Rate Daydream Nation out of ten

I really couldn't ask anything more of an album.

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The rest I haven't heard enough to say.

what is your favorite MUSIC ALBUM?

Anyone else notice that as SY becomes more and more alt, their side projects (and supporting acts) get n0isier and n0isier?

CHILL IAN ZIERING

IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE. BUT ITS PRETTY SOLID.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/43525-daydream-nation-deluxe-edition

This reissue does what reissues have to do these days, raising the volume to compete with all the over-compressed new stuff on your mp3 player. Someone's clearly taken care with the process, making sure not to spoil the wide dynamics of this music, but this kind of re-master isn't the best fit for the open-room feel of the original: I'd be lying if I said the crystalline brambles of guitar in these songs didn't suffer a little from being flattened out like this. (Steve Shelley's busy, subtle drumming gets a particularly raw deal.) Mild audiophiles-- or anyone attached to the feel of the original CD and LP issues-- might want to spring for the vinyl re-release.

I think mentioning mp3 in the line about compression here was a little bit of a poor choice.... confusing.

TEH CRYSTALLINE BRAMBLES OF GUITAR

sir, YOU DO NOT MEAN CRYSTALINE!

ive never listened to the actual album trackson any of the remasters, but i buy that argument...will vinyl delux ddn be better, though?

im amazed this thread doesnt feature me defending nyc ghosts and flowers..

the only sonic youth record i kept is bad moon rising. i like the sound of that record. i wouldn't mind getting the first ep on record format maybe. i still own the coachmen record, too.

this album is ok, I need to listen to it again to figure out if I really like it or not

Its ok

curtis leonardo me strawberry switchblade plz

i own three SWA albums.

i think strawberry switchblade have a website where you can hear a lot of their old songs?

aha :D

lolgoth

i totally forgot rating all the albums above, but i am totally still agreeing with myself. sonic youths was my favorites band in highschool.

i want washing machine on vinyl.
was it released on vinyl? is the diamond sea the entirety of side d?

oh, dere's a bunch on popsike for around $40. i has never seen one, i don't think. wanttt.

ebay shops for $65! bonkers.

whoa!..ive seen them about.

i feel like that's the kind of record i would find at eat.

do you guys like the live skull records with thalia zedek? i know dan does. sonic youth never made an album with anywhere near the depth of positraction.

wait, i have washing machine on vinyl.

and I think Daydream is pretty awesome, but the sequencing is weird? like to have "The Sprawl" and "Cross The Breeze" so close together, and they're both like 8 minute Kim songs, is kind of weird

JW all I have is "Since Yesterday" and a few mp3s I got off Hype Machine :/ I need to order album

I have 'Washing Machine' on vinyl. On the gatefold, the pictures are big enough that you can make out a few of the spines from the pic of Thurston's record collection. YOu can make out an Andrea Centazzo box set, couple other things..

< / record nerd >

Curtis SS.net has some stuff but nothing as glossy as "Since Yesterday"

Ian, should I get the Cluster record @ academy? I think yes. Is it still there?

These days I prefer Sister and play their last two a hell of a lot, but I'll say an eight.

sister otm

i'm listening to sister

love P C H

9

for me, they got too corny. i mean, ok, doing this "scary" shit as a stoopid outgrowth of no wave - they were a pretty decent post-no wave band. but by the time they're on sst, it's like, "what you're going to make a career out of this shit?"

daydream nation was the last good album they did (that i heard).

is washing machine any good? serious answers please.

it was my first sy album, so yes

the guitar is pleasant. Anyone have the radio version of the diamond sea?

I remember that the guitar on the diamond sea was CRAZY to me

the '90s sucked

The 90s set me back 10 years in several ways.

I'm pretty sure I've got the radio edit of the Diamond Sea. But I'm at work right now.
I also have their cover of Ca Plane pour Moi (which I kind of love).

thx Jon!

btw c@tw0n used to dress like strawberry switchblade

washing machine is great! 'unwind' is an unheralded piece of beauty.

awesome!

