THE MISTS OF AVALON

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/pcl/roundup/mistsofavalon.jpg
i looks....i dunno!

oh man that book

read it y/n?

I am thinking about repurchasing this:

http://www.gotterdammerung.org/books/robert-heinlein/job-a-comedy-of-justice.jpg

I read it like 14 years ago and after re-reading about eight chapters last week while traveling (loaner copy I had to give back) I would probably have to agree with all the other schmoes who say it's the best Heinlein ever wrote

this is my way of avoiding saying whatever you started this thread about looks mad lame and gay etc

I mean wtf, a swan? ugh

well i think it is a feminist re-imagining of the arthur legend so i expect some serious....something

i just need a new book, one that doesn't make me "think"

something tells me that ned has read The Mists Of Avalon

haha don't go get any walker percy
for not having to think, I actually found koontz' "Watchers" to be completely enjoyable crap pulp, if you haven't read it
bit of a touchstone for nerditarians too, I discovered

I had a good time in college picking up a bunch of blaxploit pulp reprints. sadly I have no recollection of the titles or authors but at one point I remember an oreo character somehow getting ahold of a bunch of military ordinance after experiencing a violent, Godfatheresque transition from Uncle Tom CPA to slumlord pimp, and using said artillery to put away a rival gang, or something. edited by harlan ellison. pretty sweet.

also this was the first time I realized the "CIA imported drugs to American ghettos to keep us down" meme actually originated in the sixties, since it was mentioned in one of the books

I figured it was some tinfoil hat post-vietnam shit

i reread http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/imageDB.cgi?isbn=9780833531797 two days ago for the first time since 1993.

i once read three tom clancy books in a row. i was 14, and became rabidly patriotic afterward.

remy why are all of your stories sad

i'm gonna try to read it, if anyone comes up with a better novel for me, let me know

xoxo

i quit after jack ryan became president

lol mists of avalon is the favorite book ever for that chick in high school who had a pentagram necklace and "cast spells" on people and loved horses and used to write fantasy novels during class

I love how you say "that chick" as if there weren't at least a dozen of them (who all refused to acknowledge each others' existence)

lol, i was wrong about ned
All those sword & sorcery trilogies - do any ov them 'ave any literary merit whatsoever?¿?¿?¿

i love how you say "that chick" as if that wasn't you

I love how you say "that chick" as if there weren't at least a dozen of them (who all refused to acknowledge each others' existence)

-- El Tomboto

they don't need to talk, they share the same dreams

& unicorn dildo

the dude who loved this book was the black-fingernailed goth kid who died his hair red but it faded to pink and he said he was bisexual (and actually his favorite book was one of the sandman comics)

i read a lot of hammett and chandler in high school and used to wear an army helmet i found at a flea market.

i dont know which was worse :-/

i feel really implicated, max

except i only thought sandman was 'okay' and i was in college

haha i wont lie for about a year between 8th grade and 9th grade i wished i was cool enough to dye my hair and claim bisexuality and i really loved sandman but i was too fat.

not even cool enough to be a goth! middle school was a bad time for me.

my mom also read Mists of Avalon.
I saw the last half hour of a made-for-tv version in which the title was indeed realized.
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~jchance/beardsley_small.jpg
GO FOR IT

other medieval redux fave of Mom:
http://store.vesterheim.org/images/0002.jpg
(can't find awesome 70s edition jpg)

tinfoil hat post-vietnam shit

lol, best genre ever

bell, I read that in HS. It's GRIPPING and DRAMATIC and full of BETRAYAL and LUST. In other words the writing is fairly abysmal but it's a great story. Enjoy!

We are The Our Moms Read Mists of Avalon generation.

TOMBOT OTMBOT re: Job: A Comedy of Justice, although I personally like the short story collection The Present Through Tomorrow almost as well.

