max, j0rdan and 77 (at a minimum)

Given the recent Gawker piece j0rdan wrote and max defended and given that there are enough semi-prominent posters on ILX who have posted sensitive information on 77, should their access to 77 be revoked?

Absolutely no question.

yep.

got it.

To keep the howling of ilx jerks to a minimum, it would probably be best if I (given my open gawker dislike) was not the one who pulled the trigger on this. If not for that, I would have done it already.

Here we go!

oh come on

Just realized this is on moderator request forum, not the mod board.

This seems like a weird move.

fuck this

don't particularly agree w/this but also completely uninterested in discussing it so i'm just registering a vague and halfhearted "no"

precog bans now?

Basically anyone on the internet complaining about their privacy should be laughed at by everyone around them 24/7.

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, July 13, 2015 2:45 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i don't think this makes a lot of sense, except punitively

this is going to be a "fun" thread

popcorn.gif

xxxpost lol

man why is this sweet drama happening while i cant be online all day

this is so barefacedly motivated by personal beefs smh

heavy question imo - I mean, nobody here's famous enough to get them enough clicks to make reporting "so and so said thus and such on a board called 77, here let us explain" worth their while. so it'd be a punitive move, sending the message "you guys pretty nakedly don't care about people's right to privacy, so giving you access to a private board is a bad idea." but OTOH who knows what heights anybody here will eventually climb to, and if somebody did get clickworthy enough to merit a "did you know that the celebrated chef Garu G once obsessed over his gran's flange?" article it seems clear they'd write/and or run it on "well, but we're allowed to" grounds, needlessly exposing both Garu G and his gran to the world beyond.

but this is painful for me because I have liked both these dudes, as I said on the other thread, and I wish they were more interested in reason than elevating the principle of "well, we can" above other, often more important principles.

how many people need to say 'this is a dumb idea' before we can veto angry mods

nice one wins

like a im only vaguely aware of whats going on this is so fd why do ppl get married

so they can be outed by gawker

the cycle of life

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i'm sorry i just haven't been around much for a good clusterfuck in a long while

fighting dick moves with dick moves

lol carne

I agree w Joan Crawford

j0rdan once took one of my ilx posts and put it on deadspin, verbatim without permission. I wrote to him after at the behest of the guy who told me the story, who was not happy but at least suggested he get the name of the location correct. Anyway at the moment it happened I was too stunned to be pissed but split ilx after til recently because it shook me a bit. I could have lost my job, he didn't ask if he could do it (the answer from the unwilling source may have been yes but who knows), never talked to me after, and it was at a tough time for my family personally. Not that people cared abt me more than him on here, he was always a more "valuable" poster to many people I think. I had a smaller niche.

Omar little btw

lol see i didnt even know that was omar

basically I would also like if possible for a mod to go thru and take down any photos of my kid from the parenting board

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― flopson, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:46 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Crut messed up formatting on two posts and asked for them to be deleted. You aren't missing any salacious content.

feel like gear is a pretty widely acknowledged crucial poster

whoa

my heart ain't in the game anymore. </3

feel like gear is a pretty widely acknowledged crucial poster

― lag∞n, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:49 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm and i didn't realize that situation had so many neg irl consequences for him

my coworker is an avid deadspin reader, he saw that post the instant it went up and was super shook himself. I told him what happened, he told five of us and I didn't want him to blame someone else

tbf you're a newsworthy powerful person and public figure and they're doing whatever it takes to prevent another war in iraq unlike conde nast and the ny times

had no idea about that sitch. goddamn.

yeah thats fucked

as I said on the other thread this is a worry 77 or no, famous or no, dodgy journalists or no. If anything I think there's more of a taboo/protectiveness around "omg how dare you doxx our beloved [slightly famous person]" whereas in the past when non-famous ppl have had their pseudonymous personal posts reposted elsewhere by scumbags with their real names attached the response was basically "lol should've been more careful m8"

I don't want to overstate it, it blew over within a week. But I don't think my reputation with that guy is at all good anymore, which for someone who is a freelancer is bad news. And it's hard to explain how it was not my fault, really.

both of the "culprits" of the deathdr0ne incident are on 77 now fwiw

The privacy point I was making was not in favor of publishing whatever the fuck you want to about someone with no consequences. It was about white people suddenly finding themselves under the same type of scrutiny minorities get every day of their lives and going "waaaaah I don't like it fix it for me".

damn omar

propose mods close barn door behind bolted horse next

By overstate I mean overstate the effect it had on my job. Who knows, like I implied, what that guy says about me to other people.

dmac can we maybe save Larger Issues And Consequents for another day

Also I was originally going to suggest they be removed from the boards altogether but unless we block access to the site from their ip addresses, they could still get to the site anyway so it didn't seem like it would accomplish anything but posturing.

yeah that seems like an awful idea

both of the "culprits" of the deathdr0ne incident are on 77 now fwiw

― sarahell, Friday, July 17, 2015 12:59 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tommy and jrix? what's up guys

has anyone posted stuff that max and j0rdy wrote on 77 to reddit or whatever?

only chaki to my knowledge

oh actually i dont remember who it was

that is uncool

in that I've p much never posted personal life shit to ilx in 12 years (for various reasons of which 'there's no real privacy online' is only one) I don't have a dog in this fight but this seems like a not-bad idea, bolted horse or not

i run a twitter bot that posts the entity of ilx it has 1.4 million followers

fucking get over yourselves guys

it was chaki and wgw iirc?

not to make that an issue again, that's over and done and dealt with ... this just feels kinda ... like something we should be better than? The wrong move?

the 77 banning seems like a defensible move, and i'd defer to certain posters whose lives it is more likely to affect, but at least personally in the SNA era i'm not really sure what's so special about 77 anymore. and it seems likely that anyone who wants to see 77 will be able to see it. so yeah, ultimately this seems a bit like a punitive measure for a completely off-board offense, which is a precedent i'm not sure we want to set

gear's story is more worthy of a ban from 77 then the recent blow up imo. like both the dudes as posters, sad conflicted times :`(

what was the deathdr0ne incident? other than just like RTing the oeuvre of a deeply disturbed man

there's literally one ILX poster who I would describe as "semi-prominent" a "playing in an indie rock band" isn't exactly being the fifth highest ranking executive at conde nast, but keep pissing your pants everyone

the vetting process to get on 77 consist of what exactly ?

was the n/omar thing on 77?

putting posters govt names in ddrone comments xp

xp - Vegemite Grrl is actually the CFO of the Vegemite corporation

i thought it was on i love hoops

putting posters govt names in ddrone comments xp

― call all destroyer, Friday, July 17, 2015 2:15 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what like on his blog

yeah. don't ban anyone because of my story, I just decided to take an ilx vacation and never post abt my kid anymore. I was serious about my kid's pics btw, it made me rethink my wisdom in posting them.

ya i posted a whiney post years ago on another board and it was a super scummy piece of shit move on my part and i feel really bad for it. i def have no right to take a position on this.

