Top 100 Worst Characters

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Not lame-but-funny or lame-but-redeemable or even necessarily boringly-generic, and certainly not so-bad-they're-good or wasn't-the-sixties-crazy, just actually rubbish characters in concept, design or use. Not limited by genre or nationality of comic, of course. Bonus points given for characters who achieved some level of actual reader popularity.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

1. LOBO (DC Comics; own title plus everywhere) - awful DC answer to Wolverine, played for "laughs" of which there came none - kewl biker dood, appeared in pretty much EVERY DC comic for several years regardless of time, audience and sense. Maybe was good once in a Justice League issue. Maybe. Accidentally happening on one of his appearances now causes cringing embarrassment.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

At the other end of the spectrum, unintentionally (it was the first person I thought of before clicking on the thread):

2. IMPOSSIBLE MAN (Marvel; FF antagonist). Omnipotent, silly, arbitrary opponent, Marvel's answer to DC's cavalcade of unbeatable magical trickster characters (of which only Mxyzptlk was interesting). A go-to character for writers who can't think of a plot or want something "light-hearted."

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

His original appearance is entertaining enough, but he should never have appeared again.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 17 October 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I almost hedged that, because there are probably literally hundreds of characters who are fine for one-time only appearances. Oh:

3. DOOMSDAY (DC, Superman-slayer). A story concocted to be as simply summarized as possible -- "The Death of Superman," a legitimate Event, packaged for the media complete with black-bagged comics -- inexplicably uses as its antagonist a goofy-looking alien monster with, it's later revealed, ties to Krypton and stuff. Used only once, in a better story, this might have worked -- Superman finally meets his match, an alien so incomprehensibly powerful he barely notices the red-caped nuisance squidged between his toes like snail jelly, etc -- but it wasn't a good story, and bringing the character back over and over again only reminded us of that.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Any number of crappy 2000 AD filler characters:

4. Tao de Moto

5. The Grudgefather

6. Mambo

7. Junker

etc.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 17 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

8. GWF Hegel

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Sunday, 17 October 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

9. INSPECTOR RAAM (2000AD: Cop) - in the late 80s 2000AD repeatedly struggled to write 'relevant' stories about current social concerns, in this case Green issues. The setting for 'Dead Meat' was a future world in which meat-eating was a crime, and naturally who better to police meat crime than a MUTATED SHEEP. Played as ridiculous it might have worked but Dead Meat was done straight-faced, indeed po-faced. Thrill-power at a minimum as every episode featured Inspector Raam chasing sausage smugglers (also it was drawn by someone dreadful). The final insult was the billing of the strip as "Dead Meat Featuring Inspector Raam", as if any other strip would feature him ever.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

10. THE X-BABIES (X-Men and related titles: far too often) - another character where a single appearance would have been just about bearable but DEAR GOD they were in the comic ALL THE TIME. For non X-reader the X-Babies were cartoon toddler versions of the X-Men who appeared on an alien cartoon show. Only two possible reasons occur to me for their constant recurrence viz. i) C.Claremont had a bet with someone; ii) C.Claremont was trying to get into the knickers of the world's twee-est fan.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

11. IKONN THE UNLIMITED (Image, fuck knows) - He's this purple and red guy with three eyes and big teeth who appears at the climax of The Worst Comic I Own, Newmen no. 3*. He's only in one panel, so I know next to nothing about him, but trust me, he sucks.

Incidentally the letter column of Newmen no. 3 contains this gem from one incisive, inquistive reader-

"1) Do any of the Newmen have more than one power?
2) Where are these bad guys coming from?
3) Where are the Newmen from? Where were they born?
4) How did the Newmen get their powers?
5) Who is the guy with the mustache and the red beard? Is he their father?
6) Will the Newmen ever fight another Image team, like Freak Force?
7) How old are the Newmen?
8) Are the Newmen Aliens?"

I'm afraid I've no idea whether the Newmen/Freak Force crossover ever came to pass.


* I don't appear to have the hash symbol on my keyboard.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 17 October 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

12. http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/2606_6939_3.jpg

later...
http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/news_images/2606_6940_4.jpg

haw haw

cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I love how Rocky looks like he's there against his will, like "off camera" some guy has a gun to Adrienne's head and has forced him to dress up in silver gloves and high-tops.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Love is a strong word.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Any number of the image characters created in that first mad rush of issues who seemed to be all about derivative costumes, powers, personalities etc. I could just list members of Youngblood, Brigade, Stormwatch, Wetworks and WildCats, but I'm gonna specifically list the ones who seem like they could have been created by 8 year old boys. Both have awful costumes and wow-what-a-cool-name names.

12. SHADOWHAWK

13. WARBLADE

And....

14. BEN REILLY/ SCARLET SPIDER
From the stupidest decision Marvel ever made came a pointless character. I shudder at the thought of him and the issues he appeared in...

David N (David N.), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

15. JESSE CUSTER (Vertigo; arsehole) Even though I maintain that Preacher was a pretty fun read, it features what must be one of the most objectionable lead characters of all time. Basically a highly unpleasant cipher for Garth Ennis' macho bullshit wank fantasies, the most abhorrent thing about Custer was that we were supposed to sympathise with the guy. This from the man who wrote the truly well-observed and moving 'The Story of You-Know-Who'.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

16. Kickers Inc.
17. Marc Hazzard: Merc

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha Douglas wins)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

18: Spider-Woman III, or was she IV, I know she pretended to be Spider-Man for a bit thinking that her breasts (which by virtue of being a comic character were large) would be mistaken for spider-pecs which is at least plausible looking at Spider-Man's anatomy. Not to be confused with:
Spider-Woman I (Red costume)
Spider Woman II (Black Costume which gave spiderman the idea for a black costume, though oddly she made hers out of material rather than an alien symbiote - idiot Spidey)
Spider-Woman III or IV, who turned up in the first issue of this series almost as if it might turn out to be her book instead, though she was clearly evil and sucking all the powers out of other spiderpeople.

