THE PRAISE-WHATEVER-IS-PIQUING-YOUR-INTEREST-AT-THIS-MOMENT THREAD.
KINDA LIKE THE "WHATCHA READIN' RIGHT NOW THREADS" TYPICALLY FOUND IN I LOVE BOOKS, BUT WITH THE ADDED CRITERIA OF PERSONAL TASTE DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT PROBABLY TAKES YOU A FIFTH OF THE TIME (AT MOST) TO READ A LONG GN AS IT DOES A REASONABLY SIZED WORK OF PROSE (EXCEPT, OF COURSE, "POISON RIVER"). DO TELL IF YOU FIND THIS THREAD TO BE LARGELY POINTLESS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE ILC.
― R Baez, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link
BAKUNE YOUNG VOL. 1 by Toyokazu Matsunaga Judging by this, which I happened upon over the weekend at a Half Price Books for five bucks, this may be the most awesome thing that ever awesomed. A hulking man-child in his early twenties decides to take on the Yakuza, Johnny Law, and the entire world, basically, by holding the most powerful gangster in Japan (along with the National Treasures) hostage in return for a hundred trillion yen. From this premise builds crescendo after crescendo of game logic, giddy satire (with masculine self-regard a favored target), and glorious, relentless violence! Pretty much every page is intent upon leaving the reader breathless, but a hallucinogenic set piece involving countless thugs besieging a building guarded by a lone, quite unstable police commissioner seems particularly worthy of note. And there’s two more volumes out there, just waiting to reduce the world to cinders!
MISTER O and MISTER I by Lewis Trondheim My nephews and I discovered these together. MISTER O concerns, solely, the eponymous little round man and his travails attempting to cross a chasm, each page a different iteration of this dilemma within the same silent sixty-panel layout - the “Roadrunner” cartoons are an oft-mentioned and wholly appropriate point of reference. MISTER I is equally entertaining but more varied in situation – it applies the same formal constraints and doodling art style to our I-shaped protagonist and his preoccupation with hunger, with each and every strip involving Mister I’s attempts, either by methods fair or foul, to feed himself. There’s a scenario of pie theft, repeated every four or five pages, which serves as a close approximation of Mister O and his damned need to close that gap, but otherwise, where there’s food to be had, Mister I will probably come to a blood-drenched end over it. COOLEST THING EVER: Seeing my nephews inspired to draw their own versions. Rock!
Trades are my saving grace at the moment. I've been buying a collection every week along with my weekly batch of disappointment. Mostly, it's just stuff that I already own in single-issue form and love (i.e. Delano's Hellblazer). I've been buying Seven Soldiers trades for the past couple of weeks, so that's all good. I'm also working on the second LOSH Showcase volume, too. Fun enough, but I imagine the truly classic stuff is still on the horizon.
Oh, I know something that kicked my ass fairly recently: Yuichi Yokoyama's New Engineering.
― Deric W. Haircare, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I skipped most of G-Mo's mainstream superhero stuff, so recently dled new x men and libraried JLA. The first is kicking my ass. The second, not so much. I think it has to do with the art being SO much better in NXM.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Baez, you owe it to yourself to go get Dungeon.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link
GMo's NXM is fucking choice.
― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Lately: Marvel's omnibus hc of Kirby's Devil Dinosaur. A dinosaur stomps on things. I am a simple man, with simple tastes. PulpHope, Paul Pope artbook- Pope is an annoyingly pretentious twat, college libertarian and can't spell for crap, but he's also very very good. Maggie the Mechanic- first volume of Jaime's L&R stuff. Yes, I am way behind; yes, I know. Swamp Thing: Dark Genesis- trade paperback of the original Len Wein Swamp Thing material. Incredibly fast-paced tour of every horror milieu the 70's could offer, with something awesome or completely fucking bizarre happening nearly every page. Highly recommended.
― Telephone thing, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
To add to TT's "Yes, I am way behind," I'm also really enjoying (for the first time ever), er, The Dark Phoenix Saga.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
I love Mister O and Mister I.
― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw Mister O like, a year ago at the library and loved it. Better look for I.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been diving into Kamandi. After devouring the Fourth World omnibuses I was still craving more Kirby. Never having even dipped my toes into the world of the Last Boy on Earth, I'm reveling.
Mister O is amazing. I too must look for Mister I.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Been taking out stuff by Jason from the library - good work. When I first saw his style I thought it might overly ironic and bare, but then I enjoyed reading I killed Adolf Hitler.
Been in that mood, since I read some of Gilbert Hernandez's books a couple of months ago. Hey, Wait... reminded me of Sloth and No Chance in Hell - not as grisly, of course, but the same sense of inner disconnection exemplified by these enormous mid-story narrative changes.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Chiggers by Hope Larson: charming YA graphic novel Various minis and others by Tom Gauld from Cabanon Press (see www.cabanonpress.com for heaps of his stuff free online)
― James Morrison, Thursday, 24 July 2008 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link
have been increasing eyeing the Jason stuff--where to start???
― Dr. Superman, Thursday, 24 July 2008 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Chronicles of Wormwood - I like Garth Ennis much more than some around the ILC site and this one does kind of reuse a couple of the same jokes from the Preacher series, but there is still some stuff that really made me laugh. It definitely is not a series for someone that is easily offended, especially from a religious standpoint. The talking rabbit really cracks me up.
Fell - I finally got and read this first trade by Warren Ellis and Ben Templesmith. It is a darkly comic book, but in a way the central character is a bit more optimistic than some of Ellis' other protagonists. Too bad the series has stopped at issue #9 and has not gone on. I also give some props to Ellis for like his Global Frequency book, these are some tightly put together single issue stories.
Sandman Mystery Theatre- I've read the first 32 issues and the one issue special done by Gaiman. This was a really good series and one of the most grounded 'mask' titles maybe ever done. It is also one of the best titles set in the age of pulp, as the book is set in the late 30s. I think it is really underrated.
Conan- I liked the first couple of issues of the new series, so I have gone back and started to get some of the first run of Conan on Dark Horse. At least through the first year of the series, it is a really great read. Kurt Busiek's stories are really solid and have a much different feel than the old Marvel books. Cary Nord's artwork is really great, they use just penciled artwork that is digitally colored. It works really well. My Conan kick started from working through the first collection of the old 70s black and white Savage Sword of Conan, which goes from good to fantastic.
― earlnash, Thursday, 24 July 2008 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought Mister O was one of the funniest things I'd ever read, but was kinda let down by Mister I.
The new issue of Tales Designed to Thrizzle is kicking my ass RIGHT NOW.
― Douglas, Thursday, 24 July 2008 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been reading one of the Fantagraphics Dennis the Menace collections. It's easy to see why the comic was once adored.
― Mordy, Thursday, 24 July 2008 07:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I just torrented the complete run of ACTION!, the notorious mid-70s UK weekly comic (forerunner of 2000AD) which was pulled off the shelves for being too violent after questions were asked in the House Of Commons. I have only read issue #1 so far but it is awesome two-fisted stuff. A full breakdown of its thrill-powered contents may appear on this site soon.
― Groke, Thursday, 24 July 2008 08:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I always found ACTION! a bit too gruesome. I reckon I still would not be able to hack it.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 24 July 2008 11:25 (sixteen years ago) link
As well as the Hookjaw style grue there are a number of stories in Action #1 which are a bit off-message, eg SPORT'S NOT FOR LOSERS where the cliffhanger is "Can Jack persuade his brother to give up smoking?"
― Groke, Thursday, 24 July 2008 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Wait, whuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?!? When did that happen? Quimby's, here I come!
re: Sandman Mystery Theater, that's on my 'to buy' list. I dig the first trade and always wanted to read more. I kinda want to wait and see whether they're going to actually collect the whole thing before I get too gung-ho about it, though. You know how Vertigo can be.
― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 July 2008 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
SMT was a joy to read on a month by month basis. I loved that each storyline was the same length, and also that the motivation of the villains in each storyline was always related to a kind of bigotry, giving it an amazing thematic cohesiveness for a four-year long series with a dozen different 'episodes.' Also the way the introduction of golden age DC characters was handled, seeping into the jazz age milieu bit by bit ('The Hourman' was especially good in this respect.)
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 24 July 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think Tales Designed To Thrizzle #4 is actually out yet, right? I think it's at Comic-Con, but I don't think stores have it yet.
― The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 24 July 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Thrizzle is Comic-Con only for the moment...
― Douglas, Thursday, 24 July 2008 18:36 (sixteen years ago) link
That is unthrizzling.
― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 July 2008 21:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I wish I could convince my local shop to actually sell Thrizzle.
― energy flash gordon, Friday, 25 July 2008 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Tell them that every hundredth issue has an Alex Ross zombie incentive cover.
― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 25 July 2008 01:04 (sixteen years ago) link
PLANET HULK was a surprisingly cracking read. SQADRON SUPREME is oddly compelling reading as well. Latest AGE OF BRONZE is wonderful and makes me sad that another collection won't be out for awhile. The new Ditko retrospective is pretty keen too.
― Matt M., Friday, 25 July 2008 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Another great thing about Sandman Mystery Theatre, is that the relationship between the characters Wesley Dodds (aka The Sandman) and Dian Belmont. It is really well done.
I think DC should really do a series about the Justice Society set in that time period and get someone like Matt Wagner or James Robinson to get it right.
― earlnash, Friday, 25 July 2008 04:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, the Wesley/Dian romance was great. I can't believe I forgot that.
― Oilyrags, Friday, 25 July 2008 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link
SQADRON SUPREME is oddly compelling reading as well.
Mind-boggling - subject for further research...
― R Baez, Friday, 25 July 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Which Squadron Supreme are we talking about here? The Gruenwald one (which is simultaneously dated and ahead of the curve) or the Straczynski one (which felt like Rising Stars but moving at 1/2 speed)?
― arango, Friday, 25 July 2008 19:18 (sixteen years ago) link
"Which Squadron Supreme are we talking about here?"
There is also that Supreme Power series that was done for Marvel Max. I've never read that one, but I have been curious about it.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 July 2008 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link
I think Supreme Power is the Stanislavski (or whatever) one.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 26 July 2008 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Gruenwald's version is the one I'm reading currently. It's...mind-boggling.
― Matt M., Sunday, 27 July 2008 00:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Not kicking my ass, really, not even close- but Geoff Johns's run on the Flash. Reading it after enjoying Rogues' Revenge #1 a lot more than I expected to, and while it's just okay most of the time, and Johns has some really grating habits (like the "Rogue Profile" issues where every single goddamn thing in these characters' lives has inexorably pointed them toward their gimmick, really heinous in the Mirror Master issue; and Murmur, who just fucking sucks) there are surprisingly enjoyable bits throughout. Zoom, for instance- weird science powers, creepy gimmick, tons of potential as a character (even if Johns himself doesn't make the best of it) and the way he's defeated in his first arc is just nifty, the kind of too-clever-by-half sci-fi bullshit that drives all the best Flash stories.
― Telephone thing, Sunday, 27 July 2008 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Gruenwald's Squadron Supreme is very odd. I loved it as a kid for all the wrong reasons, but I reread it a couple years back. It's certainly ahead of its time thematically (it's actually not a bad refutation of the Millar-era Authority argument), but it's laden with awkward thought balloons and ham-handed character development.
Mind-boggling isn't really a bad word for it, now that I think of it.
― arango, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:41 (sixteen years ago) link
I tried to read it recently. So very, very bad. Has not aged well.
― James Morrison, Monday, 28 July 2008 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link
At the time I am positive I remember people (OK maybe "someone in MARVEL AGE magazine" but I think it was in a fanzine) bracketing it with WATCHMEN as 'realistic approaches to superheroes'.
― Groke, Monday, 28 July 2008 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link
That was the accepted wisdom for a (brief) while more recently, too, tho that might be just folks parroting 9th-generation hearsay in their News@rama sigs or something.
― David R., Monday, 28 July 2008 13:47 (sixteen years ago) link
My copy of the Squadron Supreme graphic novel has the following caveat - 'Fourth Printing. Contains No Ashes'
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 28 July 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I would argue that, despite the really awful writing (and I can't stress that enough - it's painful to read), it's pretty openly dealing with the same issues that Millar and, to a lesser degree, Ellis were writing about fairly recently. It certainly wasn't the first (Moore had wrapped up his Miracleman run by 85, right?) to question why characters who are inclined to save the world would overlook underlying societal issues (aside from the editorial need to keep the world of the narrative recognizable to readers), but it's the first title I recall from the big two American publishers to deal with it. I don't really have any objections to it getting some credit for, if nothing else, being an early (if somewhat poorly thought-out) refutation of why superheroes don't just run the world.
Doesn't mean I'd actually recommend anyone read it, though...
― arango, Monday, 28 July 2008 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd recommend it to superhero revisionist fetishists. It's interesting, but only to scholars. As a story, it's pretty flat and not all that well-written, and it's probably the most unusually-paced comic I've ever read. WATCHMEN is interesting and readable as a piece of fiction on its own. SQUADRON SUPREME doesn't enjoy that advantage.
Chewing through the Blake Bell book on Steve Ditko currently. I bet I won't like how it ends...
― Matt M., Tuesday, 29 July 2008 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Strong recommendation for Bryan Talbot's 'Alice In Sunderland'. Astonishingly dense and complex, beautifully rendered and brilliant in its duplicity; helluva run down the rabbit hole!
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Alice in Sunderland was fantastic. I'll second that one.
I'm currently working my way through the various Gilbert Hernandez Palomar trades. It's kicking my ass in a way that's probably not the way the thread intends (in that I periodically have to say "wait, she's whose daughter again?" and "wait, when did she lose an eye?"). I'm just about up to "Love and Rockets X," which, based on what I've heard, will cause me to give up altogether.
― arango, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 23:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Alice is Sunderland is a very deliberate "Hey, Alan Moore can do this, so can I".
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Which I enjoyed, on those grounds!
I KILLED ADOLF HITLER: Awesome. So much better than the Midnighter story with the same plot.
― Dr. Superman, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 02:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Alice In Sunderland was the worst comic I read last year, I had to keep getting up and walking around the room venting to $blokewhosecopyIwasreading. I probably went into it on another ILC thread but its biggest sins were a) pretending there was something SERIOUS AND LINKED about all this random shit instead of it being a tenuous connection to jump from one thing to another because Talbot liked it - mainly in This Is A Weighty Tome stylee rather than the tone taken in making each link, TBF, but it would have suited a 90s-style single-artist anthology floppy rather than a $50 hardcover, and b) the art and cartooning were BOTH really horrible - no cleverness in working disparate elements together, just blurring the edges of shit in photoshop and slapping them next to another blurred edge --- which led to pages not actually reading especially well.
Still got big love for Arkwright/HoE, Bad Rat, first vol of Teknophage etc, but for mine Sunderland is a huge triumph of Marketing The Artist's Intent rather than the actual work finding its level.
― energy flash gordon, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 04:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I KILLED ADOLF HITLER: Awesome
― Nhex, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 04:20 (sixteen years ago) link
wait, new Tales Designed To Thrizzle? WANT.
Speaking of Kupperman ... anyone here seen a picture of that octopus in a top hat drinking a cup of tea that - I think - he used in The New Yorker whenever he couldn't be bothered illustrating a story?
― etc, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd disagree with you on almost all points gordo. I thought the style was breezy and easy to follow regardless of the convoluted plot. It was a severely aspie shot (this took him three years to unwind, yes?) at "the heavy story" that seemed to have tongue pretty firmly in cheek a'la E. Campbell (you think he meant for the God McCloud to be taken seriously?). The jarring jump in tone from photoblur pages and line cartooning (and while I wasn't overwhelmed with his computer skills, I liked the hodgepodge collage and have ALWAYS appreciatd his eye and drawring skills) is kind of the point, isn't it?
I paid fifteen bucks for it and certainly got my money's worth.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link
KRAZY KAT I'm quite liking. Something clicked when I read the strip from April 8, 1942 and I'm now ready to renounce capes, Palestinian lesbians, and coherence. Because personal preferences are always either/or - DON'T DENY IT.
― R Baez, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Love Kupperman, but haven't bought or even seen a new thrizzle in a couple years.
Digging Morrison's All-Star Superman, but like a lot of his writing lately, it feels as though he's cut out every other panel. Tons of detail and density, which is great, but it's all spat out too fast to establish any rhythm or tone. As a result, it's a dazzling but only half-coherent mess. Quitely's art is beyond reproach, though.
Finally bought Green Lantern: Willworld the other day. Only discovered Fisher through Big in Japan and Frost a few years back, but had put off reading this for some reason (sadness, I guess). Art's good, but the story bugged the hell out of me. Matteis wrote Moonshadow right? Liked that as a kid, but again, more for the art than the story.
Moomin: The Complete Tove Jansson Comic. One of the best things I've read in ages! Great characters, wonderful linework, a sly sense of humor, and a real sense of human complexity. Want to read everything she ever did.
Omega: The Unknown. Drawn into this by Lethem's name alone, 'cuz Farel Dalrymple's art sure wouldn't have done the job. Now that it's done, I'm a bit underwhelmed. It's fun, but too digressive and half-baked to add up to much. Get the impression that Lethem couldn't entirely commit to the source material, but couldn't come up with anything better, either. So he just rambled along until he ran out of issues.
The "Marvel MAX" (WTF?) reissue of Sky Doll is fantastic. Can see why a lot of folks might be put off by the cheezeball T&A aspects, but the art is spectacular, and the story's damn good too. I thought it was just a three-issue thing, but though there's a complete story arc here, most of the major threads are unresolved at the end of #3. Have more been written but not yet published, or is it a story in progress? What's the deal?
Not yet sure how far I wanna venture into this Final Crisis business...
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Moomin! Hanging out for volume three.
― James Morrison, Thursday, 31 July 2008 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Just finished the second trade of The Goon. Not much to say that everyone else on the internets hasn't already; just pure, mean-spirited fun, and one of the rare cases I find myself looking forward to the movie adaptation of something I love.
― Telephone thing, Thursday, 31 July 2008 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Got Evanier's Kirby King of Comics out of the library. My butt hurts.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 31 July 2008 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Turns out Leon Klinghoffer of Achille Lauro/"The Death of Klinghoffer" infamy was one of Jack's childhood buddies.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 31 July 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Use your hands to pick it up next time.
― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd like to read the Jack Kirby book, but I have to say that I'm disappointed with the art Evanier chose to include. It's fairly representative of his career as a whole, but I wanted to see more of the batshit, gasp-inducing stuff. Although the Kirby Five-Oh! book fills that need nicely.
― Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Near as I can tell, Evanier chose the art based on how 'raw' the material he could find was. He seems to want to show Kirby pencils whenever possible without inks or color. Can't say as I blame him for that, but I guess it cuts down on what's available pretty considerably. Also there may have been issues with exclusivity cascading from other Kirby books. Anyway, that teenaged thing with the double page spread of the 'block war' kicking off is mindboggling enough to be worth the price of the volume.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:16 (sixteen years ago) link
the selection process in the evanier/kirby book seems to have been heavily biased towards the use of original artwork wherever possible.
i too am not that fussed abt most of kirby's 40s work, and think that evanier/abrams played it a little safe (rights-wise etc) by presenting a relatively paltry selection of primo 60s marvel stuff - but almost all of of the 50s and onwards work reproduced is very fine - that FOXHOLE cover, just for example, is as 'gasp-inducing' as any of the more overtly cosmic/out seventies stuff.
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 31 July 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
ASHEN VICTOR is a neat bit of silliness, interesting in that I, in my rather limited experience in Asian comic-bookery, never seen a manga so permeated with American influence. It’s basically a book-length valentine to the mid-nineties American mainstream – every page is a big sloppy kiss to Sin City-era Frank Miller, art-wise (with a character named “Marvin” as a little bow on top), featuring a protagonist who bears the lithe frame and chemically tortured hair of a certain King O’ Dreams who reigned over me and my somber brethren back in the day. (Now it can be told!) The plot is something or other about a brutal “Rollerball”-like game in the future and corruption, I forget – there’s hookers with hearts of gold and corporate mayhem involving designer drugs and high tech armor and other stuff, I GUESS. All fairly familiar despite lacking any immediate frame of reference, or rather, having so many frames of reference that, really, who can be bothered; as an adrenaline high though, it’s tops. In one bit there’s a kid wailing in pre-adolescent panic in “gritty urban environment template #3” who gets a running jump kick to the head by an irate passerby, making the entire affair EXTREME or something. Far from brilliant, but fun and, being a one volume manga digest, not a bad way of passing the time on a dull commute.
― R Baez, Friday, 1 August 2008 18:57 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bibliodyssey.blogspot.com/
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 2 August 2008 19:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I wuz delighted to walk into Forbidden Planet NYC the other and to see that a bunch of old, out of print trades were on the shelves: apparently they bought a bunch from some warehouse somewhere…
I nearly jumped out of mah skin when I saw 2 hardcovers of the complete Fighting American by Simon and the King ('54-'55) from 1989 that Marvel put out. bolted up to the counter and happily paid $35.
It's fucking great; incredibly self-aware and EC-ish…
― Veronica Moser, Saturday, 2 August 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, please do tell. What other kinds of stuff did they have? Maybe I should stop by today.
― ian, Saturday, 2 August 2008 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Top 10: The Forty-Niners kinda kicked my ass a bit, but I'd just been reunited with my trades of the orig run. It's like a really nice Watchmen! Lots of love for goofy superheros and a JLA=paedos plotline that STILL doesn't ground it in grittiness.
― Niles Caulder, Sunday, 3 August 2008 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link
My library has just got put a copy of CHIGGERS on my hold list, which I suspect will be kicking my ass very soon. Wish me luck!
― R Baez, Monday, 4 August 2008 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link
The Boys continues to kick my ass. Plus, I read today that it is intended to end after 60 (?) issues, which makes me happy. And #21 is another demo of how well Ennis can stack the emotional deck.
― Rock Hardy, Monday, 11 August 2008 00:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Brubaker's Captain America. Dropped $37 on the Omnibus in one of Amazon's occasional spot sales, not regretting it one bit. I tend to stick to the DC side of the fence, since more gonzo shit happens over there and Marvel's current quasi-realistic approach doesn't really do it for me, but somehow it's just perfect for this series.
― Telephone thing, Friday, 22 August 2008 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I read "Turtle, Keep It Steady!" by Joseph Lambert just recently (found in that best-of thing Lynda Barry edited) and find it's made everyday since a perpetual smile. It's just the niftiest thing.
― R Baez, Thursday, 22 January 2009 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I just mail-ordered a super-cheap ($2.75) copy of Scott McCloud's DESTROY!! from Mile High Comics (which is running a ridonkulous sale right now). I mean, I always knew that comic was great, but now it's kicking my ass all over again.
(Also picked up a pile of late-'70s issues of SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES and some oddities I'd missed the first time around, like FRED HEMBECK DESTROYS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE.)
― Douglas, Friday, 23 January 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link
a super-cheap ($2.75) copy of Scott McCloud's DESTROY!!
cool, is this the big Treasury Edition-sized version? Actually I don't know if it was ever published smaller.
― WmC, Friday, 23 January 2009 00:18 (fifteen years ago) link
There was also a normal-sized version in 3-D. If only there'd been a Treasury Edition-sized 3-D version. Sadly, I strongly suspect it will never be reprinted, for reasons that will be obvious to anyone who's read the ending...
― Douglas, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I finally got around to the first LoSH Waid/Kitson trade and - yowza, tremendous stuff. God, it occurs to me that I've found another burden on my finances.
― R Baez, Friday, 23 January 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Hey, I'm having an ass-y week and need a comfort food superhero epic to read over the weekend. Any recommendations? Something actually good, as opposed to kitschy. Anyone read the Busiek JLA/Avengers -- something along those lines. Maybe I'll get to finally read The Dark Phoenix...
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 January 2009 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Great Darkness Saga!
― Oh Why, Sports Coat? (Dr. Superman), Friday, 23 January 2009 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I greatly miss my 3D copy of Destroy!! from when I was a youngin. Very strange to realize many years later that the same guy did Understanding Comics.
― Nhex, Friday, 23 January 2009 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Walt Simonson's Thor, Chuck!! The Surtur Saga!
― Amadeo, Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Chuck, I like the Busiek JLA/Avengers a bunch--just read the whole thing in one sitting recently. (Also, Trinity turns out to be a sequel to it in part. The first few chapters of Trinity didn't do a lot for me, but it's ramped up into something I'm enjoying a lot in a read-on-the-treadmill-at-the-gym way.)
Maybe it's a good time to read a bunch of Ultimate Spider-Man? Kicks into comfort-food-style high gear a few volumes in.
― Douglas, Saturday, 24 January 2009 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Only tangentially comics related, but I've just got into The Venture Bros and it's fucking great.
― chap, Saturday, 24 January 2009 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Just read this recently. I wish this book had more detail about his technique during his prime, but I liked that it wasn't a fanboy piece. Dude's take seems to be that Ditko basically wasted the last 40 years of his career. His summation is pretty bleak.
Digging Morrison's All-Star Superman, but like a lot of his writing lately, it feels as though he's cut out every other panel. Tons of detail and density, which is great, but it's all spat out too fast to establish any rhythm or tone.
Concur, but it was still the last thing I read that was kicking my ass. I'm hoping that the new Scott Pilgrim and Seaguy 2 do some asskicking for me when they come out.
― tricked by a toothless cobra, Monday, 26 January 2009 02:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, no, I don't concur with that at all. Rhythm and tone is what kicked my ass about GM's Superman in the first place! I get what you're saying, but I think cutting out every other panel works out really well in the first half of the series and establishes those things nicely. The second half got a lot more slack and I was somewhat disappointed in it as a result-- it didn't seem to have the same breathless pace as the first six issues.
― tricked by a toothless cobra, Monday, 26 January 2009 05:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Also it helps that he's working with Superman, not the most obscure cultural figure. I am thinking specifically here of the opening four-panel eight-sentence page, which basically just goes "This is a story about Superman. You know, Superman!".
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 January 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link
On the second volume of Rocky - swedish cartoon animal character gets drunk, tries to get laid, hates the world, listens to Hip-Hop. Peter Bagge is a big fan and so am I.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 26 January 2009 12:21 (fifteen years ago) link
That Rocky strip appears in a local newspaper, I like the general feel of the strip, but it rarely seems to have any proper jokes. Maybe it works better in collections though? Personally I prefer Arne Anka, an earlier Swedish strip which had a very similar basic idea (a cynical antropomorphic animal sits in pubs, hates the world, tries to get laid), except that the protagonist was a Donald Duck parody. Actually, I think Rocky must've been influence by Arne Anka, since it was quite well known in Sweden, even outside the comic scene. I don't think Arne Anka has ever been translated to English though...?
― Tuomas, Monday, 26 January 2009 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I dig Rocky more as a mood piece, I guess? The humor is more in the general desperation of the dude's lifestyle than in the punch-lines, which yeah seldom work. A swedish friend bought me the first volume and I was sorta underwhelmed, but strangely when the second showed up I was all "sweet!" and am enjoying reading it quite a lot...yeah, I'd say the collection format suits it well.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 26 January 2009 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I think many "punchlineless" comic strips (like Mutts for example) generally work better as collections than as individual strips in the papers, because you get a better feel of the general mood then.
― Tuomas, Monday, 26 January 2009 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
reading Cerebus vol. 1...yeah the art's not that great, those early issues look nothing like, say, High Society, but the writing isn't bad at all...I wouldn't mind recommending this...
― seppuku toothbrush (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 26 January 2009 17:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, it gets a bad rap, and certainly it isn't as ambitious as the rest of Cerebus, but if you have even moderate interest in sword & sorcery stuff it's pretty solid reading.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 26 January 2009 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Once it hits its stride about a third of the way in, vol 1 is consistently very funny as well. And it's fascinating to watch Sim's draughtsmanship improve noticeably by the issue - his style develops before your eyes.
― chap, Monday, 26 January 2009 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
by issue 300 he can almost draw
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 26 January 2009 20:57 (fifteen years ago) link
What's even better is something like 'Get Fuzzy', which tends not to be 3 frames of set-up, 1 frame of punchline, but have a decent joke in almost every panel, and in collected form combines this really well with the ongoing storylines.
― James Morrison, Monday, 26 January 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
okay if you guys aren't reading X-Factor right now, you are FOOLS
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link
oh and I also recommend the "oddly compelling" Squadron Supreme because it shouldn't work AT ALL yet... it does!
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link
If you didn't bail when Larry Stroman was stinking up the joint a few months ago, then you are made of sterner stuff than most (or are just lazy when it comes to updating yr pull list).
― David R., Tuesday, 27 January 2009 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Can we talk about the last X-Factor issue yet? Cause seriously OMGWTF HOLY SHIT-KABOBS
― Mordy, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Stroman was sucking hardcore, yes; however, the story has gone to an incredibly amazing place.
PAD wants people to wait 3 MONTHS before talking about what's happening! Obv this is total crazypants but part of me wants to honor that because I don't think the issue would have worked as well for me if I'd known what was going to happen.
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Notes for a War Story by Gipi continues First Second's astonishing track record; it's as fully realized and intelligent a story as I've ever seen in the medium.http://www.firstsecondbooks.com/warStory.html
Crogan's Vengeance is awesome pirate pulp, recommended for fans of Stan Sakai and Trondheim and Tin Tin. I tend to be dismissive of the parade of Oni Press stuff but this was hawt and I can't wait to see where Schweizer goes next with this story!http://www.onipress.com/preview.php?bid=352&pid=172
― microsoft and I decided to do some t-shirts (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 31 January 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Reading the new What If? anthology. The Namor story is on a real pulpy horror kick.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link
ESSENTIAL MAN-THING v.2 - Ass is being kicked. Haven't read much of the post-Gerber stuff (though I did dip into the Claremont run when I was first getting into comics) so quality may drop precipitiously (sp-too lazy to fix) after he leaves.
Also reading the Nikolai Dante collections as they filter over here. I'm behind, sadly. Boy but I loves me some Simon Fraser.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 3 February 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.sparehed.com/2007/05/14/dagwood-splits-the-atom/
― Dear Tacos, how are you? I am fine. The weather is nice. I miss yo (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Other than what has been coming out new, here is some of my current reading list:
Essential Fantastic Four Vol. 1 - I've been commenting on the issues. I read the back to back Doom issues 16 and 17, but just haven't posted on them yet.
Jack Kirby's Fourth World - I actually started with Byrnes run on vol. 3 New Gods #12-15 and am up to #14 of the Fourth World title. I also read the Genesis mini-series as it fell in the storyline. The Genesis series is pretty rub, way too many characters needed for the story. It would have worked better with just maybe the New Gods and the JLA, as they really forced all of these goofy characters in that only lasted for another six months. Lord that version of the DC Universe is just freaking strange. The actual New Gods/Fourth World run is not bad and parts are pretty good. I think Byrne did a pretty good job fleshing out the backgrounds on some of the characters, especially some of the flashbacks with Mister Miracle. I get into it and read a couple of issues then come back a week or so later. Eventually I am going to read Walt Simonson's Orion, as it followed this run.
I really like Doktor Sleepless. I read the last two issues a week or so ago. The first arc introduced the good Doktor and what he is all about. The second arc changes the perspective as it is more looking at what the Doktor has wrought, which works pretty well.
Another series I have been working through is the newer Jonah Hex book. My comic shop guy is like a crack dealer with a discount, the dude knows I am a sucker for runs so he fronts me the first three years for like $30 bucks. It is a pretty cool book with some nice artwork. Not every issue works, but some of them have been really good. I just finished #24 which is a Halloween story and features other DC Western Comic characters Bat Lash and El Diablo, who have appeared in a few issues.
The same 'dealer' also has set me up with sets or near sets of some Vertigo books like The Losers, Outlaw Nation and Deadenders which I will eventually get to reading. My boxes runneth over with stuff yet to read, but I like going out every week or so to get more comics.
