PS.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now. PS5

can't believe the new ps5 controller has a 'honk' button! incredible! pic.twitter.com/3LEUX6jxwl

— Crows Crows Crows (@crowsx3) April 8, 2020

https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps5/

this is the new controller
http://i.imgur.com/AEfMwvE.png
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:08 PM

The DualSense iterates on its predecessors by introducing a new haptic feedback system, adaptive triggers for the L2 and R2 buttons, a built-in microphone array, and a new ‘Create’ button in place of the ‘Share’ button from the DualShock 4. Details on what exactly this ‘Create’ feature actually entails is still to come.
“In all, we went through several concepts and hundreds of mockups over the last few years before we settled on this final design,” Nishino wrote. “DualSense has been tested by a wide range of gamers with a variety of hand sizes, in order for us to achieve the comfort level we wanted, with great ergonomics. Our goal with DualSense is to give gamers the feeling of being transported into the game world as soon as they open the box. We want gamers to feel like the controller is an extension of themselves when they’re playing – so much so that they forget that it’s even in their hands!”
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:09 PM

a little more xbox-ish, but not too much
looks pretty
― mh, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:10 PM

dont like how that looks nearly as much as the ds4
― ciderpress, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:11 PM

i presume you can turn off the microphone. what a nightmare to have voice chat on EVERY GAME
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:12 PM

every time any of the console makers change their controller i have to worry that they've made something that's not comfortable for my giant hands. the current gen ones are all ideal
― ciderpress, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:14 PM

"This will be the first controller that is already it's own Overwatch variant"
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:23 PM

the new controller looks like it’s wearing a little black spaghetti-strap dress
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:25 PM

The current controllers are great, except they keep breaking down for me. My original one has phantom R2 inputs and generally unresponsive, and on the newer one the down button only works about 1/10th of the time. This makes for a fun challenge in Dark Souls 3, where I never know if I'll be able to change consumable items or not.
Admittedly, this is probably related to the fact that I now mostly play while I'm on the stationary bike, with sweaty hands. :/
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:29 PM

xp lol
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:30 PM

Maybe that's not a speaker, maybe that's a fan that blows in your face to make you feel like you are outside.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:34 PM

The DS4 already has a speaker!
― Triceratops Vowell (Leee), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:36 PM

oh yeah one of my 2 DS4s has a bad stick. but at least it doesn't cramp my hands up
― ciderpress, Wednesday, April 8, 2020 3:58 PM

Karl Malone's milk post: thanks mate, you really cheered me up!
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:57 PM

:D hey man, i'm just giving you a glimpse of the future. glad to see the synergy with the thinking behind the new PS5 controller!
"Our goal with DualSense is to give gamers the feeling of being transported into the game world as soon as they open the box. We want gamers to feel like the controller is an extension of themselves when they’re playing – so much so that they forget that it’s even in their hands!"
*hundreds of journalists hands go up*
"WILL WE BE ABLE TO PUSH MILK WITH OUR "HANDS" USING THE PS5 CONTROLLER???"
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:10 PM

i cannot state strongly enough how much the new controller looks like it’s wearing a little black dress and it’s freaking me out

phew i’m glad i now say that twice itt

next generation baby

i agree that the new controller is wearing a dress and the analog sticks are its honkers

the internet agrees
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-04-09-of-course-people-are-drawing-the-ps5-controller-as-an-anime-girl

the controller is also wearing pauldrons

Sources tell Bloomberg that this year, Sony will be producing a lower number of PlayStation 5 consoles. The cause, reportedly, isn’t due to the novel coronavirus covid-19 pandemic, but rather, the hardware’s high price at launch.

The console’s technical specs are expected to be reflected in the pricing, Bloomberg added, and there has been speculation that the PS5 will be priced between $499 and $549. Certain components are scarce and expensive, which could cut into the company’s profits on each machine.

Kotaku reached out to Sony but did not receive a reply prior to publication.

Production might be impacted by the pandemic. Sony employees are working from home, and Sony might ditch in-person press events for the console. Earlier this year, the company held a virtual briefing to announce the console’s specs.

The PS5’s assembly is expected to begin in June. While Sony has revealed the console’s controller, only a small handful of insiders have apparently seen what the actual console looks like, for fear of leaks.

Sony was quoted as telling its partners that it will make 5 to 6 million PS5s during the financial year ending on March 31, 2021. In comparison, Sony sold 7.5 million PS3s during that console’s first two quarters. The goal is still for a simultaneous worldwide launch, but the pandemic is impacting game production across the industry, which could impact the debut titles.

At launch, the PlayStation 3 was hard to get, so expect the PlayStation 5 to be even more so.

is anyone here thinking of trying to be an early adopter?

I am going to buy this console. i missed out on the ps4/xbox one generation

when is there a game worth playing for it is the question

i haven't been an early adopter since i somehow managed to convince my dad to buy me a psx right when it came out (crazy knowing that it was like $600+ with memory card + a game, even back then!)

i know it's a bad idea, but honestly if there's some sort of must have launch title (super mario 64 or BOTW-esque) i can see myself doing it

xp

ulysses otm

has playstation ever had a must-have launch title? like one that's a top-ten recommendation for the console, even at the end of the lifecycle?

i don't see a reason to early adopt if you have a 4

the launch titles will be the last of us 2 with better loading times and ghost of tsushima with better loading times

and knack 3

I was kinda tempted to early adopt on both this gen... but who knows. There probably won't be a great system exclusive for at least a year or two anyway

yeah i don't really see anything in the pipe or rumored pipe i care about that isn't going to get a ps4 version, would have to be some left field surprise

plus - with these supply constraints I'm betting they'll rush out the first hardware revision even sooner than usual

and if these launch at $500... hmm.. i dunno

what's the point? wait a couple years and see if sony actually continues to deliver decent exclusives. current gen console quality has never been an indicator of next gen console quality. i've come to expect the inverse lately.

i mean, wow?
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/a-first-look-at-unreal-engine-5

Knack 3 will be phenomenal

wow!

i got bored after 10 minutes but it does look nice

UE4 demo for comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9CPqSKjTU

I don't have a PS4 but I guess it took a bit for PS4 games to get as good as the demo?

never believe the demo is a good rule of thumb, but that UE4 looks worse than god of war honestly.

never believe the demo is a good rule of thumb, but that UE4 looks worse than god of war honestly.

