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ok can someone ban that fat bigot fuck jay blanchard?

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attacking various ilxors for being "spics" - i know ilx leans right now and it's a bit of topic du jour but uh surely crossing a line maybe right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

actually ban jay blanchard, he's a racist shithead.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), Today 4:52 PM. (gear) (later) (link)

I'll third this.

― Marmot 4-Tay: Hold these goddamn chickens! (marmotwolof), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

i am not various!

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Friday, 28 July 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it should be noted that he directly insulted chaki using the word.

― Marmot 4-Tay: Hold these goddamn chickens! (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

Dane Cook is the worst thing to ever happen to comedy.

― Marmot 4-Tay: Hold these goddamn chickens! (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

i say let him stay and contine to make an ass of himself. its only a matter of time before an employer or a potential date googles him and sees his disturbing picture and reads his blatent racism.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

or there was that thread where jay blanchard was bragging about how much he'd stolen from various jobs.

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

No ILX pages come up googling jay blanchard, it's the name of a Senator.

― Marmot 4-Tay: Hold these goddamn chickens! (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 791 from ilx.wh3rd.net for faggot. (0.03 seconds)

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

i stand in favor of the ban because he has no redeeming qualities to mitigate the clueless racism

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

except for his cluelessness, but that doesn't count

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

prospective dates and employers may also find the thread where he brags about being a child molester

― abuse of power comes as no surprise, Saturday, 29 July 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Dom OTM

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 July 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

let's ban everyone but him and then he'll feel really bad

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 29 July 2006 01:35 (nineteen years ago)

prospective dates and employers may also find the thread where he brags about being a child molester

qq?

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

joek

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 29 July 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

just about as funny as when he called chaki a 'spic'

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 29 July 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, and as an added precaution, why don't we get rid of all the fatties while we're at it, cuz contrary to popular belief, they're not jolly at all!

― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 29 July 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

how dare that nigger-loving slanty-eyed faggot call us spics

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Saturday, 29 July 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

I consider what Blanchard posted to be unacceptable, and his justification is obviously bullshit. I note that chaki has posted this, above:

say let him stay and contine to make an ass of himself. its only a matter of time before an employer or a potential date googles him and sees his disturbing picture and reads his blatent racism.

-- Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki.time@g

and as the slur was directed at chaki, I'm going on what he says, though my instinct is to ban the idiot.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

I will reiterate that the googling thing is a moot point, it's the name of a Senator and does not turn up any ILX pages. So, basically he can only continue to make an ass of himself to us. I agree chaki should have the final say, but in light of this.

― Marmot 4-Tay: I'll sip from his well without hesitation. (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

It's a fair point. Chaki has my email address & aim handle, if he changes his mind.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm uncomfortable with the notion of Chaki having the final say (no offence intended Chaki). If Jay Blanchard, or his equivalent, was to racially insult a black poster, my guess is he'd be banned pretty fucking quickly. Even if the poster on the receiving end of the insult said "let him stay". It's not just the guy being insulted that has a right to be offended.

Dunno, I think this sets a precedent here and we should maybe talk a bit more about it. I'm hugely, hugely uncomfortable with any situation in which someone uses a racial insult on ILX and gets away with it.

The fact that Jay Blanchard is an odious little shitbag who no one at all would miss if he were to suddenly disappear is neither here nor there.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 29 July 2006 09:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's not just the guy being insulted that has a right to be offended.

This is an excellent point, of course. The one thing I hadn't considered, and mea culpa here, this is I think because I've given extra weight to Chaki's viewpoint because as well as being the target of the slur, he's a long-term poster here who I also happen to like a lot. I actually got as far as typing one of the guy's ips (he comes in from a large number of different ones) into the box on the administer site page, before thinking about what Chaki had said...

So, uh, fuck it, I banned the racist dick from ile and ilm.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 791 from ilx.wh3rd.net for faggot. (0.03 seconds)

Dom, jed: Did you actually LOOK at the results of this search?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Saturday, 29 July 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

a tasty treat for all the family!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Saturday, 29 July 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

here's his myspace: http://www.myspace.com/solahfilms

he may actually be 147lbs..

― mark grebt (sanskrit), Saturday, 29 July 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

there's something about ilx and scarves:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/morf1.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3032/306825070lyz6.jpg

― mark grebt (sanskrit), Saturday, 29 July 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I consider what Blanchard posted to be unacceptable, and his justification is obviously bullshit.