I don't think you can really ban anyone because of the offboard stuff. My story is more of a heads up.

keep pissing your pants everyone

― lil dork (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, July 17, 2015 7:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

everyone itt has said that banning ppl for being shit in their jobs is a stupid idea, except like 2 ppl

Like these dudes have been part of our community for, like, 7-8 years; they fucked up and did something you don't agree with on another site; so we banish them from the site?

what fucking unearned sense of worth over the world's greatest destination for people who want to vote in polls about Acclaimed Music stats.

did you read the part on the thread where j0rdan posted an ilx post verbatim to deadspin or should I copy and paste it for you

https://38.media.tumblr.com/5b36b8eb0a0ee28ea7c2cea64e5976b3/tumblr_mzidh7D9tz1qd5mq1o1_500.gif

the article was bullshit but I don't know that actually banning anyone from anywhere is really warranted

on the other hand I don't really give a shit but I really like that gif

man you guys have a lot of axes to grind against each other, how do you keep all this shit straight

was the deadspin thing a 77 post?

that gif is mesmerizing

it was an ILH post xp

who knows and it doesn't matter. if an actual member of this board, of "our community" as you yourself called it, copies and pastes a post for a news story without asking if it's cool that's a violation of some pretty simple-to-understand community standards. but keep circling them wagons bro

I like j0rdans musical taste fwiw

i have some ppl i wld like to ban for consistently making bad posts

there are Acclaimed Music polls on 77?

the logistical issues of decommissioning 77 have been covered before, idk what we can do about what's already there, but if we can kill the idea that there is any kind of safe space to post shit you wouldn't want to have a wider audience that would be v helpful imo. it is lame to 'lose' that aspect of this community but it was never really there in the first place. basically mencap otm somewhere upthread.

I would argue against banning them, if only because it clearly doesn't pay to be in any way involved with a website that Gawker dudes feel antagonism towards.

I think the only ILX thing I ever shared with the outside world is Ornaldo Bloomps' campaign poster, why because it is glorious.

oh wait nomar thing is not cool at all but banning still seems weird idk

yeah it was crummy imo but also crummy things happen on this board like every day btw, and idk if a policy of dont post things from this public online board other places really makes sense

Ok, I've gone ahead and re-added max and j0rdan to 77 for the time being. Primarily because I won't really have time to deal with all this over the weekend. I like DJP's idea. I was definitely overly hasty in implementing it without at least further discussion from the mods and from posters like you.

nomar, I've brought the thing about the parenting pics up as well. We'll definitely get back to you on this. I'm definitely taking this request seriously.

I'm going to ilxmail you about that and give you my direct email, I already forgot the email I created for this account

isn't exactly being the fifth highest ranking executive at conde nast, but keep pissing your pants everyone

tbf one doesn't have to *be* famous, just fuck someone who is, or maybe tell a story about them or be their brother

i would love it if 77 had anything remotely good enough to turn into a Gawker post

i love 77, but i've never seen anything particularly juicy

some of your posts perhaps

whatever happened to deathdr0ne anyway? his sudden internet silence makes me feel like he got arrested/committed suicide or something

i may actually go back into standup so my peccadilloes are featured in Gawker

but srsly, the hubris with which this board is diseased is hi-fucking-larious

Well, you are the authority on diseased.

attn gawk ppl consider a 500 days of morbs series plz thx

I do indeed have the bones to prove it

xp

you ppl really think 77 is SECRET huh... y the fuck wd you treat it like that? pay your fucking therapists.

hey it's actually ok for people to take issue with a really homophobic thing people did in their own community and discuss what to do about it. to dismiss people being disturbed by this is a shitty thing to do.

gossip workers be gossiping

ing them, if only because it clearly doesn't pay to be in any way involved with a website that Gawker dudes feel antagonism towards

Jeez.

lol zing

it could boost our ad revenue?

but seriously, if 50 or more ppl agree with me that this deserves punishment, we do have a system in place

what if we just punished them be redirecting all ilx gawker links to reddit

Kev k otm itt

ban everyone who has ever written for gawker imo even me who used kinja three times

sarahell otm, unilateral mod action clearly not the way to go as most ppl itt are against it, if anyone wants to sb a poster for shit they do at work they are free to do so but I very much doubt enough ppl want to do that for a tempban to happen (I certainly don't)

i've sb-ed j0rdy before for being an idiot and an asshole, what he does at work just confirms my opinion

I don't think it makes sense to let people who have a history of violating privacy to have access to 77. It's not even a punishment thing, it just seems logical.

do you honestly think these 2 posters are likely to repost 77 posts to gawker? serious q. I really don't.

Ppl do post more freely there and have in the past bc they have an expectation rightly or wrongly that it's confidential

max n jord need to be on 77 they r ogs

these 2 should have been permabanned ages ago along with Treeship

treeship shd be SHIPPED out of town imo jk

mods should card am0n

do you honestly think these 2 posters are likely to repost 77 posts to gawker? serious q. I really don't.

I don't think there's any doubt at all that they'd do so if they thought it was newsworthy, but I also don't think 77 is ever going to rise to the level of newsworthy. which is why the proposed ban is kind of silly - they're not going to have occasion to do anything. but absolutely, if somebody on 77 were having an affair with a congressman and posting about in really I-can-only-talk-about-this-vaguely terms (which, mind, would be stupid, nobody's disputing that), there is zero doubt in my mind they'd publish a story about it and when people complained would call 'em a bunch of big unrealistic babies

these 2 should have been sitewide permabanned ages ago along with Treeship and wins

wins more like loses posting privileges jk

if anyone wants to sb a poster for shit they do at work they are free to do so but I very much doubt enough ppl want to do that for a tempban to happen (I certainly don't)

― wins, Friday, July 17, 2015 12:33 PM (14 minutes ago)

i think it comes down to how people want to feel about the other members of their "community." Is it important that their fellow posters don't do egregious shit irl? How much trust do they need to feel they have? I'm sure there are ppl whose relationship to ilx is distant enough that they wouldn't mind discussing Acclaimed Music of 1994 with someone who stalks their exes or shares revenge porn or poisons neighborhood cats

it's not rly anyone's business whose business it doesn't become

like uh we have plenty of cunts, full-time and occasional, professional and amateur

^

^^

yeah, i totally think straight white males should be defining what people can be offended by

clearly the 77 autogoon keepin' it negative dickhole zing posse should run ILX

― TOMBOT, Friday, January 16, 2009 10:19 PM

sarahell
Posted: July 17, 2015 at 2:00:41 PM
yeah, i totally think straight white males should be defining what people can be offended by

wow can i live

I'm telling u what to think iirc

i think it comes down to how people want to feel about the other members of their "community." Is it important that their fellow posters don't do egregious shit irl? How much trust do they need to feel they have? I'm sure there are ppl whose relationship to ilx is distant enough that they wouldn't mind discussing Acclaimed Music of 1994 with someone who stalks their exes or shares revenge porn or poisons neighborhood cats

― sarahell, Friday, July 17, 2015 8:53 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is fair, just saying I personally am not at that level wrt these 2 partic posters & I'd be surprised if 51+ ppl were, not to invalidate the ones who are

I mean I was as grossed out by this story as literally everyone who doesn't work for gawker was, but I think we share virtual space with way worse people than these guys

who is the biggest scumbag on ILX?

me

def ciderpress

ciderpress

xxxp

xp in terms of weight? like literally the biggest?

The privacy point I was making was not in favor of publishing whatever the fuck you want to about someone with no consequences. It was about white people suddenly finding themselves under the same type of scrutiny minorities get every day of their lives and going "waaaaah I don't like it fix it for me".