This whole complex but luckily short lived saga was apparently created by John Byrne to cash in on the success of Spider-Girl not realising that Marvel also printed Spider-Girl so there was no reason to cash in on something they were already cashing in on. The character was so unloved that she later became the superhero version of an opium poppy.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

19) Doug Ramsey, AKA Cypher (oh, the irony) - super smart shit magnet, running around in black / yellow leotards doing nerdy stuff & getting into all sorts of trouble. Danger potential somewhat mitigated when he merged w/ symbiotic mechalien Warlock (to create DOUGLOCK, #19a on this list), despite fears of being infected with technovirus. Crapitude of character exemplified when poor Doug was used to highlight the dangers of the super-hero lifestyle (& possibly the dangers faced by writers when they're forced to deal w/ a character that's smarter than themselves & can't fly) when he was killed by Dr. Morneau understudy The Ani-Mator - yeah, knock off the geekiest of the geeks, way to go House of Ideas! I imagine he came back from the dead as some Warlock'd zombified techophreak, but damned if I care.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

20) Delirium (Vertigo: SANDMAN passim.) - anything I said about Delirium would make me look either sexist or Gothist or both.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

21) Batman, nuff said.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, explain.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just kidding around. Isn't "'nuff said" the Marvel Zombie mantra? Ergo, comedy! Or not.

You could probably fill a list of 3575 terrible characters entirely from the Green Lantern Corps.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Excelsior!

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG, Rocky is fantastic.

I remember reading Lobo as a kid...wasn't the point to take the piss out of DC characters outside of continuity, and by 'take the piss out of' I mean to see them all get shot in the head?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Lobo's no Ambush Bug.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

21) (for real) Bane, cf Doomsday.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

22) CABLE (Marvel, ubiquitous albatross of 90s mutant-related excess) - The sort of character a 10-year-old kid weaned on G.I. Joe & Transformer cartoons (& Marvel Comics, natch) would draw on his notebook during biology class. Check out the pre-pube checklist, folx - big guns, metallic arm, Kirbyesque body proportions, super-duper-powers, glowing eye, wicked scar. The sort of origin that can only be conconcted during a "Yeah! Yeah! And then he ..." after-school session fueled on convenience store candy & countless rounds of Metroid. Honestly, this ain't so bad. What's bad is when an editorial staff runs with this and tries to haphazardly shoehorn this guy into an already befuddled continuity stream AND HAVE IT ALL MAKE SENSE, nevermind killing whatever potential quaintness the character possessed by beating him & his clenched grimace into the frontal lobe of every fanboy possible. Any & all work done by post-Nicienza (sic) creators (for better or worse) has seemingly been binned w/ the return of Cable's daddy to the drawring board.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Bane was lots more thought-out as a character than Doomsday and the premise - Batman comes up against someone even more driven than he is - wasn't dreadful, it's just the character design was so rotten.

Cable is irredeemable.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Bonus points to Bane for being the first inflatable villainn that wasn't poppable.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

23) The Watcher aka Aka The Deus Ex Machina.: If only for "I am Twattu The Watcher and I am not permitted to interfere. Well okay, just this once, twice, four hundred times."

I think he might have got sacked recently which he had coming for a long time.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

24) Any pop-culture referencing Cerebus character who Dave Sim thinks is incredibly funny and cute, especially if their accent is rendered in painful phonetic spelling. I'll go for those two Beatles who ran the bar in 'Guys'.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Vetoed, if only for that great "bop on me nose" sketch.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't even remember that. I just remember them being horribly grating.

Incidentally, Lord Julius and Mrs. Thatcher are exceptions.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

re The Watcher, it's a convention in DC comics whenever there's some big cosmic cris- er, dilemma, for the mystical bigwigs, usually the Spectre, the Phantom Stranger, Destiny (sometimes a Guardian of the Universe and Shazam) to get together and remind themselves that they cannot interfere.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

25) Darkseid. This may be controversial, but he really easy the rubbishest villain ever. Not only because he is the uber-Kirby character (and is still drawn that way) but his life work is discovering the Anti-Life equation. Er, D, we on earth call that DEATH. Its the same thing.

(Also for such an uber-baddie he really never, ever wins or even does anything bad at all. Again often exists to show how scary this years summer crossover is when he grudgingly agrees to team up with all the heroes of Earth (?) to stop theUniverse being destroyed in a incompatible to the anti-life equation way. I am sure I've even seen Catwoman beat him.)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 18 October 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I take it you haven't read the latest Superman/Batman? In it, Darkseid finally seems to have done something evil. Sort of by accident though.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

26) THANOS (Marvel; universal cosmic gadfly) - Marvel's Darkseid; excuse for Jim Starlin to get all COSMIC on everyone; necrophiliac. Actually, not so bad as intractable force of evil pining for some goth lovin' and / or his six precioussssss Infinity Gems, but I think there were attempts (again, by Jim Starlin) to make Thanos more human & sympathetic (in a spiritual John Carradine / Bill Bixby way) around the time that the Infinity madness struck (somewhere between Infinity Sanctions & Infinity Coalition of the Willing), which undercuts Thanos' best qualities. Also, purple & orange don't go together. Also, he supposedly kills the entire Marvel Universe, which is a job best left to either The Punisher or Fred Hembeck.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

27. SEX WARRIOR (Toxic) - Toxic was a short-lived UK weekly set up by defecting 2000AD writers who wanted i) creators rights and ii) to tell old-skool violent stories. The lead character, cheekily, was Marshal Law. Some of the stories were good, some weren't. First major evidence of the downside of creative freedom came with Sex Warrior, who was kind of the Toxic equiv. of Rogue Trooper, a gun-toting future fighter who beat up aliens/commies/whatever in her bra. By the latterday standards of Bad Girl comics this is tame stuff but it was a sad moment for British comics - the implications of selling to 15-year-old-boy fantasies instead of 10-year-old-boy fantasies tawdrily revealed. Very boring stories too.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

28. DURHAM RED (2000AD), for similar reasons.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

29) General Glory (DC) - Captain America analogue brought in late in the Giffen/DeMatteis JLI, I dropped the comic which I'd been reading since #4 after the during this arc. Didn't need him, didn't want him, bored me to sleep.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw, I liked the General Glory stories. As an addition to a sitcom he made sense.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, fine, I take it back.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

30) Power Pack. Specifically Jack. Snotty little evil-thug-in-training, I kept hoping you would get crushed by rocks and you NEVER DID.

