thread of missing j0rdan s.

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:(

what'd he do?

ban me plz

aw.

Take care, J0rdan. Hope you come back.

is he going on tour with his tuba band?

wrong guy!

haha

Sad to see him go temporarily, but that picture of the goodbye bear is about the best way you can go imo

the fuck?

ringtone crew is at only like 50% strength now and shit is depressing

;_; hope it's not for too long?

sorry about ringtone too! i read but never really know what to say there

rip jackoff sesh

;_;

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeYK_N0i_l8

jordan come back dude i miss you already tbh

takes a special sort of occasion to get some dude to post to 1p3, rip homie

lol like five hours after he was banned he frantically IMed me about this new mixtape, like this dude aint still gonna read ilx come the fuck on

haha i frequently forget this board exists for weeks at a time

MUSIC CRITCS ARE THE ART OF INTERMITTENT FORGETFULLNESS

http://workitmom.com/bloggers/corneredoffice/files/2009/08/snoopy_come_home.jpg

kev if you wanna post some opinions shared w/ you by j0rdan, i'll post something whiney IMs to me, and we'll have a fun sockpuppet argument

lol spam for this label just landed in my inbox

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TqHSIUBQSnM/SpdO1kZUaGI/AAAAAAAAANU/DVmyxCuaSAc/s200/616NjXsVIhL._SS500_.jpg

hahahahahahahaa

i think we can all safely say that he remains in our hearts, and i know he will be back soon

my heart goes out to his family

rip other jordan

wtf is this

goddamn homie

missin u boo

haha yeah right we im and text all day

yah i was talking to him today and his explanation for the self-ban made sense but at the same time i wanted to be like "but you're on the computer right now...and you're looking at an ilx thread"

yeah thats the thing about all those dudes, huh

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oh j0rdan, you better be studying hard. if you're not, then fuck you for abandoning us, albeit temporarily.

but who else (other than deej) is going to obsessively type out half right gucci mane lyrics from songs i'll never hear now cocaine blunts died :( :( :( i liked this dude, he contributed way more to things i liked on ilx than i'll ever do.

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i lol'd

he'll be home for xmas

itll be like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqSxlUJyxo

aw now i'm tearing up

When was the last time there was a 75-second commercial for anything

ireland in the 80's. we had to advertise ELECTRICTY now you can't kick a ball in the street without someone selling you a multinational conglomerate

Oh man this is some bullshit.

^^^

:( miss u dude

first sbed poster where I'm like....this person is no more sb-worthy than myself

Yep. I just don't get it. Ah well he'll be back and until then this place will just be a little less awesome.

Ultimately, ur all doomed. :(

I looked over J0rdan, and what did I see?
Coming for to carry me home,
A band of angels coming after me,
Coming for to carry me home.

Get low, sweet chariot
Coming for to carry me home.

WHY did this dude get SB-ed?

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN

^^^ this! did people SB him as a joke or something? I mean, this is ridiculous.

guess people really hate gucci mane lyrics and great zings.

Haha from what I can see he pretty much got SB'ed every time he had a gratuitous pop at someone. Usually by the person he was having a go at. A cautionary tale dudes.

ha - Was just thinking what the hell did JS do to piss off 51 ppl enough that they'd ban him. so weird to me. oh well. We'll miss you bro.

but.. ok i don't read too many threads so probably missed a lot, but the only person i recall him taking lots of gratuitous shots at is.. rex ryan, who i am pretty sure doesn't post here

the only person i recall him taking lots of gratuitous shots at is.. rex ryan, who i am pretty sure doesn't post here

kingshgwy = Rex Ryan

f sb

should treat his earlier self-ban as time served imo : )

Was J0rdan suggest-banned (that is, this isn't another self-imposed, voluntary ban)?

yes

i think he caught some sb's here (but over 6 months ago?)
a challop (i think) in the midst of G20

this is terrible bullshit. i remember back in the BSB era when Sarge was new on the scene, it seemed there was a new ban thread for him every day. i contributed to those threads and i possibly started one, or several; my recollection is poor. it seemed like he was an asshole and dude was all over every goddamn thread, and besides, it was something to do. but we were wrong and he showed us that. he started with some ground to make up but he rose up Against All Odds and grew into a solid dude, a stalwart asset to this board, and if you SB'd him then i dunno i guess you should burn in a lake of fire for all eternity.

i think he caught some sb's here (but over 6 months ago?)

if he did that's total bullshit, but I'm guessing the sb's came from elsewhere

ireland in the 80's. we had to advertise ELECTRICTY now you can't kick a ball in the street without someone selling you a multinational conglomerate

― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Thursday, November 26, 2009 12:38 AM (17 hours ago)

u 4got to mention that in the 80's the esb was the ONLY electricity supplier!

wait, wtf is BSB era?