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP)

The privacy point I was making was not in favor of publishing whatever the fuck you want to about someone with no consequences. It was about white people suddenly finding themselves under the same type of scrutiny minorities get every day of their lives and going "waaaaah I don't like it fix it for me".

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP)

The privacy point I was making was not in favor of publishing whatever the fuck you want to about someone with no consequences. It was about white people suddenly finding themselves under the same type of scrutiny minorities get every day of their lives and going "waaaaah I don't like it fix it for me".

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP)

The privacy point I was making was not in favor of publishing whatever the fuck you want to about someone with no consequences. It was about white people suddenly finding themselves under the same type of scrutiny minorities get every day of their lives and going "waaaaah I don't like it fix it for me".

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP)

there've been some contenders over the years but yeah, gotta be ciderpress xp

how much does ciderpress weigh? whiney is a pretty big guy iirc

working myself into a rage just thinking about ciderpress over here

let's ask Caitlyn Jenner what to be offended by

we'd have to guarantee her an award on TV first, though

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/build-a-cider-press-zmaz76soztak.aspx

Well I've gone from outraged to really thirsty all of a sudden.

Kinda want to take a hayride too.

not wanting homophobic people apart of your community doesn't necessarily mean you're "offended." if a guy in my personal circle of friends publicly outed someone online in 2015 they would be shunned and contact with them would cease.

i should have used a more apt word than "offended"

gossip workers be gossiping

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, July 17, 2015 7:23 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

laughed me a laugh

xp your point was not unclear, it's not for anyone to dictate who you are comfortable being around

if this is a vote then put me down on the "no" pile

the Gawker piece is indefensible and i will try to avoid that site in future but that has no bearing on here at the moment imo

JFTR posting stuff here elsewhere is so much a no-no it's even in the decrepit faq http://ilxor.com/faq.html and would have been a ban if nomar hadn't asked otherwise

where do you stand on ciderpress cause I think we have real momentum behind that campaign

i think the momentum will only result in ppl consuming refreshing alcoholic beverages tbh

you don't stand on a ciderpress; the whole idea is that you're not doing any treading

i don't want to weigh in on ciderpress because i'm skint for another week and can't afford an alcoholic beverage you bastards

the Gawker piece is indefensible and i will try to avoid that site in future but that has no bearing on here at the moment imo

― This is for my new ringpiece, so please only serious answers (Noodle Vague), Friday, July 17, 2015 8:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

100%

dry 5 o/

\o

Kicking from 77 is more difficult from a policy pov, because even though we let in anyone who asks p. much, there's also a sense people posting there have of it being less public and a place they can speak more freely. You can understand why posters who feel like that wouldn't want someone there who had previous on reposting elsewhere.

xp I am trying to get some Russian malware right now to use to nuke ciderpress. it's the only way to be safe.

pretty sure the author of the gawker story is not a homophobe tbh

He watches baseball.

that doesn't make it a "not" homophobic act, and max's defense tweets are 100% homophobic. why are you defending this?

otm!

oh, i don't mean to defend it in the least

damning with faint praise more like, m?

massive xposts but gear is a great poster and im sorry he has been forced off posting.

^^^

The Gawker post was 100% indefensible from any point of view but is, I think, not really what we're talking about here. We are in effect dealing with people who have had 77 access from the very beginning (whcih is, what, seven years now?) and even though they've only been working for Gawker for a fraction of that time, if they were going to mine it for story sources then it's likely they would have done so by now, given the nature of some of what's been posted.

It's worth emphasising that 77 is not and never has been a safe space, at the start it was a magnet for a couple of ILX's creepiest dudes and even though it's much better now, there's nothing the mods can do to properly enforce confidentiality or 100% ensure that anything that's posted won't reappear elsewhere. That it hasn't really shows the community is by and large respectful of the boundaries there but it only takes one person to break that.

If the board in general doesn't trust Max and Jordan to post to 77 then basically it doesn't trust them to post to ILX full stop, and I have the feeling if that's the case then it will be made very clear very quickly. If it doesn't, then I'm not sure it makes much difference whether they can see 77 or not, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them seeing the boards full stop. If the two or three posters who actually do count as semi-prominent decide they're unhappy with this and want to leave then we can reconsider.

ban everyone who has ever written for gawker imo even me who used kinja three times

Are your comments still pending approval

whatever happened to deathdr0ne anyway? his sudden internet silence makes me feel like he got arrested/committed suicide or something

A few measly posts on reddit of little interest

matt, a poster mentioned that j0rdan published one of his posts on deadspin. dude hasn't mined ilx for content but he could. i could see a post on ilx as a whole, "the secret lives of music journalists," that dregs up a bunch of unflattering posts out of context to disparage the profession. why not?

granted that would be a dumb post even by gawker's standards but they publish a lot of things that don't strike me as newsworthy so...

that justifiably disparage the profession u mean

If they really wanted to do that, they could probably do so through reading the rest of ILX. Or through throwing away relationships built up over seven years or so. Or through registering with a new name and IP, posting innocuously for a while and then asking for 77 access. Banning would make it a little more difficult, but not if they were especially determined.

Maybe they could do a series like the "500 days of kristin" but this is the "500 days of ilx." Each day, a new poster is "profiled." We learn about their music tastes, their phobias, which old time celebrity they would go back in time and have lots of sex with, and also get to read embarrassing posts they made when "lashing out" at the world, perhaps during a personal crisis of some kind.

xp you're right matt. I still stand by the 77 banning idea but in general i agree we can't protect against these guys or, maybe more likely, anyone else violating our trust. The internet is public blah blah blah

trís u sound like a guy beginning to talk himself into something

This isn't official mod policy BTW, I'm just saying that when the problem is who is reading rather than who is posting it's not particularly straightforward.

I think treeship would make a fine mod. although I don't really pay attention so he might be one already.

I suspect that 77 access is not really going to be high on either poster's priority list right now FWIW.

trís u sound like a guy beginning to talk himself into something

if Treeship joined Gawker it would be an interesting test of the 'turns idealistic, earnest young writers into dead-eyed, amoral hacks' hypothesis

I can only speak for myself, but this is a social environment and this kind of "board justice" is really annoying. "Celeb" posters on other boards routinely get doxxed for news, it's nothing new and I think ILX's couple of semi-prominent posters are aware of the possibility that it might happen even here. Me, I feel confident enough to discuss my mental health, sex life, professional concerns in this environment with candour and an appropriate number of SWIMs, can't speak for all posters, but we're all adults and we can step to if we feel our discretionary lines are crossed.

fwiw the only ish I had with this entire story was max's "he has a wife!" hetero white knight defenso, but like, I'm so used to that ideology running things round here and everywhere that it's like *shrug*, gay panic is alive and well, good work guys

ban them. No big loss.

I never knew them too well but they've both been posting since they were super young. For some reason that makes this situation sad for me.

i don't see this as "outing" sorry. Very binary idea.

also fuck all rich ppl everywhere, ruin them if at all possible (Nick Denton included).

except woody allen

he's ruined himself p adequately

also, blow me.

hey guys i sometimes make questionable decisions at my day job, am i gonna get kicked from 77??

Are you a drone operator?