I can't tell if this is a put-down or not (honestly!). Because I just (barely) started God of War a couple of weeks ago, and not only thought it looked great, but thought that PS5 Unreal 5 demo was maybe technically better quality, down to the little programmer details, but not to my maybe weak eyes radically better, good as it looked.

i got bored after 10 minutes but it does look nice

Um, isn't the video 9 minutes long? No wonder you got bored.

the demo should be reasonably representative for what constrained area/camera games like god of war or whatever will look like, open world games have more technical hurdles obviously

Looks fantastic

https://kotaku.com/playstation-5-game-showcase-happening-next-thursday-1843754372

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/06/08/updated-time-this-thursday-see-the-future-of-gaming-on-ps5/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

will be watching.

give us a fuckin price sony

Not buying until gta6 comes out

well duh

(been my rule for the past two ps machines)

I have a PS4 Slim and I've been very happy with it, so much so that I'm not sure what a PS5 would give me that I don't already have or want in a machine. Besides exclusives, I guess, but that stuff is totally under wraps, given that hyped heavy hitters Last of Us 2, Cyberpunk 2077 and Ghost of Tsushima are coming out for PS4.

there is no point in buying a new console until there are games worth playing on it, idk why people even humor the thought of buying near launch

clout

fanboys + people who didnt have the previous box

I have Gamespot gift cards and GS is near death and my PS4 optical drive is dead. First time I’ll be buying a new system ASAP.

GTA though? Man, that’s been downhill from 4 on.

It would be be Spider-Man 2 for me. But I don't know, something about the general anxiety of this year might lead to just get this and maybe the MS one too

So just caught the Demon's Souls remake, what else have I missed/

HZD sequel so you better play the first one sooner than later!

Eh, I've got a couple of years before I even consider PS5.

FUGLY

better have good cooling because that's going in a drawer

that is seriously rank

looks like a router

We didn't get a price, right?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSRLTTP_t9wdIH4DSZkdDTRhcsTe32JKmHqg7pVKQ1gMu4CCOYr&usqp=CAU

only $1.00, nice!

im predicting it'll be usd450 for the digital only one and 500 for the one with the drive

damn that's one ugly console, can it even lie on its side

The one with the drive looks worse than the other one

almost seems... intentional...

xp it looks way better on its side

https://i.ibb.co/Lvz1zCn/Ea-Qt-TQ-Ws-AEpej-P.jpg

well, maybe not 'way' better. ya I kinda like the design but it's huge and I hate the white

also looks very breakable
that said, Spider-Man: Miles Morales fuck yeah i think they got me

should have sniped the xbox's hajj aesthetic

so you need a stand to lay it flat?
yes v breakable white plactic labia lol

looks like a venue at the qatar world cup

looks like a robot's vag

great so we'll all have filthy looking consoles after a year

white plactic labia lol

lol, I'm glad I'm not the only one whose mind immediately went there.

hasn't been a nice looking console in years idk what everyone was expecting

i think the fat ps2 (laid on its side) was the last design i actually liked

Dammit which thread are we using?

great so we'll all have filthy looking consoles after a year

― Ste, Thursday, June 11, 2020 5:43 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

i feel like the wii managed to stay pretty clean looking for an all white console

360s otoh would like shit after a month

wow this playstation fucks

glad everyones on the same page about this

ps5 behind the scenes production still

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/c5be5a0b-0cbb-41ea-8824-1be567df7036/d6dzghs-9eab92e6-a72a-48c1-8e93-5348ccbb994b.gif

oh that didn't work never mind

Special black edition coming in 2022 j/k

looks a little like a frank gehry building i.e. a box with something kinda wavy wrapped around it to make it look intellectual

Shit sandwich

system looks bulky and terrible, games all look great but who knows

oh hey demons souls, i guess i'll buy this when it comes out

do we know if we will be able to carry over our digital games library from PS4?

would be pretty shitty not to since its all one account and the backwards compatibility is there unlike previous gen ups

thanks - just trying to decide whether I want to grab some stuff in the PS4 sale

yeah i mean i can't guarantee it but it would be an insanely hostile decision for them not to

did games libraries survive the jump from PS3 to PS4 / 360 to xbox one? I can't remember

i may be wrong but i think that gen was digital-purchase dominant only near the end of its lifecycle so it was less of a point of contention.

PS5 is bigger than the fat PS3. fs sony

my only disc is ring fit adventure, so i'm really hoping everything else will carried on to ps5.

i don't care TOO much about the hardware design, but yeah, it is really, really bad. attention-drawing in all the worst ways

then again, when the new tesla tank car prototype came out and everyone hated it, i actually thought it was kind of cool, so i demonstrably have zero taste in such things

xp for xbox its game specific, theres a few hundred 360 games that run on the One iirc including most of the major ones, but not everything

for playstation the PS3 games are presumably still on your account but the PS4 can't run them

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/07/09/first-look-box-art-for-upcoming-ps5-games/

White strip looks kind of plain

i have a ps4 and a switch, and one box (wii fitness)

downloadz 4 lyfe

these details on how some ps5 games plan to take advantage of the improved haptic feedback are really promising!!

