcih because of Friday binge drinking, had bouncers on the door. They searched me, took out my Moomin book and waved me through. Obviously, they thought someone with a Moomin book was unlikely to cause trouble. So I glassed the fucker.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

"A Pair of Blue Eyes" by Thomas Hardy.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

A Pair of Blues Eyes is happy Hardy. Lovely descriptions of Cornwall.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Kathryn Fox - Malicious Intent.

One of my resolutions: Read less trashy thrillers.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Fanboys and overdogs: the language report

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Persepolis 2: The Story of a Return.

Just finished Steve Martin's The Pleasure of My Company. I thought at first it was too much like The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time, but it managed to differentiate itself in the end. It may have helped that I'd just read this essay by Martin about his father http://www.compleatsteve.com/essays/death.htm

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

I've just finished John Baxter's A Pound of Paper, a memoir about his experiences as a book collector. It is a fine book. It is a quick and humorous read which contains many interesting facts about collecting books and many amusing anecdotes about publishers, editions, writers, and crazy book collector guys.
Now I'm reading Peter Earle's The Pirate Wars, which has been hanging about Monkey Mansions since Christmas 2004 when the Vicar gave it to me. The shame. But I am reading it now, oh yes.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

I finished Plot Against America, and I'm continuing on the "alternative history/Third Reich in America" theme by reading Philip K Dick's The Man in the High Castle (my first Dick).

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I am attempting some Aeschylus in translation (Greene/Lattimore series). Not the Orestia, but the other four surviving plays: Suppliant Maidens, The Persians, Seven Against Thebes and Prometheus Bound. Last night I fell asleep with this book on my chest. Not a good beginning.

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Murakami's "Kafka on the beach" and Stanislaw Lem's "The Cyberiad".

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

more Murakami too - rereading the short story collection, The Elephant Vanishes.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Just picked up Holstun's "Ehud's Dagger" about the English Revolution for a v. v. nice price.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

'Broom of the System' and loving it.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

some erich fromm, some descartes, this and that.

man, i dislike descartes.

Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

now: Jose Saramago - Blindness
next: Cormac McCarthy - Blood Meridan

maybe with Freakonomics spread around during both, my presonal reading always takes a downturn when i go back to college sooo

J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

That Saramago is on my to-read list. How are you liking it so far?

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

im about a 1/4 in and I'm liking it
it takes a lil while to get use to the style, no quotation or spacing for when a character talks, it is like one big run on sentence and
many pages are just one huge paragraph, reminds me a little of the Penolope section in Ulysses

J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I did read the Persians last year. It is what it is. I don't remember whose translation, it was a Penguin edition. I couldn't get into the Oresteia.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

Now I am confusing this thread with the 2005 thread. Hm.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Wood, Literature and the Taste of Knowledge

the pinefox, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yoshikata Yoda's little book, Souvenirs de Kenji Mizoguchi

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 13 January 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Hilary Mantel's Beyond Black. Neither Finnish, nor Didion, but something I've been meaning to read for some time.

zan, Saturday, 14 January 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

I had to work hard to get used to that imbedded dialogue in Blindness. Also, I took issue at first with his not giving the characters names. In that situation, names would become VERY important. But then I figured that it makes sense to deny readers the names, so that they experience the characters' disorientation. Names in a novel being analogous, maybe, to visual landmarks. If you were in a group of blinded people you might start out by identifying yourself when you speak, but then you might give up doing that because of blurring of personal identity (how much of our self of singularity is created by the mirror?), demoralization, and realization that authorship of statements is unimportant.
I should have logged out to post this.
Now I'm reading The Neandertal Enigma by James Shreeve. My husband gave it to me for my birthday about ten years ago and I'm finally reading it.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Still working on "A Pair of Blue Eyes." I love it, and, as noted up thread, find it more a comedy of manners than the latter tragedies such as Tess and Jude. I still have halfway to go though, perhaps Hardy will work some of that dark magic.

Has anyone read "A Taxonomy of Barnacles" yet (about four sisters who reside on Manhattan's upper east side)? I can't decide if it is up my alley or merely masquerading as such. I want it to be J.D. Salinger but I fear it is more Wes Anderson. I picked it up in the bookstore today but put it back down. Something about the author's film backgroud dissuades me, somehow. I have it on order at my library, but processing takes really, really long. I am still waiting for the book "The Chosen" about historical discrimination of Jews at elite colleges that I ordered a few months ago.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

History of Knowledge - Van Doren (?)

yeah, I sometimes forget the title and/or author of a book I'm reading.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 15 January 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just realized that Van Doren, the writer, is the one involved in that quiz show scandal.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 15 January 2006 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ian McEwean - Saturday.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Sunday, 15 January 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

My boyfriend and I have just read Much Ado About Nothing using silly voices.

Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 15 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I finished America (I was wrong about the source of the rec-- it was actually from the tinyluckygenius thing that jaymc steered me onto). I like the way Baudrillard seems to think-- it has a nice geometry to it (naïve-->cultured-->mediated-->naïve, etc.). Weirdly, I had a conversation about the book today with my grandmother-- she thought Baudrillard copped out by not giving a solution to the problems of the Fourth World and the hyperreal (based on my description of it after she asked me what I was currently reading-- she's cool, but not that cool).

Now I have to read all this stuff in a week or give it back to the school library: Jaakko Hintikka, Ludwig Wittgenstein: Half-Truths and One-and-a-Half-Truths; P.M.S. Hacker, Wittgenstein's Place in Twentieth Century Analytic Philosophy; Thomas Cleary, Classics of Buddhism and Zen I. Can I actually keep up with ILX, watch all the DVDs I've got out, find a job, socialize, drive to Iowa and back, and still read all this stuff in six and a half days? I dunno.

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

My boyfriend and I have just read Much Ado About Nothing using silly voices.
-- Mädchen (madchen_in_unifor...) (webmail), Yesterday

Where can I download this?

I am reading Fleshmarket Close by Rankin' Ian. I kinda like it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 16 January 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

Saturday is tiring me out. McEwan writes like a method actor. The attention to techinical detail obstructst the flow. It's in the descriptions of human reaction that he excels.