Who the fuck even knows.

What got your friend suggest banned was his habit of dropping snidey little digs like this:

EMO BLOG ENTRY

On ppl. Or this:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?id=41-76888-1130539

this kind of low level sniping pisses people off. If he hadn't made the effort to be so unpleasant, people wouldn't have clicked on suggest ban.

I assume BSB = Before Suggest Ban.

ok that makes perfect sense

????? l0u1s jagg3r suggest banned j0rdan?????

not afaik but other people did for that post

Not as far as I'm aware, but people, or persons did, after seeing that cheap little dig.

oh I see that sarahel did.

its just a suggestion was my understanding

― ice cr?m, Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:11 PM

people need to take their 30 days in the cooler like a man

http://www.jdmfilmreviews.com/images/steve-mcqueen-cooler-king1.jpg

people need to take their other people's 30 days in the cooler like a man

would not be surprised if his whiney-proxyin got him a couple sbs, i'm not an sb-er but it rubbed me up the wrong way.

people need to take 30 days in a man

not afaik but other people did for that post

― NAKES HAVE THE STAPLES IN THEM (jjjusten), Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:10 PM (6 seconds ago)

list them please

xp - i tend to have a short temper as well - unfortunately i have already sb-ed J0rdan, so it really would be pointless to do it again. But, seriously, dude, your constant jabs and cheap shots at LJ are annoying and make me think that you're a jerk.

― sarahel, Friday, November 20, 2009 1:04 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I guess sarahel didn't in this case but she would have if she could

lol ppl bravely rushing to lj's defense for something that did not even bother lj afaict

great use of the system

hardly the point, is it?

i think its ok to stand up 4 ur friends, and also to be pissed about behaviour u think is out of order even if its not directed at u. @ the same time i think J was a bro and i didn't want him sb-ed

fyi I didn't, but would have had I not vowed sb chastity.

yeah ok if it makes u feel better to "stand up for your friends" by anonymously clicking a button

well that's a separate issue entirely

but i think we had a thread abt whether or not sb was a good idea b4 maybe somewhere(?)

yeah i dunno if you find that a great example of the system at work or just some bizarre fourth dimension of pussyshitness wherein people anonymously/vicariously take offense to a something not even directed at them

xp upt0eleven

some bizarre fourth dimension of pussyshitness wherein people anonymously/vicariously take offense to a something not even directed at them

they call it "confirmbanrequest.jsp"

afaicr i did not ever sb j0rdan but i have def sb'ed people for their behavior towards others, i guess i am a pussyshit

^^

oh wait, except i haven't sbed anyone

well once the bannings started happening

i've SBed my share ¯\(°_o)/¯

i don't think i've done it in a while; i've become a lot more principled in my sb'ing

fyi I don't in any way support the sb system anymore, but i accept that it's prob here to stay until someone comes up with a workable improvement to it. afaik the closest thing there is to a justifiable reason for sb-ing is when you find yourself offended by another poster, regardless of whether you find yourself the target of the offense.

and lol @ people finally now realising that sb is anonymous and having a problem with it.

too many "you find yourselfs" there. ah well, i'm sick and that justifies anything.

afaicr i did not ever sb j0rdan but i have def sb'ed people for their behavior towards others, i guess i am a pussyshit

― harbl, Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:29 PM (52 seconds ago)

nah i mean implicit in what i said is the fact that jordan and lj had a good/playful relationship afaict and if his dickishness was seen in that context it's probably not deserving of a SB. obv u should SB ppl for outright dickishness and racism/etc to other ppl, i just don't think jordan really fell into that category really. of course the system is what it is and that judgment is in the eye of the buttonpusher

yeah i know what u mean. anyway he was sometimes really grumpy (like everyone is, esp. me) but generally not so dickish he deserved to be banned imo

that post is a bit out of bounds, talk abt kicking someone while they're down "hey guys having a shit time" "yeah, also, ur family all h8 each othr lol"*