This book is in my bathroom.

lol mists of avalon is the favorite book ever for that chick in high school who had a pentagram necklace and "cast spells" on people

aka my college girlfriend. she was a wiccan. i tried to read the book on her recommendation but the writing stopped me within 40 pages. (which is 20 pages farther than i made it into one of those anne rice witch books that she also recommended.)

my boyfriend's roommate (female) has this stashed in the bathroom, total o_0!??? emotion

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rsFLLZZhL._SS500_.jpg

ugh, now i remember how my weirdo androgynous faery artsy goth b/f in highschool lent me some poppy z brite novel, oh god that shit was awful :(

college gf and i both tried to read sleeping beauty. turned out neither of us was that into longwinded descriptions of torture mechanisms. i thought there would be more sex.

You have to skip between the spankings and domination scenes to get to the sex.

You can't fuck with J.O.B. I also am a huge fan of Starship Troopers and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

Marion Zimmer Bradley was a much better editor than writer, IMO.

this thread.... is odd. some people may be... revealing... a little too much.

Whenever I saw the cover of this book I wanted to shout at the woman THAT'S NOT HOW YOU HOLD A SWORD, RETARD.

It is if you're magickal.

DEAR IAN,

LUV U, BOO

i wasn't ONLY talking about you, laurel.

Just doing my part.

Krista : lol. some dude buyed me Sword of Truth series, by Terry Goodkind
Krista : for FLIRTING PURPOSES

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth

but the writing stopped me within 40 pages

i don't think this will stop me, i just finished the "song of ice and fire" series!!!

Oh yeah, I kind of fell behind on those. Also I have someone's copies of a couple of them -- Ian, are you missing any hardcovers?

i didn't think the series was complete --??

no! it's not! WHICH IS WHY I MUST NOW READ INFERIOR FANTASY NOVELS to fill the void

wheeel! of! TIIIIME!

lol j/k

bell, I can offer you NOT inferior fantasy novels if you like. Not until next week, tho -- my books are packed already.

the rats of NIMH
A WRINKLE IN TIME
BRIDGE TO TERABITHIA

we had to read all these in a fifth-grade reading class. the teacher was universally despised. in fact, i think thats pretty much all we read. i never really got the fantasy-geek connection till now.

i really dont understand the appeal of these kinds of books at all.

Whatever, jaymc.

bridge to terabithia isn't really fantasy

it involves kids pretending talking trees & goblins & shit are real, i think that qualifies as fantasy

I think you qualify as why are you even on the fantasy thread then, you hater?

^ could be said about daddy's thread!

We all have our pet crusades, Jon. Yours is liberal arts majors, mine is a bar in Brooklyn. Good luck boycotting all of us!

JON, GET OVER IT.

also, don't read wheel of time.
and no, laurel, i am not missing any of my Martin books.. if Vic still wants to read 'em, I can try to get my copy of the first one back from Caleb, since I don' think he's ever gonna read it.

Bell Labs needs to read LORD OF THE RINGS.

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jon doesn't even LIKE daddy's! he always complains about not getting buybacks

hm, lord of the rings, maaaaaybe. but i already know what happens!

you know what was unreadable was the silmariliiliirmermiomarion and that other collection of prev-unpub tolkein dross

I will never be able to hear the name "tom bombadil" and not get a case of the cognitive willies

which is worse, Raymond E Feist or Terry Brooks?

(never got into Brooks, loved the first three/four Feist books as a youth.)

also, i have so many dragonlance novels in my closet at my mom's house that NEED A GOOD HOME.

Quit being such a captain save a ho, ian?

if I was in the mood for fantasy that didn't involve pressing a button to select "Fight" I would probably re-read all the CS Lewis and Lewis Carroll stuff

I had an annotated edition of Through The Looking Glass that was awesome, they even discussed how looking glass milk would actually be poisonous, assuming the actual milk molecule was flip-flopped

I think first you have to stop being a ho, jon

Was I talking to you?

butthurtzzzz

I will never be able to hear the name "tom bombadil" and not get a case of the cognitive willies

-- El Tomboto

so true for me too, i hate him.