I read the book on Tom Hunter's exhibition at the National Gallery in London (and went along). A fellow Hackneyite with an introduction by Tracey Chevalier due to, I guess, a shared Vermeer inspiration.

Plus Moominland Midwinter. A colder, lonelier Moomin story.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 16 January 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

That's the only Moomin book I have, and somehow beyond all expectation I wasn't able to get into it. Is it just the wrong one to start with, or something?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 16 January 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I finished "The Member of the Wedding". I liked it, I'm a sucker for stuff about overwrought teenagers. I suspect I may have to read it again at some stage because I have been very distracted over the past few weeks due to being a member of a wedding (not mine) myself. That's all over now, but I fear my enjoyment of TMOTW may have been affected.

Next up, "The Queen of the Tambourine", Jane Gardam, after an Archel recommendation. So far, it's OK. you know, pretty good. I want to have alughed more than I have, but parhaps that will come, or perhaps the book will render that wish inappropriate. We'll see.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 16 January 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Did you read Moominland Midwinter as a kid, Casuistry?

My love for the Moomin books stems from nostalgia. Comet in Moominland was a great adventure to me as an 8 year old. I based my early outlook on Snufkin's laid back sense of adventure! Still do, a little, although I now use Brautigan as my hippy referencing buoy.

Moominland Midwinter is a step forward in term of character development. It's less twee and the characters are more influenced by their natural environment (it's not one Moomintroll recognises because it's transformed by the winter he never sees). Plus Moomintroll develops an aching loneliness because he is awake while the family sleeps and there are more eyes in the trees, upping the sinister level.

Saying all that, it's still a kids book. It's the memory of my first read which still lends these books excitement and I see in them a simple degree of grace.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 16 January 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

A History Maker, by Alisdair Gray. (The only thing of his I've read since Lanark.) It's dated, but interesting. I'm enjoying it.

Ray (Ray), Monday, 16 January 2006 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

I have to read another manko crappy chick book for a radio review. Honest to Jesus, can these people not pick a good book for me to read? I just close my eyes and think of the free publicity.
Of course closing my eyes does not make the book go away, so I do not recommend it as a strategy.
The book is Anna McPartlin's Pack up the Moon. Can you already tell what happens in it? Can you? Let me tell you that there is a TRAGEDY and the brave protagonist has to learn to start her life again. Oh, and something might be staring her in the face. Hmm, I wonder what it could be?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

The moon?

Ray (Ray), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Can you tell them that it's god-awful chick-lit, suitable only for the terminally brain-damaged and Cecilia Ahern, or do you have to find something good about it?

Ray (Ray), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's the same problem as last time. I can tell them that, but then I'll look like the big bad wolf who doesn't like chick lit. I think my problem is that I'm fine with the idea of chick lit, it's just the execution of it that's so awful most of the time. Standard bad writing really bugs me. It's okay to say "said" all the time, folks. The eye just slides over it. The eye does not slide over "rejoined", "answered", "offered", etc.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

How about, "I really liked the look of this book. It sounded like a nice, light read, just the thing for a grey January. But it doesn't deliver. The story - blah blah blah - could be good, but I didn't believe any of the characters, etc, etc" the continuing theme being that you really really wanted to like it - because you're not a mean snob, you're not - but it's just not very good. Bonus points for saying "Maeve Binchy did something like this in Tara Road, and there I felt really sad when the heroine's long lost mother turned out to be a junkie addicted to injecting dogs' eyeballs, and that's why Spot mysteriously disappeared in the third chapter, but McPartlin's book just wasn't credible..."

Ray (Ray), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, I think I'll just say it's a bag of shite.

Funny enough, it's a similar bag of shite to Cecelia Ahern's Bag of Shite, in which the protagonist's lover dies and she has to learn to live again through her friends (and maybe one special friend! The tension!) who, similarly to the eejits populating Cecelia Ahern's book, fall around laughing at things that aren't funny.
Attention chick lit writers! Having your characters fall around laughing at things that aren't funny is not a good way to illustrate what great mates they all are! It just makes you seem like a lamebrain who couldn't come up with three funny lines in a row!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, I think I'll just say it's a bag of shite.

Funny enough, it's a similar bag of shite to Cecelia Ahern's PS, I've Written a Bag of Shite, in which the protagonist's lover dies and she has to learn to live again through her friends (and maybe one special friend! The tension!) who, similarly to the eejits populating Cecelia Ahern's book, fall around laughing at things that aren't funny.
Attention chick lit writers! Having your characters fall around laughing at things that aren't funny is not a good way to illustrate what great mates they all are! It just makes you seem like a lamebrain who couldn't come up with three funny lines in a row.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Posted twice. For maximum effect. Stupid wireless connection. Stupid microwave interfering with stupid wireless connection.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm about halfway through Nicholson Baker's The Fermata - one of his odes to sexuality and his own train of thought. The main character has the mysterious ability to stop the flow of time for everyone and everything - then move about in this stopped world, but he seems to use this power mainly to undress women and jerk himself off.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 16 January 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Wrong about Japan by Peter Carey, quickly consumed in the Powell's coffeeshop and Portland train station. Entertaining and moderately enlightening w/r/t modern Japanese manga/anime culture.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 16 January 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of Nicholson Baker, I browsed his very large book with reproductions of early 1900s illustrations in the New York Sunday Globe, I think it was. He's still mad as hell about library divestification of newspaper archives, but at least he's doing something about it.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

No, I've never read any Moominland books, having only found out about them a few years ago.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

But I read kids books that I never read as a child often enough -- I didn't read Roald Dahl as a kid, but I enjoy reading him now.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 16 January 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, cool. I think James and the Giant Peach was always my favorite as a kid. I wish I still had my copy of it.

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 16 January 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

how do you like that michael wood book? I like his articles in LRB a lot.

kenchen, Monday, 16 January 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've requested that Michael Wood book at the library. The title sounds promising.

youn, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

right now (literally!): bruno schulz, the street of crocodiles. this book is absolutely insane.

joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've gone back to One No, Many Yeses after a break. It's making me think 'oh I should get a copy of this for X' which I guess is usually a good sign.