I've also been reading through Frank Miller's Daredevil run for the first time in 20 years and reading verious old Batman issues, some I have read before and some are new to me (like the Doug Moench/Kelley Jones stuff and some of Alan Grant's various stories).
I've also gotten caught up on some of the Marvel titles I was following like Iron Man, the two Avengers books and I am getting near caught up on Captain America and Daredevil.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
I Will Destroy All The Civilized Planets is one hell of a ride. What do you guys think of the conclusion? Because the easy thing to do when reading the original comics is to sentimentalize it "yeah the dude was amazingly incompetent but boy did he love his medium", sort've an Ed Wood thing, but then you get this portrait of the guy and he doesn't come across as even remotley sympathetic, does he?
Also read second volume of Lady Snowblood, which is great nasty pulp fun. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER the volume ends with an ur gonna get raped cliffhanger, tho NO MORE SPOILER
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I am still loving X-Factor, to the point where I am tempted to seek out and buy everything else PAD has ever written.
― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I followed your Thunderbolts recommendation and loved it, Dan, but I don't think I can follow you to X-Franchise-Land. But just in case I do, what issues am I looking for?
― WmC, Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:10 (fifteen years ago) link
There was a recent reboot of X-Factor where they were turned into a detective agency; you're basically looking for X-Factor Volume 3:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Factor_(comics)#X-Factor_.282005_-_Present.29
Trades of 1 - 25 are available; they went through a recent patch of hideous art but came out the other side with some glorious storytelling.
― Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 15:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Was PAD's detective Madrox mini-series collected? That might be a better place to start.
― O Bama, Up Yours! (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Just got a couple of Howard Cruze collections and I forgot what a good cartoonist and storyteller dude was/is.
― Throwing Puffy under the gay bus, whatever that means (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 February 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, it was. There are also several collections of PAD's first run on X-Factor from the '90s, featuring the aforementioned hideous artist's hideous art when it was slightly less hideous.
― Manuel Doritos (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 26 February 2009 00:23 (fifteen years ago) link
The METAMORPHO showcase volume is off the rails. That is all.
― Matt M., Thursday, 26 February 2009 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I got off the Showcase wagon so long ago, when I noticed I had like ten volumes taking up lots of space and I really didn't read most of them all the way through. I bet there's been so much good stuff since I stopped checking!
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 26 February 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Throwing Puffy under the gay bus, whatever that means (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 February 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm off all the Showcases except the Superman stuff.
― Oh Why, Sports Coat? (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 26 February 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
oh, and the Legion books.
HALL OF BEST KNOWLEDGE
― R Baez, Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Scott Pilgrim, too (obv).
Oh, and this, despite the fact that I've yet to crack open a copy.
― R Baez, Thursday, 26 February 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
My favourite gag in this Scott Pilgrim is when Scott gets asked about what he's gonna do with his future and he goes "the future? like, with jet packs?"
Just finished James Sturm's America triology - very good, unassuming stuff. Saw him do a lecture and interviewed the man as well, really nice guy.
Path Of The Assassin, first volume. On a level with Lone Wolf, probably funnier too. And hope I don't sound too broken recordy here, but yeah, rapey rape rape again. I suppose I should stop reading Koike if I have such a problem with that, but damn, he's too good.
Mouse Guard: Fall 1152 - AMAZING art. Sort've generic fantasy plot, but he pulls it off well.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Also is there any discussion on ILC about SCALPED? A friend has called it "The Wire on a reservation".
Bodyworld - I just love it so much...the colour, the characters, the sci-fi touches that grow to become what the story is about, the romance angle... Read it! It's free!
― Amadeo, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought scalped was somewhat sub-par and predictable 'angry-young-man' comicslop based on the one trade I bought, but I don't care for Jason Aaron.
― WOOKIE JOHNSON (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I am not sold on Scalped either, but it did get better after the first trade. The first volume was a little preposterous. I didn't really think you could still use nunchucks to try to convince readers your protagonist was badass.
― arango, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
YOUNG LIARS is heady sensationalist fun - sure every other attempt at "hipness" the book aims for falls flat, but, gosh, it's genuinely exhilirating. I'm especially fond of the way the central point of audience identification is probably quite psychotic.
― R Baez, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Everybody on this board has to go buy a copy of Guibert's The Photographer now; it's the best thing I've read this year in any medium.
― the toxic Internet art of constant callous one upsmanship (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I do like "The Photographer" a hell of a lot (and hated Young Liars at first but have come to enjoy it enormously).
The book I've been saying "omigod you have to see" about, though, is C. Tyler's "You'll Never Know," which I think comes out in a couple of weeks. Best thing she's ever done.
― Douglas, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I love Tyler and will buy that on sight.I went to this event: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/events/exhibits/thephotographer/and got to meet Guibert. Real sweet guy! I ended up buying another copy just to have him sign it.Also got to meet and talk to Juliette; she's a real force.
― the toxic Internet art of constant callous one upsmanship (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I posted this on ILE at recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire
but it was suggested that I post it here too:
My gf just referred this question to me, since I've been reading a decent amount of graphic novels the past year or so, but now I'm passing this on to you all to see if you have any advice:
I'm a magazine editor who needs to solicit an article on graphicnovels-only I'm not overly familiar with the genre and don't have a tonof time for research. The magazine I work for covers issues related towar and peace, poverty, and social justice, so I'd like the writer tofocus on new graphic novels (out within the last couple years) thataddress these issues. Anyone out there who follows the genre and canpoint me in a few directions - or know of good writing on it?
"out within the last couple years" is the difficult part for me, since I've spent the last year mainly trying to get familiar with touchstones that have been out for a long time. So while Maus would be great, it's also a few decades old.
Persepolis seems like a decent recommendation, although it's a few years old now. Anyone else have any ideas?
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link
btw, the responses I've gotten so far have mentioned Joe Sacco's Palestine and Safe Area Gorazde, Howard Cruse's Stuck Rubber Baby, Pyongyang by Guy Delisle, and Exit Wounds by Rutu Modan.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Thursday, 4 June 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Again, The Photographer is in this group. Maybe Brought To Light?
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Brought To Light is worth mentioning for historical context and maybe as a template that other social justice graphic novels could be measured against, but it's 20 years old now.
― resistance is feudal (WmC), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Yep, that's the only problem with most of these recommendations. Sacco's stuff is several years old, so is Stuck Rubber Baby. Exit Wounds is from last year, and Pyongyang and Persepolis from 2005, so probably recent enough.
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Photographer came out this month...
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, sorry Forks, I didn't see that. The amazon description looks like it would fit well.
Jeez, I'm coming up with this list for some magazine editor but I'm going to end up buying all of these myself..
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link
http://us.macmillan.com/alanswar
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
also deogratias, ayo, vietnam war journal, laika, notes for a war story...and of course, cosign on alan's war, though it feels less contemporary
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
more info: http://www.firstsecondbooks.com/collection.html
Oh and James Sturm! God, Gold and Golems!
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:38 (fifteen years ago) link
deogratias, ayo, notes for a war story and sturm are all around a year or two old.
also REALLY feeling the Kim Dong Hwa "Color of" series, based on the first book.
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:39 (fifteen years ago) link
great recommendations, all!
I'm writing up an email to this person. She probably doesn't want to read 15 books. If you could pick 4, which would you go for?
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
my vote would be photographer, exit wounds, palestine and god gold and golems
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
with notes for a war story as a close fifth.
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 June 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
How about throwing in some fiction? The first volume or two of DMZ, maybe? I might even say Special Forces, depending on who I was talking to...
But yes, The Photographer and Exit Wounds both get a big thumbs-up. (And yes I know the latter is fiction.)
Palestine was first published in 1993, I believe.
― Douglas, Thursday, 4 June 2009 21:24 (fifteen years ago) link
The Sturm books go back to 1996, 1997-ish too.
― Chaka Demus & Plies (sic), Thursday, 4 June 2009 23:56 (fifteen years ago) link
the compilation is fairly new though.
― pending echeques (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2009 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow 'Brought To Light' is over twenty years old now - it still packs quite a punch and some of the coverage is like a template for the future (removes tinfoil hat)...
― BlackIronPrison, Friday, 5 June 2009 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I think she should definitely check out Jason Lutes' Berlin too, if the fact that it's unfinished is not a problem. The second book came out last year, so it's quite recent.
― Tuomas, Friday, 5 June 2009 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
RE: YOUNG LIARS VOL. 2 AND ITS CONTENTS, WHICH I READ LATE INTO A VERY HUMID EVENING
Ah, now there's something you don't see often.
― R Baez, Thursday, 11 June 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
New Richard Sala is pretty dope; definite refinement of his technique and talents.
― Want some guap-a-mole or salsa with your chips? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 June 2009 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
DYLAN DOG
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 11 June 2009 19:39 (fifteen years ago) link
wish there was an english omnibus of DD
― Want some guap-a-mole or salsa with your chips? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 11 June 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
ALSO:
A DRIFTING LIFE by Yoshihiro TatsumiLEGION OF SUPER-HEROES by Giffen/Bierbaums/Gordonand that scene in SHORTCOMINGS (Tomine) where the fence-sitter tells our all-around unpleasant protagonist that she's afraid she'll pretty much destroy him if she reveals her true opinion about him.
― R Baez, Thursday, 11 June 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 12 June 2009 05:39 (Yesterday)
― Want some guap-a-mole or salsa with your chips? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 June 2009 06:36 (Yesterday)
err... apart from the one that came out in April? I kvetched about them retaining the Groucho-censoring from the last version
― other instrument (sic), Friday, 12 June 2009 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/Dylan-Dog-Case-Files/dp/1595822062/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244780995&sr=8-1did not know this came out, will buy.
― Want some guap-a-mole or salsa with your chips? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:30 (fifteen years ago) link
It's really no big deal. Sure they changed the name but it's not like it isn't obvious it's him, in look and behaviour.
Forks, I heartily reccomend that omnibus. The format's a bit unwieldly (if you gather that much material you really should make the damn thing hardcover imo), but the contents are great - wonderful tongue-in-cheek giallo influenced adventures, plus beautiful Mike Mignola covers. I'm surprised by all the mentions of DD as Italy's best selling comic book, though, since it ain't exactly all ages.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 12 June 2009 08:35 (fifteen years ago) link
they changed the name
and the art.
― Man GoGo (sic), Friday, 12 June 2009 08:54 (fifteen years ago) link
That sounds weird... I didn't know anyone could own the copyright to the name and appearance of a real person.
― Tuomas, Friday, 12 June 2009 08:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Huh, you're right, I had no idea. That is quite puzzling, I have to say - all they did was remove the moustache! So why is Cerebus allowed to feature a moustachoid Lord Julius, and Dylan Dog can't have his groucho sidekick? Because DD sells more? In Italy, sure, but in the US? And it's not like Dylan Dog couldn't make the same claims to satire that I imagine get Cerebus off free...
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 12 June 2009 10:00 (fifteen years ago) link
War That Time Forgot - hell of a franchise to revive. Lots of geeky fun with soldiers from all eras and nations trying to survive in a dinosaur filled island. GI Robot even makes an appearence!
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 29 June 2009 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ATTN Eurocomix fans - the latest entry in the Spirou & Fantasio Par... series is pretty fucking awesome. Spirou and Fantasio in occupied Belgium fighting nazis - mostly comical but often quite shockingly bloody (for Spirou, I mean, this isn't Ennis or anything.) Main attraction, though, is Olivier Schwartz's amazing art. Just a breathatking amount of detail, the dude really takes advantage of the deluxe format. Tons of visual cameos by eurocomix characters, too, this feels like a belgian League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen (and I'd be very thankful if there were a Jess Nevins type to tackle it, since I don't know the belgian/french canon that well.)
Also features a dicussion on Herge's status as a german collaborator.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 4 July 2009 00:36 (fifteen years ago) link
What's the deal with that? I thought the extent of his "collaboration" was that he continued publishing Tintin in Belgian newspapers during the German occupation, and that he was later cleared of any charges?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 4 July 2009 09:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Well yeah. The paper he originally worked for shut down and he ended up at Le Soir, which at the time was 100% a mouthpiece for nazi propaganda. The extent to which "collaboration" in this sense is excusable is a big part of what the new Spirou is about, actually - the hotel Spirou works at as a bell hop gets drafted into being the new headquarters of the Gestapo.
Wikipedia says it's all a bit more irksome than that, though:
In these stories, Hergé placed more emphasis on characters than plot, and indeed Tintin's most memorable companions, Captain Haddock and Cuthbert Calculus (In French Professeur Tryphon Tournesol), were introduced at this time. Haddock debuted in The Crab with the Golden Claws and Calculus in Red Rackham's Treasure.
The Shooting Star was nonetheless controversial. The story line involved a race between two crews trying to reach a meteorite which had landed in the Arctic. Hergé chose a subject that was as fantastic as possible to avoid issues related to the crisis of the times and to thereby avoid trouble with the censors. Nonetheless politics intruded. The crew Tintin joined was composed of Europeans from Axis or neutral countries ("Europe") while their underhanded rivals were Americans (although in later editions the US flag was removed from the rival ship, see the image on The Shooting Star page), financed by a person with a Jewish name and what Nazi propagandists would dub "Jewish features"[20]. Tintin also flies in a German plane in the book (an Arado Ar 196).
In a scene which appeared when the story was being serialised in Le Soir, two Jews, depicted in classic anti-Semitic caricature, are shown watching Philippulus harassing Tintin. One actually looks forward to the end of the world, arguing that it would mean that he would not be obliged to settle with his creditors (see the image on the Ideology of Tintin page).
and later:
During and after the German occupation Hergé was accused of being a collaborator because of the Nazi control of the paper (Le Soir), and he was briefly taken for interrogation after the war.[22] He claimed that he was simply doing a job under the occupation, like a plumber or carpenter.
After the war Hergé admitted that: "I recognize that I myself believed that the future of the West could depend on the New Order. For many, democracy had proved a disappointment, and the New Order brought new hope. In light of everything which has happened, it is of course a huge error to have believed for an instant in the New Order"[23]. However, the Tintin character was never depicted as adhering to these beliefs. However, it has been argued that anti-Semitic themes continued, especially in the post-war Flight 714.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 4 July 2009 12:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about the Jewish bad guys in Shooting Star. Even though they only appear in a few panels, it's kinda obvious they're Jewish stereotypes, which I guess shows Hergé hadn't yet shed all of his right-wing bigotry, even though it's less obvious than in the first few Tintin books.
However, I don't really see any anti-semitism in Flight 714. Okay, Laszlo Carreidas is a manipulative penny-pincher, but so is Scrooge McDuck. Nothing in Carreidas' character makes him feel particularly Jewish, and it'd be kinda weird to claim that every rich miser in fiction is supposed to be a Jewish stereotype.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 4 July 2009 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think Herge was actively a Nazi by any means, but he undoubtedly held a few of the prejudices common for a man of his time. Harry Thompson's biog pretty much completely exonerates him of any accusations of racism, but I think gives him a bit of an easy ride.
― chap, Saturday, 4 July 2009 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link
"Nazi" and "collaborator" are distinct accusations, too - I think the commonly held view of collaborators in the occu+ied countries is that they did what they did because of greed, selfishness, cowardice, etc. and not too often because they actually believed in nazi ideals, though anti-semitism might often factor into it.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 4 July 2009 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link
King Ottakar's Sceptre (1938) is actually explicitly anti-Nazi, the ruler of Borduria being called Mustler - though it attacks expansionism and militarism rather than any specific ideologies.
― chap, Saturday, 4 July 2009 13:55 (fifteen years ago) link
There's some good material on this in the documentary (Tintin and Me? I think it's called.) But, uh, I get the impression Herge was more of a Wodehousian "useful idiot".
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link
If you read the first handful of Tintin books (especially Tintin in Congo), it's pretty obvious he was a racist at least until The Blue Lotus. Then again, like Chap said, his racial views are pretty much in line with the mainstream European colonialist thinking of that era. The Blue Lotus, of course, is famous for its strong (at least strong for its time) anti-racist depiction of the Chinese, but even after that Hergé's views on race and culture were kinda convoluted. You have those Jewish stereotypes in The Shooting Star, yet in Seven Crystal Balls/Prisoners of the Sun he shows a lot of respect for the Incas, so it's hard to imagine him believing in some Aryan Nazi ideal. After The Blue Lotus, Hergé tried to show respect for the various ethnicities and cultures he depicted in Tintin, but from time to time he still falls for the "noble savage" stereotype. Even in The Red Sea Sharks, a story that was written as a response to Hergé finding out that the slavery of Africans still exists, the Africans themselves are depicted as not particularly bright.
In fact, you could view the whole Tintin series as a story of a man who was born into a conservative family during a racist era gradually trying to shed away the prejudices he had learned, even if remnants of those prejudices still remained with him until the end. Still, I think The Blue Lotus and the stories that followed it clearly show more respect for various cultures and ethnicities that most other Western children's fiction of that era.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I can get with that interpretation.
― chap, Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
It's worth noting that while the Blue Lotus' portrayal of Chinese culture is quite progressive its depictions of the Japanese is just flat out racist.
― chap, Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link
READINGS OVER THE PAST MONTH OR THEREABOUTS:
Old-ass comicsDOOM PATROL ARCHIVES VOL. 1: Squishes X-Men.
Way old-ass comicsI SHALL DESTROY ALL THE CIVILIZED PLANETS by Fletcher Hanks: God, the only way that title could've been more perfect, was if there was some unexpected punctuation. And in much the same vein...SUPERMEN!: THE FIRST WAVE OF COMIC BOOK HEROES 1936 - 1941: One mind-bending aspect guaranteed per story, and sometimes four or five - I doubt the viability of having a dopefiend as one's own alter-ego, but then again I've never been compelled to fight crime. Also: you learn to appreciate the brio of early Gardner Fox.
Comics That Wouldn't Exist Without Way Old-Ass Comics:MR. MONSTER VOL. 1 by Michael T. GilbertSNAKE 'N' BACON'S CARTOON CABARET by Michael Kupperman
Comics That Wouldn't Exist Without Gary Panter:KRAMERS ERGOT 5 by Sundry And Various: Extra-textual tid-bit: Three bucks!NINJA by Brian Chippendale: As commentary, I suppose I'll allow an ellipsis here to stand for both awe and exasperation.
Comics That Wouldn't Exist Without Mark Beyer:AMY + JORDAN by Mark Beyer
― R Baez, Monday, 6 July 2009 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link
SNAKE 'N' BACON'S CARTOON CABARET by Michael Kupperman
This dude is pure quality on Twitter.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 6 July 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
It doesn't appear to be too popular around here, but I thought the end of the fourth Scalped trade "Gravel In your Guts" was pretty wild. I think the series has accelerated and improved as it has went, as this filled in quite a bit about Red Crow (the gangster running the reservation). If you like Criminal, I would figure you would like this series.
Mr. Monster was pretty cool. I was a big fan of that series when it was coming out. Michael Gilbert was also one of the cooler guys I remember meeting at a convention. Too bad the character and Gilbert have vanished. Another kind of similar odd ball super hero comic from the 80s, one that really reminds me of Mike Allred's Madman I dug from that time was The Jam by Bernie Mireault.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 02:47 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, i liked that too! comico, i think.
― an average room of dentists (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I loved The Jam. Pretty sure I still have my copies of that one. Loved that golden age of indies...Grendel, Elementals, Nexus and Badger, Melody and Omaha for the softcore-smut-inclined...
― Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link
too bad the character and Gilbert have vanished
mercy killing, given the late-90s material
ripping liefeld by hiring teenagers to draw Alan Moore scripts
― surm? lol (sic), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 05:07 (fifteen years ago) link
gilbert has been a regular contributor to ALTER EGO magazine since the first issue, so he's not 'vanished' really
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 7 July 2009 06:29 (fifteen years ago) link
is it just me, or is there a real shortage of good comics out there at the moment?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 13 July 2009 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link
The Jam bounced around between several pubbers, iirc. And yeah, I loved that thing. Wonder when Mage III is gonna kick out? Soon as the DC money pays off Wagner's house, I guess.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Monday, 13 July 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Hasn't Mage III been in the works for over 10 years now?
― Tuomas, Monday, 13 July 2009 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Maybe, but wouldn't that mean he's been on the job since Mage II? I sorta had the idea he was waiting to get old so it could be a little more metaphorically pseudoautobiographical.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Monday, 13 July 2009 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I've been pretty disappointed with the current slate of comics (X-Factor & Cap excepted), so I've been reading the Dark Horse reprints of The Savage Sword Of Conan. In the midst of volume 3 and absolutely loving it. Roy Thomas really hit his stride midway through the issues covered in volume 2.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 13 July 2009 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Tales Designed to Thrizzle collection is a very fine volume. It's bound like a five grade math text.
― A Fox TV Executive With Nothing To Lose (Dr. Superman), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 05:34 (fifteen years ago) link
I got some issue of it that came out a few weeks or months ago and have no idea what is supposed to be good about it besides some ok art.
― For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
Burma Chronicles is good.
― If You Like to Do Graphity, Don't Do It. Pull Your Pants (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
BATMAN AND ROBIN is good. Really good. Like just as insightful and entertaining as ALL STAR SUPERMAN good.
Which is pretty good.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 15 July 2009 21:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Speak of the Devil was brief noir fun; seems like a gimme for a film.
― more ▌▌▌▌in more places (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
is that Gilbert?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
yup. good stuff, but short and violent and unhinged.
― more ▌▌▌▌in more places (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Read The Photographer a few weeks ago - good story, beautiful photographs, but I found the drawings and graphic storytelling to be somewhat lacking (especially in comparison to the photos).
Asterios Polyp was just wonderful.
― Nhex, Monday, 27 July 2009 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I've been looking for someone to discuss Polyp with: didn't you find the ending trite and hackneyed?Couldn't disagree with you more about the photographer btw.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2009 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I admit it did work for me, I'm just a soft-hearted fool. (Also for some reason I'm a sucker for the Orpheus/Eurydice myth.) Really connected to Polyp as a character, he was amazingly well-captured. I guess I knew I would like this as soon as that early bit appeared explaining that the book was being narrated by his non-existent dead twin brother.
Unless you're referring to the shooting star bit, at which point I was just thinking, "Really? Was that necessary?" But man, the color choices, layouts, shifting styles, visual references and general invention were just so classic, I loved it.
By coincidence I also stumbled into two glowing reviews for it today, good points thereabouts.
― Nhex, Monday, 27 July 2009 03:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm with you actually; I'm referring to the death meteor. That shit was old when Bradbury tried it.
The acrobatics Mazzucchelli engages in artistically are impressive as hell, no doubt. He's innovative and clever but also hella pretentious and it often smacked of trying a bit too hard. More than other comics, it reminded me of Moody or Eggers; similar high points and similar failings.
Definite must-read for any comic book fan but a bit stunning in how hard it's trying.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2009 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
the fact that nobody's calling him on the obviousness of the metaphors and the ending suggests that you can get away with anything in comics if you cop to being literary. As much as I liked Fun Home, Bechdel gets away with some clumsy storytelling on the back of erudite aspiration in ways that lots of capes and tights guys would never dream of.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2009 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link
I think that's harsh - it also helps that, while the duality metaphors aren't the most subtle, I think the illustrated applications (applying technical geometric perfection and organic curves and linework, as well as the sheer variance of techniques used) are quite rich. It worked to connect the art with the story emotionally, for me, at least.
Some of the references did strike me as possibly pretentious, but they did make sense in the world of a main character who seemed not to live much outside of academia (the wife as well). Admittedly I didn't know the majority of them offhand, but it didn't bother me too much.
Kind of agree with you about Fun Home, that was a solid book but a bit static on the visual storytelling front... also, Bradbury, lol.
― Nhex, Monday, 27 July 2009 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link
when applied VISUALLY, I had no issue. Beating me over the head with your grad school philosophy and greek myth references in wordy double page spreads nakedly displaying your desire to be taken seriously as MODERN LITERATURE HEM HEM smacks of an inferiority complex.
I _am_ being harsh here, but Dave M's been working on this thang 4EVA and I think I wanted something a tetch more pitch perfect. It's a necessary addition to anybody's reading list who's interested in the heights of the current comix golden age. I'm just greedy and wanted more.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 July 2009 04:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Just finished the last Doom Patrol trade - X-Force pisstake at the back might be my favourite thing Morrison's ever written (nb I'm not a huge fan.)
Also read first volume of Green Manor by Fabien Vehlmann. A collection of short macabre episodes all set in the 19th century and connected to the club that gives the book its name. Pretty cool if you like Poe or the twisted morality of classic horror comics. It's available in english.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 27 July 2009 11:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Six Hundred And Seventy-Six Apparitions Of Killoffer by Killoffer, which I think may be one of my favorite comics ever. And really, why is a self-on-self-on-self-ad-infinitum orgy such a blind spot in the arts in general?
― R Baez, Thursday, 30 July 2009 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Jason's Low Moon. It doesn't show much evolution, but I gotta say, by now I consider him to be one of the all-time greats and he can keep doing exactly what he's done for infinity.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 30 July 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, his style isn't that versatile, but every one of his books that I've read has been more or less great. Except for the murder mystery book that was based on some novel (what was it called?), that was a bit underwhelming. I haven't read Low Moon yet, what's it about?
― Tuomas, Friday, 31 July 2009 11:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Five different stories, all using genre settings (noir, western, victoriana, sci-fi, contract killers), usually subverted by anachronisms. Melancholy and downbeat endings abound, of course. The best one is probably the title story, a western about a town where everybody plays chess.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 31 July 2009 12:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Johny Hiro will undoubtedly suffer because of the Scott Pilgrim comparsions, and the b&w takes some getting used to, but it's cute, exciting and funny. Also love the parts that are just him chilling with Grand Puba out of Brand Nubian.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 1 August 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Never heard of this but sounds like I should check it out, because of course Puba makes no mistakes.
― King Boy Banton Pato (sic), Sunday, 2 August 2009 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link
It's by Fred Chao, out on AdHouse books. 'S about this asian dude who lives in NYC with his japanese girlfriend and works at a sushi joint. The Pilgrim comparsions come in because it's about a Joe Average type who keeps having aburd crazy shit happen to him; but Hiro is a lot less oblivious, and more industrious, than Scott.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 2 August 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link
i've just read "Rue Britannia", the first "Phongram" collection - the one about the Britpop obsessed magician who can power his magical stuff from people's enjoyment of music. It is entertaining.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Another shout-out for Johnny Hiro. It's really funny and very sweet, and not in that "worried about being hip" way that SP is, either.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Kamandi in Wednesday Comics is a beaut. As is Hawkman.
― Marcus Brody Ta-Dow! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
PROBABLY A SLIGHT REITERATION OF SOMETHING I WROTE ABOVE:
It's been mostly eurocomics as of late, but the Drake/Premiani DOOM PATROLs have also been making my day.
― R Baez, Thursday, 6 August 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
what eurocomics have you been reading?
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
KILLOFFER, KILLOFFER, KILLOFFER, KILLOFFER, KILLOFFER (i.e. the one book he's got in english - it's kicked my ass more than anything has in months; kicking myself for not picking up that MOME he contributed to)
AND:Guibert's THE PHOTOGRAPHER
― R Baez, Thursday, 6 August 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i bought a random book of Pluto last night thinking it was a Tezuka one shot and discovered it was book 4. Think I'm gonna go buy the full series today. For those unfamiliar, it's a retelling of the seminal 'strongest robot in the world' story in Astro Boy.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link
it's so good man
― Nhex, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
is the whole run done/out yet? i started reading it in scanlations but got impatient, it being a monthly series
― Nhex, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Vol 4 just hit.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Friday, 7 August 2009 04:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Do I need to have read Astro Boy for it make sense? Sounds fun otherwise.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 9 August 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I've read the first 2 volumes and enjoyed them fine, not knowing anything about Astro Boy besides "there is a character called Astro Boy." The only problem I've noticed is that both volumes have ended on "Wow, it's X" scenes, both of which won't have any impact unless you know who X already is. Which I didn't, but whatever.
― Emmet Otter's SugBan Christmas (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 9 August 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Pluto is based on one of the best known (and most awesome) long form Astro Boy stories 'the greatest robot on earth' which is currently available in English in volume three of the shamefully miniature Dark Horse reprint edition. You don't HAVE to know that story or even anything about Mighty Atom, but it helps with a lot of GOTCHA moments and adds layers to the storytelling.
― im a fucking unicorn you douchebags (forksclovetofu), Monday, 10 August 2009 01:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's not necessary at all - in fact the main character of Pluto was based on a minor one in the original story. That said, hell, it's all contained in one cheap, small Astro Boy volume and a fun story to boot. It will definitely enhance your enjoyment of Pluto (the layers and re-interpetations are fantastic), so you might as well nab it.
― Nhex, Monday, 10 August 2009 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Done, I'll pick them both up tomorrow. I love Tezuka anyway, so no harm.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 10 August 2009 06:24 (fifteen years ago) link
that reissue of Moriarty's JACK SURVIVES looks super-delish
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 10 August 2009 10:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Just finished the second volume of the Chaland anthologies that Les Humanoids did a few years back. The quality of the stories seemed to decline over time (Holiday in Budapest is a good idea, the execution not quite so good) until F-52, which is an utterly stunning piece of work. A murder mystery without a murder set on a futuristic passenger plane, hauntingly beautiful artwork, genuinely unforgettable.
― Richard Jones, Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Just read "The Comet Of Carthage" myself (from the first Chaland volume), and floored as floored can be. It's rare to be utterly seduced by the rhythms of a work - whenever I think of that reveal of the collapsed road and the aghast faces of the driver and the passenger, I'm always inclined to smile.
― R Baez, Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Mentioned this elsewhere, but the manga Parasyte is spectacular.
― BOO LIAR BEN KONOP BOO BAD BOO BEN KONOP BOO (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 August 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Why oh why is so little of Manu Larcenet's work available in English? Just finished both books of Ordinary Victories and it's beyond striking. GF read it through and burst out crying multiple times.
― BOO LIAR BEN KONOP BOO BAD BOO BEN KONOP BOO (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 August 2009 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Earthboy Jacobus was a pretty fun read, I picked it up after enjoying CreatureTech. But then I made a mistake - after being a little weirded out by some political talking points that awkwardly cropped up in the story, I looked up Doug TenNapel on the internet and what he's written and awwwwwww man. Well, the guy's got some visual style, at least!
Just finished Darwyn Cooke's The Hunter, fun stuff! I suppose if you're looking for something more groundbreaking it's not gonna be satisfying, but man, his characters and layouts are just like candy to me. It was a little unusual to see such sparse dialogue and overused captioning/narration in his stuff (even compared to his Spirit work), but it's been a while since I read a fun ride, crime comic like this, maybe since the earlier Sin City series.
I wasn't familiar with Westlake/Stark, so as I was reading it I was totally thinking, "wow, this is a lot like Point Blank!" Heh.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 11:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Not a big comics stan, but a recent Alan Moore convert and am currently finishing off the second volume of League of Extraordinary Gents (that rambling dossier at the back is fun, but phew!). Looking forward to reading the next ones. What should I check out now I've read these and Watchmen?
― dog latin, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Top 10 is fun. Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Miracleman and From Hell are all pretty essential.
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
If you liked Watchmen more than LOEG, check out V for Vendetta and From Hell first. Both are among his more serious, philosophical and "dark" works, and both are excellent. Top 10 is essentially a police series taking place in a city where everyone's a superhero, it's great fun and less serious than Watchmen (though there's some drama too), just like LOEG. And if you like that one, you should also read Smax, which is kind of a sequel to Top 10, except that it's a fantasy parody, and even more humorous than Top 10.