Do you think what Chaki posted on that thread was acceptable? Does the fact that Jay was responding to Chaki's personal, bigoted, and unprovoked attack on him matter?

Are there other examples of Jay saying racist stuff?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 29 July 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't personal because jay's not a tubby. on the other hand, chaki IS mexican.

― gear (gear), Saturday, 29 July 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

see chaki told him he looked like a creepy internet dude or whatever, and it would have been even if jay had just said, 'well you look like a child molestor', but instead he tried to establish superiority by adding a nasty racist term. because while he might be a perv dude, at least he's white, right?

fuck him.

― gear (gear), Saturday, 29 July 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

He's gonna have to change his myspace interests:

Design, mograph, filmmaking (experimental &; narrative), playing weird music, watching foreign &; underground cinema, posting to ILX, drinking copious amounts of scotch with my cronies.

― Marmot 4-Tay: I'll sip from his well without hesitation. (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

i agree with causistry here i think. there are mitigating circumstances.

while it's unacceptable to post racist insults in ILX we should bear in mind that those getting riled up about it pretty much make their fun sitewide by abusing and victimising quite a large number of ILX posters.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 July 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

"some of those", i should say.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 July 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

cf. jed

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 29 July 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

ok maybe i was a dick posting the guys pic but the pic really disturbed the shit out of me. like it wouldnt leave my brian. the dead zombie eyes looking at me with no shirt on just freaked me the fuck out. then i realized this guy defending dane cook was the same scary pic dood, i just had to make the connection real. i dont think calling someone tubby is bad it was playful like the way david letterman calls people tubby. like i had NO intention of it becoming an actual real flamewar or anything. maybe i was out of line but he took it THERE. its not like i was calling him a fatty fat fatass or anything. tubby is pretty affectionate actually.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

cf. jed
-- j blount (jamesbloun...), July 29th, 2006. (papa la bas) (later)

cf. abuse directed at M Perpetua, Kate and Tuomas, among others.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair Kate does her own share of mudraking. Attacks on Tuomas mostly focus on him being a sex obsessed creep

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

yah jed you really picked the worst examples there.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen a bunch of people calling each other a lot of bad shit here - "fat junkie nutjob", "hurry up and die you walking abortion", "idiotic, obsessive shitheel" are some of the more memorable ones. I've hardly ever seen anyone revert to racial slurs, that's someting I doubt anyone wants to see become commonplace, or acceptable, or no big deal. Yeah I think Chaki was out of line on that thread, I think he way overreacted to what Blanchard originally posted, but Blanchard gave as good as he got - and this:

Dane Cook is the worst thing to ever happen to comedy.

isn't a problem, except that I do wish ppl would be so fucking bad-tempered all the time, otoh this:

Dane Cook is the worst thing to ever happen to comedy.

crosses the fucking line. It is NOT ok to toss around racial slurs here. It never has been.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

sorry everyone! dane cook really pisses me off!

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know what you mean by "worst", chaki. srsly.

Pashmina i agree with you that racial name calling is unacceptable but it's not (as you said) as if it's an isolated example of hatred/name calling on ILX. in fact there's a hell of alot of it.

― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

"the glare from the Pretentiousness Fairy that follows you to Steely Dan shows" was almost pretty good, but any trace of funny evaporated very quickly with his subsequent posts. Oh, and going after c's gf was bullshit too, wtf.

― Marmot 4-Tay: I'll sip from his well without hesitation. (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

hey im a genuine 100% dan fan for life

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget to ban him and his "production company" solahfilms from I Love Film.

― mark grebt (sanskrit), Saturday, 29 July 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Me too! I just liked the idea of a Pretentiousness/Prejudice Fairy.
x-post

― Marmot 4-Tay: I'll sip from his well without hesitation. (marmotwolof), Saturday, 29 July 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I must admit, Jed, the way people get all heated and bad-tempered about stuff here sometimes, and the way ppl dogpile on this or that poster really gets me down. I guess a lot of ppl must like it that way, otherwise they wouldn't participate in it (and plenty of ppl do, even if only some of the time) or they'd complain about it more often, or everyone would fukc off somewhere else and the place would become a desert, like T-G-S board did last year, but I really don't understand why ppl would spend valuable minutes of their life, that they'll never get back, feeling angry w/the computer!

