The ILC Best of 2004 NOMINATIONS THREAD (Deadline: FEBRUARY 13th, 2005!)

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This is the nominations thread for the ILC Best of 2004 Poll (from the house of second-hand ideas) (and the school of flattering plagiarism) (I heart Tom E).

The methodology is very similar to that of the ILC BEST COMICS ... EVER poll, run by Tommmmmm Eewwwwwwwwing, which was actually eerily reminiscent of the ILM 1990s poll, run by the mighty Stevem.

How the hey does this work?

You nominate up to 4 comics. I compile a list of all the nominations. You then vote on the nominations. The number of votes you get, the scoring system, and the number of comics in the final poll will depend entirely on the number of nominations we get.

What do I mean by 'comics'?

Whatever you want me to mean. A single story - a collection - a storyline or run on an ongoing series - a newspaper strip - an anthology title or story in one - a series in its entirety - you decide, Effendi!

Don't nominate the exact same thing someone else has nominated - an issue or story within an already-nominated run is fine though. You will be allowed a short grace period for nomination changes after the original nominations close but don't clog up the thread with them in case I don't notice.

The only other thing I would ask is that if you're nominating a storyline or run on a serially published comic you specify issue numbers if possible, and that you tell me the writer and artist(s) if you know them/her/him/it.

When's the deadline?

Deadine for nominations is now set (tentatively) for FEBRUARY 13th, 2005. This might be a little early to start, as there are lots of worthy nominees that have yet to see print as TPBs, which will undoubtedly hurt these books' chances, so if you know of anything that might be overlooked, speak now!

But how will I know what came out in 2004?

This thread (ILC Best of 2004 Prep Thread) is a good place to start. Here are some links to other best-of lists & year-end wrap-ups: Time Magazine, Comic Book Galaxy, Web Comics Review (webcomics only), iComics, and Heidi McDonald's The Beat. If anyone else knows of other places to look, feel free to post links.

This post will be updated periodically with important information and sundry bits of hoohah.

NOW ... IMPERIOUS REX SMASH FOR ASGARD!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

Hi Dave - no, you can run this one, I have plenty to be getting on with!

I will be nominating and voting tho.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)

What exactly determines whether a comic is of 2004? Is 'Cerebus' a valid nomination?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

I nominate:

DC: The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke with Dave Stewart (DC)
She-Hulk by Dan Slott and some other guys (Marvel)
Green Arrow #33 by Scott Beatty , Shawn Martinbrough & Mark McKenna (it's a fun fill-in issue where GA finds that his old Arrowcar is up for auction on DCBay) (DC)
the Flash #214 by Geoff Johns, Howard Porter & Livesay (it's the Identity Crisis tie-in where Wally West learns that Barry Allen had ANOTHER secret, and probably the best single Identity Crisis issue, tie-in or otherwise, edging Wally West closer to his new role as the moral conscience of the DCU) (DC)

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

But how will I know what came out in 2004?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

What about stuff that came out in hardcover in years before, but was affordable in paperback this year?

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I'll nominate:

MY FAITH IN FRANKIE (Carey)
FABLES (WILLINGHAM)

And save my other two noms for later. In the meantime, someone please nominate Seaguy, We3 (#1 & 2, I guess), and Astonishing X-Men kthxbye.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

i nominates:

seaguy
marc bell's worn tuff elbow
james sturm's above and below
doonesbury, the bd stuff esp.

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

I read that as "the bad stuff esp." but, duh.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Was the last arc of Morrison's New X-Men in '04?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

1602
X-Statix

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

We3
Daredevil by Bendis & Maleev, whatever issues came out this year
The Pulse
Astonishing X-Men

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

"Dogs and Water" by Anders Nilssen.
"Carnet de Voyage" by Craig Thompson
McSweeney's #13
Also, do the Complete Peanuts reissues count? That'd be my fourth choice...

― ng, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

i say we be crazy cautious on reissues/compendiums etc. or maybe have a seperate cage for em otherwise alot of this'll be fantagraphics catalog redux and/or look like alltime thread chopped and screwed - krazy kat, charlie brown, love and rockets plus more i'm sure this year alone. at the same time it does seem we should give a shoutout to the oldies (love and rockets this year esp.) so i say let us make that old comics born anew cage. make it happen!