*sure this isn't actually true

afaicr i did not ever sb j0rdan but i have def sb'ed people for their behavior towards others

i think this is cool its just that others might not get/be aware of the dynamic btw 2 posters like some of the exchanges cankles and i have had i wouldnt have w/any other poster ~ *shrug*

Lamp makes a v important point there.

yeah don't worry though lamp i don't mean stuff like that at all

pretty sure a bunch o ppl sbd jordan bc he was close to the 51 and it was funny

from jordy:

e: louis him & i are cool & when i make "snipes" at him by joking about, say, his truth or dare experience, he knows that it's in good fun & i know that it doesn't bother him or else i wouldn't do it. sarahel overreacting to that post i made about jagger family xmas 08 is hilarious to me because it was barely even an incident, and ilx people only remember it because it was part of a generally funny chatz session. i know that louis wasn't insulted about that, like at all. it was a funny post, i think he knows that. as for something like the herman g neuname post that pash linked to,

like i think that guy is a horrible poster. i don't have a problem saying that but on the flip i don't think other people should get so INSULTED by that notion. if someone told me that i made horrible posts on ilx — and, when i first started posting here, basically everyone did, including in a 'ban j0rdan s4rgent' thread that was the top google hit for my name for a year or so until i had it deleted — i would just go along with my day.

if it was someone i cared about i would probably take into consideration, but otherwise i would be able to let it slide. i can understand if people think i'm a dick but if i & other people like me get banned forever — which at this rate i assume i will be — then really it's just gonna be cuddlestein ilx where no one will check each other. i support the SB system because if that's the ilx that people want than by all means stop me from posting, but i don't see why people would want to be part of a community where people are forcefully driven away for basically saying 'i don't like you'.

i.e. what i said to sarahel about her turning threads into personal conversations with other people is more constructive than an SB, but from my understanding that post got me some SBs, which doesn't make sense to me. anyway, that's all.

Everything Jordan said right there is totally OTM.

have to say that when bimble was trolling the shit out of th gay threads jordan was the only one who managed to constructively give him a check and he did not exactly get a good thank u in return

yeah it's really dumb to sb someone constructively pointing something out

i agree, but "god no one can turn a thread into a self-indulgent chat black hole quicker than sarahel huh" doesn't = constructive to me, or a few SBers, either by the look of it

Jordan, all I'm saying is that when you post shit like that, it comes across as cheap & snidey, and ppl generally dislike cheap snideyness. Nothing to do w/ppl taking offence on others behalf, or wanting to turn ilx into "cuddlestein mountain" (which it never was & never will be) just that if ppl see something like that, they'll be like "ugh, fuck this guy".

xp yeah i didn't know the specific post

Jordan, all I'm saying is that when you post shit like that, it comes across as cheap & snidey, and ppl generally dislike cheap snideyness. Nothing to do w/ppl taking offence on others behalf, or wanting to turn ilx into "cuddlestein mountain" (which it never was & never will be) just that if ppl see something like that, they'll be like "ugh, fuck this guy".

― mu-mu (Pashmina), Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:12 PM (9 minutes ago)

yeah i get this but what theyre actually like is **sound of pressing SB button** which is totally unhelpful. which is why "ban xx threads" were probably a lot more worthwhile because it gave people a chance to hash out why they didnt like a poster and it also gave the poster an idea of what he or she was doing to piss ppl off.

basically (and no disrespect to anyone but...) the idea that "the system works great as it is!" is a little laughable and it'd be great if a few personalized tweaks were made. but who knows

ok but none of the "constructive crit" 4om jordan pointed out so far was actually that it was snarky zingers so like deal, it'll b 30 days iirc

fwiw sarahel responded to that by saying she understood what jordan was saying and that she "appreciate[d] the criticism"

jordan otm as usual. this is kind of all about what ppl want the site to be--sometimes some tough love, even if in "harsh" terms is 100000x more useful than suggest ban which I'm really starting to think is the height of "let's not communicate and avoid confrontation at all costs." but if that's the site ppl want then ok whatever I guess.