When the unbearably twee four-year-old is the best person in the comic, you know you have issues. Also, someone else mentioned the My Little Pony aliens on another thread.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

31) BLOODWYND (DC; only in JLA, thankfully) - Hi! I'm the Martian Manhunter! You might remember seeing me change shapes, solve crimes & eat Hydrox cookies in some of your favorite DC comics. Some of you might be wondering why, once upon a time, I was black & wore this awful disco reject costume! Well, it seems that I was actually embroiled in some nonsense regarding the REAL Bloodwynd, some Bloodgem thing wedged in my chest & a demon named Rott. I'll let the folks from BlackSuperhero.com attempt to justify all of this nonsense:

Bloodwynd's ancestors were slaves belonging to Jacob Whitney. Even for a racist cotton plantation owner, this guy was evil. One of Bloodwynd's relatives, a woman named Clemma, had her fill of his violence. For 28 nights, the slaves gathered to perform the ritual of the Blood Gem. Mixing their blood in a cauldron and speaking incantations as old as mankind, they created this object of power. "It was fashioned with the blood, the sorrow...the misery of all slaves." The gem was used to murder Whitney, who's heart stopped under it's light while his soul was drawn into it. Passed down through the generations, the gem gained power as each of it's bearer's souls became linked with it. The Blood Gem craved evil, drawing out the dark side of it's user.

In time it fell into the hands of the latest descendant who used it to become the mysterious sorcerer named Bloodwynd. The Gem is actually another dimension that acts as the energy source for the Gem's owner. Within that dimension exists the being Rott who is the combined evil and darkness of all the Gem holders joined with the soul of Whitney and given a diabolical form.

At one point, Rott tried to free himself from the dark dimension causing pain to Bloodwynd. When the passing J'onn J'onzz tried to help him, the sorcerer pulled into the Gem. Rott then telepathically forced J'onzz to take the form of Bloodwynd and impersonate him as a member of the newly reformed Justice League America where he remained as a mysterious member. The identity of J'onzz was revealed when the plans of Doctor Destiny caused J'onzz to go up against a doppleganger of himself. The Blood Gem had bonded to J'onzz and it took the efforts of the Atom and Ray II, who entered the other dimension, to rescue the real Bloodwynd. Once Rott was defeated, Bloodwynd remained a member of the JLA.

Send all hate mail to Dan Jurgens, ladies & germs. Thank goodness Grant Morrison & Darwyn Cooke are around to save me from this sort of convoluted heavy-handed stuff. As for the REAL Bloodwynd, he supposedly still shows up from time to time, but, wow, it might be in his best interest to keep a low profile. Or lobby for a Vertigo makeover. Or, at the very least, get rid of the box cut. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need a glass of milk.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

32) SUE STORM, THE INVISIBLE GIRL (Marvel; housewife and kidnapee), at least in the pre-force fields, Lee/Kirby days. She was just useless.

When did her force-field generating powers first come along, by the way?

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

33) I gotta say it, FIRESTORM (DC, first version). Sure, he had a great costume--for a figure skater! But he was just too powerful, and, yet, like Darkseid, never really did anything with all his power.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

You're all making this up, aren't you? Especially the x-babies?

Leon Czolgosz in NYC (Nicole), Monday, 18 October 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

http://lacosa.sion.com/ww/pix/series/ani/ani-12-03.gif

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://alykat.hispeed.com/playpen/meetus/index.htm

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom, I was involved with the creation of Toxic! I was not involved in any editorial decisions once the team (Mills/Wagner/Grant, as I recall) was brought together, so I have no responsibility for #27.

The anti-life equation is emphatically NOT death - it's about the removal of free will from everyone else in the universe. Starlin, unsurprisingly, didn't understand this, but most writers more or less have.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 18 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Rock of Ages was the first time I'd ever seen the ALE coherently explained.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That first picture is by Damian Scott, isn't it? He's great.

I'm sorry - there should be little to no praise on this thread.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the only reason there's been no mention of Spawn on this thread yet that nobody's willing to cop to reading it?

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe he might be this list's patron saint.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Spawn was great! It was everyone else in that book who sucked. (Also Spawn on X-Box SCII = HOTTNESS)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

HOWEVER if you want to start invoking Image characters, there's always YOUNGBLOOD.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

We really need an adjunct list for all Image characters.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sex Detectives or whatever they were from Preacher, i.e., what? Okay, they're bumbling detectives who possibly only take sexually-explicit cases and usually end up anally raping someone. It's something I could imagine Ennis waking up in the middle of the night with and scribbling down on a post-it. And didn't they get their own book?!

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I spent like three hours at GenCon playing Spawn on SoulCalibur 2. That is such a good way to start a Sunday morning, seriously.

I only read one issue of the comic -- the Cerebus one -- and I think I might've read part of a Medieval Spawn/Medieval Witchblade thing -- but the couple episodes of the cartoon I saw weren't bad.