In a post today on the PlayStation blog, developers of PS5 games shared some thoughts on how haptic feedback works in the DualSense. The coolest nugget of info comes courtesy of Arkane Studios’ Dinga Bakaba, game director for the upcoming first-person assassination game, Deathloop. Apparently, when your gun jams, the DualSense’s triggers will too. This “[gives] to the player an immediate feedback even before the animation plays out, which prompts the player in a physical way that they have to unjam their gun,” Bakaba said.

We can talk all we want about teraflops and processing power and high-fidelity graphics and other blatantly obvious technological advancements the next generation of consoles will bring. (Indeed, we at Kotaku have. A lot.) But I’d argue that subtle tweaks like this are just as big a deal. Sure, having your triggers jam up in the middle of a match sounds like the type of frustration that makes you want to pull your hair out. It also sounds, to toss out an overused buzzword, immersive as heck. Those who like Arkane’s particular flavor of immersive sim (Dishonored, 2017’s Prey) will likely get a kick out of it.

The blog also goes into other uses of the DualSense haptics. For instance, according to creative director Brian Horton, Spider-Man: Miles Morales will apparently feature a sort of rolling vibration. If you use a special move—say, Miles’ “Venom Punch”—you’ll feel the vibration start on the left-hand grip and move rightward across the controller, ending as you wrap up the attack. It’s a far cry from the typical, unlocalized rumble you’d feel while punching, or getting punched, in 2018’s Spider-Man.

Gran Turismo 7 will use the DualSense triggers’ haptics to mimic the feeling of a real vehicle’s anti-lock braking system. Sounds interesting to me, but maybe someone who better knows how cars work—someone who didn’t get in a minor collision just last week—would be better suited to explain it.

https://kotaku.com/how-deathloop-gran-turismo-7-spider-man-miles-morale-1844793076

the 3 exampled explained here are intriguing enough, but to me it's a good sign that the physical sensation of holding the controller and the feedback you get from it is going to be more of a flexible palette for game designers, and that's really cool i think

I can't remember, is microsoft introducing something similar on the series X controllers? Because when 90% of game development is multi platform, support for platform exclusive features like this tends to go out of the window pretty quickly.

In fact that's even true for single platform first party devs tbh. Eg the HD rumble in the switch joycons, which was demoed really well in 1-2-Switch but then barely used at all in any other 1st party nintendo game.

i think the current xbox controllers already have something like that, i remember playing forza there was pretty detailed rumble feedback compared to the ps4 controller's rumble. the stuff about triggers jamming is new though

I thought in performance cars you generally disable or don’t install anti-lock braking

i always misread this thread title as "P5.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now." and think it's about persona 5

we've been on 5 for too long

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/robotics/images/4/49/Johnny_5.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20140422191506

FF16 announced, PS5 console exclusive

trailer had actual gameplay so maybe not forever away

it was like euro fantasy, got/lotr looking stuff

$500 for the full model with the disc drive, $400 for the skinnier digital-only one. unclear if theres any other differences

nov. 12 release

i shan't be buying one before 2022 though

looks like FF16 is being made by the FF14 team, which means it will be a bit janky animation wise but will actually come out during the generation
also maybe gone full action RPG? eh, might as well instead of fiddling around with hybrid systems which never work that well

they brought in the dmc/dragons dogma gameplay designer for it so it'll probably basically be final fantasy: dragons dogma

could be a lot worse. could be what they've been doing for a decade.

Yeah, 13 and 15 were huge missteps, and I never played the MMOs.

as always, I’ll probably mumble about maybe sticking to my PS4 and even getting further into PC gaming, and then will buy a PS5 the moment some shiny bauble of an exclusive title catches my eye

they're even putting most of the 'exclusives' on pc nowadays rather than trying to get pc gamers to buy their box

launch day prices are up, looks like $70/€80 is going to be the new norm oof

Demon’s Souls (Bluepoint Games / Japan Studio) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Destruction All Stars (Lucid Games / XDEV) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales (Insomniac Games) – US$49.99/¥5,900/€59.99 (RRP)
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Mile Morales Ultimate Edition (Insomniac Games) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Sackboy A Big Adventure (Sumo Digital / XDEV) – US$59.99/¥6,900/€69.99 (RRP)

Yeah, seemed like this was the time they were going to raise the MSRP. I guess it's been a while.

Honestly the fact that Miles Morales will be on PS4... kinda tempts me to wait on PS5?
I still have my PS+ copy of Demon's Souls on a PS3 unplayed, sadlol

Also FF16 will be on PC and looks surprisingly generic

Definitely trying to wait a bit but I’m still running an original ps4 and it’s barely hanging on.

also sad lol for the big ambitious harry potter game finally showing up now

That Demons remake looks gorgeous

Demons does look good, I'll get to it in ... 5 years? Harry Potter looks like it will be available on current gen, too, right?

Huh, looks like new Spider-man might be PS4 as well?

It will be. Yeah, was hoping for other launch titles with more pull to reel me in, but... eh

i was hoping that the ps5 would be run more quietly than ps4, but it doesn't seem likely based on the sizes

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_1600/ydozx4h1m6gh6ls5c3vo.jpg

Good god. Are those PS4 models 'slim' or the launch models?