If you like to explore Moore's sci-fi side, check out Halo Jones. It's not as meticulously plotted as Watchmen or From Hell, but it has some truly moving and cool moments. The same could be said of Swamp Thing (which is horror/fantasy rather than sci-fi), it's kinda uneven but the best bits are quite awesome and chilling too.
If you want to read a non-genre comic from him, A Small Killing is a nifty little book with beautiful art by Oscar Zarate. It's a (mostly) realistic story about a yuppie guy facing an identity crisis. For some reason it's not mentioned that often when people rate Moore's work, but it's one of my favourite comics by him.
Promethea is of acquired taste, but if you like to check out a comic that's essentially a lecture on Moore's beliefs about magic and the way the world works (with some mind-blowingly imaginative art by J. H. Williams III), it's certainly worth a read.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
thank tuomas - i guess i liked watchmen for completely different reasons from league. i love the humour of league and the incredible amount of references to victorian/edwardian literary figures. i spent a whole morning on wikipedia looking up the ones i didn't recognise. otoh watchmen is a masterpiece - superbly drawn of course, but this somehow helps to turn the comic book format into more than just words and pictures. i think i appreciated the delicately woven plot more than that of league, but i like them equally.
― dog latin, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
*thanks - of and thanks to forksclove too.
― dog latin, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link
This site http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/7160/annos.html has some extremely comprehensive annotations for all volumes of the League. Really makes you appreciate the level of detail that Moore has crammed in there.
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
The wait for the 5th volume of Naoki Urasawa's Pluto to arrive in the mail is starting to kill me.
― Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Is it out now?!?!?! Comic book run today if so!
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know - it was in stock at amazon last week though, so probably. Viz says, "In stores: Sep. 15, 2009"
― Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Dope! Midtown comix and me!
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Dog Latin, I'm gonna second The Ballad of Halo Jones--I reread it recently, and it does a lot of things I think are pretty fantastic. Also co-sign on From Hell. And, if you can find a friend's copies, I adore (the unfinished) Big Numbers.
― Douglas, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Just read one of the Roy Thomas/Michael Gilbert/P. Craig Russel Elric adaptations from 1986 or so. Far better than I expected it to be, though would seem awfully wordy by today's standards.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 15 September 2009 23:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Do I want to read that third volume of LOEG?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 01:38 (fifteen years ago) link
The Black Dossier isn't the third volume, if that's what you're asking - the third volume is currently being serialised, one issue a year or so.
(You do want to read the Black Dossier, but borrow it instead of paying DC)
― Young Scott Young (sic), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 02:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you mean it's not worth buying or that DC shouldn't be paid for something they did? (Not that I would anyway, go-go public library!)
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't think Black Dossier was all that great tbh--lots of candy for nerds but little in the way of compelling content (for me.)
― ian, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 05:25 (fifteen years ago) link
DC don't deserve money for that book based on their extreme fuckery of authors, customers, and retailers with regard to it, imo
― Young Scott Young (sic), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 05:52 (fifteen years ago) link
New Pluto was again excellent... now the painful wait for volume six begins. I really feel like this is the best comic book story I've read in at least twenty years. It's hitting me like nothing else I've read in at least that long, and like I never thought anything would again. Kind of reminds me of when I was first reading Watchmen (which it's similar to in a lot of ways).
― Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link
What's New Pluto, I've never heard of it?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry, should read, The new Pluto (i.e. Naoki Urasawa's Pluto)...http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7969
― Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
pretty spectacular.
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
WE ALL DIE ALONE by Mark Newgarden - Baez's "Religious Conversion" of the month. Mindboggling and kinda sui generis.
― R Baez, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
So I'm gonna stan for Jason again but Why Are You Doing This? is amazing franco-belgian inspired (those tiny panels!) Hitchcockian goodness, with a pretty devastating ending.
Also Pax Romana, which I realise I'm way late to the party on.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2009 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Seven Soldiers really clicked for me. It's great!and the new Dungeon is, per usual, awe inspiring. Sfar, Blain and Trondheim are as good as anybody in the game.
― EVERYBODY WANNA BOOOOO ME BUT I’M A FAN OF REAL POP CULTURE! (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 September 2009 04:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I really got into Jason this past year myself - really dig his stuff. I think my favorite story so far might be Hitler.
― Nhex, Friday, 18 September 2009 06:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Those Elric comics written by Roy Thomas are all pretty good. Elric: The Dreaming City has some really amazing artwork by P. Craig Russell.
― earlnash, Friday, 18 September 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Turns out Why Are You Doing This? is from 2005. Coulda sworn I got it from the new releases section!
I Killed Adolf Hitler is great. I also love The Last Musketeer for its loving homage to 19th century proto-pulp, and the early work compilation Pocket Full Of Rain.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 19 September 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Srsly, why am I smoking the Blackest Night rock when there's so much Jason left to chase?
― there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 19 September 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Just read the first two volumes of Robert Kirkman's The Astounding Wolf-Man - fun stuff! It feels somewhat like Ultimate Spider-Man did in the beginning. The pacing so far is pretty good.
― Nhex, Thursday, 24 September 2009 00:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Stitches: A Memoir by David Small. Probably one of the most messed up childhood autobios I've read that didn't involve physical or sexual abuse. Some really great imagery sprinkled throughout, especially this one page where the father admits something terrible, and another where the mother is caught. Don't read the blurbs or previews - the hooks that got me to read it actually aren't revealed until towards the end, so some of the surprise was lost on me.
― Nhex, Thursday, 8 October 2009 05:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I just reviewed it over at Bookforum (warning: spoilers): http://u.nu/5ukg3
― Douglas, Thursday, 8 October 2009 06:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Last volume of Larry Gonick's History of the Modern World hits shelves; might spur me to reread universe and modern in order.
― "Keep Tweeting", Raged Roger The Kindly Hippopotamus. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 8 October 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link
this picturehttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bdVR-JIDi2g/RvH4V_HZ04I/AAAAAAAADcI/a7WwZqpkf0c/s1600-h/5510_4_011.jpg
― I'm the best maaaayne, I did it (CaptainLorax), Friday, 9 October 2009 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7974/55104011.jpg
― I'm the best maaaayne, I did it (CaptainLorax), Friday, 9 October 2009 13:29 (fifteen years ago) link
destroyer max, mostly because of the artwork. cory walkers drawings + val staples colouring = magic.
― ☆, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link
God, I fucking love Batman and Robin. Haven't read #5 yet (I don't get my comics til the end of the month), and it suffers from the loss of Quitely on issue #4, but Jesus. SEXY DISCO HOT
― More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Monday, 12 October 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Is anyone reading Jeff Lamire's "Sweet Tooth"? Certainly on basis of first two issues it is a comic of total amazingness.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 October 2009 10:02 (fifteen years ago) link
FINDER: DREAM SEQUENCE. Just that. Why Carl Speed McNeil isn't lording over all of comicdom with an iron fist, I just don't know.
― Matt M., Monday, 12 October 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I will sing Carla Speed McNeil's praises any time anyone gives me the slightest opportunity to. (I think the only reason she's not lording over all of comicdom is that she's not the greatest self-promoter, e.g. her web site currently lists only one of her many books.) She's got a couple of projects in the hopper that I suspect are going to blow some minds, too.
― Douglas, Monday, 12 October 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I really like Finder but haven't read too much of it (though I did read Dream Sequence.)
― ian, Monday, 12 October 2009 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
That's about the only thing that Carla and I have in common, it seems. Maybe I should take some Prozac and then I'd learn to get over my pathologic fear of self-promotion. Maybe.
― Matt M., Monday, 12 October 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Just got my copy of Crumb's Genesis today and it is WONDERFUL.
― WmC, Monday, 26 October 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
tru
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 01:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Woah, I want Genesis and the new History of the world really bad now!
― Dan I., Tuesday, 27 October 2009 04:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I got the big omnibus of Brubaker's Iron Fist and it's kicking my ass all kinds of ways. What's the ILC stance on the Brub?
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 30 October 2009 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link
on a par with Ellis for me, for better and worse.
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 October 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Is there any reason why R. Crumb's Book of Genesis takes "1 to 3 months" to ship from Amazon? Did it really sell that much better than they expected?
― nearly one-third of a man (Z S), Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:22 (fifteen years ago) link
There was certainly a big scramble for it at my local comic book store, new Crumb + (unearned) controversy = $$$$$
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 15 November 2009 03:23 (fifteen years ago) link
gonna reiterate that it's astounding work
― because she looks awesome, like in the face (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 November 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
otm -- I sat back down with it last night and read the 2nd half pretty quickly. I've never really read the Bible before so I was basically getting the plot, lol. I'll be going back to study the artwork at more leisure.
I'm mindboggled at all the thumbnail portraits in the "begat" sections -- the variety and individuality in all those faces.
― WmC, Sunday, 15 November 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
It's extremely amusing to think of Robert Crumb being the one to get some people to read the Bible for the first time.
― Jeff LeVine, Monday, 16 November 2009 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link
i am having my ass kicked by the unforgivable shittiness of the art in batman & robin #6
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 November 2009 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Vagabond, in large doses, is truly the dopeness.A nice companion to the Samurai trilogy! I love the Miyamoti Musashi story.
― fifteen minutes of iguana time famous (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2009 05:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, Ode to Kirohito was NUTS. Really weird to look at it now, though I guess it was somewhat socially progressive for its time. There are a lot of gorgeous layouts and artwork throughout. Really enjoyed it, as I was baffled and dazzled by it equally. Hail Tezuka!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link
This review gets it right, and the comparison to Sam Fuller is perfect!
http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/briefings/commentary/6608/
― Nhex, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 09:51 (fifteen years ago) link
You've read most of his stuff right, Nhex?
― fifteen minutes of iguana time famous (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
No way! I only even started reading his stuff a few years ago, starting with 17 or so volumes of Astro Boy and been devouring what else my local libraries have. (Wish they had more than that one volume of Phoenix!) Ate up Buddha as well. So happy about these modern reprints of his work that have been coming out in recent years - definitely going to get to MW and Apollo's Song sometime soon.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I enjoyed Crumb's Book of Genesis but am staggered that it took him 5 years to do. Dang! I'm no big Crumb fan and would happily take recommendations on what collection of his to explore first. Also, the lit professor/critic Harold Bloom reviews it in the latest (Dec. 3) New York Review of Books. The web version is subscription only, and it's not worth the cover price, but if you're in a bookstore anytime soon, it's worth skimming. (I'm not saying that Harold Bloom is good or anything, I'm just saying that a well-known biblical scholar has reviewed Crumb's book.)
― Chelvis, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Wooo, it's comix Tuesday! I received Crumb's Genesis, the Fall issue of MOME, the Burns-edited Best American Comics 2009, and The Wolverton Bible. I am boning up on my illustrated Old Testament works this week.
― big darn deal (Z S), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I ordered the upcoming Marshal Law omnibus today. Supposedly shipping in December, but Top Shelf was supposed to have the Alec omnibus out in June/July and now they're saying that it might not ship until January. So if I get Marshal Law by next Thanksgiving I'll be happy.
I re-read the Marvel run recently and it holds up quite well. Still my favorite riff on the grim and gritty thing, especially because of O'Neill's grotesques. I like him better on Law and Nemesis than on the Alan Moore LoEG stuff.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 05:11 (fifteen years ago) link
That MARSHAL LAW omnibus is very tempting, even though I own all the original material (at least I think I do.) ODE TO KIROHITO is indeed totally nutso genius and should be read by everyone here. Imagine getting a chunk of that in your weekly comics reading in what, the seventies?
The best thing I've read recently was the latest trade of BPRD, which combined giant insects, corrupted Shangri-las and mechanized troops in a way that had me cackling the entire time. Bonus: Yeti shock troopers!
― Matt M., Thursday, 26 November 2009 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link
I took a chance and splurged on the first two volumes of the Jesse Marsh/Gaylord DuBois Dell Tarzan archives and they are AMAZIN'. The art is astonishing, almost naive but with panels so beautifully and brilliantly and consistently laid out that you can read entire stories on each page. Every figure is so CLEAN and well-thought. The perspective and musculature is nutty but the concern to impact is clear. It's very very obviously where the Hernandez Bros. draw their technique from.
― ilx mooncup (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 November 2009 01:19 (fifteen years ago) link
That new issue of Detective: whoa. Also Fraction & Larroca's Iron Man continues to be totally swell.
― Douglas, Thursday, 26 November 2009 05:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Forks, for more marsh love try and track down a copy of this old fanzine, which includes a lovely handwritten tribute to marsh by alex toth:
http://www.seriesam.com/barks/bm_pn02.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 26 November 2009 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link
i do also like large breasted ducks so that looks win-win
― ilx mooncup (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 26 November 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Just got all the current issues of season two of phonogram. I think i love Gillen. Is his marvel stuff any good?
― toastmodernist, Monday, 30 November 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Uh... what did you guys like about that Fletcher Hanks book?
― Nhex, Monday, 30 November 2009 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
the mentalness.
Gillen posted on ILM a handful of times back in the day, incidentally
― BACH STARKER (sic), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link
The mentalness and the proto-Basil Wolverton lunacy, too.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 1 December 2009 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link
One thing I loved about the Fletcher Hanks book is that even though his actual rendering is... eccentric (and he has exactly one pose/facial expression for each character), his composition is AMAZING. The image reproduced at http://fletcherhanks.com/CONTACT.html --wow.
― Douglas, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
^ this - the compositions are astounding. he's erratic, so it's not like his ON all the way through, but the best pages are some of the most striking and distinctive i've ever seen. love the composition, stylization, psychedelic wtf-ness, weird crutches to get around his limitations, everything.
can't find it, but there's a single panel in the "civilized planets" collection that depicts two jungle explorer dudes looking through a thicket of tropical foliage. seen from behind (of course), framing an opening in the leaves, with ridiculous hats on their heads, and it is so fucking perfect and strange and wonderful to look at. i couldn't draw like that no matter how long and hard i worked - not cuz he's so gifted, but cuz he's such a goddam kook.
here's a good example:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/521690724_b32b950560.jpg
last panel is spectacularly eerie, and those leading up to it are so weirdly abstracted that they look like ur-comics, like the primordial muck that comics rose up out of. like every fucking panel is perfectly iconic, both debased and transcendent, exactly what "that sort of thing" ought to look like. a hero, a villain, a sun, a planet.
this too:
http://www.kevinwolf.com/images/F%20Hanks%20art%202.jpg
so brilliant and ridiculous and crazed. it looks like nothing else in the world, and it makes me want to scream it is so amazing. i want that shit on my wall like 10 feet high and 20 feet across. he's a goddam genius.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 09:07 (fifteen years ago) link
you should TOTALLY check out the Tarzan reissues. Same effect.
― Six Months Later... (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 15:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Ok, I'll give you some of those panel compositions are pretty great, especially the ones that involve masses of floating people or objects like the examples above. I feel like it was almost accidental on his part, though, his limitations are pretty obvious. Often I felt like I was looking at the Ultimate Comic Book! as envisioned by a 9-year-old or Family Guy storyboards.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 2 December 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
great bushmiller's ghost!
― Vin Ordinaire (WmC), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 16:10 (fifteen years ago) link
LOW MOON by Jason: all swell, but specifically "&", the two sad bastards converging in a bar story (the climax of which is illustrated on the cover).
― R Baez, Thursday, 3 December 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link
The last volume of Akumetsu has been scanlated - man what a crazy ride. I can't believe I actually read 18 volumes of it, but damned if I wasn't enjoying it all the way. Best sci-fi hyper violence revenge fantasy political agitprop EVER.
― Nhex, Saturday, 19 December 2009 03:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Oishinbo is obsessive, strange and loads of fun.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 December 2009 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link
"sci-fi hyper violence revenge fantasy political agitprop"
why have i not read this?
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Saturday, 19 December 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link
It's really heavily focused on the Japanese government (and their failures) from during the '90s, lots of very specific satirization of political figures. Thankfully, the scanlators put in a lot of notes. This is the kind of thing that will never ever get an official translation.
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Sacco's 'Footnotes at Gaza' feels like a career defining work.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I've only read Palestine - you think it's worth skipping straight ahead to this one?
― Nhex, Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link
sacco really gets better with every release. though i still think the war crimes strip he did for details remains his defining work.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Sunday, 20 December 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Footnotes is like 400+ illustrated pages devoted to two specific atrocities that took place in the gaza strip. it really shows a refinement of his style, storytelling and perspective. And, though I wouldn't have believed it to be likely, he's drastically improved his art. There are multiple appendices and transcribed interviews. It's meant to be a history. By merit of the research and length alone, it's pretty eyepopping. If he had released it a bit earlier, it would be neck-and-neck with Asterios Polyp for the "token-comic-best-of-09-book-list" sweepstakes.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 December 2009 17:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Second volume of Wonton Soup is a pretty huge leap forward, sick and wrong like Ennis in his prime - arguably funnier, too.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 December 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
The Sikoryak collection that came out recently was excellent!
http://thedailycrosshatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/rsikoryakmasterpiecegarfieldpanel.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 00:52 (fifteen years ago) link
charley's war is Grrrrreat, shame this was never a US thing
― If COMETS had horoscope they would have the SUN conjunct URANUS (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 01:06 (fifteen years ago) link
^This.
I just got finally up to date with the reprints over the weekend, and it continues to be unremittingly bleak. I wish I could remember what my 10 year old brain made of it.
― Never in, Kuyt (aldo), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link
That ODE TO KIRIHITO recommendation from a month or two back: OTM.
Man, that Tezuka wielded his thrillpower adeptly.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I know, right!!?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 20:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Every five pages he outdoes himself! AND HE DOES IT FOR EIGHT-HUNDRED-SOME PAGES!
― R Baez, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
buddha and phoenix are both these endless extravaganzas of that cycle
― DON'T PASS ON A SUGEBAN 4 FORKSCLOVETOFUALS I'M GRUNDLE (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Still need to catch up on the last four volumes of BUDDHA, probably via interlibrary loan.
ALSO: DORORO
― R Baez, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link
dororo is unbelievable toosequence where dororo faces the reader straight on and screams DAMN YOU = A+
― DON'T PASS ON A SUGEBAN 4 FORKSCLOVETOFUALS I'M GRUNDLE (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
hahah, +'d to my library list
― Nhex, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
haha ode to kirihito is just one big wonderful "WTF?" after another. it may be my favorite comic of the decade*. A WOMAN IS BAKED INTO A GIANT QUICHE (or whatever) FFS.
*obvious temporal caveats apply.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 23:03 (fifteen years ago) link
"mw" is probably a step down on the "perpetual wtf-ery" scale -- what wouldn't be? -- and the pre-yaoi homoeroticism is...conflicted at best. but jesus.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 22 December 2009 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't read it yet, but my gf just finished Tezuka's 'Swallowing The Earth' and pronounced it the most fucked up tezuka yet.
― DON'T PASS ON A SUGEBAN 4 FORKSCLOVETOFUALS I'M GRUNDLE (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 December 2009 23:10 (fifteen years ago) link
don't neglect BLACK JACK, ppl!
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 09:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I read the first volume of that a long while ago and was slightly weirded out. It seems so tame now, in retrospect! I will revisit it, though, now that my library has the new reprints.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Not a heavy comics person, but Asterios Polyp was pretty wonderful -- got it from the library, but I'm thinking about buying it! The only thing I know by the author is Batman Year One! What else is good by him?
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 December 2009 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Mazzuchelli made his breakthrough in Daredevil, and the Daredevil story Born Again, written by Frank Miller (like Batman Year One) is one of the finest superhero stories of all time, both visually and plotwise. I think you have to be at least somewhat familiar with Daredevil, though, for it to have a maximum impact. Mazzuchelli's adaptation of Paul Auster's City of Glass is also a fine example of experimental storytelling in comics, though the plot sometimes get a bit too far-out for my tastes. It's definitely worth a read, still, just to see how Mazzuchelli bends the rules of comic book narration.
I think Born Again, Year One, City of Glass, and Asterios Polyp are pretty much the whole of Mazzuchelli's major comic book work. As far as I know he only released a handful of short stories in the 15 years between City of Glass and Asterios Polyp.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 24 December 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Thanks! Maybe I read some of Born Again when I was a kid? It's the Kingpin/Elektra stuff? Didn't know he did an adaptation of City of Glass! Love that book. Will have to check it out! But yeah, Batman Year One is incredible -- one of the few superhero comics from my youth that I still own and enjoy.
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know - for me, Rubber Blanket 1-3 was where Mazzuchelli really found his voice - those comics had a huge impact (at the time). I guess they're probably hard to come by these days?
― Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Rubber Blanket has never been anthologized. I'd buy em in a second if i could find em.
― forks©lovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 December 2009 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link
rubber blanket is about half genius and half too-experimental-for-its-own-good. but "near miss," "discovering america," and "the big man" are definitely worth the hype.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 24 December 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i've never heard of any of these! too bad they're not collected?
― Nhex, Thursday, 24 December 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Mazzuchelli refused all offers for a Blanket collection while he was working on Polyp - chances are higher we'll see one in the next couple of years
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Friday, 25 December 2009 08:12 (fifteen years ago) link
hm, i get it; didn't want to water down the impact of his first single volume novel with a bunch of shorter pieces.
― forks©lovetofu (forksclovetofu), Friday, 25 December 2009 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
plus stuff that is now almost (gack) twenty years old.
also the rb stuff is obviously closer to polyp than (say) "born again" was to rubber blanket, but it's still very different.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Saturday, 26 December 2009 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
buying the rubber blanket issues @ the first spx back in '94, i definitely remember there being a "vibe" about them. (the series had already finished by then, though i'm not sure if even mazzucchelli knew that at the time.) there was just nothing else that even looked like them at the time. (oversized! fancy paper stock! ridiculously swank printing techniques! two-tone art! euro-influenced narrative stuff alternating with near-abstract shit!) i guess at the time it felt more like a throwback to the "raw" artists/books -- when most alt comics were still in the hate/eightball/yummy fur/post-sim-self-publishers floppy/pamphlet format -- but now it feels more like a sort of advance notice for the acme novelty/fort thunder design-heavy-weird-formats present we now inhabit.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Saturday, 26 December 2009 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link
finally bought the rucka/williams detective run thanks to a 50-percent-off sale. (reading it onscreen is just not the same.) probably the first floppies i've bought since all-star supes. rucka's rucka, but i want all super hero comics to look like this in the next decade. (guess you only get one or two virtuosos per generation, though.)
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Sunday, 27 December 2009 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the story has been pretty good too, but it probably reads better in a big chunk. Most books would do well to have Jock be the fill-in artist.
The Question backup has been OK too, but I have to save up and read about three of them as eight pages a month just really doesn't work.
― earlnash, Sunday, 27 December 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
The nothingness of the Question backup shows you just how much Williams III is bringing to the main strip. Hope he gets a Moore or Morrison to team with again sometime, but he's plainly going to be worth buying no matter what.
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 28 December 2009 00:19 (fifteen years ago) link
STILL ON TEZUKA:
APOLLO'S SONG: Manages to be fun and tremendously weird, but something of a comedown after ODE TO KIRIHITO (and really, what wouldn't be?). Probably reads as sheer awesomeness in summary form, though...
OH:
and MOBY DICK, which I'm about a third through right now, but that's not a comic. Mind you, those Rockwell Kent illustrations ARE swell.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
OH AND:
ALIAS THE CAT: That Kim Deitch is the Guy Maddin of comics. Actually you could make that same comparison about plenty of cartoonists (none of whom I can name right now), but Maddin's recent autobio trilogy reminds me alot of Deitch's continuing adventures with Waldo and the like. MY RATING: NIFTY!
― R Baez, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, this second Fletcher Hanks collection is maybe even better than the first.
― Never in, Kuyt (aldo), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 10:27 (fifteen years ago) link
The TOON TREASURY anthology edited by Spiegelman and Mouly. Shld really be called the AMERICAN Toon Treasury, but still lots of great and gorgeous things within, nonetheless - the Barks and Stanley strips are especially well chosen, and the Dennis the Menace comic book stories are superbly drawn. Liked the "Hey, comics aren't just for adults" tagline, too.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link
great comp. i love the dennis descending a staircase visual.
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Not that I've read any of this stuff, but wow, cover art nowadays sure is slick and pretty ain't it? As a trade reader I'm often forget just how much well-produced, well-colored cover art there is out there for the dailies.
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/01/the-50-best-covers-of-2009/
― Nhex, Monday, 4 January 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Rly? Maybe it's that they're such tiny jpgs, but a good thirty of those look like dogshit to me.
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 23:42 (fifteen years ago) link
just plowed through R. Crumb's Complete Book of Genesis... his art's fantastic, and it made me re-think a lot of the stories from a more political/socio-historical perspective but its also y'know a bit dry and boring. kinda wondering if it woulda been more enjoyable if he'd taken more liberties with it, put in some jokes/hot sexxxin' etc.
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
i found it anything BUT dry and boring
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I do think it's dry. I mean, less dry than reading a non-illustrated version of the Bible, but dry nonetheless. But I appreciate the sense of purpose Crumb had in doing a straight adaptation and don't think it would've been much cop to have a jokey/sexxxy Crumb subversive version, thats' been done enough times.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that's true - I'm of two minds about it, cuz I do think it suffers a little bit from his "I R BEING TOTALLY FAITHFUL" tack... it kinda made me wanna dig out those old Chester Brown adaptations of the New Testament, which were kind of a mixture of straight adaptation and dramatic imagery/recontextualization.
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:30 (fifteen years ago) link
CB's versions of the Gospels were seriously unnerving stuff.
― America's Next Most Disabled Ballerina (WmC), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm on the fence about covers these days, what with them mainly just being context-less pin-up pages. On the one hand, they look better by a million miles than when I was growing up and Al Milgrom drew 99% of them, and I'm sure editors love being able to assign the art way in advance without needing to know the contents of the book, but on the other hand, I grew up when I grew up and back then comics' covers at least tried to convey some idea of their contents. PS, you damn kids get off my lawn!
― America's Next Most Disabled Ballerina (WmC), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
okay I really like the Thor one
― i accidentally touched the nub and it was squishy (HI DERE), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
someone REALLY needs to collect those brown gospels. they are my favorite thing he's ever done. jesus is suck a mean prick!
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
angry wizard jesus!
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
god in the crumb bk is also totally a mean prick
i like what daniel says abt crumb's 'sense of purpose' - there is something curiously devotional in all that obsessive crosshatching - he arrives at something not very far removed from basil wolverton's equally dense, striped biblical illustrations where every pen line is a kind of penance - i also thought there was humour, quieter than normal w/ crumb maybe, but typically human and touching (for example, the dazed look on jonah's face throughout made me grin w/ pleasure at crumb's ability to bring to life a rather remote historical figure)
re: covers - now that newsstand comics don't really exist, and most comic sales are based on pull lists rather than impulse purchases, covers on dopey superhero comics prob mean less than ever as a 'marketing tool' etc - but in my childhood, lots of my favourite marvel comics had GREAT Gil Kane covers, even Kirby kovers, and only a v few were by al milgrom (thank god!)
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/kirby70s01.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 5 January 2010 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
there's a reason Stan told everyone to draw like Kirby
totally feelin you on the "devotional cross-hatching" too lolz, I was marvelling at it and had to explain to my wife what cross-hatching was
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
haha I wonder if every comic nerd my age did Alfredo Alcala doodling in their notebooks at school
― America's Next Most Disabled Ballerina (WmC), Tuesday, 5 January 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link
THINGS I'VE RECENTLY ENJOYED A GREAT DEAL THAT AREN'T TEZUKA:
THE BEST OF NANCY by Ernie Bushmiller - The ILC bible by any other name.
INCREDIBLE HERCULES by Greg Pak, Fred Van Lente, and a host of quite competent artists - Picked up 124 and 125 at a 25 cent sale and am now, quite a few far less frugal purchases later, wondering why I ever stopped after the first arc.
AWAITING ME ON MY DESK, UNTAINTED BY MY WANTON LEER!
M/W, featuring hot double-splash page man-on-man action (but that may have just been the endpapers, I can't remember), and ISSAC THE PIRATE, which I don't think features any sodomy (but should, being a pirate comic and all).
― R Baez, Thursday, 7 January 2010 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Isaac is spectacular.
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link
ha - thanks for reminding me about herc, i also lost track of it after the first arc
― Nhex, Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
"Romp" seems an apt description of HERC's virtues. It's swell - 135 (the "amadeus cho role-playing issue") is, retrospectively, one of my favorite issues of the past year.
― R Baez, Thursday, 7 January 2010 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
An opinion I can now legitimately second - VOL. 2 went immediately on my queue.
― R Baez, Sunday, 10 January 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago) link
KING CITY is about the only thing recently that fits the ass-kicking bill.
― Matt M., Monday, 11 January 2010 01:29 (fifteen years ago) link
king city is indeed great. sometimes i wish i lived in a world of brandon graham girls. ("sometimes.") his livejournal is also like nostalgia-a-go-go for any one who grew up obsessed with anime/manga in the '80s/early '90s.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 11 January 2010 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Highlight of APE last year: Talking SLASH MARAUD with Brandon Graham and having him draw one of the fuzzies on the copy of KING CITY #1 I bought from him.
― Matt M., Monday, 11 January 2010 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I still love X-Factor btw
― ah ah oh ooh ooh oh ah ah ah ah ah oh ah ah aha ooh (HI DERE), Monday, 11 January 2010 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
finally got Volume 2 of the American Flagg! reprint and that is definitely ass-kicking. such an amazing year, weird to think I was reading it (and totally missing lots and lots of subtext/in-jokes) when it came out
― larry craig memorial gloryhole (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 11 January 2010 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Making my way through the second volume of the complete Franquin Spirou; loving all the meta stuff which got lost in translation when I read these in german as a kid (like Fantasio actually working for Spirou magazine!); also love how they call it each other "mon vieux" all the time.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
IIRC Spirou & Fantasio also continue the fine tradition of heterosexual life partners in comics by sharing a flat together...
In the Finnish translation Fantasio (and Gaston, of course) works for the Finnish publisher of Spirou & Fantasio comics.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 07:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Not actually kicking my butt at the moment due to logistics, but I just picked up a sealed copy of that massive Don Martin at Mad set for $30 at The Strand. Shipped it home because it is far too cumbersome to cart around airports. They had maybe a dozen copies scattered around the store if others want to save $120 off cover price.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link
daaaamn, i should go get that!
― The tendrils INTERTWINE with gentle undulations. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I met AlexinNYC for drinks last night and told him to get it too. Maybe we can have a Don Martin reading group.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link
sadly it's likely already gone
― The tendrils INTERTWINE with gentle undulations. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Really? There were an easy dozen last night. Glad I stopped in but I'm sorry for you. :(
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
They got through a lotta copies of anything that's a bargain. I may be wrong but I doubt it?
― The tendrils INTERTWINE with gentle undulations. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
the don martin set was also v. v. cheap at barnesandnoble.com, dunno if it still is
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
MORE TEZUKA, BECAUSE WHY NOT (but not MW):
BLACK JACK VOL. 1 - Probably the greatest superhero comic that doesn't call itself a superhero comic. I've raved about this before, but awesomeness doesn't stop being awesome. Black Jack's kinda like the Punisher or the Spirit - he's as comfortable at the edges of a story as he is at its center; a brief appearance at the end, with all attendant mind-blowing surgical skill, and, ta-da, you've got yourself a Black Jack comic.
I've made a solemn vow (before a candle, the better to display a bat-eared silhouette) to read as much Tezuka as possible, even all those tedious ASTRO BOY volumes.
― R Baez, Thursday, 14 January 2010 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
(but not MW)
YET (NATCH).
― R Baez, Thursday, 14 January 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
If you believe the Strand Website, they still have 95 more copies of that Don Martin book at 30 bucks each.