Check Leonardo in a few, I'll be uploading Rose McDowall's solo album Cut With The Cake Knife

washing machine is great. its no bad moon rising. it was made by a band with different interests.

i have a different really long mix of diamond sea..but not radio...after a long and inevitably useless discussion it was decided to play the diamond sea on repeat when a friend and i took salvia. my gf at the time insisted it wouldnt matter. she was right. diamond sea on salvia: not better. doesnt even exist.

Noise dude nonsense.
-- Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Friday, October 22, 2004 12:04 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

This zing is funny because Daydream Nation is one of my favorite albums ever.

(And yeah, Jon, I have the radio edit of "Diamond Sea" at home, too.)

i have the diamond sea CD single that i got at a fucking outlet mall in wrentham, MA when i was approximately 13. it has the radio edit and the edit with the extra 5 minutes or so of feeedback.

washing machine IS a really good album. a few tracks aside. it's got saucerlike! and the title track, which is great even though kim moans the fuck too much all over it. and it's got unwind. and the unlisted bonus track. and the diamond sea. and it's got skip tracer, which i really really really loved as a young teen. i might find the beat poetry aspects of it kind of annoying now though.

DN = 10

I havent played WM in years.

people complaining about production on Washing Machine = FUCK YOU

who engineered it?

recorded by jon siket & SY

lee's songs on Washing Machine are especially good. the only song that really stands out as not good is Junkie's Blues.

I seem to recall people complaining that WM sounded commercial (grunge).

probably because of the timing of the record, it came out right after they headlined Lollapalooza

goo made me so sad :( that was first sy album i bought on cd. i tried so very hard to like it. trying to dig kool thing is such a sad memory. last album i bought. my brother kept at it though. he was true 4ever. so, you know, i'm one of THOSE people. and we are annoying, so i'll shut up. (i was so sad when marnie didn't sing on live skull albums anymore. true fan 4ever. i did become the world's biggest come fan though. so i got thalia love up the butt.)

dirty was the grunge-marketed one.

9.5

I still have my Washing Machine shirt (size XL).

chubstock

dirty & goo are pretty bad records. washing machine is much much much better.

oh wait DIRTY!

i also have a pretty big kim problem when it comes to the later stuff. a problem i never had in the 80's. and a problem with all those later songs that remind me of the intro to smashing pumpkins' 1979.

A Thousand Leaves shows their sprawl at its best. The short songs on Washing Machiine are shit; that always sounded like a transitional album to me.

the very worst one i heard and led me to give up on them was experimental jet set. the single was good (not great) but the rest was phoned-in. horrid.

experimental is very very bad. i need to give a thousand leaves another listen soon.

I liked Goo but Dirty was the first time I thought they got boring. and then Experimental Jet Set was really bad, that was the one that made me sad. Which is why Washing Machine was so great! It really felt like they were "back" after a couple of cruddy albums.

A Thousand Leaves is fucking great

I think Experimental Jet Set is great! It was my first SY album, but even now I think they're doing something really interesting on it. Lots of weirdly pretty, quiet moments, like "Winner's Blues" and "Skink."

jaymc OTM. Jet Set is unique from all their other albums in a good way, compared to say NYC Ghosts, which I think is just weak sauce all around.

is that a lowercase or uppercase zero?

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i know some of the records are great, but I can't listen past half of Goo.

after goo i pretty much stopped listening completely. even the old stuff. and they completely owned my ass up to and including day dream nation. i kilt mi idylls.

i like a thousand leaves, sonic nurse, even rather ripped grew on me and i hated that one at first. murray street and nyc ghosts both suck now and 4eva

A Thousand Leaves was incredibly bad, but not as bad as the utter bore that was, I think, Murray Street when I checked that one out of the library once.

And yes, freaking Experimental Jet Set etc. is a bad album.

R.E.M. did the whole bigtime, popular college dropout post-indie rock band getting older and still making albums thing so much better.