There should be more Image characters here, though. And more 90s Marvel title-glut characters (but don't say Ben Reilly; Ben Reilly's just Peter Parker with crappy writers).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

34) ANY TIME THOR ISN'T DON BLAKE AND THE SON OF ODIN (Marvel). Okay, the Beta Ray Bill thing was actually kind of cool. Simonson knew how to write Thor. But after that, look, the "Don Blake turns into Thor, um, by magic, it was a punishment" thing is just as hokey as it is the strangest superhero origin to come out of Stan Lee's pen -- which is why doing it over again doesn't work. Thor has to be Thor, and you can't Firestorm him and like bond him to some other dude, or make him a construction worker, or give some other guy the mallet and call him Thundercock. I don't even remember that guy's name. Because he was suck.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

34a) THUNDERSTRIKE

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah HIM.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

What about when Thor was Bobby Goren of the NYPD?

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The only good member of the Legion of Substitute Thors is the one played by that guy from True Romance and the Hughleys, and only because I'm lying about him having been good.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

34b) Calling THUNDERSTRIKE THUNDERCOCK would've improved things immensely.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The Trial of the Incredible Hulk was TV this weekend, guest starring Rex Smith as Matt Murdock/Daredevil, and, uh, he's no Ben Affleck.

Huk-L, Monday, 18 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

34c) Taking a crappy character & adding / inserting the word "cock" or "dong" or other synonyms of / references to the male genetalia to the name is bound to be an improvement (cf. THE IMPOSSIBLE DONG; COCKSTORM; WANGWYND) (this doesn't work for CABLE, unforutnately).

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The Sex Detectives were due their own one-shot, but apparently the script was too explicit for Karen Berger - a fact which Ennis seemed inordinatly proud of and metioned in the Preacher letter col pretty much every month.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Think of how you could improve #35, then!

35) SPEEDBALL. There are much worse characters, to be fair, and it was nice to see a character who didn't just have another variation on flying-and-blasting for powers. But hype has to play a hand here, or the list would all be obscure never-seen-agains like Gagran The Improbable from some Strange Tales story, or those innumerable small-press superheroes from the 80s and 90s when everyone was trying to be the next Marvel. Speedball was billed as, in so many words, the next Spider-Man -- a geeky kid who gets powers to the ensuement of hilarity and angst. Angstarity. His power was he bounced around a lot.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

36) SILVER SABLE (Marvel; Spidey titles, & her own short-lived solo joint from way back when) - Jewel thief? Espionage specialist? Gorgeous socialite? Throws shuriken that look like truncated sporks? Doesn't do much else except pose & pout? Holy Boobtacular Batjinks!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I had the first issue of Silver Sable. Her tits were embossed on the cover.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

37) Night Thrasher - just for the name. Has there been a superhero called WANKER! yet?

38) Could be almost any of this incarnation of the Justice League, but GYPSY wins, for being as blatant a racial stereotype as has been seen in some decades. One old pal of mine suggested they should add a character called Nigger who had natural rhythm and could spit watermelon seeds with immense power.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

What was Gypsy's power again?

39. OCCULUS: From the Tom DeFalco run on Fantastic Four. DeFalco had clearly read up on his Lee/Kirby and liked the idea of the FF going on science-fantasy adventures in weird dimensions. But the Negative Zone had already been done - and so had the Microverse! So DeFalco created the INNIVERSE, found by Reed in his garage hidden in a block of wood. Ruler of the Inniverse was Occulus. He was Occulus the something-or-other, he shouted a lot, and he ruled a universe hidden in a block of wood. But his tyranny did not go unresisted! OH NO!

40. WILDBLOOD: Foe of Occulus. You might think to yourself "Wildblood? What a rubbish name! Surely Marvel could not have been so crass as to attempt to compete with Image by taking two kind-of-Image-y words and running them together?" but of course this is precisely what happened. I seem to remember Wildblood was a shouty type with big eyes. Last known whereabouts: block of wood.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

41. More DeFalco. His run on THOR ties in nicely with Tep's how-not-to-do-THOR post. He was kind of a traditionalist but also hugely over-literal, i.e. here are the Norse and Greek Gods let them FITE but wait over here the EGYPTIAN GODS and oh what is this the CELTIC GODS too etc etc. His run was like all the pages of AD&D Deities And Demigods fighting each other. I realise I have not nominated an actual character here so we'll say SET as it was all his fault somehow.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 18 October 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, I had blocked that out. My God, DeFalco.

42. THE BEYONDER WITH A PERM (Marvel, Secret Wars II and a plethora of cross-overs). In Secret Wars, the Beyonder wasn't a character so much as an arbitrary force, almost like a puzzle to be solved. Classic or Dud, that was fine. In Secret Wars II, the Beyonder comes to Earth and adds omni-naivete to his omnipotence -- his "cute" lack of understanding about how the human bladder works, or what normal behavior is, wasn't funny enough to make us overlook that he'd somehow been competent enough to assemble a planet out of alien cities, identify superheroes and supervillains, outsmart Dr Doom through psychological suggestion, etc. That was Cousin Larry Beyonder; Secret Wars II, we should probably assume, is about Balki Beyonder, who models himself after Captain America with Lionel Richie's hair, shacks up with Boom Boom, puts the smack down on Puma, and acts in an arbitrary way that makes for easy issue-by-issue plot division.

The one good thing to come out of it was Spidey grabbing a notebook from a building the Beyonder had turned to solid gold, and having an ethical dilemma over what to do with it.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

43. FRANKLIN RICHARDS (Marvel, FFspawn). Eighteen different characters with one name. No actual core to the character at all. He combines all of the annoying things about Superhero Spouses -- providing way too many "this time it's personal" plots -- with Shooterist omnipotence fetish. He's a deus ex machina character AND a victim character. And he never grows up, which in of itself is probably the weakest link in the FF chain -- how can characters in a book about a family ever develop if the child in the family is just a plot device?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 18 October 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

44. CARNAGE (Marvel, Spidey Villain, UberVenom). Venom was a decent enough Spidey villain - the first time. Maybe the second time too. But he was over-exposed within about 2 years. So what did they do? Created a Venom knockoff who was, basically, Venom, only, like, moreso. Stronger, faster, crazier, more vicious, duller....oooooo, scary.