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btw

whoa

mixed feelings here - obv it is no secret that sarahel and i are tight, but i have been slightly surprised by her anti-j0rdan vitriol, and JS is right that that 'incident' didn't piss me off in the slightest - in fact i am quite a big fan of j0rdan and regard him as good ppl. i hope this does not colour sarahel's opinion of me, but to me it seems that J is an earnest and friendly dude who has a tendency to call ppl out rather than exercise tact - which is ok because he is consistent and sincere - and i have no problem w/ supporting him in all of this.

man this storyline is getting difficult to follow

however that anti-sarahel post was hasty and didn't take into acct that others incl myself were also blabbering away on that particular derail - also sarahel is i can confirm EXTREMELY aware of her occasional tendency to blabber on (as am i - we have had group therapy gchat where blabbering is redirected) and that wasn't so much helpful as blunt and slightly unkind. like, if he wanted to call her out fine but call the rest of us out too. J is usually consistent as i say but that is one occasion when he wasn't, and where he was making something out of nothing. i can understand why she bust out the sb for that one, altho i don't personally condone it. i know yr both good ppl and i just wish ilx had an instachat option so you cd brazen it out together and be all 'hey its cool' after 5 minutes of increasing <3

i say this as someone who was among the first if not THE first to call sarahel out for overposting, AND in an inappropriate fashion - and now look, we are board sibs (altho tbh my calling-out was mostly spurred by seeing my own habits in a mirror)

you're overthinking this. Go to bed.

30 days is a really long time. can't mods just yellow card someone for a bit, or have a sb equal maybe 7 days?

i think it's an awful system, unless someone is being completely racist/homophobic/posting personal stuff about others, it seems like otherwise .. if you have a rapport with a few people in which it is totally OK to snipe at each other, there's nothing to stop others from dropping in, unaware of this dynamic, and sb'ing someone. which is maybe what happened here. seems unfair not only to that person but to the rest of us, ILNFL is just not the same. can we substitute in hatcat for a 30-day ban instead?

proper modding right there xp

i think SBs should only last 30 days... i mean the "up to 51" accumulation

i also think that since it seems pretty unanimous that old SBs shouldn't last more than 6 months, the fact that that's not in place right now means that the whole system should be taken down till it is tbf

i also think that since it seems pretty unanimous that old SBs shouldn't last more than 6 months, the fact that that's not in place right now means that the whole system should be taken down till it is tbf

it is in place but it's done manually at the moment, i think? e.g. jordan got all his in the last six months.

totally 100% genuine question:

what about a suggest-ban system that is board-based instead of sitewide? we could reduce the number of suggest bans needed--to, say, 15 or 20--but you garner them on each board independently, and as you hit the magic number, you get banned from that board.

obviously jordan got under a lot of peoples' skin. id sort of guess, though, that he drew way more suggest bans on ILM & ILE than he ever did on ILNFL--as daria points out, the standard for what constitutes acceptability is very different on that board vs. ile.

im exhausted from arguing about suggest bans generally speaking but i DO think one flaw in the system is its inability to account for different norms on different boards. jordans posting style has been ruled "unacceptable" by a certain number of people, but (again i dont know) id guess that few, if any, of those people, suggest banned him on ILNFL. and it seems unfair that hes being banned from ILNFL for crimes he committed elsewhere.

i dont know if thats a huge pain in the ass to code, so maybe its a moot point. i do think though that the sitewide nature of the suggest ban kind of ignores the way boards operate. i dont post the same way on ilm that i do on 1p3 that i do on I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX. and it would suck to be removed from I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX because of stuff i said on ilm

DUMPLINGS!

max that is a good idea imo

yeah I think so too

lmao what the hecku is goin on here.

Jordan, all I'm saying is that when you post shit like that, it comes across as cheap & snidey, and ppl generally dislike cheap snideyness. Nothing to do w/ppl taking offence on others behalf, or wanting to turn ilx into "cuddlestein mountain" (which it never was & never will be) just that if ppl see something like that, they'll be like "ugh, fuck this guy".

― mu-mu (Pashmina), Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:12 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

shut up you pussy

can we substitute in hatcat for a 30-day ban instead?