And I was given an almost complete set of Miss Marple for xmas so I'm starting on those too.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Richard Brautigan - Rommel Drives on Deep into Egypt. Accompanied by a bottle of chilled Gavi and the music of Tim Hardin.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie - Muriel Spark. I've only read one other of Spark's books and found it excellent. This one, the same. Is she always so consistently good?

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

India: A Million Mutinies Now by V.S. Naipaul, which I got out from the library. A lot has probably changed in the 15 years since this was published, but still an interesting trip through the many layers of Indian society.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Jaq, I've read two now and they kind of followed the same pattern - foreshadowing of startling event followed by slice-of-life stories of ordinary folks and their comings and goings, followed by startling event which changes everything forever.
That's The Girls of Slender Means and The Ballad of Peckham Rye. Your experience may differ.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm. A different kind of consistent than I was looking for. I read a bunch of Beryl Bainbridge a few years back and they felt much the same (also a sort of "made-for-TV/movie" feel)

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Martin Amis, Money. What artistry, what book knowhow - what talent. After half a dozen readings it retains its multilayered richness and stylistic magnificence. I was reminded of how large its impact on me, at times, has been. Yet I emerged from the end like a sullen tot sliding from the end of the shallow slide, wondering if the ending is somehow not up to it - not up to that slalom of linguistique explosive.

I leapt straight across to David Thomson's Beneath Mulholland, and in his descriptions of the Californian air I heard accidental echoes of Amis's relentless run of phrases. It interested me, that effect - the way that one book might bleed across to another, so you could imagine you're still reading the first - mishearing, or hearing something you wouldn't hear otherwise?

'Wandering Rocks' felt fairly ordinary by comparison.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it was just your tom-tom ticker that was not up to it, teh pinefox.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sebald's "The Rings of Saturn".

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

Tokyo Decibels by Hitonari Tsuji

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

I can't remember the ending of Money. I would ask if it wasn't such a spoiler.

Still reading Inspector Rebus. It is a tad grim.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

Just spent my birthday Barnes & Noble gift certificate on Arthur & George by Julian Barnes last night, haven't started it yet.

O'Nate: if you haven't read it already, check out VS Naipaul's 1981 study of radical islam Among The Believers. It will lift the top of your head clean off.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

"The Queen of the Tambourine" is alright, if not amazing. I haven't read a book with a happy ending for ages. Perhaps this is as a result of my taste for the Nordic.

Now, "The Death of the Heart" by Elizabeth Bowen. Elizabeth Bowen is what happened after Bloomsbury. This is her masterpiece. I know that because it says so on the back of the book.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Jeremy Bowen is what happened after John Simpson.

Mark Bowen is what happened before Pat Van den Hauwe?

I have just been thinking about how TH could read only books with happy endings (as recommended by ILB) for a month; though he might object that some of the endings turned out to be not happy enough for him.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I think perhaps I have had enough reading discipline for the time being, though I appreciate the thought.

Jim Bowen is what happened after tea on a Sunday.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

His name did come to mind, but I could not really work him in, as I have never really watched him do whatever it is he does.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 January 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

"that slalom of linguistique explosive"?

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

people like you are to blame for EVERYTHING

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Tom! Wake up! You're having a weird dream!

I have finished Pack Up the Moon. To give you some idea of the quality of book you're dealing with here, one of the characters is called Frank in the blurb on the back of the book, and Noel in the actual book. Sigh.

Foxy, I finally sent your book. I hope you did give me the right postcode, or you might never get it.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure if I can even think of enough books with happy endings to fill a month, off the top of my head.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oooph, I read that as "books with snappy endings", which made me wonder what that entailed. Big showtunes and such?
"And that little boy grew up to be Roy Cohn. And now you know the rest of the story!"

Anyhoo, wish me luck, I'm going to go and force my way through the last forty pages of "Kafka on the beach".

Øystein (Øystein), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jamaica Inn by Daphne Du Maurier

Goes well with cava and a Foundations compilation.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 19 January 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

I am fed up with Inspector Rebus's Fishmarket Close. I am slightly more than half way through. I suppose I should persevere.

I would like to read only books with not only happy endings, but happy all the way through.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to read a book that could be described as "a joyous bubbling billy can of a novel!"

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 19 January 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Lordy, me too. Let me know if you find one. And not Cannery Row, I've read that.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Hilary Mantel book was wonderful. Just the right amount of spookiness and hilarity.

I finally found an old copy of Louis Bromfield's Pleasant Valley and I'm whizzing my way through it. My dad grew up in "the Valley," I spent several summers of my childhood wandering the area, and I recently visited Malabar Farm (http://www.malabarfarm.org), so it's really a treat to read the old stories tied to the area. Bromfield is an extremely affable writer; the Lost Generation's "Nice One."

Does anyone know of a good Johnny Appleseed biography that isn't a children's book?

zan, Thursday, 19 January 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wodehouse not good enough for you, PJ? Huh?!

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 19 January 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

x-post: "I would like to read a book that could be described as "a joyous bubbling billy can of a novel!"

Have you read 'Fup' by Jim Dodge?

Mog, Thursday, 19 January 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Almost through with The Flame Trees of Thika, which I like much better than Out of Africa (can't stand Isak Dinesen's grandiose, divaesque prose. Imo, she's the authorial equivalent of Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard.)

And have just started The Lady in the Lake, my next to last Chandler, which I've been saving to read for a couple of years because I didn't want to run out of books of his to read. *sigh* If I absolutely love and adore Raymond Chandler, should I stay away from his last book, Playback? I've heard it's quite disillusioning.

Gail S, Thursday, 19 January 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Dodge, seconded. good recommendation Mog.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I just now realized that I've been mixing up Raymond Chandler and John Cheever for rather a good while. Not that I've read either one.

I've gone back to Stanislaw Lem's "The Cyberiad" which is so, so, so much fun! His robots beat the whopp out of Asimov's, anyways. The whole improbable dragons thing is just fantastic! This Michael Kandel fellow's translation is remarkable too.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 19 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

i have been thinking about getting that lem book - that or 'eden'

you could bring it over to my science fiction thread.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 19 January 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

Pointless namedrop: Kandel's son is a friend of a friend: I see him around the neighborhood every once in a while, either with his kids or on his way to teach high school.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

plato, descartes, frege, and other things.

frege is a jerk.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 20 January 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

I will seek out Jim Dodge, and maybe more Wodehouse. Thank you.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 20 January 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

frege is a jerk

Difficult read? Or was he cocky like G.E. Moore?