― I Am Curious (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 14 January 2010 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link
I was REALLY surprised how inventive/weird even Astro Boy could get sometimes - probably just from the sheer volume of output, they were able to just pull crazy stuff - wait until you get to the "reboot". But yeah, admittedly there's a ton of tedious fluff between those moments of genius, but for a while it'll still be entertaining at least.
― Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I've read "The Greatest Robot On Earth" (oui, PLUTO waiting in the wings, I know) and a bit of Astro that involves said littlest robot hanging out with an alien grasshopper lady (who wouldn't????) and meeting an entrepreneurial family of hobos - something like that. "Greatest" was nifty, but the latter storyline swerved back and forth from sleep-inducing to charming. Someday...
― R Baez, Thursday, 14 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually I'd push you on Monster before Pluto, just because it's GREAT and also by the time he got around to Pluto, Urasawa's artwork was much better (helps that it was a monthly series). But yeah I know it's only an 18-volume series in a totally different genre and all..
― Nhex, Thursday, 14 January 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
20th century boys > anything else by urasawa currently available in legit translation
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 15 January 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i did love pluto (and the bulk of monster) but man everything urasawa haters (or skeptics) say about his ott melodrama streak is otm. he WILL make you cry, dammit. or he'll flop into uncomfortable silliness trying.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Friday, 15 January 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I feel like Pluto is mostly really tight and compelling, while 20th Century Boys (though I'm liking it) has a little too much drift at times - it's telling a bigger story, yes, but sometimes it's too big (to completely hold my interest)...
― Jeff LeVine, Friday, 15 January 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
NO. 437 IN A SERIES OF "N" (collect 'em all!)
I like the fact that MW registers as relatively subdued Tezuka, despite the fact that it concerns a crossdressing sociopath bent upon exterminating a large portion of the human race via chemical warfare - it's like Tezuka's I CONFESS.
Oh, and INCREDIBLE HERCULES remains a blast the deeper I delve - I think my initial reaction to that first storyline was as a witty and well-executed bit of meat-and-potatoes superheroics; good relative to what surrounded it, certainly, but not something that would sustain my interest as a going concern. Thankfully, it gets far more ambitious and ferociously imaginative as it goes along - man, "Sacred Invasion" is just the bee's knees, the best SECRET INVASION storyline by far.
― R Baez, Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
In the Dept. of Completely Unsurprising Sentiments: I really liked the first issue of "Joe the Barbarian."
― Douglas, Friday, 22 January 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought it deserves a thread of its own:
Joe the Barbarian
― Tuomas, Friday, 22 January 2010 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Al Columbia's Pim & Francie collection. Concentrated, industrial-strength nightmare fuel.
― a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Sunday, 24 January 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Between Alec: The Years Have Pants and Don Martin I'm on hardcover overkill. I had most of the Alec stuff before, but what a great collection front to back. The Don Martin is just too much to absorb. Reading little chunks here and there and marveling at some of the directions he goes in just a few quick panels. Most of it really is genius.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 24 January 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, columbia is terrifying.
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 24 January 2010 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i will probably never forgive columbia for not making an actual "comic" out of pim & francie -- not that his "actual comics" are models of three-act structure and cathartic resolution to begin with -- but damn that is a fine book.
― strongohulkingtonsghost, Sunday, 24 January 2010 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Currently having arse kicked by David Small's 'Stitches'
Really wishing the new stuff in Alec would be published as a separate comic, as I spent a lot of time and money in the past getting sll the Alec volumes, and can't afford the big new collection.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Sunday, 24 January 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
even the non-new stuff has been rejiggered, as per every reprint, and there's probably some shorts and things that you haven't seen if you only have the old paperbacks
I feel you though
― innocent snack attack victim (sic), Sunday, 24 January 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Hercules_Thumbs_Up.jpg
― Nhex, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link
so good
― Nhex, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Really enjoying Marcos Martin's story arcs on Spider-Man. Ditkoesque.
― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i found a bookstore selling the first slipcased Uncle Scrooge Carl Barks library for sixty bucks. Also the first Fanta Bernie Krigstein book fjor eighteen and three volumes of the complete crumb library for ten a pop.Let me know if you're NY based and want a point in the right direction.
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 31 January 2010 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh that's what i get for direct linkinghttp://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5686/herculesthumbsup.jpg
― Nhex, Sunday, 31 January 2010 06:14 (fourteen years ago) link
ha. just read HERC #122 yesterday - that pic brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.
TANGENTIALLY: Man, now I need to hunt down every comic Reilly Brown has been a part of. I'm tempted to believe he's just a pseudonym for Cameron Stewart!
― R Baez, Monday, 1 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Just read the entire run so far of Fear Agent in a little more than one sitting! I can dig it.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 2 February 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Batman: Cacophony by Kevin Smith is an average story, but I have to admit I loved the return of Onomatopoeia - great silly yet scary villain, back in the Green Arrow book, too. Smith's still not redeemed for that godawful Black Cat story, though.
― Nhex, Saturday, 6 February 2010 09:42 (fourteen years ago) link
The Art Of Tony Millionaire by T. Millionaire - Well, obviously. Apparently, MAAKIES began life as a bid for free beer.
Tekkonkinkreet/Black & White/Whatever by Taiyo Matsumoto - Still processing; first impressions - a) wow, and b) clearly this stuff mortally wounded Brandon Graham.
― R Baez, Thursday, 18 February 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Galaxy Express 999 by Leiji Matsumoto. Awesome 70's manga about this kid who gets on a space train (looks exactly like a classic train, too) to travel to a world where he can get a free android body. Very episodic, with him and the mysterious woman who's protecting him visiting various planets on their way there, including some very spaghetti westernish locations. Grim as fuck, too - kid's mother gets offed by robots within the first pages and he personally takes his revenge. Highly reccomended, tho as far as I can tell it's not available in english (I'm reading in french.)
http://www.horreur.net/img/GALAXY-EXPRESS-999-101503.jpg
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Why do all manga blondes look like this person:
http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00158/SaoirseRonan_opt_158378b.jpg
― M.V., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I dunno, Brandon Graham's a million times more sensual than the Matsumoto that I've seen (if TEKKON KINKKREET is any suitable example, that is.)
Latest CRIMINAL is really, really good. INCOGNITO was beautiful, but not as meaty. Jason Aaron's new PUNISHER is pretty sturdy as well, though it's hard to separate Dillon's work from that on PREACHER (which I'm on and off reading for the first time now.)
― Matt M., Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
It was the same thing for me too when reading the older Punisher stuff with Dillon/Ennis as well as his later work on Wolverine. He has a tendency to reuse the same faces/figures for all his characters. This kind of thing w/artists used to bother me, but not really anymore.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think sensuality is really Matsumoto's thing, though there's the obligatory panels of the chick in underwear. Mostly I read him for weird cold sci-fi alienation and how his drawing alternates between absolutley gorgeous shots of vehicles/locations and scribbled, frantic tiny panels of the characters.
Brandon Graham's livejournal has done much to make me more receptive to vintage manga.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
He has a tendency to reuse the same faces/figures for all his characters.
I started a thread about this phenomenon a while ago, using Dillon as an example:
Why do so many male comic artists draw women that look like each other?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha! Funny. I think the two things that really convinced me to stop caring was a)buying the idea that the more general looking faces/caricatures are in comics, the more the reader can identify with them (ala that section in Understanding Comics) - especially effective in superhero/adventure/fantasy stories - and b)Tezuka did it quite blatantly and with purpose in countless books, and made it work. It's not good to have several characters in the same book to look too similar, but among different books, I think it's all right.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
buying the idea that the more general looking faces/caricatures are in comics, the more the reader can identify with them (ala that section in Understanding Comics)
Even if you buy this idea, it doesn't mean the faces have to look the same! You can do pretty simplistic/caricaturistic faces without repeating the same face, it just takes some skill. Look at Tintin for example: Herge created dozens and dozens of different characters, all of them drawn with a few simple lines, yet they all look different.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
I think more than skill, it takes effort, but there's so many avenues of laziness comics can go down that repetitive faces gets trumped by the practice of actual copy + pasting.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
also herge cld spend years and years, w/ the aid an army of assistants, on a single graphic album, whereas poor old steve dillon has to bash out twenty pages of pencils&inks a month (admittedly w/ the aid of that trusty assistant the photocopier - i've seen at least one Preacher original where he's used the same photocopied background for three consecutive panels)
http://joeljohnson.com/images2/wallywood22panel2560.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
^awesome!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I am really loving the current Batman and Robin storyline. It manages to combine Grant Morrison mentalism with total thrillpower.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I've discovered that I'm not entirely averse to ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN, although I've only read some of the more recent storylines (GOBLIN ANGST/FIRESTAR ANGST/VENOM ANGST) i.e. those without Bagley (NOT A COINCIDENCE).
Perhaps I'll read more.
― R Baez, Thursday, 11 March 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
RIGHT NOW, Batman & Robin 10 just finished kicking my arse. That's the sort of comic I want more of.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Thursday, 11 March 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
In that vein, Christ, COMIC BOOK COMICS #5 can't come out soon enough. June, I think.
Picking up B&R tomorrow, my appetite very whetted.
― R Baez, Thursday, 11 March 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link
B&R 10 was indeed brilliant - a most excellent combo of raw thrillpower and GM craziness, with added Jedward.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 12 March 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Enough thrillpower in Powers #3 for a month of Wednesdays. I mean dang!
― Religious Embolism (WmC), Sunday, 14 March 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The Jack Kirby run on The Losers - absolutley grotesque faces, tons of explosions leading to panels full of Akropolis-level destruction, the Losers as sort of Spiritesque supporting players in their own comic.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
BLACK JACK remains awesome - Halfway through vol. 3 at the moment, wherein Black Jack encounters his Kevorkian-ish counterpart, Doctor Assisted Suicide, replete with eye patch and tortured military background! This stuff never stops.
― R Baez, Thursday, 18 March 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Obvious silliness - amending "medical thriller" to "medical thrillpower". I'm very ridiculous.
― R Baez, Thursday, 18 March 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
That Black Jack story sounds fun! Must get back on the Tezuka train.
Been reading LOGICOMIX - pretty dope. Surprisingly good as being a sort of part-Amadeus-style biography, part-self-reflexive examination of Bertrand Russell's logical career, with lots of bits involving the four authors discussing the creation of the book amongst themselves while narrating it.
― Nhex, Friday, 19 March 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link
J. Wellington Wimpy is http://www.tmb32.com/Links_Images/nextlevel.gif in Popeye Vol. 4
― parm goin' ham (sic), Sunday, 21 March 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll provide the dux
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
my name is jones
― one of the jones boys (sic), Monday, 22 March 2010 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link
The whole Fred Van Lente/Ryan Dunlavey informal Humanities project is pretty nifty - am seriously considering getting the more-than-complete Action Philosophers sometime soon. That Marx bio...heh. Swell stuff!
That and Lynda Barry's ONE HUNDRED DEMONS. Also swell.
― R Baez, Monday, 29 March 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
THREE DAYS LATER:
I now have a political consciousness, thanks to Joe Sacco (specifically FOOTNOTES IN GAZA)! Someday soon I expect to be officially "all growed up". Yup.
― R Baez, Thursday, 1 April 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
This is gonna rock!
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/04/01/top-shelf-announces-league-of-extraordinary-gentlemen-1988/
Actually laughed. Out loud, even.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 1 April 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Wonderful!
― Nhex, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link
wait, is that not a joke?
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
We can only dream...
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I would really actually love to read a comic where Doc Brown and MacGyver team up, they were both my childhood heroes. But who is this "Lisa" supposed to be?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:49 (fourteen years ago) link
The created woman from Weird Science.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh wait, she's the girl from Weird Science, right?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
(x-post)
If the cast would also include Johnny 5 and Prince Akeem, it would be like my childhood dream come true.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 1 April 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Good-Bye, the third collection of stories by Yoshihiro Tatsumi. I love the bleakness of his short stories.
― Nhex, Friday, 2 April 2010 09:03 (fourteen years ago) link
SPIDER-MAN: FEVER = Nifty, natch - McCarthy gets his bronze-age Marvel on. But you know this. Gotta luv 'em splash pages!
― R Baez, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
fever is pretty great. it's rare that someone does dr strange's nerdy rambling disinterest so well.
― adam, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Currently writing a piece about my two favorite comics from this week: James Sturm's "Market Day" and Jonathan Hickman & Dustin Weaver's scientists-as-secret-agents detail-freakout S.H.I.E.L.D. #1...
― Douglas, Friday, 9 April 2010 05:17 (fourteen years ago) link
really looking forward to Market Day. It lives up to expectations?
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
It's very small-scale/low-key, but I liked it a lot.
― Douglas, Saturday, 10 April 2010 14:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Not for the first time, I wish I was gay and svelte. http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/04/17/the-superhero-gay-set-of-new-york/
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 18 April 2010 00:38 (fourteen years ago) link
The Unclothed Man In The 35th Century - more formally experimental vignettes, less drab 1997 forgettable Miramax - fine by me.
― R Baez, Monday, 19 April 2010 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
On Tekkonkinkreet: Wow. I have to say it took me literally weeks of crawling through the opening chapters - more than that, probably closer to 200 pages - merely to adjust to the craziness of the art style, its hyper-flatness, its crudeness and lack of consistency, not to mention the totally alienating and mysteriously nostalgic world and characters of Treasure Town. But I'm incredibly glad I persevered - at a certain moment, everything clicked, and I was deeply invested and everything the book was trying to say, all its brutality and sentimentality, burning through 2/3rds of it all tonight. Alternatingly terrifying and heartbreaking at moments. Even having the seen and liked the anime, I felt totally unprepared. Really great stuff.
― Nhex, Saturday, 1 May 2010 08:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I bought UNCLOTHED MAN this week, just thinking it was a collection of miscellaneous Shaw shawts. Imagine my annoyance when, removed from plastic shrinkwrap, the inside flap helpfully explains that it's 20% storyboards for a cartoon I can't watch, and 80% stuff I already have. Fuuuuck off, helpful bookshop.
― Oh boy, Midgard! That's where I'm a Viking! (sic), Saturday, 1 May 2010 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link
the new peter bagge, other lives, is great.
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 May 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Mercury, latest Hope Larson - fine, fine work.
Am currently tearing through the collected works of Joe Sacco, in backwards chronological order apparently.
― R Baez, Monday, 3 May 2010 16:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Canadian Comix Artists Draw Superfolx for Charity, Prizes
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
includes Seth's Dr. Fate
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Kate Beaton's Wonder Woman is currently tied w/ Chester Brown's Batman for highest bids.
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I think I like Matthew Forsythe's Hawkman the best though.
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 8 May 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Kenk the true story fumetti of Toronto's most prolific bike thief is hitting several different pleasure centres for me.
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 20 May 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Dan Nadel's new anthology ART IN TIME maybe quite as eye-opening as his previous ART OUT OF TIME selection, but it's still a mouth-watering collection - great to see things like KONA by Sam Glanzman and CHILDREN OF DOOM by Pat Boyette in a nicely reproduced/shot hardcover art bk
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
The Chris Ware cover to Blab #8, as seen in Raeburn's Ware monograph. That'll brighten up your week.
― R Baez, Monday, 24 May 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, and as seen here
― R Baez, Monday, 24 May 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
More recs: Sexy Voice and Robo by Iou Kuroda (fun teen spy book, a little more original than most of these kind of adventure books. average art with the occasional brilliant page that pops). Grandville by Bryan Talbot (ridiculous 24-esque furry steampunk Bush administration-inspired conspiracy thriller).
― Nhex, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 04:57 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.tcj.com/hoodedutilitarian/2010/06/rocks-fall-everybody-dies-asterios-polyp/^bang on with my assessment of it
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 5 June 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Weird how it didn't bother me much when I read it since I still really liked the rest of the story - just another "well, at least they learned before it was time to go" sort of fable - but OTOH, walking out of A Serious Man I wanted to repeatedly stab the Coen Brothers for wasting my time
― Nhex, Saturday, 5 June 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link
GRANDVILLE was an utter disaster
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 5 June 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
it looked way less disaster-y than Sunderland, but that one was so bad I didn't dare spend money on Grandville. what were some major flaws?
― Señor Communications Adviser (sic), Sunday, 6 June 2010 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link
didn't hate SUNDERLAND as much as you did, sic, tho' it was def v v flawed. but GRANDVILLE just seemed to me totally misconceived on almost every level - it wasn't cute enough, or clever enough, it was surprisingly vulgar and violent yet at the same time totally juvenile, the 'contemporary parallels' (to homeland security/the dr david kelly business/9-11 etc etc) were drawn really clumsily and didn't tell us anything new, the lead character was actually quite unlikeable, every situation and person was nothing more than a cipher or a cliche, and the simple, basic story was boring and unsurprising. there were too many fight scenes/chase scenes, too many crappy computer effects - and a lot of the animals used simply didn't lend themselves to the expressions and postures that the stupid story required of them (i'm thinking of a really fugly horsey dude in particular.) i cld go on...
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 6 June 2010 08:39 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm. wonder how much he might have used computer architecture and poser programs overall. last time I saw a copy it was shrinkwrapped, but I'm extremely curious about this in general!
― Señor Communications Adviser (sic), Sunday, 6 June 2010 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link
prob the best thing abt jonathan cape publishing graphic novs now is that it means their stuff turns up a lot in UK public libraries, which is how I came to read GRANDVILLE (a friend of mine leant me SUNDERLAND, but sooo glad i didn't pay for this lemon)
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 6 June 2010 08:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I thought Grandville was pretty good. Sure, the political allegory was quite heavy-handed, but the fact that it was a steampunk comic with talking animals made it quite obvious that you weren't supposed to take it too seriously. And it's true that Talbot's detailed art style probably isn't best suited for cute animals, but on the other hand I loved how much effort he put into building this world - like drawing animalized versions of famous artworks as minor background details. And with the characters who weren't supposed to look cute in the first place, like the rhino guy, I thought his style fitted well. The basic story and characters were kinda cliched, but I thought they worked well enough that it didn't matter, like in your basic Hollywood spectacle where the emphasis is on the visuals and not on an original plot. And the overall visual design here was quite impressive. The computer effects surely were more subtle and less numerous here than in Alice in Sunderland? The only part where I really noticed them was the opening chase scene, but other than that Talbot used them sparingly. As far as his steampunk comics go, Grandville was no Heart of the Empire, but it was still an enjoyable and nice-looking yarn.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 6 June 2010 09:50 (fourteen years ago) link
WHAT I'M LIKING LATELY:
The Bulletproof Coffin: Made my week.
Morrison Bat-stuff: NATCH.
Doing The Islands With Bacchus: Can't really go wrong there - "Last Of The Summer Wine" is some kind of perfect, though I can't explain why.
Sub-Life by John Pham: The opening vignette, the autobio elementary school thing, everything else.
― R Baez, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Sub-Life was pretty good, but in that way where I'm more excited about what Pham is going to do in the future than what he's got done right now
― Nhex, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 05:35 (fourteen years ago) link
my copy of batman 700 has like 8 pages of the latest (bad) issue of titans where a chunk of the bruce wayne story should be. :(
bulletproof coffin was pretty good. enjoying giffen on booster gold.
― adam, Thursday, 10 June 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
New english language ish of Dungeon is remarkable. Consistently the best comic out there and it's several years old already.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link
No idea what that is; for future reference please list author when it comes to such generic titles
― Nhex, Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Trondheim & Sfar. All awesome.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I haven't read the newest one yet, but I'd definitely agree with "Consistently the best comic out there". Dungeon is brilliant.
― Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, what they all said; sorry, I thought we've discussed Dungeon enough that they were commonly known.http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2010/04/comics-college-lewis-trondheim/http://www.nbmpub.com/humor/trondheim/dungeon/dungeonhome.htmlThey're unduly expensive ($16 for a pamphlet?) but absolutely worth it.The second chapter of the newest ish (Twilight v. 3) is a brilliant allegory for world politics.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 June 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Trondheim has done the latest volume of that Spirou Elseworlds series, which has been consistently high quality (and unavailable in english), I'm very excited.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 12 June 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
At this point, anything from Sfar/Trondheim/Blain is must buy.also got the last volume of Pluto and am settling in to read from volume one.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 June 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks for the links
― Nhex, Sunday, 13 June 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Not comics, but writing about comics (we don't have a Things Worth Reading About Comics thread, right?):
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/title~db=all~content=g922763634
― Mordy, Thursday, 17 June 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
old news to most of you i bet, but damn, Marvel's Strange Tales has tons of great creators and funny stories in it. so many!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link
The Puma Blues - Vol. 2: Sense Of Doubt: What an odd book.
― R Baez, Monday, 28 June 2010 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link
I just read the last issue of The Sword (by Luna Bros.) and it absolutely kicked my ass. Every issue overflowed with Thrillpower.
― Slumpman, Monday, 28 June 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Surprisingly, Second Coming. This is the best X-crossover I've read in maybe 25 years.
― Opinions are a lot like assholes. You've got LOTS of BOTH of them. (HI DERE), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link
(particularly Hellbound)
― Opinions are a lot like assholes. You've got LOTS of BOTH of them. (HI DERE), Monday, 28 June 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
The first issue of Paul Cornell's Action Comics Starring Lex Luthor Because We Can't Use Superman is pretty terrific, as such things go.
― Douglas, Saturday, 3 July 2010 04:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I. Love. Puma Blues.
Due for a re-reading actually. But that'll have to wait until after I finish re-reading DOOM PATROL, which in many ways is my total ideal comic book. There's a lot of references that are dated now, but the stories still hold up. At least they do so far.
SCALPED and CRIMINAL are reliable stand-bys as well.
― Matt M., Saturday, 3 July 2010 04:45 (fourteen years ago) link
if someone's enjoyed some of Cornell's Dr Who but is leery of horrible DC dismemberape crossover continuity, is this Action Lex worth a try?
― oh shit a ◕‿‿◕ (sic), Saturday, 3 July 2010 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Cornell's "Action" basically explains all of the crossovery stuff you need to know to enjoy it. (Opening scene: mysterious costumed people are dangling Lex upside-down from a rooftop. His eyes are closed, and he's got a beatific expression on his face. "What are you doing?" one of them asks. He responds: "What am I doing? I'm meditating. What are _you_ doing?")
― Douglas, Monday, 5 July 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Aight, if it's still on the shelf when I go next, will give it a look
― oh shit a ◕‿‿◕ (sic), Monday, 5 July 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, DOOM PATROL was as good as I'd remembered it. Better in places. Though that middle part sure gets wacky with a capital Q.
― Matt M., Monday, 5 July 2010 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I was reading Action on the basis of this, and the Lois thing was really bugging me--seemed a huge continuity thing that needed explaining--but then it was explained. Very enjoyable stuff actually.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
I assume you're referring to the grand and wacky space/SPACE war saga? Christ, that's one of my favorite stories ever - every other panel comes adorned with a swell idea.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
No, not that. I like how it's a total sideways take on space operas. Was talking about the Sex Men and Shadowy Mr. Evans, which came dangerously close to going right off the rails.
In many ways, I think it's the best thing Morrison's ever done. Well, not exactly true. FLEX MENTALLO is better. But it's an amazing comic from a time that's overlooked in general, or at least overshadowed by the rise of Image comics.
May re-read THE INVISIBLES next. Wish I had a digital version so I could read on my laptop when I go on vacation. Books is heavy.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 6 July 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Really, Morrison's Doom Patrol is my favourite comic ever. I read it at just the right time in my life, and the magic has never faded with rereading.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I love Doom Patrol to death, but I think space war arc was the worst part of Morrison's run. Sure there were plenty of ideas, but the pacing and plotting of the story was awful - it was just a bunch of ideas stacked on top of each other. Thankfully the plotting got much better again towards the end of Morrison's run.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 07:01 (fourteen years ago) link
So very OTM
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Weirdly, Keith Giffen has just brought back Crazy Jane and Mr Nobody in the current Doom Patrol book. I've only browsed through them quickly at the comic store, but he seems to be making a right old hash of it, as you might expect.
Point I never get tired of making: Is there a better next issue box than "Next Issue: [Weird Squiggle]" towards the end of the run?
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 11:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd heard that Giffen was using Danny the Bungalow and was kinda afraid. This just cements it.
But then I found the first couple issues of the recent DOOM PATROL relaunch to be borderline unreadable and so off the mark as to not want read a third.
Honestly, the only way it seems a DOOM PATROL book would work now would be to just start over from scratch, which is the last thing anyone wants to do in big-two comics, it seems.
Suppose we should move this to a DOOM PATROL love thread.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 7 July 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Threadmancy instigated. Continue talking about other books that you are liking right now.
Just read the first book of HITMAN and I was thinking "What an odd little book." I'm not sure it's as good as I was led to believe, but at least it's something different. Though I'm largely impervious to Garth Ennis' charms, so perhaps I'm not the best subject for this.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 7 July 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I am sort of excited about reading JEPH! LOEB'S! Challengers of the Unknown, which I enjoyed as a kid, and just bought for $4. Although I maybe I shouldn't read it, and pretend I did.
In other news, Kate Beaton still kicking it every single time.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Hitman gets better and better as it goes along.
― oh shit a ◕‿‿◕ (sic), Wednesday, 7 July 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
It's true: Hitman doesn't really hit its stride until "Zombie Night at the Gotham Aquarium" and the Catwoman storyline after that, but subsequently it's pretty reliable.
― Douglas, Thursday, 8 July 2010 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link
This response to a (pretty good) piece on Scott Pilgrim in the Walrus: http://sequential.spiltink.org/?p=4531
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 8 July 2010 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I read a 7-page short "Tales of Red Lantern Corps" story in the current Green Lantern ish. While Brightest Day is boring me and GL is kind of stupid, this hokey and formulaic story is so emotionally honest that it almost made me cry a little bit. I AM A BIG CAT WUSS.
― J, Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
The new Fantastic Four Annual is really good! Thrillpower! A self-contained story! Who is this Joe Ahearne guy?
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Isn't the point of annuals that they're self-contained?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
You never know these days!
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Fair enough, I haven't really read that many annuals since the early 90s. Do Marvel and DC even have them for every ongoing title anymore?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Annuals are certainly not always self-contained, and most of the titles that do have annuals (which isn't many, these days) don't seem to necessarily have them on an annual basis.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link
No -- it seems pretty hit-or-miss which titles will have annuals from year to year. I wouldn't be surprised if they're green-lighted based on an interesting pitch for a self-contained story. (xp)
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I can think of a few Annuals that were THRILLING CONCLUSIONS to SHOCKING STORYLINES. Or one, at least.
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 11 July 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link
http://collectibleshop.tripod.com/avengers-annual-7-a.jpg
― adam, Sunday, 11 July 2010 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link
That Fantastic Four annual might be a two issue story left over from the Millar run that Hitch left early to work on the Captain America storyline. Since it was somewhat self contained they let Hitch finish it up after the Captain America mini-series and are only putting it out now. I think that writer was the guy that finished up the work on Millar's FF run anyway, if I remember right.
That would be my guess. I haven't read it yet or even knew it was coming out.
The Judas Contract and a couple of other old New Teen Titans storylines finished in annuals.
― earlnash, Sunday, 11 July 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Ah! That makes sense.
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 11 July 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
the most recent issue of Batman + Robin brought the ass-kickery
― Mordy, Sunday, 11 July 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Ain't nothin' better than that splash-page of Dr. Hurt marching directly toward the viewer, smirk n' all.
― R Baez, Monday, 12 July 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Lethem's Omega the Unknown totally blew me away. It's been sitting on my shelf for about a year, but I gulped it down in two quick sittings. So much fun -- almost Steig-Larsson-unputdownable, which I wasn't expecting at all.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 19 July 2010 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link
bump
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 July 2010 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay, my wife was in NYC and got her hands on the Showcase Metamorpho which is so, so mindblowingly good that I'm even madder that my local shops couldn't ever seem to get a copy. Ramona Fradon is amazing at illustrating subplots not in the text (the slow agony of Java as he sees Rex and Sapphire together, the shadow Stagg casts over the lovers, etc. Loving it!
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 23 July 2010 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I dunno where else to put this, how about here
― Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 July 2010 17:52 (fourteen years ago) link
the TF2 spy with the "GOD HATES SENTRIES" sign totally made me lol
― Nhex, Friday, 23 July 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/07/img1005-1279832767.jpg
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 July 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay, that guy wins the counter-protest.
― a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Friday, 23 July 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Andy (^^) also Trayce-baiting in this one, making the previous make more sense:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/07/img0989-1279832630.jpg
― Teddybears.SHTML (sic), Saturday, 24 July 2010 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link
So the Phelps people are protesting against comic conventions these days?! I wonder what made them choose that particular target?
― Tuomas, Saturday, 24 July 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
what makes them choose any target? A: Fred Phelps has heard of it, and it's outside their house.
― Has admitted to being awesome in order to have sex (sic), Saturday, 24 July 2010 10:56 (fourteen years ago) link
guaranteed media attention really; they'd go to a preschool opening.
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 24 July 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
JESUS HATES TODDLERS
― Moshy Star (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 26 July 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Phelps was actually protesting Al Gore's Leadership Thingy at the Hyatt. SDCC was merely a target of opportunity.
This year was weird. I mean more than usual.
― Matt M., Monday, 26 July 2010 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link
kind of cool:http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2113348.html?thread=71042116
― bnw, Monday, 26 July 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
whoa, that's really sad and freaky
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Monday, 26 July 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Devlin Waugh: Red Tide by John Smith, Steve Yeowell, and Colin MacNeil - The only man of action to whom I've ever actually related. Awesome.
Scott Pilgrim Vol. 6 by some dude - well sure.
That recent Lizard story in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.
and my inspired idea, following a reading of the novel, of doing an adaptation of The Manchurian Candidate in comic book form. MORE TO COME...
― R Baez, Monday, 26 July 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Suddenly...almost nothing.
I was really enjoying the Marvel Universe for a couple of years there, Secret Invation/Siege -- now it seems like every book is either completely drained of thrillpower (FF, Spidey/MJ emo-fest) or incomprehensibly stoopid (anything Hulk related). All of the Avengers reboots have kicked off with too-complicated plots, and JRJR and Bendis don't mesh well imho. Doomwar was kind of the last straw. A huge year-long kerfuffle leading up to the new Black Panther saying "oooohhh, Doom, you make me so angry! I could just kill you right now! But I'm better than that, so I won't. Try to play nicer and don't enter my country again, 'k?"
― My totem animal is a hamburger. (WmC), Monday, 9 August 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey sorry if this is like a "thing" (I can't really afford to keep up with comics anynmore) but what is this Asterios Polyp? I picked it up in a bookstore the other day and it looked like it could be interesting or maybe bad.
― Tolaca Luke (admrl), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I love it - it's pure virtuosic form, which bears a wee plot about an architect's nervous breakdown as its frame. Get, natch.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
it's worth reading, weak ending tho
― 8o---e*.\\\||///.*ə---o8 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Strange Embrace by David Hine - A punch to the gut. Tremendous piece of work - I like the way it begins within a quite functional genre framework - psychotic telepath, seemingly cursed African idols - and about halfway through sort of undermines that framework and continually does so, subtly changing up the status quo with every act, every shift revealing the scenario as more and more complex and desparate. It feels, from a reader's standpoint, like continually falling through trapdoor after trapdoor. Amazing.
― R Baez, Thursday, 12 August 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
heh just finished reading the graph nov of this myself - totally agree w yr review/rating, a v impressive and SATISFYING piece of work, beautifully structured + worked out. also, one of the few comics - poss the only one - to capture some of that (henry) jamesian sense of innocence corrupted, of the immortality and decadence lurking beneath victorian good manners and decorum. loved the way that the idol worship stuff never totally tipped into the supernatural, so cld be read as a critique of colonial plunder and fetishisation of the other.
r baez, really think martin skidmore wld love to have a fuller review by you of this for his new site, which is def going ahead (and sounding pretty gd already.)
