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Interesting, but kinda meh. If you skate over to Yahoo!, you can watch the first episode WITHOUT COMMERCIALS as part of their Fall TV Preview Hoedown. Super-compressed what-if Rising-Stars / The-4400 type of stuff w/ not much to offer besides some grousing and Drama (TM). I guess you don't need character development if you can fly / have a split personality / can see the future. Tho folks might get a kick out of the cheerleader that likes to hurt herself. And the bits w/ the Japanese time-traveler are by far the best of the episode.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

How many episodes 'til Stan Lee kicks out the Japanese time-traveler, though?

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

In case others of you thought that you'd missed it, Heroes shows on Mondays 9pm on NBS -- right before Studio 60 -- and it premieres this Monday.

xpost LOFFLES

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

He'd totally give the Indian geneticist dude das boot first.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry this is slightly unrelated, but I just got handed a nice-sized DVD voucher for a leaving present at my job, and was thinking of dropping it on something geeky. Any TV recommends? Is B.Galactica any good? Are there any good Diniverse sets? (N.B. Also carry on talking about Heroes.)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I love Bagelstar Galaga a whole helluva lot, but my constant recommendation right now as far as TV goes is the HBO cops n robbers show "The Wire." It doesn't need saving anymore, cause it just got a fifth and final season pre-approved even before the fourth season is half over, but it's still funnier than 99% of the sitcoms, sexier than 99% of the jiggle shows, more exciting than 99% of the action TV, and smarter than 99% of the news reporting you get on the tube.

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It's actually the existence of excellent serial genre tv like "Sopranos" "Deadwood" "BG" and of course "The Wire" that's about the only thing that gives me hope "Heroes" won't stink on ice. The rules are still enough different for network and cable shows that it may not be able to break the strictures of a such a commercial medium, but hell - the Diniverse didn't transcend nothing, and it got to be pretty great by focussing on fundamentals. Heroes looks more like it's trying to be a "fresh new" take on superheroes for people that never actually read comics and don't realize that the concepts they're selling are getting to be an alternate set of cliches away from the underwear-on-the-outside set of cliches, though.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was just going to start a thread on this, having watched the pilot tonight.

I kind of liked it, and the interview with the writers yesterday (today?) on CBR gives me a lot of hope, they're going to "learn from the X-Files" and not put too much mythology behind it, y'know, that some bits of the plot just are the way they are and you have to accept it.

You all know Sale and Loeb are behind the scenes on this one, right?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

CHUCK:

can't go wrong with the wire which rules but i'd say go for battlestar (maybe just because this is ilc). get the miniseries + first season box, it'll blow your dome.

ps you in TO this wknd? i'm back

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

I've got the Netflix now and am interested in this Rattlestar Galactacus. Does the miniseries go first in what I assume is the series' continuity?

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and if you're interested in high-camp melodrama, Project Runway.

c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

VERY VERY VERY XPOST
Oh, and if you're interested in high-camp melodrama, Project Runway.

AW HELL YEAH

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 22 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

p.s. Yep, in town.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, Emoticon in Profile, if you wish to watch BG, start with the miniseries.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Friday, 22 September 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Did Yahoo take the Heroes pilot down?

c('°c) (Leee), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah miniseries leads pretty much directly into regular series. you must watch it first.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT HEROES.

Japanese dude = awesome.
Heroin dude = not awesome.
Cheerleader girl = I am intrigued to know why she is so into hurting herself (if there's a good reason and not just TEENAGE MASOCHISM IS HOTTTT)
Camgirl = BEST POWER.
Indian guy = REALLY HOT.
Guy who thought he could fly but probably just has psychic link to brother so his "I think I can fly" was actually "my brother can fly" = to quote my roommate, "That's a pretty shitty power. Especially going from 'maybe I can fly' to 'oh my brother is hungry'."

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I like the otaku sarariman, too. And indestructable cheerleader's wierdo mom. The rest of them I have not yet found a reason to give a shit about.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

The Japanese chap and cheerleader lady were the only points of interest. Pretty much anything to do with the mirror webcam girl was completely awful. And I was really hoping they'd let Jess Mariano splat all over the place at the very end. I've got pretty lucid dreams, too, but I don't just assume I'm actually Thor because of them. I'm surprised more shows haven't gone the Oz route of killing off who is ostensibly the main character at the end of the first episode.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think Leonard is right that removing the Lou Costello to Hiro Otaku's Bud Abbott is a big mistake.

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

This was just the pilot shown 'properly', right?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

I really liked this. Final Destination Girl freaked me the fuck out; I now look at mirrors askance. Indestructable Cheerleader had me until her last "oh look, I'm indestructible!" scene, at which point I said "OK WRITERS".

Studio 60 is about a million times better.

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Comparing this to Studio 60 is like comparing the 52 cabal to John Cassaday.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Trash compacter + regenerative hand = EWWW DIDN'T NEED TO SEE THAT.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Emo dork + vague superpowers + skeptics + romantic subplot = TEDIOUS WHINING.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Japanese dood + YATTA! = Hilarity.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else still onboard? I'm off.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

You crazy. 2nd episode was a LOT stronger than the 1st. Vague character development = wheeee!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

In a FICTIONAL world that has a cheerleader KILLING HERSELF with no ill effects, I'm bothered by the show's lapses in logic, like floppy-hair Indian guy talking openly about Papa Shuresh's MASTER PLANS with just-met shorty-hair waif after he just scared off big bruiser who was bugging the house.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

But she knew his dad! She cooked him food! Come on!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, slight better last night. But Ali Larter's creepy murdering reflection produced a car, put bodies in the trunk, and drew a map to and placed a shovel at a secluded spot in the desert, but didn't dig the damn hole, too? That creepy murdering reflection is an asshole.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, then how about how the first thing Hiro (GEDDIT???) does at a murder scene is PICK UP THE GUN? Not that it matters, hello second-episode reset button.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Um, he watches too many TV shows / horror flicks & wanted to defend himself & his Tim Sale comic?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Also: was that supposed to be an unfinished comic book in progress that Hiro looked at before noticing the brainless man? There were like three panels at the top of an otherwise blank page. It was already stapled together like a finished comic. Do they want us to think that artists draw directly onto previously assembled magazines? That's how I thought it worked when I was five.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

What does one call the superpower that produces an asshole creepy murdering reflection? I kinda want that superpower, but I don't if I can't figure out how to explain it succinctly.

(show 2 was meh-plus, compared to show-one's meh).

J (Jay), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'll have what Dave's having! (Optimism pills?)

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

all I want to know: WHAT IS MURDERY DUDE DOING WITH THE BRANEZ?

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

this show's pretty bad!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with McChump's review. Last week was pretty bad, this week is nearly mediocre.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

THIS WEEK IS GOOD!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. I think I'm fucking hooked.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

i am also watching this show and i am also hooked now. like i needed another tv show to be hooked on... hi, comix board

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

HELLO, RRROBYN, THE SITUATION.

This episode was light-years better than the first two. DAMMIT. </jackbauer>

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

That's because Jeph Loeb wrote it.

I dunno, though. I still think we could do with about half as many characters. Certain scenes bothered me enough that I might be giving up on it.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Last night I devoted maybe 60% of my attention to it, and wound up enjoying it more than the first two. Portentous Indian guy is still a drag, and I don't care a whit for the single mom, so I pretty much tune out whenever they're on screen. Which doesn't bode well for my long-range comprehension of whatever the hell is going on.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Last night I devoted maybe 60% of my attention to it

Ditto likewise.

Hiro & Sidekick are a hoot; the Agent Sean arc has creepy legs, potential telepathic roffles, and potential rebound love-interest cute FBI lady with power-haircut.

Suresh is only interesting to watch Waifgirl fail at emoting. Mirror Mom is, like, whatevs, she should go back to being accused of killing her husband in Legally Blonde. Flying Hovering Emo CIF should be renamed Turd Ferguson, but skeevy politico bro, after getting punched out, "Good man!" + thumbs up = awesomes.

Also, I'm very very very glad that Indestructible Cheerleader continues to have her body mangled in increasingly grotesque and stomach-churning ways so that I can puke right before Studio 60.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

This episode was bluddy graet, especially when Indestructible Cheerleader woke up sans internal organs. I don't think I've seen that since Ring:Spiral.

Since nobody else has said it, I will - the Black Guy that Psychic Cop Guy couldn't mind-read in the bar was wearing the same sigil round his neck as was scrawled on the photos that Indian Guy (with an annoyingly British accent for someone who's supposedly never left India) found attached to the map in the back room of the apartment belonging to Serial Killer Head-Choppy-Offy Guy.

See? Those weeks watching Lost paid off.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 05:26 (nineteen years ago)

That sigil is everywhere: on cheerleader's geometry text, scrolling by in the algorithm on Mohinder's laptop, on his dad's book jacket... there were certainly other instances as well, in this and the previous episodes.

Best episode yet, agreed.

Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

See? Those weeks watching Lost paid off.

More payoff than watching Lost itself.

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

SAVE IT SHEMP

This was the best so far, but damn I wish the corny shit would just stop. OH NO QB is a wannabe rapist! OH NO secret room of stuff is now empty! OH NO Milo V is a Saddle Creek street teamer! God bless The Politician, The Cheerleader, & I DID IT!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

やった!!!

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I can post about this show HERE too! Okay so it seems DESATINY is leading Hiro & partner to Jekyl/Hyde MILF, that will be good. Poor Claire, wtf!?! You just KNOW that when these guys eventually get together and use their powers towards stopping the big boom that hoverboy and indestructogirl are going to be an item, which kind of sucks, but it will leave Hiro (the real star of this show IMO) to his DESTINY ie saving New York.

got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

ohnoes, i missed the first 5 minutes so i didn't get to see how cheerleader put all her insides back in again! :( did they show it??

Hiro is totally the star!
(i am glad ncklcious is on board for this show (too))

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Hiro RULES.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

He rules when he's otakuriffic. When he showed up at the end of the episode all Wesley Sniped out I felt my heart sink.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

the future makes people matrixed-out and hott! that is what the future does!

haha, wesley sniped out is also good

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

i mean the term, not nec the action. i am already missing former-hiro :(

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

"In the future, we all have unfortunate facial hair."

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda liked future-Hiro. I don't believe this makes me lame.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, it's the other way around. Being lame makes you like future Hiro.

(this is a joek)

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

i like them both :/

OKAY, so Hiro can stop time but it doesn't affect other heroes? or it doesn't affect the people he chooses it not to affect? i wonder...

i'm kind of surprised claire crashed the car - she's more serious/brutal than i thought.

another interesting thing: it's not only about the powers they have but the conditions of these powers and the control or lack of that the heroes have. i suppose this is a bit of a theme in many superhero comics though, isn't it? it speaks to the psychological make-up of the individuals though, their struggle, etc., which is really one of the most interesting aspects of superhero comics, i find.

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

I read that as Nurse-man absorbing Hiro's power.

I like the Cheerleader storyline, too, but still worry that it'll get a little too afterschool specially.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

Also, nomoremusicalmontageskthxbye!

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

according to wikipedia, hoverboy is TWICE THE AGE of cheervarine.

the whole rape thing continues to bother me.

I actually haven't watched the ep yet, maybe tomorrow.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention again, or maybe I've quit fighting, but either way, this episode had the least amount of suck of any yet. It was actually pretty good all the way through. I didn't feel bad about watching it, like I have the previous installments. Of course I missed the first four minutes, and thus didn't have to deal with the ponderous narration dragging everything down right from the start. I think I'll have to make a habit of that.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

GM, you're on the money. Minimizing the presence of Mr. Scientist Dude (who almost had a corny "I quit!" moment happen) and his Walmart Amelie friend helped much. Also, cheerbabe getting REVENGE! Also, RAINHIRO! Also, ONE PUNCH! Also, DAYS OF FUTURE HIRO!

And, for the record:
- hoverbro: 29
- loganeer: 17

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

Seems like they have this season mapped out pretty well, what with the n-bomb & "save the cheerleader / save the world" foreshadowing.

Agree with everyone that this keeps getting better, now that they're working past introductions and more towards assembling the team.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Please note: SIGIL TATTOO ON PSYCHO MOM'S BACK (as she sings Happy Birthday to Mr. Congressman)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else reckon Mr Psycho is eating their brains so he might gain their powers? I don't know if this is a scientifically proven technique... Sorry if anyone already posted that, but I scrolled down the last bit cos I havent seen #4 yet.

Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Worst soul patch ever.

Also, why does every post-nuclear fallout wardrobe require leather?

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Worst soul patch ever.

WRONG

http://www.wearethepostmen.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/spiezio.jpg

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, that SYMBOL, that Isaac painted, that turned up "in the code"* to Prof Suresh's genetic mutation world map dealie, that was drawn on Claire's schoolbook, that was on black anti-mind-reading guy's necklace, etc.

*I love how "code" is always rapidly moving sets of green symbols on black backgrounds in tv/movies anymore (the Matrix effect)

got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't there a character in Wild Cards that had the "brain eating / absorb knowledge" ability?

Also, why does every post-nuclear fallout wardrobe require leather?

Have to do something with the cows, after all the grass dies.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

it's the total apocolyptic cowboy thing: this coat and these boots'll serve me the rest of my life... however long that lasts. --squints into the noon-day sun--

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

I did lol when Hiro-kick persuaded HERO to use his powers for the good of money BECAUSE PETER PARKER DOESN'T CHEAT WHEN HE SELLS JJJ PICS OF SPIDERMENACE!

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

I forgot to watch this tonight - now he question is do I care enough to download. After last week's comedown I'm inclined against it.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

DOWNLOAD IT IT WAS AWESOME

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, but if it sucks you owe me, uh...shit I dunno. Hiro giving me the 40 minutes back I guess.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

this ep was pretty good! there was superfast flying! and more japanese patter btwn hiro and friend. but you may want to punch emo-hair guy in the face. still feels like this show has a lot of potential for mystery and entertainment and tv cheesiness (in a good way.)

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Dan P OTM. I think (hope) we've seen the last of Neo-Hiro, who was only a post-apocalyptic plot device. I'm actually starting to enjoy the Nathan Petrelli character, and seeing Emo-Petrelli finally figure out what his power is was sorta cool even if the rest of him wasn't.

The show is on a steady upward tick, which is actually kind of shocking. I don't think it can last more than a season in the current form, since once they all meet each other and save the world then what? They put on costumes and stop bank heists?*

*this would be cool

J (Jay), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't paying too much attention to some of the previous episodes so was it ever stated or hinted it at that the cheerleader's father knew she was developing powers?

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, on the cheerleader's father. He's the one who found the tape of
her multiple suicide attempts. She's also adopted, so likely he knew of her potential at birth (or whenever she was adopted).

The flying effect was great. Coolness goosebumps at that puff of air when Petrelli accelerated, and when Peter Petrelli connected with Hiro at the end. This show's getting better every week.

Fun to see the different predictions above play out, i.e. PP's powers, Niki's husband, etc.

And J, I don't think Neo-Hiro's tied to a post-apocalyptic future, i.e the X-Men issue he references. He didn't have that "in our
future, all is lost" doom and gloom sense to him. Seemed more like he was from a future where they'd successfully stopped the bomb, and had returned to spur the connection between Peter and early Hiro.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

Cheerleader's dad is still Not Named!...it seems more and more likely that he is SYLAR the brain-eating freak, or at least a henchman of his. It will be funny when cheerleader mom calls him "Sy" or something.

I love how Peter arranged Isaac's paintings like a page of a comic, so blatant (that subtle lack of subtlety again). I hate it but I am kind of starting to really like Peter, as it seems like he is shaping up to become more of an in-betweener than the Big Hero Of The Show as they were sort've making him out to be initially. Also, I hope that scene leads Isaac in a new direction, like, "omg you can do it w/o drugks, maybe me can too?". It's an interesting twist, the only-a-prophet-while-high thing, but it could be so much more interesting.

What if cheerleader girl's birth parents are - duhnt duh DOOOOO - Nathan & Peter's parents, ie she is a lost Petrelli? Totally soap-opera-y/comic book-y enough for this show.

Also, Niki's husband was in the house, it seems they are hinting at him being a teleporter, which, with all the genetics talk, is totally setting up the little kid to be a super power having little guy, too, aka the Walt of Heroes (except hopefully he isn't written out of story?).

I love how rapidly they are moving with this show, all shows should behave as though they are about to be cancelled.

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I love how after Mind-Slayer Black Guy "cleaned out" the psychic cop guy, he sort've wins his powers back by being the most romantic guy of all-time (also a good plot device as to his wife discovering his abilities).

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

My guess is that Cheerleader's Dad is heading some black ops super-soldiers research program and Sylar is this season's separate big bad. Not sure if he's connected with the NY bomb or not yet, but the assumption is that he is.

Foreshadowing like "you look different without your scar" is great - makes you how long it will be until Peter and Hiro meet, and what's in store for Peter.

Odd that Jeph Loeb is involved with the show, and with Smallville. Makes me think the writers are directed to keep Smallville as relatively bland as it is.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

ok that was pretty good. I may be honstly hooked after the scene in the diner.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't help thinking that Hiro was being a bit cryptic. I mean, if I had to travel into the past to warn someone I wouldn't be so vague... Tell the guy what's going on for crying out loud!