I'm still reading whatever it is I was reading before. I managed to get everything else I had listed done and then more RL stuff got in the way, so I'm counting on the library's grace period to get the Wittgenstein stuff read this weekend. After that, my stack o' books includes a bunch of pop culture and science stuff (including something with an article by mark s!) and some Phil Dick, thanks to tom west's PKD thread.

Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 21 January 2006 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

yay I finished an essay! Included in a book, so I'm thinking it counts. It was by Max Harrison and it was a masterful, 100 page, overview of jazz. From its very beginnings to the late 70s.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 21 January 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Thomas Hardy's Far from the Madding Crowd. It's only the second of his books I've read. After reading a lot more modern stuff recently, at first it was hard to slip back into this pastoral 19th century world, but slowly (by the chapter in the pub) I've been getting into the flow of it.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

if I haven't mentioned it previously, I ditched the Ballard for Down and Out in Paris and London, which is brilliant. I can't believe I have read no Orwell till now (except for Animal Farm)

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 22 January 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished The Voyage of a Summer Sun by Robin Cody, a moderately pleasant travel narative about canoeing the length of the Colombia River. If you like that sort of thing (as I do).

Now I am starting For the Time Being by Annie Dillard, which is both well-written and self-indulgently written, and often makes me wish Annie would just be a bit less clever or a bit more so.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 22 January 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I started Literature and the Taste of Knowledge and I'm close to finishing Veronica. If you save letters or keep a diary and go back and read them, you can experience again what the words knew at the time that you didn't and to read them again is to experience those feelings again but to know something different. Wood writes like a teacher: he is reassuring.

youn, Sunday, 22 January 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I read Veronica and spent way too much time wondering about the symbolism of the main charactes' being named after Elvis Costello songs (the narrator is named Alison)

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 23 January 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

richard popkin.

Josh (Josh), Monday, 23 January 2006 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

I've been reading H.D. for work purposes and reflecting that Ezra Pound really has an enormous amount to answer for.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 23 January 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

I like HD :(
Well, some.

I'm reading Time after Time by Molly Keane. She was quite brilliant I think.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Morley: I did the same thing. Every time I glance at the book on my shelf, that song immediately enters my head. I actually think her characters pretty closely match the characters in the songs...

zan, Monday, 23 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

I finished The Year of Magical Thinking yesterday. What a heart-rending memoir.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 23 January 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

nearing the end of lagerkvist's 'barabbas'and while quite enjoying the simple/gospels type language used, i wonder (as always) just how much the translation took out of it.

made swayed, Monday, 23 January 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

l sante 'low life'
k vonnegut 'god bless you, mr. rosewater'
pkd 'VALIS', 'the divine invasion', 'the transmigration of timothy archer'
f leiber, 'the best of fritz leiber'

tom west (thomp), Monday, 23 January 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

What did you think of the Empson, Tom?

Gravel Workelsworth, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

AN Wilson - A Short History of London. The phrase 'Lost London Rivers' never fails to excite me. I am a geek.

Plus Tales from Moominvalley and the West Ham vs Fulham programme.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

Robter Musil - The Man Without Qualities - because it's been sitting on my unread shelf for over a year. Amusing so far, though I've barely started.

Ray (Ray), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kingsley Amis - Lucky Jim

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oo! I enjoyed Lucky Jim - he's always making his set-piece faces.

I picked up two Bohumil Hrabel books, one especially for the title which I am now reading: Dancing Lessons for the Advanced in Age. Interleaving short fiction and cookbooks with The Tale of Genji seems to be working for me.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Morley: Yay about the Orwell, although I'm afraid it doesn't really get any better than Down & Out. Stick to his essays -- the four volume set is generally great (less so the first volume, as you might guess, it's mostly juvenalia) but the little Collected Essays is well chosen.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm about half way through Vargas Llosa's Conversation in the Cathedral, and now that my new semester has begun there's no way I'm going to finish it until May.
It's a really grand book though, kaleidoscopic and confusing and mesmerizing.

wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by EH and am now reading "Women of Trachis" by S.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

I am currently alternating between On the Road and Tortilla Flat, depending on my mood.

I am also browsing through some Dover-facsimilies of William Blake's poetry, with the etched plates in the front half of the books; the campus bookstore is selling them half-off the sticker price.

I just finished reading Wuthering Heights a couple of days ago, and I am still unsure as to how I feel about it. Part of me thinks it bludgeoned me over the head with cheap sensationalism, while another thinks it was being sincere; I don't know.


mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

What I thought of the Empson: I liked the gesture of Empson's longer-than-the-poems footnotes more than I liked most things in the poetry, I guess, I dunno: the poems I read I found mostly kinda affecting but honestly not all that, to me. Which is horribly vague! um. sorry, it's been a lot of science fiction & aardvark comics under the bridge since.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

He was a bit like a good Carol Ann Duffy. as a poet. maybe.

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

Wuthering Heights is basically a fantasy novel. Once I decided that, I liked it a whole lot more.

I'm reading Cold Service and thinking that my love affair with Robert B Parker has finally got round to dying of natural causes.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

I realised that I had no idea where I was in the last book I was reading (Rites Of Passage by William Golding) so now I've switched to Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People

(but I'm still on the introduction at the moment)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I finished "The Death of the Heart" in a small meeting room at work, waiting for someone to sign on to a conference call. A few days ago I was slightly regretting having started the thing: I was making such slow progress and although the writing was enjoyable for its own sake, I was having trouble caring. By the end I was completely bound up in the plot and adoring the style, and the fact that there's not much by way of closure just makes putting the thing down even more of a wrench. The dealth of the heart in quyestion may have happened before the plot begins, or it may be about to happen as the story ends, or it may happen during, I'm not sure.

Major Brutt may be the Xander, though he may just be the Bez.