$500 for the disc one which is about £380 but we're getting charged £450 instead. Plus ça change

20% VAT on £380 is £76 so £450 is... 6 pounds cheaper than the US price. Unless that's not how it works?

Ah, possibly.

I've always got confused by the US Sales tax system whenever I've been over there - so will it actually cost more than $500 to buy a PS5 in the States?

It depends on how sales tax works in that state iirc

Generally yes it'll be between $525-550 in the US depending on your locality. I think it'll be $542.60 where I live.

I've been super satisfied with the performance and graphics of my PS4, I'm still not entirely clear what this new one really brings to the table besides ... faster load times? But I suppose it depends on the exclusives. If the PS4 is any standard to go by then yeah, I can totally imagine getting a PS5 eventually for the exclusives, because the exclusives on PS4 rule.

I’m curious, do you have a pro?

My standard 4 has starting to feel sluggish and I’ve been getting frequent FPS drops. I assume it’s some combination of cooling (summer in an attic apartment) and disk issues. The Ethernet performance is also bad and the 802.11 performance is worse (likely attributed to living in a city with massive interference).

A Bluetooth upgrade would also be killer.

Anyway, I assume a lot of people will upgrade for better performance on games they are already playing (Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, 2K, Madden, whatever). That’s kind of weird.

PC-ification basically

Getting a new graphics card for a desktop PC would cost the same as buying a PS5 or XSX

xpost I have a PS4 Slim, seems fine.

Like, the problems people have with graphics, performance ... when I encounter load times a second too long, or sluggish performance or slowdowns, it really doesn't bother me, because it seems so fleeting. Now, Doom on Switch? *That* bothered me, because it made parts of the game all but unplayable. Like, literally, not the hyperbole I hear referencing PS4 games. I've never seen anything close to that on my PS4. But I don't play online, maybe that's it.

Good god. Are those PS4 models 'slim' or the launch models?

i think thats the launch model if its the same width as the pro which is pretty big

folks, the PS5 is huge

it is sort of comically oversized, yes

the real reason for upgrading is the same as always: eventually some games will come out for a system you don't have and you'll want to play them

having said that, this is literally the first generation ever where i'm actually anticipating the new consoles somewhat instead of merely keeping up with the treadmill.
loading times are one of those things i don't care about most of the time but when they're bad they're *really* grating to the point of putting down a game. i bought a ps4 for bloodborne, played for 2 days, then stopped playing it until they patched the loading

the 3d audio thing also seems really cool but i'l reserve judgment on that until i've actually experienced it. still, it's nice that for once the new consoles feel like worth getting

re: '3d audio' - how is this different from recording in binaural and listening on headphones?

which is possible with current hardware, obv

if i correctly understand binaural recording and what the ps5 and xbox are doing, the principle's the same. and of course it is technically possible with current hardware, the selling point here is the dedicated hardware blocks in the new consoles that supposedly make it easier to implement and with no performance penalty on the rest of the game.

it may end up as just a gimmick, idk, but unlike the battery draining bullshit sony are tacking on the controller (microphone, force feedback) that feels like waggle for the 20's tbh, better audio with just regular headphones is something i can get behind

i assumed it was more a software thing like raytracing but for audio to get more realistic sfx relative to your characters position in the game?

re Bloodborne ... but they did patch it. Lots of games get patched. I haven't tried playing Control on the PS4 yet, but that seems to be one of those games that almost everybody complains about, so I assume no mere patch can fix it. Then again, I've heard plenty of people say they have played it even not on the Pro with no problems, so who knows.

how the audio signals are processed and mixed, really

my understanding is at a layperson’s level and there are good articles about it, but it’s similar to how simulated spatial stuff works in headphones, plus the addition of where audio sources are coming from

in movie audio, someone is deciding in the mixing (or doing tricks when recording the audio) to figure out where the audio is coming from: a car crash is happening behind the viewer to the left, so they put the car crash noises there, and maybe mix the flying debris sounds progressively forward until the debris shows up on screen. in a video game, that positioning might be easy, but then you have the doppler effect, echos, etc that might come into play. all of that calculation can be intensive, especially when mixed with other ambient noises and a lot of tricks are done to half-ass it in video games

the spatial tricks to mix that down to headphones while preserving the sense of location is also computationally intensive, although less so if you have a model to conform to

a lot of games with good audio are using off the shelf audio engines, similar to how there are off the shelf 3d engines, physics engines, etc. I believe Sony is kindly giving games hardware acceleration and some off the shelf features in hardware

sorry, that was a clumsy x-post to Tracer

ah that's interesting and totally makes sense. it's a funny kind of AR in that it's not really 'R' - it's 'videogame'. you're not turning your head, you're turning your character's head inside an imaginary world. but that world is complicated too and full of audio sources! something like these bose headphones/sunglasses have dedicated hardware to take advantage of the (very few) AR audio experiences there are: https://www.bose.co.uk/en_gb/products/frames.html

mh's got it, that's basically my understanding of the thing

xp to josh: yeah they did patch BB to perfectly acceptable levels and i did play it, it's just the perfect example of crossing the threshold of annoyance: i paid 400€ specifically to play one game only to immediately put it down and find something else to play because it was just that unbearable

so for once, a generation change actually has at least one thing to genuinely look forward to, potentially two if 3d audio turns out decent

tangentially, I wonder how well this works if someone is deaf in one ear. do you get any spatial sense with headphones?

a lot of the early VR tricks (shutter glasses, old school red/blue 3d glasses, etc) had a lot of accessibility issues in that a lot of technologies straight-up didn’t work for some people. now that we’re just strapping screens to our faces it’s maybe a bit better

well before we get too excited, i mean.. game developers have been using binaural and stereo panning to create the sensation of real space in their games for awhile. as i understand your post mh, this is just sony doing some of the heavy lifting on developers' behalfs in terms of processing. developers will still need to either record and mix binaurally, or use plug-ins to fake it (some of which have gotten quite good). so - not something really new, just an easier route to get there.

for instance, in Last Of Us 2, i wore headphones exclusively because it was EXTREMELY helpful in knowing where the baddies were.