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 August 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd kind of contemplated that myself. What's sort of unpleasant is that I read it via interlibrary loan (BULLETPROOF COFFIN compelled me to seek it out) and have returned it already, so I'll have to purchase it if I wanna go the full Manny Farber on it; on the other hand, though, I will admit that the thought that repeatedly passed through my head whilst reading was "I'd actually buy this"- probably the highest complement I can pay a work.
― R Baez, Friday, 13 August 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Devlin Waugh: Swimming In Blood by Smith, Phillips, and other dudes who draw in the house 2000AD style of "holy-crap-everything's-happening-all-at-once-in-tight-underlit-panels-and-where-the-hell-did-that-splatter-of-blood-come-from?!?!": Swell, swell, swell. Something tells me I might go a-huntin' 2000ad back issues, maybe.
The Bulletproof Coffin by and starring Hine & Kane: Not a dream!
― R Baez, Thursday, 19 August 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Tardi's It Was the War of The Trenches = !!!!!especially for blazing war stories/frontline combat/Charley's war fans
― Gulab jamun (Gulab Jamun) into the syrup please. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
those tardi/fantagraphics bks are gorgeous, but man are they expensive!
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link
gettin' em at the strand for half price, personally.
― Gulab jamun (Gulab Jamun) into the syrup please. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link
HEADS UP TO DOUGLAS: I've recently given away about seven copies (lost count) of The Book Of Leviathan (also: HEADS UP TO THE GLORIOUS CLEARANCE SECTION AT HALF-PRICE BOOKS) to friends and friendly acquaintances all throughout South Texas.
ANYWAY: Just finished Church & State, both volumes, so there. Looking forward to my enlightenment and eventual repudiation of the current social order as I devour further volumes.
And have just started Abe: Wrong For All The Right Reasons, by Glenn Dakin, which is swell, mighty swell, but looks to only reinforce my own personal status quo and not reveal up is down, good is bad, etc - like They Live, y'know?
― R Baez, Wednesday, 15 September 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha! Glad you like Leviathan...
― Douglas, Thursday, 16 September 2010 03:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Hey Douglas! I happened to listen to the Comics Criticism Panel from SDCC 2010 on my phone on the bus this morning, and I’m sure it would have been you citing nabisco and the Groke as examples of Pitchf0rk writers with the depth of thought of 1970s Rolling Stone think-pieces, but - and forgive my inability to distinguish a dozen badly-recorded white USAmerican voices – was that Fiore thinking that you must be wrong, site unread*, and saying Chuck Kl0sterman would be the only current example?
*clever wording, cheers
― Underground - Parking (2010) (sic), Thursday, 16 September 2010 06:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been re-reading my issues of Zot! (including - lol - the letters columns and Cat Yronwode's editorials). Just looking at Eclipse's list of monthly titles and Cat's screeds, it's such a weird flashback - the industry was so different then. and there's all this stuff that's just completely vanished (perhaps rightly so) as well as issues that are no longer of concern to anybody (lol censorship)
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
just the revolution in having a direct market, what a profound shift that was, and yet the big two are still indisputably on top with all these minor league guys slugging it out underneath
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
would you say the minor league guys overall have a better situation today than they did back then?
― Nhex, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
it's hard to say cuz by and large I don't pay attention to them! I guess I still pick up some Fantagraphics stuff now and then, but they've managed to catapult themselves into NPR-level media exposure/consciousness and as such have carved a rep as the arty/literate/"cool" indie comic publihser. which is well deserved, they've bankrolled a lot of great stuff, including reprints. (an aside - one of the weirder things on Eclipse's publication roster in '87-'88 was "guidebooks" to DC publications like the Legion of Superheroes and the Justice League. can't imagine anything like that actually being published by a non-DC affiliate these days).
While I was really really into a lot of the stuff that came out as part of that initial direct market boom - Dark Horse, Eclipse, First, Kitchen Sink - in the intervening years I've been less and less interested in what these imprints (and the other minor league superhero houses like Image and others) have put out. I dunno if that's because the initial wave of talent was so amazing or there's been a decline or I'm just old and cranky now or what. It does seem likely that, at least in part, when the direct market boom hit there were a lot of guys who were relatively old school pros who saw this as their opportunity to really break out and do things they couldn't at DC & Marvel. Thinking especially of guys like Chaykin, for example. But as time's worn on the minor leagues haven't really attracted that kind of top-level talent, they've become more of a farm for young up and comers...? maybe I'm wrong, I dunno. I also got burned out on loads of crappily drawn autobio comics and stuff that was trying really hard to just be offensive and "controversial" so by the 00s I had started to tune out a lot of minor league stuff. I have no idea what their market share is now or anything. Certainly a lot of groundbreaking/critically acclaimed stuff seemed to be coming from the indies in the late 80s/early 90s than now, but maybe that's just a matter of history/perspective. Loads of guys who broke out of the indies have worked with the majors in some way by this point. The Hernandez Bros, McCloud, Bagge, Clowes and tons of others have developed a pretty profile over the years, but all those dudes started in the 80s. Outside of Adrian Tomine (who I hate) and this guy that's done Scott Pilgrim most of the more recent crop continue to toil in obscurity, for whatever reason.
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I think one of the things that's really striking to me about revisiting this initial direct market boom is just how wide open it made everything seem - there was a lot of garbage, but so much of it was SO DIFFERENT from one thing to the next. Aztec Ace was nothing like Yummy Fur which was nothing like Zot! which bore no resemblance to Reid Fleming which was completely different from Jon Sable and then there was all the deliberately pseudo-porn stuff like Omaha the Cat Dancer, not to mention random "funny animals" stuff, reprints of European comics, etc. The design styles of all these things seemed totally unrelated to each other. I'm sure that variety is still present in a lot of ways, but the novelty of that variety has worn off - and novel approaches often bring out the best in artists and writers.
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link
like, everybody wants to be the guy who does something that's "never been done before", it inspires folks to try harder.
― do you feel me? somebody, feel me (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Underground: I don't even remember who that was! (I was shaking my head pretty hard at that point.) Somebody will do a transcript and identify who was who eventually, I'm sure.
― Douglas, Wednesday, 22 September 2010 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha, okay, I’ll just pretend it was someone that doesn’t make me go “aw :(“ to think of them thinking it.
― Underground - Parking (2010) (sic), Thursday, 23 September 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
TO REITERATE:
Glenn Dakin's work, at least his Abe collection, is wonderful - some of the quietest comic strips I've ever encountered.
― R Baez, Thursday, 23 September 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
"would you say the minor league guys overall have a better situation today than they did back then?"
I think some of the guys that do indie comics (and went into the DC/Marvel axis) are probably making more money than ever, as there is TV/Movie money that wasn't there twenty years ago. I don't think there was any real chance anyone was going to sign up Nexus for a TV show in the 80s, which is something that might happen to say Kirkman's Invincible now.
The arthouse stuff like Fantographics or Kitchen Sink was marketed along side everything else back then, but it was a different take on what was going on, as other than strip reprints or say The Spirit, they had nothing to do with the regular popular US comic book styles.
I was a huge fan of many of the titles that labels like First, Eclipse, Comico and later in the 80s Dark Horse put out. Combined, they did some good stuff, the biggest problem some of those companies had was that their main books started to come to a natural end, yet they were kind of trapped into the monthly book. GrimJack and Jon Sable went on too long (then later brought over Dreadstar from Epic, which was done yet went on with Peter David as the writer). American Flagg should have probably been done with Chaykin or at least put on the shelf until he wanted to do another series. Miracleman, while popular, flat limped out later on like an issue or two a year which killed it. Grendel smartly while being a regular series, kind of went the way of the mini-series within the series. Eclipse did a lot of cool weird stuff, kind of EC in style. DC and Marvel got hip, stole their talent for much more money and many of these companies didn't have another shot to replace the titles that made their name. Comico had Robotech which sold really well for an indie and probably helped the bottom line for a bit, but they had problems keeping things coming out. Dark Horse had some serious Hollywood ties and got in early with some talent making some movie-tie in books that made them a crap load of money to do other things.
I think if the idea and method of selling a back stock of trades was around, it might have been different, but that kind of book store distribution wasn't there in the late 80s as the mega-book store chains that is the background of that stuff like Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc. while starting out wasn't there yet.
That said, those companies put out some cool comics that were often a step ahead at the time.
Then again, the audience for said comics has to be way less than in the 80s. I got some old Mr. Monster comics and was checking out one of the early issues and they are talking about how well the book was doing going to a second print after selling out a first print of 20,000. Mr. Monster was a cool comic, but really not a widely popular title at all and I bet if it was starting out now, it would be good to sell 2000 or 3000 books at best.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Speaking as a child of the 80s...
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
^this is all pretty otm.I also think for all the nonstop bullshit he spouts, the example and achievements of D. Sim have really altered the landscape irrevocably. Remember that Bone had an early preview in Cerebus! So did Hepcats, but nobody bats 1.000.
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I got some old Mr. Monster comics and was checking out one of the early issues and they are talking about how well the book was doing going to a second print after selling out a first print of 20,000. Mr. Monster was a cool comic, but really not a widely popular title at all and I bet if it was starting out now, it would be good to sell 2000 or 3000 books at best.
yeah I got the same reaction reading Yronwode's accounts of how Eclipse books were doing at the time, it was just kinda bonkers in comparison to today.
Sim previewed a bunch of folks, was really aggressive with the whole creative-owners-cottage industry thing - but I dunno, he seems like a figure no one talks about these days, and he's (perhaps rightly) loathed by just about everybody...? would be curious what you consider evidence of his impact, forks...
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Sim's influence: nobody self-publishes anymore because it makes you looney-toons?
― If you want me to "get there," pay attention to my angina (WmC), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Didn't the image guys directly cite Sim as the inspiration for going solo?i think sim's batshit attitude and post cerebus weirdness has set him up to be underappreciated by the community but dude was hella important in establishing the DIY aesthetic that directly leads to guys like Dash Shaw
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
They cited Sim/sided with him when it came to the whole going solo thing, and McFarlane had him do a guest issue during the entire "I'm not a writer so I'm going to pay other people to write Spawn, then pretend I am sole owner of everything in those issues" period. So they did, at the least, pay lip service. IMO about half the Image guys were really just thinking "we're shit hot, let's do our own thing and make some money," while the other few were just like "hey, this sounds like a thing to do and I have some ideas." Jim Lee being between the two camps and actually a savvy artist and businessman, and Valentino being the guy who actually had some past experience in independent publishing and wasn't on a hot title.
― mh, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Sim invented the entire comics-with-a-spine market (that's now become too scary for him) out of brute force.
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the guys that haven't been mentioned yet also was Eastman & Laird and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Those dudes rode a decent idea into a bank truck. Those guys are kind of the guys that hit the lottery out of the 80s guys.
I got to think those guys millions probably went "kerching" in the mind of Todd McFarlene, who went all out with the toys, movies and cartoons with Spawn etc.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
There was an indie comic thing happening in the 70s too, there was the whole semi/pro zine STAR*REACH that kind of morphed into Pacific comics, which kind of faded out into Eclipse. There was a lot of heavy hitter artists that did some comics tied into that stuff and Dave Sim did some early stories with them before doing Cerebus. Cerebus started in '77, which is a few years before all the other companies came on. Most of that other indie comic stuff I talked about didn't really come around till the early 80s.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Elfquest and Cerebus started within a month of each other, I think. I wonder if any of the 70s expansion -- Atlas, Skywald, Spire Christian -- had anything to do with Marvel finally breaking down DC's distribution hammerlock?
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, i think the guys that were the most serious impact players of the 80s in terms of the way the industry changed are definitely Eastman and Laird and Sim.
I don't really think you can underestimate how important the example of one fucknuts crazy guy running his aardvark for three hundred issues with all of about two other people contributing over the length of that can be. It inspired loads of guys who likely would've otherwise been company guys for the long haul to take a shot. Not that it was always a good idea... i sorta still lament Steve Bissette spinning out. I would absolutely have bought three hundred issues of Tyrant.
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link
all this chat kinda misses the example of underground comix, which was certainly the main influence on things like Star*Reach (which dave sim contributed to) in terms of subject matter, copyright etc. and of course fantagraphics is basically u/g comix continued by other means.
sadly, the one 'major-minor' indie company that still survives from the 80s - dark horse - does so mainly on the back of licensed material, rather than creator-owned material. companies like pacific and eclipse went down the toilet in part because they were reliant on creator-owners who lacked the will/discipline/ability to produce comic bks on a regular, montly basis: even image had to resort to work-for-hire pretty quickly to crank out things like spawn on anything approaching a monthly schedule.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 07:58 (fourteen years ago) link
note also that Dark Horse's one strong, continuing creator-owned franchise (Hellboy/BPRD/etc) is chock-full of work-for-hire
what else do they have on the reg, Usagi? which is STILL better-treated by Fanta 20 years after it moved
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 08:20 (fourteen years ago) link
has there ever been a collective of guys who create comics on their own with one business guy in the mix that maintain the will/discipline/ability to continue producing a timely released and reasonably skilled level of material? I know they do it overseas all the time, but in america?
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
First few years of Image, with Valentino as biz guy? Whatever I think about their yucky comics, I think it's remarkable they were as disciplined as they were for as long as they were.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
as mh basically said upthread
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess i mean currently ongoing
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Sim invented the entire comics-with-a-spine market
lol took me a second to realize you meant this literally
def true
and yeah Eastman and Laird obviously were a huge factor/force/influence/whatever as well. I still don't understand how/why that actually happened, it seems like such a fluke.
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link
First few years of Image
Maybe a couple studios of Image, but as a whole, the company was horrible at hitting ship dates.
― mh, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah image were horrendously late almost from the start!
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ah, ok. The only Image comics I ever bought were 1963 and the Cerebus issue of Spawn (I wonder if it's worth anything), so I didn't keep up with them closely.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Image looked like garbage from the start to me. whereas the initial wave of direct market independents was driven by material that DC/Marvel wasn't interested in/refused to publish, Image was driven solely by ownership issues, not by content. Spawn? why would I want to read that crap
― Gene Shalit in a Child's Sailor Hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
WmC, i also meant to say that i don't think that the breaking of dc's distribution hammerlock directly led to the creation of red circle, atlas, skywald etc etc - after all, there had been companies like tower, charlton and acg publishing superhero stuff in the 60s. neither skywald (overseen by sol brodSKY, marvel's former production supremo) nor atlas (owned by martin goodman, former marvel comics publisher) were really competing with DC directly - atlas in particular was pretty obviously trying to give stan lee and new marvel owners cadence a bloody nose - and by the early 70s DC was no longer the power it once was, or ever would be again. the decline of dell/four colour - arguably at one time the most 'powerful' and successful comic book company in america - also helped to free up newsstand space.
forks asks for american examples of "a collective of guys who create comics on their own with one business guy in the mix that maintain the will/discipline/ability to continue producing a timely released and reasonably skilled level of material?" well, the nearest example i can think of is EC, though of course that was more of a (relatively) benign oligarchy rather than a genuine collective; some of the old comic studio 'shops' also functioned this way to some extent - eisner and iger, say, or simon and kirby, where you had a money guy and a creative guy (tho joe simon was a fabulous inker and eisner was a pretty hard-headed business dude) - although again, there was never the remotest possibility of collective ownership/profit-sharing with all the hired help needed to produce all that product. kurtzman's collective humbug experiment - deeply influenced by his encounters with the great rene goscinny, creator of asterix - was entirely professional in terms of deadline-meeting etc, but an utter failure as a business venture. kurtzman's example certainly served as inspiration and warning to the zap comix guys - a collective enterprise that wisely rejected/avoided regular deadlines and printing schedules (and, thanks to the old head shop network, pretty much avoided greedy 'legit' distributors, too).
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks to the old head shop network,
Distribution is everything. It was a sad day when Cap City went down the tubes and Diamond came out on top. And according to Al Hewetson, Marvel killed Skywald by choking off its distribution lines. (I had never seen Skywald mags on a newsstand -- I've only ever read any because a friend in jr. high sold me a stack of Nightmares and Psychos.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, Capital City going down also really hurt some of these indie publishers pretty huge leaving them with some big bills.
Thing was with the direct sales stuff, DC did a heck of alot more development of titles and stuff for that market than Marvel did in the 80s. Marvel did a couple of titles that way and some reprint stuff, but DC did tons of titles that were direct only including eventually putting some of their main books into the 'baxter' format and eventually having the newsstand issues become reprints. Only exception was some of the stuff that Archie Goodwin did at Epic, which he did a few things that were really out there and great.
Those 80s books printed on that white paper have aged really well, I have found bunches of them that seem to have not aged. Those kinds of production values, while going on side by side with the whole black and white explosion, was another tangent of that time period.
Adams' Continuity studios made some pretty much un-readible comics with highly detailed artwork, even then, but they were always immaculately put together with really high quality paper and colors.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Capital didn’t so much “go down”, as they were str8 torpedoed by DC. Out of the dozen distributors that collapsed post-Marvelution, Capital is the only one that paid ANY of their debts IIRC, so it’s even more shitty to point fingers at them for that.
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm confused, are you saying earlnash or I have done something shitty by pointing out the Cap City went out of business? I just want to be really really clear here.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Nah, just that it’s kind of unfair and inaccurate to imply that Capital specifically hurt a bunch of smaller publishers when they shuttered, because a) they were deliberately killed by DC’s horrible, horrible, stupid business decision rather than going down due to any incompetence or mismanagement, and b) the Capital dudes were as scrupulous as they could be about paying down what they could afford to, unlike EVERY OTHER DISTRIBUTOR that either collapsed or just flew by night.
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Thursday, 30 September 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Jesus, dude, nobody said Cap City set out to hurt publishers by closing. It was all just a bunch of falling dominoes.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Thursday, 30 September 2010 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link
EC/Humbug/Zap are all great examples of what I'm thinking of; only EC really thrived tho'.Any thoughts on why that paradigm hasn't clicked with today's comic creators? It kind of DOES seem to be happening on the webcomic front a bit...?
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2010 02:42 (fourteen years ago) link
not that they set out to! but that they were hurt by Capital, rather than by the dominoes, or by Paul Levitz specifically
ask not where the finger points, it points at a man with a mustache
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Thursday, 30 September 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost to forks: Fort Thunder
never heard o' those guys but reading the TCJ piece on it now
― Muscus ex Craneo Humano (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 30 September 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Capital's closing hurt a bunch of small publishers..................They wouldn't have closed if they'd had their druthers.
There is no finger pointing in that first sentence.
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Thursday, 30 September 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Wasn't really making a political point, more remembering that it happened.
― earlnash, Thursday, 30 September 2010 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Pretty much been one main distributor for the direct market ever since, right?
― earlnash, Thursday, 30 September 2010 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link
was coming back to try and smooth out beef more but ^^nnnnggh!
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Thursday, 30 September 2010 05:30 (fourteen years ago) link
eh forks: not quite but
that post on comicscomics abt coober skeeber the other day prob of interest too?
― ♫ Ba-sic space, o-pen air ♪ (sic), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Revolver by Matt Kindt = alright. 3/4 Philip K. Dick to 1/4 Alan Moore formal play. Not quite Super Spy, which you should, should, should read when you find yourself with two or three free hours (not too likely), but it is, nonetheless, quite good.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Just read the first volume of X-Men: SWORD. Lived up to the hype, very entertaining - definitely a shame it's gone. I'm a little surprised since I didn't really like what I read of Phonogram, but the snarky humor really worked here. Fucking Death's Head!
― Nhex, Saturday, 9 October 2010 00:50 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, so I'm reading X'ED OUT by Charles Burns, which I think is his new graphic novel, and I'm intrigued, and I turn to the last page, and realise it's just part 1. Fuck! I'm going to have to wait 6 years to see how this thing finishes, aren't I?
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Yep.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I got some stuff real cheap at TFAW's websale and have been reliving my childhood in some good and some not so good ways.
The good: Hercules, Prince of Power. Loved this as a kid and it holds up pretty well. Still amusing, and might be Layton's best art.
The bad: Contest of Champions. Oof. In the collection it also has a sequel that I never knew about which is just unforgivably horrible.
The WTF: The Avengers serpent crown TPB (Perez' debut story arc). I always loved the Squadron Supreme as a kid; I think I should go back in time and slap myself. If this was told now it would take two years.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
THE PLAYWRIGHT by Daren White and Eddie Campbell: Swell. Wondering about the noted use of the violet in the last chapter. Also quite like the fact that I can't imagine ever intentionally watching any of the eponymous character's award-winning opuses.
GUS & HIS GANG by Chris Blain, Christoph Blain's evil twin: Jolly bit of joy, natch, but really should be called "Clem".
― R Baez, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Loved this run -- loved Englehart's whole tenure on the book. "WTF" is right, hauling Patsy Walker and Marvel's old west characters into the superhero realm. Moondragon accusing Thor of slumming among the humans is something I always wished would be pursued a little deeper.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Gus is SOOOO good
― Brick Frog! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 00:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I've gotten hooked on Mark Waid's Irredeemable and its spin-off Incorruptible. I ran into a bundle of them on-line and have now read 1, 3-17 of Irredeemable and the first six of Incorruptible. I think they were a pretty good read. Irredeemable definitely sparks the 'what comes next' at the end of an issue.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link
I’ll have to pay close attention when I get to finishing the Playwright collection and scope the violet. IIRC the playwright is basically a sad-sack version of Dennis Potter, and the plays are tongue-in-cheek (for White, not the playwright) equivalents of lower-rung kitchen-sink Play For Today type things? It has been yeeeeears since I read the early ones obv, and though I got the book months ago I’ve only read one or two of the new chapters (about caretaking the brother).
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link
A cursory examination revealed no similar color motifs in any of the other chapters, but couldn't find any. Probably need to look harder. Also, like the touches that you can tell are straight up Campbell: the VISA censoring that girl's ass in the background, the playwright standing before the abandoned theater showing a section of his life. It's not Campbell writing, but it feels like an expansion of his O. Henry adaptation from FATE OF THE ARTIST.
IRREDEEMABLE - s'alright. In terms of pace it's a really neat narrative machine, but I'm still disappointed that every issue isn't straight up Kid Miracleman mayhem ala OH-MY-GOD-WHY-THE-HELL-DID-HE-HAVE-TO-DO-THAT-AWFUL-AWFUL-THING-TO-THOSE-ORPHANS, etc.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Well you definitely get some Kid Miracleman fun in the issue with what the Plutonian does to Singapore. There is a funny bit about that issue that is in this Mark Waid interview.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28905
I also kind of dig the 'why' did Max Damage go straight angle of Incorruptible.
I know Robert Kirkman kind of got laughed at by some for saying more of these writers that get some place should drop doing the DC/Marvel superhero stuff and just start doing indie-books for themselves, but when you compare something like Powers or Ed Brubakers Criminal/Incognito or these books by Waid, I have to say I think he is right. These comics are to me, way way better than the stuff they do with the stock characters at the big two. Mark Millar seems to have figured it out, as he is laughing all the way to the bank doing this stuff and really some of those comics are quite meh by comparison.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I think you're right. And if I was one of those writers, I suspect I'd save all my really good ideas and lines for the books I owned, not the corporate crap.
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
A cursory examination revealed no similar color motifs in any of the other chapters, but couldn't find any.
The serialised bits were all in B&W originally, with no intention of later colouring, so it's definitely much less likely that there'd be any clever colour motifs in the first half.
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Tuesday, 19 October 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
This week's Batman And Robin - as with the previous two issues, every single panel is a very viable Panel of the Week. I also like it when stuff happens, too.
― R Baez, Thursday, 21 October 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Interesting story and book here: http://www.undergroundthecomic.com/2010/10/whole-book-for-free-or-learning-something-from-4chan/
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 October 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I just had this same frustrating experience. From what I've been able to find online, the next volume is allegedly called The Hive and will be out sometime next year.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Saturday, 23 October 2010 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I wonder how many vols there will be... it doesn't look as though one more book will wrap it all up neatly
― buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Saturday, 23 October 2010 04:44 (fourteen years ago) link
It's meant to be three books iirc
I would just wait until it's all done (fell off Black Hole after #3), but that Shooting Star tribute cover is so hot
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Saturday, 23 October 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link
― R Baez, Wednesday, October 20, 2010 6:22 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
frazier irving taking no prisoners atm. dude was born to draw the joker, but there doesn't seem to be anything he can't do.
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Sunday, 24 October 2010 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link
second volume of carol lay's You'll Never Know is as good as the first which is saying something.
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Werewolves In Montpellier by Jason - seemed weirdly correspondent with my life at the moment. Another swell Jason book, so get.
― R Baez, Sunday, 24 October 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link
frazier irving ... was born to draw the jokeri really, really love the way he draws Robin, ie as a child. I can't think of any other artist who nails kids like that.
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Monday, 25 October 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't really read comics anymore cuz poor & lifestyle changes & got fed up with monthlies that suckedBUTi am really loving Brian Chippendale's new one, If n' Oof.
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
re-reading the original 80s run of Nexus
― men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ Hours of fun in just minutes.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
it's pretty amazing, certainly one of the most consistently gorgeous comics of that initial 80s indie boom (second only to Chaykin's American Flagg run imho), and Baron's writing is so goofy - all these terrible puns and made-up slang (shulang! great goulessarian!)
love it
― men just grunt it all out together (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I always wished there'd been a spinoff miniseries featuring Miracle Whip.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Wednesday, 27 October 2010 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I just loved the fact that all the characters greeted each other with "what it is."
― Douglas, Thursday, 28 October 2010 05:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Badger was hella fun too.
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 October 2010 11:54 (fourteen years ago) link
okay it took me a day, but I just got this joke
― Great Goulessarian! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 28 October 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Nexus was great, it was one of my all time favorites. Judah the Hammer was really a cool character. It's kind of sad that Nexus kind of faded out.
I think the Badger is a big secret influence on Deadpool. First couple of Deadpool stories I read, the Badger definitely came to mind.
― earlnash, Thursday, 28 October 2010 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link
It's kind of sad that Nexus kind of faded out.
in the 90s, or the revival last year?
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Friday, 29 October 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
rude the dude was not a very good writer: t or f?
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
did he ever write anything?
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link
he did some writing. A few nexus issues. The Mister Miracle one shot with Mark Evanier.
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
All just contributing story ideas though, with someone else writing, no? Don’t think there’s enough there to judge him as a writer. (I mean, presumably he’s NOT a good writer or he’d actually bother writing something at some point in his 30-year career – but no point in dissing him for not being good at something he doesn’t do.)
And that Mr Miracle ish (and the sequel from 15 years later, but less so) is doooooooope anyway so
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Friday, 29 October 2010 03:12 (fourteen years ago) link
wait only 12 years later? time fliiiiiies
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Friday, 29 October 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Man, Rude's Big Barda was muy guapa.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Friday, 29 October 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=511393&gsub=80637
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150316359615433&set=a.304366270432.325399.57611645432&ref=nf
― boxes of mint aeros I have eaten in a week (sic), Friday, 29 October 2010 03:29 (fourteen years ago) link
that Mister Miracle one-shot is fantastic, one of the best (of many) Kirby homages
― Great Goulessarian! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 October 2010 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I am enjoying the latest issue of Incognito, but it would be nice if Ed Brubaker could get to meet some women sometime so that he could not just have the same woman character appearing in everything he writes.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 October 2010 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i just knocked out brubaker's captain america run from the death of cap up to the rebirth; it's a little uneven but fun
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
There's a new Incognito series?
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 October 2010 13:36 (fourteen years ago) link
yup, issue 1 out now. Amazingly, whatsisname is now shagging Zoe Zeppelin, who turns out to be a sassy shady lady, just like every other female character in Incognito or Criminal ever.
But it does also feature lots of people swearing at each other and blowing things up.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 October 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I have stayed away from Brubaker's Captain America because he was the cockfarmer who brought Bucky back from the dead.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 October 2010 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Burbaker's married and lives on a farm fwiw, he's tight with a buddy of mine
― Great Goulessarian! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 October 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
DV, bringing Bucky back is no more farfetched than sticking Cap in an iceberg for 20 years. Brubaker's work on the title is worth reading.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Friday, 29 October 2010 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link
it's not so much that it's far-fetched, more that bucky was pretty much the only dead marvel character never to be revived, so think it was a bit of a shame they finally undid that, and lost that sense of 'lack' that always seems to haunt cap/steve rogers
but yeah, brubaker and epting are a great team - their marvels project series is really gd, too
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 29 October 2010 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link
SMC - I am kind of hoping that your friend can reveal that Brubaker is married to a quintessential noir/pulp shady lady.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
lol dunno I've never met her myself
― klacktoveedesteen (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
is your friend Bucky?
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Can yr friend confirm or deny if Bru's acreage is actually a cockfarm?
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Like is it a working cockfarm or merely a hobby cockfarm? Does he have any cockfarmhands? Or does it cockfarm by himself? SORRY
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I guess we will have to wait until Hell freezes and Morrison goes back to Marvel and does this long sprawling Spider-man epic which ends with uncle Ben coming back from the dead after Pete somehow defeats Mephisto with a package of Twinkies. After that everyone will have been back from the dead at least once in Marvel.
As a Marvel nurd, that dumb Gwen Stacy was getting bonked by the Green Goblin story roils me a whole lot more than Bucky coming back. The Winter Solder story was a pretty ace story, although I think they should have just put Steve Rogers back as Captain America, as it is weird him running around in the Fighting American's uniform being kick ass "STEVE" undercover agent with no mask.
As for current reading, I got the whole The Authority first run dirt cheap (I had only read the first two trades) and got a full run of Planetary, so I've been re-reading and then reading the issues that are new to me. It is some really good stuff. I think The Authority is the first Mark Millar comics I actually liked other than the Ultimates, as I have only read some of his stuff from the last few years and just don't see the appeal other than the guy gets paired with ace artists.
― earlnash, Saturday, 30 October 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Peter David actually sort of did bring back Uncle Ben in his Spider-Man series a few years ago. Well, he was back in about the same way Gwen Stacy came back - kinda sorta.
I did like Winter Soldier though! Only read a little past the death of Cap but it was definitely worthwhile.
― Nhex, Saturday, 30 October 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I look forward to seeing Uncle Ben revealed as the "secret architect" of Spider-Man, his unseen hand displaced through time, pushing that itsy-bitsy spider toward that fateful bite, compelling Pete out of Kraven's coffin, et cetera.
― R Baez, Saturday, 30 October 2010 04:33 (fourteen years ago) link
After the inevitable Time Warner/Disney merger of 2015, it can finally be told that Uncle Ben is actually a time-displaced Uncle B(arry All)en, which makes Wally West and Peter Parker cosmic cousins!
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link
#comicsIwouldhavereadin2004
― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 30 October 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
#badideasthatarebetterthangeoffjohnscollectedworks
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 30 October 2010 17:15 (fourteen years ago) link
What really just slaughtered me?
The reveal of the title card in Cooke's adaptation of The Man With The Getaway Face. Hot damn - COMICS!
OTHERWISE - picked up that Monsieur Jean collection from a few years back on the cheap over the weekend, along with a collection of Thompson's Cul de Sac strips, for three bucks altogether. Very much looking forward to re-reading the Jean.
― R Baez, Monday, 1 November 2010 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Monsieur Jean is awesome, easily among the best slice-of-life comics ever.
― Tuomas, Monday, 1 November 2010 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link
One of my favorite comics from the past few years that no one (or rather, no one who speaks English) has taken any real note of is Dupuy's Haunted - it's a splendid piece of work. It's kinda akin to Campbell's The Fate Of Artist or McCarthy's issue of Solo - hyperlinked, with specific details and motifs recurring throughout different sections.
― R Baez, Monday, 1 November 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I missed McCarthy's Solo, I think! I should have bought every issue.