Tom Bombadil is one of the most loathesome creations in literary history.

I am halfoway through book 10 in my epic reread of the Wheel of Time series! It's amazing how reading the whole thing at once makes the pacing of the latter books make more sense (tho I do wonder why he needs to spend 500 pages talking about how Elayne is picking out dresses or having the sex of her baby determined or sitting in a bath or etc etc etc).

otm re: Tom Bombadil

i gave up around book eight i think.
the first three or four are great! if the series has wrapped up with LORD OF CHAOS it would have been a totally recommendable thing for people to get into. but at this point it's like recommending they watch every episode the smurfs in order.

The worst thing about that series is that I started reading it 15 years ago and never finished!

The Wheel of Time in the sky keeps on turning

never finished:
Lord of the Rings
Dark is Rising series
Prydain Chronicles
Narnia series
Wrinkle in Time series
Elric series

Earthsea books neither

Narnia got pretty tedious about 3 in.

I liked the Chronicles of Prydain series a lot!

Prydian was awesome, yeah.

Prydain was better than Narnia

I remember being really disturbed by the idea of the Black Cauldron!!!

maybe I did finish the Prydains after all.

HORNED KING DUDE

i just can't finish fantasy books

i had a whole theory when i was a kid about how prydain was the fantasy version of star wars but i dont remember it anymore

I really liked the Dark Is Rising books. And the Prydain stuff too. Very different from one another, though.

what were those fantasy books about the medieval mice and other assorted rodents? not NIMH

Llots of Welshh stufff

i had a whole theory when i was a kid about how prydain was the fantasy version of star wars but i dont remember it anymore

-- max, Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:26 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/092000/features/images/fantasy12.jpg
WHAT DID YOU SAY, PECK?

The Redwall series, labs.

oh yeah, i read a couple of those

Basically the good creatures win the day, one of the baby mice says something hilarious and hits someone on the head with something, and then they all tuck in to an enormous forest meal, complete with descriptions of every flask of elderberryflower wine and deeper'n'otter hotroot pie and chestnut buttercream. It's kind of amazing.

Brian Jacques loves food almost as much as the noize bored.

Redwall >>>> Wheel of Time

The books got a bit redundant tho.

OH NO THE BAD ANIMALS ARE MAKING THE CUTE BABY ANIMAL ALL SQUINTY

>_<

cut me own throat dibbler is a better character than most anybody in these books

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YES

descriptions of food in fantasy books always make me drooooool

suckling pig and wild boar plsssssss

The regiments of hares are really quite brave and noble and awesome. I love them, every bounding last one of them.

Ale 1 ep Small Beer 1 sp
Wine 1 ep Honey Mead 1 gp
Bark Tea 1 sp Bread 1 cp/slice
Pudding 1 sp/bowl Soup 1 sp
Stew 1 ep Roast fowl 1 gp
Roast joint 2 gp Hot pie 1 ep
Cheese 1 sp/wedge Fruit 1 sp

The best thing about the hares is that they all talk like Bertie Wooster.

the redwall books are grebt, i met brian jacques once

oh sweet wikipedia has a handy list of all the different dibblers!!!

# Disembowel-Meself-Honourably Dibhala sold suspiciously fresh thousand-year eggs in the Agatean Empire (Interesting Times).
# Fair Go Dibbler sold the archetypal pie floaters on the lost continent of EcksEcksEcksEcks (The Last Continent).
# Cut-Me-Own-Hand-Off Dblah sold disturbingly live yoghurt in Omnia (Small Gods).
# Al-Jiblah, a merchant in Klatch (Jingo).
# May-I-Never-Achieve-Enlightenment Dhiblang is apparently from Hublands 'wisdom country', based on the name and his selling of disreputable yak-butter tea; mentioned in The Last Continent.
# Dib Diblossonson sold bottomless smorgasbord in the Hubland barbarian fjords.
# May-I-Be-Kicked-In-My-Own-Ice-Hole Dibooki apparently only gathered whale meat after a conveniently beached whale had exploded into bite-sized chunks on its own accord.
# Swallow-Me-Own-Blowdart Dhlang-Dhlang sold green beer, location unknown but suspected to be tropical rain forest, possibly Howondaland.
# Point-Me-Own-Bone Dibjla, an Aboriginal Dibbler from EcksEcksEcksEcks in the Discworld 2 PC game.