> developers will still need to either record and mix binaurally

they don't, the game knows where the sounds are coming from, it's the audio hardware that then translates that to the appropriate mix for your speaker setup. sony is focusing on stereo headphones at first with surround speakers to maybe become supported eventually, microsoft as usual have been less boisterous in their claims but they also have dedicated audio hardware in their system

stereo audio is not 3d audio because stereo output is the same on all headphones, what these things are doing is adapting each stereo channel to the person who is listening based on the hrtf. given the exact same game, the signal sent to the speakers from the console will vary depending on the listener in order to better simulate the 3d effect

man i don’t think i get it. the actual player’s actual head doesn’t have anything to do with it, surely?

yes it does, how the brain perceives positioning depends on the microseconds delay between sound reaching one ear and the other, phase differences, volume differences, etc. if a glass breaks to your right, sound reaches your right ear earlier than the left, that's one of the ways you know where it happened. how much longer it taks to reach the left ear depends on your head size

sure, there's nothing stopping game developers from doing that now but they'd have to implement it themselves and divert cpu (gpu?) resources from the game to do it. having it be done automatically by the hardware (supposedly the audio processor in the ps5 is as powerful as the entire ps4 cpu) makes it ubiquitous

to be fair the entire ps4 cpu is a piece of shit laptop cpu that was the best thing available cheap at scale in 2013

another point in favour of the upcoming gen, for once the consoles have actually good cpus

but you don’t turn your head in the game! you turn your character’s head!

and your character might be, say, a bandicoot

it might also be a car, which can't hear, yet the game still has sound?

not trying to be flippant, i'm just not understanding the objection, sorry

let’s say i turn lara croft’s head in tomb raider. if the audio sources have been recorded binaurally - i.e. crackling fire, wind, water drops, gunfire etc - it’s possible for the game to feed that information to my headphones in a dynamic mix that responds to the left stick when i turn lara’s head. my own head has nothing to do with it and the technology exists today. what i took mh’s post to mean was that “3-d audio” will provide a sort of turnkey solution to that dynamic mixing and possibly a suite of plug-ins to use if developers didn’t record binaurally.

i mean simple stereo can also provide a level of spatiality but as you know, proper binaural really is something else and sounds amazing.

Assuming Elden Ring ever comes out, I kind of dread it being released on PS4 and PS5 concurrently. Like, it would be nice not to have to buy a new console of course (and I don't care about graphics very much). But it's going to split the player base, and then I assume someday I'll buy a PS5 for some other game and have to buy ER twice. I almost hope it's PS5-only so I don't have to decide.

Is it the kind of game that can share a multiplayer base? Thankfully developers are moving more in that direction, feel like we're finally starting to live in a world with cross-PC/Xbox/Sony/Nintendo/mobile games slowly

That would be cool, I suppose it's possible? I guess today there are people playing Dark Souls 3 together with different frame-rates (PS4 vs PS4 Pro), so hopefully that's the case.

there's some small-time fighting games that have crossplay between ps3 and ps4 so i assume its easy to do via psn

the fact that the cpus are the biggest upgrade this gen but you can't really scale cpu requirements like you can gpu requirements means we probably won't see the full potential of the new boxes for a few years. i assume stuff like better AI and open world simulation is on the table, but only after the ps4 gets jettisoned

> i mean simple stereo can also provide a level of spatiality but as you know, proper binaural really is something else and sounds amazing.

actually i don't know, i've never experienced it, which is part of why i'm honestly curious about the new audio trickery in the consoles

rather than continue to fail horribly at explaining this (if nothing else because i barely understand it myself), i'll suggest watching the last minutes of cerny's ps5 presentation, despite being essentially a PR piece i think it conveys the basics of what they're trying to achieve rather well

The only person I've ever read go on and on about binaural stuff is Tchad Blake. This is a pretty cool demonstration, even through computer speakers:

https://vimeo.com/143727933

no xbox thread so

BREAKING: Microsoft is planning to buy Zenimax/Bethesda, an industry-shaking acquisition that will give Xbox ownership of Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored, and more. Story hitting Bloomberg shortly

— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) September 21, 2020

$7.5 billion

Some fun facts:
- This is 3x what Microsoft paid for Minecraft/Mojang
- Bethesda and Obsidian are now sister studios. Fallout New Vegas 2 is now actually a possibility
- Microsoft is now releasing two timed PS5 exclusives lol

— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) September 21, 2020

so Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, next Fallout, Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored etc would be all day one on Gamepass?
that's a pretty big card to play just before the consoles launch ngl

if they went exclusive, that might force me to three consoles by 2023.

yes, the main fallout of this is that bethesda games won't be on ps5 beyond the ones that are already announced for it, just xbox and pc

i guess i don't mind so much when microsoft buys a decent but failing studio like obsidian but mega acquisitions like this one are certainly bad for consumers

yeh feels like a big move towards market consolidation.
was trying to think who Sony could even possibly buy to counter it.
the likes of Ubisoft are too big, Square outside of FF too niche. Capcom maybe with MH and RE?

