Why I hate Alex Ross

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― Austin (Austin), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

What the FUCK did he do to Gleek? He totally looks like Bill Gates.

― ng, Monday, 31 January 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey kiddies! Gleek wants to EAT YOUR SOUL!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.dccomics.com/dcdirect/catalog/popup.html?itemCode=gl_ga_plate&itemType=other

― Huk-L, Monday, 31 January 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

See, ng is onto what I'm talking about heeyuh. There is absolutely no point in trying to ake something like Wonder Twins (or Namor, or Galactus, or Superman, or whatever...) look 'realistic.' Because the very fucking concept of these things is so wierd and fantastic, a naturalistic art style actually creates such a bizarre disconnect between form and content that you end up working even HARDER to suspend your disbelief than you would with simple, elegant line drawings a la Ditko or Kirby or even a more sophistimacated but still very self consciously 'drawingesque' style like Steranko or R. Crumb or something.

This idea that Captain Marvel would be so much more credible a creation if Gerhart Richter did the art drives me up the freakin' wall.

― Austin (Austin), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That was the worst sentence anyone has ever written. I deeply apologize.

― Austin (Austin), Monday, 31 January 2005 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

If anything, Ross's stuff makes me hope most of my favourie superfolks NEVER get the live-action film treatment. His Green Lantern, in particular, shows just how unfeasible the costumes are in real life, but REAL LIFE is beside the point!

― Huk-L, Monday, 31 January 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Have we learned nothing from the horrors of Scooby-Doo?!!?

― Austin (Austin), Monday, 31 January 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

Alack, http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazines/wizard/justice1.cfm

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh wow.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

IT WAS ALL A DREAM!
or was it a vision of the future?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

It's a vision of me drenching my eyes in goatse-esque depravity to erase the taint of that link.

"...superman..."

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Is Ross writing this as well?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I believe he's co-plotting, and is the main mastermind. His co-conspirator for this thing (Jim Krueger) is the same guy that aided and abetted his alt-universe shenanigans in the MU (Earth X / Universe X / Malcolm X) - the first few issues I read of those X things were OK, but they beat that horse to a pulp quicker than you can say Infinity War. And, actually, he's painting over the layouts of another artist (Doug Braithwaite, I think).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Alex Ross hates comics.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Let us now entertain G00oglers (and ourselves) w/ approximations of what AR's dialogue would actually sound like! Someone else go first.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Also, Huk, you know that AR was a BIG proponent for Hal J's return to life, right? I read some anecdote where he said something at a con signing (ha - "con") to the effect of "rights are being wronged" *smirk* when GL came up in conversation.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Of course, I bitch about AR in spite of really liking U.S. (the 2-issue Vertigo series he illustrated right after Marvels blew up).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

I know AR lurves HJ, but that's because AR is a ninny. He's also obsessed with erasing Firestorm from the JLA history and replacing him with Captain Marvel. Ninny.

And two years ago, Kingdom Come was the first superhero comic I'd read in at least ten years, and I was blown away by it. But the JLA oversized thing he did really soured me on him.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I hate AR as much as the next ninny, but why are we hating on him now?

― Leeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

I still like Ross's art when the story suits it -- but those stories are rare (and may in fact be limited to Kingdom Come and Marvels, both of which are tours of places where stories have been known to hang out, more than stories proper).

The Earth X stuff, though, pfeuugh. Even downloaded from the internet I couldn't finish it. I tried more than once, because in some small way I get the appeal, I get why people who like it liked it -- but the combination of poorly conceived plots knitted together with Marvel minutiae and arbitrary grim-n-grittiness, and an Alex Ross project with art that looked like some kid tracing Sienkiewicz's New Mutants covers, should have failed bigger than Ishtar.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

We're hating on him because his art takes up too much space, so that no story can get in.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 1 June 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

Are you guys mental? That preview was outstanding, in large part because the art is so visceral.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

"Visceral" is absolutely the last word I'd use to describe it, "the same old furrowed-brow shit" is maybe the first.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 06:09 (twenty years ago)

I initially thought the storyline was it's-nuclear-war and the superheroes-are-trying-to-save-earth, and thought "wow" -- and then i read the preview and it turned out to be the usual supervillain shit.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Tom OTM. And it's not even the ART so much as the story behind it - from the other preview pages I've seen, it's the (spiritual & actual) DEATH of the JUSTICE LEAGUE in the face of TRUE TRAGEDY. Oh the HEROISM and PATHOS. How STOIC and REGAL they seem spitting out FISH COLD DIALOGUE that points out the SERIOUSNESS of this DISASTER.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

ILCers be jaded!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Dan are you reading X Men: The End? - you'd love it!!