David N (David N.), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

45. SABBAT THE NECROMAGUS (2000 AD; Necromagus) Shitty Judge Dredd villain who popped up one Prog with no build-up or accompanying sense of menace and decided to raise the dead and take over the planet? Why? because he was EVIL. Cue the interminable Judgement Day epic (basically Dredd shooting zombies in the head for 216 episodes), which was written by Garth Ennis, no less. Even the brilliance of Carlos Ezquerra couldn't make it exciting.

He had blue skin and a cloak with skulls on it, by the way.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What was Gypsy's power again?

She could sneak around and hide from people really well. And then nick their jewellery, presumably.

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

46. THE MAGICIAN (DC/Vertigo; Yani lookalike) The plot of J.M. DeMatteis' appalling 'Seekers: Into the Mystery' revolved around the main character's quest for this elusive figure. He supposed to be a mystical, charismatic guru who held the key to the secrets of existence; he came across as an insufferable Californian new-age bullshit merchant and/or a sinister cult leader. With terrible hair.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

47. WONDER MAN. After his third time coming back to life because of being made out of pure energy and ego, despite prematurely grey hair from being dead, and being in love with the wife of the android who was based on his brain patterns or some damn thing, I'm pretty sure Simon Williams's continuity became so convoluted that he turned into a mutant right then and there. I don't think I've ever known anyone who liked him, and besides, he used to dress like Alexander Cabot III from Josie & the Pussycats.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(Marvel, Avenger)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're gonna mention Gypsy, how can you not bring up her contemporary Vibe, the latino breakdancer? Or Vixen, the black woman who had animal powers?
Or J'onn J'onzz, the Martian who just happened to be green?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

48: THE BODY DOUBLES: Rogues (ha ha) or Ressurection Man (ha ha) who happened to be the nearest thing DC accidentally stumbled across that hit the Bad Girl fetish of the late nineties. One dimensional (though drawn to unfeasibly three dimensional) their schtick was being rubbish assasins. Not that assasins were ever going to trouble a bloke whose main power was coming back to life when he was killed. Spun off into a woeful one assumes mini of their own where they finally, I assume, got to kill people who stayed dead. Liek their career.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 08:28 (twenty-one years ago)

49) MADELYNE PRYOR, SUPER VILLAINESS (X-books up the wazoo) - You wanna bring in a new love interest for Cyclops that bears a STRIKING RESEMBLANCE to his One True Love? That works. You want to insinuate that she's actually the reincarnation of the Phoneix? Ehh... You wanna reveal this to be all a hoax perpetrated by Mastermind? Well, then, that's OK! Hitch those wacky kids together & let them make the babies! You want to scuttlebutt this happy marriage? Ehh. You wanna do so by making Ms. Pryor-Summers into some succubusian dominatrix clone infused with Phoenix essence (dong!) embroiled in some godawful mystical time-travel plot involving two demons whose names, when spoken together, sound just like the name of a THIRD villain that just so happened to be the "father" of the clone? Sit & spin, chumly.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

49a) MP's villainess name, BTW, was THE GOBLIN QUEEN!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

50) THE SKRULLS (Marvel, rubbish aliens) Just for the fact that they once let Reed Richards dupe them out of invading the Earth by showing them pictures cut out of a monster comic and claiming they were in fact EARTH'S GREATEST WARRIORS WHO WOULD KICK THEIR ARSES IF THEY TRIED ANYTHING. Stupid stupid Skrulls.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

50a) Moo.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

51) THE MOLE MAN. Its barely a wonder that the Fantastic Four got that name when their first case was beating old Moley. The Barely Adequate Four more like.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

52) The Starjammers - Cyclops dad is a space pirate who gets it on with a cat!

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

53) HANK PYM (founding Avenger):

Giant Man, Giant Man
Used to be called Ant-Man
Talked to bugs in a monster book
Now wears spandex - what a look!
Look out! Here comes the Giant Man!

Blame him for Ultron? Listen, cat,
Dr. Pym's got no time for that!
Changing costumes, changing names,
Bug or big, it's all the same!
Look out! Here comes ... YELLOWJACKET?

Here's a bridge about stuff
That Pym did or didn't do
Fuck if I know what to put here
So I'll leave that up to you

Goliath .. I mean, Giant Man
Friendly wife-beating Giant Man
Shrinks or grows, it's great for sex
When you can plumb bob in your ex

Look out! Turn off that bugzapper
When you're in a disaster -
You could kill Giant Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

(I apologize profusely.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, I remember once having a conversation with Tom DeFalco about the then-new New Universe line (all of which could be nominated here). He was trying to tell me it was aimed at intellectual adults, college graduates over 25 years old. I expressed incredulity that what such people were after was, for instance, a big robot comic by Gerry Conway and Herb Trimpe, but he clearly believed what he was saying.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

54) THOMPSON AND THOMSON (Tintin; bumbling detectives) I love Herge and want to have his strangely-bequiffed black-eyed babies, but the Thompson Twins just AREN'T FUNNY. There's only so many pratt-falls and laboured spoonerisms a man can take. I'd like to think that old Georges kind of agreed with me, as evidenced by the fact that the later Tintin adventures see the twins' role reduced to appearing in the odd cameo, in which they seem like relics from an older, dumber age.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

50) THE SKRULLS (Marvel, rubbish aliens) Just for the fact that they once let Reed Richards dupe them out of invading the Earth by showing them pictures cut out of a monster comic and claiming they were in fact EARTH'S GREATEST WARRIORS WHO WOULD KICK THEIR ARSES IF THEY TRIED ANYTHING. Stupid stupid Skrulls.