― yeah, whatever (daria-g), Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hey now

i am 100% sure no one ever banned j0rdan on ilnfl

i guess it is totally useless to debate the character of an ilx poster, but j0rdan seems really good-natured and easygoing.

totally worried about this 'cuddlestein mountain' tendency -- going to start sbing any poster i see saying anything nice to another poster

i agree, but "god no one can turn a thread into a self-indulgent chat black hole quicker than sarahel huh" doesn't = constructive to me, or a few SBers, either by the look of it

― stet, 26 November 2009 19:10 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1) i didn't sb jordan for that post, cos he seems like a good dude besides, but it was a pretty cunty comment and i can definitely see why a few people decided they could do without him around for a while based on it.

2) three/four mods made comments equally as snarky to sarahel at around the same time or since, for the same type of thing (derailing threads or excessive metadiscussion, when there were three or fours posters involved in each case, not just her). don't know what the point of bringing that up is, but it's been bothering me on her behalf, even if she's taking it all in fairly good spirit.

At least we'll have him back in time for the playoffs.

hey you cd have just otm'd me d-mac ;)

and risk sbans from all the people that routinely hit you up on your first post back? no fear.

sb'd you for being a pussy fyi

FYI you CAN sb mods. I know this wasn't always true but in case ppl didn't realize it we can be called out for unwarrented snark just as much as anyone else.

sbd you for spelling

sbd you for pedantry

Sbanned you all for frivolous sbanning

THE SYSTEM WORKS

^sbd for overcelebrating an sb

sbd the universe for existing

you can sb mods but can't they then see who sb'd them? which sorta defeats the purpose and surely results in fewer mod sbs per dick-move. (if everyone could see who sb'd them, would *anyone* have 51 by now? lj maybe)

The idea of suggest ban is to be able to register a complaint without fear of retaliation. If you believe the current group of moderators are interested on retaliating against people, you are incorrect.

oh come on, mods are human - the idea that they'd feel zerooo resentment when someone calls them out on being a dick is sorta ridiculous. is there some buddhist training regime for mods or something?

i think you will find that mods get a lot less uptight about all this stuff than you think.

yeah!

::crushes kitten's skull with cinder block, throws corpse in creek::

everytime you sb a mod a kitten gets bludgeoned to death iirc

the fact that lj doesn't know when i've sbd him is the only thing stopping me doing it

Every one of the current site moderators have better impulse control than that.

Yeah, I had my moment of really being hurt by an ilx poster about...three years ago?... took two weeks away from the board, came back a lot less emotionally invested. (I'm think the person who did it never even found out they had laid me so low.) Also, playing online poker has taught me how to keep emotionally levelled out.

buddhist training regime online poker training regime

you'd be amazed

http://www.blindbetpoker.com/img/wsop/wsop2005final-table.jpg

mod fap 2009

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/ScottyNguyen.jpg
mod, yesterday

he was demodded 10 minutes later for showing too much emotion

lol otm re online poker training - also a pretty amazing trolling opportunity imo

oh man now that is an idea

jho are u still playing plo?

2) three/four mods made comments equally as snarky to sarahel at around the same time or since, for the same type of thing (derailing threads or excessive metadiscussion, when there were three or fours posters involved in each case, not just her). don't know what the point of bringing that up is, but it's been bothering me on her behalf, even if she's taking it all in fairly good spirit.

― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Friday, November 27, 2009 11:06 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, this is why I would like to see rotating mods. dudes need to be play in the sb jungle like the common folk and see if they come out thinking THE SYSTEM WORKS when they get banned for dick jokes.

wallogina/tubgirl - bet we could find 51 offended pretty quick

otm

didn't mean that as a go at the mods. pretty much squarely behind them on the sb issue for one thing.

jho are u still playing plo?

― ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ (Lamp), Friday, November 27, 2009 2:33 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

naw havent played more than an occasional binge in the last couple years - i suck now - no focus

i hadn't seen this until now. a few things:

1. the post that jordan made towards me that i sb-ed him for was on 77. this is not 77. i'm still unclear on what can and can't be posted about from 77 to public boards, but that particular post - i don't know if i'm entirely comfortable about having that quoted verbatim here.

2. it's obvious that j0rdan gets annoyed by me, and i get annoyed by him. people annoy each other, that's life. i get annoyed at j0rdan's constant cheap shots at LJ because I don't think they're funny. Not in the - "I can't see anyone finding this funny" way, just my personal sense of humor. There are other people's cheap shots at LJ that, sorry L0uis, you're my friend and all, but some of them are hilarious. I don't sb people that occasionally post things that annoy - or people that are constantly annoying. I generally don't care all that much. I also, personally, don't feel like sb-ing someone for just being annoying or making jokes i don't think are funny. I think that's a poor use of the sb system.

