preacher: the movie

but the info I got came from an article in Sat's paper here. (it was mostly about how Chandler Perry was going to be shooting a (different) movie here this summer.

Anyway, we all know that there's no way in hell (no pun intended) that this movie's going to be good, right?

Except for the fact that I might be in it. As an extra.

I want plenty of Cassidy and quite a bit of Herr Starr.

What storylines are they going to adapt?

(Top Cow has tried to strategize things like this, which resulted in what, a lukewarm basic cable series and nothing else.)

(When Marvel sold the Daredevil option, wasn't that in the same package with Ghost Rider, Punisher, Iron Man, et al? Or was that Dr Strange?)

I think the idea is that companies probably want to option several at a time if they don't have something specific in mind. Mind you, Catwoman befuddles the hell out of me, because why option that separately from Batman?

Teen Titans kind of killed my faith in their cartoons. I'm not sure that's fair -- I don't think it's a bad show necessarily, the two episodes I've seen; just one I really don't like. Either it doesn't have the same broad appeal as the other ones did, or I'm getting old :)

Teen Titans is definitely aimed at a younger age group than the other cartoons, and I never really think about it in the same bundle as B:TAS, S:TAS and JL (or JLU). It's sort of off in its own kiddyverse.

(I saw it, it wasn't good but there have been worse.)

(Jay Underwood = Human Torch in shelved Roger-Corman-produced FF flick.)

Odd:
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23535

emotional and psychological complexity - which Preacher has in spades

!!!

It'll also make a nice change for him, after his most recent movie, the 50s-set drama, Revolutionary Road. This one has considerably more action - and people with faces like an arse.

AMC now developing Preacher for TV.

Can't say 'fuck' on AMC. Might be a stumbling block.

brba got 1 fuck a season

bleeped tho

Or Blurred.

http://needcoffee.cachefly.net/needcoffee/uploads/2009/01/fuck-communism-lighter.jpg

Shooting in Regina (where I live) this summer with a budget of $15 million.
will post more when I learn more.

lol

ugh seth rogan adaptation, no thank you

i mean whatever, he might be the right person for this but i guess the person i am now is not the right person to watch it.

he's not writing it though. do you hate Catlin's episodes of Breaking Bad?

Which ones are they?

s2e4, "Down"
s2e9, "4 Days Out"
s3e4, "Green Light"
s3e10, "Fly"
s3e12, "Half-Measures"
s4e3, "Open House"
s4e8, "Hermanos"
s4e11, "Crawl Space"
s5e4, "Fifty-One"
s5e12, "Rabid Dog" (also directed)

yeah, that's good stuff. i am torn now.

i'll give it a chance if it makes it to series. it won't be the same without the excessive swearing though

Yeah I'll definitely watch it. Preacher's a good yarn for all its faults.

If they stick to the comics, "Mom?" will be the scene I'll anticipate.

This thread isn't about the movie called Preacher that I thought it was about.

This seems like a weird idea... I mean, no way can they use the whole God subplot (especially its conclusion) on American TV, right? And if they don't use it, the whole premise of the story is changed.

And even though The Da Vinci Code did popularize the whole "Jesus had kids and his bloodline is still around" theory, I can imagine some viewers getting a bit upset if the series uses Ennis's particular version of Jesus's descendants.

Atheism is hot and sexy these days -- I could see them using everything from the book. Maybe even the "fuck"s, with bleeps, which would kinda be hilarious.

SPOILERS!!

But the series isn't really about atheism, it's about the Christian god being a manipulative jerk, and his followers being idiots and/or dangerous and violent fanatics, and it ends with said god and his angels being shot to death, which is seen as a justified act of revenge and generally a good thing. So even if "atheism is hot and sexy", I'd assume those plot points would be quite controversial.

Executive producers tend to be fairly hands-off, don't they? I expect Rogan & Goldberg's involvement helped get this commissioned, but they probably won't be hugely involved beyond that.

So glad it wasn't the Daredevil guy who ended up doing it. Can only imagine what a trainwreck that would've been.

Daredevil guy = Ben Affleck?

Haha, no. Mark Steven Johnson, writer-director of Daredevil(and GHOST RIDER!), was apparently lined-up for show-running duties when this was still at HBO.

apparently = wrote a pilot and plotted multiple new stories with Ennis for a year or three

Okay, I thought you were talking about Affleck, because years ago it was rumoured he'd be playing Jesse Custer in a Preacher movie.

What happened to huk-l anyway?

welp, this don't look much like the series in any way, which is a step in the right direction but seth rogen so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNgI2sRzr8I

weird how they completely avoided admitting any supernatural element, though i'm pretty sure it's still in there
if it's not like the comic book in any way, what's the point?