It's a wonderful novel, and one I wouldn't have read had it not been for all this foolishness with numbers of words and all that. It justifies the exercise on its own, I think.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Next up: "The Hound of the Baskervilles", primarily to gladden the Pinefox, something I'm always pleased to do, but also as an excuse to buy the edition with the attractive Edward Bawden decorations. The cover, in particular, is spectacular.

I've never read any Holmes before, or any A Conan-Doyle for that matter, and I'm not really expecting to like this much. I bet there's something good about it, though. There must be, mustn't there?

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wait wait Tim, you are doing The Hour of the Star, right?

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

(Have just ordered TDOTH hurrah)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Feck. We had The Death of the Heart in our €2 basket the other week and I should have bought it and didn't. Curse you, Tim Hopkins!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Wuthering Heights is basically a fantasy novel. Once I decided that, I liked it a whole lot more.

You are right, of course; it was much more like a Gothic novel of its day with all of the "shocking" titilations and fantastical elements one would expect from that genre.

I was expecting something more like Jane Eyre, to be honest. A case of misguided expectations, I guess.

mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I am so glad that TH is doing something to gladden me.

I thought of that sentence unselfconsciously, and only then did I see its absurd, cheerful circularity.

If you save letters or keep a diary and go back and read them, you can experience again what the words knew at the time that you didn't and to read them again is to experience those feelings again but to know something different.

This seems worth thinking about. But is it really the words that have the knowledge, or the later you? Not that I dislike Wood's strategy of personification. And perhaps it is somehow neither one nor the other... yes, there is something that the words seem to hold, even if they don't know it. The truth of our innocence and folly, perhaps.

Camera Lucida

the bellefox, Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

if wuthering heights is a fantasy novel the whole heavenly creatures aspect of the brontes is U&K i guess

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

I finished reading the awful chick lit and reviewed it. Then I finished Is It Just Me or Is Everything Shit, which sounds like one of those awful, slap-dash humor books that come out before Christmas. And indeed it is, except that it's very funny.

Now I'm reading The Pirate Wars. Funny, I just can't get excited about pirates, really.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 26 January 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

Wanderings in Patagonia by Julius Beerbohn. Good stuff. Many instructive passages on ostrich hunting.

The first chapter was accompanied by a bowl of pasta in a tangy tomato sauce with dried chillis and Bach's Goldberg Variations.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 26 January 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

Gravel: I had never heard of "The Hour of the Star". Indeed, I have just been to look it up on that Amazon. It sounds aces! I will try to hunt it down and read it before the end of the month.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Inspector Rebus's Fishmarket Close turned out to be quite good in the end. Pesky immigrants!

Now I am on What A Carve Up! by Jonathan Coe. I am not yet fully gripped.

Also reading:

That's Not My Puppy
That's Not My Lion
That's Not My Robot

(3 for 2)

Slightly repetitive series, but I bet Inspector Rebus is as well.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

What a Carve Up is eighties gold when it reaches full flow. Like the maxy runs of Vince Hilare. It can also be loose but effective. Derek Randall fielding at deep gully, for example.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

For some of us, Vince Hilaire was primarily a feature of the early '90s. Not much maziness going on by that point, of course. Or maxiness, for that matter.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

Like Samson, once the hair went so did the maziness.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

What A Carve Up is indeed classic - truly gruesome satire.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

Good.

I am quite pleased with myself for finsihing Rebus, hence the ambitious choice.

Ambitious for me, that is.

Is/was Vince Hilaire Crystal Palace, or am I getting muddled up?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Didion's The White Album. I can't stay away.

(And Bromfield's book was just so beautiful. I want to move to the country and put my hands in the soil.)

zan, Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I associate him with Portsmouth!

I think the original post comparing Coe's book to Hilaire was terrific.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

PS / I have bought Didion's Where I Was From. I am still quite excited about that. Quietly thrilled? Very pleased. Glad.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 January 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_football/HILAIRE_Vince_19791229_GH_L.jpg

Vince in his prime

Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

...and only twelve years later, he was turning out for my lot.

On the subject of formerly-swift England wingers, we had Mark Chamberlain a few years after that. His younger brother was called Neville, you know.

I've never read ay Joan Didion, and this thread is making me think perhaps I should. In her oeuvre are there any Alan Balls (only little but first on any self-respecting teamsheet), or any Gordon McQueens (enormous and best avoided)?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 26 January 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing I have read of hers is The Last Thing He Wanted, which I doubt is representative, but I kind of hated it.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Where I Was From is such a great book. I feel like Didion's finally getting the attention she deserves. It's too bad that it's happening at such a horrible time for her. She's a brilliant writer.

wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Joan Didion Live and Learn; Ted Hughes Birthday Letters; Jasper Fforde The Eyre Affair; George RR Martin A Game of Thrones.

frankiemachine, Thursday, 26 January 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Menis Koumandareas - Koula. Short book about an affair between an older married woman and a twenty year old guy that starts up after they sit across from each other on the subway night after night. Dalkey Press!

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 26 January 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Tim: start with Play it as it Lays (for fiction) and the White Album and Slouching Toward Bethlehem (for nonfiction.)

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 26 January 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ooph, for some reason I've not read anything lately.
But I did start Eugen Ionescu's "The Hermit" today. Hoorah! And it's such a chipper read, oh yes.

Øystein (Øystein), Thursday, 26 January 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished Feynman's Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!...I loved it! To tell the truth, when I read the first story, I was a bit sceptical because it seemed to wander and felt almost pointless...but then either the stories got better, or I got used to it. My favorites were the ones where he was just being a crazy eccentric dude playing tricks on people.

I also recently read Ballard's The Drowned World...I always love Ballard's work, and this was no exception. I'm pretty new to these forums but I haven't seen any threads on Ballard...what do you all think about him?

b (maga), Friday, 27 January 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

The Feynman is fantastic. The sequels are pleasant enough to check out. (Or is it just sequel? "What do you care what they think of you" or somesuch is one of the titles...)

Finished The Chess Queen, a pleasant but awkward mix of the history of how the queen transformed from the slow-moving vizier to the modern all-powerful queen, mixed with minibios of medieval queens, whose stories didn't quite cohere. But it was interesting to consider this text as in the vein of Herodotus/Christine de Pizan schools of history.