As far as I can see Jordan did actually break a longstanding 77 rule by reposting Gear's story. Other posters have had access revoked for that in the past.

gear's story wasn't on 77 it was on ILH

when i was first saw the story posted i was surprised because i hadn't seen anything in that thread to indicate j0rd had had gear's permission but i didn't realize it had had such real life repercussions for gear

shitty all around

Ah my mistake, sorry.

(just ftr i haven't really read this thread, to say nothing of the other thread)

omar's post was on ilh not 77, if that matters. his account is true. i broke board sanctity -- not maliciously, but certainly recklessly -- and if people want me permabanned for that, i accept.

i don't read ilx that closely anymore, but if my mere presence makes people uncomfortable posting, i'm not going to argue too hard to be kept around. the board means a lot to me, has always meant a lot to me, and i have no desire to make it inhospitable for other people simply by existing.

i think the question as it pertains to 77 is silly, quite frankly, but i've always considered ilx to be only quasi-public, anyway. it's googleable and popular in some circles but i've always thought of the board as a tucked away corner of the internet that was, in some sense, a safer space. i'm not going to make the argument that the public boards are public and therefore people have to be willing to accept that someone (me) could read a post and distribute that information. that is true, of course, technically speaking, but i don't want that argument made on my behalf.

i like being around ilx (or certain boards at least) and i don't see how the geithner story really applies to the board in any real fashion, aside from a general sense of paranoia. but, again, i don't want to be a source of paranoia in a community i care about. my personal opinion is that paranoia would be misguided -- i don't trawl ilx for reportable gossip, have no desire to, and, given this discussion and omar's revelation itt, will be very conscious of doing it even unintentionally, going forward, if i am not banned.

in any event, i love and respect you all, even the ones who hate me personally or on principle. ilx has been incredible for my personal and professional life (heh). in so many ways, finding the board was one of the best things that's ever happened to me. i'm currently typing this from grady's couch! if this is the last you all hear from me, it was a fun 8 years (holy shit).

So, to be clear, the literal only reason that 77 has been left alive by the mods was the argument that it had private things on it already and would continue to be a private safe space in a sort of horse out of barn way. This has come up A MILLION TIMES. If we have two posters that have publicly shown they have no interest in the privacy, one of whom has already specifically quoted an ilx post off board without permission, and that somehow still isn't a reason to ban them from 77, what is the point of having 77? Why have mods or moderation at all?

also why would we have mods w/ enough personal beefs that they can't be considered neutral arbiters when something important comes up

It's difficult to keep up right now but I think they've already had access revoked.

That's not snark, I'm seriously questioning whether at this point ILX wants moderation outside of fixing html and 86ing spambots, which I do, but isn't why I signed up to be a mod. If the minor idea of a 77 ban in this case isn't warranted, we just straight up don't have enforceable community standards for this board, which I've suspected for quite a while.

Iatee, grow up

No Matt, that was reversed about 5 posts into the thread

"publicly shown they have no interest in privacy"

this is a broad brush. you might not like where they drew the line but, uh.

i can't -- and won't! -- get into a protracted argument in this thread, generally, or about the story specifically. i will just say though, that for the record, the idea that i don't have "interest in privacy" is flatly untrue, certainly as it pertains to ilx. if people don't believe that or trust me, that's fine. that's for the community (or the mods?) to decide. as it pertains to the ILH thing, i recognize and admit to committing and apologize for that mistake. if that's a permabannable offense, again, i accept.

also, i can still see 77

I think the only solid standard that's ever been adhered to consistently here was the 51 line. as I said above, a ban from 77 for writing and publishing a bullshit article feels weirdly punitive to me, even though I get it - I do not trust either of these guys to not publish stuff from this board if it rose to their level of "that's news." but "you're being banned from 77 because external-to-the-board stuff has shown you're not trustworthy" still is weird to me. board exile only for board-related offenses imo. however the ILH biz is way gross too, really a sad story to hear, but do I get the sense that was a while ago? still kind oddly "banning you on these grounds though you & I know I'm banning you because you're being bullshit out there in the world at large" imo.

77 has been open access for a few years now I thought? jigglepanda grants all wishes

What's crazy to me is that you all are totally happy savaging these dudes personally on the other thread but the minute revoking 77 privs come up, suddenly that's a radical punitive measure. If that's the case, maybe check yourself in the race to make a statement on how enraged you are abt this whole deal.

Many xposts and not a ref to chaki or Jordan's posts which I will read in a sec. Stupid phone.

Short version - this is a policy related thing for mods. If this is not a reasonable point of concern wrt 77 privs, posting things from 77 elsewhere on ILX shouldn't be either.

That's not chaki I'm chaki!

this is getting into the territory of "This poster cheated on his girlfriend, how can we ever trust him?"

jj man I will continue to savage away because I think they're both being 100% bullshit in both word and deed, but there are plenty of people just as bullshit hanging out here! me, I am often a very bullshit guy! but what offense have they committed against this community? only the one -- the ILH thing -- which, as I say, utterly gross, tempban when it happened would make sense to me

but I mean...to just fully say what I feel, I know this is a condescending old dude thing to say both of these guys will grow out of the behavior that presently has them in hot water. I'd bet on that. they are not shitty people and have generally not treated people any worse than anybody else around here to the best of my knowledge. (re: Bimble, I was a dick to Bimble too sometimes, I am not qualified to speak on that q.)

communities have people who are sterling ppl and people who are confused and people who are dicks, and those roles fluctuate over time - "everybody plays the fool," etc. but exiling someone from a community ought to be because of specific offenses against that community is my feeling, though I'd probably be making a different argument if they'd killed somebody, etc., which is where my own argument eats its tail, because was J0rdan did is so profoundly shitty that while it doesn't rise to murder, it's deeply hurtful to another human being for no reason other than "I get to hurt this guy," so, you know, probably impossible to have a conversation w/J0rdan anytime soon w/o thinking "this dude would sell any one of us out for a nickel" so there's that.

i always thought the point of 77 was that it's a board that isn't indexed by google, and since posting stuff from there elsewhere on ilx causes it to be indexed by google, that's why it's not allowed

"That dude that did that majorly homophobic thing... well he's always been cool to me!!'

Hahaha sorry Chaki! It's a thousand degrees where I am and I'm a little muddled as a result.

i always thought the point of 77 was that it's a board that isn't indexed by google, and since posting stuff from there elsewhere on ilx causes it to be indexed by google, that's why it's not allowed

― ciderpress, Saturday, July 18, 2015 12:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is probably the best way to think of 77 going forward

What's crazy to me is that you all are totally happy savaging these dudes personally on the other thread but the minute revoking 77 privs come up, suddenly that's a radical punitive measure. If that's the case, maybe check yourself in the race to make a statement on how enraged you are abt this whole deal.

Many xposts and not a ref to chaki or Jordan's posts which I will read in a sec. Stupid phone.

No, not at all, that is ridiculous, you are ridiculous

Why even have mods if you can't ban longstanding posters on spec <-- there are a hundred reasons ppl might be anti this and pro mods in general

i don't see how the geithner story really applies to the board in any real fashion, aside from a general sense of paranoia.

You did a really shitty thing irl and that affects how comfortable people feel around you in a community you are apart of. You know if you are hanging out and one of your bros starts calling people fags and next time you go out you don't invite the fags guy? Yah that's you.