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Welcome to comic fandom, Dan! Here's your membership card, your copy of X-Force #1, and some sweatpants.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Tom, you are so cruel.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

It's superhero snuff.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

What - this new AR thing, or X-Men: The End?

A case could probably be made for almost all superhero books being snuff (or, specifically, all superhero fans eagerly anticipating & hoping for snuff). Wertham was right!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

I am not touching X-Men: The End with a ten-foot pole. It is not 1997.

I've always liked Alex Ross's art and I have no vested interest in DC so I haven't been exposed to 8 million variants of "TEH JUSTICE LEAGUE CATCHES TEH DED OH NOES". I probably won't even buy this book. I think it looks great and it is the first thing I've EVER scene that has made me consider buying something JLA-related.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Didn't they all just die a few years ago in The Obisidian Age?

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It's not even the whole "THE JLA THE" thing (that's been played out since the 70's mang) - it's the po-faced seriousness of the enterprise, the general post-Watchmen / DKR "this is REAL and MEANINGFUL SPANDEX motherfucker" tone that's permeated a good number of funny books over the past 20 years. If it's done well (w/ some humor and some self-awareness), yippee, but more often than not the stirring emotions these dramatic situations thrive on ring hollow, and then I'm left w/ this portentous stoic horsesense that plays like a lame BBC-on-PBS drama. And the lantern-jawed "realistic" tones in AR's art only serve to exacerbate the things in these enterprises that make me wanna shoop a weedwacker.

Please note that I like Identity Crisis, which might invalidate my entire stance against po-faced seriousness. In my defense, I'll say that the characterization overcomes any shortcomings in the actual story, and if there's any front that these blockbuster events fail on, it's in making the characters worth-a-damnable. And, if that doesn't work, then I'll poop on you.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Adding to my distaste is my sense that the pages were designed to be on canvas the size of a house.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Please note that I like Identity Crisis, which might invalidate my entire stance against po-faced seriousness.

and any stance against superhero snuff, too.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

No superheroes actually died in Identity Crisis. Well, Firestorm did (ALEX ROSS STRIKES AGAIN!), but that was only so he could come back Black Like Lois.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha - Andrew, when did I actually take a stance AGAINST superhero snuff? I was just saying that superbooks were snuffy. I'm all for a good death story.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

This is deeply unfair but I read maybe three words in Daver's post before it turned into a gigantic "I AM JADED FNARR FNARR FNARR FNARR COMIC BOOKS ENTERTAIN LIKE THIS" melange.

Also, epic art depicting epic events that would look fantastic on a huge canvas is bad... why?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Because they get printed on a page the size of a comic book.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

For beginsies.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Actually, Ross did a series of oversized books with Paul Dini (and maybe, maybe, my scorn should go to Dini, but I can't hold a grudge since, y'know, LOST) that was all about, um, I don't know. I only read the JLA one, and they fought a virus from outerspace or something, and maybe I was disappointed because nobody really punched anyone.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I read a couple those in a B&N once - "War on Crime" "Truth and Justice" and stuff. They weren't the worst thing I've seen, but I still don't think Ross is a good choice for superhero art. It all looks like snapshots to me - really static.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

The combination of photorealism and massive costume action just Does Not Work for me: it's like recording an Unplugged album and then only ever playing it at full volume on arena speakers.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Some costumes it works on, like Superman, Wonder Woman, and Captain Marvel.
Flash and Green Lantern, on the other hand...

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Also, epic art depicting epic events that would look fantastic on a huge canvas is bad... why?