Now I'm reading the God's Secretaries book that Jaq gave me, which is so far surprisingly great.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 27 January 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

Slouching Towards Bethlehem, Tim. Worth it for the title alone. I think all of the fiction is fairly short, because it has great long gaps between sentences, many of which are very short in any case. You have to dig that style.

Is Jasper Fforde good? I saw a box set going cheap.

Carve Up update: the narrator has tidied his room.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 January 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

Tim: THOTS is totally worth a squeeze-in, it's only about 150 pages long and so so magic...

I am reading Oldest Living Confederate Etc

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 27 January 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of people love Jasper Fforde. I hate him.... ah, here's a review of The Eyre Affair
This book is awful on a fractal level - the basic setting has potential, none of which is realised. Which would be okay if you were moved through the plot at a reasonable speed, but the 'thrilling' sections don't, and the comic sections aren't. Richard III with Rocky Horror style audience participation could be funny, but the Rocky Horror audience had better lines than "Now is the what of our discontent?" Characters? The bad guy is evil, the good guy has an emotional conflict that just.
Sits.
There.
Dying on the page.
Every time its brought up.
Its swept aside in the end in a completely unconvincing way, but at least its gone. The book was apparently never edited - its full of jarring and unnecessary switches in perspective. And amazingly, given the full-on Fans-are-slan type appeal to the ego of the reader, the whole 'aren't we all smart people who've read the classics' flattery, it gets the end of Jane Eyre wrong. (Not wrong as in "Yes, its supposed to be wrong, and the heroine is going to put it right", but wrong as in "The 'wrong' ending described in The Eyre Affair was not a possible ending of Jane Eyre")

Ray (Ray), Friday, 27 January 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds bad.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 January 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

Slouching Towards Bethlehem and The White Album plus another collection (Sentimental Journeys) are collected as a single volume paperback, Live and Learn. I'm not sure if this is exclusive to the UK but it's obviously a good value one to get.

Jasper Fforde, hmm. My wife was lent The Eyre Affair a year or so ago by her dad, a Fforde fan. I read a few pages, decided Fforde couldn't write for toffee, and abandoned it. After reading some enthusiastic posts about him on ILB I thought I should give him another chance. A hundred pages in, the jury is still out. His prose is not much better than I first thought; he has no ear, no sense of economy elegance, so much so that I kept wondering if it was meant to be part of the joke (*): a work of fiction by a bibliophile who saturates it with literary references but can't write?. He has a non-stop conveyor belt of clever little ideas but there isn't much evidence of quality control (although the bad puns and general awkwardness are probably part of his charm for his fans). But he doesn't take himself seriously and creates an entertaining little imaginative world, a bit like an episode of The Avengers.

He obviously works for some people but I'd hesitate about buying a box set before you read at least a couple of dozen pages because you could easily find him unreadable. But he must have something, because I haven't altogether given up on him yet.

((*)More or less randomly selected sample:

I wasn't a member of the ChronoGaurd. I never wanted to be. By all accounts it's not a huge barrel of laughs, although the pay is good and the service boasts a retirement plan that is second to none: a one-way ticket to anywhere and anywhen you want. No, that wasn't for me.)

(My emphasis of redundancy/cliche.)

X-post with Ray

frankiemachine, Friday, 27 January 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

There's a longer excerpt here
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?show=HARDCOVER:SALE:0670030643:18.95&page=excerpt
Lots of ideas thrown at the page, nothing that sticks...

Ray (Ray), Friday, 27 January 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

How come something so cliche-erm-heavy gets published at all?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 27 January 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

The Man With The Golden Arm talks a lot of sense as usual. The pileup of cliches makes it tougher and tougher to get to the end of that sentence. I guess it could be refashioned to make it ,um, funny, but I'm too tired to try it myself.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

frank's notes to copyeditors: Squeezing the Asswords: Letter to the editors of Real Punks

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Fforde's okay for clever entertainment, though his puns and cliches are very heavyhanded at times. The footnoterphone business I find incredibly distracting, and he tries much too hard to be funny occasionally. I'm to the point of preferring Terry Pratchett or Alexander McCall Smith to Fforde.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Still waiting for the Robert Sheckley revival.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

Paul Auster's new one, The Brooklyn Follies. His slow evolution from writing somewhat arty, difficult books - to reader friendly, chatty, storytelling obsessed books remains puzzling. Nonetheless, I'm enjoying the new one, especially because a lot of the action seems to be centered around a bookstore.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 27 January 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Maga! Or B, or whatever you're calling yourself, I can't remember if we ever had a thread on Ballard. You could try using the search function to search for one. If you don't find one here, you could try over on ILE, our Big Sister board.

I didn't like Jasper Fforde either. I tried to, I really did. Some of the ideas were nice and the whole thing looked like it was going to be jolly fun, but in the end all the devices and gimmicks couldn't distract from the fact that he just didn't have much of a story going on. It is a terrible thing, the punting out of editors. They are so important. Any good editor could have turned that into a good book. A book without an editor is like a Missy Elliott track without Timbaland. Or do I mean Timbalake? I don't know much about the young people's music. Maybe I should have said The Beatles without George Martin. Anyway, a good editor could have sorted that out for me.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 27 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading my first Pullman: the Golden Compass. Also read Water Babies (Kingsley) on the plane, which was awesome, though excerpted.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 27 January 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

(Or is it just sequel? "What do you care what they think of you" or somesuch is one of the titles...)

"What do you care what other people think?"

(it consists of a few long pieces, rather than the shortish anecdotes of the first book. A large part of it is about his experiences of the Challenger enquiry; how one of the military men on the committee was tipped off about the cause of the explosion, but rather than expose it, dropped hints at Feynman so that he worked the cause out independently.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 28 January 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

An example of Wood being reassuring: "Knowledge is coarse and life is subtle, but literature is not offered to us as some kind of middle ground, like porridge at just the right temperature." When I read this, I almost laughed out loud. I guess it doesn't seem as funny now, but there was something about reading it in context.

Mary, I forgot on which thread you're supposed to report back on ALA midwinter.

youn, Saturday, 28 January 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I reported via private e-mail; can't have those outside the sisterhood party to the findings.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Last week finished 'Where I was from' and thought so highly of it that I searched in vain for an author web page to pass on my gushing thoughts.