I like to think that if they continue to post on ilx that jordan&max would benefit from it. cutting them off feels like a depressing reaction for a community to take

I agree with ogmor

Also i agree with joanie loves chachi. People should be given chances to redeem themselves/grow up. What they did was wrong and spiteful but they're still people and have been posters for a really long time. Idk

can a mod email me either way if/when a decision is made

jordanmsargent at gmail -- i don't have access to the address connected to this account

I've been around ilx for many, many years, but really only been a regular poster on ilh, which is a smallish community of maybe a dozenish regular posters. But we're also one of the most active and loving communities on this board, if not the entire goddamn Internet, and the people who post there are my friends and my family.

When j0rd posted Omar's story to deadspin I assumed he had obtained permission via dm. It was a little shocking to learn itt that he hadn't. I really wish he had! I have some NBA connections that have allowed me to post some small rumors and gossip in our threads I probably shouldn't have and would think a third time about it now knowing it's a c/p from the real world. But I mean that's probably not the world's biggest loss.

I consider j0rdan my friend and an important part of an Internet space I treasure. He did a shitty thing. I've done so many shitty things it's unbelievable, but they've been quiet and personal. I'm 100% positive he's learned and is learning a lot of lessons from all this, and imo ILH, at least, would be diminished by his absence.

Thanks and I promise this is as earnest I will ever be on the internet ever again.

I'm 100% positive he's learned and is learning a lot of lessons from all this

How? Dude is basically saying "y'all just paranoid" and Max has tripled down on defending it.

^ yeah how i feel more or less. i consider j0rd to be a friend, i've shared beers with him on multiple occasions, i also consider omar to be one of my favorite posters on here, so this is a tough spot for me to speak from.

confining my feelings to just the ILH incident i agree w/ clay, and it just seems really weird and punitive that a permaban is even being considered at all here.

thread got me tearing up

/I'm 100% positive he's learned and is learning a lot of lessons from all this/

How? Dude is basically saying "y'all just paranoid" and Max has tripled down on defending it.

he took responsibility and apologized for the incident that actually had anything to do with ilx. he seems contrite and accepting of punishment for it. And I don't really get what max has to do with it. He tripled down on an editorial position he made at his very public day job with which I happen to disagree. If we pb him for that we've become a pretty fucked up place.

who is gonna eat the cookie after everyone is done jerking off onto it

i always thought the point of 77 was that it's a board that isn't indexed by google, and since posting stuff from there elsewhere on ilx causes it to be indexed by google, that's why it's not allowed

― ciderpress, Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:32 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ditto

anyway i don't think they should be banned

could do with whiney getting a couple of months off if we can ask itt for convenience sake

i thought when chaki spams the board with the same post over and over we ban him?

everyone knows jordan and i publicly dislike one another but it would be nonsense to ban him over this from 77 or ilx in general. Whether him and max stay or leave is entirely up to them. we all know where i stand on that (and vice versa no doubt) but its irrelevant.
JJ It really is a different thing from the disgust with them on the other thread.
What they did was disgusting and i really hope they realise that.
The gear thing should have been dealt with at the time. I just fnd it a shame that gear has felt unable to post. I liked him.

the only interesting thing in this thread is that dr morbius used to do standup

also this !

i'm currently typing this from grady's couch!

man i really want a cookie now

there's a lot i'd like to say right now but i'm going to leave it at this--jordan, i hope you stick around.

I wanted to reiterate I don't think j0rdan should be banned, since I think with the ILH thing it was more of a fuckup than a malicious thing. like it was a pretty funny and afaik entirely accurate story. I guess I think about it like when I signed the lease on our house and the lease said "don't film here" but within a few months of course a buddy needed a filming location and like a moron I forgot the lease and said yes and our landlord came by and was furious, on the cusp of evicting us (or trying to!) and I convinced him of my ignorance, that it wasn't malice. And now we're cool. I was wrong but more unthinking than untrustworthy. J0rdan apologized to me personally and I accepted it. I really sincerely don't think he'd do that again. The gawker stuff is separate and I don't think he should pay for that here either. We let chris ott post here, he's clearly more of a supervillain than JS.

nomar, really happy to see you back, as king of ilh and 17th in line of succession to run ilx, we cherish u

thank u for the kind words

aye, great to see you back dude

i don't see how the geithner story really applies to the board in any real fashion, aside from a general sense of paranoia.

You did a really shitty thing irl and that affects how comfortable people feel around you in a community you are apart of. You know if you are hanging out and one of your bros starts calling people fags and next time you go out you don't invite the fags guy? Yah that's you.

― Cory Sklar, Saturday, July 18, 2015 9:45 AM (6 hours ago)

yeah, this is super otm. And it also reflects on your community and your "bros" -- like going to a party and having to answer to someone else you like and respect, "oh that guy that was calling people fags? uh, yeah, i hang out with him ...but uh ..."

http://i.imgur.com/OhTgyiJ.jpg

So much "he's always been cool to me!" itt.

I think the question I posed had been answered by the community.

to inconclusive results

let's just start a stay/go poll thread on every regular ilxor

we'll need more cookies

acquittal has to be unanimous, of course.

there should be a board called something like "the shadow realm" where every post is anonymous. we could hold the stay/go polls there, so people can talk relentless shit about each target without fear of retribution. but then, one day, unexpectedly, while everyone is in the midst of a feeding frenzy, pecking some poor ilxor to death, the anonymity feature of the shadow realm is turned off and everyone can see who posted what across all of the threads in the shadow realm. everyone will be so ashamed of what they've written they'd flee the board forever, like rats scurrying back into their holes when the lights go on. ilx will become a ghost town. mysteriously though, someone will still pay to keep the server running. every so often a band of curious young people will find there way here and start posting on old threads seeing what will happen. sometimes they'll encounter jordan, now an old man, who will tell them the story of this board -- a tale of love, loss, betrayal, and redemption.

or maybe not redemption. anyway, i think this is what we should do.

yes

(to treeship's idea)

haha yes

+1 to Treesh's plan

i think their access to ILTMI should be made permanent

but write-only, obv

too much information wants to be free

Not to Columbo, but one thing I'm confused about though:

J0rdan sez:

i don't trawl ilx for reportable gossip, have no desire to, and, given this discussion and omar's revelation itt, will be very conscious of doing it even unintentionally, going forward, if i am not banned.

See for everyone else here, omar's revelation is that you didn't ask him permission. But of course you know that, so I don't get what revelation you got from omar.

revelation was the professional difficulties and repercussions it had for omar, which weren't discussed before this weekend iirc

You'd have to be really obtuse (esp for a journalist) not to anticipate the irl consequence of posting that anecdote verbatim including the framing ("so my coworker said ...").
Or just not give a shit abt the consequences, even though the source is your buddy.

also this !

i'm currently typing this from grady's couch!

― johnny crunch, Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

better than gear's couch amirite lol

speaking of obtuse, i am a bit at a loss as to why that jordy/grady pic was posted here?

think it was meant to elicit feelings of "can't believe dude is having fun rn", which is also gross. can't believe how gross everyone is. except for me. i am the one who is not gross.

That was me being gross. Something abt seeing it on the other thread right after the "more careful going forward" post in this one just irked. I apologize for the invasion of any privacy interests.

oh it was posted to 1p3, garnering a "<3" from roxy, just wondering why it was in this thread.