OK, I'm pretty loaded now, so I'm going to log off. Back on Monday.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 29 July 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

never heard of this guy

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

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POINT AND LAUGH BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU
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I'M FROM THE SOUTH SO I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO ANYTHING RESMBLING RACISM
ALSO BECAUSE I AM FROM THE SOUTH I HAVE A SPECIAL RACISM RADAR THAT "YALL" DO NOT
THEREFORE I AM THE AUTHORITY AND MY OPINION IS UNIMPEACHABLE
I CAN BE AN ASSHOLE TO ANYONE I LIKE BUT I AM THE FIRST IN LINE WHEN SOMEONE CROSSES THE PC LINE

POINT AND LAUGH
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HOORAY FOR OUR NEW ENEMY
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― haha (ha ha), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

"leans right"
youre such a fucking asshole

― haha (ha ha), Saturday, 29 July 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

hey no one said im not a huge asshole too.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

oh yr talking about blount. god im slow.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Saturday, 29 July 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 29 July 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

(I'm still waiting to see if Jed actually looked at those search results before getting on his soapbox because 90% of the ones that aren't decrying the use of the word faggot are made by posters on I Rate Everything and Ask A Drunk who never post to ILE or ILM, which kind of undercuts his argument.)

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Man what is with those all-caps Descendents lyrics up there?

Speaking as someone who decided to take an extended break from ILx in part due to some fucked up and stalkerish racist bullshit I can sympathize here, and it kind of weirds me out the extent people will go to express dissatisfaction with someone else's opinion; someone got called "spic" due to a discussion about some dude who makes money yelling "PICKLES" and calling it comedy and that's the internet for you I guess.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Sunday, 30 July 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

eh, what soapbox?

i didn't look & don't need to because i've read it enough on ILX to know that it's not always used in jest. dom made a useful rhetorical point in his post and thought it was OTM, hence my gettin on my SOAPBOX to post

"dom otm"

which hardly amounts to an argument i know, so please don't patronise me.

xpost

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 July 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

it's not like he can't just make another account

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

the ball is totally in his court

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 30 July 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

jed, you might want to look. Seriously.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

the same time chaki is justifying himself here, he's lowering the bar over there. very noise.

― but your fatal mistake was insulting my girl, Sunday, 30 July 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

i talk like that.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

you anonymous, shitbag, twat trash, coward dick.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is it jay? Is it jay? That's what they say. Every single day in L.A.

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, i had a look :-O

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38744000/jpg/_38744375_doody300.jpg

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 July 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

There's a very simple rule of thumb here which is don't say anything to anyone on the internet you wouldn't say to their face in case they give you a really good kicking.

I mean, of course Jed has a point here but he's not really doing himself any favours by pointing out the completely bleeding obvious. WE KNOW people behave like fucking dicks on here and have done so pretty much since day one (some of the nastiest, most personal, most threatening flaming occurred in like 2001). Short of banning everyone who's ever made a personal attack on anyone what do expect us to do about it? It's just making a point for the sake of making a point.

The point I'm trying to make here is that yeah there are all sorts of gredations of nastiness here but that's frankly not the mods' problem, because there's nothing we can actually act upon. But "you racially insult another poster, you get banned" is a pretty solid guidline and not one I can imagine many people arguing with. I would say exactly the same thing about someone calling a gay poster a faggot or similar (which to my knowledge has never happened).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, Matt.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Sunday, 30 July 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not trolling here, because I'm not fiending for mod board drama right now, but is it that the term "spic" was used at a specific ILX member, or that it was used full stop? If someone on that thread had called Carlos Mencia a spic, would they have got blown as well?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 30 July 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

Dom Passantino with the amicus curiae action!

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Sunday, 30 July 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

my argument is actually not based on people calling anyone faggots although it's interesting that you think it is! Matt, sometimes the obvious is worth pointing out.


this is apposite:

I CAN BE AN ASSHOLE TO ANYONE I LIKE BUT I AM THE FIRST IN LINE WHEN SOMEONE CROSSES THE PC LINE

in that those who are doing the most shouting about it are those who act the most dickish towards other posters in general.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 30 July 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

That may be the case but they're not the most racist are they? Hurling a racial epithet at someone is hardly "crossing the PC line", especially given all the connotations that phrase invokes.

There's an ocean of difference here, why are we even having this discussion ffs?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 30 July 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i figure it's like the workplace. where it's one thing to be a jerk, it's another thing to be a bigot who uses racist slurs.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 30 July 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

blount, when did ILX start leaning right, anyway? or are you just referring to the Isrl/Hzb/Lbn stuff?