The copy I read was a hardback I found in the library with an old photo of a train and a snow bank on the cover - fabulous.

Just finished Jane Smiley's 'Good Faith' - has anyone else read it?

sandy mc (sandy mc), Sunday, 29 January 2006 02:45 (nineteen years ago)

Aside from Karin Slaughter's Indelible and that Van Doren book:

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0761134603.02._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Being a new mommy makes reading difficult. *sigh*

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 29 January 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Almost finished with The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, Amin Maalouf. It covers the main thrust of those two centuries of conflict, rather swiftly and lightly, but accurately. The "arab POV" is represented, but ultimately it is a gimmick, not a source of deepened insight. The author is a YAJ, yet another journalist.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 29 January 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Love and Hate in Jamestown by David A. Price.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Sunday, 29 January 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

start with Play it as it Lays (for fiction)
I love that book, but strangely enough have not ever gotten around to reading any other Didion
thanks for the Orwell tip, Chris! I'm now alternating that with How I Became Stupid. I laughed out loud reading it this morning and felt..(wait for it)...stupid

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 29 January 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Lautreamont's Maldoror and oh god I am so lost.

wmlynch (wlynch), Sunday, 29 January 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

We have almost finished What To Expect: The First Year.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 30 January 2006 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

I finished "The Hound of the Baskervilles" and it's OK, quite diverting in its way. Nothing much going on, but the story rolls along swiftly enough. The best thing about it remains the pictures.

And now: "The End of the Affair", which I have to read by midnight tomorrow to finish off this whole number-of-words-in-the-title business, for which I failed to think of a name. For shame.

Then, freedom! Or individualist decadence and self-indulgence, if you prefer.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're supposed to get lost in Maldoror, yes?

Just started She by H. Rider Haggard.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 30 January 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I finished The Man in the High Castle. I'm not sure what to start on next, but I've been reading a bit of the Better of McSweeney's Vol. 1.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're supposed to get lost in Maldoror, yes?

Just started She by H. Rider Haggard.

-- Jeff LeVine (jefflev

Yeah, I think so too now. I finally reached a point where I just kinda let it drift over me and it somehow makes sense now. In a way. I guess. It is definitely one of the strangest books I have ever read.

wmlynch (wlynch), Monday, 30 January 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I have just finished Spy Story by Len Deighton. Started last night, finished this evening.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 30 January 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Someone else should definitely step up to ludicrous reading challenges when Tim stops. It's an ILB institution!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Tim shouldn't stop.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Football Man - Arthur Hopcraft.

New 2006 paperback edition. Football, before Chris Kamara devalued the game by commentating on it.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mikey, have you read "The Soccer Tribe" by Desmond Morris?

PJM, I'm ignoring you.

I had no idea that "The End of the Affair" would be so unpleasant. The shoes on the front don't hint at it.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

I finished Time after Time (wonderful and evil) and am now launching into my planned re-reading of the Dark is Rising sequence. It's just annoying how little time it takes to read each one nowadays.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've noticed, Tim. But unlike you, I will not give up.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

We should all give up more.

Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

It's just annoying how little time it takes to read each one nowadays.

Mmm - I remember thinking that Silver On The Tree especially was *enormous* when I was little.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

Tim, no. Though I have read the End of the Affair if that helps. Why can't Catholic authors write books that don't mention catholicism?

I watched a little of your Devonian boys last night. Is it two up automatically this year?

Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ian Hamilton's Against Oblivion. He's very snooty about H.D. and quite right too. Very snooty about Hugh McDiarmid - less quite right too.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Arthur & George. I haven't read Julian Barnes since I was 16; I'd forgotten how enjoyable he is to read.

zan, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

I've just finished that. It was extremely readable.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

3/4 of the way through and thinking it's Barnes' best novel.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Vollman's Europe Central. The USSR parts are irritating and dull but the Germany parts great, mainly.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

ulysses!

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Finished Aimless's excellent hike-a-logue, now onto Unkempt—stories by Courtney Eldridge. Pretty wacky—so far, so good.
I had big trouble with Flaubert's Parrot. Is that representative of Barnes? The cleverness bugged me. Maybe it wouldn't now. That was a while ago.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

"If on a Winter's Night a Traveler" -- best book I have read in quite some time!

mj (robert blake), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

'The Man Without Qualities' I haven't really gotten into it yet, probably at least partly because I know how much there is left to read.

Ray (Ray), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

GB84, at last.

I found reading "The End of the Affair" far more painful than I had expected. I don't really want to talk about it.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

Is it about a team that gets relegated to the Conference then?

Are you reading the tinily printed bits of GB84 or are you treating them as illustrations?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading them all. Every last word. For now.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think End of the Affair is about the decline of the east Devon jingle-jangle badge-wearing indie scene.

I'm still reading the Football Man. The Observer reckons it one of the top five sports books of all time. The author used to write for the Observer, though.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

No the same as The Man Who Hated Football, then? Also written by someone who used to write for the Observer. I hated The Man Who Hated Football even more than he hated football, I think.

I'm on The Dark is Rising now. Only a few pages in and already it nearly made me miss my train station this morning.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I am reading The Known World by Edward P Jones. I'm finding it tougher going than I had anticipated. There are a lot of names and I'm having difficulty keeping them all straight.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

The tinily printed bits of GB84 are the best! It is possibly an idea to read the rest of the book, then go back and read the tiny bits in order.

I have been rereading books, including the Barthes mentioned above.

'Cyclops' was tremendous again.

Still need to finish Michael Wood's Kafka very soon.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 February 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

What is this formula about, Tim? Judging by your last two books, should this one be included? http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1405032790/026-9857924-1996454

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hello everyone.

I wish I had copies of The Dark Is Rising, I never remember to steal it when I'm at my mother's.

I've just finished The Real Life of Sebastian Knight (Nabokov, pronounced NabORkov, apparently), I'm in the middle of The Truth about Sascha Knisch by Aris Fioretos (titular similarity a some kind of serendipitous event) and next on the list is Doris Lessing's The Grass Is Singing, which I have to read for uni. Looking forward to it though.