Because I put it here. Is that supposed to be a secret board too? If so there's more coding that needs fixed because I never requested access.

no, just saying that it isn't a privacy issue, because it had already been posted

Well I have to admit, my apology may have been a little less than completely sincere anyway.

eh, the original context for the posted pic had some definite, "aren't I a stinker? hehehe" connotations to it, i don't really care

Obstruction #6: Jørgen goes out for drinks w/ gr8080 immediately after posting a life-ruining piece to gawker.com

like I said before it's partially on me for not bringing it up with j0rdan earlier and it was in retrospect not cool of me to bring it up in this moment bc I feel like people are using it as evidence of why he should be banned and I would hate to see that. Lots of us have made dumb mistakes w/r/t this board and real life. I also want to again state that my IRL repercussions were actually pretty mild and I wouldn't be talking to j0rdan right now if they were serious repercussions. the worst that could have happened didn't and like I said I genuinely believe it was just an oversight in pursuit of a solid lol. And it should be said that my coworker (the source) insisted I write to JS to confirm a bit of info because he was annoyed that it was being denied by simmons. At that time I should have said something but instead I just stewed and left the board. Anyway let JS stay, trust him on 77 imo. My cooler head should prevail imo.

I'm not explicitly calling for a ban, I don't post on 77 or otherwise give a shit about that board. But I hope you won't mind if I respectfully disagree with you when you suggest you bear some part of the blame for that incident! It's super generous but I think your initial instinct was correct, it was a shitty thing to do, for a friend or for anyone who thought of themself as a journalist. Why should it be on you to object promptly and strenuously? It wasn't.

I put it more on me for bringing it up during what felt like a pile on. I wouldn't want it to be the straw that broke the back.

Like I said my coworker was unhappy and I think let me dangle limbo wrt to how mad he was for a week or so. But in the end the damage was more on my stress level and I refuse to hold it against him any further.

good for you for not holding a grudge, but that doesn't mean you should apologize for anything.

terms of use for this site concern not reposting stuff from here. of course ppl are going to, especially lurkers, but a long-time member AND journalist does know better. i don't think it was malicious, but i also don't think it was at 'untentional' - it seems more like 'idgaf'.

as for bringing it up here, i think it's entirely relevant, since posters were discussing trust issues with a well-known member. no one can say 'oh well jordan would never do that' bc now we know he has.

i don't really have an opinion either way on the issue of banning. i'm just really bugged by the fact that you are trying to take on some kind of blame or responsibility for this situation, when neither i or anyone else thinks that's the case at all.

how many people need to say 'this is a dumb idea' before we can veto angry mods

― iatee, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:43 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Please dont write a Gawker article about the time I posted the word niggers

that all probably true just1n3. though I hope I'm not coming off as attempting to take any blame for this, I guess I'm more annoyed at
myself for getting all stirred up again when the blood was in the water rather than dealing with it more directly.

I feel like ILX is for the most part safe from Gawker bcz other ILXors can be counted on to be chill about exactly nothing that doesn't pass the smell test

how many people need to say 'this is a dumb idea' before we can veto angry mods

― iatee, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:43 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

51

after posting a life-ruining piece to gawker.com

not always life-ruining for the spouse in these situations, sometimes she gets to conduct two campaigns for US president.

never change

if i had the wherewithal to knock together an obama change poster with a pic of morbs saying never change believe me when i say i would've done it and it would've been much better than this post.

Seriously, Morbs, how are you not related to me. You sure you don't live in North Mississippi?

Cool. Someone tell Geithner's wife she might get her husband's job 18 years from now

Seriously, Morbs, how are you not related to me. You sure you don't live in North Mississippi?

― pplains, Monday, July 20, 2015 10:38 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yes

idgi

glad crut took the bait tho

"So Uncle Ronnie, your boat make it through the flood?"

"Yeah, we had it tied down on Flower Lake. Unlike BILL CLINTON who lets HILLARY go UNLEASHED."

lmao

lmao x2

hey dudes don't ban max and jordan

ban this adam duncan dude though

"lag∞n
Posted: July 20, 2015 at 10:24:44 AM
how many people need to say 'this is a dumb idea' before we can veto angry mods

― iatee, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:43 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― (caek), Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

Uh...you all realize that except for a blip where a dude jumped the gun, nothing actually happened or was done by your "angry mods" right. So yknow are you vetoing um. Yeah I still don't know

who are the mods again?

Fastest draw in the west, pardner.

nah i mean, outside of you, jjusten, and Matt DC, idk who is a site mod

Like I know that "fuck the mods" is apparently still a thing for some reason but yeah. I don't get it.

Ok I mean iatee isn't a surprise, but

I've been downright generous throughout tbph

I am the opposite of fuck the mods

I would make love to the mods, every man jack of them

given the chance, ilx will always report on the behavior of powerful c-level mods

let's rank the mods

fill out your mod review form and place it inside the manila envelope as you leave the room. Treeship will drop it off at Ned Raggett's house on his walk back to the dorms.

remember last year when you were trying to offer yourself as a human 51 sacrifice to get darragh back?

3000 miles is a long walk for poor old Treesh

That's a long ride on shanks' pony

a lot of time to think

so are there only 3 mods anymore?

thought it was one mod in three persons?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W1q3Azi8q2Q/U5iOJ5NsFRI/AAAAAAAALE8/JNXN75GKgl0/s1600/Trinity+Graphic.png

we'll always have Sanctimonious Ex-Mod Threadstarters

rlly wanted to find a pic of Our Gang doing a mock trial, failed

http://www.vicsocotra.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/041212-5.gif

iirc the mods include how's life, jjj, matt dc, forks (shudder), esoj, maybe even teeny still? plus stet and keith by definition i guess

at times like these, i kind of yearn for tombot to come in and fucking clean house. the mods we have are thoroughly and perhaps even too reasonable, and take an unreasonable amount of shit for it

no chixor mods on ilx (except teen but is teeny still around? I had no idea! Hi, teeny!)

but I mean rly, I am not exactly one to bang on the "wtf patriarchy" drum, but c'mon.

emil.y is a sitewide mod

lol yeah that doesn't seem right at all

i thought that abbott was one?

This'll come as a big shock but for you all but for some strange reason extending the opportunity of modding to many female posters is met generally with scoffing laughter and "oh fuck no"s. The few that have accepted have almost entirely hung it up quickly.

rlly wanted to find a pic of Our Gang doing a mock trial, failed

Best I could do and honestly, it's a rp:

http://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Guillotin.jpg

Uh...you all realize that except for a blip where a dude jumped the gun, nothing actually happened or was done by your "angry mods" right. So yknow are you vetoing um. Yeah I still don't know

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Monday, July 20, 2015 7:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of the things with being a site mod is:

💩 if you start a thread saying what posters do is very bad
💩 or post on facebook saying that
💩 or post supportively on threads advocating mod action against posters

people are going to treat that differently to if a regular poster says it.

we'll always have Sanctimonious Ex-Mod Threadstarters

even though they wonder why they have to share space with dicks who trade on their health problems to cover their racism

sorry, racism AND sexism

hang on to your shudder there mooks; i stepped down years ago.

i am a female poster fyi. i volunteer to be a site mod.