3. I think I said in another thread that I rarely sb anyone - because really, this board is pretty tame and people more or less coexist functionally here. The only thing (besides boring sockpuppet trolls - funny sockpuppet trolls are another matter) that I sb for - is over the top, gratuitous personal attacks on other posters. I felt that what j0rdan posted about me on 77 fit that criteria. My response was not 100% sincere. It pretty much meant - I get what you're saying, that was a dick move in terms of how you phrased it, let's drop it for now.

4. I try to be upfront with people who do things that I feel are shitty. I also try to not make a dramatic clusterfuck out of them. I think to a large extent that calling people on things that bother you is worthwhile, because sometimes, people just don't have a clue. I have no problem with people saying, "that's not ok" or "you might want to consider stopping this now" - basically, what it seems like j0rdan has gotten a number of sb's for doing. My beef w/j0rdan is the way he says what he says. It often comes across as insulting, and like he's an internet hardman-in-training or something, and is less likely to get anyone to do much self-examination, and more likely to result in people thinking he's a dick. If he wants to play it that way - he's like what, 22 years old? That's his deal. I've been there and done that, and it eventually got really old.

speaking as one of the mods who does sometimes go into snark mode, i try to control it for the most part, but you have to realize that i kind of feel obligated to read and pay attention to all of the threads on MRF/IMP, so it gets kind of infuriating when i have to sit there and refresh the thread every 30 seconds because someone is deciding to go off on some hilarious tangent.

also despite the fact that i am a big scary mod, i am also a dude who posts on the internet, so yah every so often shit gets heated and i get snippy. i do my best to keep it cordial tho, and sorry to anyone who feels slighted - i am not a vengeful dude so srsly feel free to sb me, or email me, or call me a dick or whatever.

xposts

<3 JJusten

SARAHEL THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU FFS

This thread is about J0rdan S.

what about a suggest-ban system that is board-based instead of sitewide? we could reduce the number of suggest bans needed--to, say, 15 or 20--but you garner them on each board independently, and as you hit the magic number, you get banned from that board.

obviously jordan got under a lot of peoples' skin. id sort of guess, though, that he drew way more suggest bans on ILM & ILE than he ever did on ILNFL--as daria points out, the standard for what constitutes acceptability is very different on that board vs. ile.

im exhausted from arguing about suggest bans generally speaking but i DO think one flaw in the system is its inability to account for different norms on different boards. jordans posting style has been ruled "unacceptable" by a certain number of people, but (again i dont know) id guess that few, if any, of those people, suggest banned him on ILNFL. and it seems unfair that hes being banned from ILNFL for crimes he committed elsewhere.

bears repeating

jjusten the thing is that I think that attitude is fine and 100% understandable, I mean my argument isn't 'mods are dicks and mean sometimes so they shouldn't be mods' it's 'mods are dicks and mean sometimes like the rest of us and there's some sort of logic gap if regular posters are starting to getting banned for general dickishness'

xp - i like the board-based sb system idea as well.

i mean isn't that why we have certain subboards anyway? back when noize was still noize-y it was acceptable to post stuff that would just not fly on ile or ilm---that was the whole point, in a way

truly reprehensible, mod-bannable shit was still not allowed, but general abrasiveness was fine. i'm guessing that subboard sb (sbsb lol) might be tricky to implement, but i think it would work.

site new answers might fool some people into clicking threads they won't like, but fuck 'em

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1368/1467426636_c97b92dda6_o.jpg

you have to realize that i kind of feel obligated to read and pay attention to all of the threads on MRF/IMP

― NAKES HAVE THE STAPLES IN THEM (jjjusten), Friday, November 27, 2009 3:46 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

a fate worse than ban

fwiw i have probably SBed everyone on here because when SB was introduced i assumed everyone would ban each other and we would realize how idiotic the system was and be welcomed back and think "that was hilarious and stupid" like on IRE back in the day. sadly, that did not occur

was just trying to speed up the process iirc

A+ idea may go on an sb spree even tho i don't really hav a problem w sbs tbh, also when r u gona delete all these posts btw?