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I can get behind that. But when does a comic become old enough to count for that? Some things, like the She-Hulk trade, should be counted as NEW NEW, but, um, say, Complete Peanuts Vol. whatever is NEW OLD NEW or something.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's tough, I'm sure there were some great reissues but I'd love to give shout outs to the NEW NEW that didn't have a shadow of a chance in the all-time poll.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

maybe if most of the material in it is at least or more than six years old? like that worn tuff elbow - apparently good bits of it are old maybe (wolk?), and collection of something onrunning but just now 'complete' seems fair enough to count as 'new' (eg. the jimmy corrigan book which had stuff plent damn old in it, or presumably whatever the optic nerve thing collecting this storyline when it's complete in 2525 or whenever (get to work bitch!)). we'll know it when we see it?

― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

I think the best reason to nominate/vote for a reprint/collection is if there's a strong possibility that 2004 is the first time many readers had been exposed to it. Let's say Watchmen, improbably, hadn't been collected until now -- or the pre-Golden Age Miracleman/Marvelman comics had finally been collected here. Those would make sense in a way that "the 17th printing of The Dark Knight Returns" wouldn't. Presentation can be a factor, too, especially with comic strips (conceivably true for the DC Archives editions, too, but those are so expensive that I doubt enough posters have bought any one of them for it to be a contender).

Like the one I hem and haw over is the single volume collection of Bone. For me, reading it in one volume -- cheap enough that I could afford it much more readily than the other volumes purchased individually -- over the course of a week was a hugely different experience than reading the issues over the course of however many years they'd come out. But I don't know if that's universally true, or relevant enough that it should be in the running.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

All my top choices have already been nominated. I'll nominate:

The Ultimate Carnage arc of Ultimate Spider-Man.

And Oeming's Thor, which ILC hasn't talked about much, so nominating it is an easy way for me to say "go check it out."

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's a really tough call -- like Kevin Huizenga's "Or Else #1" has a story in it that comes from an older, pre-'04 issue of his mini.

If Peanuts gets scratched, my other vote would go to the last issue (#5?) of "Forlorn Funnies." Next to John Pham, it's the best Chris Ware swipe ever.

― ng, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I think the best reason to nominate/vote for a reprint/collection is if there's a strong possibility that 2004 is the first time many readers had been exposed to it.

If it works for y'all, it works for me. Which means Peanuts is most definitely up for dibsies.

I'd do two nominees now, & two later, but I want y'all to pick the two I'd nominate now & force me to spelunk for other worthy candidates.

Effing heck, I totally forgot that James Strum thing came out. "Forgot" = "I need to buy it". DAMN YOU BENDIS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

Love Fights (whatever came out in 2k4)
Q&C (ditto -- aka I'm predictable)(haha would Gent's Game be kosher I'd nominate it but still haven't read it haha)
Ex Machina (is this the one you're sniffing at, Dave?)

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

MY FAITH IN FRANKIE (Carey)

Didn't this come out in 2003? I know the trade was this year.

Anyway, my noms:

Cerebus: The Last Day (yes, I know 3/4 of this was published in 2003, but I'm guessing - judging by sales figures - a significant chunk of people read Cerebus at 'trade only' level)

Mary Jane

Eightball: The Death Ray

Frank Ironwine

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

I think My Faith in Frankie started in January of '04, so just barely.

(Leee, read the Q&C novel, aren't you on winter break now or something?)

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Not anymore! ~*tear*~

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Would it help if I gave you an assignment to write a paper on it?

"Imagery in Multimedia Narratives", perhaps?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Lee is 1 for 1, and I'm REALLY surprised you didn't nominate my 2nd one! (Oh, wait - ng did. Whoopsie.)

I need to see if Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules (written by James Sturm) qualifies as 2K4 compliant - it was first released in 2003, but might've been collected this year. If that's the case, it's going on the list!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, please nominate "Unstable Molecules" if it qualifies. It's sooooo good.

― ng, Thursday, 6 January 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, I'm afraid that's the only way to get me to read anything nowadays.

Dave -- do you mean your #2 is Carnet de Voyage? Esp. compared to that big book he did, it felt a little inconsequential even if it was entertaining.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Carnet beats Blankets into the ground by not taking itself so tremblingly seriously, and having a degree of self-awareness about what a big wet sook the author is being. Plus it's not likely that he'll throw strops if the Comics Journal list it as only one of the top fifteen books of the year, and not one of the top ten.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Leeee is twooo for twooo!