Christ, Dan, when did you turn twelve? All this "someone disagrees with my tastes, it hurts like being assfucked with a chair" shit is why I keep disappearing from ILC. Man the fuck up.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

fite!

― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I didn't realize that everyone on I Love Comics was supposed to have the same taste and never disagree with the hivemind! So sorry, massa Tep, I's nevuh gwine tuh speak out of turn agin.

― The Ghost of Nigger Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Aw guys, don't fite!

I don't think anything Dan said was any more offensive than anything anyone else said. I didn't think we had to state that there's an implied "imo' behind all arguments here!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

No shit! This was, from my end, a friendly conversation until Tep decided it was imperative for him to be an ass.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

If we let this tear us apart, Alex Ross wins!

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

If we let this tear us apart, Rob Liefeld has already won!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

And come one, Dan was just responding to the pages as anyone who doesn't have their head up their jaded-fanboy ass rightly should.
I mean, have you guys seen the art in The OMAC Project? That's some weak-ass, uninspired stuff.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I need to eat more fiber.

― David R. (Via The Poop Chute) (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

God ILC, you really hate comics.

― hpencil (Leee), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

I like Slayer!

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 2 June 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Whatever re the art, the comic just looks super boring, the JLA basically stand round crying while the earth blows up. Dude, I could do that - I don't need to see the JLA doing it too.

"Hey, Green Arrow, try the boxing glove arrow! that will save the entire planet!"

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

"Hey, Green Arrow, try the boxing glove arrow! that will save the entire planet!"

And thus the thread was saved.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

He should have tried THE FINGER

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

What really threw me from that preview is that, as the world collapses around them, Black Canary turns to GA and says, "I love you, Green Arrow."

I mean, she knows his real name. Or maybe she only loves Green Arrow, and not Oliver Queen? OR MAYBE that's Earth-2 and that's Dinah Drake, not Dinah Lance, and she doesn't know that Green Arrow of Earth-1 is Oliver Queen, because I think the Earth-2 GA had brown hair, and she might know that the E-1 Green Lantern isn't Alan Scott, so she might be like, "Goatee boy, I don't know who you are under there, but as the world burns, I hope we have enough time to make me sonic scream, even though I don't have that power like my daughter will."

― Huk-L, Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

let's face it, Ollie is kind of a dick

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

This is meant w/ hugglez and WHERE'S MY CURE CD DANG? luv, FWIW:

If I am going to be (justly) called on my tendency to come off j-j-j-jaded on ILC (even if I'm only talking about me and not The Medium In General), I can't think of anyone better for the job than the dude who often FNAR FNAR FNARs me with his ILM opining. *ba-dum-dum KISH*

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

On page 7, it's all revealed as the opening for the new Ambush Bug comic.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

IF ONLY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

OK, that last post doesn't do anything for anyone. My bad. More trick arrow talk, plz. (Buzzsaw!)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

surely this will all be a dream, right? (which will maybe make the off pacing and everything okay)

― dave k, Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm redoing your Cure CD because I listened to it again and it sucks.

Also, TOUCHE MON FRERE, NEXT TIME YOU WILL NOT BE AS LUCKY, NON?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 June 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Off topic, just a bit - well, ok, a big bit - but thinking about Alex Ross and his work reminded me of my feelings the first time I ever saw painted artwork in comics.
Consider that I grew up reading Marvel, DC, and the UK humour and War and Adventure comics of the 80s. Which were uniformly primary coloured or b&w.
The first painted comic I saw (can't remember what it was, even - Elektra Assassin?) just seemed...wrong. Where were the outlines?
I think even now that colours my perception of certain comic artists. I love strong lines, pen & ink etc.
Alex Ross - his reliance on models always seems to mean that his figures are ridiculously stiff and posed looking. Plus all that careful lighting is irritating. But some of Kingdom Come is beautiful and the tone of his work fits with the Pantheon of the JLA - all that neitzschean awe at these strutting gods...

― David N (David N.), Thursday, 2 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

I believe that Elektra: Assassin is indeed the first painted comics.