Exactly! except they sucked after document. 1987/88 was the cut-off for both bands. chuck d -vs- krs 1.

No, they've always been good-to-great if you can ignore whatever you don't like much in Michael Stipe's deal. They've always had this real grandiosity.

It's like I heard Green Day singing "Working Class Hero" on the radio today. There are things I don't like about John Lennon but I can't deny his grandiosity.

NYC Ghosts & Flowers people

easily the most awkward worst

they will never beat the holy trinity of Evol, Sister and DD...but i like almost all of their records in fits and starts. even on the mediocre ones there's usually at least two really good songs per disc.

and i really, really like the last 3 albums.

r.e.m. is some str8 garbage and if you can't admit it then you are lying to yourself and god

right, while sonic youth are so scary

dude, stop with the "scary" shit, I don't think that's even applicable past Evol. I fuck with REM as late as Up, which is more than a lot of people, but god, those last couple albums...but I'm good with most recent SY...Murray Street (=yoga flame) > Sonic Nurse > A Thousand Leaves > Rather Ripped >>>>> NYC Ghosts

latebloomer OTM

the very worst one i heard and led me to give up on them was experimental jet set. the single was good (not great) but the rest was phoned-in. horrid.

-- Steve Shasta, Friday, June 15, 2007 6:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

experimental is very very bad. i need to give a thousand leaves another listen soon.

-- Mr. Que, Friday, June 15, 2007 6:12 PM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Link

nononono! ejstns is not about the whole bigtime, popular college dropout post-indie rock band getting older and still making albums thing. it's really fucking fantastic! so loose. and those kim tracks! and everyone's tracks really. so energetic and open, not closed (?) like a thousand leaves or nyc ghosts and flowers sound to me. terrible production. i dunno, it just sums up sy so perfectly for me these days.

DDN: 10

MY FAVORITE SONIC YOUTH SONG RIGHT NOW THOUGH IS SYMPATHY FOR THE STRAWBERRY GNIGHT

srsly no one can give the berd to experimental jet set until they hear 'androgynous mind,' 'quest for the cup,' 'tokyo eye' or 'sweet shine' in a str8 set.

1. the diamond sea / becuz
2. sympathy for the strawberry
3. i dreamed i dreamed
4. the sprawl
5. eric's trip
6. death valley 69
7. mote
8. tokyo eye
9. karen koltrane
10. pacific coast highway

what is the point of a teenage riot if it gets you OUT of bed??!!

i will forever be furious with myself for fucking up my completely awesome Goo t-shirt that is seventeen years old, it is now unwearable due to various rips and vomit and blood stains :(

i guess i could probably replace it if I wanted to but it wouldnt be the same without that charming brownness that really old white shirts get

R.E.M. did the whole bigtime, popular college dropout post-indie rock band getting older and still making albums thing so much better

Except that Sonic Nurse and Rather Ripped are the kinds of albums R.E.M. should be making in their autumnal years, and can't.

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What is the great appeal of those albums, Alfred? I've heard a couple of tracks - one from Sonic Nurse that just sounded like some Pavement song and then "Incinerate" on the radio, which just sounded like yet another OK Sonic Youth song. Sounded like treading water.

R.E.M. are a weird case but I stand by my assessment that they've always had a grandiosity far beyond Sonic Youth's and it's still amazing to me that people couldn't feel how much heart there was in the last album.

They're a weird case because, stylistically, they've just been floundering about for a long time. But who fucking cares? I suspect you just want them to be a little guitar band and everything would be alright, Alfred, and I growl in your general direction.

should be making in their autumnal years, and can't.

The "can't" is particularly galling. Sonic Youth CAN'T make albums with as much passion and heart as R.E.M.

it's like if someone said, no, really, the last three robyn hitchcock albums were really good! i mean, who cares? it's time to get on with life. i swear i'd rather listen to a new U2 album than any album by rem or sonic youth or whoever. not that i would, but if i had to choose...i'll bet the guitars sound better on a new U2 album than they do on a new sonic youth album. they've got that shit locked down. and they've still got pep!

matter of choice. for me, r.e.m.'s always had way more emotional depth than robyn hitchcock. or u2.

and they've still got pep!

yeah, but it's time to get on with life.

well, exactly.