*awkward silence*

lol

my dedication to transparency in the Admin Log has been demonstrated for several years now. i think i would be a perfect candidate

Lol I actually thought sarahell was a site mod! She should be IMO

sarahell should definitely be a mod, she's one of the best posters

You don't want to mod this pit, Sarah cmon.

for those who might have concerns about me based on certain posts/posting habits of 5 or so years ago, i have done some serious CBT (albeit diy) re alcohol.

i think i would be a perfect candidate

this *seems* like a disqualifying admission, but otoh you might be right

"(caek)
Posted: July 20, 2015 at 8:40:19 PM
Uh...you all realize that except for a blip where a dude jumped the gun, nothing actually happened or was done by your "angry mods" right. So yknow are you vetoing um. Yeah I still don't know

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Monday, July 20, 2015 7:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of the things with being a site mod is:

if you start a thread saying what posters do is very bad
or post on facebook saying that
or post supportively on threads advocating mod action against posters

people are going to treat that differently to if a regular poster says it."

I have said from day one that I don't buy this at all. I am a poster here first, I'm just dumb enough to have also agreed to be a mod. Assuming mods do what they do because they care about the community, why force them to step out of the community? Point 3 there in particular seems super wrongheaded - I've gone out of my way to push for mod transparency, and in fact, that's why I accepted the gig in the first place. As a result, I've always owned and explained my mod actions, or what I thought mod action should be, publicly. Tell me how that's bad mod behavior, and while you are at it, consider that maybe other mods would be more forthcoming if I didn't catch endless shit for it EVERY TIME.

Xposts probably. Phone.

i agree with jj

Having been a mod on aanother board where I didn't receive much in the way of grief, I empathize with the general hassles the mods here have to deal with. That you have to deal with sustained beef from certain posters is just the cherry on a sundae you'd be forgiven for avoiding altogether. Y'all are alright in my book, is what I'm sayin'.

i agree, it's fun to quit! everybody quit!

Sub boards should become semi autonomous regions and sub board mods should convene like supreme Court justices to decide matters once a year in the summer

i have daydreamed about having my own sub-board one day, but i don't have a good idea for one that i could propose

mod test scenario #1 for sarahell: French Stewart starts posting on the board using the dn waterface. do you ban Treeship?

too easy

I have said from day one that I don't buy this at all.

it doesn't matter in the slightest whether you "buy it" or not, when you advocate for mod action, a large portion of the community disagrees, and then you seem pissed about that result, the optics are just not great.

It's almost as if I had a different opinion and was entitled to it but oh wait, I'm a mod so I don't get to have those.

Like the argument that I'm the pissed off dude in a thread full of people throwing shit back and forth at each other is frankly super laughable to me, but hey

What I've been saying, consistently, is that if the nomar situation (which came up for the first time in this thread) plus several posters expressing concerns about privacy thanks to this whole deal is not sufficient for a 77 ban, we need to talk about 77 policy in general, because it has clearly changed. How that gets wrangled into me being a raging monster I don't know.

The nomar situation (which came up for the first time in this thread)

It was brought up the first time in a MRF thread last Feb.

shh

Wait really? Can you post a link plz?

Use your mod powers dude.

5en51t1ve 5tuff 5t1ll 5en51t1ve.

Not that I don't believe you, I feel bad because that should have been dealt with differently since it's mega against the rules.

Xpost - I can't use mod powers or search on zing so

Well, this isn't 77. Anyone could be reading this.

Oh wait, this is the post you are talking about:

googleproof or something

Which says nothing about Jordan or the situation. So you're just being a dick.

also

What I've been saying, consistently, is that if the nomar situation (which came up for the first time in this thread) plus several posters expressing concerns about privacy thanks to this whole deal is not sufficient for a 77 ban, we need to talk about 77 policy in general, because it has clearly changed.

is maybe not the most accurate description of the timeline of how things unfolded in this thread. it seems that you had your mind made up pretty quickly -- hence your first post itt, which ftr is the source of many of the grievances against you as a mod, that being your quick trigger, not believe it or not your lack of transparency. the people whose opinions probably mattered most -- a couple of relatively well-known posters and gear -- came out against the bans, as did a sizable majority of posters in the thread.

this all doesn't even address the fact that 77 isn't exactly an exclusive place to begin with, as we went over in the request thread

Right, I did have my mind made up, and I also stand by my opinion, but didn't do anything. In fact, I specifically said I wasn't going to take mod action. Where is the problem here?

I'm not being a dick or slinging shit at you, john.

You're the one who just explicitly spelled it out there again.

Now, you can also click on one of the links in that link above and read all about where it was published, etc.

I'd like an apology too.

Please reread and note I never made any attempt to argue for the 77 bans for either of those guys after my first 2 posts in this thread. I didn't argue with people saying they disagreed with banning them after that either.

Xposts

Like the argument that I'm the pissed off dude in a thread full of people throwing shit back and forth at each other is frankly super laughable to me, but hey

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Monday, July 20, 2015 11:45 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol you were the one that pulled out the why-even-have-mods taking yr ball and going home thing, it's fine to wish you got your way but don't stand here all wide-eyed wondering what you did.

the nomar situation has been thoroughly gone over by the original poster and i believe he has explicitly stated he's not asking for bans. there's a productive discussion to be had about realistic standards for 77, maybe we could actually have that discussion instead of doing this?

"I never heard about this until now"

"It's in a thread I found"

"Can you post the link please?"

"Look it up yourself"

Yep seems totally not dickish

Again, call all destroyer, read the post just above yours.

I didn't want to link to a post that an ilxor had specifically said had caused him grief IRL!

I'm sorry you can't search on a zing or whatever.

Also, pp, when I click those links, there's nothing about the reposting at all. Not sure why that's the case, but I'm not trying to score points or anything. I legit never heard about it until this thread, and looking back it looks like pretty much everyone else was unaware of it as well.

And if I misread your tone, I apologize.

xp you made your position extremely clear in those first two posts and in a couple of subsequent posts, if you want to voice your positions and continue being a mod expect these types of discussions to keep happening. that doesn't make you a raging monster or even a remotely bad guy.

Also now that we've all had our usual "mods are angry" "fuck u I'm not angry" go around, I agree w/cad that talking abt expectations of 77 privacy is really where this conversation seems to be/should be going. Probably in a totally different new thread. Esp after whatever weirdo thing happened that made it briefly public momentarily over the weekend.

Xposts probably

the post didn't cause him grief, jordan publishing it on deadspin did. from what i gather dude didn't really care that much until there was some irl weirdness over it. that jordan didn't go to him and clear it or whatever is sorta shady but ppl have done shadier shit, it happened forever ago, nomar's over it, i really doubt jordan would pull that again, and it would feel like piling on at this point. i'm still kinda 'wow really' at the revelation that jordan literally just read something on a messageboard and w/ no followup figured 'verified enough, PUBLISH'. not horrified more chuckling. ppl do shit. i remember in high school we were supposed to write three poems for homework and i hadn't written a third so right before class i scribbled down the lyrics to 'london' by the smiths and turned it in. i don't know how my teacher bought it, if she'd called my bluff and asked me eg. 'what's euston?' i would've been done for.

i have daydreamed about having my own sub-board one day, but i don't have a good idea for one that i could propose

relax, you don't need a reason

yeah you would know

actually no, I run ILX's marketplace for dreams, fella

xps

expectations of 77 privacy

Just thinking 'out loud'...

Not that it is an earth shaking revelation, but as long as computers allow cut-and-paste, 77 has no guarantee of privacy and its participants would do well to bear this in mind. But like any community, 77 has community standards which, although they can easily be abrogated, it seems reasonable that there be such retroactive consequences as can be agreed upon.