None of Kingdom Come is beautiful.

― Leeeeee (Leee), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

I believe that Elektra: Assassin is indeed the first painted comics.

*head explodes*

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 3 June 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)

You didn't let me finish!

― Leeeeee (Leee), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Haha, some of the google img results for "first painted comic"
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/embleton_ron/embleton_wanda2.jpg (nsfw)
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/embleton_ron/embleton_wanda1.jpg (also nsfw)
http://home.att.net/~Captmarvel/Batacryl.jpg
http://www.comic-mint.com/media/client/0123_morboattacks_sml.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

nb i am durnk

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Obviously, there's a part one, as well, but this is where he says ignorant stuff.

I would say there’s value in the idea of Aquaman being the parable of the superhero father, just like Reed Richards is to Marvel. Flash is, in many ways, the parable of the superhero husband. But obviously, you could say that it’s the same of Hawkman or Hawkgirl, but that’s more the parable of the superhero couple.

I don't even know what he means. Does he mean paragon? Do we want someone who doesn't know the difference between paragon and parable as a storyteller?

(I actually suspect that it's the N'rama interviewer who screwed it up, I've seen plenty of oddly transcribed interviews on N'rama)

Regardless, his intense desire to freeze the world circa 1974, coupled with his clout in the industry almost makes him a supervillain, no?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Er... Aquaman? Is Aquaman way more important to the DC universe than first glance would allow?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Well, y'know, half the world is H20.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

70% of the world (and the human body) is water = "we gotta try and make this Atlantis dude teh shit!" [Huk-L!]

Also, how the fark is Aquaman the para-anything of the superhero father? (Ha - BATMAN is The Superhero Dad, if you're a fan of the dysfunctional family.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Noted scientist Lou Reed assures me that half the world is H20.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Noted scientist Chris Martin asserts that birds and Earth travel at the speed of sound, while other planets move at the speed of light.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

On topic of the thread: he done did a cover for a recent TPB collecting Superman / Flash races throughout the years, and OF COURSE his "realism" sucks the fun out of the enterprise (if it's possible for a cover to suck out any fun). "Yes, this is what they would look like running full-speed towards the camera IN REAL LIFE OMG! Bite me Norman Rockwell! Cue Chariots of Fire!"

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

I would totally buy Batman or Superman as archetypal father figures over Aquaman. Aquaman is your gay uncle whom you never get to see because your parents are conservative and disapprove of his "close friend" Lance.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was a Trident, not a Lance.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for ruining my pun, Huk.

― The Ghost of Mr. Pouty-Pants (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I would say there's value in the idea of Superman being the parable of the corny barrel-chested dorkwit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Green Arrow has/had a close friend "Lance" who wears fishnets.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm changing the thread name to "Why I Hate Huk-L" now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Wait for it...

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

...still waiting...

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Ah, shucks. The moment passed. Carry on.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Alex Ross is the Boston (hyperprocessed anthemic bleating, not Beantown) of comics. This is why I loathe him.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 11 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha! I like the band Boston!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

What has he done to Wonder Woman's bazooms? Never mind Batman's face!
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/_gfx_/magazines/toyfare/TF103-cover.jpg

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Never mind Wonder Woman! Why does Superman look like one of the undead?

― Chris F. (servoret), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

That cover is all sorts of wrong. BILL O'REILLY ACTION FIGURE?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

I think we should balance things out with some Greg Horn.

― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 12 January 2006 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Zatanna's bazooms aint big enuff

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 12 January 2006 04:16 (twenty years ago)

Flash has a fishhook in his mouth.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 12 January 2006 05:01 (twenty years ago)

And a seriously old guy's wrinkly neck. However, I really like the Poison Ivy.

― Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Zattana looks like the singer from Texas

Batman looks like he has just smelled a particularly egregious fart

― Mark C (Markco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, WTF is up with Wonder Woman's breasts. It looks like they're attempting to leap off her body.

― Dan (Give Us Free!) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Blimey, Superman looks like a right old queen there. He looks like he's just about to take a sip of tea and deliver some impossibly cutting Wildian put-down.

― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

All Star Sebastian O!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Sharleen Spiteri OTM

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

http://comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=7304

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

What's happened over the last 10 years is I've started to do a lot of experimental things where I'd get these fully finished costumes for my models to wear for some of those oversized books I did like Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. There was a lot of fun to really study and explore the reality of these costumes.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.toymania.com/news/images/0905_palross.jpg

(Actually, this might be one of the only reasons to love Alex Ross. I'm as-yet undecided.)

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

(No, wait: he managed to suck the fun out of Super Grover and make him seem smug and self-serious. DUD, dude.)

― Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 11 May 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, that bit at the end with Waid vs. Ross is great. Ross is a monumental douche!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

He's the only person in the world that still says 'fornicating'.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 14 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

In case you can't see Super Grover.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 14 May 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

is that supposed to quell or fuel my hatred?? i... like muppets. in THAT way.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Monday, 15 May 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

alex ross is a great artist, great transformation's,and detail,
now,in our time and the times to come he is and will live for ever in his art. set aside his values and all the other bullshit you may think of him, you don't like it don't watch it, you must be right up there with (wwf) belive it's real, any way's get a real life all you stupid ass dumb fuck's go fuck you sister's or what not, oh wait your dad did.. it,s how you came out.say what you want of me, like i give a shit. i now have contribute an answer,don't let this scarr you
for life,like your mommy did....

― zillaman, Saturday, 20 May 2006 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

you forgot my brother. and my auntie.

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 20 May 2006 08:59 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, that's just an ILC regular fucking with us, right? We're not gonna end up with "Alex Ross: Name Your Reasons Why He Is So Bad And Hated", are we?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 20 May 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Poor bastard's been Gleekbit.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Saturday, 20 May 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

He certainly now has contribute an answer. We can't take that away from him.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Saturday, 20 May 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Just one thing: See Ross'szzzz Plastic Man and compare it to Baker`s plastic man. The sonofpreacher only could think of plas bending his arm! And he would never, never, paint a glove arrow. Altough he might have painted a "Lance" or two.

― jmdude (jmdude), Saturday, 20 May 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh right i did see ross's plastic man and compared it to baker's
plastic man, ( NOT )..you fuking nerd's who gives a fuck,oh that's right you, you fucking nerds gleekbit,ILC,fuck you nerd's.
and your paint glove arrow shovit up your ass, and for the yet
undecided, "FUCK" on the sesame street painting,it's o.k if youre over the rainbow it,s o.k . your nightmares of the scarry clown's your mommy got you on your birthday will pass,... a little somthing.
last year i was a voluntere in an hospital helping children and kid's that are diying and many that allready have left us. any way,s
a 5yr old boy's wish was to get ross's superheroes painting's before he passed on and one of those was the sesame street painting, well
the little boy held on long enough just to see ross,give him the painting,the little boy wished for. the next day the 5 year old boy
died,doctor's said increadebly he seemed to not suffer and for the,
short time i knew the boy and many other's like him not one,did i ever, hear or talked, about imperfections,in any one' of ross's art.
see,for these kid's there is no imperfections' no comparing,nothin negative,just to see somthing great. eaven if it wasen't real or perfect it was and is still for thousands of kid's dnd adult's alike.. so is ther really a piont in ,talking about painting a glove arrow or a painted lance, how you think it should be really is about,the smalest and most meaningless shit in the world, type and talk about thing's that inspire,and mean somthing great,for every one, any way's i'll problably be back just to anoy the shit out of you again and maybe,i'll play nice...maybe. zillaman out.

― zillaman, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

Did Superboy just punch the Universe again?

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is Alex Ross Jesus? Is that what he's saying?

― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Alex Ross may be a humanitarian and a saint, but I still don't have to like his work.

And the term is "geek", nubsauce.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. Ross may be a hell of a guy but still he lacks the imagination comics need. A kinda imagination that maybe that kid had in him.
Did Superboy punch the Alex Ross?

― jmdude (jmdude), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

If Superboy punched Alex Ross he'd be Bill Sienkewicz.

― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Alex Ross killed a kid with the shittiness of his Grover painting????!!?!?!1/?!?1//

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

x-post now,in our time and the times to come he is and will live for ever in his art.

"When the moon is in the Seventh House
and Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars"

― smells like teen cretin, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Is Daniel Acuna Euro-Ross?
http://www.newsarama.com/general/Acuna/AcunaInt.html

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure some poor guy w/ a terminal case of the crabs is requesting a Michael Dudikoff movie marathon before he shuffles off this mortal coil, but I'll be fucked if that's justification to blindly praise the dude for his contribution to the cinematic arts.

Nice pervy dadhair, though.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Is Daniel Acuna Euro-Ross?

Nah. Personally, I prefer Milo Manara's Infinite Click over Norman Rockwell's Saturday Evening Battle For Green Lantern's Soul.

(No, I don't know what I'm talking about, so shut up.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
Wow, he obviously has the best role names ever.

Gale Force (2002) (V) .... Jared
Ablaze (2001) .... Daniels
Stranded (2001) .... Ed Carpenter
... aka Black Horizon (Canada: English title: DVD title) (USA: DVD title)
... aka On Eagle's Wings
... aka Space Station (USA)
Fugitive Mind (1999) (V) .... Robert Dean
Counter Measures (1999) .... Capt. Jake Fuller
... aka Crash Dive 2 (USA)
The Silencer (1999) .... Quinn Simmons
Ringmaster (1998) .... Rusty
Black Thunder (1998/II) .... Vince
Freedom Strike (1998) .... Tom Dickson
In Her Defense (1998) .... Andrew Garfield
... aka In Self Defense (Canada: English title)
Musketeers Forever (1998) .... D'Artagnan
The Shooter (1997) .... Michael Atherton
... aka Desert Shooter (USA)
Crash Dive (1997) (V) .... James Carter
... aka Crash Dive: The Chase Is On
Soldier Boyz (1997) (VG) .... Toliver
Moving Target (1997) .... Sonny
Strategic Command (1997) .... Dr. Rick Harding
Bounty Hunters (1997) .... Jersey Bellini
Hardball (1997) .... Jersey Bellini
... aka Bounty Hunters 2: Hardball (USA: video title)
... aka Bounty Hunters II
Soldier Boyz (1996) .... Toliver
Cyberjack (1995) .... Nick James
Chain of Command (1994) .... Merrill Ross
"Cobra" (1993) TV Series .... Robert "Scandal" Jackson (1993-1994)
Rescue Me (1993) .... Daniel 'Mac' MacDonald
The Human Shield (1992) .... Doug Matthews
River of Death (1989) .... John Hamilton
Platoon Leader (1988) .... Lt. Jeff Knight
American Ninja 2: The Confrontation (1987) .... Joe Armstrong
Avenging Force (1986) .... Matt Hunter
"North and South, Book II" (1986) (mini) TV Series .... Lt. Rudy Bodford
"Blood, Sweat and Tears" (1986) TV Series .... Sonny McClean
Radioactive Dreams (1985) .... Marlowe Hammer
"Star of the Family" (1982) TV Series .... Douggie Krebs (1982)
The Black Marble (1980) .... Millie's houseboy

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, Warlock senses tingling...masthead???

― Warlock Magazine (Warlock Magazine), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you zillman! You've officially made ILC a G3NUWINE GREOWN UP BORED!!!

― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

WALROCK - you got my e-mail re: the office renovations, yes?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Executive Assistant Scandal Jackson is picking out draperies at this very instant.

― Warlock Magazine (Warlock Magazine), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Mr Warlock, I think Warlock Magazine has found A NEW STAFF WRITER in the courageous Zillman. His e e cummings like prose may make no sense, but it makes a deeper sense than mere sense as any dying five year old could tell you. Offer him the top review job at once if you want your magazine to succeed.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Done and done.