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 31 July 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

o god i haven't even looked at those threads! i blame the nyc 05 mayoral election + transit strike. there's as many if not more vocal republicans/"libertarians" on ilx now as there are democrats (ie. about 5).

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't really noticed either, although I don't really look at US politics threads and the British contingent is still pretty solidly lefty (at least in the comfortable middle-class sense of the word).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 31 July 2006 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

i still think we should've banned Dan for calling Ethan 'white boy' ;P

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

it's true tho i can't remember an ILXer who actually was gay getting homophobic abuse as opposed to all the straight gays who get called 'fags' or 'gay as in lame' constantly.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 31 July 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

all the straight gays

― -- (688), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Carry the days

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

all the fat skinny people

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

especially given all the connotations that phrase invokes.

So, what, are we deaf to the connotations that a word like "tubby" invokes, or just ignoring them because of the roffles?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

how about because it doesn't invoke much at all?

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Monday, 31 July 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Uh...

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

ts: kirstie alley vs. cesar chavez

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

ok fine ban be for calling someone tubby like chris p wants.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://kcou.mu.org/king_tubby.jpg

― gear (gear), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

i still think we should've banned Dan for calling Ethan 'white boy' ;P

I have to admit that I would have laughed!

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Fat babies got no pride.

― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 31 July 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not calling for anyone to be banned.

I think it's bizarre that suddenly ILX has decided it's going to be a "hate-free zone", but only for this one particular kind of hate.

Anyway I assume the mods have gone in and edited the post that is so offensive that it lead to someone being banned without warning.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think I've found valuable or likable maybe 2 things this dude ever posted, at best. But I don't see why an epithet is banworthy when volumes of other sorts of abusive behavior are not.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

ts: fatty solidarity vs. party hackery

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'd love to see if you guys would rise to his defense if a black poster had called this self-proclaimed 147 lb skinny guy "tubby" and the skinny guy was so offended by the inaccurate representation that he'd responded with the n-word.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i guess i see your point overall but i think you're defending the wrong guy

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, i'm fine with banning the dude for lameness. timmy tannin too.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

better check with the DLC first, just to be sure

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

i always get timmy tannin and thomas tallis mixed up

― heavyweight grebt (sanskrit), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not the beloved (by some) strummy troubadour of family dysfunction

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:40 (nineteen years ago)

oh, by the way, that party hackery comment wasn't directed at you gabbneb, but feel free to hate anyway.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's bizarre that suddenly ILX has decided it's going to be a "hate-free zone, but only for this one particular kind of hate."

Did you actually read this thread before posting that? Does it look like we've suddenly decided that racially abusing another poster is ban-worthy? It's been so SINCE DAY ONE and the only reason people haven't noticed it before is because it's never happened before. The exact same would be true of homophobic insults hurled at a gay poster. This isn't exactly rocket science.

In any case, it's not Blount and Chaki who are formulating mod policy here. You might notice we actually went AGAINST what Chaki said.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

Still, if you want to go on pretending that 'tubby' is as offensive as 'spic' for the sake of making a point then be my guest.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

Gear, I suspect if Chaki used the n-word during a personal attack on someone, he would not be banned.

Especially if it was to a poster who had picked a name-calling fight with him for no good reason.

xpost!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect if Chaki used the n-word during a personal attack on someone, he would not be banned

Nonsense.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

chris, are you serious? thats bullshit.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

wow. i can't believe you actually used that argument. just... wow.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've spent too much time working on a response, which I don't think anyone is going to agree with anyways. So fuck it. I don't go around insulting people, at least not in that fashion, so none of this really applies to me, right?

Chaki, I don't think you'd use the n-word, but I also do think if you did people would assume you were having a bad day or something. I might be wrong about this. I suspect it'll never happen and we'll never know. I hope it'll never happen, etc., etc.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think a long term poster gets consideration that a n00b doesn't, but I couldn't imagine letting a unrepentent racist post.

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

are you a ricer?
-- Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (jonathan.williams@geeMaleDotCom), (ex machina)

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha PWNED

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

comically overrated by white boys

if i may be so bold: are you white?

-- Roughage Crew

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it IS comically overrated by white boys though!
-- The Lex


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if you're white (and a boy), i don't think you get to call people 'white boys'.
-- Roughage Crew

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Lex is a ricer though so it's OK.
-- Dom Passantino

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What the fuck is a ricer? A Chinaman?
-- Mr. Snrub

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think a long term poster gets consideration that a n00b doesn't, but I couldn't imagine letting a unrepentent racist post.