-- Wooden (josephgoode...), October 19th, 2004 12:34 PM. (Wooden) (later) - holy moly which issue(s) is this, i must read it stat.

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's FF issue 2, available in the pulse-pounding Essential Fantastic Four Vol. 1

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Thompson and Thompson are TOO funny!!@@!!@

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sooooo happy someone finally posted after my homage to all things Pym.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Hourman (Justice Society)

Can be quite strong for an hour a day if he eats a magic pill that turns out to be made of super-addictive, brain frying, monkey crack. Why not just call him PCP-Man and be done with it?

Mark C, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Thomson and Thomson are funny, esp when their hair turns green.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

also funny in earliest appearance (blue lotus) when they are FURIOUSLY ANGRY the whole time (the version i have is old and french and they are drawn differently - squatter and more volcanic... i know herge redrew lots so i don't know if the english versions of BL were updated)

there are no bad tintin characters but asterix has the one-joke CACOFONIX >:(

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 08:35 (twenty-one years ago)

55) STACY X - Your mutant power is that you're a whore? C'mon now. The SASS and ATTITUDE were also enormously grating.

Laura E (laurae55), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Also there is a new Brotherhood of Evil Mutant who is basically a big bloke with an elephant's head who can spit acid. Obviously.

Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark - The Blue Lotus was never redrawn, as Herge deemed the original art good enough for posterity.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

56. The BEEFEATER -- a one-shot bumbling British super-hero from a Gerard Jones/Marshall Rogers issue of JLE, also known as THE WORST COMIC EVER.

SO MUCH worse than General Glory.


Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The Beefeater surely a subconscious inspiration for this.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

57/58. Elrod and the Roach.

For the same reasons as Thompson and Thomson, only true this time. Comic relief characters that weren't funny, with bad accents, and infuriating to read.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark - The Blue Lotus was never redrawn, as Herge deemed the original art good enough for posterity.

That's nearly the truth, but not quite. The pictures weren't redrawn, but some new details were added to the background. The characters were left as they were though.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

59. Sumann Harjavti. Brother of Rumann.

http://www.geocities.com/amazing_tales/micros/rumaanharjavti.gif

Comics were crap, weren't they?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone see this?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/075660592X.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Elrod and the Roach.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

60) NURSE ANNIE (Marvel; Uncanny X-Men and be thankful she's ONLY Uncanny X-Men): Oh, Alex Summers, I knew when I fell in love with your comatose form that we were meant to be together forever! Never you mind that my son Carter the Psychic Kid actually meddled telepathically so we would dream of each other and you would be subconsciously forced to jilt your psycho green-haired fiancee at the altar (with hilariously destructive consequences)! Oh, and if only Carter were The Psychic Kid! Oh, and if only I weren't so paralyzed by my fear of mutants! Oh, and if only my last name wasn't Ghazikhanian! Oh kiss me, Alex, kiss me before I talk again! Oh! Oh!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

61) GIANT ROBOT NANNY DEMON THING (Marvel; X-Men during the Inferno crossover). It was a giant robot nanny demon thing or something, and it like kidnapped kids or some damn thing; cf the Maddy Pryor inclusion, sum up: What the fuck.

62) THAT BIRD GUY THING FROM NEW MUTANTS (Marvel; New Mutants). What the fuck.

63) CLOUD (Marvel; Defenders). Hello, I am a galaxy or a cloud or a nebula or something and I fight crime. What the fuck.

64) MOONDRAGON (Marvel; Avengers). In the Marvel universe, Sinead O'Connor was raised on a moon of Saturn by Zen monks and dressed like Vampirella. Also: not a dragon. What the fuck.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha it's saying something that we've gotten to 64 without mentioning Maggott)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

61a) NANNY was the egg-head mutant thing & THE ORPHANMAKER was the Boba-Fettish killing machine. WTF most appropriate.

62a) Codename: BIRDBOY! His appearance inadvertently lead to the death of #19. MIMO - Mort In, Mort Out.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

65. KANE - Graduate of the Weapon X programe whose main power (IIRC) involved having detachable hands. Um, okay.

66. THE SUGAR MAN - Despite having a couple of points in his favor for being possibly the most gruesome mainstream toy ever produced that was unrelated to Spawn, the entire concept of an egg-shaped four-armed sadist with an evil tongue of power seems to have inherent flaws.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Did he wobble like a weeble?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

http://actionfiguresbygofigure.com/media/sugarman.jpg

Not really.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(heh, dan I thot abt Maggott but thot was too bad even for this)

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I have that Sugar Man action figure. There's a lever on the back that you can push to make it laugh all sinister-like. (This competes with the lollipop that forces you to make out with Jar-Jar Binks to eat it as the most disturbing thing I own that was ever marketed towards children.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf?? jar-jar? i don't want to know the details

(btw, i feel like i should defend hank pym - he's not that bad a character)

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

http://castle.geek.net/todcra/reviews/000128.html

READ IT AND WEEP (IF YOU DARE)

For extra hilarity: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0899/toy.html

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ohh, Dan the first made me weep andthe second made me laught out loud.

i don't know whether (as usual) to curse or to bless you.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I dig Hank Pym (especially written by Englehart), but he had a lot of bad periods. If you want to fight for him, though, I've got your back.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Maggott is the best character ever to appear in the X-Men.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The same cannot be said of 67. DARK BEAST. Somebody liked this alternate 'evil' Beast, created in some trading-card-shucking crossover shenanigans in the nineties, SO MUCH that he retroactively had a hand in every part of the X-Men since before they even were or something ridiculous. He's the 'beardy evil Spock' of the X-Men, only much less cool.