It's pretty weird, the official copy accompanying the Youtube video says "a supernatural Preacher, a gun-toting ex, and an Irish vampire are coming to AMC mid-2016", but the video shows absolutely none of those elements, not even Tulip's guns. Cassidy has a few lines, but the vampire thing isn't alluded to, you'd think that would a selling point with all the succesful vampire series of recent years? Though based on the trailer it seems more like they're trying to market this as a Breaking Bad -style hard-boiled crime series, so maybe they thought vampirism would attract the wrong kind of crowd?

and yet they advertised this during the Walking Dead 90-min special last night...

test a bunch of promotional approaches, gauge which ones work best, stress those in the leadup, air the series you were going to air all along (maybe with a little tweaking in post)

if it's not like the comic book in any way, what's the point?

― Nhex, Monday, November 2, 2015 10:27 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know how many times I've asked this question over the years. What's the point in everything hinging on a particular property if you're going to tweak said property to the point where it's unrecognizable to its existing fanbase and it isn't well-known enough to lure newcomers via brand recognition? Take a peek at the upcoming Lucifer show for similar shenanigans. Why make an original procedural about the devil helping the police solve crimes when you can take a shit all over something that already exists?

Mind you, I think straying from Preacher's roots can only be an improvement.

I think the main story and main characters in Preacher are pretty good and might make for a decent TV series. It's all the extra stuff, the macho posturing, the homophobic minor characters, Ennis' anti-PC rants, etc, which makes it less than perfect.

And by 'extra stuff', you of course mean the bulk of the series.

i guess i'm "lucky" i read the series without caring too much about the politics at the time

I wasn't exactly a paragon of maturity when I read the series (or now, to be fair) but I still remember thinking it was often over the top juvenile.

I couldn't finish the first trade paper collection. It's a tossup between Transmetropolitan and Preacher for worst series I've tried to get into.

If your age didn't start with a 1 when you started reading either, that totally makes sense.

Transmet is at least 60x worse than Preacher though

Yes - Preacher also much better drawn than Transmet (not that ILC ever seems to give much of a shit about the pictures side of the word/image equation)

Agreed. For all his faults, Ennis at least knows how to writer interesting, well fleshed-out characters. In fact, I'd say characterization is probably his greatest strength, the problems only arise when he decides to make them a mouthpiece for whatever rant he has on his mind this month. This is why I though Boys as a whole was better than Preacher... In that comic he usually toned down the rants (though The Legends still gets a few lengthy ones), and it also felt like he was genuinely trying to tackle with chauvinism/sexism present in his earlier work with the character arcs of Wee Hughie and Starlight.

warren ellis only knows how to write 2 characters: idealised warren ellises and the straw men they kick in the balls

Preacher had some good plotting, entertaining dialogue and exciting twists and turns for all its faults. Literally no idea how the series will turn out.

(not that ILC ever seems to give much of a shit about the pictures side of the word/image equation)

? This is not the case at all ime.

C+F - no matches found for Steve Dillon

This thread is for the movie/TV adaptation of Preacher though... Seems much more likely that they'll adapt Ennis' stories than Dillon's art, so the pictures aren't really a big part of the discussion.

It's an interesting question though: are there many comic book movies/shows that have tried to adapt the visual style of the source material, and not just the story? Off the top of my head, the only examples I can think of are Sin City. Persepolis, and the Corto Maltese movie. And I guess some anime movies too, like Akira. But obviously this is easier to do with animation than with live action, is Sin City the only movie that tried the latter?

I think in live-action comic book movies/shows, most of the times they only add a few shots that homage specific panels/pages, like the recent episode of the Flash series that did homage to the famous "Flash of Two Worlds" cover image.

advance publicity for Beatty's Dick Tracy made a huge deal about how comics-like the block-colours production design was, apparently all written by PRs and reporters who had never looked at a panel of Gould.

other not too successful examples: Snyder's Watchmen and his upcoming Supes vs. Bats

Tintin?

scott pilgrim

oh yeah, definitely. Scott Pilgrim the film also continued the visual motifs that the comic used in aping video games as well

Tintin?

a) rotoscoping is not live-action, and b) one takes it you have never read a Tintin book

Scott Pilgrim fantastic at capturing the mixture of intimacy and vivacity of the comic, but not that visually similar on a style basis. especially for being in rich, saturated colour

Not seen Miller's Spirit movie - does he emulate Eisner visuals at any point?

the first sin city looked, more or less, like it leapt from the comic.
the fun home musical does an amazing job through casting, costuming, makeup and set design of feeling like the characters walked out of the comic... though much of the story is shuttled around and different

i think i can live a full life without ever seeing the spirit movie

xxxpost One should take it that I've never seen a Tintin movie (hence the ?).