Ugh, you're right. There will probably be a counter response of some sort.

don't think anything sony could do would have the same degree of impact. jp devs and jp game fans already favor their platform so they don't gain much there. i hope this ends up just being a one off thing

they should buy microsoft. checkmate

shouldn't apple buy sony?

the ps4 library could be cleanly folded into the apple arcade

apple does not care about video games

oh, i was just kidding, heh

i think they do sort of care about games (they managed to get me to pay $5 a month to them for it), but not in the same way that sony does

I'm still kinda scratching my head about Apple Arcade and their long-term visions for gaming that never last. Hopefully AA lasts even three years

its just there to add some value to their hardware & existing services, they have no plans to fully enter games and no interest in the Core Gamer audience that microsoft and sony compete over

Even if they only managed to fund 100 indie games and collapse, I suppose it's a net good

I kinda shrugged at this news, tbh. I didn't even buy or want to buy the most recent Doom and Wolfenstein installments (Eternal and ... Youngblood?), never played any Fallouts, don't even know what Elder Scrolls or Dishonored is. Though I'm sure some of these things must be absolute juggernauts or something, since I *am* constantly impressed at the dollar amounts of this industry. It sometimes seems like a bunch of parallel shadow mainstreams. That is, it was remarkable that, say, Red Dead Redemption 2 reportedly was the highest grossing "opening weekend" release of all time or whatever, and yet the game is nowhere near as pop-culture prominent as a big blockbuster summer event movie, as far as I can tell. Then again, per dollars, I think I saw that Microsoft has more cash on hand than the entire value of Sony, so I guess there are just always varying scales of massive success visible to anyone curious enough to seek the numbers out.

You haven't played any Fallout in the last 25 years?? Sadness.
Skyrim was a massive pop phenonemon, they're still porting that shit 9 years later. That said my copy is still unopened

Oh, wait, Skyrim is Elder Scrolls? I know that one, though I've never played it. Otherwise, I've never played any PC/computer games post Apple IIGS, and aside from early Atari/Coleco systems I've never had any non-Nintendo systems until my PS4. And I've never played anything online. So no Fallout for me.

ooh. ok now i understand your Switch lack-of-release bitterness

RDR2 did seem pretty massive when it came out, but it sounds like it didn't leave a lasting impression. It's weird because a lot of money and time is put into the single player adventure of these games (GTA IV/V too) but if there isn't a successful forever-multiplayer component it's forgotten so fast

Skyrim was amazing. Sank 200+ hours into that game (and similar with F3) but won't be that bothered if future iterations are XBox exclusive as don't have that kind of time these days anyway

And it was only the recent Fallout that was online Josh xps

Also was it this thread where people were on about the combat in Spider-man vs that of Batman?

Been playing Spider-man and the combat is superb and definitely doesn't feel like button mashing to me - my 10 year old has played it even more than me and he's pulling off these beautiful, varied, flowing combos

I do love that a large segment of people I follow on twitter picked, as the one redeeming possibility here, that this could mean a Fallout New Vegas sequel

Re: Batman v Spiderman (allonethread), I think you're sorta right. Batman felt like random button mashing to me, but Spiderman (like God of War) has tons of specific combos. However, in both cases I chose to just button mash, because it was a lot easier than remembering all those combos.

However, in both cases I chose to just button mash, because it was a lot easier than remembering all those combos.

Same here, which is why I don't much like either game (though I actually bothered to finish GOW) (or any Platinum titles that I've tried).

i can't even

Batman’s combo system is less forgiving iirc, so I did a lot more button mashing because my timing is shit

Spider-Man lets you do things a lot more loosely and isn’t based on hitting the buttons at the exact right time

Yeah, I was going to say, if you're mashing buttons on Batman, you're only hurting yourself.

and goons of course

lol I think I mostly mashed one button, with the occasional takedown two-button combo, while spamming the batarang. . Iirc the (negative) Dunkey review of "City," while done for laughs, shows him fighting one handed, just hitting that one button over and over again.

The genius of Batman - and of the games like Spider and Gow after it - are the awesome animations that make you seem like you are doing a lot more.

You can do that in Batman, but it’s overall more frustrating and you don’t get all the points (or whatever the system is, it’s been a while) that you get from successfully doing combos and beating the combo challenges

Iirc the points could be spent on attacks and other moves, which I didn't find I needed so much.

OK, speaking of Spider-man *and* PS5, I just saw that the PS4 game is getting a remaster (already) for the PS5, but only available if you get the deluxe version of the Miles game (for either PS4 or PS5). A press release noted:

"The remaster for the PS5 is no simple up-res, as many of the game's art assets have been completely updated to take advantage of the PS5 console's horsepower. You'll see better-looking characters with improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation (including our new, next-generation Peter Parker)."

"You'll also see ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching further into the distance, and the same optional performance mode offered on Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales, allowing you to finally play the game at a targeted 60FPS frame rate. We'll be supporting near-instant loading, 3D audio, and the DualSense controller's haptic feedback. Lastly we're adding three amazing new Spider-Man suits, new photo mode features, and even new trophies for those of you looking to Platinum the game all over again."

Which all sounds fine, but if anything Spider-man looked pretty good already, so it remains to be seen what *more* good might look like, let alone if "improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation" doesn't just fall even further into the uncanny valley.