And in the same scene I found Suresh a tad annoying. First he rambles on about his old man's research (which he must be interested in or he wouldn't be there) and then when time switches back on, I'm pretty sure Peter wasn't standing in the same place, no-one seems to notice! Then he's all full of doubt towards Peter.

Despite all this crap I guess I'm still hooked. Damnit.

Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Cloak_and_Dagger_1_%281983%29.jpg

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ha!

I'm starting to think (if it wasn't all that blatant w/ the big reveal) that Indie Hepburn Waif is SYLAR THE EATER OF BRANGS.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

She played the femme fatale in "Brick" (recommended, btw). And her name's EDEN, geddit?!?

Sylar left a message on Papa Suresh's answering machine with a male voice, but Eden was the one who pointed out the answering machine blinking. They could be in cahoots. Psychic Cop and the F.B.I. agent seemed to be fighting a guy, though, and there's the time it'd take for travel from N.Y.C. to L.A. (where Psychic Cop is, right?), so I think they're different folk.

What's her power, though? Cheerleader Dad has the memory wiping henchman, so she should have a power, too.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

stiffening hindu weenises is her power.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

She has the power to have men fall for her not-all-that page-boy 50-pound ass (cf. her "I'm a fan *flutter*" skeez to winnow her way into the artiste's loft).

(damn you austin)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Suresh Jr. is surprisingly (or not, as the plot demands) unsuspicious of her, following 1) his dad's apartment being ransacked, 2) a taxi passenger who knew who of the Suresh genetics studies, 3) someone bugging his home. A pretty girl who has a key to the apartment? Nothing wrong with that.

It'd be cool if she was a Janus sort of character, with a male Sylar form and a female form, but that'd be too similar to Las Vegas Niki.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Watched it for the first time tonight -- seemed a little draggy to me, a little too-cool-for-school, but I'm a nerd so I'll carry on watching it regardless.

What's the deal with evil Diana Krall, by the way? Did she get died?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

So Niki is "dead", which Niki will wake up? I'm hoping evil Niki. Also should I be reading 9th Wonders for clues? It's only like the billionth time they've shown us one of the heroes reading it.

I'm wondering if, what with all the other plot devices they have sort of sneakily hijacked from LOST, if we are supposed to believe Cheerleader's Dad et al consider themselves good guys, doing the Right Thing etc?

At this point I am probably most looking forward to the revelation of whatever Niki/DL's kid's powers are (you KNOW he is going to have them) and Hiro re-aquiring his faith in himself & his mission. And also more gratuitous Niki ass-shots.

xpost this WAS one of the slower episodes of the series so far, and like I said, it seems she's dead, but you know ONE of her personae will awaken. And that whole phase-shifter heart-squeezing trick? Priceless.

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Predictions:

- Nikki is not dead, but "evil" Nikki will now be the default instead of regular Nikki.
- Micha will have a badass superpower but it won't be revealed for at least two or more episodes.
- I will watch every episode at least twice

B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Article in the NYT today. Typical excerpt:

Mr. Kring called on Mr. Loeb (years earlier they had collaborated on that memorable film “Teen Wolf Too”...

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

ZING

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Please note: SYLAR backwards is RALYS = pep RALYS = CHEERLEADER? OMG!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

This is very telling, from that dealie...

He said he first created the characters and then fit a superpower to them: a single mother who could be in two places at once...

SO SHE CAN, CAN SHE?

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

this show has lept up to Lost status for me. i'm not a big comicbook person but the elements of comic books that i love seem to be represented in this show really well, esp the angles and the colours (as i said in ile thread.)

so, cheerleader and her father - he's trying to prevent her from figuring out her origins, which doesn't nec make him evil. and it seems he's trying to prevent others from understanding their powers too. so what's up with that? if he could take their powers away, i bet he would. but the thing is: he's not trying to kill them. so i'm leaning towards thinking he's not nec on sylar's side, whoever sylar is and stands for.

evil niki reign is going to be pretty crazy. rampaging across the country to find her son.

rrrobyn, the situation (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Getting a little frustrated with the pacing.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

that sigil really is eyerywhere - in that earlier episode at the murder house, i swear to go that it was in the pool as well - the cleaner hose snaking back and forth with little white floaters sticking off in the middle. subtle.

Kim (Kim), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ever wonder just how much of a disgusting creep Harry Knowles can be?

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

So, this came up in conversation with a couple of my friends in the form of "hmm, eternal virgin" and then we dropped it. I now want to kill myself.

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

I like how he essentially blames the writers for his overactive wrongness.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha OMFG

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think my affection is waning badly. I'm such a sucker for these soap-operatics though, I don't know if I'll actually be able to break away.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

What in the sweet god of fuck is that fucking life-sized Muppet stuffing down his fat fucking maw to even think that posting that wacked-out horseshit in a public forum makes any sort of goddamn sense?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

Agreed. AICN humped the shark with that article.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

So Micah's superhuman ability is electronics repair?

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

If it is, he needs to go back to vocational school - when his dad interrupted him, the phone went back on the fritz.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think he somehow communicated with the machine, told it not to be out of order, because that's so much more Matrix!

I can't believe though that Ando & Hiro didn't join up with DL & Micah. I am glad though that Hiro's back on form.

polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I missed the end of this due to houseguests! HI DERE ABC.COM

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hi guys, it's Election Tuesday, so don't forget to VOTE PETRELLI!

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

We already know he wins. So if we don't vote, is that jeopardized?

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

From Homeland Security honcho to bow-tied political columnist! Moral: don't mess with Karen Hayes.

I like FBI Girlfriend. She's like the non-skeptical Scully.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping Peter would be all "OMG WE ARE XMENS" at dinner so that Nathan would DEFINITELY not make cover, which would maybe = no nuke? But then what actually happened was better.

And Dan good luck finding on ABC.com, since this is an NBC show.

diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, whatever, you know what I meant

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

What you meant = you watch Extreme Makeover.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

o shit, busted DO NOT

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone else think "Uh oh, Rena Sofer" on Monday? She has a bad luck streak of cancelled shows.

FBI Girlfriend is great. Happy that Heroes has the reaction spectrum of shock (cheerleader's bro) and quick acceptance (FBIG) to the super powers. Versus Smallville taking Lana's unawareness of Clark's powers strong into the sixth season. The discovery is more real world, not unlike Bendis outing Ultimate Spider-Man as often as he can.

On one hand, I like reading spoilers about the future direction of the show, but on the other hand, genuinely enjoying being suprised by where the writers (and f/x folk) take it each week.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

For a minute (when they snuck into Radioactive Man's house), I was thinking FBIG was Sylar!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone else think "Uh oh, Rena Sofer" on Monday? She has a bad luck streak of cancelled shows.

Hah my thought was, oh my god she's Professor X!

I'm actually starting to like Peter, or at least Peter and Nathan in the same scene - they play each other off really well. And I agree w/r/t people's reactions to superpowers - that whole scene with cheerleader girl and her brother where she confesses that she's scared that her parents will regret adopting her was actually genuinely touching and is way better than the usual "people will think i'm a freak but... I'm a cheerleader!" line of these shows. Her hugging him after that was a nice touch too.

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

You could probably have Rena Sofer, Ted McGinley, and Rob Lowe on this show, and it won't tank.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

But probably not Scott Foley.

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

What about Mark Foley? Maybe he can play Harry Knowles.

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I think Harry Knowles should be played by John Mark Carr after he's been force fed lard for 3 years.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

B. Galactus miniseries is fun by the way, thanks for the recommends. Are the main seasons better/as good?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I also watched the miniseries, but all in one sitting. Oy! That's a lot of scifi for me.

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

chuck: yes!
chuck: i'm in TO this weekend what's going on

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

chuck: how many times have i announced that i'm going to be in toronto this weekend on unrelated ILC threads

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

S1ocki: Not sure what's goin' on, but I'm around. I'll intertron you my cell numbah.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 10 November 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

do it to it

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually starting to like Peter, or at least Peter and Nathan in the same scene - they play each other off really well.

This is b/c Adrian Pasdar is insanely underrated.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Well THAT was pretty bad.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree. Last week was crap; this week kept me from dropping entirely.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, tonight was great. Cheerleader Dad improved measurably as a character, with his ruthlessness fueled by the love for his daughter.

Hiro continues being the breakout character, with his happy embrace of his powers. The photo on the wall - did he look dazed, like the long timejump might have affected his memory?

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

The only thing the show really needs is a five-minute music montage at the end of every show, followed by a commercial for the bands heard that night.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

My bold claim: Future Hiro is Sylar!

1. The silhouette of Sylar @ the diner looked a bit like Trucker Hat Hiro.
2. Future Hiro has a SWORD, the better to slice 'n dice people's heads with.
3. Think about the DRAMA of Now Hiro facing off against Future Hiro!
4. Soul patches are evil!!!

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

To hell w/ Save The Cheerleader: SAVE THE REDHEAD!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

The Daily Star, England's most cheerfully unreliable newspaper, has Heroes exclusive, apparently.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 20 November 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

d00d Dave, she's got a name: GOOGLE GIRL.

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

d00d, she has my heart, too! SAVE HER HIRO!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Eccleston is kind of a punk-ass bitch, but I'm still looking forward to his appearance on the show.

George Takei is going to play Hiro's dad.

Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

GEORGE TAKEI? ARE YOU CEREAL??? I'M GEEKING OUT WAY MORE THAN THIS SHOULD WARRANT FOR SOMEONE OF MY AGE.

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/11/18/george-takei-joins-cast-of-heroes/

That cements it--this is my new favorite show.

J (Jay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I worked out how Peter was going to avoid death maybe five or ten minutes before it actually happened. I'm kind of embarassed I didn't figure it sooner.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping for a Peter / Sylar showdown, but I guess it "makes sense" that Petey wouldn't be able to throw around locker doors & make w/ the telekinetic skull-saw moves right off the bat.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

Peter & Claire are this show's Jean Grae and Wolverine.

stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Rogue and Wolverine, surely.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you mean the romance thing, in which case it looks more like Colossus/Kitty to me.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

No no no - DL & Ali L are Kitty & Colossus!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

We're pretty clearly being misdirected in regard to Sylar. Telekinetic neurosurgeon can't be the man himself. Although the power to play Trauma Center anywhere and at anytime in the real world is pretty badass.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

DL & Ali L are Kitty & Colossus

DL & Ali L are obv. Cyclops & Emma Frost!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

So Peter's covered in blood, but none of it is the dead cheerleader's - it's his own and Sylar's. So he should be exonerated, with a good lawyer, right?

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

There could be some of the bitchy cheerleader's blood, since it got on Sylar, then Sylar and Peter wrestled off the roof. But my guess is that Peter will be railroaded, then some other character will have to show up to bust him out. All kinds of possibilities there, but I'm going with a dark horse: Mind-Control-pixiecut.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm hoping it's the Flying Petrelli Brother, because if his political career wasn't in the toilet before, it sure is now, thanks to BRO.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Also interesting that Peter's scar is still to come. I got the railroaded impression, too, but wouldn't Claire come forward? Or would dad wipe her memory?

I was surprised that the dad's gang captured Sylar. Figured he was going to escape.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Watched my first episode last night. Didn't get it.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

This was my first episode too. I got it just fine, but I don't think what I saw actually qualified as "good." The writing is really, really weak. The dialogue made me cringe almost as much as the comic sans titles.

Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

It's kinda like Lost is a show that borrows from a lot of the things I really love in post-Claremont superhero comics, and Heroes takes from everything I think is totally lame.

Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

All you need to get on this show is how everyone needs a shave or a haircut.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Hiro don't need no stinking haircut!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

How soon we forget future soul-patch Hiro!

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
R U ON TEH LISZT???

http://www.pianoparadise.com/liszt.jpg>

HOLLA

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

R U ACTUALLY LINKING TO A PIC???

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, this nu-nu-ILX scares me.

c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 22 January 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight, Christopher Eccleston joins the cast. Renewed for a second season, already. Happy Mondays!

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

UGH.

c(°°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

UGH, why? Thought it was a good episode. The sword being a fake was a good device to hook up the Niki/DL storyline with the main thread. Also like the small displays of powers, like DL reaching through the glass. Anything that accentuates the normality of these abilities is cool. Like the moment in the first X-Men movie when Kitty Pryde runs out the door by phasing through it.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I so need to catch up with this show. They're starting an ARG. Also I heard Chris Eccelston beats up that emo nurse.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Primatech Paper won't stop texting me. They better be paying for this shit.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't sign up for the texts because of that. :( I only got one e-mail so far.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted far FAR less Nikki/DL/Micah and Floppy Hair Indian d00d and seeing Claire in normal clothes was all weird in addition to all the ugly camera angles they shot her in and the "acting" they had her do, because they were trying to flesh her out beyond the rah-rah stereotype and make her all sensitive emo human but her "acting" was pretty poor.

Which isn't really fair of me to complain about since it's a new "season" and they wanted to reintroduce all the characters to viewers new and old, plus they needed to set up the new arc and all that, but reset buttons kind of bug me.

Also I am sad that FBI Girlfriend and Psychic Cop are splitsville (and I swore I'd never be a shipper again), but ROL @ "Think of a number between one and, I donno, INFINITY!!!" even though I called it. I am Psychic TV Whiner Nerd!

xpost OH YEAH wtf is Primate Chpaper??? OMG I SLAY.

c(°°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Brain freeze, but what was the result of that "Pick a number..." question? Must have been distracted at the moment, because I don't remember what her answer was. And I didn't get the impression that Psychic Cop & FBI Girlfriend were over, just that they were ramping up the ANGSTY DRAMA. Keep your shipper hope alive.

I'd guess a lot of people favor the Hiro/buddy/Mr. Isaac/"Flying Man!" side of the story, so I'm grateful for the Nikki/DL/Micah side of things, if only to lessen the risk of Hiro overexposure. Nice to anticipate his appearances. Same goes for the Suresh plot enveloping the others. It makes for good balance.

NBC was really promoting this yesterday. I fear backlash.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I fear backlash.

Merited. The secret of heroes is that nothing ever goddamn happens.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Brain freeze, but what was the result of that "Pick a number..." question?"

A surprised laugh from the wife, then a cut to some other thing. Cliffhanger, basically.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

that chick with the split personality.. shes a REALLY AWFUL actress.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

not as awful as the super-earnest Indian, though.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

"FLYING MAN! PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"

"Can't you keep it down?"

"psshh"

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

ROFL. That was my highlight, too.

Thanks for the answer.

Re: bad acting, hoping for good performances from George Takei and Eric Roberts. Fingers crossed they don't bring the ham.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

George Takai not bring the ham? FOR SHAME!

J (Jay), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

this show is all about the ham!!

rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, final line: "who needs god when you've got me"
hahaha - only a bad actress could deliver that line - tv gold

rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

she's maybe more 'b' than 'bad'

rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ding!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry but I think whatever that girl that plays Claire's name is is a great little actress, and I find her storyline every bit as touching as I'm sure they are hoping I do.

I said it on ile thread but I'll say it here: Isaac's loft is the Hall of Superfriends!

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Also lol you said "brainfreeze", r u one of Sylar's victims?

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

YOU AND HARRY KNOWLES. XPOST.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 25 January 2007 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

Since nobody else has mentioned it, I thought the final scenes with Emo Fop and Ecclescake were kind of brilliant, the whole "how can you see me?" process (particularly cut with the guys selling CDs on the street getting their stall knocked - although in a brainfreeze moment I can't remember whether they could be heard or not? If not, that could cause issues, plus if as has been claimed Ecclescake has been invisibule for a long time and seems to be permanently that way why is he stealing money? He can just steal food, shelter, whatever when he needs to, surely?) was great and watch out for the 'Emo Fop sucks in powers and uses them without even realising it' as a key theme over the next arc, I reckon.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think that they could be heard. As for why Dr. Invisible steals money, it is a SUBTLE CRITIQUE of dread CAPITALISM, where CAPITAL has so alienated human needs that money has replaced food as the driving biological imperative.

I wonder, since the whole powers thing is based on some genetic voodoo, maybe GEORGE TAKEI has some ginchy time warping abilities too.

c(,,c) (Leee), Thursday, 25 January 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

::RESISTING OBVIOUS "BLACK PEOPLE ARE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED TO PHASING THROUGH SHIT, THEREFORE ARE CRIMINALS" RACIST LOLZ::

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

the guy steals money for vending machines obv.

webber (webber), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

WAIT A SEC:
http://www.heroestv.com/images/cast-peter.jpg = http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B0002A6CQ4.01._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V62643992_.jpg

Also:
GULP!

c(,,c) (Leee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently the emo-hair is getting scaled back by season's end. The actor's been hoping for it, but Post-Felicity, new haircuts require approval and test-marketing.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Ecclescake channelling his Doctor with the whole "are you going to come with me?" thing in Emo Fop's apartment. Although he's clearly playing it as his character in 24 Hour Party People.

Giant Hiro robbles at GULP subtitle.

Still can't be arsed with the DL/Micah plot.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Micah bringing the 'TUDE to "Disabled List" was good for ROLs. I hope Micah turns unabashedly evil.

c(,,c) (Leee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't really like the Micah method of getting money. If he got it all from one ATM, he would have undoubtedly been noticed getting that much money out, and if he went to several (as he alluded), the banks would soon figure out that several ATMs in the same area have been robbed and looked at survalliance videos from them, very soon figuring out that the common link is a very conspicuous 10 or so year old boy.