The Tintin animated TV series was fairly faithful to Herge's style, but yeah, the CGI movie is about as far from it as you can get.

I can't remember the Watchmen movie trying to emulate Gibbon's art to the screen in any significant way? Obviously the hyperdetailed panels and steady rhythm of the 3x3 grid is kinda hard to transfer to moving images, but IIRC Snyder didn't even use the one part that could have worked in cinema, i.e. the constantly recurring visual symbols and shapes.

(xxxpost)

The Spirit movie has some homages to Eisner's work IIRC but it's inevitably drowned in Miller's excess

Revive! There was some discussion on the TV series in the Marvel cinema thread, but it'd be better to continue it here, where we don't have to avoid spoilers.

I read somewhere that Odin Quincanon is going to be one of the major villains of the series, a guy who if you remember turned up in probably the most boring Preacher storyline way way into the run.

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I guess I can understand why they'd do this, because Quincannon is pretty much the most harmless, least blasphemous villain in the series, so using him won't make any viewers angry. But it'd still be a boring choice.

Um, dude fucked a giant woman made out of meat. Just sayin'.

It seems like a mistake to try adapting this comic anytime after the turn of the millennium.

I know what he fucked, but he's still the least offensive villain in the comic, since his story doesn't involve making fun of Christians or gays or disabled people. The only thing that Ennis mocks in that arc is the KKK, which shouldn't lead to too many angry protests if adapted to TV.

i would guess the series is gonna bear only the slightest resemblance to the book and thank god

It only dawned on me yesterday that Jesse is played by the guy who plays/played Howard Stark in the MCU.

Literally the only enticing aspect of this for me.

Oh, okay, I didn't realize Ruth Negga from Agents of SHIELD was playing Tulip. That's two enticing, Marvel-related aspects.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/18/amc-offers-the-first-four-minutes-of-preacher/

I'll watch the first ep or two out of respect for the me who bought these on the newsstand but i am highly skeptical

yeah, that's pretty much where i am too.

dominic cooper is terrible at american accents so i'm morbidly curious at how badly he'll mangle a southern accent - he also seems about 10 years too old to be playing jesse

I was reading a thing yesterday about how this has been Seth Rogen's passion project for over a decade and I thought, 'Really? Preacher?' It's like cashing your chips to make a biopic about the Bloodhound Gang.

lol, that was my take too but rogen has made millions of dollars marketing to the slightly too cool for kevin smith crowd so why stop now?
dude made a fucking green hornet movie for crissakes

I don't think that footage looks too bad, but I'm mildly annoyed that they've cast such a handsome dude to play Arseface. The whole point of the character is he's fucking grotesque! In no way does this guy look he blew half his head off with a shotgun.

http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/03/arsefaceheader.jpg

he does in the way that the lower half of his face looks like an asshole

How would a shotgun do that without Cobaining the top half of his head as well?

alan sepinwall - who's about as reliable a TV critic there is and purports to love the comic - had a v positive review http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-why-seth-rogens-preacher-was-wise-to-chart-a-course-away-from-the-comics

(no spoilers)

purports to love the comic

thing is if you're a grown adult who still loves preacher i dunno if i trust yr judgement

Should we get a mod to change the thread title to "preacher: the tv show" and move it to ILE?

I enjoyed this. The accents are pretty much all wack, but the tone of the comics is there, and Ruth Negga is fantastic as Tulip.

don't rewrite history imo

Hands up who exactly would be surprised if Rogen announced that his next project would be a biopic about the Bloodhound Gang.

i really liked this!

i like how they've set up the show to stand on its own. cast is great - accent are def garbage but the comedy & personalities are well set

i was a fan of the comics in college but it was def of its own time, like i nostalgically went back & reread them a while back & was like hmmm nope. I didnt want a slavish recreation of the original, so i guess some of my enjoyment of the show is partly just relief

I'll give it a chance but I'll be giving it as much side-eye as I would a televisual adaptation of Strangers In Paradise (speaking of comics we enjoyed in college but which in hindsight make us wonder if we perhaps indulged in too many judgment-impairing extracurricular vices in college).

oh man, strangers in paradise.

has anyone tried to option love and rockets? I know hate and velvet glove both went through development hell.

I believe Locas rights were bought once long ago, not sure about Palomar.

i would imagine the option would've been dropped this late in the game.
that said if there were ever a time for a Locas miniseries, i imagine it would be now? No idea how Palomar would play.