Kit knows where I'm coming from. Yeah, compared to Blankets, it's "inconsequential" - it's a sketch book, for one! But where Blankets was cloying & precious, Carnet was crude & coarse (in a precious way), which I liked. Also, drawrings of foreign places >= drawrings of America (sez the homebody).

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

In that case, I'd like to finish off ahem my nominations with Thompson's Melissa, because drawings of nakked gurls > drawings of foreign places.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

EMO PORFOLIO BOOBIEZ

Is Melissa a portfolio, or a book / story type thing? If it's the former, I'm afraid it might not qualify because of the lack of narrative sequence in its graphics. (Unless you folks think otherwise...?)

Jordan, to answer your NXM question waaaaaaaaaay up there, Morrison's run did end this year. I mean last year. I mean you know what I mean.

I might nominate Identity Crisis just to see how many votes it won't get.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

THE LIST SO FAR:

1602 (Gaiman / Kubert / Isanove)

Above and Below (Sturm)

Astonishing X-Men (Whedon / Cassaday)

Carnet de Voyage (Thompson)

Cerebus: The Last Day (Sim / Gerhard)

Complete Peanuts (Shultz)

Daredevil (Bendis / Maleev)

DC: The New Frontier (Cooke / Stewart)

Dogs and Water (Nilssen)

Doonesbury (Trudeau)

Eightball: The Death Ray (Clowes)

Ex Machina (Vaughn / Harris)

Fables (Willingham / Buckingham & others)

Frank Ironwine (Ellis / McNeil)

Green Arrow #33 (Beatty / Martinbrough / McKenna)

Love Fights (Watson)

Mary Jane (McKeever / Miyazawa / Lee)

McSweeney's #13 (various folks)

My Faith in Frankie (Carey / Liew)

Queen & Country (Rucka / Rolston & Norton & others)

Seaguy (Morrison / Stewart)

She-Hulk (Slott / Bobilo & Pelletier)

The Flash #214 (Johns / Porter / Livesay)

The Pulse (Bendis / Bagley & Anderson)

Thor: Ragnarok (Oeming & Berman / DiVito)

Ultimate Spider Man: Ultimate Carnage (Bendis / Bagley)

We3 (Morrison / Quitely)

Worn Tuff Elbow (Bell)

X-Statix (Milligan / Allred / Bone)

Melissa (Thompson)

Links to info on these things forthcoming. Lemme know if I made any mistakes.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

Yes, folks, "Melissa" is actually THE 27TH LETTER!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Melissa shouldn't be on the list, honestly, since it is a portofolio or whatever a bunch of studies on post-card sized prints are.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 7 January 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to nominate "Birds of Prey" (Simone/Benes) as that's all I can think of...

― Mark C (Markco), Friday, 7 January 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Two more nominations:

In the Shadow of No Towers by Art Spiegelman
Cavalcade of Boys #6 by Tim Fish

Also, a good place to find out what came out in 2004 in alt/ug/art comics land is here: TCJ -Best of 2004.

― RR (restandrec), Friday, 7 January 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to nominate Justice League Classified #1 and Sturgeon White Moss #4, but everything else I liked/read has been chosen.

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

Chuck, do you know where I can get my hands on a copy of Sturgeon White Moss #4? I can't find it anywhere in Chicago....

Wishing I had used one of my nominations on Kramer's Ergot #5 right now. :(

― ng, Friday, 7 January 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

My nomination can be found here. (Also the Identity Crisis remixes and the FAPPO Spiderman strips.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

'04, the year of the bootlegs in comics?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)

It's taking me a long time to say that we now have an "Undie comix" category.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that's in the wrong thread.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

Dan, unless you go and do some photoshopping to that page, it ain't going on zee board. (It is perfect for a revival of that Gerry Conway ILE thread, though, in case anyone feels like incurring the wrath of THE GOOGLER.) (Also, if you do photoshop, Dang, please keep the Herb Tarlek pants.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 January 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)

My nominations:

The Destructovore (Ewing/Traquino) which you can find in the most recent issue of a comic called SOLAR WIND.

Runaways (Vaughan/Somebody) - whichever issues came out this year.