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)

68. GEORGE out of GEORGE AND LYNNE: OK maybe not 'worst' or even a 'character' as such but surely the most irrelevant presence in a comic strip, the entire purpose of which is to show Lynne's pneumatic tits every third panel - she might as well be talking to a post, or a soft animal, or a Martian.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

or a jar jar binks candy tongue toy!

in that second link it says "the boy was punished"! For WHAT?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

69. Starfox/Eros

http://www.coincidental.net/comics/images/covers/avg1-232.jpg


I could talk abt the horrible wingy hairdo but aside from the uninspired powers (what flight and superstrength?, standard fare in the avengers) he finally reveals his secret power which is, well, let me let Ludickid's guide to marvel explain

STARFOX. Occupation...womanizer. Good work if you can get it. And how does he get all the chicks despite his nature as a hopeless dipstick? MENTAL RAPE! He's a walking brain Sybian! And to think the East Coast Avengers hired him as a team member, rather than arresting him as a habitual sex criminal.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

He was my favourite Avenger :(

I love his name - Starfox he is a FOX from the STARS do you see?

The whole secret love powers was clearly protesting too much.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the way that Thor and Hawkeye are resenting the intrusion of this fancy man, whereas he seems to be quite approved of by the female super heroes - AND CAP?!?!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Monica looks a bit dubious herself, Cap does look positively gleeful

H (Heruy), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I could be wrong - that could be Hawkeye's orgasm face for all I know. I was never a big fan of the Avengers.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Monica (AKA Captain Marvel II!) was the one that got the most play from Starfox!!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:47 (twenty-one years ago)

70. Fred Fucking Bassett.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Maggott is the best character ever to appear in the X-Men.

Maggott is one of my favorite characters of all time! This doesn't stop him from being one of the most ill-conceived characters ever created.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

71. Mr Sinister!!!!!!

He looked like Colossus, and was just kinda pointless. Did he have a point? A power? Where'd he go?? And he inspired Belle and Sebastian.

jel -- (jel), Saturday, 23 October 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

ha, I remember the occasion when Andrew L, formerly of ILE, first heard of this character. He couldn't stop laughing, while asking "Is he a goodie or a baddie?" and such questions.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 23 October 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

72. Extraño, the watch-me-flame member of the New Guardians, the awful super-team that came out of "Millennium"--anyway, his superpower was essentially that he was gay, I think. Actually, the rest of the New Guardians were pretty lame too, with the exception of Thomas Kalmaku, for whom I've always had a certain affection.

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 24 October 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

61a) NANNY was the egg-head mutant thing & THE ORPHANMAKER was the Boba-Fettish killing machine. WTF most appropriate.

Oh I liked this character back when I was still reading the X-comics... She was kinda morally confused, wasn't she, with good intentions and an awful outcome. Louise Simonson was a good writer back in those days.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 24 October 2004 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

72a) Wasn't the Floronic Man a member of the New Guardians, too? (Yes he was! And without the spray-on skin!)

72b) Outside of Wally West's dad working with Fidel Castro, I can't think of any good that came out of Millenium & THE MANHUNTERS.

72c) NOTE TO ST3V3 3NG3LHART: I'm pretty sure the concept of "The Millenium" has been around for quite a while; taking credit for "being the first to deal w/ it" is somewhat disingenuous.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 24 October 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Best thing to come out of Millennium: That issue of JLI where Hal Jordan, Superman, Hawkman, Martian Manhunter & Dr. Fate (and possibly others) went to the Manhunter planet to kick ass, and were drawn by Kevin Maguire.

Huk-L, Monday, 25 October 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

(ONE OF THE) Worst thing(s) to come out of Millenium: The "other side" of that story, featuring Firestorm, Harbinger, that odd-looking GL guy, & Captain Atom wandering the cosmos like broken Star Wars action figures.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 October 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just thinking about that, how it sort of happened between the pages of that JLI issue. Driq, the GL whose ring wouldn't let him die. Ick.

Huk-L, Monday, 25 October 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The corresponding issue of Firestorm shows what happened to them in all its "glory".

DRIQ! He was the interplanetary Bill the Cat!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 October 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually spent all day yesterday on my goofy TV web browser reading the http::/glcorps.dcuguide.com

Huk-L, Monday, 25 October 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'm a shitty linker. But anyway, it was actually quite useful for finding out what happened to all the shitty characters I never cared about anyway after Hal Jordan turned into Parallax (who should be one of the best characters barely used).

Huk-L, Monday, 25 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Best thing about the Floronic Man was his first appearance, if I'm not mixed up about who he was - Jason Woodrue, right? He first shows up on the cover of Atom #1. It's a lovely Gil Kane pic of the Atom struggling in the jaws of a venus fly-trap, Woodrue looming over him saying "If my venus fly-trap can defeat the mighty Atom, nothing can stop me from taking over the world!" My favourite cover ever, for its absurdity, since it was hard to see how a) this thing could threaten anyone over an inch tall, b) why the Atom didn't just grow and especially because the thought of his waving a venus fly-trap at Superman was funny.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/1489/200/1489_2_01.jpg

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Contrasted, of course, with:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2636/200/2636_2_24.jpg

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 October 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, David!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 25 October 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Geez, check out how close Martin was quoting Woodrue's thought balloon. You're an inspiration!

Huk-L, Monday, 25 October 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

THE JLA ARE HELPLESS AS SKINNY SHURBBY GUY MENACES SLIGHTLY BULKIER MOSS GUY WITH A CHAINSAW! STAY TUNED, TRUE BELIEVERS!

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Firestorm (RIP) seems to be cheering Florry on!

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Meanwhile, Wonder Woman took the under on the fight, and lost her Invisible Jet as a result.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Hal Jordan in breast-feeding Zatanna scandal!