why

i dunno thot that ws ur thing r whatevs

haa

oh haha youre like, laboring under the delusion that mods are consistent or something. this isnt bothering me so it stays :)

i think the main thing that keeps me from getting vigorously involved in these debates is that im not so sure an eventual ban is a bad thing for, like, anyone on this site

one thing i don't get about this place is the casual self-loathing about posting to an internet message board that frequently gets expressed.

assuming that's what you are expressing.

ha i just feel like its prob healthy for everyone to take a break once in awhile, & they dont always realize it when they should

I'm coming to this late, but as an acquaintance of J0rdan and several other recently SB'd posters I think the system sucks. Plenty of people have mildly offended me in the many years I've posted, but closing the ILE window, simply walking away from the computer usually cools me down, or simply telling the offender "fuck you" usually does the trick. SB seems like a craven, quiet way of doing the same. Very few if any things posted are worth thinking five minutes about.

^^ this.

my feeling is that if anyone is really offensive or insanely disruptive the mods will prob take care of them anyway.

The couple of times I've gotten really steamed I've written an email to the offending party and asked them what the fuck their problem is; in both cases the person was courteous and repentant enough. I understand that the internetz is made for passive-aggressive or shy people who can't confront problems, but this is a community, and if you post something you should stand by it when someone looks you in the eye and calls you on your shit.

real talk.

tho, admittedly, this DOES put the onus on the offended to be proactive about confronting the offenders, and that might not be something a lot of ppl (lurkers, the meek, etc) are up to, esp given how cocksure a lot of more-likely-to-offend posters are.

then again, the type of behavior that might legitimately cow someone into not telling an offensive poster to fuck off is prob the sort of behavior a mod would've kaiboshed already

"legitimately" is doing a massive amount of work in that sentence, imo

another discussion on suggest bans?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OWc4yn00szE/SRR59pOAQLI/AAAAAAAAAdQ/t1q9RgWmJhI/s400/KoolAidMan_Fullpic_2.gif

I admit I'm jealous of those who have been SB'd.

In a living envying the dead sort of way.

sorta the point, i guess. or at least sorta cruxy to what the sb thing ends up being about (imo): at what point should someone htfu and either a) step away from the computer or b) tell someone to fuck off? or does that presume that all SBs are because of personal beefs/slights, and not because of activity that is just generally corrosive to the community or discourse, or w/e?

i mean, obv if someone is being horrible to someone else, they won't want to confront them, and shouldn't have to just deal with it, so the button's there to register their disapproval. but i still kinda wonder if that encourages ppl to make rash decisions about other ppl's "value" to ilx, instead of realizing that sometimes it actually ~IS~ just the internet.

xp ok i am done w/SB discus

eric i'm sure we could help make your dreams a reality

I've tried to will it personally, but it's difficult when nothing you post is actually controversial but is merely annoying.

The reasons (I gather) why people are SB'd:

1. They've been actively obnoxious many times.
2. They said something that personally offended the banner.
3. The offended party is too shy or discourteous to confront the offender.
4. They openly admit to "digging" Bono.

5. They're asking for it.

^^^more reason to keep the poster around

This comparison is probably useless, but in the real world do you walk away when someone offends you and talk shit about them to their colleagues or your mutual friends? I'm sure plenty do.

i doubt very much there's only one or two coherent 'reasons' people are getting sb's.

xp yes--it's wrong in the real world and it's wrong on the internet.

heh interesting to know if there's been sb action on WDYLL?

In the real world, I don't get offended by people. I have the Internet to do that for me now.

...must...stop...SB talk...

but: i've only SBd a handful of people (when we first got it) and they were all randoms (to me) that i targeted in a fit of pique, all "well fuck THAT guy *click*"

maybe, in the long run, that's all we have

if any of my friends in real life tell me they like bono, i punch them

haw, i am probably 100x more likely to get irritated by something someone says on ilx than i am in real life, but that's because in real life i don't talk to anyone about whether or not kung fu hustle is ~really~ an action movie

^^^^^^^^^^^

Suggest OTM, gbx.

if anything, i'm liable to run into someone with whom i disagree so vehemently about *important* stuff (there are more intractable righties in my world than on ilx) that i usually try to keep things from getting into contention, because then i will just have to start beef with ppl i see every day and have to be collegial with

xp

In the Real World, though, I can buy them a drink.

all well and good gbx, but how do you incorporate it into the system?

xxpost Sad truism of internet interaction is that, if it's of the healthy variety, one should be able to walk away from anyone and never communicate with them ever again and not be particularly phased by it.

it is a mystery

xp

suggest highball

"Do not have any attachments, do not have any website in your life you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the mentalism around the corner."