In, iirc, the Gaiman interview, Los Bros said they wanted the L&R film to be both Locas and Palomar stories

I can't really think of any alt/underground/indie comics I would be excited to see turned into a movie or TV show. Love L&R to death but I cannot imagine an adaptation being anything but awful. Ghost World was way better than it had any business being but it still wasn't really Clowes, and Art School Confidential was terrible.

Despite moaning earlier on about Arseface being too handsome, now I've seen how they're doing the character on screen I think I get where they're going with him. It seems like they're making a lot of effort to portray him more sympathetically than Ennis did in the comic, where he was pretty much just a walking punchline. I think I'm okay with that.

Ennis's "fuck everything" misanthropy seems very juvenile now, doesn't it. When I first picked up Preacher I couldn't believe I was reading all this transgressive shit in a comic, but since then I've read a lot more comics, and it seems a little less impressive.

Arseface was portrayed fairly sympathetically in the comic, iirc. I remember him being one of the only decent people in that universe.

I think I ultimately wound up pretty strongly disliking the core cast. I doubt that was intentional.

Preacher worked best as a serial comic entertainment, delivered on a monthly basis by a very reliable artist - one issue a month just about the right ration. I gave up reading before the end, but the impression I had was that the ending was not universally loved, even by fans of the comic?

I don't know that I was ever that much of a fan, actually (mostly just way into Vertigo at the time, although I should've followed my instincts after lamenting when Ennis took over Hellblazer), but I did read the whole thing. Don't remember the ending much but I don't remember anything positive about it.

i have the full series on my shelf somewhere, i suppose i should reacquaint

Ennis's "fuck everything" misanthropy seems very juvenile now, doesn't it.

He's definitely juvenile, but I'd hardly class Ennis as misanthropic. If anything he's a sentimentalist

masculinist sentimentalist methinks

first ep was okay, probably better than I was expecting (genuine lols at 'tom cruise explodes') although cooper's accent was even worse than i feared it would be. he's too old and pug-faced for jesse but i liked tulip and cassidy fine

best thing was the opening scene in outer space with the b-movie fx

i'll stick around for a few episodes but i guess the real acid test will be how they handle the more classically ennis material

I guess it's maybe an encouraging sign that Genesis merging with Jesse didn't kills his congregation at the same time

Arseface was portrayed fairly sympathetically in the comic, iirc. I remember him being one of the only decent people in that universe.

He starts off as a nasty joke, but yeah, Ennis soon sets him up as a decent person, more decent than any of the protagonists. His story also has a much more positive conclusion you'd ever expect based on those early issues, and I definitely agree Ennis is a sentimentalist. Fespite his tendency to go for the yuck factor, ultimately most of his stories emphasize that there is fundamental goodness in (some) people, and most of his protagonists get a happy ending, of a sort at least.

If you can live with Ennis' gross-out excesses, I'd still recommend reading The Boys, his other creator-owned magnum opus besides Preacher. It has a lot of the same strengths as Preacher (some actually funny gags, solid characterization, good sense of pacing and drama) + a lot of strong satire on superheroes and the military-industrial complex, but it significantly tones down his worst tendencies, i.e. the sexism and homophobia. It's still reconizably Ennis, so if his tics generally annoy you, they will do so with The Boys too, but I was positively surprised by it.

mainly i'm just morbidly curious to see them adapt the bill hicks issue

Never been able to get past the terrible artwork on The Boys

I think Darick Robertson is a decent artist, and his cartoonish style is certainly a good match for Ennis' writing style... But the digital colouring and the "3D" shading on the comic is awfully ugly and brown-tinted, which makes Robertson's art look worse too.

The Irish stereotype guy in this is pretty broad isn't he? Is that guy actually northern english, mancunian or something? Geezer who's been in Misfits etc?

Am wondering if they'll include Jesse's John Wayne fixation or if it'd mean touching on copyright issues or something.

Did quite enjoy this so will probably watch the rest.

Also really enjoyed The Boys a couple of years back. I guess roughly when it was coming out really.

xp agreed, i never liked the coloring on that book, you just nailed it for me - I wasn't sure it what it was...

If they do the John Wayne thing the way they did it in the book (in shadow) I'm sure they can get away with it as parody. Bill Hicks thing I'm less sure...

turns out Rogen and Goldberg are developing a TV version of The Boys too

I just realized that Ennis is basically a way less self-aware Johnny Ryan.

issue #1 of preacher going for northwards of £200 on ebay at the mo.

(the amc-branded reissue is free on comixology, or 69p for the vertigo version.)

haven't re-read this since it was published. time to dig it out again?