I SAY, OLD GEL, PUT A LITTLE P. IN THE S. AND PASS ME THE DAMSON CORDIAL, THERE'S A CHAMPION LASS.

ELECTRUM pieces? xppp

"roast joint"

i stopped reading redwall around "the bellmaker" i think, really u just need redwall and mossflower; the rest are so-so. those books taught me more abt regional british accents than anything else.

if Vic still wants to read 'em

i do, but i have a lot of books queued and waiting on my desk now so it's no rush

while we're being nerdy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVE_Online
Criticism

CCP's approach to managing the in-game economy has come under fire for allowing in-game "criminal" activity. Piracy (in the ship-to-ship sense) is part of the game, as is protection racketeering and theft.

One example is the corporate heist perpetrated by the in-game assassin's guild Guiding Hand Social Club (GHSC). GHSC infiltrated a target corporation over the course of nearly a year before performing a virtual assassination on the target's CEO and stealing or destroying billions of credits' worth of property.[91]

Events of this nature are debated both inside the game world and in the media[92].

Such dangers are an intricate part of EVE Online's virtual economy and thus are purposely not dealt with by the developers.[93] Players are expected to make financial decisions based (among other factors) on the possibility of other players' financial malpractice, much like in real-life economics.

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THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT BOOKS.

i wld read a book abt that picture

no prob not

i might read mists of avalon over christmas at my mom's house and revert to teenagerdom. last time i was there 2 years ago i read a book about dragons. something about wyvern or something.

for real though, i'm going to start foundation series

foundation is GREAT.
Were the dragons books by ANNE MCCAFFREY?

PERN

The first few of those were great! After The White Dragon (in fairness, probably about 1/3 of the way through The White Dragon), they became... not so great.

they (well, it) were! i kind of wanted to read more but then didn't. i don't know if i can.

i know i will be all foundation foundation foundation though yaay

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PERN, yeah, that was it!

never finished Foundation either
read all the 2001s but they're all well below Kubrick, I'll tell you that.

can we talk about rendezvous with rama?

Foundation is pretty rad! I really wanna read Rendezvous with Rama. My coworker who tries to set me up with girls all the time rec'd it to me.

i only liked the first 3 foundation books

what about DUNE and ENDERS GAME

i ate those motherfuckers up in middle school but when i went to re-read i only liked the first in each series, all the sequels to dune suck and most of the sequels to enders game are bad too

RONG! on dune

RITE! on ender

ORSON SCOTT CARD: ASSHOLE

really vahid? which dune sequels did you like? im willing to re-try them

and OSC is a dickwad of the first order

as much as he is all about cheerleading dubya and the GWOT you have to admit OSC is probably not any more of a dick than your average sci-fi or fantasy bigwig

yeah i feel like scifi writers with reputations as nice ppl are way less common than scifi writers with reputations for being assholes (heinlein and harlan ellison spring to mind)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Libertarian_science_fiction_writers

lol

I LOVE ANNE MCCAFFREY. The Harper Hall tril and the first three Dragon books are total adolescent genius, wd read again and again for nostalgia alone. The rest of the series...well...maybe not.

I wrote to her once, did I say that already? It's hard to tell, given how much I repeat myself. Anyway, she wrote back.

Wow, really? What did she say?

I don't remember, but the letter is probably at my parents' somewhere. It might have been typed by an assistant, can't recall, but at least it was a reply, and a kind one. Author mail is supposed to go through the publisher but her bio said she lived at Dragonhold in County Wicklow, Ireland...I don't know whether Dragonhold is an estate or a two-bedroom condo, but that's where I addressed it to. Apparently that worked.