I'll withold other noms until I remember what I read this year.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 8 January 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to change mine, since we have these reprint rules and all that. I had nominated:
We3
Daredevil by Bendis & Maleev, whatever issues came out this year
The Pulse
Astonishing X-Men

I'd like to instead nominate (I'm resisting the Essentials, as they are material that has mostly been fairly available anyway):
Phoenix by Osamu Tezuka
whatever Krazy Kat volumes came out in 2004
Samurai Executioner by Koike & Kojima
We3

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 January 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

*sigh*

I guess I'll pick up Martin's slack and nominate Daredevil and Astonishing X-Men with my other two nominations.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Now I've read Adam Strange #4, the mini has to make my top books of the year.

IN: Adam Strange
OUT: Mary Jane

Anybody want to pick that up as a nomination?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

I be nominating:

Fantastic Four, by Mark Waid and various
In The Shadow Of No Towers by Art Spiegelman
Savage Dragon by Eril Larsen
Whatever Astro City one-shots came out, written by Kurt Busiek

Mind, I'm reserving my number one vote for DC: The New Frontier, but that's already been nominated.

David

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

My nominations:

Tom Strong's Terrific Tales #12 (specifically the Peter Bagge story)
Doom Patrol reprints
Midnight Mass: Here There Be Monsters
Y the last man

(I'm sort of surprised no-one's nominated Sleeper or Powers) (or Y, until now)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

I want a better reason for my nominations getting vetoed than "You have to Photoshop a cock flying into the sun onto them [paraphrase]".

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

The Fagged-Out one isn't from 2004 (it's just an actual Marvel Team-Up page, isn't it?), but the others do make sense.

I'll use my other two nominations on Sleeper and Powers.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Wait, that was the actual page from the comic????? Dear God.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Dan - I just assumed you could read my mind. Yes, the fagged-out page is from Marvel Team-Up #9. The 70s were WILD, man.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

ng, you may be able to grab a copy online from beguiling.com (my local toronto comicbookstore)

― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 13 January 2005 04:34 (twenty years ago)

The 70s fag me out.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 January 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

It's those damn Herb Tarlek pants!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 January 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

My third nomination:

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/nylpm/2004_07_01_nylpm_archive.html#108966793374495585

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 13 January 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

Should I nominate Gotham Central, which I notice has thusfar been absent? I don't know if this year's batch was as balls out great as the last year's.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 14 January 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

Nominate that Marvel Team-Up page Dan tried to get on the list - I'm in a veto kind of mood.

My phear = what I'll nominate isn't really that good. But I can only nominate what I've read and enjoyed (and what they're paying me to pimp), so, Lee, to answer your question - go w/ your gut thing.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 14 January 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

"Unresolved" was pretty good. And the current Catwoman/Josie Mac thing (which is 2005, I guess) is some of the best stuff we've had in GC in a while (though I haven't read the brand new one yet, I've got it, I just didn't get around to reading EVERYTHING last night).

― Huk-L, Friday, 14 January 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

It's got Jason "No not that one" "No, not that one either" Alexander arting!

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to instead nominate (I'm resisting the Essentials, as they are material that has mostly been fairly available anyway):
Phoenix by Osamu Tezuka
Samurai Executioner by Koike & Kojima

Well thats 2 less for me to nominate! Samurai Executioner probaly deserves to win, but heres my 4 anyways:

Hino Horrors 1-14 TPB /hideshi hino
http://www.animecornerstore.com/hihono.html

Buddha THB's /Osamu Tezuka
http://www.bookslut.com/comicbookslut/2004_03_001681.php

Iron Wok Jan 1-10 /Shinji Saiyo http://www.comicsworthreading.com/gn/ironwokjan.html

Icaro TBP 1+2 / Moebius/Tanaguichi
http://www.animefringe.com/magazine/2004/02/review/13.php

― droid, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sluggy.com

Last year wasn't his best year but Pete did some awesomely evil things to Torg right before Christmas.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

First post ever in any of the "i love" forums...

Human Target regular series by Milligan, Pulido & Chiang
Fantastic Four 511 (Hereafter finale) by Waid & Wieringo
The Question by Veitch & Edwards

I don't want to rush my last nomination so I'll keep it for a while, think about things a bit more, etc

― migueltt, Wednesday, 19 January 2005 06:07 (twenty years ago)

Hey! Slack boy here!