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The cover of "#9 Dream" they just put out is kind of crap, actually. Still, I'd rather hear R.E.M. do a cover of "#9 Dream" than some Sonic Youth song that sounds like PAVEMENT or whatever.

get a room (u mad)

robble

They're a weird case because, stylistically, they've just been floundering about for a long time. But who fucking cares? I suspect you just want them to be a little guitar band and everything would be alright, Alfred, and I growl in your general direction.

We are still talking about R.E.M., right?

Yeah. Haven't you argued that they were best when Bill Berry was still in the band? What did you mean by the comment about those Sonic Youth albums being like what R.E.M. should be doing but can't?

REM have sucked since '93.
Sonic Youth have mostly sucked since '95.

ayo gtfo rockcrit fagmos

who rae you?

the preceding discussion regarding the relative merits of records like a thousand leaves and the rest was so much more palatable to boring 23 year olds like yourself, i'm sure - lol.

I was arguing that SY's middle-age has thus far proven to be an exceptionally fruitful one, but then you'll argue that Around the Sun is the bee's knees, which will force me to say the hell with it and love you anyway.

lol u a shook-ass little bitch (pronounced "lel betch")

ps. 21

URRR BRAMBLEZ OF GUITAR URRRRRRR STIPE URRRR

i have never heard this album.

ayo gtfo rockcrit fagmos

qft

srsly

tim loves the new stooges album lol pwned

amon you like t. rex so get a room:

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actually i don't "love" the new stooges record. it's fucked up and extremely ornery. but people who can't see that some of those songs just ZOOM are not alive.

but, rather, dead.

RIP

and i didn't buy the COMPACT DISC or anything i just listened to the songs on the internets a couple of times.

amon you buy compact discs lol pwnd

a couple of those songs like "the weirdness" have real soul too. that album was moving but if you don't know music you probably won't get it - i'm sorry.

ok i'm done now.

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you seem like a nice guy

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wtf is going on here?!!?!?

sonic youth just brings out the lameness in people

JAW ON THE FLOOR: Starbucks to Release Sonic Youth Celebrity Compilation (WTF)

oh am i one of the lame ones in your opinion?

DN: 9.5

yer no lamer than me, tim. wait, yes you are. hahahahaha! just kidding. not! hahahahaha! yer just crazy. but, no, i'm lamer cuz i don't even really care. i was just bored. i really did love that band though. they were great!

8.4

Last time I saw them live (w/ lightning bolt and black dice) they slew!!!! White Cross w. 3 man lighning bolt incarnation rolling off into epic moment of realization that lightning bolt was "arriving" finally.

hey tim ellison, i should start callin u mcgwire cuz u the biggest mark i ever seen!!!!!

: O

I'll be your friend, cankles, but you have to be good to me.

o i forgot to rate ddn: 0.25

hey tim ellison, i should start callin u mcgwire cuz u the biggest mark i ever seen!!!!!

-- cankles, Sunday, June 17, 2007 8:36 AM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Linkp

lol i crack myself up on the real

5 hours.

ban jaymc

that stooges album is good!

"cankles" - eat dogshit.

you are actually a little weasel right?

tired of fucking weaselly twenty-somethings. oh i'm so full of ennui cuz i grew up in the nineties! you all deserve a fucking smack.

and sixty-somethings too like ROBERT CHRISTGAU

most noize post of the day was me quoting memphis goon lyrics so shut the fuck up

jesus christ que, what a great pic you posted upthread (the resizing even improves it)

looking half warhol / half crepey librarian dere

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PROVIDENCE PHOENIX LIST OF BEST "POST PUNK" ALBUMS IS DISAPPOINTING!!!! OMG

kinda wish i got a ticket for DN at mccarr3n :/

From out of nowhere, I got tix for Thursday night.