I don't think any of this will actually happen in the show and he will get away scott-free which is what makes it such a shit plot device.

This episode kind of sucked, apart from GULP.

webber (webber), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

I figged his power fritzed out the security on the ATMs.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, that would be reasonable.

webber (webber), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

If Emo Fop is forced to keep the hair, it should look like this permanently.

http://cardozaplayer.com/issues/volume4/issue2/12image1.jpg

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

is that a... magazine about gambling??
man, i am not up on stuff.
i am so ready for his short hair.

rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently it's not just short but shaved-head! I used to hate Peter Petrelli (episode 2) but now I am kind of in love with his crookedy face.

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Somebody quick, come up with a mnemonic for keeping the Flying Petrellis straight, like:
Nate Hates Superpowered Fate
Peter the Mutant Repeater

?

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

AICN has February sweeps blurbs for the episodes. In invisotext, so extra effort to get the spoilage.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Well don't I feel stupid for not seeing THAT little plot twist coming from a mile away.

J (Jay), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Sylar isn't very threatening, is he?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Takei brought his Serious Acting game. Well done, I thought.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha I was so drunk, all I remember was Nathan Petrelli Plot Twist and Peter not dying.

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Someone PLEASE confirm that the last 4 digits of Mr. Nakamura's ride wasw 1701!!

c(,,c) (Leee), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't catch that! If true, the show's Awesometer just went up 20%.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Someone PLEASE confirm that the last 4 digits of Mr. Nakamura's ride wasw 1701!!

Yes, it was.

N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Even better, actually:

http://www.jonlee.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/vlcsnap-1133327.png

J (Jay), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

One of us. One of us.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have a new wallpaper!

Interesting the tepid reaction (so far) on the IL E thread -- really cements the distinction between nerds and citizens, like how much one enjoys an episode is inversely proportional to the other.

c(,,c) (Leee), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I just read through this thread and was all "dudes, this thread is so much better than the ILE one". I'm going to have to bookmark something on ILComics now :-/

Giant Hiro robbles at GULP subtitle.

Haha, that and "greato scotto" (when talking to alternate-timeline-Hiro on the phone) = brilliant.

Ecclescake channelling his Doctor with the whole "are you going to come with me?" thing in Emo Fop's apartment.

Come on, he started off in Heroes by using the word "fantastic". Nod for the Who fans, definitely. I remember when Ecclescake started as the Doctor I had huge issues with not being able to see him* as anyone but DCI Bilborough from Cracker. Three months of Who later, and I can't see him* as anyone but the Doctor. His stop-start manic behaviour throughout his first meeting with Floppy-haired Petrelli was total Who.

* haha, can't see him, do you see what I did there, etc

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that ile should just redirect people here

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha wow @ license plate! This talk of the Takei has brought back some of last night's ep, in particular wow Hiro's sister is a babe!

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also: I hope that's not the last we see of daddy Nakamura, it would be a waste to have cast Takei for only that scene.

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and ROL @ "Pshaw, 'Mr.' Bennett, I always just think of him as---SPANKY, stop chewing his shoelaces!"

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

That line was particularly well-delivered.

Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

Please to explain how Cheerleader Dad got out of prison, HEROES! Also, Nathan P's a bit of a man-ho, isn't he?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

The Haitian probably showed up for work and found his boss locked in the room.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, he shows up with his henchman = not much mystery.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

My biggest continuity gripe is eClaire surviving the FIERY THING as an 18-month-old THING when her powers (and the powaz of the others) supposedly manifested but recently.

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she's had them since birth, but the trauma of a baby regenerating a burned body taxed her out until the recent arm-through-glass trauma? Or her 'dad' staged the fire and swapped a dead baby for her? Or she's got a basic immunity to fire passed down from her mom? Or she wasn't in the fire at all. The mom said the roof collapsed - maybe the body wasn't recovered?

Stop me before I write fanfic.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hasn't Dr. Scruffy been invisible for 15 years according to Emohair?

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

claire's dad (glasses) has known about her abilities since she was a kid though, right? but her awareness didn't happen until recently. it's a bit of a plot hole, really, that some people's powers have recently manifested and others have known about them for a while.

i liked this episode - the sylar tension (even though he's a knob), the hiro parts, eccelston, claire's (bio) mom, peter finally starting to get it - the fall was cool, even the twist at the end! oh, nathan...

(of course, i do not get the '1701' reference at first. but now that i see it laid out for me with arrows pointing to star trek alert alert, i know what it means. see, i try.)

rrrobyn, breeze blown meadow of cheeriness (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I didn't even know who George Takei was, such is my level of Star Trek avoidance (cue large amount of mocking from husband). But, armed with the knowledge gleaned from this thread and google, I'm going to point out the number plate to him and astound him with my geekery. Except we'll have to watch it again now and he'll know I only knew from reading here and he'll mock me even more.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am hoping EmoHair Fop will be revealed as a VIRGIN like Louis Jagger Rogue, who he is obviously based on.

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Wednesday, 7 February 2007 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

This was a great episode. Hiro's family is awesome. "I never should have read him those stories." Although I hope that they bring both Takei and the sister back, and not like that whole subplot was only there to explain how Hiro could manage to take all that time off work.

Can we kill off the Niki/Jessica/DL/Micah storyline now that there's a better Incredibles family around?

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

Other favorite plot point - Isaac's conversation with HRG "it's like he's a ghost, or invisible", HRG: "ZOMG SNAKE PLISKIN INVISIBLE DR WHO MAN, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD".

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Never mind Darling Nikki teaming up w/ Robust Alias Psychic Cop to do DAMAGE!

Anyone else see that awful promo for Cinderella III? Cinderella saying, "you'll never get away w/ this" in a Lethal Weapon style = HUH?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hayden Pennetieri/Petrelli/Whatever is in CIII, is she not? And Joe Pesci?

When Awesome Ando said that Hot Sister was starting to like him, what did Hiro respond with? Other message boards were plotzing over the response, but I don't remember. micahsadface.jpg

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think he said, "Dude, you're wearing a Members Only jacket!"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ando shops at the same store as Matt Saracen??

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Been enjoying Greg Beeman's blog quite a bit. The amount of thought he puts into the show explains the quality.

Makes me curious how they map out shows like CSI:Miami.

"Okay, this 20 seconds will be a slow pan up from the corpse to Caruso. Caruso tilts head, delivers one-liner, puts on sunglasses, CUT for commercial!"

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

When is EmoPetrelli going to get his scar that Hiro remarked upon, since he can now channel IndestructibleCheerleaderPower?

I still await the unveiling of Mr Mugglez' powers.

ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

I assume some power-dampening is gonna happen that gets PP his scarry scar.

David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

Fwiw, the "Did Sylar kill GoogleGirl Charlie or did she die of the brain tumor?" question is answered in issue #20 of the online graphic novel series. (Answer = yes).

I wonder if that'll come into play later? Since she had a brain aneurysm and Sylar took her brain.

scampering alpaca, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

Is tonight's episode rilly the season finale?? My word!

Leee, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:15 (eighteen years ago)

Fret not. Ep 18 is set for March 5th, so I'd bet it's a full 22 ep season.

EhAyeSeaEn said the below about tonight's ep 17, all HRG-centric, so WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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What’s no good?
Absolutely nothing. As perfect an hour of TV as this series has yet to deliver. Some questions answered, others raised, menace presented, stakes pushed.
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scampering alpaca, Monday, 26 February 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

Oh duh, the thing I was looking at said penultimate episode tonight.

Leee, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 00:50 (eighteen years ago)

GUYS THIS ONE SCENE - YOU WILL SHIT YOURSELFS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

I want a room in my house done like the roof of the DeVeaux Building.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

Goddamn they're ratcheting it up a bit, aren't they?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

kick. ass.

J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 02:54 (eighteen years ago)

Dear Lost,

you suck.

Love,

tonight's episode of Heroes

musically, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. Harrowing episode.

Roz, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

And yes, it breaks my heart to say it, but L O S T got pwned. :(

Roz, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

So true! Love the fact that there was a ref to Heroes in last week's Lost and a ref to Lost in this week's Heroes.

Jibe, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

yes, last two weeks have been great. no coincedence, I think, that the same two weeks have been completely free of Nikki/Jessica.

Garrett Martin, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

Last week there was that huge Parkman/Nikki-Jessica showdown though! That was last week, right?

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

Wait...I think I'm wrong!

So, does Daddy Sulu Nakamura know about Hiro's powers? Did he send those cult dudes to make him THINK he didn't have powers so he would not be TAKEN? That's what I think.

Also, fucking special fx extravaganza! Melting-face Clairebear! This episode was very moving.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Also apparently it airs on Sundays on CTV now, I went to download it last night and it had been up since Sunday night! I'm totally going to monitor this and might get a jump-up on America next week!

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

If it does air on sundays, plz do tell where to find it on the interweb !

Jibe, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

I don't watch Lost; can somebody explain the shoutout to me?

J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think it aired early in Canada because of the premiere of some other show but I think it might be back to Monday nights next week.

Holy shit, this episode! One of the best TV experiences I've had in ages. I was getting sick of Claire's storyline the past few weeks but it was all worth it for this week - did anyone else bawl their eyes out during those last few minutes?

And yeah, I do wonder now whether Daddy Nakamura knew that Hiro might develop powers and whether there was a reason he told him all those stories about the samurai...

We still don't know HRG's name! We'll probably never find out now...

Roz, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

Bennett's first flashback begins with a very close shot on his eye, which is the way Lost ep start.

Jibe, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, 'twas a GREAT, great episode. Did anyone else think of the X-Men's Rachel Grey when Claude made that speech about hunting his own kind? And I liked the expectations fake-out, thinking that at the end, as HRG and Thompson (the Eric Roberts character, according to close-captioning) were walking down the hall, the Haitian would pop up and erase Thompson's memories. Instead, the knowledge & threat remain and a new character was introduced.

Definite misty eyes for the last scene. Wondering what sort of memories the Haitian will pull, and whether that will leave HRG with any feeling for Claire?

And x-post, good question re: Hiro & dad. I couldn't tell, myself. I can't remember Hiro telling dad or sis that he had abilities, just that he had a destiny, so maybe the dad's still unaware?

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

did anyone else bawl their eyes out during those last few minutes?

I am man enough to admit that yes, yes I did.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

what a great hour of TV!

cutty, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

GUYS THIS ONE SCENE - YOU WILL SHIT YOURSELFS.

btw I meant the scene on the roof of the DeVeaux building, fwiw. (you just KNOW Simone's father will make a flashback appearance eventually, you don't cast SHAFT for such a small part as that).

nickalicious, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

I have to turn in my geek badge in, because I didn't feel this episode. D:

The majority of the middle acts centered around a group of people being threatened w/ bodily harm, one of whom couldn't die, and an apparent disinclination to kill off any more characters, and I didn't get any tension out of Geico Caveman holding the Bennetts hostage. A-a-and I thought that we shouldn't have heard Mr. No More Shoelaces mindcasting to Psycop -- just have Psycop pop Claire and when they're all in her bedroom go like, "Thanks for reading my mind, pal!"

But! Dr. Invisible! And Sulu pere! They are GOOD things, especially now that Sulu is inextricably tied to ANTIMUTANT KONSPIRACY.

Leee, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

okay okay that ep was pretty awesome

speculationeration: the haitian is taking his orders from Future Hiro
right? i hope so

rrrobyn, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, I shit myself when Eccelston (sic) went HI DERE in Eric Roberts' office. Also - spot-on Caruso by EB when he barged into the Bennett house and went, "So did I." YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 01:19 (eighteen years ago)

EB = eric boberts?

cutty, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:08 (eighteen years ago)

YES OF COURSE DUH

David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 02:41 (eighteen years ago)

Ickle-Hiro = teh cuetness!!!

Also Claire's mum = staying to help Claire + telling Claire not to go back into the Tedferno = DO YOU NOT GET IT WOMAN, SHE'LL COME OUT OF THIS BETTER THAN YOU WILL! She just recovered from BEING DEAD!

Quick quibble - had Lyle been brainwiped too after he saw the tapes of Claire jumping off things and healing herself? Wouldn't he know that Claire wasn't going to be dead?

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 08:38 (eighteen years ago)

he was totally brainwashed

cutty, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Lyle was brainwashed iirc. Child-Hiro was so great tapping away on his GB!!

Jibe, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

I can't believe GameBoys were around 14 years ago! OLD IS ME

David R., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Shush, young 'un. Coleco football, now that'd be old-school.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

I had a Pong machine, so I win.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

Geico Caveman

I'd been planning on making a "Going nuclear, so easy a caveman can do it" during the entirety of this episode and completely forgot.

Clay, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 22:39 (eighteen years ago)

hahahahahaha

nickalicious, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 23:56 (eighteen years ago)

more hahahahas

David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)

OK, so just to verify - HRG just had the memory of him letting Claire escape erased, not EVERYTHING about Claire, right?

David R., Friday, 2 March 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

When he said "Go deep" to the Haitian, I figured it was more than letting Claire escape. Maybe just his awareness that he knew of her powers? So it'd still be believed that he would have turned her in immediately after finding out she had powers.

That Sulu and likely Simone's dad are involved adds all sorts of questions.

Not so stoked that after Monday, we have to wait again for the final four.

scampering alpaca, Friday, 2 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/05/tv.cavemen.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

J, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Crap. Further Geico Caveman news

J, Monday, 5 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

When he said "Go deep" to the Haitian, I figured it was more than letting Claire escape it was about to go all gay p0rn.

nickalicious, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

forelock: "THUD!"

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

YOU BASTARDS

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)

HAIRCUT!

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 06:02 (eighteen years ago)

MALCOLM FUCKING MACDOWELL.

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

"A little off the top" takes on a new meaning.

(Also, Agent Quesada = Marvel nod.)

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

CRAZY GRANNY P SPEAKING HAITIAN
ENDO'S RETURN TO THE FUTURE
DARK CHEERLEADER
PALE SKINNED MYSTIQUE

APRIL 23RD?!??!

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Agent Quesada AND Agent Alonso (as in Alex) = Marvel nods

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

The Finally We Meet Linderman scene turned out probably 100x better than what I was expecting. Malcolm McDowell! And HE KNOWS! And he's a CHEF! So great.

Also I am a little disappointed in Peter Petrelli, I expected him to go all flying-inviso-tekinetic badass on Sylar, but then I guess he has to get the scar sometime. I wonder if Suresh will survive?

I still have mixed feelings on the new dopplegirlger, I mean, the HRG Is Busted scene was really well played and all oh no she di'int! but I feel betrayed by how carbon copy an homage to Mystique she is. I am however really looking forward to Rogue HRG and his mission to find Claire.

And wait, what, wtf with Petrelli mom?!?!? Also wait, what, was Isaac's painting of himself or Peter Petrelli or who? I couldn't really tell, and my roommate was drunk and loud and trying to tell me something stupid that I didn't care about.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Ando's appearance was so cute and necessary and well timed, kudos!

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

nicka otm re: Ando. So grebt and unexpected and yeah, necessary!

Isaac's painting was of himself, he painted the gun as well - it's basically showing that first time Hiro went to the future and found him dead in his loft. I wonder how Hiro/Ando's going to get back to the past now.

I felt almost sorry for Suresh, just when I was starting to like him getting all angry and badass and vengeful. But I also knew Sylar was gonna kick his ass.

Petrelli mom I'm guessing is not the only family member still in contact with Lindowellman. I think there's two groups at play here, the Company and the Linderman Group. Or maybe they're the same people (shades of Dharma v the Others?? haha)

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

GUYS TOTALLY AWESOME SPOILER.GIF IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCH YET LOOK AWAY!!!!






http://imgred.com/http://niko.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/de/dea33887c8786906ef11604f16e591aa778c668b.gif

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh man I totally forgot about the PP scar! (Seeing him scream in that GIF, I can def. see why he was cast as Rocky's kid.)

I'm wondering if Mystique even really looks like what she looks like, or if she's actually SOMEONE ELSE WE'VE SEEN BEFORE duh-duh-duh!!!!

Also: finding out that Jeph Loeb was behind the Nikki / DL / ATM Kid plot makes a lot of sense, as JL tends to irk me, and that's been the most tedious plot thread of 'em all.

Are there any dude/ettes who've been name-dropped that haven't been introduced yet?

(Endo, Daver? Jonesin' for a hit thur?)

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Also - I want a Linderman Pot Pie.

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha!

actually, now that i look at that clip and the sight of Milo Ventimigliarrrrrrrrrgghhghghghgghghh, i remembered there was a gun in Suresh's apartment as well so maybe it was Peter in Isaac's painting after all.

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Note to Heroes producers: if you could have one of the TK dudes disassemble a gun in an exploding-diagram stylee during their skirmish, I will totally love you 4 life.

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

David, my sister totally thought he looked like Stallone before she found out he was playing Rocky's kid based on that one scene where he wakes up screaming in the hospital bed.

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Oh man almost forgot: is Eric Boberts totally going to make Parkman his new partner?

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Noosarama has a yippy thread going about the unoriginality of the heroes. Reads like whiny sour grapes. There's only a finite amount of the standard hero powers (telepathy, telekenesis, teleportation, invulnerability, flying, strength, intangibility, shape-changing, etc.) to go around. Concurrent use of the same archetypes, or even subsequent use, doesn't imply plagiarism. If anything, reading articles that say Tim Kring wasn't a comic-book geek confirms that it's possible to recreate a Wolverine or Vision independently. What do you all think?