These folks have submitted nominations, but (according to my tally) still have votes left:

Chuck Tatum (2)
Dan Perry (1)
David Simpson (1) (someone already nominated Towers)
jel (2)
Leeeee (1)
Mark C (3)
migullet (1) (obviously)
RR (2)
Tom (1)

If I missed your nominations, let me know! After this post, I'll list the nominees to date, and THEN I'll get to editing the first post w/ link info & such stuff.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

~~Boy Howdy~~
Gotham Central

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 21 January 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

OMG I almost forgot about Boy Howdy! I gotta get that in shape for the 2K7 poll!

NOMINEES (as of 05.01.20):
TITLE CREATORS NOMINATOR
1602 (Gaiman / Kubert / Isanove) Jel
A Brief Fumetti Fantasy... (Harvell) Tom
Above and Below (Sturm) Blount
Adam Strange (Diggle / Ferry) aldo_cowpat
Astonishing X-Men (Whedon / Cassaday) Jordan
Astro City one-shots (Busiek / Anderson) David Simpson
Birds of Prey (Simone / Benes et al) Mark C
Buddha (Osamu Tezuka) droid
Carnet de Voyage (Thompson) Ng
Cavalcade of Boys #6 (Tim Fish) RR
Cerebus: The Last Day (Sim / Gerhard) aldo_cowpat
Complete Peanuts (Shultz) Ng
Daredevil (Bendis / Maleev) Jordan
DC: The New Frontier (Cooke / Stewart) Huk-L
Dogs and Water (Nilssen) Ng
Doom Patrol (Morrison / Case) Andrew Farrell
Doonesbury (Trudeau) Blount
Eightball: The Death Ray (Clowes) aldo_cowpat
Ex Machina (Vaughan / Harris) Leeeee
Fables (Willingham / Buckingham et al) Jordan
Fantastic Four (Waid / Wieringo et al/ Kesel et al) David Simpson
Fantastic Four #511 (Waid / Wieringo / Kesel) Migullet
Frank Ironwine (Ellis / McNeil) aldo_cowpat
Gotham Central (Brubaker & Rucka / Lark et al) Leeeee
Green Arrow #33 (Beatty / Martinbrough / McKenna) Huk-L
Hino Horrors (Hideshi Hino) Droid
Human Target (Milligan / Chiang & Pulido) Migullet
Icaro (Moebius / Tanaguichi) Droid
Identity Crisis remixes (some people) Dan Perry
In the Shadows of No Towers (Spiegelman) RR
Iron Wok Jan (Shinji Saiyo) droid
JL Classified #1 (Morrison / McGuiness / Vines) Chuck Tatum
Krazy Kat (George Herriman) Martin Skidmore
Love Fights (Watson) Leeeee
McSweeney's #13 (various folks) Ng
Midnight Mass: Here There Be Monsters (Rozum / Lee) Andrew Farrell
My Faith in Frankie (Carey / Liew) Jordan
Phoenix (Osamu Tezuka) Martin Skidmore
Powers (Bendis / Oeming) Tep
Queen & Country (Rucka / Rolston & Norton & others) Leeeee
Runaways (Vaughan / Alphona & Miyazawa) Tom
Samurai Executioner (Koike / Kojima) Martin Skidmore
Savage Dragon (Larsen) David Simpson
Seaguy (Morrison / Stewart) blount
She-Hulk (Slott / Bobilo & Pelletier) Huk-L
Sleeper (Brubaker / Phillips) Tep
Sluggy Freelance (Peter Abrams) Dan Perry
Spiderman: FAPPO (some other people) Dan Perry
Sturgeon White Moss #4 (V/A) Chuck Tatum
The Destructovore (Ewing / Traquino) Tom
The Flash #214 (Johns / Porter / Livesay) Huk-L
The Question (Vietch / Edwards) Migullet
Thor: Ragnarok (Oeming & Berman / DiVito) Tep
Tom Strong's Terrific Tales #12 (V/A) Andrew Farrell
Ultimate Spider Man: Ultimate Carnage (Bendis / Bagley) Tep
We3 (Morrison / Quitely) Martin Skidmore
Worn Tuff Elbow (Bell) Blount
X-Statix (Milligan / Allred / Bone) Jel
Y: The Last Man (Vaughan / Guerrera) Andrew Farrell

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Is that totally unreadable?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

LOOK ALIVE, SPANKYS! I updated the first post of the thread w/ links to various 2K4 resources, and I set a deadline for nominations!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

Criminy! Sub Bone: One Volume for Gotham Central.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 21 January 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Shit, I completely forgot about Batman: The Order Of The Beasts until I just reminded myself about it in the Eddie Campbell thread.