For a breach of the magnitude of republishing 77 material verbatim to a high-visibility place like gawker, banning seems altogether sensible as a consequence. Whether it is a temp ban or permanent ban would be the real question.

Because this situation was unprecedented and therefore the punishment for such actions was never established or made clear beforehand, I'd look first to the extent of the damage wrought in this case and if it was not material, then settle for a temp ban. If the victim of the breach was damaged in real life, then a permaban seems best.

In the future, any breach of 77 privacy that leads to adverse real life consequences, intended or not, should lead to a permanent ban, imo. If the perpetrator later makes the damaged person whole to their satisfaction, then the victim could ask for reinstatement of the ilxor who screwed them over. If there were no adverse real life consequences, I'd say a temp ban should still be imposed, of a length the mods deem appropriate.

The post that was reposted off-site was not a 77 post, just reposted without permission or a heads up.

oh thank god aimless is here to tell us what to do

Thats funny, I dont recall "imo" standing for "shut up and do this".

Anyway ahem is anyone going to elaborate on ball's stalk-and-attack claim cos thats not the first time Ive seen that come up ?

OK, but the principle I set forward isn't affected by that fact.

Participants in 77 ought not repost 77 material elsewhere without clear and direct permission and if they do, the consequence is either a temp ban of a length to be determined by the mods, or a permaban if the breach leads to real life damage to the person whose 77 privacy was breached.

oh thank god aimless is here to tell us what to do

fuck off cad

Just a quick thing - C+P from any portion of ILX offboard w/o permission of the poster is completely off limits and has been since before I even got here iirc

"CBT" never fails to make me laugh when it's used in the less black-and-blue sense.

xp precede all your posts with "not that it is an earth shaking revelation" and maybe possibly i'll fuck off

For once I agree with morbs

Anyway ahem is anyone going to elaborate on ball's stalk-and-attack claim cos thats not the first time Ive seen that come up ?

― I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:07 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i would like the deets on this too. for the good of the board, i mean

How does an ilxor "stalk" someone to a FAP

This is, uh, maybe not going to be a productive direction for this thread to go?

Yeah I was just thinking that too, forget I asked.

i am struggling to imagine a productive direction for this thread to go

Well, there's that.

please share the stalking + attack details.

"if it's true you publish" ;)

i am struggling to imagine a productive direction for this thread to go

― you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:52 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we could talk about music instead

just fyi "this is a good one to let go" is a fuckin great ilx search

― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 June 2015 01:15 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCziXV-YZU

i like this song a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DckYV3FQfSE

please dude. just enjoy this, okay? let's get the stalking and assault story.

okay i'll step away from the gawker cosplay without tsk tsking but i feel compelled to point out that "ball's stalk-and-attack" is a dn withering on the vine imo

CBT again

(i am totally listening to richard marx at 2 in the morning if that counts)

It did make me lol after I typed it out, I must admit.

"lag∞n
Posted: July 20, 2015 at 10:24:44 AM
how many people need to say 'this is a dumb idea' before we can veto angry mods

― iatee, Friday, July 17, 2015 1:43 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― (caek), Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink"

Uh...you all realize that except for a blip where a dude jumped the gun, nothing actually happened or was done by your "angry mods" right. So yknow are you vetoing um. Yeah I still don't know

― a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Monday, July 20, 2015 7:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

breaking man does comically self righteous personal grudge routine followed by willfully naivety for millionth year running

at times like these, i kind of yearn for tombot to come in and fucking clean house. the mods we have are thoroughly and perhaps even too reasonable, and take an unreasonable amount of shit for it

― mookieproof, Monday, July 20, 2015 8:18 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

while i agree that giving a man who cldnt be a mcdonalds night manager without turning into hitler power over a board full of cranky opinionated ppl was an interesting experiment i feel like the results were conclusive enough that its prob not necessary to run it again

was a post deleted on this thread after joe's?

yup

butthurtness was a-happenin'

the post after mine was mostly a request to take down an earlier one which was also taken down and was admittedly p nasty and possibly slanderous

4-1 vote to remove the post

lol

imago, when a person takes a dump on your kitchen floor, do you ban him from the kitchen only, or from your whole house?

― Aimless, Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:04 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel a Roman Empire analogy will seal this thread

I was going to say "who needs lifeboats when your ship is an iceberg?" but even I don't know what the hell that means.

i like it tho

Thanks! Joe Walsh has dibs on it though for his next solo album.

ethics in messageboard journalism

lol at aimless writing a book abt how 77 is sacrosanct and how anyone violating it shd be shown no mercy then when it was pointed out as it has been many times in this thread already that the post in question was not on 77 hes all uh point still stands

you've offered nothing at all to a discussion of what the expectations of privacy for 77 ought to be, and yet manage to imply you occupy some superior position to mine. nice work.

don't be hurt aimless, lag∞n's crew had a rough week and he's just lashing out

wow ganged up on by team sanctimony xtremely unchill

poor you

just want to get this out of my system, carry on

Department meeting led off with a 20-minute discussion about Gawker. Ban both of these dudes.

intruding into pp irl ban worthy

Read the entire thread*

still don't really knows what 77 is*

goes back to ILB*

still don't really knows what 77 is*

77, in the context of ilxor.com, refers to a board that requires an extra permission to be set in order to obtain access. this is designed to keep out the web crawlers of search engines, so that content posted on 77 is not visible to anyone but the ilxors who post there.

it is a safe space too iirc

When you post to 77, the mods have access to a live video stream from your device. This way they can always keep an eye on who is posting.

It's one of the most secure places on Earth which is why it's used so often as a venue for secret meetings between heads of state.

G-77

^front account for like putin

listen i would like to clarify again for those who didn't read the thread in total, my post was on the I Love Hoops board, which is not private and not 77. the number of the hoops board is "68."

t/s: spaghetti hoops vs hula hoops (the snack) vs hula hoops (the gymnastics equipment) vs basketball vs qpr vs celtic

let me know off-board if you want to know who putin posts as on ilx

http://in-cyprus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/putin-shh.gif

don't do anything you'll regret

imago fp'd for putting us last

http://i.imgur.com/l3FsVFX.png

there have been a few times i've seen an article appear on gawker that had the same take on something in the zeitgeist as an ilx thread, usually shortly after the thread went there, but i guess i don't mind our own community fed back to me as much as i am irritated by articles that are churn from reddit or w/e

and let's be realistic, if someone took a shit on imago's floor he wouldn't ban them from the house, he would proclaim it a bold and interesting move

I'm also planning on having sex with some famous people and alluding to it on ilx every chance I get in the next six months, so it might be time to change my name, just in case

i've seen an article appear on gawker that had the same take on something in the zeitgeist as an ilx thread, usually shortly after the thread went there, but i guess i don't mind our own community fed back to me

Remember that one time ILX invented lolcats?

it was a bit more of a direct link than that, but yes, those were the days

and let's be realistic, if someone took a shit on imago's floor he wouldn't ban them from the house, he would proclaim it a bold and interesting move

― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

haha

jordan made me miss Mr Twin Sister's set at pfork this weekend so take that in to consideration when deciding wether to ban or not

If anything he should be applauded for that.

^^

you don't like twin sis??!