As far as Mystique goes, seems more of a Mastermind-type - able to alter perceptions, rather than just her own appearance. That's a great power to have on the bad side, though. I was hoping Simone wasn't dead.

Greg Beeman says on his blog that they're shooting 23 episodes, so five to go, when the show returns.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

So if Sylar completes the brainfusion or whatever with Peter, does he get all the powers Peter has accumulated - the flying, invisibility, regeneration, time-stopping, telepathy, etc (also on that note, Peter met Eden, shouldn't he have some persuasion power buried deep down there somewhere?)? Or would he only get Peter's true ability - the empathy? Could Sylar take from this an ability to learn people's abilities withOUT eating their brains or whatever?

Also, I guess it is now confirmed that sonic boom voice Peter used on Isaac came from Sylar; I wonder whose that was originally?

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:21 (eighteen years ago)

How do you picture Sylar's process? The brains disappear, so is he analyzing and absorbing them? Disintegrating them? Eating them?

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

Can Peter regenerate without a functioning brain? Claire couldn't...

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

She stayed dead until they removed the stick from her brain, but she wasn't quite functional. As long as nothing gets lodged in his brain he should be okay to regenerate.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but Sylar doesn't leave the brains behind.

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, oh right. I am hoping Peter grows some balls mid-braining and fucks Sylar up, grabs Suresh, flies away to safety, leaving Sylar all "where does he GET such wonderful toys powers!".

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

Haha Peter using sonic boom voice would probably kill super-hearing Sylar!

Roz, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

Agent Alonso (as in Alex)

You mean Axel! </one-upnerdship>

Having Sylar eat up PP-brane could open up a brave new world of pacifism: Sylar wouldn't have to eat "Specials" anymore, and could just collect 'em all powers to become Superpowered Evil Overlord.

And then PP could regrow his brane! O-o-or he could get his brane transplanted into another body, and he could get a regrow a brane, moran, in his OG body, and then there'd totally be two of him!

I hope that Claire's uncomfortable look on her face when she found out Francophone Grandma Petrelleli was her bio grandma was because she assumed that Peter was her dad and realized the ooginess of her adolescent crushing -- or wait, did she ever see Nathan when she eavesdropped on Hot!Mom?

Mystique is for sure not Wifi Girl, right? Brunettes all look the same to me, you know, and I assumed (wrongly) that Wifi Girl was a double agent undercovering at HRG's Primate Chpaper company.

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

WiFi Girl is not Mastique Girl. & Claire didn't see her pops. But did Pops see Claire (on the cellphone)?

I would like a No-Prize for getting the letters in AA's name right.

They never showed HOW Sylar does the thing he does w/ rewiring his brain, right? I'd imagine he'd have to handle the brain in some way (similar to the way he'd handle watch parts) in order to know what he'd have to do to himself to get other's powers, which is why he has to CILL instead of simply getting the brain's blueprint from folks w/out making with the TK saw. Dude did have to thwack his first victim, after all, even tho he said he saw how that guy's brain was wired for TK.

I will give points to Suresh for using the pitchfork on Sylar @ first, but the dude should've just cranked up Slayer or Britney Spears or talk radio (WFAN!) afterwards on headphones, to keep him off-balance. Scientists are so dumb that way!

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

I think Nate did (reluctantly) look at Claire on Hot!Mom's cell.

I want to know where Mrs. Bennett is! She's been on one of those PP-esque 180-degree swings where I'm totally hearting her ever since NO MORE SHOELACES. I honestly hope, in a character-sense, that her memory wasn't erased again, and that she does in fact know something about HRG's employ -- but dramaturgy-wise, knowledgeable Mrs. Bennett was probably Mystique all along.

WAIT NO! Cos Mystique and Mrs. Bennett were in the same room, and M. commented on Mrs. B's hair.

And OMG, that Spidey 3 trailer!!!! Spider sense tingling!

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

That was a lot of buildup for primarily a look at the new Goblin. They're holding back on the Venom. Has anyone gone to NBC to look at the 7 1/2 minutes of footage?

I worry for Mrs. Bennett. Weren't the mind scrubs so that Thompson wouldn't kill her? Now that they know she knows, and they don't have the Haitian anymore, won't they kill Lyle and her? And her little dog, too.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

haha they don't give a shit about Lyle.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

haha nick'lish otm.

Too true about the Goblin, but the bit where Petey loses his ring, swipes at it and misses, then tries to web it but Norman tackles him -- whooo!

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Has anyone tried to match the powers of all of the heroes with their comic equivalents? I'd be interested to read that.

J, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Peter - Synch from Marvel's Generation X
Nathan - closest to original Angel
Nikki/Jessica - Incredible Hulk
Micah - Forge/The Maker
Micah's dad - Shadowcat
Claire - Wolverine
Isaac - Destiny
Claire's mom - Pyro/Human Torch
Eccleston - Invisible Woman
doomed waitress - Cypher
Hiro - Nightcrawler/Tempo hybrid (prob. there's a better Marvel character out there with his abilities)

HI DERE, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

Whatshername - Jesse Custer "The Preacher"

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

Nikki/Jessica - Incredible Hulk

Roffles!

J, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

Spidey preview was dope but how are they going to fit Gobby + Sandman + Venom all in one movie? Will it be all video gamey with boss battles interspersed throughout, or will one or more of these villains work together?

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

Niki/Jessica - Rose and Thorn was brought up on the Noosarama thread as far as inhibited/uninhibited personalities.

Claire - Painkiller Jane, also brought up on the other thread.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

Dale the mechanica = Daredevil

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 19:58 (eighteen years ago)

Rena Sofer = Prof. X

24 is just an astral projection of her

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

Melty appliance dude = um...

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

Now that I think about it the Haitian has a pretty unique power.

So has momma Petrelli known about her boys all along? And whose side was Shaft on? I would actually kind of love a whole season set like 10 years ago, starring Claude, Sulu, Pyromom, etc.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

Haitian = Infinite Sadface Zatanna
Claire = Hellboy!

Leee, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Whatshername - Jesse Custer "The Preacher"

I was thinking the Purple Man, but yeah, Jesse Custer's more accurate.

Now that I think about it the Haitian has a pretty unique power.

The Haitian is Zatanna pre-Identity Crisis!

J, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

Melty appliance dude = Firestar

HI DERE, Tuesday, 6 March 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I'm thinking Melty = Molecule Man!

David R., Tuesday, 6 March 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

Holy fucking shit this episode was so great! One and a half months for Heroes to come back though.

There is one thing i'm not quite sure i understand. Wasn't Mohinder's curare (was that what he was sedating Sylar with?) supposed to ... well stop Sylar from using his powers? If so, how did he manage to stop the IV drip and why the hell didn't he do so before Mohinder had fun with the pitchfork? He couldn't have known that just like that Mohinder would find the genes thus enabling him to make the list.

Jibe, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

During Mohinder's analysis of the spinal fluid I finally realised what the sigil is supposed to be. It's a stylised DNA strand.

aldo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 08:54 (eighteen years ago)

Tim Kring's blog post for 3/6/07 has a couple of spoilers for this season and next, if folk want to go.

He does clarify that it was his own death that Isaac painted, not Peter's - for those above who wondered.

scampering alpaca, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

Spoils!

next ep spoilers from CBR

Then Linderman drops a bombshell, literally and figuratively: the explosion is to be the catalyst for a better future. When Nathan wonders out aloud about the cost in lives, Linderman counters, “There’s six and a half billion people on the planet, that’s less than .07%. Come on, that’s an acceptable loss by anyone’s count.”

“It is your destiny, Nathan, to be the leader who uses this event to rally a city, a nation, a world,”



Hi there, Linderman = Ozymandias!

Slumpman, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

Damn you for bumping now, of all times, with a spoiler!!! >=(

Leee, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

hey i did say "Spoils!". And plus we'll have forgotten all about it by the time April the whatever rolls around. Or else snap and read every spoiler on the web in a frenzy.

Slumpman, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

I saw the spoiler warning, for sure! I'm just disappointed that in week 1 of Hiroes withdrawal, this thread was bumped for something that I don't allow myself to read!

Leee, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:56 (eighteen years ago)

I usually read spoilers but they are usually something like "Nikki and Parkman will meet again in a BIG WAY!" or something equally vague. This is like endgame SPOILER spoilerage.

That being said, these last 5 eps of season 1 are so going to fucking RULEL.

nickalicious, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

I'll read spoilers for the last four, but a few weeks before the finale, I'm putting serious blinders on, so the last ep plays as much of a surprise as possible. Considering they're already letting slip some people who'll return in Season 2, looking forward to seeing how (or if) Peter Petrelli will get out of causing the catastrophe.

scampering alpaca, Monday, 12 March 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

Warlock World LA Heroes stuff (only very minor spoilaz)

One fan asked about the ubiquitous Kanji symbol that appears all over the show. Coleite reiterated that it literally means “God sending great ability.” Green explained that the symbol is known within the writers’ room as “the helix.” Kring suggested that it might just be the art department.

...

The possibility of Hiro making a return trip to the past to try yet again to save Charlie’s life seems grim, as Kring said, “We needed to set a hard and fast rule early on that it would not be so easy for Hiro to jump back in time and change things.” But Pokaksi announced that a novel called “Saving Charlie” was in the works, which will chronicle Hiro’s many and varied attempts to save the titular character’s life.

...

Sale, for his part, frequently gets script pages, but opts not to read them because he’d prefer not to see spoilers. “My artwork is done on paper in black and white,” Sale said. “They’re colored by Dave Stewart and blown the WHOOP WHOOP up.”

Leee, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
Yay it's back tonight!

Leee, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

OMG SO EXCITED!

ailsa, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Eh, after all of Peter's antics before the hiatus, I was hoping for a better Peter/Sylar face-off than that, booo. And his new hairstyle sucks worse than his old one. Still no scar in sight.

Still excited for the rest of the season, but I was hoping for more out of this ep generally. Maybe it was all worth it for "You." "Me?"

Roz, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

I liked the escape from the Paper warehouse sequence pretty well, especially Mr. Specs barking orders mentally at Captain Donut Psychic. "Fortunately this is a one-way conversation so there won't be any debate..."

What's granny's power?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

I MISSED THE CONVO BETWEEEN OUR HIRO AND FUTURE HIRO

DAMN YOU RECORDING DEVICE

David R., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

The conversation was two words and swords getting drawn. It was kind of awesome, but it's clear the big stuff will happen in upcoming episodes.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if / hope that Claire's trip to Paris is like the trip that Gwyneth Paltrow's character in The Royal Tennenbaums took. But with Big Black in the background instead of the Ramones. Preferably "Bad Penny."

David R., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

The Nikki/Jessica storyline has been pissing me off but the Micah abduction and inevitable parents-chase-after-their-kid plot arc (undoubtedly to NYC) will be fun. I hope Nikksica kills the shit out of shapeshifter bitch, but only after Peter gets her skillz.

Ted's EMP burst was surprising, I wonder what other cool stuff he can do when he really tries hard. Of course we all know he & Peter are going to bro down and blow some shit up together.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah so Isaac told Sylar he has drawn his death, do you guys think it was in that last issue of 9th Wonders he gave to that weird Japanese hippie bike messenger guy? And does that mean Hiro will be the one to kill Sylar?

And wtf was Sylar painting at the end, bizarro President Petrelli?

nickalicious, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe there are two futures - one where they stop the bomb and one where they don't - and Pres Petrelli is either sinister or benign?

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

OMG. I was plotzing all over this episode!!

Mr. Isaac! Getting all fatalistic and calm about his impending death = WHY COULDN'T HE BE THIS COOL BEFORE NOW?

Surprising nobody, Linderman is a "special" -- but is anyone else getting the impression that he's a few/several centuries old? Considering how he has a healing power and how he's all about old school art (with an inexplicable taste for Tim Sale paintings).

Sylar is the wimpiest bad-butt ever, isn't he? He was taken out by MOHINDER with a BULLETIN BOARD, though the Peter/Sylar showdown tease was still a delight. I almost thought that when he spooky-voiced Mr. Isaac about the alleged painting/drawing he did of dead Sylar that Sylar did eat Eden's delicious branes after all -- but Mr. Isaac held out, so I think that that puts to rest any possible Sylar-eating-Eden's-branes theories.

RETURN OF UNFORTUNATE SOULPATCH. SQUEEE.GIF I knew there was something sketchy about Neo!Hiro.

Also, Grandma Petrelli kept pinging me as Nancy Pelosi for some reason, evidently because all old political ladies with brown hair and power haircuts look alike.

Leee, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Sylar always reminds me of that rejected dork in the Incredibles.

Isaac's death was great! Nailed by his own brushes! Totally the only way he could've gone, now that his girlfriend is dead, his last episode of 9th wonder sent off, all his paintings with Linderman, his story is over. I think he pretty much saw no future for himself... which is terribly sad.

I like the two futures/two Nathans theory up there: I think he's gonna eventually have to make a choice between his ambition and being a good guy/brother/son/dad.

Also, Sylar's not the only one with Isaac's power - Peter can still channel it too, and he has his own clairvoyant dreams as well. so I think this ties in perfectly with there being two futures, that each of them can possibly foresee (and that either Hiro can travel to!)

Roz, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

Oh I forgot but I think mom Petrelli is a future-vision-haver, because remember in the olden days Peter had a vision of himself flying? I think he got it from her! Also I want the flashbacks to when young Linderman, Petrelli mom & dad, Sulu, etc were all still Superfriends.

xpost yeah I thought Isaac's death was very well done, and really sad...how shitty is that to finally be able to master your future-painting ability without drugs only to paint a future without yourself in it!

nickalicious, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa, I had no idea grandma Petrelli used to be a Klingon!

Roz, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

I MISSED THE CONVO BETWEEEN OUR HIRO AND FUTURE HIRO


<i>Unfortunate Soulpatch [accusatorily]</i>: "You!"
<i>Oh_Our_Hiro [surprised]</i>: "Me?"

Leee, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

Once more, with feeling:

Unfortunate Soulpatch [accusatorily]: "You!"
Oh_Our_Hiro [surprised]: "Me?"

Leee, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Lolz at Mr Isaac and messenger dude with his Hiro-love and Isaac's "don't post any spoilers" (and yep, there are definitely clues in the edition of 9 Wonders)

Morph-woman is the most annoying character ever - I thought more or less everyone was her at one point or another.

ailsa, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

http://ads1.msn.com/ads/50574/0000050574_000000000000000420266.gif

jeff, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 06:16 (eighteen years ago)

Morph-woman is the most annoying character ever - I thought more or less everyone was her at one point or another.

I don't know, I was all "Do the stuff to make No More Shoes claw his eyes out!"

Nikki/Jessica arc still rub.

Why didn't invisible Pete whoosh the glass into Sylar's face? Can Pete only use one power at a time?

(oh, and hi dere ILC, I am an ILE refugee)

onimo, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Lee OTM re: Sylar getting taken out by a Mohinder sliding wall attack. WEAK.

I think Micah is getting tapped by Linderman to do some voting system fraud for Nathan.

Peter's scar won't show up at all in the "save the world" timeline. He saved the cheerleader and got the regenerative powers and prevented Sylar from getting the regeneration powers. There's already a divergent timeline because of Neo Hiro talking to Peter on the subway early on in the season, so Peter only has a scar in alternate/dark future timeline.

I'm stoked about the next episode. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping there's some sort of montage of Neo Hiro training past Hiro on the use of his powers and sword. It resonates with a "if I could go back in time 5 years and tell myself something" fantasy.

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

The Micah storyline won't be disastrously boring IFF Linderman decides to get all Burns-looking-for-an-heir and Micah is happy to indulge in Evil.

Leee, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/700000049

And people say I'm a spoiler sport.

Unless I'm mistaken, the latest chapter of Heroes' graphic novel series, titled "String Theory," reveals who "the bomb" is. And it's a shocker.


So if it isn't Peter, it's got to be the chick with Mystique's power, right?

Oilyrags, Thursday, 26 April 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

No it can still be Peter. The "String Theory" chapter is in the alternate future and makes a couple of references to past events that didn't happen in the 'current' timeline..

The bomb person in that alternate future exists because the cheerleader wasn't saved, so it's a divergent timeline.

petey_carnum, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

WHAT IF Sylar pops the hood on both the Bring It Mystique girl AND Radioactive Dirty Hippy, tho? Hmmmmm?

David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

BTW, there were at least two really blatant "hey, you read Watchmen, too!" moments (which are supposedly coincidental, natch):

- the "we must blow shit up to save humanity" thing
- the "hey, mail this stuff out before I die" thing

Also, in the "haaaaaaaa" area - Psychic Cop & Dirty Bomb as Owlman & Rorshach?

David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

OK, so when I Googled for "watchmen owlman" (to make sure I had the character name right) (still not sure it is), an ILC thread was #1. What the?!?!?!?

David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

Watchmen dude = Nite-Owl. Owlman is the Earth-somethingorother version of Batman.

Oilyrags, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Nite Owl, yes?

so, i'm still not sure why the universe isn't exploding when the Hiros meet. is all i was taught wrong, or do they have to touch or something?