That goes in, and Eightball has to come out unfortunately.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 27 January 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

Talk sense, man.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 27 January 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Of course I'm serious.

The Batman book was written and drawn by Eddie Campbell, whereas that issue of Eightball just sort of pottered around. Frank Ironwine and Adam Strange are both too good to get dropped.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 27 January 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

I read the Batman book on the original pages, so that the art actually looked good and hadn't been faded and pixillated (and shrunk) by DC's computerised pre-production, and I still say that Eightball is so far ahead that it's ludicrous to even consider bumping. The protagonist may have pottered around, but the story was completely focused. The only comic it should be suffering in comparison to is Eightball #22!

Then again, I consider what else you're keeping... So! I re-nominate Eightball 23, plus Locas while I think of it. And although I've still not seen a copy in any bookshop or comic shop.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Locas isn't eligible - it's just a collection of other stuff that's otherwise available.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 January 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

So're Complete Peanuts and Doom Patrol and Krazy Kat and Phoenix and Samurai Executioner (maybe?) and most of McSweeney's 13. Blount suggested a six-year gap for oldness, and everything in it is 7-24 yrs old...

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 28 January 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but at the start of 2004 I could go into my local comics shop and buy everything from Locas in the existing colections.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but at the start of 2004 I could go into my local comics shop and buy everything from Locas in the existing colections.

Yeah, I opened up a bit of a Pandora's Box w/ this, but I'll stand by my initial decision (which is to go w/ the reasoning Tep offered:

I think the best reason to nominate/vote for a reprint/collection is if there's a strong possibility that 2004 is the first time many readers had been exposed to it. Let's say Watchmen, improbably, hadn't been collected until now -- or the pre-Golden Age Miracleman/Marvelman comics had finally been collected here. Those would make sense in a way that "the 17th printing of The Dark Knight Returns" wouldn't.

Locas seems to be in the same boat as the Bone book, and if the Bone is up for dibs, then so is Locas. Also, Andrew, this is just the nomination stage - if you don't think this is worth a vote because of eligibility issues, then don't vote for it.

Also, what say you folks to fudging things a bit so stories that began last year but didn't finish until this year (cf. We3, GM's JLA:C arc) are considered in their entirety if the lion's share of the story (more than 50% of it) has been nominated AND it's concluding prior to the nomination deadline?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I have no objection to Locas at all, I just thought it wasn't eligible. You're the boss and all.

Will your fudge be retro-active, or even applied to the future? IE will We3 be nominable for 2004 and 2005? Or would it make more sense for it just to be "those issue of (series) that came out in the relevant year"?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

If I were the boss (which I guess I am bwah hah) (BOW DOWN PEEL MY GRAPES etc.), I'd have it so that a series split between two years would only be eligible in the year where the majority of the series was released. (That is: 2 issues of We3 in 2K4 + 1 in 2K5 = poll eligibility only in 2K4, or when the TPB comes out in 2K38.)

So, in conclusion, fudge is retro-active, and may contain almonds.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

So The Question (which I don't think has been nominated yet) isn't eligible?

― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Actually, it has been nominated - I guess, then, in this light, it wouldn't be eligible. Did 2 or 3 issues come out last year?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Oh I see, you filed it under T for The.
I think #3 came out in January.
I probably would have voted for it, since two of my noms actually suck.

― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Dccomics.com confirms The Question #3 shipped Jan. 5.
Must send a message to my future self to vote for/nominate The Question in 2006. Where'd I leave Metron's number?

― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

The nominations are flexible like bungee. Feel free to change @ will (until I tell you to stop). Also, if you're dissatisfied w/ my poll-manning skills, feel free to take it up w/ the Living Tribunal. Or Kronos. Operators are standing by.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Pol Manning! Why bring the Solar Director into this?

― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

BURNED

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

The reissues thing is making it hard for me. I think what I'm going to do is only vote for stuff that I read in 2004, i.e. 2004 comics or collections I personally encountered then. I mean, considered side by side, Locas is several orders of magnitude better than Adam Strange, but Adam Strange gave me more pleasure this year so it gets my vote. Does that make sense?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 January 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Good /= enjoyable

― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Spoken like a Green Lantern Fan!

What about.... (I am just picking holes here) a series which publishes four issues out of nine this year, but next year it gets shortened to six?