Although, of course, Jay has been posting for years and apologized in that thread before he got banned. (Admittedly it was not the greatest apology ever.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Exactly what are you championing here, Chris?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Racism, duh.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

HEART

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

whoops, wrong thread lolllll

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

RICER DEFINED?!?!?!?!?!?!?

the fuck any of that has to do with racial slurs I'm at a loss to grok here folks

i think people are misremembering lots of instances of hate speech on this board and the way they were directed.

lots of people get attacked on ILX for their ideas and the way they express themselves, which is CAN'T TAKE HEAT GET OUT KITCHEN common sense sort of junk, and a lot of it escalates to schoolyard namecalling and accusations of being bald, fat, virginal, pasty, addicted to nachos or cocaine or having gonorrhea of the forehead etcetera ALL OF WHICH IS ABSURD because a. we all actually ARE fat bald virgins with STDs and crack habits or we wouldn't be on the internet hanging out with each other all the goddamned time.

HOWEVER aside from the aforementioned wellness issues we all share together somebody who is stupid and hateful enough to lose their mind and let fly with a racial slur targeted at someone with malice and intent to insult purely based on their ethnicity is above and beyond. It implies a disrespect that goes well beyond the bounds of the usual immature schoolyard back-and-forth and into the realm of adult prejudice and thorough ignorance of, i dunno, fucking everything.

Chris the main problem with your point is that everybody can read what went down and basically Chaki shoved the guy from behind but then duder shanked Chaki in the leg. Not self-defense.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

OTFM

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Gear, I suspect if Chaki used the n-word during a personal attack on someone, he would not be banned.

Especially if it was to a poster who had picked a name-calling fight with him for no good reason.

xpost!

-- Casuistry (chri...) (webmail), August 1st, 2006 1:31 AM. (later)

that wasn't my point at all, really!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Does it look like we've suddenly decided that racially abusing another poster is ban-worthy? It's been so SINCE DAY ONE and the only reason people haven't noticed it before is because it's never happened before.

FWIW a small number of individuals in the past have been banned/had posts deleted by moderators for racist abuse. Examples I can remember are the "n****r with no life/job [etc]" troll, who got quickly IP banned both by me, and I think by Teeny, also I banned the individual who repeatedly posted all that antisemitic nazi garbage on one of momus' threads, there's probably a couple at least more somewhere in the mod log.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I banned the individual who repeatedly posted all that antisemitic nazi garbage on one of momus' threads

There's a joke in there somewhere, I just can't find it.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

forest for the trees there i think

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Gonnorhea of the forehead!!!!! :D

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

if you're white (and a boy), i don't think you get to call people 'white boys'.
-- Roughage Crew

Enrique's finest moment, I think.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

That "Ricer" urban dictionary link Tom posted is pretty funny, & worth reading. I especially liked the term "fart pipe" or "fart cannons" For the widened exhaust tailpipe/s.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

# Ban Louis Jagger (143 new answers)
# ok can someone ban that fat bigot fuck jay blanchard? (121 new answers)


Indie music worse than racism, official.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

I can't quite get my head round how any of the above definitions of 'ricer' fit into that Dom/Lex/Enrique exchange.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

just make sure you're attacking a nobody, and not a beloved ILXor:

"Party Monster"!

"The story of rave outlaw Disco Donnie" is pretty dreadful but kind of realistic (unfortunately)

Somebody should make a movie out of Kureishi's "The black album" - that could be ace.

-- Jacob (jwrigh...) (webmail), September 19th, 2005 2:37 AM. (Jacob) (link)


rave movies are for faggots

raves are for faggots

you are a faggot

-- ESTEBAN BUTTEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (estebanbuttezforeve...) (webmail), September 19th, 2005 2:46 AM. (link)

― O RLY, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

jay, i think esteban is still around because he can't be banned, if i'm not mistaken.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

is it just me, or is "ricer" an obvious slur against east asians. you know - they eat a lot of rice i'm guessing is the origin. just because the urban dict. doesn't give it their "official" stamp doesn't mean it's not a slur, albeit maybe just a local or personalized one. i've never heard it, but it seemed clear in the context of the exchange, and correct me if i'm wrong, but the Lex looks at least part-asian from the wdyll threads (or maybe that's wrong of me to imply that?)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

are you really trying to argue this at this point? what the fuck is your problem. ricer refers to a car culture. god you're dumb.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