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

NITE-OWL YES I AM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

David R., Thursday, 26 April 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Capital-T They've been lying to you all these years, Roberto.

Leee, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Uh, confused now.

J, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:46 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, slightly less confused.

J, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

Not quite as much a Watchmen ripoff as it was a week ago, I guess.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

If they just tightened up the dialogue a smidge, this show would be TOTALLY great.

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://imgred.com/http://www.randomtuesday.com/pictures/heroes/120/end_of_time.gif

This show fucking rules man.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

SAVE THE DOOR SAVE THE WORLD

I am really hoping there's an actual knock-down drag-out kick-balls fight between the suddenly awesome Peter & Sylar that's actually shown ON CAMERA.

Also: ZOMG they ref'd Molly Walker in the future, & she's featured prominently in next week's ep.

I'm still waiting for Super-Smart Redhead Waitress to come back, tho. ;_;

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

so what happened to the real nathan then?

cutty, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:24 (eighteen years ago)

ps i love this

cutty, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Given that Sylar flew off to stop Future Hiro, I'm thinking Nathan got et by the bad guy.

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

QUESTIONS UNANSWERED BY THE FUTURE:

- Linderman: wha happen?
- Jessica: wha happen?
- MR. MUGGLES?!?!?!?

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

Was there a throw-away moment where Suddenly Peter walks into the room & moves a piece of furniture w/ his mind? If so, AWESUM!

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:36 (eighteen years ago)

Also: is there anything to Sylar & Peter "burning" differently before their big fight? (Sylar was blue; PP was orange / yellow?) I hope it's more than a "GI Joe's lasers are red; COBRA's lasers are green" thing.

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Linderman: wha happen?

There was a throwaway line on tv news that mentioned "the Linderman aftermath" in ref to collection/containment of freakos.

Jessica: wha happen?

Didn't she say something about how Jessica has been gone ever since Micah died? Also there were only a couple references to DL: Peter, when he said he brought him to Bennett (or was it Parkman? so much action last night I forget details), and then President Sylar when he pulled Peter through the wall.

I like how they deftly re-emphasized the roles of the non-power-having people in this ep (Mohinder finally doing something right, Ando and what happens to Hiro without him).

xpost I was thinking it had to do with how they stole/acquired Radioactive Geico Caveman's powers, in between going "oh man" and "holy shit".

nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Even when shit goes down, tho, Ando is always ready to pop a chubby. Way to bro, Ando!

& yeah re: how P & S saved a bunch of money on their car insurance & acquired their WMD touch. Maybe one has more aptitude w/ the microwave popping hands than the other? (cf. the Mr. Bennett break-out, where Geico's told to burn bright instead of hot?)

I thought the Linderman reference was the name of the anti-HEROES act?

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Oh it might have been! I'm going to need to watch this one again.

Wait, did Future Hiro die to save Regular Hiro? (Also, major lolz @ Parkman "Sir we've got two...HIROS.")

Evil Made The Wrong Choices Parkman was kind of incredible in this episode.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

re: Different colored hand lasers for Sylar and Peter. I think Peter was burning with Nuke action, but Sylar is doing supercold fists of ice action. Blue/Red. I'm growing weary of the Peter/Sylar showdown climax denial though.

The episode was completely amazing, but all the time travel business and red herrings have got me mixed up. Cheerleader is obviously alive in this alternate future where she was 'supposed' to die, but hiding.. Neo-Peter gives no indication that he knows he saved the cheerleader... which has to happen if she's alive. Sylar as the exploding man is a red herring in the episode. The only way events could stay consistent in the alternate timeline is if Peter vamps shapeshifting powers and shapeshifts into Sylar, regenerates from Hiro's blade and still explodes. AND MY HEAD EXPLODES.

Does Peter vamp the split personalities from Niki/Jessica? Maybe that's what the scar is about that splits his face? He acknowledged he has the regeneration powers when he acknowledged he was the bomb. So scarface should regenerate...

Sylar as president was amazing. Past Hiro seeing Neo Hiro's death was amazing.

How come Parkman and Haitian didn't know Bizarro President Petrelli was Sylar?

lol TV show time travel.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

ENH. I didn't feel this episode, much too talk for a "Hiros of Future Past" before teh AKSHUN got started, but it picked up once Nate Sylartrelli sliced and diced Claire "Bear"'s noggin. (Thought the acting was more stilted than usual, Masi Oka trying to do intimidating was flat, or maybe it's the UNFORTUNATE SOULPATCH, a lot of time spent showing MIRROR WORLD characters as YES THEY'RE EVILER OR MORE "COMPLICATED" NUDGE NUDGE COMMENTARY ON MOHINDER'S FACIAL SCRUFF (which actually was kinda sexy and rehabbed his character for me) when really, all they had to do was show everyone brooding in leather pants or something.)

Kudos for using Goldfrapp to career-best effect, though.

Does Peter vamp the split personalities from Niki/Jessica? Maybe that's what the scar is about that splits his face? He acknowledged he has the regeneration powers when he acknowledged he was the bomb.

Hasn't Geico Caveman shown that he can survive his own blasts? He doesn't melt himself down when he goes meltdown. So if Peter and/or Sy-Sy Baby leech Geico powers, they maybe get his radiological immunity as well.

How come Parkman and Haitian didn't know Bizarro President Petrelli was Sylar?

Haitian hangs with Sylartrelli, blocks Cartman's brane reading -- though how does Sylar maintain his Nately shape around Haitian?

I thought the Linderman reference was the name of the anti-HEROES act?

That's what I heard too; Linderman has the power to pass legislation that's named after him, even if he's presumably not elected to office or a US citizen.

Obviously, this answers the ugly painting Sy Sy drew at the end of the previous episode.

Leee, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

Hasn't Geico Caveman shown that he can survive his own blasts? He doesn't melt himself down when he goes meltdown. So if Peter and/or Sy-Sy Baby leech Geico powers, they maybe get his radiological immunity as well.

I'm speculating this isn't even necessary because in Bizarro future Peter still saved the cheerleader and still has regenerative powers. Otherwise why would Peter Sylartrelli rekill/resteal Claire's powers with the finger of doom? She had to have been saved, in order to be killed later!

I'm begining to think Peter's scar might have happened when he got a face full of Hiro's sword prior to going nuclear.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, was Petey aware that Claire "Bear" was still kicking it, Google Girl style? Sylar never had Claire's powers, since she was "dead," and even if he did have her powers already (which I don't think he did), his real agenda was to bump off Specials whose powers could rival and threaten his.

I missed some of the dialogue in the Peter/Sylar hallway showdown -- what did they say? Peter said something about how Sylar must've eaten Nate, what did Sylar say?

Leee, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

Who was Bennet's lady associate? Was she WiFi Grrrl, or Mystique?

Leee, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

WIFI

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

Given Sylar was shapeshifting, I'm guessing Mystique is deadsy.

David R., Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:20 (eighteen years ago)

Does Hiro know what Peter looks like?

Leee, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

Have the makeup people on the show ever seen an Asian person before? Do they know that if we can grow a 'patch, that it won't look like it was drawn on by a Sharpie?

Leee, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Does Hiro know what Peter looks like?

Future Hiro or Hiro Hiro? Either way, yes. In the future they are side-by-side-fighting bros, but they also have met in tv-time at least once, at Isaac's loft.

Does Peter vamp the split personalities from Niki/Jessica? Maybe that's what the scar is about that splits his face?

I hadn't thought about that. I always hoped when Peter got around her he would get an evil goateed Bender/Flexo evil side going.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

What did Mr. Isaac know and when did he know it?

Is the comic book that everyone was referring to in the episode the real deal comic book? Why was it in black and white and stapled together?

What was the deal with the postcard Hiro-Fu gives to Ando before he croaks?

Are we lucky enough to see PPetrelli get whacked and not come back to the show next season?

Are we gonna get more TAKEI or am I going to be pissed?

J, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

Is the comic book that everyone was referring to in the episode the real deal comic book? Why was it in black and white and stapled together?

This is the comic book that Isaac gave to the bike courier/fanboy before he died in the last episode. Remember, he told Sylar later he'd already passed on the information on how Sylar could be killed.

Clay, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

Sylar is the red herring though. Isaac says his last comic shows how to stop the bomb. But even though the comic shows Hiro chopping Sylar, Sylar is not the bomb. In the current timeline, Peter has already admitted he was the bomb. The only way for 'this' Hiro to stop the bomb in 'this' timeline is to kill/stop Peter. And future Hiro effectively made sure Peter can't be killed...

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 05:05 (eighteen years ago)

I finally got to see this. erm... holy shit. For all the shitty acting, and bad dialogue, who fucking cares? This was ridiculously excellent TV!

How come Parkman and Haitian didn't know Bizarro President Petrelli was Sylar?

^^yep. i don't see how Sylar could have acquired powers to stop Parkman from reading his mind all that time.

Roz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Ok so they saved the cheerleader. But Peter still blew up, Sylar still got away. They did change the future (Neo-Hiro: "I stabbed him but he regenerated".) - Sylar/Nathan doesn't have Claire's ability. So the future HAD changed.

The problem is Isaac. What had he seen? What did he draw? He makes this whole time travel thing really confusing. We know he drew Sylar's death at Hiro's hand. But Sylar killed Isaac, so surely Sylar would have seen his own death too and changed it. He saw himself as president in that painting, he knew how to get there.

I think petey there is right, it's Peter not Sylar that they have to stop from blowing up NY. But they also have to stop Sylar before he kills Nathan, Candace and DL (well, hopefully not DL).

Roz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)

argh. worst thing about time travel shows - makin' my brane hurt.

Roz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

The real trick is whether or not Hiro time travelled before or after Isaac drew the novel.

The convention used in this series is that the time traveler's perspective of events becomes independent of the timeline. When Hiro first teleports to NYC from Japan, he calls Ando in Japan and discovers he's been missing for 5 weeks or something, which is inconsistent with Hiro's perspective until he is able to time travel back. Same thing is going on in this episode, where Hiro is missing from that timeline for 5 years... The same effects would apply to Peter.

Note that both Isaac and Sylar with powers of prediction painted TWO different futures. One where Sylar is killed, one where Sylar is president. The one Sylar painted was *after* Hiro jumped to the future, so it's a timeline where Hiro doesn't exist and doesn't kill Sylar and everything gets bizarro.

UGH..

When Hiro visits Bennett, he says that he brought him Molly Walker, DL, and Candice for protection. Bennett says that he hands over the 'dangerous' ones to Parkman. Sylar obviously got DL and Candice's power, so I would assume he also got Molly Walker's power... But what is Molly Walker's power? In the new preview she is "the only one with the power to stop Sylar"... Maybe this power keeps Parkman and the Haitian from knowing Nathan is actually Sylar..

Also in the preview Mama Petrelli says "Be the one we need." Is Mama Petrelli from TEH FUTURE??

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Scar-Peter never absorbed Clair's power, though, right? Or he got them after acquiring the scar, at least.

I still say that exploding Peter in the vision is actually the mimic chick in disguise.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm. I can't think of any instance where Scar-Peter confirms/denies specifically that he has healing powers, but I think he implies it in his conversation w/ Niki. "You know what I can do..." "Nathan's plan.." etc. And if Sylar does not have healing powers, then it implies Scar-Peter did in fact save her at the Pep rally and has her powers. Sylar, Peter and Claire all converge at that point and either Peter or Sylar is walking away from it with Claire's abilities.

Mimic chick can't absorb nuclear Ted's powers so there are still only the original three candidates that can possibly go nuclear: Ted, Sylar, Peter.

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Are you sure? How far do her mimicking abilities go?

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

She doesn't mimic other heroes' abilities as far as I can tell, just their appearances. And she's not a regular shapeshifter either, she can also manipulate the appearance of the environment around her.

I hope the mention of Molly Walker means that there's gonna be an appearance by Parkman's old Scully-esque FBI partner. I liked her.

Roz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

Petey: I was following your explanation about time-travel in Heroes' but one thing bugs me. Basically, there are currently two timelines in which Peter blows up, and Sylar takes power:

a) they don't save the cheerleader, Sylar regenerates when neo-Hiro tries to kill him, Sylar escapes, Peter blows up, Sylar becomes President.

b) they save the cheerleader, effectively taking our Hiro out of the timeline while he travels 5 years into the future, Peter blows up, Sylar becomes President.

(b) is this week's episode - but they got one thing wrong: if Hiro has been missing for those 5 years, why is neo-Hiro part of that timeline? He has a whole backstory in it.

Roz, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just saying: we've seen other specials (basically our main characters) increase their powers through simple practice and experimentation. Maybe mimicgirl can learn to do more, too.

> And she's not a regular shapeshifter either, she can also manipulate the appearance of the environment around her.

New York didn't blow up at all! She just created the illusion!

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that's the paradox in (b). Either future Hiro shouldn't be surprised to see current Hiro show up at the loft, or no one should know who the hell future Hiro is because he's been gone for 5 years. It's unresolvable, but hey it's a TV show.

It's interesting that there have been instances where Hiro goes back in time and minor details happen but not major events: Charlie still dies despite Hiro going back to warn her, Bomb still explodes in the 'future'... The logic so far implies that Hiro cannot change events that have already happened on his 'natural' timeline. Current Hiro couldn't save Charlie by going back. Future Hiro couldn't stop the bomb by going back. But current Hiro can still stop the bomb that hasn't happened in his timeline yet (and he will). I doubt that timeline a) or b) will be anything like what happens in future seasons.

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

xpost Interesting bomb could be faked theory.

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

I hope the mention of Molly Walker means that there's gonna be an appearance by Parkman's old Scully-esque FBI partner. I liked her.


Oh ya! Good point! I love Psycop and FBI Girlfriend!

BTW, at first all this "Molly Walker" talk had me thinking "Molly Hayes" from Runaways, so I was all, "Cool X-over!"

Leee, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Sylar obviously got DL and Candice's power,

but did he? What if Sylartrelli is actually Peter? ScarfacePeter can't be Peter, because Peter would heal and not have the scar. What if ScarfacePeter is Sylar (who started nicking his power when Mohinder was nailed to the roof), but once Sylar took his mimic power off him, Peter used his Clairepower to heal himself and became Sylar/Nathan due to still being able to mimic Candace's power? Does this make sense? I haven't quite thought this through properly though.

ailsa, Thursday, 3 May 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

That's insane. RONG.

petey_carnum, Friday, 4 May 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

If this has been mentioned already, my bad, but: I'm thinking that Future PP intentionally KEPT the scar, as a reminder of what he (supposedly) did. It's also very flattering, which I'm sure was considered when he chose to keep it.

David R., Friday, 4 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kind of wondering if Peter's scar is somehow from Hiro's blade, like it deals unhealfromable wounds, it was forged in the fires of Mordor, +5 vs supers. Maybe the torn out page of 9th Wonders Future Hiro gave Ando shows Hiro Hiro slashing Peter and stopping him from exploding. Or something.

Now for the lolz, last week's episode ended with Hiro saying "now, the hard part". This week's episode's title? THE HARD PART.

nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

I almost forgot: I had a Heroes dream 2 nights ago! There were a series of ever-increasingly oddly-located parties where Sylar would show up, everyone would freak out, and I would use my power to get rid of him. My power was, um, let's call it "aquakenesis". I controlled the movement of water through physical space. I slammed Sylar in the face with 1-gal waterjugs, turned a creek into a tidal wave, etc. I didn't realize until morning I was basically waterbending (from my other favorite tv show) but in an awkward and groping manner, rather than the martially artistic style seen in Avatar.

nickalicious, Monday, 7 May 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

it's a premonition.

Roz, Monday, 7 May 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

it's a promotion.

David R., Monday, 7 May 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Damn, I really hoped that Peter was going to blow up.

J, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, Peter's a bro! You crazy!

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

Did I miss the part where Sylar learned to make freezy-freeze?

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

That was one of his earliest powers, he used it on one of Molly Walker's parents!

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

I also see some ominous foreshadowing about season two, that leads me to believe it is going to suck ass. I hope I'm wrong, though.

J, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

So was Molly Walker's power not working at all or just not developing/growing due to her sickness? And did I get that right, Suresh DID find an antibody? This show finally has it's Prof X, at least. I like that she called Sylar "the Boogieman".

I almost felt bad for Sylar in this, I mean, he at least tried...what I want to know though is how he unfroze Hiro's timestop? He didn't eat Peter's brain, but he was in there for a second, could he have maybe picked up a trace amount of empathy?

And Peter's totally not going to blow up, not yet. Claire will shoot him in the head like she promised. Maybe her whole superhero career will be to follow Peter around and kill him when he gets too dangerous. What Peter & Ted need to do now that they've met is get the hell out of NYC, but that would be anticlimactic and boring.

Also a big WAU at the scope of Candice's abilities beyond shapeshifting, I didn't see that coming (although she did make Simone's dead body disappear once upon a time). I'm thinking her getting Sylared would be a very bad thing.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

yeah well that's how he was nathan petrelli in the future!

cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

Exactly! It's one of the important things they need to change to protect the future.

So I wonder who Sylar's daddy is? I bet he's either another secret Petrelli offspring or a Linderman oopsybaby haha. Or should I say haha question mark!?? I think he mentioned once that his daddy was also a clockmaker/fixer, but that might not have been his real dad.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

I almost felt bad for Sylar in this, I mean, he at least tried...what I want to know though is how he unfroze Hiro's timestop? He didn't eat Peter's brain, but he was in there for a second, could he have maybe picked up a trace amount of empathy?