I mean it's rural Ireland*, right? They probably all live in hamlets where your nearest neighbors are all relatives.

NB: I have no idea where "County Wicklow" actually is.

The identification between libertarianism and science fiction is so strong that the U. S. Libertarian Party often has representatives at science fiction conventions and one of the highest profile authors currently in the sub-genre of libertarian science fiction, L. Neil Smith, was the Arizona Libertarian Party's 2000 candidate for the President of the United States.

i really, really like "dune messiah" and "god emperor of dune".

Card has also frequently criticized precipitate action on global warming, and has voiced the suggestion that scientific evidence against global warming is suppressed because global warming has become an academic orthodoxy that discourages opposing evidence.

"children of dune" is worth your time if you're willing to do "dune messiah", the next-to-last one ("heretics of ...") is not recommended but it is not terrible, the last one is flat-out terrible

ok now i just want to read the pern dragon books right now
i wld read online if they were online, maybe
i think we did talk abt these books on some thread a couple years ago? i feel like i did b/c i was all excited abt reading more. and then yknow had to read non-dragon non-fantasy-world things :/
xpostt

why won't the APA review my paper on phrenology. academic orthodoxy gone mad!

Thought the first Dune book was really mysterious and promising and wonderful but the rest were unsatisfying.

Orson Scott Card failed HARD at writing Ultimate Iron Man.

Elric series is totally freaking metal. Brutal and surprising and not all namby-pamby "let's jump on our beds and have a pillow fight" like certain other fantasy series. Blue Oyster Cult and Hawkwind agree!

i think i finished a portion of/all(?) the ELRIC (original?) books, but not the ETERNAL CHAMPION boks.. the runstaff, stuff and all those other bizarro universes. corum? was that one of the guys?

RUNEstaff.

Elric is terrible.

certainly not as bad as drizzt d'urden though, right?

do'urden? i never read those books, but they were just EVERYWHERE, and still are i guess.

Krista : lol. some dude buyed me Sword of Truth series, by Terry Goodkind
Krista : for FLIRTING PURPOSES

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth

^^^
i just realized i read all of these in middle school. they suck.

for flirting purposes

Since this thread is for embarassing nerdly book-related confessions or whatever: Tad Williams is my favorite fanstasy novelist.

In fact I wouldn't even hesitate to call the Otherland series my favorite fantasy sci-fi novel series.

Although I've logged at least 5x as many hours on the Wheel of Time books.

Goddamn fat dead Robert Jordan.

patiently waiting for dan_perry to get upset at lack of respect for RJ,

but OTM.

No, I fully endorse that nicka post because I am halfway through book 10 for the second time and realizing that the only way this story is going to end is if his wife finishes it. This may mean that instead of getting pages and pages of Elayne/Aviendha/Egwene/Nynaeve/Morgase/Lini/(semi-major female character) lounging about in stages of undress worrying about their sex lives, we'll get pages and pages of Mat/Rand/Perrin/Thom Merrilin/Julian/Lan/Balwer/(semi-major male character) lounging about in stages of undress worrying about their sex lives. do not want.

(I would still read it, though, I'd just be mad about it.)

POTENTIAL SPOILER:

In Winter's Heart, Min had a vision which strongly suggests that Aviendha will have four children with Rand at some point in the future, which potentially makes her quite fat.

rand's penis must taste like inidian food by now

THOM MERRLIN = DAVE FISCHER OF FANTASY NAVEL

I just hope that the part of the final book that he did write gets to the Thom/Mat/whatever Mat's wife's name is mirror people land Moiraine rescue mission.

Does anyone else kind of totally hate Rand?

I'm thinking of starting a thread where I ask Dan questions about the WoT series because I can't summon up the courage to re-read them.

Mat's wife is named Tuon.

I liked Rand the first time I read the series but this time he's a total know-nothing douchebag. Perrin has always been the best character of the three, anyway.