I can't quite get my head round how any of the above definitions of 'ricer' fit into that Dom/Lex/Enrique exchange.
-- Matt DC (runmd...), August 1st, 2006. (Matt DC)

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

MAYBE LEX LIKES FAST CARS

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

i can read chaki, my point being that the car-related definitions make no sense in the context of that exchange - so i was guessing at another possible meaning. also, i think dom is using the term "ironically" so it's not really being used as a slur(but that is always dangerous ground). other people were asking "wtf with the ricer thing?" and i was just saying how it reads to me. of course, this may be some ilx meme that i don't know about. also, i don't know if the term ricer(the crappy souped up car meaning) even exists in the UK - others can answer that.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

DOM IS AN IDIOT.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

the car-related definitions make no sense in the context of that exchange

They don't make sense in the context of actually knowing the Lex either. Unless he's some sort of boy racer on the sly.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

(NB - "boy racer" is not a homophobic slur)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

I can't quite get my head round how any of the above definitions of 'ricer' fit into that Dom/Lex/Enrique exchange.
-- Matt DC (runmd...), August 1st, 2006.

MAYBE LEX LIKES FAST CARS
-- Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki.tim...), August 2nd, 2006.

the car-related definitions make no sense in the context of that exchange
They don't make sense in the context of actually knowing the Lex either. Unless he's some sort of boy racer on the sly.

-- Matt DC (runmd...), August 2nd, 2006.

HEY LOOK I DONE THIS JOEK LAST WEEKS:

Lex is a ricer though so it's OK.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), July 28th, 2006.


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What the fuck is a ricer? A Chinaman?
-- Mr. Snrub (mistersnru...), July 28th, 2006.


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what does he drive?
xpost

-- Roughage Crew (miltonpinsk...), July 28th, 2006.


― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Buttez has been banned numerous times. It isn't particularly difficult for a determined individual to circumvent a ban.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

riiight, esteban is the only guy who's said 'fag[got]' on ilx.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

he's just a dumb troll rather than actually offensive (i.e. poor man's calum)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

esteban isn't *that* much of a troll.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

also ROFL at idea of Buttez as 'beloved ILXor'

i might've locked him from that thread for the 'faggot' comment had i seen it at the time.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

also, 'chinaman' is not the preferred nomenclature.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

You goth homos can talk about The Cure all you want, as long as it keeps Ned from creaming his panties over My Bloody Valentine.

-- Marshall Stax (MrMarshallSta...), August 2nd, 2006 11:24 AM. (Marshall Stax)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

i was going to excelsior that.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

are you a ricer?
-- Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (jonathan.williams@geeMaleDotCom), (ex machina)

― faggot, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

OK seriously how many times does the whole "multiple, some non-racist connotations of ricer" have to be explained?

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

OK I've had enough. Who here is a ricer, hands up. UP!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I wondered why Snrub wasn't banned for that, actually.

Can I be a mod again?

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

What in the holy hell are you people not getting about "JAY CALLED CHAKI A SPIC. THIS IS WRONG AND JAY GOT BANNED FOR IT" are you all not getting? Do none of you understand contexts at all? Pulling out random single quotes from various threads where various ILXors used a potentially offensive word isn't helpful or useful or proving any kind of point. I believe you can find several threads on this board where I've called myself a "mick spic"! Plz to ban me! I'd be willing to bet that Jon's comment is in reference to a non-race specific car culture (which is 100% the normal usage in America, racist undertones or not; if someone used the term "ricer" in the US to actually refer to an Asian who is not part of that culture, they'd probably, at best, be looked at funny), plz to ban him! As already noted, Esteban HAS been banned before because of stuff like the example above and has gotten locked out of threads for it so what point is being made?

I seriously am not understanding why this is a this-many-posts thread besides people love to make up really, really idiotic reasons to get into some kind of war around here. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SPIC AND TUBBY. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN USING THE TERM RICER TO REFERENCE CAR CULTURE AND USING IT TO REFERENCE ASIANS (THOUGH I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE DO THIS, IF THAT IS WHAT DOM IS DOING THAT'S A LITTLE FUCKING WEIRD?). ETC ETC. I can't imagine you all just love jay blanchard this much, I mean I wasn't aware anyone cared either way about him, so it's not that.