I was thinking that Hiro was so flustered about doing the deed that he broke his concentration.

The Molly Walker frozen parent thing happened in an earlier episode? Where the hell have I been?

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

Maybe Sylar didn't resist Hiro's timestopper power so much as Hiro lost his concentration..

I vaguely remember Sylar having some kind of resistance to Eden's suggestion power many episodes back. So maybe this 'understanding' power of his also let's him understand how to not be affected by powers.

I need to look back at the past couple of episodes, but I think the future comic had dialogue when it was handed off to bike messenger guy. Interesting if the dialogue is erased...

Sylar kills his mother... but I wish she had some superpowers that he'd taken... So far all families have some kind of connection with superpowers and/or the organization, and this seems kind of inconsistent. But maybe he's adopted??

Suresh IS the antibody! The connection between him and Molly Walker was very well done.

Some serious Joseph Campbell points were being thrown around this episode that I hadn't noticed before.

Also: Linderman and Mama Petrelli are in cahoots! Hiro fucked up his sword!

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

I would also like to say that I would kill millions of baby seals if HBO (or Showtime; I ain't picky) greenlit a series based on Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol.

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

I hope this becomes so popular that they split it into different serieses altogether. Heroes, Heroes - Ancestors (reaching from young Linderman/Sulu/et al to as far back as whoever that samurai was that Hiro got his sword from [who you know has to be an ancestor of his]), Heroes - Descendents (with grown up Molly Walker and Micah and Parkman's kid etc).

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oh hey what was the deal with the star picture Molly gave Suresh? I almost think Molly is trying to hint Suresh into figuring out he also has an ability, one that could fuck Sylar up.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that was what i was thinking - Suresh totally has some sort of ability right, if he's carrying an anti-body around, and his sister had powers too? I thought that the star picture is to help her find him if he gets into trouble - she said she only has to think about someone to find them.

Hiro fucked up his sword!

When that happened, I thought "Linderman's gonna be fucking pissed."

Roz, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

lol "carrying an anti-body around", makes him sound like he's walking around with a book or something.

Roz, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

Mohinder's power = to look TOTALLY HOTT when he doesn't shave.

&, what, no one's mentioning the scene from the NEXT WEEK preview w/ Hiro's dad taking a sword to Hiro!?!??!?!?

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

"you can fly? that's cool."

cutty, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Hayden P-Bear is not long for this show (@ her current rate of pay), if she keeps up this "acting" thing.

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

haha Nathan's shrug @ "you can fly?" was hilarious. Like, DUUUUH.

&, what, no one's mentioning the scene from the NEXT WEEK preview w/ Hiro's dad taking a sword to Hiro!?!??!?!?

Yeah that! I think it was Hiro's sword, but it was fixed! I figure either by Sulu's power or maybe somehow he meets Ted between now and then and Ted hand forges that shit. Either way I think it is going to be a long-due ancestry + powers talk.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

When I saw the Sulu preview bit, I thought that Sulu is actually some far future Hiro coming back to raise himself in the ultimate Grandfather paradox. But I expect this not to be the case.

The scenes of the city barricades and Sylar on the rooftop made me think the finale will be some Akira style endgame action.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

The Molly Walker frozen parent thing happened in an earlier episode? Where the hell have I been?

Molly Walker was the girl in the wall that Parkman heard thinking when his powers first manifested, and when we first saw HOTT FBI GIRLFRIEND.

I need to look back at the past couple of episodes, but I think the future comic had dialogue when it was handed off to bike messenger guy. Interesting if the dialogue is erased...

I remember it having both dialogue and color, which was why I was so confused when it showed up in black and white last week. I felt like the whole thing was a mislead, but maybe I'm just crazy.

Some serious Joseph Campbell points were being thrown around this episode that I hadn't noticed before.

true dat.

I would also like to say that I would kill millions of baby seals if HBO (or Showtime; I ain't picky) greenlit a series based on Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol.

even more true dat. like the truest dat thing ever, pretty much.

Yeah that! I think it was Hiro's sword, but it was fixed! I figure either by Sulu's power or maybe somehow he meets Ted between now and then and Ted hand forges that shit. Either way I think it is going to be a long-due ancestry + powers talk.

I couldn't figure out why Sylar broke the sword in two instead of turning it into a blob of uncohered liquid metal using the cool power he stole a few eps back. Maybe the reason is PLOT REQUIREMENT!

J, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't figure out why Sylar broke the sword in two instead of turning it into a blob of uncohered liquid metal using the cool power he stole a few eps back.

Because he had just been using his freezing power? I like how the apartment was magically dry and spotless after he turned it into a fucking snowglobe.

Roz, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Oh and why can't Linderman heal Molly Walker?

Roz, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Sylar telekinetically shoveled the snow after hurting his mom! Like a good boy!

David R., Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Because he had just been using his freezing power?

Well, yeah, but what's the point of having a cool metalblobmaking power if you ain't gonna USE it?

J, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah dunno. Too much for the CGI team to handle?

Roz, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

Too much for Sylar to handle? He's only had that power a little while, vs freeze power which we are to assume was one of his first.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

haha that first sentence was supposed to end in a period, not a question mark.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

I liked the theme music for Sylar's mom!

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 20:20 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the scene with Sylar's mom was fairly moving--though the image of her inside the giant snowglobe was rich in DC-style po-faced absurdity.

Sparkle Motion, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 05:27 (eighteen years ago)

Haha.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/chapter32_ee.jpg

Roz, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 06:19 (eighteen years ago)

Mama Petrelli at the end of this last episode is actually shapeshifter Candice. Nathan starts out the conversation with "I wasn't expecting you until later..."

I'm not sure where mind erased Bennett's loyalties are with Linderman. Linderman is promising a bomb, but the fact is he doesn't have Ted under his control. Linderman needs to lure the bomb guy (let's just assume Ted is the only one) to NYC. Bennett is guiding Parkman and Ted to NYC to destroy the "Walker Project" (Molly Walker). So is Bennett in on the Linderman bomb plan or is he being played by the organization?

petey_carnum, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

I think Linderman's showing non-mutant POWER by orchestrating the whole BOMBO plot without the pawns realizing they're being played. Anyway, they're all in NYC now anyway, so MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

The scenes of the city barricades and Sylar on the rooftop made me think the finale will be some Akira style endgame action.

ANDOOOOOOOO!
HIIIIROOOOO!
TESTUOOOOOO!
SULUUUUUUUU!

I was hoping that once Peter started manifesting, he'd fly to outerspace or something so he could harmlessly explode.

Molly Walker was keeeyuuuute! ^ ^ (As was Mohinder in their scenes.) So much better than all other emo "Waaaah I have powers? I want to be normal (and marry a busboy with frosted hair)" whinging. Somebody (HI HIRO) needs to drop some SPIDEY SENSE on Claire "Bear." Also, when's Sureshter going to ask her to find Boogerman Sylar? I guess: next week!

Leee, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

Mama Petrelli at the end of this last episode is actually shapeshifter Candice. Nathan starts out the conversation with "I wasn't expecting you until later..."

Ha! Good call. One thing that irks me about this show is the complete disregard for moving through time & space (for all non-Hiro characters)--if the story needs somebody to show up in a scene it will be so, regardless of the fact that 2 scenes prior they were thousands of miles away. They did this a bunch with Bennett, Eric Roberts & Wifi Girl, and now more than likely Candice.

I'm not sure where mind erased Bennett's loyalties are with Linderman. Linderman is promising a bomb, but the fact is he doesn't have Ted under his control. Linderman needs to lure the bomb guy (let's just assume Ted is the only one) to NYC. Bennett is guiding Parkman and Ted to NYC to destroy the "Walker Project" (Molly Walker). So is Bennett in on the Linderman bomb plan or is he being played by the organization?

I suspect that Bennett neither knows about the bomb plan or that ending the Walker project means capping a cute little kid. As Parkman discovered, "this guy's middle management." They're making Bennett a bit too much of a good guy for me now--I liked him better when he was a bit more sinister.

Sparkle Motion, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

Mama Petrelli at the end of this last episode is actually shapeshifter Candice. Nathan starts out the conversation with "I wasn't expecting you until later..."

Hadn't thought of that! I like where they're going with her character but I am hating having to second guess every scene, wondering if the characters involved were really themselves or actually her. Plus what a cake job for that actress, she only has to appear in 1/3 of her own scenes.

I think my favorite part of this episode was Ando's *GULP*.

nickalicious, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure about DL being able to take Jessica through a wall with him, though I suppose it's fair enough if Hiro can transport anyone he's touching.

Does that mean flying power can be shared through touch (and clothes) too? Or invincibility, that would make for some really long fights.

onimo, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:31 (eighteen years ago)

Flying can be shared by holding onto a passenger.
Invincibility can be shared by shielding someon else with your invulnerability.

As for DL taking Jessiki through the wall with him, maybe his power affects walls and other objects, not himself.

Leee, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

Invincibility can be shared by shielding someon else with your invulnerability.

What I meant was that if it could be shared through touch, like Hiro's teleportation, it would be a waste of time for an invincible person to punch anyone as the invincibility would transfer with every blow and no-one would ever get hurt.

The flying thing has already been answered, kind of. Nathan said he couldn't hold Pete until Pete starting flying too. So it wasn't an instant transfer of weightlessness or whatever.

onimo, Thursday, 10 May 2007 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

I was being tongue-in-cheek about the first two abilities. :)

More seriously (as serious as you can get when you're talking about >GULP< Heroes), if abilities could be shared by touch, the specialness of dudes like Sylar and Peter would be undermined if not redundant. Thus, nope!

Leee, Thursday, 10 May 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Not entirely, because Sylar and Peter get to keep their acquired abilities whereas the travelling with Hiro thing only works while he's touching you, or your jacket.

onimo, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

There was a "Save the cheerleader, save the world" line on ER last week, after a surgeon saved a cheerleader.

onimo, Thursday, 10 May 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

Propose a swap of Eric Roberts for Stanley Tucci.

scampering alpaca, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

In a "Archie meets the Punisher" sense, how about using Sylar to de-brain the next "Law and Order" actor looking to leave the series? I sense crossover potential!

scampering alpaca, Thursday, 10 May 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

How many times has Mohinder swept all the stuff off his table in a fit of despair?

Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

At least two times - he needs to make his snitfits a wee bit more convincing.

David R., Friday, 11 May 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

And so that he'll immediately find the answer to everything.

Roz, Friday, 11 May 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Image]

http://nbcumv.com/release_detail.nbc/nbcuniversaltelevision-20070514000000-nbcdeliversthequa.html

petey_carnum, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

dammit, I meant:

*NBC “bulks up” with 30 combined episodes of "Heroes" and “Heroes: Origins,” an innovative new spin-off that each week will introduce a new character -- one of whom will be chosen by viewers through the “Heroes” website on NBC.com to become a cast regular the following season.

petey_carnum, Monday, 14 May 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

TAKEI IS A NINJA

J, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 01:29 (eighteen years ago)

I knew there was a good reason not to trust electronic voting.

J, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

There go my hopes for an exploding Geico caveman spinoff.

J, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 01:47 (eighteen years ago)

lol Candice being a fat girl... Save it, haterz!

"This is your last thought!" <--- Bennett's one liner power is unstoppable.

So D.L. dies, which implies Sylar does not get his power like in alternate future...

Hiro/Sulu training montage!

Oh shit D.L. brain phaser attack!

This episode was awesome.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

THERE HAD BETTER BE PETER / SYLAR SUPERFITE ACTION NEXT WEEK NBC

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 05:26 (eighteen years ago)

While I am all for Pa Bennett getting face time & the best corny-ass dialogue, I think Nikki / Jessica had the best one-liner: "Didn't I throw you out of a window?"

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 05:28 (eighteen years ago)

You are veril, Nathan! VERIL!

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 09:51 (eighteen years ago)

mebbe Sylar can still power up from eating dead brains?

Garrett Martin, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

lol Hiro's VILLAIN catcall.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Also: the knife store dude's name was CLAREMONT! & he kinda looked like him, too!

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I liked that they just looked up the local swordsmith in the yellow pages.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

For a moment there I thought Ando was reaching for a tube of glue... oh nope, ahhh yellow pages. RIGHT.

btw they've left Isaac's body like that for like three days already. Surely a dead body with an open skull would have stunked up a storm by now. Or at least attracted some maggots. Yuck.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Ando's power is to fart different scents, & he's been covering up the dead body stench!

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

Useful.

Then again Isaac was a junkie, his loft has probably smelled worse.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Usually on television, if a character is mortally wounded but still breathing at the end of the episode, they live through it, so I think DL is going to live to squeeze brains another day.

Candice got way more interesting this episode. I wonder if we'll ever see what she really looks like; maybe when Sylar gets her brain the shot will pan out and it will actually have been a dude.

So I wonder now if daddy Nakamura actually has any powers at all? His comment about how he'd waited a long time for a Nakamura to "ascend" makes me think he and probably many generations of their family have been born without whatever divine gift Kensai (so obviously a Nakamura ancestor) was blessed with. Also I like to imagine that Hiro didn't become a swordmaster in a couple hours, but that he stopped time for their little Matrix homage.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe Ando's power is to fart different scents, & he's been covering up the dead body stench!


SO BANNED.

SO MUCH GOODNESS this episode.

- Jessiki wasn't horrible. OTM about her window zinger to Psychop.
- FBI Girlfriend! Ship ship ship!
- Micah contributes to juvenile feloniousness. He is bearable when he does crime.
- Mr. Bennet getting all 'ardcore. But I ;_; at the death of Eric Boberts.
- Battojutsu master Sulu Nakamura. About the arts of the katana, he knows "a thing or two!" His power: teaching! In the space of one episode!
- Serious Present Hiro > Serious Future Hiro.
- Sylar flips the paddywagon*, then flips Geico's lid, almost making me forget that he was taken out by a bulletin board**. (* It's really 24, but still, I'm for anything that gives Sylar edge.) (** OMG bulletin board = message board = META!!! The key to killing Sylar is US, THE FANS.)
- Peter and Claire, the Indestructible Duo! Lollers at Peter: "Last time I fought Sylar, he killed me." Ehn, sounded better out of his mouth.
- Candice is secret chubster!
- Haha sword repair haha.

And this dialogue (paraphrased):
BENNET: Are you ok with going to Bumfrak, Nebraska?
TED: Fine, I'm in.
SYALR (aside): AND SO AM I!!!


So cheesy! Yum~!

Dead Linderman gives me the T_T though.

I'm wary of a Peter/Sylar showdown now; they've put it off and teased it so often now that I'm afraid there's no way that they can possibly live up to expectations.

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

Hahahahaha I knew this was Greg Beeman episode from all the corny lines - he's also why Smallville is my secret guilty pleasure.

Bennett: *speech worthy of Dr. Cox on Scrubs*
Matt: Okay. A simple no would have worked too.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah good point about DL not being dead yet. Too bad, because I think he's an AWFUL actor. *something something something MY SON something something*

I think Kaito Nakamura is an immortal or something. "Waiting a long time for a Nakamura to ascend..." comment

So how about Ando going out on his own? Play that in with the "Hero must cut out his own heart." comment. Is Ando a great hero, or simply inspires Hiro to greatness. IF Ando dies, and I'm not sure he will, I think Sylar will mistake him for having Hiro's power. How many Japanese guys with samurai swords coming to kill Sylar could there possibly be?

Also how about Peter charging his hand nukes, Claire getting out the gun, and then and then... "wait I'm OK." haha anti-climatic

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:05 (eighteen years ago)

KILL ME KILL ME KILL ME wait hold on

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Hahah I loved that.

Maybe Pere Nakamura is Kensei!

I think Sylar will mistake him for having Hiro's power. How many Japanese guys with samurai swords coming to kill Sylar could there possibly be?


Aww come on, not all Japanese office drones look alike! ^^ Plus, Sylar can twig whether or not a schmoe has powers or not.

DL = dead as disco if Linderman is truly dead.

And I can't believe I forgot: RENA SOFER!

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Plus, Sylar can twig whether or not a schmoe has powers or not.

Poor cheerleader Jackie.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

If DL isn't dead, then I hope Sylar does get him.

And Nikki's back. Bleh. I preferred Jessica's thoroughly unconvincing dollar-sign eyes.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

D'oh! Why am I always wrong about this show?

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

But didn't Sylar's origin show him sensing the telekinetic powers his first victim had? I think the Jackie incident was him getting a little excited about getting new powers, & not bothering to check under the hood.

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah I'm just being annoying. Still, I think Sylar wouldn't hesitate to slice open the next guy who comes running at him with a sword. He just wouldn't bother with the brane-feasting.

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

I forgot... if Ando dies, in teh Isaac future drawing, his mangled body lies at the bottom of a building. ;_;

Roz, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Oooh oooh what about that NBC promo where Milo V. was talking casually to the camera about this or that WITH HIS FOREHEAD CUT OPEN???

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also I like to imagine that Hiro didn't become a swordmaster in a couple hours, but that he stopped time for their little Matrix homage.

WYLD STALLIONS RULE!