Mat is cooler than Perrin, but Perrin is "nice"

I'm not even sure I got to the part in my reading of the book where it's revealed that Thom isn't dead? I think there was hinting about it, but I dunno if I got far enough for it to be made explicitly clear.

did those fuckin' books ever get past the structure of travel - meet strange people - befriend them and raise army - travel some more - worry about going crazy - boss fight - lame epilogue?

can we talk about rendezvous with rama?
Love this. I also liked Childhood's End, the novel that inspired the cover of Zep's Houses of the Holy. The only thing I've read in the last ten years that approaches the stuff being discussed in this thread is Avram Davidson's The Phoenix and The Mirror. I picked it up after seeing NED RAGGETT's recommendation. I liked it!

can we talk about rendezvous with rama?

-- ian, Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

i was so fucking into the rama books but it's been so long since i read them now that i only remember bits and pieces.

i've only read the first but i love that kind of hard science fiction about contact with et's

just finished prince of nothing trilogy by r scott bakker, really enjoyed it. as far as my fantasy experience goes, i've not read anything like it in terms of story arc.

memory sorrow and thorn would have been a good lesson for robert jordan on how to get the fukk on with it and finish a story.

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so much more interesting/fun for me than fantasy and magic

wicklow is lovely, by the way. sunny south east of ireland, all green and hilly with blue mountains in the background. real brochure stuff.

apparently some take issue with the change in style/vision when gentry lee joins arthur c clarke for the rama sequels, but i didnt really notice at the time. i thought they were all rad and the 16 year old me recommends them

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I've mentioned this before

Morgan Freeman expressed his desire to produce a film based on Rendezvous with Rama. After a drawn-out development process - which Freeman states has been due to difficulties in procuring funding - it now appears this will indeed be happening.

IMDb, as of February 2007, upgraded the status of the project to announced in 2009. The film is to be produced by Freeman's production company, Revelations Entertainment. The website of this company is still touting David Fincher, who had been named as far back as 2001, as director.

seriously though exactly how many roles has Morgan Freeman played where his character could be described as "wise" or "a seasoned veteran" or "jaded"

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2007/08/21/freeman-and-fincher-rendezvous-for-sci-fi-space-thriller/

ooh i hope it gets made.

did those fuckin' books ever get past the structure of travel - meet strange people - befriend them and raise army - travel some more - worry about going crazy - boss fight - lame epilogue?

oh shit Wheel of Time = turn-based RPG

no wonder I like them so much

In Elvandar, the elven Spellweavers revealed that the silverthorn plant grew only around the lake Moraelin, in moredhel-held territory. Nevertheless, Arutha and his band sneaked past sentries, picked several silverthorn shrubs, and made their escape, barely escaping a moredhel general and his horde of undead Black Slayers.

In Kelewan, Pug and his companions were captured in ambush by Great Ones of the Assembly of Magicians for his role in the destruction of the Imperial Arena a year ago. Tortured by Tsurani inquisitors, his Greater Path magic neutralized, Pug turned to Lesser Path magic, becoming the first magician ever to master both paths besides Macros the Black. Gaining time, he explained his reasons to the Emperor, and was given reprieve to continue his search in the Assembly's vast libraries. Following a clue, Pug travelled to the northern wastelands of Kelewan, and discovered a lost race of people living in a forest under the ice.

did those fuckin' books ever get past the structure of travel - meet strange people - befriend them and raise army - travel some more - worry about going crazy - boss fight - lame epilogue?

oh shit Wheel of Time = turn-based RPG

no wonder I like them so much

-- HI DERE, Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:54 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^ otm

(Jordan did add in "look at young woman in the bathtub" subquests so I guess I should have said hentai turn-based RPG.)

I bet a word search on "ample bosoms" in WoT yields literally hundreds of results.