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hal should be ashamed that he's leaving Green Arrow sloppy seconds. POTS GNIKCUS S'LAH TAET, ANNATAZ!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, does GA have his shaft in his hand?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

73) John! Byrne's! BABE!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What, the pig?

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 10:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Alas no. A seven foot tall redhead who doesn't speak except when she does and has superstrength. It was, how you say, seminal.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

ISn't that
74) Maxima

(Who fits on this list when she was in the JLI, way to go with rubbish sexist character whose possible only good attribute was being female and trying to get inside Superman's pants. I bet she would be shocked with what she found there.)

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, yes. The early 90s were a time of rub synchronous serendipity.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://thenostalgialeague.com/galleries/csjr8/babe.gif

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That first cover looks awfully like some fourthwall busting is going on. Seven foot tall, strong..Hmm, Byrne has a fixation.

And ginger too. Which would bring in Gen 13. Who I am sure ALL belong on this list if I knew what they were called.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Fairchild, Rainmaker, Grunge, ... Roxy The Gravity Girl (Freefall?) and Mopey Fire Boy (Burnout?)

While we're on it, how about Powerhaus from The Deviants? His power is to leach emotions from other people and convert it into muscle mass. Because, you see, that makes sense. (One reason why I find Warren Ellis so great is because he actually pulled a reasonable character out of that trainwreck.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds like genius. like somebody looked at Dazzler's wanky sound-into-light powers and thought of the most ridiculous I-convert-thing-into-thing power possible while still attempting to be serious.

"I can convert the nose hairs of my enemies into mysterious dreams... IN BATTLE"

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It did make for some great visuals, because emotions run high during a battle so he'd be something like 15 feet tall, smashing people and things around like they were candy.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, they should have had a crossover where he fights Ultron and when he starts getting his ass kicked (cause Ultron is all emotionless and everything, since this isn't lameo "Mark Ultron, weepadroid 2000") he has to start grabbing bystanders and pissing them off or making them sad.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"This UNSTOPPABLE adamantium robot is going to KILL me! I've just got ONE CHANCE! I MUST -- to SAVE THE WORLD -- puree that little boy's PUPPY!"

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"HEY FOUREYES! Yeah, you with the fanny pack! I &@#%ed your MOM last night! Doggie style! Yeah, she took it like a little @&^#$. And then I !*@&ed on her head! Yeah, that's right! What're you gonna do about it, Poindexter?" *shot of Poindexter grimacing like a sad panda* "Yeah! YEAH!" *Superdork grows ginormous, turns to Ultron & his nuclear furnacing mouth*

"OK, Sparky - it's go time!"

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

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The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

XTREME!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, his costume has footies, no wonder he needs the emo-to-whammo transformer.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Look at him all chagrined on the bottom! Like that rubble is the fourth wall and he's just harnessed the readers' incredulity into smashing it so he can just be like "Yeah, I KNOW, I KNOW, but at least I didn't get my powers from mongoose blood."

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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75) DEATH'S HEAD II: Dull, ugly makeover of freelance peacekeeping agent and Transformers/Dr Who spin-off, well beloved by all Marvel UK's twelve readers.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dhminion1.jpg

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

76) Rocket Racer. He skates. Fast! Like a Dark Night Thrasher (ref. # 37) (except both were black characters).

76a) The Big Wheel. HAHAHAAHHA! And in the same issue!

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Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If someone doesn't reboot Defenders w/ Howard the Duck & the Man-Thing & Speedball on the team, & include some of these morts in a respectful way, then I'm gonna do it.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that the "should have been" Secret Defenders run? (a.k.a. "if Man-Thing met Daredevil, would they go out for a sundae?")

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Secret Defenders should never ever have been, in any way shape or form.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

77) http://images.comicbookresources.com/oddball/ghostlytales71-175.jpg

Huk-L, Friday, 29 October 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

URL to the article, Huck? CBR.com is kibboshing any direct IMG linking.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Argh! http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/oddball/

Huk-L, Friday, 29 October 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean ....

77) THE PHANTOM SURFER?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes.

Huk-L, Friday, 29 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
78) Truk

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Tom (Groke), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh, but Truk was just a disguise of the perfectly acceptable chipmunk from space, Dr. Ub'x.

Huk-L, Monday, 7 March 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.norse-man.net/marvel/Char-G/Gossamyr.jpg

79. GOSSAMYR. Crimes: Represents everything awful about the Simonson/Blevins run on New Mutants not already covered by Bird-Boy and the Ani-Mator. Twee fairey-ness drags New Mutants away from Earth for convoluted and irrelevant interstellar espionage plot. Vague "emotion-manipulating" powers, already well covered by Empath in this series, are added to create drama out of nowhere and further degrade the characters by fulfilling Simonson's apparent conviction that teenagers, even ones seasoned by all manner of war, trauma, and loss, have the maturity of six-year-olds.

This website seems to be some kind of RPG character guide and it really makes the case for her inclusion here:

Adult Form: When Gossamyr gets to a certain age, she will transform in to a giant monster capable of ravaging suns. Their stats are left to the Judge’s imagination.

Talents: Gossamyr has no known talents.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I mean, the character design as a whole. I guess Simonson might have rather been writing Elfquest but it doesn't change the fact that she was actually on New Mutants.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like another vote for Bloodwynd, please.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 23 August 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)

THANOS is about 400x better than ADAM WARLOCK you fools

POWER PACK is basically indefensible however.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 August 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Kangaroo -Amazing Spiderman #81

This misunderstood guy keeps getting thrown out of nations for no good reason, but if he could only get the Kangaroo jumping thing down, he might be on to something. I've been reading through the DVD run of Amazing Spider-man and this misunderstood bad guy seemed about the most goofy in the run that I have read so far.

I think the whole idea that Gwen Stacy sired two bastard children of the Green Goblin is really stupid.

earlnash, Friday, 24 August 2007 01:03 (eighteen years ago)


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