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

Dear Mohinder Suresh,

When you're sneaking up on a couple people, one of whom is intent on killing Little Girl, you should kayo the one with the gun!

When they returned to that scene after the initial Suresh/Bennett standoff, I was rilly rilly hoping that Parkman would wake up, only to be bonked on the head by Suresh again.

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Leee, they BOTH had guns! Where do you think Suresh got his?

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

In my defense, Parkman said he had no gun when he was out in the hallway. I guess he picked up EB's piece?

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Leee I think that M Ventimiggililgiglia interview was from a few episodes ago, back when Peter still had the forelock.

*something something something MY SON something something*
haha, accurate.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Pa Bennett CLEARLY gave Psycop Boberts' gun after sonning him in a lead beef.

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha I'm such a dizzy girl.

Leee, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

Make me a pot pie!

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

this show would be better if it was just Bennett shooting people in the head in-between prolonged Mexican stand-offs.

Garrett Martin, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

That's the 2nd spinoff - HEROES: I'M GONNA GIT YOU SUCKA

David R., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Hooray for anticipation. Tonight, the season finale!

scampering alpaca, Monday, 21 May 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

What are the odds of someone actually exploding tonight? I'm thinking so not gonna happen. Or maybe it does happen, but time gets reversed to make it not happen again, ha!

petey_carnum, Monday, 21 May 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

Hrm.

J, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 02:03 (eighteen years ago)

I, for one, was very disappointed when Hiro landed on that grassy hillside and we got Samurai instead off dinos.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 02:17 (eighteen years ago)

That wasn't the only disappointing thing.

J, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

Haha I want to start making some SYLAR LIVES t-shirts..

I thought it was great. I love all the stuff I was wrong about.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 02:46 (eighteen years ago)

So, now what - the governor appoints a congressman until a special election can be held?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 03:03 (eighteen years ago)

And what do you do if you're a cop assigned to investigate a missing congressional candidate who's literally disappeared from the face of the earth, with a wife who can suddenly miraculously walk and the rest of his family has gone on the run?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 03:05 (eighteen years ago)

The I DID IT moment was more than a little weak, but the rest (esp. Ando's mancrush moment) was pretty keen.

I got dibs on a SYLAR WAS RIGHT shirt, featuring a stencil of some dude w/ no scalp.

David R., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:37 (eighteen years ago)

For that matter, why did Nathan need to fly Peter out into space - couldn't Nathan have done it on his own?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

I thought that too, but my guess is that Peter can only use one power at a time, so he could not have flown while exploding.

Oblivious Lad, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

so who gets to sacrifice him/herself the next time Peter gets all hot and bothered and can't cool himself down?

Garrett Martin, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

and yeah, Parkman may not be dead, but I love how they maybe killed off two of the better actors and more interesting characters, while preserving the triangle (quadrangle?) of absolute suck that is Niki/Jessica, DL, and Micah.

Garrett Martin, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

Niki/Jessica is awesome!

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:07 (eighteen years ago)

> I thought that too, but my guess is that Peter can only use one power at a time, so he could not have flown while exploding.

If so, starting to fly would be a perfect way to stop himself from 'splodering. Yeah yeah, it doesn't work like that, whatever.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Peter couldn't try his exploding power, so I expect he couldn't control flying power either.

I'm not convinced Nathan is dead. He could have dropped Peter and flown to safety. I've been wrong before, but he seems like a strong enough character to warrant another season.

I really liked the part were Hiro saves Ando by teleporting him out of Sylar's clutches. He vanishes, Sylar does a double take and outside you here "Woohoo!"

Molly's lingering foreshadowing of more powerful character "who stares back at me" was pretty gratuitous given the moment in the scene.

Simone's dad! Mama Petrelli being firmly on the side of evil...

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

ahem Peter couldn't *control* his exploding power...

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

Couple of things:

1) This episode sucked for lack of payoff.
2) Nathan is probably dead, but Peter (sadly) isn't. Earlier in the episode Mama Petrelli made it clear that because Peter had absorbed Clair's ability, she knew he would recover. Moreover, in the alternate future episode, Peter admits that he was the one who blew up New York, not Sylar, and yet he's still around to talk about it.
3) Sylar crawling to the sewer is moronsville. If Sylar's still alive, what's to stop him from blowing up NYC anytime he wants? Sheesh.
4) Molly Walker even manages to make Suresh seem interesting.
5) "Noah"? Give me a BREAK.
6) We better have more Ando this fall.
7) Everybody noticed that the lone samurai warrior was TAKEI, right?

J, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

7) Well, DUH yes! Lone samurai = Kensai = Takei has lived for centuries

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

(and told his son about his exploits in the form of bedtime stories, hoping that this time this was the child who developed powers)

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

We still did not get the Sylar-Peter face-off we were supposed to get, just a pathetic punch-up. Fuck that.

Peter's definitely not dead, the same can't be said for Nathan, but I'm hoping they find some way to keep him alive. But man, you'd think they'd have not gone the flying-into-space route, fucking lame.

Is Sylar alive though? You'd think everybody else at the scene would've noticed if his body mysteriously disappeared... I think he's dead, and that's the end of Hiro's story wrt saving the world/avenging Charlie's death (aww).

Sulu = definitely immortal Kensei.

Roz, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

OTM Dan, I'm just excited that the dude might become a series regular.

J, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the person Molly meant by Boogieman/"he can see me" talk was Sylar. She said "he's already here", she was in Kirby Tower, he was down on the ground @ Kirby Plaza.

Also, it was kind of a cop out for knocked-out Candace to not be the fat uggo we were vaguely promised by last week's episode.

While the Peter/Sylar face-off was kind of a let-down, I thought the exploding Petrelli brothers' goodbye chat was really touching. And the music on this show is top notch.

I think this did well to set up what I hope are main characters in next season's "Generations": Micah, Molly, Nakamura/Kensai, DeVeaux (who I'm certain was of a posse with the Ma & Pa Petrelli & Linderman).

http://imgred.com/http://www.randomtuesday.com/pictures/heroes/123/tagteam.gif

nickalicious, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

how is DL standing at the end of this episode? Suresh must be one hell of a medic.

Roz, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

No Nick, Molly: "Not Sylar.. There is another..." etc

Charles DeVeaux is dead though right?

OTM Candice fatty letdown... Although we didn't see her face, so I guess there's still the possibility of her being disfigured.

Action was lacking I agree, but it delivered thematically 100%.

petey_carnum, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Ah I must have missed that line.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

How the hell did you miss that line?????????????????

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

1) This episode sucked for lack of payoff.

True, the anticlimax was annoying and a letdown, but I think for a series as cornball as this, story is actually secondary to the dorky, pulpy style. (Think of all the stupid or senseless plot developments in the past, and how we didn't care about their stupidity/senselessness.) Ergo, THIS EPISODE LOOKS BAD-ASS, i.e. AWESOMES.

Also, for once I was right. (Suck it, Sylar.)

3) Sylar crawling to the sewer is moronsville.

See 1).

4) Molly Walker even manages to make Suresh seem interesting.

:)

5) "Noah"? Give me a BREAK.

How it shoulda gone down:

PETER: Thanks, man.
BENNET: Please, call me Mr. Bennet.

Was I right again?

I was hoping that once Peter started manifesting, he'd fly to outerspace or something so he could harmlessly explode.

Still a k-cool image. The flying FX on this show always chill my spine.

Leee, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

I think HRG's name should have been Bennett Bennet.

J, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

Still a k-cool image. The flying FX on this show always chill my spine.

OTM - they get the sense of velocity just right. Also OTM - no fatty love.

As for the rest of it, I'll be hoping they found a way to keep Adrian Pasdar. He's too awesome to die.

Note also that DeVeaux's bit about Peter's capacity for unconditional love make him Teh One hasn't paid off yet, since in this case it was Nathan's love that saved the day etc etc.

All in all, the closest any episode has yet come to something actually happening.

Aside from Season Two Big Bad waiting in wings, does anyone else hope that Sylar's really gone simply because he's too lame to live? What happened to the yell-at-him-for-insta-win cheat, anyway?

rogermexico., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

I still am hoping something came out of the sewer and eated Sylar.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Lord willin'

rogermexico., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

Sadly, he's signed for next season...

rogermexico., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

ACTING!

David R., Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:34 (eighteen years ago)

he was solid as Tori Spelling's li'l buddy

Garrett Martin, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

Zachary Quinto is watchable on the basis of his eyebrows alone.

I rewatched some scenes from this (the one with Molly with the "scarier than the Boogieman" line I misinterpretted, Peter's dreamwalk)...I don't think DeVeaux was the scarier baddie who could see Molly, his speech about Peter's compassion and how there always has to be a good one etc are too obvious I AM A GOOD GUY tv talk. I like to think it will be someone we've never met before (who maaaaybe dragged Sylar down into the sewer and maaaaaybe might've been visible in the flashes Sylar had before going white-eyed).

As for the dreamwalk/talk with DeVeaux...it seems too similar to Suresh's dream/visionquest earlier in the series to not be intentional. I have probably mentioned this already but I think Suresh, unbeknownst to himself, has some kind of dream-travel/-exploration ability, and Peter has mooched this. It is also possible he mooched this power from DeVeaux himself, but the style of the dream itself was just too similar to Suresh's for me.

nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

Suresh was doing the dreamwalking thing because of a young boy in India whose power was to go into people's dreams and show them images in response to the burning questions in their conscious and subconscious brains.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

Right, in one of the creepiest scenes ever broadcast on mainstream tv.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

one of the creepiest scenes ever broadcast on mainstream tv.

http://heim.etherweave.com/weblog/archives/twinpeaks-thumb.jpg

Distantly, maybe.

Clay, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

I mean the scene where Suresh approaches a little boy in the street and tells him, unprompted, "You're a very special child!" not the dream sequence itself. It had that unselfaware molester vibe that even surrealist horror like Twin Peaks can't really compete with. YMMV, natch.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

We don't know specifically though that it was that kid's power that allowed them to meet in dreams though, do we? I don't remember really clearly, but he (the kid) doesn't actually ever say "hey guy my power is to get in yr dreams", does he? I only remember that he had some wisdom Suresh needed and that people often sought him out. When they actually spoke it was IRL.

btw Is that how "sought" is spelled?

nickalicious, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

So the flashes in Sylar's eyes were all of his victims as he killed them. The last flash is himself right there in the street, dying. I'm not sure what to read into it.. Maybe he is dead.. maybe he is just losing all of the powers he gained..

petey_carnum, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

It would make sense that if both Peter and Sylar survive, they should have their powers neutered. The writers would have a hard time keeping up with these snowballing powers in the long run I think.

petey_carnum, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

We don't know specifically though that it was that kid's power that allowed them to meet in dreams though, do we? I don't remember really clearly, but he (the kid) doesn't actually ever say "hey guy my power is to get in yr dreams", does he?

The entire reason Mohinder was looking for the kid was because the kid's name and picture were found in a dossier that also described his dreamwalking powers. They just showed this in the Heroes marathon on SciFi this past weekend so it's fresh in my memory.

HI DERE, Thursday, 24 May 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm

J, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Did you write that article?

Leee, Wednesday, 30 May 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

Nossir. I actually think it's a bit ridiculous.

J, Thursday, 31 May 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

Yah, I didn't think that was you, but I wanted to cover all my bases just in case. Has the author written a lot of stuff for them before, because Seriously, I think my little blog bit is way better and I should write for them for loads of dosh.

Leee, Thursday, 31 May 2007 01:55 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I actually like the author's political writings, generally. He's fairly decent: http://www.juancole.com/.

But your post was WAAAAAAAY better, and I vote for Leee as new loads-of-dosh Salon columnist. Maybe Douglas can get you an interview!

J, Thursday, 31 May 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks J! Hi Douglas!

Leee, Thursday, 31 May 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Veronica Mars is a special!

Leee, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

Another interview here.

Season 1 Heroes dvd set out next week, here in the U.S. Between that and the Twin Peaks Gold box, that's a couple winter weekends of viewing.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

That sound you hear is me breaking the time barrier to get in line for the Comic-Con Heroes panel yesterday.

Leee, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

However, I do not know if I could ever forgive Ronni if she ever turned out to be eeeevil.

Leee, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

Has everyone else been following the web comic graphic novel? They've taken care of the 'Candace = uggo revelation' letdown mentioned above, plus added backstory on the Haitian and Claude the invisible man, among others. Good stuff during the summer hiatus.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:36 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

ONE WEEK LATER!

Leee, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

THIS IS THE "COOL" THREAD, REMEMBER??

Memo to Claire "Bear":
PLEASE STOP MANGLING YOURSELF. IT IS DISGUSTING. ALSO, GROWING A NEW TOE IS PRETTY DISGUSTING.

Leee, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

POOR MR. MUGGLES!!! ;_;

Leee, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Memo to everyone else: you are pretty boring. More 16 year olds mangling themselves for fun.

Also: Clair didn't quite manage to get it out, but she was moving toward the Big Question of how badass her healing powers are: Clair can grow a new toe, no biggie. But can her toe grow a new Clair?

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

The toe effect reminded me of "Virtuosity".

Did anyone watch "The Big Bang Theory" yesterday, with its debate over Kryptonian skin cells, etc.? In that nerdly spirit, would guess that since they've shown Claire's brain as key to her powers (when she fell on the chunk of wood and temporarily died), since the severed toe has no brain, it's just a dead toe.

Not that it wouldn't be cool to have a Claire/toe progressively grow over the season, scuttling around the house.

And again, reading the NBC website comix is helping with the various backstories.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

Man those comics cover a lot of ground. If only they weren't in annoying PDF/Flash formats, it's taking me forever to get through them.

Nhex, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Any opinions on the new season? Seems like it's struggling to find its 2nd season legs, and light on the moments of "whoa". Parkman, Mohinder, and Peter in particular all seem to be following Ebert's idiot rule, with poor decisions that lead to predictable consequences.

Still confident that this season will gain traction. But Hiro needs to return, the threat of senior Parkman needs to be clarified, etc.

scampering alpaca, Thursday, 25 October 2007 21:27 (eighteen years ago)

Daddy Parkman is awesome and I am happy that Veronica Mars' power is MELTING FACES. I am not so happy about Micah's cute-ectomy and annoy-oplasty.

HI DERE, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's just the same old shit (but in a good way). Twas ever nonsensically thus, i.e. it's still fun.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 25 October 2007 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

This season's starting out pretty slow, but remember, so did last year's. I remember I was on the verge of quitting the show very early on, but sometime around the sixth or so episode it finally started to pick up. The show still has the same problem, which is that every storyline inches forward so amazingly slowly, but it's redeemed eventually by one really solid episode (or even one good storyline) every so often.

I doubt Pops Parkman will last very long, though. His character seems to be the kind that's too obviously evil and out there, so he can be destroyed by the "real bad guy" of the season. The revelation that mind reading leads to crazy psycho powers was pretty good, though, leads to some new doors later.

Nhex, Thursday, 25 October 2007 23:12 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting a strong feeling of Deja Vu from the crappeanuts of these early episodes, too, and I'm hoping that soon we'll get one of those redeeming moments. I'm growing steadily more dubious, though, since I don't recall it ever being quite this bad (or stagnant) before.

Oilyrags, Friday, 26 October 2007 01:35 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

One of the best comic chapters I've seen, up now at the NBC site: Chapter 66, The ten brides of Kenzei.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

three months pass...

Come on back (and make with less suck)!

David R., Tuesday, 15 April 2008 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

was it on last night? I didn't think of it till today.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 14:44 (seventeen years ago)

Not coming back for a while, I think -- fall, maybe?

David R., Tuesday, 15 April 2008 14:46 (seventeen years ago)

September 15. 1 hr clip show, 2 hr premiere, according to herosite.net. That offshoot show, not happening, right?

And yes, please with the less suck.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

If we can get some nazi brain transplant gorillas, that'd be just dandy.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

...the online comics are still going? Oh no. Now I have to go through another afternoon of reading them through their crappy flash player...

Nhex, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 17:04 (seventeen years ago)

Curious to see how (or if) the tv show integrates the number of new characters they're introducing in the online comics. I'm a fan of "hit the ground running" storytelling, so don't mind if they drop these new folk in without tv backstories.

Man, I sadly just remembered the New Orleans storyline. As sucky as the plague siblings.

Does anyone care if Nikki is deceased?

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 15 April 2008 20:47 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

IT'S BACK

and I think the show-makers need to watch The Wire a little closer -- the guy playing one of the VILLAINS is Jamie Hector (aka Marlo Stanfield), NOT Andre Royo (aka Bubbles).

TS: Brundle-Suresh vs. Nikki On Ice

David R., Tuesday, 23 September 2008 03:49 (seventeen years ago)

Season ain't over yet. Look for bubs in a month or so ;-)

rogermexico., Tuesday, 23 September 2008 23:23 (seventeen years ago)

Hector is tearing it up.

Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 01:12 (seventeen years ago)

This season's gotten off to a much better start than last year! Though I am also kind of glad this time travel arc will probably (hopefully?) be down by the mid season when they do the next volume.

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 03:31 (seventeen years ago)

this season premiere was my first experience w/the show and seeing the boy marlo was a pleasant surprise

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 06:59 (seventeen years ago)

CARL JUNG

Disco/Very (Roz), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:41 (seventeen years ago)

lol creepy uncle scenes with milo v and hayden p.