The idea that people, regardless of their "stature" on ILX, wouldn't get banned for the exact same behavior is unbelievable to me and I'm kind of dumbfounded a single one of you subscribe to it. You're lucky that I'm not a mod because I'd ban everyone calling jay's ban unfair right along with him.

XPOSTS ME! I AM A RICER!

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, everyone is correct, in that exchange above there is actually no indication that Dom isn't the first person in the history of my life that I have seen use the term "ricer" as an asian slur, he's clearly not talking about car culture in that post.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

When I read or hear the word 'Chinaman' I think of Devo's 'We're All Devo! (Booji Boy & General Boy mix)' so it's hard to get too riled by it.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

dom was being edgy.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

lex can't even ride a bike, so i doubt he's a ricer.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

dudes my grammar went to shit in that post but I think you see what I am getting at here.

I DO think there is a difference between Dom (or someone else) ironically using a word like that in a friendly fashion towards someone he knows versus someone getting raging angry and calling another poster by a racial slur but I do understand the arguments about a slippery slope in that particular instance.

Lex should, however, totally rice up his public transportation now, to honor this thread.

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Bendy_Bus_Aug04.jpg/300px-Bendy_Bus_Aug04.jpg

imagine the possibilities

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Lex should accuse Dom of being in the mafia and having a hairy momma and then all will be square.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Westwood should def. pimp da bendy, but not before the Routemaster.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

achewood is hilarious today if only for the fact that apparently Pat's last name is Reynolds and his father's name is Simon and I got really confused for a moment

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Shame we can't pimp Lex's bike, because he doesn't ride one :(

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

are you a ricer?
-- Reviewer: Sir Potomus (Washington, DC) - See all my reviews (jonathan.williams@geeMaleDotCom), (ex machina)

― fagtog, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

done already, stupid

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Controversy Sells: ENEMY LIST part two!

― fagtog, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I TRED TO PUT CHUCKY IN DERE BUT DEY BAND ME SOO I PUTD CHUCKY IN HARE OKAEYS: CHUCKY

― fagtog, Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

you anonymous piece of shit. why are you so scared to attack jw as your regular logged in name? pussy.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure its just noodles and then he edited the ip in the db

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

whoever it is sure does have a hard on for you even after being proven wrong about 50 times in one thread.

― Supercalifragilisticexpiala Brosius (chaki), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Chucky?

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cineastentreff.de/teleschau/200545/5/200545_160651_2_006.jpg

I do like that Marshall Stax line above.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

When I read or hear the word 'Chinaman' I think of Devo's 'We're All Devo! (Booji Boy & General Boy mix)' so it's hard to get too riled by it.

Just makes me think of a slow left arm bowler in cricket.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Why's so much attention placed on Dom re: ricer while Snrub has elicited only one critical comment with "Chinaman"? Steve: perhaps the innocuousness of the "Chinaman" for you is a cultural UK/US thing -- I remember recently flipping through the channels and landing on PBS which was airing some Dame Judi Dench sitcom where one of the characters casually used that word.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

my guess is people took into account snrub's well known idiocy with the degree to which the term 'chinaman's offensiveness is known (cf. 'oriental', 'celestial') whereas 'ricer' has never to my knowledge been a polite society term for 'asian' (there is some disagreement over whether it is a term for 'asian' at all). had snrub said 'gook', 'slant', 'nip', etc. i would imagine even he wouldn't have been afforded such presumption of innocence/ignorance.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

my dad doesn't have a mean bone in his body, but he suffers from old-timey racism, perhaps from growing up in an irish enclave in the bronx.

once my mom almost ran over this kid and he screamed "christ! you almost killed that chinaboy!"

i was both touched and mortified.

― heavyweight grebt (sanskrit), Thursday, 3 August 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

ME JAPANESE BOY, I LOVE YOU

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 3 August 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

What is your deal?

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

That could be an entire thread!

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh see I just asked you on that thread if I inspired you, I should've just looked here first!

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Thursday, 3 August 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

ban Bacharach/David
xpost

― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 3 August 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

PASH LOCK THIS TOO PLEASE

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 3 August 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Number 2 result, baby

― Marmot 4-Tay: The root cause of dragon hatred among power metal bands. (marmotwo, Friday, 4 August 2006 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

IN STONE

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

spic n span!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Monday, 7 August 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

CHUCKY
JW
ALLYE

― FAGTOG, Monday, 7 August 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)


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