― mh, Monday, 1 November 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I buy McCarthy's issue of "Solo" every time I see it in a dollar-or-less bin, which is often. I've given it to a number of friends. It's wonderful.
― Douglas, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link
http://emcarroll.com/comics/faceallred/01.html
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^awesome
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 November 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link
First book of 20th Century Boys, my new favourite new favourite comic.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
it's great, right? you're gonna love where it goes.
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link
oh there's more? kidna liked it as a standalone thing tbh
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:56 (fourteen years ago) link
whoops, no i meant 20th century boys.that web thing is great but it's the first and only thing i know by that writer/artist
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 November 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link
that webcomic was great
― Nhex, Thursday, 4 November 2010 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, thanks for that link, very nice work
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
thank you so much for this, my new favorite comic
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 5 November 2010 07:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Justice, Inc. by Helfer/Baker is a fantastic piece of work. I'm anticipating the comind days of bin-hunting down their Shadow run as I type this.
― R Baez, Monday, 15 November 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
And clearly I've lost the ability to write, so stunderful was the work.
― R Baez, Monday, 15 November 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I agree that is a stoutbanding piece of work.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 15 November 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, man, that first issue - it's tremendously tight, every aspect is thought out and not just Baker's art, which looks like he dedicated a single day to every panel (ala Frazer Irving's recent bat-work; art's a mystery to me in this regard), but thematically, you can read it as one co-opting after another, from the first page on really.
Amazing stuff - one of the few revampings that probably qualifies as a genuinely sophisticated re-thinking of its source material, not just a vaguely murky gloss.
― R Baez, Monday, 15 November 2010 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link
it is fantastic, and their Shadow rewards the hunting too
― Know The (ledge) (sic), Monday, 15 November 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, i have that shadow run and it's worth hanging on to.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 15 November 2010 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link
― naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 5 November 2010 07:44 (1 week ago)
Glad to hear it! Just also read the first volume of Urasawa's Pluto, which is very almost as good. I like the sudden tonal shift into Merchant-Ivory-with-robots halfway through, and the art is lovely -- the perfect amount of detail and not-detail, reminds me a lot of Dave Sim.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 15 November 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link
I may be the only person on this board enjoying DEADPOOL MAX - gleefully decadent: YES.
"Marvel is actually paying me to think of the most fucked-up shit I can create."
― R Baez, Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I am also enjoying Deadpool MAX! it is totally unrepentant.
― teeny, Friday, 19 November 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the last thing that kicked my ass really good was Marvel's Alias, I hear they are starting it again soon too. I think the TPs are out of print but they are easy to pick up used. I am also super excited about batwoman #0 next week.
― teeny, Friday, 19 November 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I was kind of undecided about the direction Grant Morrison was taking at the end of B&R #16, but Batman Incorporated #1 was one of the best and funnest things I've read this year.
― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Friday, 19 November 2010 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm pretty sure that the Kyle Baker's cover for issue 6, featured in that link I posted above, is next year's cover of the year. I laugh every time I see it.
― R Baez, Friday, 19 November 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
so in my new job, there's a free program sponsored by Sony that gives kids the opportunity to learn how to do basic stop motion animation and the instructor is tom "hutch owen" hart and he's a really cool guy!
― old LOKO heads (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:32 (fourteen years ago) link
― R Baez, Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:57 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark
Wow, Lapham's doing Deadpool? Stray Bullets was the shit when I was a kid. Less enthused about Baker... I always felt like Hollywood ruined him, especially as a writer... and the talent's there art-wise but 90% of the time nowadays he seems to be half-assing it...
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 11:01 (fourteen years ago) link
and by "nowadays" I mean the last 15 years
First issue of Deadpool max was pretty meh, but the second issue was quite fun. I've got those Helfer/Sienkiewicz/Baker Shadow issues and need to sit down and read the Chaykin mini and the whole series again. It was a favorite of mine in high school.
The ending wasn't as good as the setup, but I dug 7 Psychopaths, which is a European comic story reprint with artwork by Sean Phillips. It is pretty much an oddball Dirty Dozen style WWII story. Phillips artwork was great as usual. After reading this trade, I'd love to see Phillips do a Hellboy story.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 23:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Very late to this, but ART OUT OF TIME is pretty much blowing my mind right now. It's almost too much to take - right now I'm obsessed with Rory Hayes and whoever did "Somebody's Stenog". Tomorrow it'll be someone different. That Howard Nostrand story is the most gorgeous thing to gaze upon and reading it could possible split your mind - bring on the commas! So many ephiphanies...
I hope Santa leaves me an infinite version of this book in my stocking - like the book Destiny lugs about, y'know!
― R Baez, Friday, 10 December 2010 02:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Deadpool MAX #3 was revenge fantasy-ish in all the entertaining ways
― mh, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed.
I just love the fact that, sure, it's a work-for-hire gig, but Baker isn't holding back in any way.
― R Baez, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Knight and Squire has really turned into something good. Paul Cornell's assertion that it works to think of #3 as a Goodies' script is bang on.
― progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Friday, 24 December 2010 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay, why didn't anyone tell me that a) Humanoids were reprinting Madwoman of the Sacred Heart as well as L'Incal and b) both of these would only be available for purchase or about five minutes
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 24 December 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Got a $25 gift certificate for xmas and immediately blew it on comics- Al Columbia's Pim & Francie, both volumes of Prison Pit, an early Brandon (King City, Multiple Warheads) porno comic called Pillow Fight.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Saturday, 25 December 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
(Testing again, please ignore/delete)
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Saturday, 25 December 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
How awesome is my daughter? She's so awesome she bought me Absolute All-Star Superman for Xmo.
― pixel farmer, Saturday, 25 December 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
My wife got em that for my birthday! So awesome. Just like your daughter.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I got All-Star Superman for my birthday in November and the Usagi Yojimbo Special Edition for Christmas. My wife rocks. As does Stan Sakai.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 1 January 2011 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
This blog post on AASS was really good - just discovered it yesterday via Tom Spurgeon.
http://deathtotheuniverse.blogspot.com/2010/12/notes-on-absolute-all-star-superman.html
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Saturday, 1 January 2011 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, though I'm still not convinced by JRJr/Janson as a good art team for Bendis, I'm really enjoying the new Infinity Gems storyline in Avengers.
― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Saturday, 1 January 2011 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, Seneca's great. We've begun an informal alliance of keeping DEADPOOL MAX alive as long as possible.
― "They did it with computers!" (R Baez), Saturday, 1 January 2011 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I, too, got Absolute All-Star Superman recently and it blew me away, best Superman story ever imo.
Speaking of Deadpool, I quite enjoyed the "Deadpool: Merc With A Mouth" hardcover. Great loopy fun, but then I dig the Zombies conceit in the first place.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks for the Seneca link, always good to find a decent new longeur-free comics writer. I think I can count the number on two hands now!
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Henry Rollins?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26k6095qAnM&feature=related
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Blowing up hipsters.
― Urban Coochie Collective (sic), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Kyle Baker's Special Forces is just pure grim exuberance. I know what book I'll be pushing on everybody for the next year or so.
― Dream impossible dreams (R Baez), Thursday, 6 January 2011 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Monster Man Bureiko Lullaby by Takashi Nemoto - You're not hardcore unless you live hardcore...
― Big Joe Krash (R Baez), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I only buy G-Mo weeklies these days, but still: !!!!!
http://forbiddenplanet.com/pages/wednesday-comics/
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 January 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I was confused for a minute -- the UK has had a different comics release day, right? In the US it's always been Wednesday.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Friday, 14 January 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Has been Thursday over here ever since, well, ever
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 January 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Some of you may want to know that Copacetic Comics in Pittsburgh (www.copaceticcomics.com iirc) have the Evanier Kirby book and the massive Picturebox Gary Panter book on sale for almost nothing. Apparently Picturebox had to liquidate a lot of their stock of the Panter to make up for overruns in the production cost, Copacetic swooped in and now you can get it for about $20.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Just finished the massive Usagi collection I mentioned above and I can't recommend it enough. I've always liked Usagi, but it took sitting down with 1000 pages to fall in love with it. His storytelling is truly marvelous; though nearly every issue stands on its own, the subplots and recurring characters and overarching mega-story are woven in so well it really blew me away.
Does anyone know the Dark Horse chaps? I'd love for them to pick up the tale with massive archives of their own, instead of buying 20 various books.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
If anyone here lives near a shop that has that Incal Classic Collection book that came out in December, I'd be more than willing to pay for it, plus shipping, and be forever in your debt. I didn't hear about it until it was already released and had sold out. I'd imagine some people got a few to scalp at crazy prices, which is what it looks like on amazon, but I'd just love to read the damn thing.
http://www.humanoids.com/album/234
― sectarian chicken (mh), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
fuckin' a, would love that
― From the novel "Spinster Dinner" (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Humanoids have confirmed they'll be releasing it in another format sometime (hopefully in 2011), so it's not gone forever.
I'm much more annoyed by their huge new Moebius Oeuvres collection (470-something pages, all of the man's Heavy Metal work) that's not going to be published in English at all...
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Whew, I was kind of assuming that because they weasel-worded around the fact that this was going to be the only release "in this format," presumably meaning oversized hardcover. I'm cool with waiting.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Copacetic Comics in Pittsburgh have the massive Picturebox Gary Panter book on sale for almost nothing.
good work, Frankie The Wop
the Panter box set has been remaindered in Sydney too, knocked down to $49.95 so far, but the same shop has been replensihing their stocks of Aline's Need More Love HC at $4.95 for two years, so I'm holding out for further reduction. The pile is four feet high.
ILX's Dark Horse employee went freelance a couple of years back IIRC. But I wouldn't count on it - Fanta has kept their seven volumes in print for over 20 years before this deluxe edition, while DH usually struggle to have 11 of their 20 available at the same time.
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It would be so nice though...
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, wow, Deadpool Max.
So.
Deadpool Max.
Mmmyup.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I KNOW, RIGHT?!
― I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate the Deadpool character. Should I check this out anyways?
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 20 January 2011 02:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's... different.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Coming from a place of utter indifference w/r/t Deadpool, I'd say "OUI."
It's David Lapham and Kyle Baker (KYLE BAKER! His work is spectacular here.) - thus far, Deadpool has been less the central character and more the catalyst for the stories, sauntering into some hysterical scenario and obliviously taking a stab at justice. In issue #3, Deadpool beats up racism. In the current one, he meets up with MAX Cable, who's probably just some crazy guy and takes a bite out of human trafficking. It's kinda like a MAD look at modern superheroes; barring Batman: Odyssey, it's the oddest thing on the stands right now.
FWIW: I'll shill myself and point out I've written more about it here.
― I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I love Baker so I'll at least peruse it. Lapham's never done anything for me, so going in the idea of that writer and character were two huge strikes against.
Your write-up really sells it well.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Where Demented Wented: The Art And Comics Of Rory Hayes - If you read this on the bus, strangers will gravitate to you with questions - it happened twice to me yesterday. The intensity of the work on display leaves you speechless. Judgying by the accompanying bios/essays by Edwin Pouncey and Geoffrey(Rory's brother), along with Bill Griffith's strip "The Rory Story", you're kind of astonished that Rory made it to 34.
― I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Saturday, 22 January 2011 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
When I first saw Synecdoche, New York, one of my initial thoughts was "Wow, the first Chris Ware film." And now that I've read Acme Novelty Library #20, I see that Chris Ware has made his own Synecdoche. Not to claim any homage or influence - I'm well aware that Lint was well underway when SNY was released, but that final page does resound with that fade to off-white.
OR RATHER:
Remainder (Tom McCarthy) + Lint (Chris Ware) = Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman)
― I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Still trying to track this fucker down:
http://www.humano.com/assets/CatalogueArticle/35645/album-35645_original.jpg
My ability to read French is atrophied into a horrible little stub since high school, but the art alone makes it worth it. Sadly amazon.fr no longer have it for sale except through scalpers on Marketplace- really hoping this isn't another "and oh yeah this is limited to 18 copies" deal like the English Incal reprint.
In stuff I actually have had the chance to read: Johnny Ryan's two parody books through Buenaventura (The Comic Book Holocaust and Klassik Komix Klub) and Francois Schuiten's The Invisible Frontier.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 28 January 2011 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
re: moebius, what's the feeling on 'madwoman of the sacred heart'? it was the first thing of his that i read (realize he didn't write it, but still), and i have mixed feelings about it. is it a good representation of his work, or should i look elsewhere before i form an opinion?
― rag photographique (ytth), Saturday, 29 January 2011 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
also - ebay.fr has a seller offering les annees metal hurlant for 99E, which appears to be the published price.
― rag photographique (ytth), Saturday, 29 January 2011 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, meant to include a link: http://cgi.ebay.fr/MOEBIUS-OEUVRES-COMPLETES-ANNEES-METAL-HURLANT-EO-/300514840062?pt=FR_JG_Livres_Bd_BD&hash=item45f8148dfe
Moebius update- Amazon is now taking preorders for a non-limited version of the Incal collection. $35 cover price, will probably get some kind of discount through Amazon by the release date in May.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 February 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Link? I'm not finding it.
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 3 February 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Incal-Classic-Collection-Moebius/dp/0857685864/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296700241&sr=1-1">Here</a>. And I was wrong on three important counts- March, not May, $35 is already discounted from $50, and...Titan, not Humanoids? Huhwha
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Thursday, 3 February 2011 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Page count is a little off, too...
― w/no hesitation (mh), Thursday, 3 February 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
There's been a bit of an update to the Amazon listing- release date is back to May, and a cover image has been added:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NudDMQj4L._SS500_.jpg
Looks like the same logo design/font as the earlier oversized hardcover. The publisher is still listed as Titan, though maybe that's a distro thing?
I left a comment on the Humanoids editor's blog asking what's up, but it looks like it didn't make it through approval.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Friday, 4 February 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Dwayne McDuffie has died! WTF + RIP
― old man yells at poop first thing in the morning (pixel farmer), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Wasn't sure where else to post this -- I don't think we have a general comics news thread.
― old man yells at poop first thing in the morning (pixel farmer), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Bummer! RIP, Dwayne.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
and on the day his All-Star Superman adaptation airs... man.
RIP
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I know, cruelest irony! I was planning on going out and buying a copy of the DVD later today.
― old man yells at poop first thing in the morning (pixel farmer), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
what the hell?!?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP.
I can't claim much familiarity beyond JLU (but what episodes they were!) but his FF run is woefully overlooked.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Always been kind of hacked off that this Guardian blog (by a now published author) nicked DMcD's "St Elsewhere" theory of everything without attribution. Very bad form. I noticed the comments are closed, though, so maybe somebody did that already.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Oops link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/tvandradioblog/2007/jul/19/insidethemindofstelsewher
Oops, they've added a link since I last read that, story over.
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Milestone was awesome, RIP McDuffie :/
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
good time to repost this
http://i51.tinypic.com/4j2452.jpg
― Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit, I'm dying here
― mh, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha ha !
― the most cuddlesome bug that ever was borned (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah "dark wheelie" is classic
― Nhex, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
brilliant but makes me feel guilty for having loved New Warriors as a kid...
― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 25 February 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_q0BtYj2y4
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 5 March 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I recognize the irony in spamming an ILC board with this, but I just wanted to mention it for people who don't look at the flat list of boards, because I don't think it would automatically show up on your Site New Answers and menu bar shortcuts: the ILX Marketplace board is up and running. It's a place for ILXors to buy, sell and trade each other their stuff. If anybody's interested in doing some comics horse-trading, here's your spot.
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=1425799748
― lowfat dry milquetoast (WmC), Tuesday, 15 March 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
DEADPOOL MAX #6 is just a blast of... something. There's a tremendous we-don't-really-give-a-fuck-what-you-think vibe to this book. It's a "What The-?" if the creators weren't just paying attention to the extra paycheck they'd be getting for some half-assed parody, but just gleefully hacking away at the genre.
Also: Banksy.
― All posts written by a haunted keyboard, just so ya know (R Baez), Saturday, 26 March 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.amazon.com/5-Perfect-Number-Igort/dp/1896597688^ this is whoa
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
How come no one told me that DC published a series call Big Daddy Danger in the year 2002? Youse been holdin' out on me?http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2011/03/grumpy-old-fan-going-on-about-ongoing-series-part-3/
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 26 March 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
The Igort book, forksclovetofu? Yeah, it's great. Reads like a recent Darwyn Cooke adaptation, except, y'know, before and "continental". That's my high praise.
― All posts written by a haunted keyboard, just so ya know (R Baez), Sunday, 27 March 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I was deeply impressed by the fluidity of the art, the rigor of the narrative and the quality of the translation
― I just want to give a shout-out to Buzzy Beetles (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 27 March 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Since this looks like the rolling general discussion thread, where's Huck these days? Or Leee, or Dave, or ... I can't tell if new names are new people or old people.
Kicking my ass these days: I just discovered Mouse Guard, but as far as new stuff, Unwritten and Secret Six are probably closest to ass-kicking. Although the Lex Luthor stuff in Action is pretty entertaining.
― Bill, Friday, 1 April 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Huk = Dr. Superman
― I know I can make it with just a little bit of soul. (R Baez), Friday, 1 April 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh! Well, see. I'm going to stumble around looking like an idiot for a while.
(Bill = Tep, for what it's worth. Haven't been around for a few years and am reorienting.)
― Bill, Friday, 1 April 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link
After Avengers #10 came out, I meant to post here how much Bendis' Hood/Infinity Gauntlet arc was kicking my ass. But then #11 came out this week and I'd say it was about the worst comic BMB has ever written.
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 1 April 2011 01:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't get used to JRJR's art. That was an obstacle for me with the JMS/JRJR run on Spider-Man, too.
I never read any of the Infinity Gauntlet stuff the first time around in the 90s, but unless there's whole layers to the new story that are going over my head, I guess there's not a lot to know.
― Bill, Friday, 1 April 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I hadn't read any of the original Gauntlet stuff either. JRJR's work seems to be getting more and more stylized and brittle...although I liked the look of Kick-Ass, so maybe Klaus Janson is part of the problem. Either way, Bendis/JRJR is not a good match.
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 1 April 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
JRJR's Watcher is the worst Uatu I've ever seen. It's like he's not even trying anymore.
I hate the Hood as a character and was hopeful that when he was depowered he'd disappear forever. No such luck.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 1 April 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
I really love the Hood! Guile and persistence as the greatest super-powers of all!
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 1 April 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I hadn't even noticed Klaus Janson was inking! Well, that actually makes a lot of sense - there's a lot about Janson that worked for Daredevil but wouldn't work for "how I picture the Avengers."
But yeah, the Watcher is exactly who I had in mind just now. JRJR's Red Hulk was already distracting me - his face looks like a statue, like surfing accidents and tarantulas follow in his wake - but JRJR's Watcher took it one step worse.
― Bill, Friday, 1 April 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Hi Bill! Good to see you again!Apparently, Volume 3 of the Torpedo reprints is out this week. That's the closest thing to a regular read I've got right now. Been reading Scalped in trades, nominally keeping up with BatMorrison, and looking forward to new Chester Brown and another D&Q upcoming historical fiction about the Klondike http://comics212.net/2010/11/22/congrats-to-zach-worton-on-the-klondike/
also, ahoy-hoyhttp://drawnandquarterly.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html#1069652434751710872
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 1 April 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know why I ever give these Big Crossover Events a shot - Fear Itself is terrible so far.
― Bill, Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Two amazing things:Empire State by ShigaSpecial Exits by Farmer
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I am of an age and in the general set of circumstances to want to get Special Exits asap.
― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
dude, it really shook me. deeply moving.
― slight even by tweet standards (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 April 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Umm new Glamourpuss. "How Cerebus would have behaved in MadMen".
― I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Thursday, 7 April 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I wasn't going to go to the shop today but
― Ita Buttrock (sic), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Afrodisiac by Jim Rugg and Brian Maruca is pure bliss.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Saturday, 9 April 2011 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link
"How Cerebus would have behaved in MadMen".
this quote was misleadingly inaccurate >:(
― $47 value (sic), Saturday, 9 April 2011 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Dunno, I went back to it and that's pretty much how it is. Admittedly, it's the Cerebus from the early stages of Latter Days, or late on in Rick's Story, but it's identifiably the Sim Draws Out His Neuroses real thing.
― I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Sunday, 10 April 2011 08:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, because the actual, and fairly accurate tag is "What if Cerebus had lived ... in the AGE of ... 'Mad Men'". Sim shows no indication of having actually watched any single episode of Mad Men (the implication otherwise was what got me excited to go to the shop!)
― the George Washington of butts (sic), Sunday, 10 April 2011 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I see Spiegelman's about to put out a Maus companion book thingy. Given the relative dud-ness of 'Shadow of No Towers', and this, I assume he's basically been completely blocked since Maus, and has nothing new to say? Or am I wrong, and he's been putting out minicomics and things below the radar?
― You're fucking fired and you know jack shit about horses (James Morrison), Monday, 11 April 2011 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
he's been teaching and publishing kids books with mouly
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
also rereleased breakdowns with some nice companion pieces. i think he's earned his laurels but the likelihood of another great novel emerging is unlikely.
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
girlfriend is finishing special exits and quietly crying; this book is pretty amazingly powerful.
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
and did about as much new material in the Breakdowns re-ish as there was reprint - that was good stuff.
Wild Party and Open Me in the 90s were both good but minor
He's done ...dozens? of editorial cartoon-style covers for the New Yorker
that said, the Maus companion book is probably just a print version of the Maus CD-Rom, and he doesn't have much new to say, but http://comicscomicsmag.com/2011/02/aside-from-wuthering-heights-what-have-you-done-for-us-lately-emily.html
― the George Washington of butts (sic), Monday, 11 April 2011 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost
Empire State by Shiga
How did you like this one? I've really liked Shiga's previous work, but I didn't think a romantic story would be something he'd be particularly good at, so I've been reluctant to buy it. Then again, I thought "Double Happiness" was pretty good too, and it was quite different from his "logical" comics.
― Tuomas, Monday, 11 April 2011 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link
It's good! A little dry but easy to empathize with. It's romantic in the most ambivalent sort of way.
― feels like heelies are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 April 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if it's because I only ever tangentially followed the root characters or if the books are really that good, but I am digging the shit out of Avengers Academy and Avengers: Children's Crusade.
Also, X-Factor is still awesome.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Monday, 11 April 2011 13:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been digging Avengers Academy too. Christos N. Cage knows how to write good a superhero soap opera with interesting twists; I started digging him through Avengers: The Initiative, of which AA is sort of a continuation. That book got somewhat muddled because of all the stupid crossovers Marvel's been doing in the last years though, hopefully the same won't happen with AA.
I guess I have to check out Empire State as well, then.
― Tuomas, Monday, 11 April 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
My wife uses the Maus CD-ROM in one of the classes she teaches and iirc it's pretty great, so that book might be more interesting than it sounds.
― rob, Monday, 11 April 2011 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know if it's part of a bigger event going on or what (other than the apparent crossover with Deadpool and Hulk annuals), but the Spider-Man annual was pretty cool.
― Bill, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Spiegelman and Mouly's recent(ish) anthology of American children's comics is one of the all-time great comic bk collections and should be on everyone's shelves alongside the Smithsonian and Yale anthologies.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
^this.i got my copy signed by both and had spiegelman do an ace hole sketch on the inside cover. family heirloom!
― feels like heelys are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Do you guys mean The TOON Treasury of Classic Children's Comics?
― rob, Tuesday, 12 April 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
yup
― feels like heelys are racing up my spine (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 April 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
http://kirbymuseum.org/gallery2/d/18206-3/handbill
Aw, I just googled an old (and, as it turned out, late) drama professor of mine, Sheldon Feldner, and found this link: http://kirbymuseum.org/caesar -- "Julius Caesar - - - In The Classic Kirby Manner!"
(As an aside, he also had a fairly sizable as "Hot Tub Spa Owner" in Howard the Duck. But he refused to speak about it.)
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
holy shit @ http://kirbymuseum.org/gallery2/d/18209-3/Calpurnia+and+maid
― I saw this awesome photo of a marmot (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 13 April 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Happened upon a copy of Harum Scarum, Trondheim's first appearance stateside. It's a grand comic romp, where stuff happens and doesn't stop happening amid lots of comedic banter, starring a cat reporter, a dog police inspector, and a rabbit med student.
So yeah, it is exactly like WE3.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry to be all "lol X-Men nerd" but Age of X is actually really, really good
kind of obvious (the big reveal this week was being foreshadowed as early as the first issue) but the way it's spooled out of a recent story line that actually had a pretty big impact on New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy and has confined itself to affecting those two books is the way crossover/event stories like this should work
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Harum Scarum is great, and so is the other Fantagraphics McConey book from that time, The Hoodoodad.
I'm getting myself psyched up to read the Simonson Thor Omnibus that arrived on my doorstep yesterday. Flipping through it, I'm excited by how it looks. I had feared that the recoloring would ruin it, but Steve Oliff did a great job of updating it to more modern tastes without overdoing it.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I was on a tight self-imposed budget at the time and it was either a copy of Harum Scarum or Josh Simmons' House. I'm agettin' that next, probably with two or three Krazy Kat reprints I found on a neat discount. Or that big red ACME NOVELTY LIBRARY thingy. Something.
It would be great to see those McConey books rereleased as a single tome, maybe ala Dungeon's stateside release - I don't mind the smaller size, but the same proportional dimensions make all the difference.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd love for more Trondheim in general. Aren't there like 10 McConey books?
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Fanta is due to release Approximate Continuum Comics soon, aren't they? I'm itchin' for it.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow! I had no idea. I have a few pieces (I think) that were in The Nimrod.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Here's a link to prove I'm not talking out of my ass.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I want. Glad it's not out at the moment - my comic $$ was all invested in Thor. And in a cheap copy of Cowboy Wally from Jim Hanley's when I was in NYC for a day this week.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
DJP -
sorry to get all lost in Trondheim - what's the deal with Age of X? I haven't read a good non- X-Factor mutant book in forever so I'm out of the loop on greater continuity.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, here's the general conceit:
The current New Mutants book started when the original Claremont-era of characters regrouped to investigate a possible new mutant who turned out to be Legion run amok. He was subdued and brought in for treatment by the X-Men's science team, led by Dr. Nemesis.
In X-Men: Legacy, in amongst other story lines we see how Legion is being treated; Nemesis is using telepaths to go into Legion's mind to compartmentalize his many personalities and is deleting the more fractious/unstable ones. Meanwhile, the precog/clairvoyant Blindfold is freaking out because she senses some awful, horrible attack coming on Utopia but can't adequately explain to anyone what it is. By her guidance, Rogue tracks down an interdimensional threat left over from an earlier storyline, but as Rogue is disposing of that Blindfold realizes that that wasn't the threat she was detecting after all.
After these storylines, everything in both books suddenly shifts to a linked narrative set in an apocalyptic reality where Xavier never formed the X-Men, half the stalwarts are dead, maimed and/or crippled in one way or another and all the surviving mutants have been gathered by Magneto in a fortress protected by a psychic barrier maintained by the Force Warriors, a group of telepaths led by Legion. Every day they are besieged by human forces looking to wipe them out, but they always push them back. Interestingly, every telepath who isn't on the Force Warriors is locked up in the brig with power dampeners for being "too unstable or dangerous". The story picks up right at one of these fights, where in the aftermath dangerous escapee Kitty Pride comes back to the fortress with a digital camera containing pictures of what's outside the force wall. She hides it when she is recaptured and it's picked up by Rogue, now known as Legacy (or Reaper, depending on who's talking to her) and whose only function is to absorb the memories of mutants who are mortally injured in battle so that they will never be forgotten. This starts a chain of events that exposes exactly what happened to create this world and why it exists, and it's all signposted pretty obviously but is really great to read. The X-Men:Legacy segments focus directly on Rogue and the New Mutants segments focus on the New Mutants, who make up a tracker team in the fortress hierarchy.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link
That sounds good. Sadly, I've learned to wait on Marvel "events" of any scope, as early promise often goes to shit. It'll be out in book form in a few months so if it holds up I'll grab it then.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
It is surprisingly, shockingly good. It's also on part 5 of 6 and continues to be great.
Actually large chunks of both X-Men: Legacy and New Mutants have been good for a while now, especially Legacy.
Also I never read the previous iteration of the X-Force death squad but the current iteration is great, largely due to Fantomex and Deadpool (Deadpool, I've come to realize, is actually one of my favorite characters when written well).
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
They're also doing this 2-part "Age of X Universe" thing where they talk about what happened to the other Marvel superheros. They've taken several of them and put them together as a superpowered hit squad whose mission is to sneak in and take out the Citadel; that has Captain America, The Hulk, The Invisible Woman, Spider-Woman, Iron Man and Ghost Rider in it. In another story, Spider-Man is still married and leads the squads out to get him on a chase through NYC to distract them from a pregnant MJ's escape. They're decent, for filler stories.
― fat fat fat fat Usher (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Woah, the Thor Omnibus is recolored? Thanks for the warning, I'll cancel my purchase. I assume the regular trades of the Simonson run use the original coloring?
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Honestly, it looks great. I compared it with my Beta Ray Bill tpb and I'll take the nice Omnibus over any prior printings.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 16 April 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I really hate recolorizing for modern tastes though. It's like Ted Turner Colorization for me.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 17 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Gotcha. I'm usually against it but this one works.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 17 April 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not for modern tastes, it's because the old colour separations are designed for newsprint and look hideous on white paper
― side splitting genital based username (vdgna) (sic), Sunday, 17 April 2011 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what's great? This Geof Darrow nine-page "Bourbon Thret" story in Dark Horse Presents #19, which I picked up earlier today. It's swell.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Sunday, 17 April 2011 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link
The Hellboy thing that Kevin Nowlan drew passes the time kinda well.
― I said Omorotic, not homo-erotic (aldo), Sunday, 17 April 2011 07:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/comics/partridgefamily/partridgefamily15-08.jpg
― Hypermotard: (sic), Monday, 18 April 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
"Woah, the Thor Omnibus is recolored? Thanks for the warning, I'll cancel my purchase. I assume the regular trades of the Simonson run use the original coloring?"
I don't know if it is really a terrible thing it was re-colored. The 80s Daredevil and Fantastic Four that I have seen in trade is kind of colored way too bright for the modern paper with the original separations.
Some people didn't like it, but I thought the re-colors on the 70s Conan Dark Horse did were pretty well done.
― earlnash, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Stuff I'm kind of digging is the recent Judge Dredd Case Files #17 with the Judgment Day story line by Garth Ennis and Pete Doherty with others. That was pretty cool.
I also have really dug the current Northlanders' storyline dealing with the siege of Paris by Vikings.
― earlnash, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
The recoloring on the Nick Fury: Agent of Shield collections is egregious. I really wish they'd release a new, good version.
― mh, Monday, 18 April 2011 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link
The 80s Daredevil and Fantastic Four that I have seen in trade is kind of colored way too bright for the modern paper with the original separations.
With the Daredevil Visionaries TPBs, the problem is not just the paper, they've actually been recoloured.
From here:
Mithra: I was going to ask what's the difference between a colourist and a separator, but I think you've already answered that question.
Buccellato: In the case of the DD Visionaries, it's an important distinction because they really aren't being "recolored", so much as "reseparated." You'll note that the original color guide artists (Glynis Wein, Christie Scheele, Bob Sharen and, of course, Klaus Janson) still receive credit. This is because on these books, Marie and I have been copying the coloring from the original printed comics. Compare the visionaries books to the originals: we've only changed things in minor ways; adding some gradients and color-holds. This is one of the ONLY times I have separated from another colorist's work. It's an interesting situation that I won't be making a habit of! In the case of these Old Daredevil books, I couldn't resist.