Did the graphics on the PS4 change drastically from its launch to, well, now? Last of Us Remastered was pretty early in its lifespan but looked pretty good to me, stuff like Uncharted 4 (which people like the look of) came soon after. Spider-man and God of War and RDR2 and Ghost of Tsushima and LOU2 are more recent, and all look pretty good if not radically better (to my eyes) than what came before on the system. I wonder how far along PS5 will get before it offers something that sets a new graphical standard?

we'll see if that's BS or not with the new models / 3D audio / etc in the PS5 SM:GOTY remaster

Last of Us Remastered vs. Last of Us II is a pretty big difference in visual quality in models, environments and animations, good to show how far they went from peak PS3 to peak PS4 graphics. i haven't even seen the game in 4K but i imagine it'll look even nicer on PS5

the demons souls remake is the only ps5 launch title that's ps5-only and not cross-gen i think? though that's still a remake of a PS3 game with the game world designed accordingly with smaller areas etc

god of war 2 (5?) will probably be the first real graphics showoff game

miles morales spider-man is a ps5 launch title, right? that’s an exclusive

tbh the moment Horizon whatever is released I’ll be on this like flies on shit

There is a part of me that wants to buy one of these repellent eyesores and develop a Josh in Chicagoesque schtick where I come on here regularly to complain at length about how every game is just a camera behind a guy running around breaking stuff

xp yes but it's a ps4 game with an enhanced ps5 version

i think horizon 2 is also gonna be ps4

yes, they confirmed. but since it's not launch it might be worth waiting to get a PS5 for

Think H2 will probably be a Christmas market 2021 release and there may be some Black Friday PS5 deals around next year - but probably only saving you thirty bucks or something.

How long was the PS4 out before it had its first price drop?

wasn't that only when the pro came out? 2016, so 3 years

had a look thru my emails and I bought my PS4 a year after launch during what must have been a Black Friday deal for £289 down from £349.
wonder how long it will take for a PS5 to dip under what is obviously my unconscious price ceiling of £300.

Does anyone know how (or if) backward compatibility will work if you buy the PS5 digital edition but have physical copies of PS4 games?

Pretty sure they confirmed it just won't work. If you want to play physical PS4 games you need the non-digital PS5.

I believe that's correct, all the more reason to get the disc version. PSN purchases probably OK i guess.

Same applies to the free PS5 upgrades, there are a bunch of games where owning a PS4 copy will entitle you to a PS5 upgrade, but physical copies will only upgrade on the non-digital PS5.

PS5 without disc would force you to re-purchase your PS4 discs

what i'd like to know is if disc PS5 will also force you to download ps4 games again or if it installs them from the blu-ray, they haven't confirmed that afaik

*PS4 discs games

It would make sense for the PS5 to do the disc check on your PS4 disc, then download the PS5 version from PSN, but this hasn't been directly confirmed

well that kind of defeats the whole purpose, hoping it will just let me install from disc like the ps4 does.

the only reasons it should download anything is specific games needing bc patches for stability and of course the regular ps4 patches that almost every game has, fetching the whole thing when i have it locally in a blu-ray is just ridiculous

i think people are talking about games with ps5 enhanced versions. you obviously can't install an improved ps5 version of a game from the ps4 disc since it's not on there.

oh, that's what you mean
yeah, PS5 runs PS4 games the same way they run now, it isn't even emulation so much as PS5 is just an upgraded PS4, PC-style.

they do have to be tested and whitelisted by sony first i think but they've said 99% of ps4 games will work on day 1

From what I understand upgrading to enhanced versions may be Pyrric victories, since yeah, you're going to have to buy the new PS5 version one way or another anyway to *get* that enhanced version. And in the case of Spiderman, as reported even upgrading to the PS5 version won't port over your saves or anything. So if you have the PS4 version of a game, you should likely be able to play the PS4 version on the PS5. But if you want the PS5 version of anything you're going to have to pay ... something.

I just want Tokyo Jungle

amen

you're going to have to buy the new PS5 version one way or another anyway to *get* that enhanced version

That's not true in most cases. Spiderman is a particularly confusing exception though, because they're actually going to have two different PS5 versions - one "standard", and one "enhanced", the standard PS5 version will be a free upgrade from the PS4 version (which you don't have to buy, and can activate with the original disc or original download etc) but to get the enhanced one you'll need to either buy the Ultimate Edition of Miles Morales on PS4, or buy the same ultimate edition on PS5. Or at least that's the general shape of it, I spent ages yesterday juggling other news sources trying to get an accurate explanation for this and they all seemed to be confused too one way or another so I might still have some bits wrong.

But yeah if you want to upgrade (eg) your PS4 Witcher 3 to the PS5 version, that's properly free. Same is true for most of the games on that list I shared upthread.

Tokyo jungle btw is currently playable on PS4 via PS Now. Guessing the PS Now library is mostly going to just carry straight over to PS5 though I don't think they've said much about that yet.

Playstation Plus Collection: https://www.cbr.com/playstation-plus-collection-ps-now-shortcomings/

sorry that's not the best link. here's what buying a ps5 and subbing to their yearly service gets you:

God of War
The Last of Us: Remastered
Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
Battlefield 1
Monster Hunter World
Fallout 4
Final Fantasy XV
The Last Guardian
Ratchet and Clank
Infamous: Second Son
Days Gone
Bloodborne
Detroit: Become Human
Batman Arkham Knight
Mortal Kombat X
Persona 5
Until Dawn
Resident Evil: Biohazard

> they do have to be tested and whitelisted by sony first i think but they've said 99% of ps4 games will work on day 1

i think the testing and whitelisting is only for the PS5 boost mode improvements in back-compat (to avoid further confusion, NOT talking about the enhanced PS5 versions that are effectively PS5 games, I mean actual PS4 games running in boost mode on the 5), for the legacy modes all games with few exceptions should run fine, like base PS4 games do in the ps4 pro

whoa, that's pretty cool! as long as they don't bump up the price of Playstation Plus to $125/yr or some bullshit

“Marvel’s Spider-Man: Remastered is an enhanced version of Marvel’s Spider-Man, and is included as part of Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition for the PlayStation 5. In addition, players who purchase Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales on PlayStation 4 can upgrade at no additional cost to the PS5 version of Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales and can take advantage of a paid-upgrade to download Marvel’s Spider-Man: Remastered.”