Zora (Zora), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

bork?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Nicholas by Rene Goscinny.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer, I'm free from any formula, free at last. I could have included the Collina - you know how much I like reading literature in translation - but it doesn't half look dull.

PF: I was avguely planning to read the timy bits as they coem along, and then read them again as a story at the end. I might not feel like doing that when it comes to the end, but that's a chance I'll have to take.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished 'Humboldt's Gift'. It was very enjoyable but the ending felt a bit... inconsequential. Next on to 'Herzog', which I seem to remember almost nothing of, having last read it in 1988.

I just bought 'The Soccer War' by Ryszard Kapuscinski, because Geoff Dyer is always going on about him. The first chapter was good.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

love, by toni morrison (finally). i'm only reading a bit at at time to stretch it out, since it's not very long. it's mostly excellent. otherwise, i'm reading ursula, under (found on seat at airport) which isn't that great despite fairly good reviews. i can understand why the original owner abandoned it - so overwritten, and with loads of extraneous historical storylines obviously meant to lend depth. not to sound snotty, but it's a total oprah book.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm... I'd never heard of Ryszard Kapuscinski, but those books look interesting. I've just added The Shadow of the Sun to my "wish list." Where does Dyer talk about him?

I've just started on Projection Privée by Kazushige Abe.

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Dyer mentions RK in both the Lawrence and Yoga books I think - though don't hold me to that. He also goes on about him here: http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,6121,499797,00.html

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks! I haven't read the Lawrence book yet (need to read more Lawrence first). Speaker of Dyer - has anybody read his new photography book, or whatever it is?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Kapuscinski is awesome. I've only read Another Day of Life (on the Angolan civil war), but I'd really like to pick up Soccer War and others.

wmlynch (wlynch), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

'The Ongoing Moment' - yes. There are good bits, but overall I found it a bit disappointing. It would have been improved if:

a) he could have got reproduction rights to all the photos he wanted; and
b) the standard of reproduction was a bit better.

As it is, the book falls too easily into a series of essays which get a bit formulaic: "Many photographers have taken pictures of gas stations. Take photographer A, for example. Photographer B, however, photographed gas stations a bit differently. And then photographer C came a long and looked at gas stations in a whole new way!". I enjoyed the biographical bits about the rivalries and friendships between the different photographers, I guess.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

[Raises hand, rises timidly, clears throat] Honored Sirs and Madams,

Now that this thread has exceeded 350 postings and it is likewise the start of February, 2006, would it be acceptable to start a new incarnation of the now-traditional "what are you reading" thread, rather than hammer the ILX server and frustrate our dial-up patrons by extending this thread to fantastic length?

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
I have a pile:

Saul Bellow, "Humboldt's Gift"
Gary Shteyngart, "The Russian Debutante's Handbook"
David Foster Wallace "Oblivion" and "Brief Interviews with Hideous Men"
Chris Ware, "The Acme Novelty Library"

archipelago (archipelago), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

On the train ride to Chicago I read:

The Lost Continent, by Bill Bryson
Travels, by Hans Christian Andersen
Remarks on Colour, by Ludwig Wittgenstein
Shut Up And Eat Your Showshoes!, by Jack Douglas

That last one is my nth time rereading that book.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

Chris, what, the train ride to Chicago from BORA BORA??? Are you some kind of speed-read-adapted CYBORG????

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

remarks on color goes pretty quickly! maybe there was a layover. do trains have layovers?

Josh (Josh), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

They get sidetracked.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

This was Portland to Chicago. So, I read the Bryson in about 6 hours Tuesday night, the Andersen took about 7 hours during Wednesday day, the Wittgenstein was maybe 3 or so hours that night, and then the Douglas took, oh, 5 hours? during Thursday day.

Now, I have to say, I don't normally read so voraciously, but it really was an ideal train ride. I attempted to finish the Iliad instead of reading the Douglas, but it so wasn't happening.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

And yes, trains have layovers, although this one didn't.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm reading Beyond Black by Hilary Mantel, which on a couple of different levels is the kind of book I don't usually read, although I'm enjoying it.

SRH (Skrik), Friday, 24 February 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

That sounds like a great train ride. I used to take the train all the time between Boston and Washington, DC. Union Station in DC is the best! Lately I've been a long-distance driving addict. You do read quite a bit in motels that way, because you're jazzed from the road. I always run out of books and have to go to a Walmart for more. The books there are either thrillers or cheapo chicklit. You know you've gone too far down the aisle when the books suddenly all have pink spines. Then you go back and grab more books with black covers and one-word titles, preferably with bas-relief handguns or swastikas on the covers. You have to get a whole shopping-bag full, because most of them go bad after the set-up. Leave them in the motel when you're done.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

If we had an ILB Excelsior thread (which I am not suggesting) that last post, like Abu Ben Adam's name, would lead all the rest.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

You're like a trashy Gideon!

I haven't been to Union Station DC, but of the ones I've been to, I think Union Station LA is the nicest, well, assuming we don't include Grand Central of course.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Both of those Union Stations are good. Also Denver has a nice train station. Hi, I'm Trish, and I once had more money than I knew what to do with, so I took the train from DC to Chicago to Denver to LA. I was in the middle of breaking up with husband number one at the time and we went together, so there wasn't a lot of conversation.
We stayed in a ridiculously luxurious hotel in Denver called The Brown Palace, built by local businessmen in the 1800s to entice the railway to come through there.
You really do get a whole load of reading done on the train. It turns out I was reading Mrs. Dalloway for part of the time, then Crime and Punishment. I'd love to take another really long train trip. The Trans-Siberian looks like just the ticket.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

I am so up for that.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Bouvard & Pecuchet by Gustave Flaubert (sexy new Dalkey translation/edition)

Mary (Mary), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Wave when you come back through the Pasco stop! We are thinking about another train trip down to Portland, for the reading.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

I waved when I passed through this time. You didn't get my wave?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, for what reading?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 25 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

vs. driving! I can't read in the car. But when will you be doing another one? If it's on a weekend, we'll be there.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Somehow "The Brown Palace" doesn't quite make it as a hotel name. One pictures a great steaming cow-flop.

Grand Central is magnificent!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)


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