Mithra: Can you go into detail as to how you are re-doing the colours for the TPB? Do you scan in the originals and then colour using the computer? What kind of equipment do you use and software?
Buccellato: Marvel has been doing the scanning. Their Repro department stores most of the old film from past projects. In the case of the Visionaries book, Marvel scans the original black plate, and I treat it much as I would any new project. The real challenge lies on pages which originally had color-holds. That's when they take line-art and print it as a color instead of black. Because the scans are of the black plates only, the color-holds are all missing. These old Daredevils were quite experemental, especially once Klaus started doing all of the art--including the coloring. Because he was so involved, Klaus tried a lot of color-hold effects to achieve depth and mood. Many of the popular effects we do on he computer today are direct descendants of Klaus' experimentation--only he did them by hand! The separators of his time must have thought he was a madman or a genius! Anyway, all these effects are missing from my scans, so I've had to recreate them as best I can. This is done in several different ways, sometimes I scan the original comics and try to pull out the images I need, more often than not, I've been re-drawing them! It's a lot of work, and that's why Klaus insisted that I do the 3rd volume--because he know's I'll take the time, and have the ability to do it! My equipment is a Macintosh G3 with a 21" monitor, Wacom tablet and Photoshop.
Mithra: How long does it usually take to colour each page?
Buccellato: Anywhere from a half-hour to four hours. Depends on many things. Also, I employ an assistant to "flat" my coloring pages ahead of time. That means that when I get the pages, the main shapes are already separated from each other. I can easily "grab" each shape, pick a color for it, and then go to work on modelling and shading. It's hard to explain.
Mithra: How are you determining what colours to use? Are you just using the closest match for what is already there?
Buccellato: Usually it's up to me, but on DD Visionaries, I'm looking at the original comics. One thing that makes me well qualified for this job is that I was trained as an "old-school colorist." I can look at the different shades of colors in the printed book and determine exactly what percentages of magenta, cyan and yellow were used. I've even created a pallette in photoshop that is the same as the one I used to follow as a color-guide artist! Of course, because I am using gradients, I have not limited myself exclusively to that pallette. But it's very close!
Note that colourist himself calls the process "reseparating" rather than "recolouring", but since he created the new colours out of scratch (even if he tried to follow the original colouring), it still sounds like recolouring to me. And the result certainly looks worse than in the original DD comics.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 April 2011 09:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Tuomas you are totally wrong, that is far closer to "reseparating" than recolouring, but you are totally right that the result looks fucking awful on the glossy paper of the TPBs. They would have been much much better off taking a "recolouring" approach.
― Hypermotard: (sic), Monday, 18 April 2011 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, sorry, I read that in a hurry, and didn't realize that he only created the colour-holds (i.e. the places where the lines are not in black) from the scratch, everything else was done according to the original colour guides.
― Tuomas, Monday, 18 April 2011 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I find myself re-reading Cerebus too much recently, but this is mostly because I can't afford to buy any new comics right now. Really want the Kirby Captain America omnibus tho
― All this information makes America phat (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 April 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm still trying to figure out if I like Secret Warriors, to the point where I may or may not buy collections.
It started out as this team concept but now it's really veering into a combination of that weird "SHIELD has always existed as a secret society" thing that Hickman has created and old Steranko territory. Really, if it was just more Steranko-ish, I'd be all over it.
― mh, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Pim And Francie by Al Columbia - Man, there's this four or five page section where multiple Pims and Francies are trapped in this labyrinthine house of toys thing, with stray clutter and antsy word balloons hanging via rope from the ceiling and it is destroying my mind right now.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Monday, 25 April 2011 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
SHOWCASE editions of HOUSE OF MYSTERY and SINISTER HOUSE OF SECRET LOVE/HOUSE OF SECRETS. There's a lot of junky writing in these, but much of the art is simply wonderful, particularly in the HOUSE OF SECRETS stuff which started off as a gothic romance comic.
― Matt M., Monday, 25 April 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I am reading the 50th anniversary edition of the Best of Victor. While I'm loving Tough of the Track, Gorgeous Gus etc like I did when I was a boy, I'm sorry. A GIANT FUCKING HEDGEHOG?
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
That was one of my favourite stories. Giant hedgehog was VERY FIERCE.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 28 April 2011 12:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I am loving the ever more torutured reasons why Alf Tupper doesn't get invited to competitions.
― 4, 5, 6, The monkey's got a hockey stick (aldo), Thursday, 28 April 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not exactly new, but I really enjoyed the newly-in-book-form and expanded MISTER WONDERFUL by Dan Clowes--I downloaded all the pages from the NY Times back in 2007, but never got around to reading them for some reason
― You're fucking fired and you know jack shit about horses (James Morrison), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
This new Klondike GN from D&Q is right up my alley. Very good cartooning, historical fiction (a genre I only seem to love when done in comics). Lettering is kinda rough, rough enough that I notice it's rough. Similar enough to Chester Brown's Louis Riel, that if you like that on certain merits (cartoon history of Canada), you'll find lots to enjoy here. There's a real European cartoony feel to the art, more Lucky Luke than Tintin. I don't know, someone better versed in eurocomics of that style might pick up on the reference better.
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 April 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
historical fiction (a genre I only seem to love when done in comics)
Thought that myself recently as well. It's perverse, really. I don't give a damn about most historical prose fiction, i.e. those with some investment in the notion of the past w/r/t now and not just a current novel that happens to be set in the past, but I'll gleefully read Louis Riel (largely fictionalized, by Brown's own admission) or Hugo Pratt or that new Nick Bertozzi Lewis and Clark thing (is that out yet? I need to get on the ball).
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 29 April 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I saw that Bertozzi Lewis & Clark thing last time I was at the comic shop. Passed it up for Torpedo Vol 3 (also historical fiction, I guess). Funny you should mention that, since Bertozzi's The Salon is another favourite. Also, M. Leotard & Ben Towles's Midnight Sun.I think I don't have the patience for a lot of the ON THIS DAY IN HISTORY that goes in prose historical fiction and we go right into the story & funny pants.
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
dog ate the dust jacket and chewed up the cover of my copy of the new beto hernandez book. inside pages miraculously pristine. It's an improvement.
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 April 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Kramers Ergot 7, purchased with a sizeable chunk of my tax refund. It's...big.
(still available here if anyone else wants to make the same bookshelf-destroying mistake as me)
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Saturday, 30 April 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Brecht Evens - The Wrong Place
http://i54.tinypic.com/2edxmir.jpg
sample previews here and here
― Z S, Monday, 9 May 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what's thoroughly alright? BATMAN INCORPORATED #6.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Thursday, 12 May 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I was just popping in to say that. I have next to no idea what's going on (I can never follow Morrison's plots; I was wondering if I'd missed an issue) but it's fantastic
I am also digging FF, if you imagine that Mike Baron is writing it and it's another Nexus it's awesome
― Brakhage, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
What the heck did Bats see in the future anyway? The events of Batman #666?
― Brakhage, Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I think this giant international crime organization? Not sure.
― mh, Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Love this comparison! Yes, FF is a trip right now -- Hickman is bringing in a big harvest that was a long time in the field. The scene with Spider-Man and the Thinker was hysterical. And last issue, there was a bit between Sue and Doom that was exactly what I've been yammering away about for years, that Sue could be one of the more powerful M.U. heroes with a writer who accepts the gross physical reality of what she can do with force fields.
― Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Thursday, 12 May 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
How long has Hickman been writing FF? I basically only started reading when I heard about the Human Torch's death, and obviously it's in the middle of things, but I don't know ... how middle. (All these parallel Reeds seem potentially cool, but I'm a sucker for that stuff - see also the Spider-Man and Deadpool annuals, and Flashpoint.)
Also loving Batman Inc. Morrison on Batman in general has been a lot better than I expected (I should probably say "even better than..." but I'm sometimes lukewarm on the combination of Morrison and mainstream superheroes).
I've come back to this thread a couple times just to look at that Wrong Place preview again, I'm obviously going to have to pick it up. It's gorgeous.
― Bill, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
A year and a half, give or take: #570-589 of the previous title, plus three issues of the new book.
― Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I've still at two minds about Hickman's run... He has some good ideas, and every FF issue of his has something that makes me want to keep reading, but the way he keeps building up his plots is waaayyy too slow. Like, IIRC the multiple Reeds plotline in the latest issue was left hanging almost 20 issues ago, only to be revisited now. And then there was the bit about the "war of the four cities" that was introduced a year ago or something, then totally forgotten, and now seems to continue with the multiple Reeds story (except initially it seemed to be just about the cities warring with each other, but now the Reeds seem to be using the as some kind of a doomsday machine?). Hickman has just kept on introducing new subplots without solving any of the earlier ones during his 20+ issues on the title... Man, I miss the times when you could tell an epic superhero story in 5 issues.
Also, while I admire Hickman's themes of progressive science and his attempts to subvert the idea that Reed Richards is useless, it all seems pretty futile, considering that FF takes place in the main Marvel universe. It's pretty obvious this whole Future Foundation thing can never change the status quo in any significant way, even if the story keeps on suggesting that they would.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 12 May 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
What the heck did Bats see in the future anyway?
He saw the waif-and-stray hive-mind from SEVEN SOLDIERS: KLARION #2 taking over the world. Or Thomas Hobbes.
― Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, I'm certain we discussed Hickman's FF recently on some other thread, but I can't find it. Does anyone remember what thread it was?
― Tuomas, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"The Wrong Place" is indeed fantastic. I also really like Brecht Evens' "Night Animals," which I read as his gloss on "Where the Wild Things Are."
I am also crazy into Batman Inc. There's a theory going around about who Wingman (in the new issue) really is that's pretty convincing; I won't spoil it here, but I'll note that there's a surface reading that indicates that it's one character, and a more careful reading that indicates that it's another.
― Douglas, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I am also crazy into Batman Inc.
― rock you like a HOOSicane (contenderizer), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm intrigued by Hickman's work and kind of want to read the FF stuff, but at the same time I'm worried that he's introducing all this backstory for a lot of characters that will end up being shared. He's been doing that with that SHIELD series and Secret Warriors, but I haven't been too annoyed since it's really only screwing with Nick Fury & co. I could see him trying to pull in FF with the Nathaniel Richards connection -- I think he had Reed's dad being part of this SHIELD group.
― mh, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
is it bad form to ask (now that i've got my new ipad) for recommendations for .cbr/.cbz archives, legit and otherwise?yeah i know torrents etc but anyplace good for like GOOD BOOKS and foreign scanlations as opposed to bulk packs of this week's releases?
― beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Whenever I'm looking for something specific I usually start with a search in 4ch@n's /rs/ area. It's very hit or miss.
― Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
My ISP has actually still has a newsgroup server and there are a few comic binary groups that are good.
― mh, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
do tell
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
beats me, just search alt.binaries for "comics"? There's one that seems to post UK stuff like 2000AD, and the *ahem* alt.binaries.comics.dcp which is just a newsgroup for the dcp comics scanning group
― mh, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link
k. this is brave new world stuff for me and I'm balancing out my hoarding impulse with the desire to just have a hard drive handed to me with 250 gigs of prime reading material to last me forever. Still gonna buy! but would like to have material to carry around.
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think mainly I'll cheat and grab a digital copy of what I just bought. Definitely guilty of loading up my iPad or laptop with a full run of a series I only have in floppies or if I'm reading in bed and don't want to wake up having found out the cat knocked water on to a stack of comics.
― mh, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Still taking my time with the Thor omnibus. Man, the rescue of the souls from Hel is even better than I remembered. Skurge going punisher on the silent hordes of the dead is perfect. "He stood alone at Gjallerbru ... and that answer is enough."
They did such an amazing job with this edition.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link
WTF http://bit.ly/mo08d5
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 15 May 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
that would be one hairy baby
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I know we have some New York peeps on here so a question for them: worth going to the Comics and Cartoon Art museum? Saw they have an Eisner exhibit and was thinking of checking it out this afternoon.
Or, is there some other comic related activity I should do while I'm in town (besides spend hundreds at the Strand)?
Thanks chaps.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
They rarely have much, but if it's the same Eisner exhibit I saw several years back, it's pretty cool to see the hacked up and labored original artwork, and worth the trip if you're a fan
― Nhex, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I think it might be the same one, but it was amazing to see so many original pages covering 40 years of a career. Neat to see the "artists he influenced" wall - Kirby, Adams, Cooke, Fieffer, etc.
Spent 45 minutes or so patiently trying to imprint each page in my mind. Loved the use of whiteout to amplify the brightness of certain spots, or as water effects and more. Slick, those old-timers were.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Mocca is tiny but entrance is like ten bucks and its worth it to support them. Fingeroth informs me this is an all new exhibit*braggin*
― it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Only $5,but worth more to be honest.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
eisner 'influenced' kirby??
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the "artists we own a page by" wall
― special midget status (sic), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link
It was a scene from a Forever People comic that was a bit Spirit-esque in layout. Plus, I believe there was a quote from Kirby on Eisner next to it.
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 11:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Kirby worked in Eisner's studio he was young so sure why not
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
WHEN he was young
kirby and eisner were both born in 1917. its true that kirby worked for the eisner-iger shop (a slightly different thing from a studio, more akin to a factory) but kirby's dominating influences were newspaper strip artists, especially hal foster (who was a far more prestigous figure than eisner at the time that kirby started out in comics), and most especially the time that he spent working in animation, prior to starting in comics. more to the point, kirby's comic book style, his whole way of constructing pages and narratives, had next to nothing in common with eisner's 'cinematic' storytelling. i'm sure kirby respected eisner - as a businessman, as an innovator and so on - but palpable influence in something like the forever people is p far-fetched, imho, and i can think of lots more of kirby's comic book contemporaries and peers (joe simon, lou fine for example) who are more relevant, if less well known, than eisner was to kirby.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I can get with all that. I don't see a lot of Eisner in Kirby's stuff myself.
― underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
damn it forks
special exits was depressing as all hell
― Nhex, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link
a good book, but damn
― Nhex, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i kinda cried a lil
― crazy donkey winger (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 13:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy, War of Kings, Realm of Kings, Thanos Imperative and all the Marvel space stuff. Incredible Hercules was also pretty good. Trying to like Hickman's Fantastic Four, but it's just not clicking for me. Miss Dan Slott's She Hulk :(
― such a shame (jel --), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:42 (thirteen years ago) link
This should go on the "innocuous things that make you irrationally angry" thread, but 99% of ILE wouldn't get it, so
Blackagar Boltagon!?! Whoever came up with that name, do you also have a dog named Pawsy McBarksalot?
― what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link
to tie the last two posts together: I have only ever seen him in Dan Slott's She-Hulk, but I couldn't love the name Blackagar Boltagon any more if I tried.
― the man who forsook his wife for fap fap fap (sic), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
That must have been Stan, right? Or was Black Bolt's full name not given until later?
If only he'd done them all that way. Humando Torchberry. Theodore Thington. Silverius Surferson. Pastebraham Potpeters.
― Bill, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Peterrific Parkerhouse
I think the Black Bolt name is a recent thing, but I'm not sure.
― what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I meant the longer version is more recent, not "Black Bolt." A bit of searching brings this:
"Blackagar Boltagon" was probably coined for the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe -- that's certainly where I first saw it -- and based on my intimate familiarity with the production of that series, the blame would fall squarely on the shoulders of the late Mark Gruenwald. Mark's love for the characters and the medium was utterly sincere...but he often had a tendency to overthink and overrationalize things that were better left undisturbed.
― what made my hamburger disappear (WmC), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Theodore Thington.
:D :D :D
― all cats are gay (sic), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Duncan the Wonder Dog (on Douglas' recommendation) is sprawling complex and worth a peek.Paying For It is interesting in that it feels like the sharp point that Chester Brown/Joe Matt/Seth have whittled to impale their collective spirits/careers on. It's also a great read
― he he he what would i not eat? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean obvs it's just chester's book but it interacts with their worlds and features them so prominently i don't see how you couldn't see it as a collective work.
― he he he what would i not eat? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Gruenwald! As much as I love his good stuff (and some of his bad stuff), that would not surprise me.
― Bill, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
What’s kicking your ass right now, ILC-er?
SMURFS.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 10 June 2011 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
love that they're coming out, love the price points, cannot bear the hideous computer lettering :(
― all cats are gay (sic), Friday, 10 June 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
are we talking abt the reprints from papercutz? i ordered the first volume off amazon, sight unseen, and was v v disappointed by how small these books are - almost half the size of the original albums. won't be ordering any more.
paying for it is easily the best comics i've read all year
― Ward Fowler, Saturday, 11 June 2011 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I read comics on my phone, so I obvs don't have much of a problem with size. But the size did lead to the only obstacle I encountered in finding the new Smurfs reprints, insofar as I spent months thinking that they were being reprinted at their original size and was thoroughly confused as to why no comics shops in Chicago were carrying them...
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 11 June 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link
was v v disappointed by how small these books are
I'm a cheap date.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Saturday, 11 June 2011 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
they are definitely on the small side. still happy to see these great stories again. 'the smurf king' (which i kinda wish they'd published under its original title, 'the smurführer') is one of the best comic stories i've read all year.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 11 June 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
King Smurf is amazing, isn't it? I had a copy at home in English when I was a kid -- no computer lettering! Maybe I should scan it. It's like Animal Farm for kids for kids. Read a couple of the others, but they seemed a bit lightweight by comparison -- any good ones?
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 11 June 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
!
I thought you were joking. But:
http://images.wikia.com/smurfen/nl/images/a/ac/Smurführer_strip.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 11 June 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I loved King Smurf when I was a kid! Forgot all about that.
Okay, I've read Hickman's FF run now, and wow. There are some things I like better than others, and the size of the supporting cast is a little unwieldy, but it's definitely one of the coolest FF runs I've read.
― Bill, Friday, 17 June 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
truthbetoldcomics.com by writer and artist Rick Veitch
― Muttley vs. Mumbly (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 18 June 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i.newsarama.com/images/ddv2003cov_col_02.jpg
Is the new Daredevil book any good? Has it started yet? Wait, wait, MARK WAID is writing it? That cover is the jam. (anything else good at Marvel other than Deadpool MAX?)
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 24 June 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Not so much kicking my ass as mildly spanking it is the latest issue of Marvel's 1930s faux pulp mini-series "Mystery Men", which does not feature Flaming Carrot or Screwball but does boast Ayn Rand as a minor villain.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 24 June 2011 09:27 (thirteen years ago) link
If I was good at writing and developing ideas, I would love to put something together for Martin Skidmore's FA site about all the pulp-inspired stuff in comics at the moment. The odd thing about it all is that it seems out of all proportion to people's willingness to engage with actual material from the pulps... people seem far more interested in tenth generation pulp knock-offs than in, say, actual reprints of Doc Savage or Spicy Armchair Detective.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 24 June 2011 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link
As mentioned above, Avengers Academy by Christos Cage and Mike McKone has been quite good. And all of the main characters in the book are new, so you don't have to know that much about the current Marvel continuity to follow it. Though most of the supporting characters moved from Avengers: The Initiative (also written by Cage) to AA, so some of the stuff in the previous book (plus a couple of plot lines from Dan Slott's short Avengers run) is referenced in AA. But A:TI was mostly good too, so you can't go wrong checking that one out as well.
IMO Avengers: The Initiative might've been even better if it hadn't been so much tied up with various Marvel crossovers. Hopefully Marvel has now gotten tired of its "new crossover event every year" that's been going on since Avengers Disassembled, so Avengers Academy could actually stand on its own. I stopped reading (the otherwise enjoyable) Green Lanter Corps exactly because the crossovers started occupying so much space in it, and I'm hoping the same won't happen with AA. I wish Marvel and DC would realize that there are many readers who are interested in reading solid standalone titles, and don't want them to get mired in company-wide crossovers.
― Tuomas, Friday, 24 June 2011 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link
(x-post to Huck)
― Tuomas, Friday, 24 June 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Hickman's Fantastic Four (now FF) and SHIELD are the two things I'm enjoying most at Marvel. Both are pretty self-contained and full of enough Big Ideas to be surprising now and again.
Was enjoying the Abnett/Lanning Marvel Cosmic, but I'm afraid that might be ending as they pick up more work at DC. I don't know if they're going exclusive but that's my fear.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 24 June 2011 13:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Is the new Daredevil book any good? Has it started yet?
It's... not out yet? I don't think? I heard something about early July. Could be wrong on everything here. Ask your parents for permission!
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 24 June 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I have some problems with Brecht Evens' THE WRONG PLACE - the placement of Robbie something of an ideal (at least relative to sympathetic sad sack Gary), when Robbie is clearly a charming cipher who, a few years down the line, is bound to become a blowhard - but I can't deny that there are moments galore that are quite exhilirating.
Maybe it's me? Am I imposing this structure, when the book intends to be something closer to a snapshot, less judgment-oriented?
Nonetheless, I had a fun time. And man, there are some tremendous set pieces worth a gander.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 24 June 2011 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, it would be lovely to consider it a WKW-esque glance at the scene, maybe a little closer to Scott Pilgrim, where Evens' gazes upon all his characters with some understanding, but the gamesmanship involved (the literary doubling all throughout, the color-coded-like-Clue characters, various etc.) flattens the characters into pieces moved on the page. I don't know...
Christ, this book is bugging me. Recommended.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 24 June 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
WONTON SOUP Vols. 1 and 2 by James Stokoe - there's a very post-Scott Pilgrim vibe here, decidedly different from either MURDERBULLETS or ORC STAIN. A really good pick me up - unaffectedly laid-back. From here to ORC STAIN, Stokoe's progress is amazing.
SCALPED by Jason Aaron, R. M. Guera, etc. - Crap, I'm addicted to this now. I'm up to vol. 4 at the moment and it's interesting to see how initially Dash was set up as our go-to hero and then it expands to encompass nearly everyone's POV, with Dash only a slightly more significant player than Red Crow or that kid who wants to fix his car.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Monday, 4 July 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been fairly disgusted and disillusioned with superhero comics the last few months, so I splurged the other day on the perfect antidote -- Ben Katchor's The Cardboard Valise. Been laughing myself sick just about every page.
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 4 July 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
THE WOLF by Tom Neely. A far better silent painted graphic novel than CELLULOID. And I'm a big McKean fan.
― Matt M., Monday, 4 July 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
BULLETPROOF COFFIN also kicked my ass.
― Matt M., Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a sequel of sorts due by years end, according to Hine and Kane in Seneca's TCJ interview. The Bulletproof Coffin: Disinterred!, I think. Don't hold me to that exclamation point - it's probably my enthusiasm's addition.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Thursday, 7 July 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I might actually buy that in singles (as it was meant to be read, I'm sure.) Bought #1 of the first go-round and then figured I'd get it when it got collected. It makes a perfect companion to FLEX MENTALLO and, oh, Brendan McCarthy's issue of SOLO or ENIGMA (so I hear, haven't read it in ages.)
― Matt M., Friday, 8 July 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Bulletproof Coffin was amazing, but thanks to shite Image distribution (and lack of demand here for weirdo comics) I missed an issue. Bah.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 8 July 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I am loving the latest issue of Sweet Tooth. I keep wanting to write a review of whatever the latest issue of Sweet Tooth is for the FA website, but I fear I cannot say anything about it other than "OMG This is amazing".
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 8 July 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Stopped in at my LCS today. It's been long enough that I had three issues of Batman Inc in my file (and that's it, except an issue of RASL), so it's been, I dunno, a while. Bought the Stumptown HC while I was there. Kinda felt like it was the right thing to do. I mean, not too long ago, I was dropping $30/week in there, now it's $37 every three months, and only if I buy a $25 hardcover. So I feel bad for the guys at the comic shop. It's not their fault! And to make things worse, there's an "art comix" store up the street a ways that also sells BOOK books & kids books, so if I'm gonna buy something from D&Q or whoever (which is more likely than anything else these days), I'll go there. Judging from the number of Ed Hardy-style Green Lantern shirts I've seen lately, the comic store can't be missing my dollars THAT badly, but still. Way back when 52 was coming out, they were there for me. We had a thing. It was wonderful in its way, but now it's over. I've got no use for Black Lantern Abin Sur Action Figures, and they've got no use for, um, whatever it is I'm into now.
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel like I am spending a lot less on comics than I used to... but I think that is because there is not much coming out at the moment.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't been a hardcore single issue buyer since the early nineties. So it's weird when I buy more than say seven or eight single issues a month. Mostly it's trades. Lots of older stuff. I suppose it'd be different if I pre-ordered, but I don't like having to do homework in order to be entertained and PREVIEWS just depresses me for the most part.
Actually really digging Jamie Delano and company's 2020 VISIONS reprinted by Cyberosia. Makes me wish I'd tracked down NARCOPOLIS, which I don't know that ever got collected.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 13 July 2011 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link
The 2020 Visions trade is nice, but after I got it, I really wanted to see the colored version and ended up getting the entire series for under $20. Kind of worth checking around, imo.
― mh, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I saw a bunch in the quarter bin of my latest trawl but passed on them since "I've got this at home already." D'oh.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 13 July 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Agreed re: Supes'n'Vicar above. I'm still buying Grant Morrison singles, but I've more-or-less dropped the rest (the Brubakers, Simones, Ruckas, Fractions, Johns's). Either their respective titles have out of steam (Bru, Simone, Fraction), totally dropped the ball quality-wise (Johns) or stopped writing about characters I'm interested in following (i.e. Rucka -- there's no way I'm picking up a Punisher ongoing. I'm not 12). Also, there's nothing as good as 52 or train-wreck-interesting as Countdown to force me into regular weekly comic store visits.
That said, am curious I'll pick up Waid on Daredevil.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 July 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
My list has dwindled down to Batman Inc., Invincible Iron Man, and Orc Stain. And Iron Man is so near the dropping point.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Thursday, 14 July 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Though I am considering picking up Scalped on a monthly basis, as I am nearing the end of the current trade run. Though that would mean going through the hassle of trying to find the current uncollected issues and I think I can wait five or six months for vol. 8 to come out.
And, as I guess I now like Aaron, I've heard fantastic things about the current PUNISHERMAX run but, man, that first arc had one of the biggest bad-faith narrative cheats I've ever encountered. "Hey I was in danger in the cliffhanger, but now, for no damn good reason, I'm somehow at this other place and now I have the upper-hand!"
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Thursday, 14 July 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
(i.e. Rucka -- there's no way I'm picking up a Punisher ongoing. I'm not 12).
I bought it in the cheap year-at-a-time hardcovers, but Ennis' Max run was ace, and not suitable for 12-year-olds.
― puke of hurl (sic), Friday, 15 July 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i wouldn't spend too much money on it but ennis' p run was as good as exploitation lit gets (and just as indefensible).
― apichathong song (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 15 July 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm enjoying Aaron's run, noted problems notwithstanding. Dude's good at the slow burn -- the last page of the newest issue is a great example.
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Issue 35 of Scalped - a done in one featuring an old couple on the outskirts of the rez - just made my commute home. A fine piece of work.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 15 July 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I couldn't help but in a way think latest issue of Batman Inc. with Man-of-Bats and Red Raven was a bit of a nod & wink to Scalped.
I'll be honest, I kind of liked the Ennis early Marvel Knights comedy take with The Punisher as straight man comics just as much if not more than the hyper dark and violent Punisher Max take, which was also pretty good. The crossover story in the MK run with Wolverine drew by Darick Robertson is one of the most fun comics I have read since picking back up the habit 5-6 years ago.
― earlnash, Monday, 18 July 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Either their respective titles have out of steam (Bru, Simone, Fraction),
I must disagree with respect to Brubaker. If you like his schtick, the last book of Incognito was a big bag of fun, while the most recent issue of Criminal was amazing. I don't know about whatever supershite titles he is doing, but the crime stuff rocks.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 18 July 2011 12:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I would assume it's a reference to his Marvel work.
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2011 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
My current impression is that all superhero titles have completely run out of steam.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 18 July 2011 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I have liked a lot of Brubaker's superhero stuff, and really liked Lowlife, but I found the first volume of Criminal to be total (well drawn) dogshit. Haven't read any subsequent vols, nor Incognito. Seemed to me to be as poor & unimaginative fan-fic as yr average superhero mag.
― make the Pagan Dad a Pagan Father. (Dr. Superman), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
fraction isnt' still writing iron man is he?
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, he is
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Incognito wasn't great, but it was alright. Melded pulp resurgence with Fight Club/Wanted middle class male entitlement. My main response was "Gosh, that Sean Phillips can sure draw purdy!" (He can!)
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
has iron man run out of steam? I liked it up to about book 4?
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
It's good. The main series comes and goes (the current Fear Itself storyline is not up to par), but last year's Mandarin-centric annual and issue #500 have been the best things Fraction has done in a while.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
The recent Dr. Octopus arc was just plain weird, with Ock extorting Stark into bootlicking and calling him "master"...so he could videotape it and replay it over and over later for kinky thrills?
― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
And apparently Tony's hit the bottle again? Well, it took them long enough...
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Monday, 18 July 2011 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of feel like it's a constant grind on Stark. He's been broken professionally and (somewhat) financially, and now they're trying to break him personally.
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I quit Iron Man around issue 22 or so, the "Stark Disassembled" story totally dissipated my interest. Clip show comics. Has it improved?
Criminal, I thought, seemed to get a bit samey around "Bad Night" -- any improvement there, too?
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd agree that Fraction's doing the drawn-out stories that work better in trades, to a point, but there's a pretty widespread abuse of "decompression" these days. Brubaker's Captain America work actually has issue-to-issue movement.
― mh, Monday, 18 July 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The two best CRIMINAL books have been LAWLESS and THE SINNERS. Stick with those and you'll do just fine. Don't get me wrong, the others are fine, despite the opinion of my esteemed colleague, Dr. Superman.
I thought INCOGNITO started out pretty well and then got bogged down by a sudden desire for the main character to pull it all together. SLEEPER is a more satisfying read.
― Matt M., Monday, 18 July 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Brubaker's Captain America run was kind of off for me for a while. The Reborn story was pretty awkward. That said, I think the trial of the Winter Solder and the arc with him back in Russia is pretty good, more back to what was making the comic work earlier on and more like Sleeper.
The Marvel book he did that I liked and would like to see him return to that was under the radar was the Marvels Project, which was kind of an origin for the "marvel universe" in a way. I'd love to see Brubaker do a volume about the end of the Invaders & WWII.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link
We all saw this, right?http://perpetua.tumblr.com/post/7843118740/mark-millars-wanted-articulated-a-new-myth-for
I kept flashing on Tucker CarlsonStone's smug mug as I read, though I suppose it's more directed at the AIC hordes.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I just got Supergods in the mail the other day, although I've been busy and haven't made it past the intro. Good stuff so far.
― mh, Thursday, 21 July 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm keen on Tucker Stone, but there's no denying the resemblence.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked him a lot at first, but as time went on, and he keeps ripping on the same comics, making the same jokes about the same deficiencies, it just feels like he's part of the cycle of shit comics. Like it's another justification for comics to be shitty, because then you get to make fun of them and feel superior, and not even in an ironic sense, but in a point blank I'm-only-reading-this-because-I-know-it's-shit-and-I-get-to-earn-points-by-knocking-it-for-being-shit and I don't know, I get exhausted just reading it.(i'm also down on the ComicsAlliance crew for NOT GETTING Tim Burton's Batman at all)
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 21 July 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
No mention of Jack Cole????
I HATE YOU FOREVER, GRANT MORRISON
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Tim Burton's Batman is poo, no matter how desperately I pretended it wasn't at the time
We all saw this, right?
And no, my Supergods is still floating across the seas to me, though Amazon emailed yesterday to boast that they'd taken a dollar off the price and charged me an extra $6 postage
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
unless you mean we all know Perps has a tumpler and we all read it
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
which also no
Tim Burton gets points for creating his own vision of Batman that wasn't very strongly tied to any particular arc or era in the comics. Other than that, as someone who actually enjoys Batman comics stories now, I don't think his version has a lot to recommend it.