Disco/Very (Roz), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:43 (seventeen years ago)

Check it: Andre Royo sighting!

my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 04:31 (seventeen years ago)

i hate watching this show

bnw, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 05:07 (seventeen years ago)

I was wondering when Bubs was gonna show up - I did notice in the first or second ep when the mistakenly credited him as a guest star... too bad that's probably it for him! It was better than his Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles spot, at least.

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 05:08 (seventeen years ago)

What bnw said, though the 1-2 punch of puppet master & Daddy Petrelli looks promising in a Claire-versus-nuclear-guy manner (though JESUS CHRIST getting a producer / writer to think through plot shit & write non-moronic dialogue would be awesome).

David R., Tuesday, 14 October 2008 07:13 (seventeen years ago)

Also, if that's all for Royo, then I call bullshit.

David R., Tuesday, 14 October 2008 07:14 (seventeen years ago)

Already better than last year, but with low expectations, not surprised it's improved.

So Hiro digs up Adam, who's had a centuries-old vendetta, and Adam's helping him why? Sylar's helping HRG & the Company because he's trying to redeem himself? Claire & her natural mom are blundering in over their heads, why? Too much idiocy. And Suresh and Maya are unwatchable, so at least there's a good excuse to jump over to "The Big Bang Theory" and "How I Met Your Mother"

Personnally frustrating, the scope of Peter and Sylar's abilities is often forgotten - i.e. unless I missed it, the first person that Suresh led Sylar to had super-hearing, but in last night's ep, Sylar doesn't appear to hear HRG tell the black hole guy to kill him. Like Smallville, they forget the ability to service the story. WRITE A BETTER STORY. If the answer is that most folk don't notice things like that, my guess would be they do catch sloppy storytelling, if not consciously.

If they'd trawl the fan sites and offer a credit, I'm sure they'd find many folk willing to track the continuity to call BS.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 16:18 (seventeen years ago)

considering many of the Heroes staff also worked on Smallville, that's not much of a surprise. I wish I wasn't so much of a sucker for these type of shows - Smallville is totally a guilty pleasure of mine; so so terrible all over but I can't seem to stop and it looks like it's gonna be the same for Heroes. Expect overuse of the reset button, characters-in-conflict repeating their issues to each other ad nauseum (eg HRG/Claire: "I'm trying to protect you!" "Stop trying to protect me!"), constant whining about superpowers, convenient amnesia.

Disco/Very (Roz), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 15:23 (seventeen years ago)

Dear HBO: cut the shit w/ middling half-hour comedies & get on my Moz-era Doom Patrol drama idea already!

David R., Wednesday, 15 October 2008 15:38 (seventeen years ago)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2961868122_acc49b3aa4_o.jpg

Nhex, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

Great ending to last night's episode, especially the fate of Adam - didn't see that coming!

Nhex, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:48 (seventeen years ago)

It's deteriorated to the point where I'm amusing myself by checking if McDowell is actually in the same room with any of his co-stars. Very seldom, it seems.

There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

^OTM, re: Adam. Reminded me of Charlie, where they invested in the character, and then snipped that thread.

Mohinder remains the most "meh" character for me. Was happy with Maya's acting in yesterday's episode, too. SpeedGirl is growing on me, though what sort of age gap is there between her and Parkman? I'm guessing 24 vs. 34? It just doesn't look right, kind of like Marsden and Janssen in the X-Men movies.

FYI, Volume 4 (Season 3, second half) is called "Fugitives", and is casting now according to AICN.

Any opinions re: Sylar's shift into a struggling powers addict? I wouldn't have based his new persona on his addiction. It would have been better if he'd joined up with Mr. Petrelli and been forced into decency gradually. They spent a half-season last year establishing his nastiness when powerless, so this change seems unearned.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 21:31 (seventeen years ago)

I agree it might have been better if it was done more gradually. But on the other hand, I was pretty sick of Evil Serial Killer Sylar by the end of last season, it seemed like that character was a dead end - he gets his powers back, then just goes back to what he was doing in season 1? But it was pretty ballsy for them to give him Claire's power right off the bat.

I basically bought the transformation because what drove his character was this insecurity brought on my his horrid mother - waking up to find out who his real mother is (powerful, compassionate, has powers, non-judgmental), must have been like a fairytale come true for Gabriel. Plus, Sylar + Bennett buddy cop hijinks were amusing. The addiction angle itself maybe could have been differently/better, though.

Nhex, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 02:32 (seventeen years ago)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2961868122_acc49b3aa4_o.jpg

^ I was wondering how long it would take before the gifs started showing up. Clearly pandering to their base.

my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 22 October 2008 22:51 (seventeen years ago)

Folks in awe of S1 and shitting on the rest of the series (cf. the majority of loons on the ILE threads) really need to check themselves. If anything, S3 is matching S1's qualitative pacing (in terms of starting slowly, to be kind, and eventually ramping up to The Good Stuff).

David R., Wednesday, 22 October 2008 23:03 (seventeen years ago)

^^ OTM

my sweet coconut (rogermexico.), Thursday, 23 October 2008 06:21 (seventeen years ago)

Have they explained the Niki/Jessica/Tracy connection yet? Are they identical triplets or clones? I missed that.

And yeah, gripes aside, the plethora of powered folk has made this season a lot of fun.

Finally got around to watching the Season 1 DVD set, and enjoyed again how up until the end Nathan's choice wasn't clear - let the bomb explode or help his brother stop it? Watching in a short timeframe, enjoyed how each episode had either a good cliff-hanger or provided an emphatic plot point towards the overall arc.

Makes me want to buy the Season 2 set and see if it plays differently in rapid succession. Maybe the week-to-week wait was too strenuous on the various plots (resetting Peter, angsty Claire, Mohinder & Parkman vs. Parkman's dad, the plague siblings, and Hiro in the past)? Or maybe it'll just satisfy a completist itch.

scampering alpaca, Thursday, 23 October 2008 14:07 (seventeen years ago)

don't forget Irish bar wench unfortunately but conveniently stuck in some future that may no longer exist.

Disco/Very (Roz), Friday, 24 October 2008 16:38 (seventeen years ago)

^^^^^ btw I have not stopped laughing about this since it happened

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Friday, 24 October 2008 16:53 (seventeen years ago)

I forgot all about Caitlin. (I like that name.) They should've brought her back in the recent future-forward season 3 ep.

Like Reed Richards curing Ben Grimm, Pete'll never stop until he gets her back. Someday...

scampering alpaca, Friday, 24 October 2008 18:19 (seventeen years ago)

Peter seems to have completely forgotten that she exists! Lolololololololololololol.

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Friday, 24 October 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

It's truly a ridiculous plot hole that he just up and forgot about leaving that broad in the future... rumor has it that it will be addressed this season, but what can they do? That future doesn't exist anymore, so... it'll be a messy out.

Nhex, Friday, 24 October 2008 22:38 (seventeen years ago)

Peter re-engineers the virus then painstakingly recreates the exact circumstances of that timeline. conveniently, several subsequent episodes seem almost identical to season 2 episodes.

Alan Mindbender (Roberto Spiralli), Friday, 24 October 2008 22:52 (seventeen years ago)

Elle and Claire sure became fast friends! I'm a little disappointed that Claude didn't show up as kind of hinted at by the past week's online comic (I know it's unlikely they'll get Eccleston to return) but overall, good ep again this week. Nice to see all the characters reconverging.

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 05:26 (seventeen years ago)

I missed the part where Matt saves himself and Daphne from being killed. I saw him get punched through the chest, but then he was okay again. What did he do?

Mordy, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 05:35 (seventeen years ago)

It was a big psyche-out, a Jedi mind trick on Knox, Parkman Sr.-style.

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 06:31 (seventeen years ago)

Ah. He made Knox think that he had killed Matt. I kinda figured that's what happened.

Mordy, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 06:41 (seventeen years ago)

I have achieved absolute apathy about this show.

There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 16:27 (seventeen years ago)

yeah, last night's episode was a goody. this season has been very untidy in a way first season wasn't, but it's starting to come together.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

I've really liked the way they're using Zachary Quinto in the show. He's one of my favorite actors in Heroes, and I had hoped from the beginning that he wouldn't simply be this one-shot villain. They're doing some nice stuff this season with evolving him from a villain to a major player.

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 08:26 (seventeen years ago)

He's the only character they're still using correctly on this show.

Hiro and Ando are little more than caricatures now, Claire is wangsty and annoying, and I miss smarmy Captain America Nathan - his finding God subplot was so bloody unconvincing.

Disco/Very (Roz), Wednesday, 29 October 2008 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

This week's Entertainment Weekly has a cover article on Heroes, and includes these out of character actions on their list of things in need of correction. According to the article, the actors have been frustrated with this same issue, but have been told that the stories will service the direction of the show.

I haven't read the webcomix for a few months. Maybe there's some backstory there I'm missing?

Agreed about Claire - she should be more than the Kim Bauer of the show.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 15:57 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/arts/television/10hero.html

Execs apparently got really upset by the EW story and fired Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander.

Disco/Very (Roz), Monday, 10 November 2008 20:04 (seventeen years ago)

execs otm

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 02:52 (seventeen years ago)

Thoughts re: yesterday's episode?

OTM, the Zachary Quinto comments above. He's become a highlight of the show. One of the better Kristen Bell episodes, too.

Is it better to not have über-powerful characters, or to have über-powerful characters taken out of commission as both Peter & Hiro have been, these last two seasons? (Angela Petrelli, too - taken out this season like Professor X in the first X-Men movie.) Strikes me like a generic cop-out, to avoid writing a stronger story that renders the characters helpless in other ways.

Suresh, much better as a powered evil scientist, although it still seems he wants to act evil but be angsty about his choices.

Curious how they'll deal with Papa Petrelli. The father appears to permanently steal the powers, while Sylar's able to duplicate them. If/when defeated, will the powers revert to their original owners, or will folk like Peter get new powers?

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 17:43 (seventeen years ago)

i've forgotten what an actually good episode of heroes is like but i think this was one! i did not feel like bludgeoning any character for once. well except for Hiro but his bit paid off with them discovering Isaac's last comic which was a nice touch. the ending with the two opposing factions looking all X-men-y was great too.

so sylar's actually had Peter's empath power all along?

Disco/Very (Roz), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 19:05 (seventeen years ago)

Apparently they're left-brain/right-brain versions of the same thing. Peter just had to fix the watch etc etc

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 20:05 (seventeen years ago)

but watch-fixing is hungry work

Passenger 57 (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 20:06 (seventeen years ago)

Probably Bell's best episode of the series. Solid ep, though it feels like it's been three or more episodes straight with this sort of reconvening of characters together. I think Team Mom vs. Team Dad is kind of set by now. Though kind of amusing ("the Hulk is red?"), hopefully Hiro gets his memory back quickly.

Btw, w/regards to Peter's girlfriend last year, looks like they're just gonna drop it completely. I could've sworn they said when the season started that they were going to come back to that, but oh well.

Nhex, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 03:10 (seventeen years ago)

With regard to that timeline being lost, given that the X-Men continue to circle the "Days of Future Past" and Apocalypse futures, why not have Caitlin show up having taken the powers formula, with good or bad result, and now she's back for revenge or romance?

Or maybe there's a character like the Koontz book "From the Corner of His Eye", who can walk between alternate timelines, and brings her back?

Deal with it using the online comic, even. I need closure, people!

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:14 (seventeen years ago)

nononono leave her in limbo! hahahahahahaha Peter sux

Black Seinfeld (HI DERE), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:16 (seventeen years ago)

I'm glad they gave Hiro a reason to be cloying and cute now!

bnw, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 17:17 (seventeen years ago)

Slow to find this, but CBR does a weekly Q&A with the Heroes folk. This week answers a few questions I had.

Caitlin reminds of Claremont's writing, where he'd write something mysterious, then five years later (if ever), you'd get an explanation.

HAHA - it's even got a name, the Claremont Coefficient.

scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

ah the internet black hole known as tvtr0pes.org

Disco/Very (Roz), Thursday, 20 November 2008 04:50 (seventeen years ago)

why is seth green on heroes

nurse blorbius (jeff), Thursday, 20 November 2008 17:46 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, fastest lapsed heel turn ever...

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 08:09 (seventeen years ago)

That threw me, too, unless it's Sylar going deep cover.

Kring says here that Caitlin is gone, daddy, gone, never to return.

Isaac is prolific for a dead man. Unless Hiro's Season 1 origin issues followed the current Season 3 issues.

Is anyone watching the "Destiny" webisodes? Figured I'd check those out at lunch today.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:01 (seventeen years ago)

Also, now anticipating a "Run, Daphne, run!" Gump moment, when she regains her powers.

scampering alpaca, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:08 (seventeen years ago)

Last night was the first time in weeks - maybe all year - I didn't feel like a dumbshit wasting my time for watching this.

UEK - Big Tempin' (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)

I'm wondering since Pushing Daisies has been cancelled whether Bryan Fuller will go back to Heroes. The guy should probably be given the showrunner's job since he actually makes good shows (that no one watches) and he was responsible for the two best episodes of season 1 - the one where we first met Future Hiro and Heroes really took off after that and the HRG ep "Company Man".

besides, Tim Kring, aside from coming off as being completely clueless about writing for TV, keeps doing stupid things like calling his audience saps and dipshits.

Disco/Very (Roz), Thursday, 27 November 2008 08:49 (seventeen years ago)

In that case, I think he was unfairly maligned, a little - in the full quote it does sound like he's joking. He was talking specifically about viewers not using DVR or Hulu to watch the show, anyway, when if he wanted to insult someone I'm sure it would've been the many fans who have criticized the show's storylines and characters for the past two years. And he at least admitted that season two was a mistake, though season three still had its own problems.

I'd MUCH rather have Bryan Fuller stay on the wonderful Pushing Daisies - it's such a shame it's over. It might be too late for Fuller to really save the show anyway, since at this point they've probably already shot a good portion of the rest of this season (even before Loeb and Alexander were fired). I do wonder if there's an alternate universe where Kring and NBC decided to actually stick to the original plan, which was to have new characters every season. Maybe they can still do this for season four...

Nhex, Saturday, 29 November 2008 06:09 (seventeen years ago)

he could have chosen his words better, but it's also not the first time he's said something like this - there was that thing last season where he said the audience were just not getting it, which ended with him having to apologize for the rest of season 2. Whatever the context, it's just a mistake to be calling his audience names, especially the ones who are not watching it online, and are therefore actually contributing to his show's failing ratings. and James Poniewozik's response in that post otm about the generally positive effect that time-shifting has had on the quality of TV drama.

I just think Kring doesn't really get how to balance audience expectations with his own vision for the show. for instance, he talks about network/fans falling in love with certain actors/characters and being forced to keep them on but ultimately the decision to do so is his to make. If anything, killing/getting rid of beloved characters can be a good way of getting audiences to engage with the show - the knowledge that there are real stakes involved, and that anything can happen.

Disco/Very (Roz), Saturday, 29 November 2008 07:31 (seventeen years ago)

I totally agree about the killing off of characters. Interestingly the third season of Lost was going through similar problems when Heroes debuted, with everything dragging along and plots in limbo because it seemed the writers didn't know where to go with them and/or were constrained by not knowing how long the series would go on. The following season, Lost fixed many problems of the show (helped by setting an end date) while Heroes has gotten bogged down in its own continuity and characters.

Nhex, Saturday, 29 November 2008 08:01 (seventeen years ago)

three months pass...

....and four months later.... finally. Tonight's was the Fuller return episode - it was decent, though it makes me wonder if they had to drag out the Rebel reveal for so long when we all could've guessed who it was. (Plus they pulled what has gotta be a rookie mistake by now by showing the guest star credit at the top of the episode) They actually did two fair character sendoffs in a single episode, though, I gotta give 'em credit - I really liked the Daphne one especially.

Nhex, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 02:09 (sixteen years ago)

wow two great episodes in a row

brocktune (jeff), Wednesday, 1 April 2009 05:19 (sixteen years ago)

Pretty decent ep tonight, I thought - not so much for the modern family drama but the 1961 story was pretty well done. The kid casting was excellent, the actress for young Angela Petrelli was particularly well cast.

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:43 (sixteen years ago)

eight months pass...

just started watching this show on dvd-rs my dad burned me last year

its pretty ok

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 06:34 (sixteen years ago)

i didn't watch s1, just jumped in with s2, and its pretty lol to me to see all the concurrent commentary like 'oh this season is SO jumbled and confusing' like guys is this really that hard to follow

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 06:54 (sixteen years ago)

Why would you do that? S1 was the only good season!

Also looking up at my old posts, so desperately trying to keep my own interest in this show going. By the ridiculous S3 finale I totally just gave up. Can't believe it was still 2009!

Nhex, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 07:14 (sixteen years ago)

gf & roomie out of town for the month and i found these dvd-rs in the closet lol

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 07:19 (sixteen years ago)

agree with Nhex, it all went to shit in S2

囧 (dyao), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 07:39 (sixteen years ago)

idk i'm pretty engaged by it!

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 21:52 (sixteen years ago)

oh no the dvd of the last episode is missing wtf

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 21:52 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

through an amusing series of coincidences, it turns out that saving the cheerleader has world-historical consequences that NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW. NO ONE BUT US.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 9 January 2010 16:35 (sixteen years ago)


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