You can get SBd taking your doggy for a walk

she's got a great RSS, and you got your head... all the way up it!

"Do not have any attachments, do not have any website in your life you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the mentalism around the corner."

That's about right. That's why I walked out on my blog.

it misses you Eric

whats good for the banned is good for the banner

the SB talk on this thread today has been really pretty good and sensible imo

this thread is about j0rdan s.

JORDAN COME HOME SOON WE MISS U BOSS

best of the admin log

so, you think you can ban? (J0rdan S.) has been banned permanently.

this is why there should still be admin log threads -- can we please try having nice things again?

One idea that I think would be reasonably quick and painless to code (maybe?): ILXors should be able to see their own SB total by checking their profile or preferences page. I'm not sure there's any benefit to keeping it a surprise for everyone, or something you have to request on 77, but I'm sure some people would find it useful to know they're racking up 5+ SBs a week, or whatever it is.

if you dare: options for the offended 51

aw man, I dared and now I want to die. gaaah

eh it's not a bad idea (tho stet's response is reasonable to), ppl just like being dicks to tuomas

to=tho

imo that suggestion is totally reasonable and people just got all excited and indignant because it's tuomas
xp :)

actually i already wrote tho so to=nothing

It's like speculating about how your life might have been better if you did X instead of Y, and then finding out that if you had done X you would have ended up murdering 20 infant orphans and joining a cult.

yeah but all of those 20 orphans could have become hitler

oh, you didn't murder them! uh oh!

where is lou jag these days?

r u serious whiney?!

I won't definitively say this is related to LJ, but I have noticed that I haven't heard about any evil infant hitler cultists recently

z s i am lollin hard @ your simile

xpost, yeah, I figured if LouJag was banned he'd be back by now... I must be missing or spacing on some ilx lore?

really the best part of the thread is when the discussion gets Sartrean.

xp Whiney - he has a new username -

check any one of the 4000 poetry threads

or his epic favorite songs poll thread

so i see

hello darling

more fun for display names at least

i think we're way off the topic of missing j0rdan s here.

on topic post: when i sb-ed j0rdan, it wasn't that i wanted him banned permanently from ilx - as the red type says - but i felt he needed a break to cool off, reflect on what he gets out of ilx, why he responds to things the way he does that gets people to sb him, because he does seem to take it a lot more seriously than a lot of people here do. I can't think of anyone I'd want banned permanently. But sometimes people need a mod-given or system-given break.

I think it's interesting that both j0rdan and I have been banned, not that long after self-banning for the same period of time we got banned by others for. I don't know if his self-ban was related to the stuff other people sb-ed him for. I know what I self-banned myself for for 3 days was pretty much the same stuff the mods gave me a break for.

lmao you self-important cooze

tasteful

wtf

ha um i can pretty much tell you jordan's not gonna be changing his behavior when he comes back, and i think saying he takes ilx "more seriously than others" is kinda wrong, too. i don't think i've ever seen j get really worked up over anything on ilx, his questionable zinging tactics are more a product of a certain ennui than an over-investment imo; for example, i SBed kate (in the p4k thread i think) because i thought she was taking ilx way too seriously and letting it get her really riled up over pointless shit. pretty much shows why you shouldnt be so paternalistic about the thing - had no idea she'd respond the way she did and i genuinely feel bad about it now

xp to sarahel, lol

sb'ed in the name of love

pro tip to everyone--no one gives a rat's ass whether you banned someone, whether you didn't, why or why not, etc. it's not constructive conversation esp. when the banned person cannot post in response.

wait you sb'ed him to *help* him?? :((((((

lock this fucking thread imo

lmao you self-important cooze

― farting irl (cankles), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 12:54 PM (8 minutes ago)

hey, guess what, take some time off

lmao you self-important cooze

― farting irl (cankles), Wednesday, December 2, 2009 10:54 AM (8 minutes ago)

how about you stfu?

OK enough of this, this is going nowhere now.