― Warlock Magazine (Warlock Magazine), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

yes i'm back. and i just can't hold on any longer from fucking with,you sorry ass NERD'S..yes i'm punching the universe again because i can, i am zillaman not, the courageous zillaman, just zillaman, but what bring's me back? ahhh, well there are pleanty of reasons why but first, i just want to congratulate you NERDS, for just one time,for being so fucking stupid and well you know i'll say
it again, NERDS.. keep up the god work you make me laugh and that's
one of the reasons for me to come back, and maybe some one could be more intresting than how it's been, with all this shit....
belive me you NERDS, it's cool i think that in the mist of it all
i'm able to make no sense,but it makes a deeper sense than mere sense
as any diying five year old could tell you,, "WOW" vic F, your cummings of deep analizing are of no senseat all. first make up your mind, that's if you have one, then deside if what i said made no sense or if it did make sense,it can't be,(BUT IT MAKES A DEEPER SENSE THAN MERE SENSE IF ANY ....what's up with that? now VIC F,
youre my hero.. and you welcome (kirb). i'm glad that i have officially made ILC a G3NUWINE GREOWN UP BORED!!! this is fun can't hardly wait till the next time (NERDS). ZILLAMAN

― zillaman, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

to DADHAIR.. i think you need to see a doctor about them crabs,and as far as michael dudikoff who the fuck is this guy? at least i know
more about you than i liked to, enough to recomend that you blindly fuck your self,while youre watching this michael dudikoff marathon.
my opinions and the opinions of others, may difer,however my contribution, or any one's contribution is never going to set well with ,CRAB INFESTED FUCK'S LIKE YOU.. as for the cinematic arts well,
truth is i realy dont like some of ross's shit and other's but that's another story......so get started on fucking your self...
ZILLAMAN OUT...

― ZILLAMAN, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

See, this is what I'm saying. It's pure gold. Zillaman, you need an agent and I can get you the big time for only ten per cent. Call me, babe. Ciao.

― Vic_F, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

Too rich.

Okay, which one of you is really Zillaman? Go ahead, fess up. The joke was a good one; now step forward and take credit for it.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Well, b-b-b-but yeah, b-but we're infested with REALLY GREAT CRABS!!

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, now I get it. It's a cypher. Take every third letter of every capitalized word three letters or longer, and you get ... RRRW TKEN ARNY CCNE RRL.

And if you anagram the first line, you get CARR CRT KERR WREN LYNN. So we can hypothesize that he's seen "Sleepless in Seattle" ("Is it Deborah Carr or Kerr?"), he's typing in front of a Cathode Ray Tube, his favorite bird is a wren, and he's got a well in his basement where he keeps kidnapped senators' daughters, all so he can make a skin suit and prance around as "Lynn".

Second paragraph, DUAFC KULT. (KULT! A - HA!)

Anagrammed, we get FAD CULT UK, ADULT F*CK, DUAL FTC UK, LAUD FTC UK, AULD FTC UK, FLAT CUD UK, FAULT DUCK, AT DUCK FLU. I'd opt for the second, since the f-bomb seems to be his word of choice, and he's vainly hoping for the eventual transition from comic board troll to maladjusted adult.

So, what have we learned here? How necessary Strunk & White are to every adolescent writer? How to repeatedly mistake plurals for possessives? How NERDS as a disparagement was better when Ogre said it? Nay, tolerance, my friend. That's the lesson of today. How opinions can be different, and yet respected.

A DERIDER FUNNY OIL MR SPY

― smells like teen cretin, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

zillaman, perhaps you'd like to ask us who our favorite artists are and then deride them as hacks?

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

OH NOES MY SHAMEFULL LIKING OF TUSKA/COLLETTA WILL FIND ME OUT!!1!

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

> ask us who our favorite artists are and then deride them as hacks

Shut up ! I no for a fact that robt Liefield saved a 5 yrr old kids' life by drawinga picture of rouge in her swimsuit going grrrr with all her gums showing you nerd's

― Mark Co (Markco), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

DON HECK CURED MY SISTER'S LEUKAEMIA

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

BUT GAVE HER AN OVERBITE SOMETHING AWFULL

― The Jazz Guide to Penguins on Compact Disc (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

ROGER CRUZ CURED MY MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER

no he didn't

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.matthewbarr.co.uk/muppets/images/fozzie.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Frazetta's lesser-known paintings of puppies and kittens have made many a five-year old weep for joy, by Crom.