Ennis is pretty self-aware, imho. He's just happy where he is.

I'd imagine there is precisely zero chance of them doing the Bill Hicks episode, it must've be first on any list of compromises.

(I'm actually curious about how widely known John Wayne is with younger generation)

I didn't see any of the angels introduced yet so wonder to what extent they're going to be used. Prior containment for this thing that has arrived on earth from somewhere in space appears to be handled very differently in the comics. But maybe the tv narrative needs the earthly participants introduced first or something.

Considering quite a bit of Preacher is flasbacks, I can see why they are changing it up a bit for the show.

They are also interestingly enough making to more superhero considering Tulip's and Cassidys parts in the first show.

?

i just reread the first five issues; this book sucks

They are also interestingly enough making to more superhero considering Tulip's and Cassidys parts in the first show.

― earlnash, Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm assuming this relates to Tulip being introduced as a bungling would be assassin in the comic book who leaps into Cassidy's pick up truck and tries to jack it off him which he refuses.
& the tv show has him being introduced having a Bond -like fight on a plane, though a bit more gorey, and her having a fight in a speeding vehicle displaying all kinds of martial arts skills or whatever.

But it is a different medium and does have its own way of showing narrative which maybe this taps into more.
I dunno. Quite enjoyed it anyway.

I enjoyed it! A more comedic tone than the comic, and seemed much more willing to laugh at its protagonists, which can only be a good thing. Remains to be seen how well/if it deals with the more epic storylines coming up.

Re accents - I'm as English as they come so am probably not the best judge, but I thought Joe Gilgun's Cork brogue was pretty convincing.

God Howard Stark's accent is so, so bad. Like, even worse than his Howard Stark accent - but at least he's not the main character in that show!

Whatever Gilgin's doing, it ain't Cork boy

I thought this was pretty good, even if it is the worst of the current batch of comics TV shows that isn't Arrow.

It did seem the plot threw itself about a bit but I guess television narrative style drives that.

Read the full series on a whim, definitely gonna try to sell it on ebay.
First episode of this was pretty bad, i faded out after the gratuitous broken arm scene.

Does it hold up? I've never read it.

I re-read it nine or ten years ago, and it kind of doesn't, except that it didn't really at the time. A new reader might well be carried along by the characters and jokes and twists just as well as a '90s reader waiting month to month or TPB to TPB was, except without the accompanying investment letting them feel disappointed or cheated by a tangent or twist too far. Read it if you're interested, keep going if you like it, bail out if it loses you at some point.

Positive things I have to say about Preacher based on my memory of reading it fifteen years ago or whatever:

1) I really like Steve Dillon's art.
2) For better or worse, Odin Quincannon fucking the meat lady is an indelible image.
3) Turning Herr Starr into a walking penis head was pretty good, as juvenile jokes go.

That's pretty much it.

it doesn't "hold up" but it is a quick compulsive read if you skip over all the proselytizing. Last few issues are terrible.

I don't think I managed to finish the first TPB.

I read a lot of this series (at least the first five trades) in high school during my heavy Vertigo phase, and while I still like Steve Dillon's art, the writing definitely seems glib and ~edgy~ in a strained way that doesn't repay rereading.

so the main way they're trying to keep true to the comic is computer-colouring everything in '90s Vertigo shades of baby-shit brown and green

I.e. the most consistently-lamentable quality of '90s Vertigo.

on the plus side, a copy of preacher #1 sold on ebay for $250 over the weekend so ahma try to sell my whole collection asap

Would that I had not sold my collection years ago. One man's trash...

$150 bid for the collection (1 to 50 plus all the one shots and saint of killer mini in VF+/NM and the last two TPB), 4 days to go

nice. I sold all the one-shots & spinoffs years ago, gotta get my run of TPBs up

I got 340 bucks for the full series btw, think i undersold but happy to have the room on my shelf.

That seems like a good price. are old floppies like old vinyls now?

Wow. I'm not sure what I have in the way of the spin offs but certainly have the original 60 odd issues. Not entirely sure where they are but...

Walking Dead number one is selling for thousands; there's a sudden surge on preacher insofar as if it becomes popular it's a CULTURAL TOUCHSTONE
seems silly but happy to have it happen. Now what do I do with the other 5000 odd floppies? Do people want full runs of Howard the Duck anymore?

I got 340 bucks for the full series btw, think i undersold but happy to have the room on my shelf.

Got the 9 volumes out the door for $130, very happy about that

Also stuck up Troubled Souls and For A Few Troubles More by Ennis & McCrea, which are at $50 and $45 respectively with 5 days to go