Or what I suspect will be a quite pertinent question next year: what about Seven Soldiers of Destiny? (obviously the answer to this is "ask next year")

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Tom on this - Krazy Kat, Samurai Executioner and Phoenix, three of my nominations, all came out with material new to me, and most everyone else I would think, this year. I'm sure most of the KK stuff hadn't been reprinted since the '20s, and as far as I know the other two were new in English. Locas and Palomar are in that same class, but I'd read them before and they have all (I think all) been readily available for years.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, all. But the collecting of those particular stories recontextualises the work for a reader and relative to each other (booo for no Izzy in Locas though) and deserves to be thought of as a new entity (just generally, I'm not arsed if it does get ruled invalid for this poll)

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

I agree, Kit. All I'm saying is that I won't be voting for something that I didn't actually read in '04 even if I know that the actual comics in it are the best on the list.

― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 29 January 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

If I'd read more REALLY GREAT comics last year, I wouldn't have nominated it either, yeah (but then I've only read the first ten L&R paperbacks [plus BIRDLAND {non-expanded edition}] and I'm 1000% sure that if any shop in Sydney had actually sold the book that the new-to-me stuff and otherwise compressed reading experience would have been on my list legitimately [and I probably won't vote for it anyway {I don't think anything new new really rocked my shit last year except Eightball 23 and, to a much larger degree, We3}] (ie I support Tom's voting principles [my own Best Albums Of The Year list for 2004 included releases from 1995-2005 so] but come the fuck on, it's got to be one of the best books of the year so might as well give people a chance to vote for it if they did read it, that's the whole point of nominations) (by the way I have been going to the bookshop at least once a fortnight for the last four? five? months HOPING that Locas would be there and ready to buy...) but then I only nominated anything so that I wouldn't be clogging up the nomination thread with irrelevant arguing!

It was all worth it for the Pol Manning joke though.

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 29 January 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

ELEVEN DAYS, LAND DWELLERS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

ONE MORE WEEK (for me to make my nominations).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

That Pol Manning thing was awesome.

― Huk-L, Monday, 7 February 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

OK, here are 2 nominations:

- Wonder Woman (Rucka / Johnson)
- the issue of Berlin that came out last year (if it did - must factcheck) (Lutes)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking there will actually be a week between the nom deadline & the start of voting, just to see if anyone that has remaining votes left wants to use them.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

My Final Two Nominations (For Now):

- The Perry Bible Fellowship (Nicholas Gurewitch)
- IDENTITY CRISIS OH NO (Meltzer / Morales / Bair)

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, does Perry Bible Fellowship count?? There's my #1 I guess.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't see why it can't!

"A single story - a collection - a storyline or run on an ongoing series - a newspaper strip - an anthology title or story in one - a series in its entirety - you decide, Effendi!"

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

I have votes left, but everything I'd vote for has been mentioned.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I will have all this sorted out by the weekend, folks. Sorry for the deeeeeelay.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Shite! I forgot to cast my ballot, AGAIN. Can I send it t'you, or is that pushing it?

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 18 February 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

SO DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT THIS THING?

(Sorry about this, BTW.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Oh no! I have just announced another poll! I can delete mine if anyone objects to two.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

No no no no! Do yours first!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

That's a great poll idea! I love polls! I'm just shiftless and irresponsible!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

It would be nice to see this one finished first. We have had a decentthinking distance.

― Pete (Pete), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, seeing as this poll (before I waylaid it) is at the voting stage, and Tom will be collecting nominees for a month, I have no problem w/ getting voting started, as long as no one else has any objections w/ this. IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Are you saying we're going to have a poll on whether or not we're going to have a poll?

― Huk-L, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

More like a caucus. Possibly a forum.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

VOTE VOTE VOTE

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Call Chuck Cadman, he's good at tough decisions.

― Huk-L, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

VOTE VOTE VOTE

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

For some reason I was convinced that this poll had actually gotten into the results before breaking down.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

what are the nominees???

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

COMING SOON

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

The ILC Best of 2004 PRE-VOTING THREAD!

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Holy crap.

― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

Which DareDevil arc are we talking here?

― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh and I have the first 6 issues of Ex Machina in cbr if anyone wants to get a taste of this excellentness.

― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

... informed decision and whatnot.

― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Couldya send them to me, Leeeeeeeeeeeee? I'm pj.isaacs AT gmail...

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 5 June 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

YSI link, all zipped up.

― Leeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 5 June 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

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