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

guess who? that's right zillaman here just need to let you know that
while i was thinking of of the people i insulted, i will not make any apologies, how ever i know this is, the why we hate alex ross page and some how i punched and said some nasty stuff, i do have coment's on ross,live models that he uses. why oh why do they alway's seem constipated? but before we get to yhis. one last gotta get you to (LOGGEDOU) yes you you sick shit.sypher, maladjusted adult,skin suit's and prance as 'LYNN' key word and most fucked sleepless in seattle.well you can call me lynn ,candy ,clara,emma,maggie ,julie,tia,.do your parent's know you?
or are they in the well in your basement? do you eat people and if so, what tasted better your dad's penus or you fat ass mother's ass?
please don't stop now,there is alway's the neighbor's and the cute family dog/cat. try not to hypothesize on this, as orge said ,
nay "NERD" YOU SICK SHIT... please do youreself a favor and don't wake up tomorrow,for the world has enough sick fuck's and you are one truly sick twisted nasty fucked up "NERD"...
O.K NOW BACK TO THE LIVE MODEL'S ANY ONE?

― zillaman, Friday, 26 May 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

realy hard to type while enjoying some good home made tacos.i wish i had enough for every one. well now some real talk, i realize that i don't have nice thing's to say at time's but it's all in the past.
alex ross, does his creations have to be mostly,people that are in their, how do you say golden year's, almost as if he's reminded of what image inspired him like maybe his dad playing with him when he was a child and the dad dressed up in retro 60's costume's of superheroe's and just coulden't let go of that image,and as he got older to have found the way and replicated. well i still think that,he's far,far away from the conceptual imagination of a real comic book artist,. it's still some time's fun to watch him do his thing yet not so fun when he's praised, by the heavy weight two faced
media... well time to come forward and let you know i never worked at a hospital and there was never a sick little boy,who's diying wish was A.R. painting's i think though if there was one he problably
would have picked the uncany x-men eaven some classic MAD commic's.
so as i said i would play nice and nice it is........zillaman out

― zillaman, Friday, 26 May 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

zillaman you break my heart.

― c(''c) (Leee), Saturday, 27 May 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, zillapaws!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 27 May 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

at this piont i'm just glad to get a respond, i was a jerk, and have no exuse for insulting anybody, for what ever the reason was.
but the last thing i need is to be responsible for braking any heart's. "KIRB" you will get over it,, and thank's "PERPETUA" your
,,,,,, well thank's.
enough of tender moment's let's talk about how we don't like ross,
and i for one don't. i think he need's to show somthing different for a change instead of super old people, looking like they need an,
enema,

― zillaman, Sunday, 28 May 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

One of us....

― Pete (Pete), Sunday, 28 May 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

Such as super old people GETTING an enema.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Sunday, 28 May 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=697&page=2

Am I getting sappy in my old years, or is Alex Ross getting kind of okay lately? I mean, that's not a bad picture.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 November 2008 21:46 (seventeen years ago)

I must admit, there does seem to be some actual motion and liveliness in those pages. Perhaps drawing instead of painting is a good move for him.

― There is no Grodd but Mallah and Congorilla is His Prophet. (Oilyrags), Saturday, 8 November 2008 22:53 (seventeen years ago)

He's always been much better drawn than painted (based on the odd sketch and his Sandman Mystery Theatre chapter).

― you made my mum eat Pick Only One (sic), Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

I'm admittedly a general fan of Ross' work, but I do think his stuff has improved a bit recently - I thought his work going over Doug Braithwaite's pencils in Justice was better than most of the comics he's done.

― Nhex, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:46 (seventeen years ago)

That picture's pretty good, yeah. I always think Ross gets a bit of a harder time than he deserves. He's an evidently talented artist who happens to make very foolish aesthetic choices, generally. He's not Rob fucking Liefeld, though.

― chap, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:53 (seventeen years ago)

By the way:

looking like they need an,
enema,

― chap, Sunday, 9 November 2008 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

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