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Which side of the Atlantic are you on? I figured Supergods was published in the UK, too.
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link
You know what's kicking my ass, right now? Really?
Finding out that Ron Lim is a Gary Panter fan.
Much thanks to the ever-amazing Zack Soto.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Friday, 22 July 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Which side of the Atlantic are you on?
the... Indian Ocean side? who do you think you are, J0rdan S.?
ordered from amazon.com instead of bookdepository.com despite price though bcz the UK cover sucks so bad
― Booger T. Jones (sic), Friday, 22 July 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Nah, I just made a bad assumption. I agree that the US cover is pretty decent and has a nice slipcover. I've ordered more than a couple books from the UK for a nicer cover, I'm ashamed to admit.
― mh, Friday, 22 July 2011 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
A GOOD QUOTE:
"It was how Batman's utility belt might look if it was left to grow wild and free in ever direction."
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Saturday, 23 July 2011 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone read Waid's Daredevil yet? It's pretty much along the lines of his FF and Brand New Day comics, which is to say, great. I love their dorky, mellow vibe.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 July 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Good to hear. Dorky & mellow are both pretty lacking (and sorely missed) in superhero comics (whatever happened to Dan Slott?)
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 23 July 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
(whatever happened to Dan Slott?)
I read the first part of his FF three-parter in Amazing Spider-Man. Was good, haven't gotten around to the rest.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Sunday, 24 July 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The recent one, from like two months ago.
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Sunday, 24 July 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
I finally got that hardcover edition of The Incal that was released. Excellent stuff.
― mh, Sunday, 24 July 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
THIS: http://www.lettersofnote.com/2010/12/fake.html
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 05:25 (thirteen years ago) link
and the followup: http://sporadicsequential.blogspot.com/2006/09/rude-thoughts-on-toth-rudeness.html
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link
re: Brubaker I couldn't keep up with his CAP, just didn't ring my chimes. His DD was fun for a time, but also fell away from it. The only work of his I've read consistently has been CRIMINAL. I don't think that he and I agree on what superheroes ought to be doing in funnybooks, so I'll just step away from those and stick to the straight crime stuff.
Needless to say, I have this disagreement with many, many writers of superhero comic books, so I end up not reading a lot of them anymore.
Struck by a desire to re-read DOOM PATROL and am currently 500 miles away from my comics (and don't know enough about pee two pee services to try and track scans down.)
― Matt M., Saturday, 30 July 2011 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Really enjoyed the first issue of the Mark Waid Daredevil, though I would have cut the back-up by half, got a little wanky.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 30 July 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
It was good - disagree with you on that second bit, though. I will never tire of Marcos Martin.
ALSO: Winshluss' Pinocchio is one mighty fine piece of work. Grim misanthropic caricatural comedy just like you like it..
― My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Saturday, 30 July 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just saying it could have been tighter without losing any of its charm. And you know, I do appreciate getting it as separate from the feature. I can (but won't) name a few recent Daredevil writers who would have made a whole issue of it.Also, been listening to the audiobook of Supergods and it's pretty great (had some Audible credits to burn). It would be even better if Morrison was reading it himself, but still. Sample line: "Batman knew what it was like to trip balls without seriously losing his shit." Gives me great hope for Action Comics & maybe future generation of superhero writers who get mindwarped by this book.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 31 July 2011 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link
further to Matt's points, my tastes run the opposite. I prefer Brubaker when he's blending genres, making spandex crime thrillers. I dunno, I just like it when genres are hit sideways like that. Like, um, supernatural westerns or something.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 31 July 2011 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Takako Shimura's Wandering Son. Rafael Grampa's (way too short) Mesmo Delivery. Toru Yamazaki's Octopus Girl.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Sunday, 31 July 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Rafael Grampa's (way too short) Mesmo Delivery
That one's good. Grampa's also got something in Marvel's Strange Tales II. I need to get that eventually.
― Sean Connery dressed up like a teddy bear (R Baez), Sunday, 31 July 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I really think I kind of love this new Inhumans-centred FF, even though I hate the artwork.
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Sunday, 31 July 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I am tired and thought you were recommending a comic called Memso Grandpa. Which sounded amazing! I'll try the other one anyway.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 31 July 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
It's totally worth it, even if the story doesn't exactly conclude in a satisfying way. This is what got me to check it out:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_n5xC4ByBQAU/S_NMCpiQPHI/AAAAAAAALcY/qJbST5rV5FU/s1600/Image+(2).jpg
Grampa does wonderful, ridiculous things with text in this comic.
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Sunday, 31 July 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah - it's basically the first two acts of a very good story, with a drab Twilight Zone twist shoehorned in as an ending. But those first two acts are amazing.
― Sean Connery dressed up like a teddy bear (R Baez), Sunday, 31 July 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
STRANGEWAYS is actually sword-and-sorcery, I've figured out. At least the first two stories.
My problem with genre-bending superheroes is it almost inevitably (watch this come bite me on the ass) ends up missing out on what can make superheroes great reading, the entirety and immensity of imagination bound only by the flimsiest of editing and the omnipresence of the looming deadline. In all but the cleverest of hands, it often ends up being "Well, it really would be awful to have superheroes in the real world." Know what? Fuck the real world. I live in it. Show me something I can't see by switching my YouTube channel.
I might be a little buzzed still. Maybe,
― Matt M., Monday, 1 August 2011 04:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Just got Strange Tales II and Bigfoot by pascal giraud; looking forward to themAlso a LOT of Kim Deitch which can melt your brain
― generous doler out of lollies (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
finally got to read The Incal in one go; I'd read it in dribs and drabs over the years but never as a single piece. All the good things said about it don't come close to doing it justice. So happy Humanoids put out an affordable version.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 August 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
No spoilers, but... ummm. Hellboy. Damn.
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Saturday, 13 August 2011 10:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Really enjoying the english translations of the Aldebaran series. I'm a sucker for science fiction involving strange alien worlds where the flora and fauna are actually strange and alien instead of just humans with fur or scales.
― Dan I., Sunday, 21 August 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
THE WOLF was really good. Did I say that already? The relaunched DAREDEVIL was surprisingly good, so much so that I expect it to be quietly strangled in its sleep by the marketplace.
― Matt M., Monday, 22 August 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I loved this series too, pretty much for the same reasons as you. The sequel series, Betelgeuse, was even better in this regard: when the main character meets the THING (won't say anything more not spoil it), it feels both incredibly eerie and majestic. The only bad thing about the books is that Cinebook printed them in half size (like they've done for many other books too), which kinda reduces some of the effect of Leo's detailed art. Well, at least CB is translating many classic series to English for the first time... I guess printing them in original Euro size would be too expensive?
Another thing that bothers me about Cinebook, though not that much with Aldebaran, that they actually censor some nude scenes in the comics they reprint. This seems totally pointless, as I can't imagine kids being a major target group for their comics.
― Tuomas, Monday, 22 August 2011 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been *cough* stealing them online, and the helpful scanners have gone to the effort of de-censoring the affected pages. But I can only find up to book 3 (which covers up until book 1 of Betelgeuse in the original series)! I'm really dying to read the rest; I guess I should just pay for it.
― Dan I., Tuesday, 23 August 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link
lol (nsfw): http://mlkshk.com/r/6C7G
― Dan I., Tuesday, 23 August 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
dan, i'm hella curious where to find online books and wouldn't mind being hit up offthread via ilx mail with suggestions of where to look
― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
you might try the search box on http://rs.4chan.org/
― not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link
search term 'cbr' (or 'cbz') for "recent acquisitions"
― not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link
newsgroups!
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link
hm!
― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i got my wife an ipad for her birthday and we now have this amazing machine that is perfect for reading comix on, so i think i'm getting back on board the weekly comic book reading trip. what series are good atm? invincible iron man + fables i've gotta imagine are still good. what are the good x-comix? is schism any good?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like the following X comics (listed in descending order of personal preference):
X-FactorX-Men: LegacyNew MutantsGeneration HopeUncanny X-ForceUncanny X-MenX-MenAstonishing X-Men
I've enjoyed Schism a LOT so far, much more than the prelude miniseries that apparently had nothing to do with the actual series.
Also, Secret Avengers, Avengers Academy and Thunderbolts are all great.
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
INCREDIBLE HULK is good (the one starring the Red Hulk. Yes, I know. Trust me.) THUNDERBOLTS is good as well, though it's enmeshed in the big dumb event that's going on right now.
Not X-comix, I know, but still good.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh I have enjoyed a lot of the satellite stories around the Big Dumb Event and how you don't actually have to follow the Big Dumb Event to read them
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link
what's the bde(tm) this year? Schism?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
That's the X-Men's Big Dumb Event. The other one is FEAR ITSELF.
― Matt M., Wednesday, 24 August 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I also saw there's this Spider Island thing. Any good?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
X-Men also had Age of X earlier this year, which was contained in New Mutants and X-Men: Legacy and really, really fun
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Age of X was pretty much how a crossover should be run. Even if it wasn't that perfect, I feel like they deserve an award. Only a couple self-contained bookends, only took place in two books with a well-coordinated plot, and had actual character developments and changes to both titles that work outside of the crossover.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Back to the theme of the thread:
Casanova is starting up again in a couple weeks! Preview pages look great.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, not that current, but I finally read the Immortal Weapons series that was an offshoot of the Iron Fist book and enjoyed them. Enthused by the fact they have a little Iron Fist sidebar on the current huge dumb crossover, but I am scared it'll end up resulting in nothing.
― unwarranted display names of ilx (mh), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Have y'all heard about the Korean webcomic that has a bunch of people shitting their pants?
Seriously, I had a heart attack, and then I had another heart attack.
http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=350217&no=20&weekday=tue
Have the volume up on your computer, if you dare.
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Forgot to add: when you get to that link, scroll down. Keep scrolling.
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus christ just knowing that there are this many X-comics makes me sad
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 August 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xp, it's certainly interesting to look at -- i guess it makes a bigger impact if you read korean?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
ghostie is looking for her baby, "where's my baby at?" converse girl is all, over there. psych! ghostie's all, "WTF, my baby's not here!" so I guess it's funnier?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 24 August 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I read this as meaning that the comic itself is literally about people shitting their pants. Was disappointed (or maybe not) to find out it wasn't.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 25 August 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyway, on the X front, I haven't read too many X-Men comics, but I recently checked out the first few issues of Uncanny X-Force, and it seems to be really good. Unfortunately it features both Wolverine and Deadpool (did someone think that using two of Marvel's most popular but overexposed characters in the same title would double the sales?), though I guess their membership is kinda justified by the nature of the team. On the plus side it also has Fantomex and Psylocke... I still dislike Psylocke's ninjafication by Jim Lee though, but I guess that's the version of her that's the most popular, and at least the writer seems to know what to do with the character. I just started reading the second arc, which focuses on Fantomex, and it's nice to see someone is actually doing something interesting with the concepts introduced in Morrison's X-Men.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 25 August 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
"I haven't read too many X-Men comics lately"
Oh yeah, and the art on the first arc looks great (I'm not the biggest fan of painted art in supehero comics, but that guy makes it work), and the new artist in the second arc looks promising too.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 25 August 2011 06:40 (thirteen years ago) link
in fairness waking up and looking out of a window seems to make you sad
― Rob Based and DJ EZ God (DJP), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
nah
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it's been so long since I've paid attention to Marvel that I find it sorta stunning that they're still milking this franchise/brand for all it's worth 30 years after it's peak.
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks btw dan
― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 25 August 2011 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess the equivalent to X-Men for DC is Batman...? what's the biggest number of Bat-titles that have been simultaneously going at any given time?
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 25 August 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
They had four monthlies + Robin through most of the 90s. There are ostensibly more titles today, but when you have monthlies that come out twice a year and miniseries and far more spin-off characters, it's hard to measure.
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
yeeeesh, there are going to be eleven Bat-titles in the new era!
― L.P. Hovercraft (WmC), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't even list the two Wolverine titles (because I don't buy them). Or Deadpool.
― now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
idk how ~connected~ those eleven are beyond DC's desperate need to brand everything as inter-related because they don't trust any of their books to actually be good enough to sell on their own.
Batwing's a new character, and with the structure of Batman Inc being retconned away, oughtn't have any connection to Batman at all beyond inspiration.Batwoman has been written and drawn for over a year without the new continuity even being known about, so should be fairly distinct. Isn't Birds of Prey about Green Arrow's ex-wife, not Batman? Dude who writes and draws The Dark Knight has managed I think one whole issue in a year, with two fill-ins, before a reboot? That's not going to be cluttering the racks.Catwoman's presumably off doing her own thing 99.9999% of the time.Nightwang's been his own character since about 1984, one imagines taking him out of the Bat-costume will not put him back to being Jnr Batman Seeking Daddy's Approval.Red Hood & The Outlaws is actually a Teen Titans book, and apparently escaped from 1994:
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/06/red-hood-and-the-outlaws-11.jpg
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't think it's a great comparison. there are a lot of x-men (just counting iconic ones, not new/unpopular ones) and there's really just one batman (4 if you count nightwing, robin, batgirl). x-men can handle + should have more titles than batman can. which isn't to say that both aren't being overproduced
― Mordy, Friday, 26 August 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, to relaunch your whole line in a last-ditch aim to collect civilian readers and be this scattershot is just frankly insane. Even two titles is probably too confusing for someone who might otherwise go "I can get Batman on my iPad for 99c once a week? Sure, I'll subscribe to that." Seven series with Bat-something in the title, that only come out every couple of months, for $3.50, is going to drive even current print buyers away from the digital marketplace.
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember speaking with Douglas about digital future of comix like a year ago and saying what the fuck is wrong with these guys are they really that stupid and him saying yes and this kinda proves itas long as they continue to use the IPs to print money with cartoons and movies, they're free to demolish the rest of the business i guess. it's fucking criminal.
― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 August 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Is Batman Inc really being retconned away? I thought that whole thing was staying, and Morrison' Batman Inc title was coming back in like a year.
― Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 26 August 2011 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure Batman Incorporated will no longer exist in the new universe, and the comic's definitely not returning - the story as such will be wrapped up in a new series called Batman: Leviathan, and I'm guessing the year's gap is so Morrison can wait and see what the hell the continuity is and where he has to restart from.
he's mentioned having to "dance between the raindrops of continuity" in the remaining issues.
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
The new Jason - ISLE OF 100,000 GRAVES - is mighty fine, albeit not written by Jason. It shows up a bit in the slight emphasis on dialogues and the rhythm of the thing, but still enormously entertaining.
― Flaca (R Baez), Saturday, 27 August 2011 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure the various Batman & Green Lantern series are maintaining some semblance of their previous continuity. Those are the ONLY books that have been selling close to well and DC seems desperate enough to compromise their bold reboot in order to hold on to those readers/buyers.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 27 August 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i was reading a morrison trade book last night and drifting off and, without thinking, tried to turn the page by swiping my finger across it
― dozens, maybe even hundreds, of vagina related screen names (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 August 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
so i guess ipad is kicking my ass tbh
this Greg Rucka blog post is pretty swell http://www.ineffableaether.com/2011/08/24/light-in-the-dark/ , in particular
When I was working on 52, I half-jokingly asked Geoff Johns what it was with him and decapitations. If you’ve read his work, you’ll know what I’m talking about. Black Adam, in particular, had a penchant for removing the top, so to speak. His response was that he’d grown up playing Mortal Kombat. Fatalities were common, as he put it; a decapitation was de rigueur. Me, I was in college when Narc came out. Late formative years, and I still remember being taken aback the first time I watched the animated pitbulls tearing me apart on the screen.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Monday, 29 August 2011 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't like Rucka's comics all that much, but I agree wholeheartedly with that blog posting.
And in other news BATMAN INC #8 was FANFUCKINGTASTIC. Okay, the art was unreadable at turns, but the story was pure concentrated thrillpower Batman with more ideas flashed and discarded in the turn of a page than in most entire story arcs.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:05 (thirteen years ago) link
the art was a pitch-perfect 2011 tribute to Pepe Moreno's Digital Justice
heartbreaking that they've axed the two-part girls' school story given the direct reference to it in this btw
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Pepe didn't have poser equivalents, unfortunately. I found a lot of it stiff (unavoidable given the tools) but there were some neat bits. The teaser for the next issue looks gloriously lurid.
Of course, if you really want Moreno, REBEL is the way to go (though I really didn't like the recolored version that IDW put out a couple years ago.) If you can score one of the Catalan editions (in the US) do it. It's a terrific read.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link
The teaser for the next issue looks gloriously lurid.
but like I said, they've apparently cancelled it. the next two issues were replaced with a double-sized special called Batman: Leviathan Strikes, but since the universe reboots this week and that Batgirl no longer exists, even that's not being solicited.
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Sad thing is that those two issues would probably be better than 90% of what it's been rebooted in favor of.
Stuff like that just depresses me.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link
98%, Batwoman's the only thing possibly going to be up to par
― rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
It's like they're willing to try anything to stop losing readers EXCEPT raising the quality of the line.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:09 (thirteen years ago) link
and asking reasonable prices for digital comics
― Reddit Me Bro (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't get me started on that. Don't even. I'd say it's just rank protectionism of the DM, but I'm not even sure their pricing structure is even that canny in the first place.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
When Mortal Kombat came out on the Sega Genesis, that was pretty much it for arcades. Just sayin'.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I wrote a post about that very thing that everyone ignored. To be fair, I didn't directly tie it to the potential death of the DM as explicitly as I should've.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 30 August 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
So between us getting an iPad and the relaunch of DCU, I'm reading more than a couple comics every week again. Anyone think we should restart the buy threads? (For sure not like a couple years ago when there was a new one every week, but maybe once a month?)
― Mordy, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Top Shelf have a big sale going on right now- I just got the following for about $45:
All four issues of Josh Simmons' HappyKolbeinn Karlsson's The Troll KingEddie Campbell and Daren White's The PlaywrightRenee French's The TickingAX: A Collection of Alternative MangaBrecht Evens' Night AnimalsLeague of Extraordinary Gentlemen: 1969
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Monday, 12 September 2011 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link
fuuuuuck, didn't know that was a Brecht Evens book, bought $120 or so worth of stuff this morning
― challopian rubes (sic), Monday, 12 September 2011 13:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Let me know what The Playwright is like when you have read it... skimming it in shops made it look interesting.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 12 September 2011 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I know I'm too much of a superhero stan, but Secret Avengers #16 was fun, one of those rare complete-in-one-issue stories, plenty of thrizzlepower.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Monday, 12 September 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I just got the second Avengers Academy trade in the mail, and man, I'm still liking this one more than any new Marvel series in ages. I think the key thing is that Christos Cage is good at both writing the Claremontian teen drama of the students and the more mature issues of the faculty; and wisely he has kept the focus of the series on both. I love the new characters he created for this series, but it's also nice to see characters like Tigra, Hank Pym, and Quicksilver handled so well. The main thing in AA seems to be that pretty much all the characters in it are "broken" in one way or another, and there's plenty of soap opera, but thankfully Cage knows when not to wallow too deep in it and give us some superhero thrills.
Looks like Avengers Academy is currently involved in this "Fear Itself" storyline, but thankfully it's still pretty self-contained (I have not read anything else in the crossover, and I could still follow the plot in the AA issues perfectly). Let's just hope AA doesn't suffer the same fate as Avengers: The Initiative, the previous title written by Cage, which had a lot of potential but ended up getting too mired in various Marvel crossovers of the time to ever find its own voice.
― Tuomas, Monday, 12 September 2011 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link
KING CITY totally kicked my ass. BULLETPROOF COFFIN might have been the greatest comic I've read this year, but KING CITY is the best, if that distinction makes any sense.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 13 September 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not as if it's amazing, but if this Schism shit messes up Uncanny X-Force I'm going to be pissed off.
It's a team that includes Fantomex and has Deathlok in it recently! And has Wolverine and Deadpool without them hogging the spotlight!
― mh, Thursday, 15 September 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Kupperman's Autobiography of Mark Twain 1910-2010 is waaaaay more prose than I expected, but SOOO funny. I keep expecting the premise to exhaust itself, but it never does.
― like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 18 September 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
"Let's just hope AA doesn't suffer the same fate as Avengers: The Initiative, the previous title written by Cage, which had a lot of potential but ended up getting too mired in various Marvel crossovers of the time to ever find its own voice."
I just read the whole run of that title over the last couple weeks. I thought they actually did a pretty good job integrating "Avengers: The Initiative" pretty well into the Marvel big story and yet did their own thing with pretty much a changing but often times new cast of characters. I dug it. The last arc centered around Taskmasker I thought was real fun.
Jeff Parker has pulled that off pretty well with his couple of Thunderbolt arcs that tangentially tied into Siege and Fear Itself too. I think the current 'break out' coming out is really great and I am looking forward to seeing how it goes.
― earlnash, Monday, 19 September 2011 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree that Cage tied A:TI to various Marvel crossovers pretty neatly, but since there were so many crossovers going on at the time, it felt like more than half of the stories in that title were related to other, bigger stories I didn't care as much about. That's what I meant by saying it never found its voice. (I agree that the last arc was great fun, though.) With AA, there's still plenty continuity nods, but so far Cage has managed to tell his own stories... Well, except for the current arc that is tied to Fear Itself, but thankfully that tie is pretty nominal.
What's "Break Out"?
― Tuomas, Monday, 19 September 2011 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Marvel has this issue where any good series that's tied too closely to a team concept eventually either gets ignored by readers if it strays from the mainstream plots, or gets trampled by the crossovers and the book loses its ability to tell interesting stories on its own.
I caught up on whichever Avengers book that Ellis just took over -- Secret Avengers? -- and I'm somewhat afraid that he's just going to drop the story continuity that's been built.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
On the bright side, they didn't give him the other title that has Squirrel Girl as a babysitter, because who even knows what kind of writing mischief he'd get up to in that case.
Wasn't sure if Ellis is the new regular writer or if the new issue was a fill-in.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Monday, 19 September 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
How the hell I missed Secret Avengers for the last couple years when this was the remit, and I like Brubaker, I have no idea:Secret Avengers is definitely going to have a lot of the espionage plots and the Steranko influence, and the crazy Kirby technology, but I don't think there's going to be much soap opera. I hope it feels different than any Avengers team, ever.
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2011 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Runaways managed to avoid both of these, it only turned stale after Vaughan quit writing it. I'm kinda hoping Avengers Academy would manage to follow that route and find the same audience, though of course it (and Avengers: The Initiative before it) unfortunately has the word "Avengers" in the title, so some people might expect it to tie in with the various crossover in the "main" Avengers books. I guess Runaways avoided this crossover disease by having a set of characters that had no ties whatsoever to previously established Marvel characters.
― Tuomas, Monday, 19 September 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's the current Thunderbolts storyline coming out of the Siege storyline that pretty much destroyed the Raft. Basically the Fixer took off with the tower from the prison with Zantana, Moonstone, Man-Thing and some other characters going to hook up with Zemo and the wrinkle is that when they teleported to Austria, things went awry and they are in WWII not the present day. Luke Cage was not very happy.
The artist Kev Walker that is the main artist on the t-bolts book has a nice style and I think is pretty good.
I think the comics on the bad guys are usually pretty good and T-bolts is on par, especially again since Parker became the writer. Marvel needs to get Joe Casey to do some more comics with the bad guys. (Really Marvel should just get Joe Casey to write some more comics.)
I would almost bet that the integration on Avengers Initiative into the macro Marvel storyline probably helped sales and kept it around for 3 years. I thought it was generally pretty well done. Thunderbolts tie-in to these things have been pretty good going back to Civil War too for the most part. Some of the Initiative issues better explain and cover the side stories dealing with the Skrulls than the actual mini-series which was pretty much a long dumb fight scene.
Brubaker's Secret Avengers was pretty good, I dug it. The four issues after he left were terrible, but Warren Ellis is going to be doing six one issue stories with some cool artists. Ellis is pretty good at packing a lot of story into a single issue and the first one with Jamie McKelvie doing the art was really fun.
― earlnash, Monday, 19 September 2011 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Yikes. This is the first time I can remember Marvel continuity being more confusing than DC.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Ellis is pretty good at packing a lot of story into a single issue and the first one with Jamie McKelvie doing the art was really fun.
My first thought after reading that issue, and McKelvie's art really reinforced the impression, is that this would be the most kick-ass episode of an animated Avengers tv series ever.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Except for the body count in the thousands, I guess.
― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
LOVE AND ROCKETS: NEW STORIES #4 - SERIOUS.
― Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Wednesday, 21 September 2011 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link
ooh, better take a lunch break today after all
― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Thursday, 22 September 2011 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
^^ FUCK YOU DIAMOND >:(
― robocop last year was a 'shop (sic), Thursday, 22 September 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Beto in L&R:NS #4 - "Fuck you, I'm doing Antonioni." Awesome.
― Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Thursday, 22 September 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
L&R? Awesome, now I won't feel so guilty about all the crappy DC comics I'm about to buy.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 23 September 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Giffenspock!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/10/startreklegion-2.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 20 October 2011 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
man i wanted to like that way more than i did for $3.99
― adam, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
wld buy that if Giffen drew it, even knowing it would be horribly disappointing
ps R Baez OTM:
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
People are tripping on the new l and r, gotta get it
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Jaime's stuff is all cont. from #3 (and from the entirety of his pre-New Stories work tbh)
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link
L&R is something I always find on the web asap cause I'm jonesin' and ALWAYS buy a physical copy of to support the brothers. "Love Bunglers"/"Browntown" from 3&4 is just amazing, amazing work -- replaces "Death of Speedy" as the high-water mark of Jaime's career imo.
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
WOW the new Love and Rockets holy shit, so perfect
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 October 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
The past two Jaime issues were probably my favourite comic of ILC's lifetime -- apart from SEAGUY #1 of course.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 October 2011 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i got a little **misty** for real though
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Same! I am quite the bawler at cinema and TV but very rarely for books
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 24 October 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
It's getting Maus/Contract With God/This Man This Monster levels of adoration in the fan press afaict, and rightly so.
― Martyr McFly (WmC), Monday, 24 October 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i would (and almost certainly will, as there's no chance they won't do this) buy a compilation of just jaime's stories from v. 3/4 to give to people
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Monday, 24 October 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Walt And Skeezix 23-24/25-26, these Rick Burchett pages in The Black Hood #2 which totally look like mid-eighties Mazzucchelli, Jaime, Bakuman, Yuichi Yokoyama's Travel. Other stuff.
― Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
That reminds me, I need to do an order with this year's Walt & Skeezix, Popeye, Dick Tracy and Prince Valiants.
Butcher #4 is quite something, although telegraphed in the actual comic, and could have been guessed by those sticking with The Boys (although if you weren't then why would you be reading it, I guess). Leading up to quite the conclusion.
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 07:00 (thirteen years ago) link
doing that as a yearly thing is a sensible way to handle; I should do the same.
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi, Wolverine and the X-Men is GREAT
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it is. was leery of jason aaron writing a team book or a book with women in it etc but he has the characters down pretty well, it's funny, the art is excellent. AND it took more than 6 minutes to read.
― adam, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
it's basically everything I loved about the original Generation X run without Lobdellisms popping up all over the place
My one quibble in looking at the student roster in the back is that it doesn't make sense to me that Armor would be back at the school given the prominent part she was playing in Astonishing X-Men, in fact, the only students who stayed on Utopia that come to mind immediately are Hope's lights (minus Oya), the Cuckoos, Surge, Prodigy and Pixie (which makes Julian's "we came back for the chicks" line really, really hilarious).
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
this article
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
good find
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
look at this, it's amazing
http://www.comicsbulletin.com/soapbox/images/111005/flash2.png
replace Dan Didio with Chiarello stat
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Monday, 31 October 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Hey, I'd love for that happen, but never in a million years unless there's a spectacular and I mean ten-story-high-in-capital-leters SPECTACULAR flameout on the part of Mr. DiDio.
― Matt M., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link
what if he fills 90% of all their books with gruesome on-panel gore for three years straight, completely fumbles the launch of digital serials, and proves unable to keep a creative team on any book for three issues running?
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
that would get him promoted to COO probably
― D. Boon Pickens (WmC), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Those aren't spectacular flameouts. Hell, we call that "Wednesday."
― Matt M., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
This Flash. It's good.
― Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
in case you were wondering, Wolverine and the X-Men > Uncanny X-Men
― dense macabre (DJP), Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also, X-Men > Uncanny X-Men
X-Force > better than them all.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
http://boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/someday-funnies-04.jpg
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
whaaaaaaat
holy shit, this finally went to print huh? there was a huge Comics Journal piece on this project about two years ago
― google sluething so hard right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 November 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
this amazing splash
http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/03harrysahle.jpg
I don't know if I dare read the comic
― ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Monday, 14 November 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
There is no way the story will live up to the splash. No way.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 14 November 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
oh... mur-DER
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 November 2011 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
my brother sent me this this morning: prepare to be depressed
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 November 2011 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus christ. for those versed in ROM spaceknight lore this is the most fucked up thing ever.http://media.lifehealthpro.com/lifehealthpro/article/2011/11/11/Mantlo%20Journal.jpg
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
reading that bill mantlo article. holy crap that page is so depressing now that i have the context
― Nhex, Thursday, 17 November 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Some somewhat political article on a comics website had a commenter going on about how most people are insured. I held back, but I just wanted to post "Insured like Bill Mantlo was?"
― mh, Thursday, 17 November 2011 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I am getting excited about being able to buy and read a copy of DARKIE'S MOB, the classic war comic from Battle written by John Wagner. I look forward to being disappointed by one of little DV's faves.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm sorry, a copy of what
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
pip pip just a spot of racism let's be cool
― do you want me to share what i know w/ you or not? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
DV I bought this when it came out and you are in for a treat. It is quite as brutal as I remembered. (Not so Johnny Red, that was slightly disappointing.)
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Friday, 18 November 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://fanboy.frothersunite.com/imag/darkiesmob/cover_080177.jpg
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i will admit that looks fun
― do you want me to share what i know w/ you or not? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 November 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
racism pffft what racism
http://fanboy.frothersunite.com/imag/darkiesmob/bullets%20for%20the%20japs.JPG
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Friday, 18 November 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I said it last month, but Butcher is the best thing that's been published as part of The Boys saga. Not sure how much people who haven't been sticking with it would get out of it though.
― 50,000 raspberries with the face of Peter Ndlovu (aldo), Saturday, 19 November 2011 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I've been working through the whole run of Saga of the Swamp Thing for the first time since the '80s. (I probably read up into the Wheeler run when it was new.) I'm up to #41, a little bit into the Alan Moore run. He could pack quite a bit of story into an issue. The early Pasko run is decent for the time albeit with a plot that is about as straight as a backwoods country road and features some nice artwork by Tom Yeates, but it is a big change in tone and scripting quality even with Moore's tie up issue of #20.
― earlnash, Saturday, 19 November 2011 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Honest question for those of you versed in Marvel 60s lore: when did Avengers get good? I have slogged through the first three years worth and it is almost universally horrible. Some fun characters in the early Kirby involved issues (I love Kang), but then it is dreck for years. Stan seems to be phoning it in, and I can't say Don Heck isn't too (though I'm inclined to think that's just Heck being Heck).
I'm thinking I should have started with the Thomas/Buscema issues.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
sorry, wrong thread!
Prophet, the book about John Prophet, generic religious robot hero from Image, has been written by Brandon "King City" Graham. It's a very odd story where he awakes in a pastoral alien future where there are no humans left on earth, with the mission to restart the G.O.D. satellite and restart the human empire. It's like Michael Moorcock and Paul Pope, and it is kicking my ass. His run starts from #21.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think we talked a little bit about it upthread, looks pretty cool
― Nhex, Monday, 30 July 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link