Drink a sip if:

o Rand channels.
o Mat has a 'luck' episode.
o Perrin talks to wolves.
o Nynaeve gets angry and/or tugs her braid.
o Egwene thinks Rand is getting too big for his britches.
o Elayne acts like a spoiled princess.
o Min sees a vision.
o Aviendha talks/thinks about 'ji', 'toh', or dancing the spears.
o Moiraine manipulates someone.
o Lan's face appears to be 'carved from stone' or the like.
o Thom juggles or tells a story.
o Ishamael appears in a dream.
o Lanfear talks about power or glory.
o Fain giggles, froths, or otherwise demonstrates his ample madness.
o Faile is annoying.
o Loial mentions a book (two sips if it's his book).
o Berelain appears in some skimpy outfit.
o Gawyn worries about Eg/El.
o Galad shows his 'goodness'.
o Bela is mentioned!
o any male character thinks about how so-and-so is better with women.
o any male character acts chivalrous/macho towards a woman.
o any female character sniffs.
o any female character futzes with her skirt.
o any female character's neckline swoops in T'A'R.
o any female character "folds her arms beneath her breasts".
o any female character thinks about a man's nice 'shoulders'.
o any main character kills a Shadowspawn.
o a sword form is mentioned.
o someone uses the Old Tongue.
o something about Seanchan culture is revealed.

Drink a gulp if:

o Rand shows his madness seeping through.
o Mat actually accepts responsibility in some way.
o Perrin demonstrates his naivete.
o Nynaeve faces off against Moghedien.
o Egwene talks/thinks about being an AS/WO/Amyrlin.
o Elayne hits on Thom.
o Elayne makes a ter'angreal.
o Min calls Rand 'sheepherder' or refers to his rustic background.
o Aviendha chases off some woman out to seduce Rand.
o any AS acts imperious/arrogant.
o someone uses a *'angreal.
o something about Ogier mating or courtship rituals is revealed (two
gulps if it's about something incredibly racy, like _ears_).
o a Seal gets broken.
o someone uses the Ways.
o someone uses a Portal Stone.
o we see someone deal with the *'finn.
o the Shadar Mandarb gets lost or acquired.
o Bela is mentioned!
o one of the main characters kills a _human_ (chug if the victim is
another main character).
o one of the main characters has MPS with a minor character.
o Tam discovers his son is the Dragon Reborn (two gulps if he knew
all along).
o we find out who killed Asmodean (chug if it's someone that _no_one_
has ever suggested).
o we find out who sent the gholam to kill Fel.
o we find out either Moiraine or Lanfear is still alive (chug if we
discover they're really dead).
o we read something in ALL CAPS.
o we learn something about Shara.

Chug if:

o Rand goes barking mad and injures/kills a loved one.
o Rand ends up marrying all three of Av/El/Min.
o Mat loses an eye.
o Perrin starts treating Faile as a 'good Saldaean husband' should.
o Nynaeve breaks her block.
o Olver turns out to be Gaidal Cain.
o Taim turns out to be Demandred.
o Logain draws Callandor.
o Moiraine and Thom get married.
o we see Machin Shin 'get' someone.
o we ever meet Jain(m) Farstrider.
o the Horn of Valere is blown.
o Bela is mentioned (OK, maybe that's getting to be a bit much)!
o a Forsaken gets offed (chug twice if a Forsaken gets resurrected)
(note this is cumulative with the gulp for killing a human).
o one of the main characters has sex with another main character.
o Galad and Rand have a 'showdown at the OK Corral' type scene.
o Aludra's matches are used against the *'finn.
o RJ ever makes a significant reference to a 'badger' (drink
everything in sight if 'badger' turns out to be a euphemism for
a piece of the male anatomy).

Drink a gulp if:

o any AS acts imperious/arrogant

alcohol poisoning

this book is so boring. i have read less than 200 pages of it since i started this thread, because it puts me to sleep.

even the druidic virgin incest antler-wearing ceremony part was lame!

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I was horrified to see a Piers Anthony "section" today

wtf

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse

Yeah we were vomiting over this on the rolling SFF thread. Fucking horrific.