Regarding the above.. how long until PS Now/PS+/PS+ Collection get merged and they do end up bumping the price? Fortunately Game Pass is still so cheap generally (gotta be at a loss) that I think they'll refrain from charging more than MS does

yeah gamepass has to be a 'take a loss to get a userbase then figure it out later' thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaAY-jAjm0w

what?? it’s as big as a man’s torso!

it is the chunkiest of systems

It's like a cross between a 3-ring binder and a boogie board.

chonky bytes

the furniture my tv sits on literally isn’t big enough to hold that

it's supposed to replace that furniture

yeah, i have no idea where i'm putting that

I can't wait for the second wave of these to become available so I can get one and my partner can go "uh what is this giant thing you put in the living room" and I can answer "I'M SPIDERMAN, WHEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Uh, the PS5 digital is shipping with a 1tb drive and 664gb of free space, which likely isn't much more than enough to hold the games that the PS+ Collection comes with! You're gonna need a 5tb external attached to this dang thing, which only increases the bulk.

Anyone who installs both Demon’s Souls and Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition will find their hard drive space taking up 171GB, which is roughly 20 percent of the entire storage.

i love that they did this video

do you really need all 20 games in the ps+ collection installed at once? they're mostly single player games that have an end

if i can't play anything at any given moment how do i even know i'm alive

rip and tear(down)

I wonder if how hard taking out the cap for the screw hole (@1:34 in the video) will be.

clumsy people will die instantly when they try to do it

excited to buy the sane size version with a useful hard drive size in 2023

are 2TB+ SSDs gonna get cheaper fast enough for that?

doubtful

a boy can dream

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/09/ps4-games-on-ps5-your-top-questions-answered/

That looks pretty reassuring.

any news about the loudness of the ps5, compared to standard model ps4s?

If it's too loud, you're too old!

WHRHRHRH whaatt? iIIRRRRR i can't hear IIRRRRHHHyouRRROovertheFRRpRRRHHHHRHRR5RHHHhh

List of PS4-only games: https://support.playstation.com/s/article/backward-compatibility?language=en_US

Not too shabby.

apparently the entire reason the ps5 is so big is to make it quieter!

the whole thing is a heatsink

pretty much. the component spacing on that mainboard is wild, just loads of space between chips

How thirsty are you for PS5 sneak peeks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TBPrYJDoDE

the user experience is bad

On the plus side, that stuff seems like the easiest to fix and refine. And at the same time, a lot of that is shit I just don't care about. Screenshots? Chatting? Not for me.

My kids were claiming I play games a lot, which ... I really don't. Maybe once or twice a week? Still, I told them if anything I need to play games *more* to stay on track, so that I can get through most of my backlog in time to buy a PS5 in two+ years.

there's no rush. i bought a ps4 in 2019 and will probably likewise buy a ps5 in 2025

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2b/0f/a0/2b0fa0601f51750dcab589083d1952ea.jpg

the user experience is bad

sure is. it's true that they could fix it later, but it seems rare that it actually happens. i'll never understand how even basic things like the screenshot interface get screwed up. here's a screenshot of the PS5 screenshot:

https://i.imgur.com/iDZfBiE.png

it's hard to tell, but in the demo they just snapped a picture. but notice that the interface takes up the bottom 1/4 of the screen, and it's black instead of transparent so it covers up a 1/4 of the screenshot you're trying to capture! you have to guess at what's behind there when you frame your shot. why didn't they just make it transparent?

it's not a big deal at all, and maybe they'll fix that before launch day, but...they probably won't?

all these are functions I wouldn't ever use. in our house the ps4 has become our main TV device that also happens to play games. So what I really want is better interfaces for TV watching, chromecast compatibility, better audio out options, some way to watch ITV(!)... on the gaming side, just be nice to have one setting that remembers I play inverted Y, otherwise yeah just bring me a quieter fan, a good Gran Turismo and a whole load of cheap 2d metroidvanias, bring Lau some overblown post-apocalyptic epic with yet more zombies, and we're basically happy.

More annoyed about the recently announced changes to the web store.
No more ability to buy PS3/Vita/PSP titles (have to use the console), and they're REMOVING wishlists altogether.

Yeah what’s up with that anyway?

Note that PS1 titles are still seemingly ok, and maybe will get a PS5 emulator. (Most PS2 titles on the store were PSN ports to PS3 so I'm guessing they're mostly gone with a few exceptions that were ported to PS4.)

Guess it's too much trouble to emulate. I know PS3 had a notoriously weird architecture (which was eventually cracked by many ingenious hobbyists and PS2 I'm guessing is also difficult to emulate.

The wishlist stuff is probably just to curtail wait-for-sale buying? I can't see it as anything but anti-consumer. Speaking of which, I always hated that 100-item limit.

good news for those hoping the ps5 will be more quiet?

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/10/ps5-will-use-downloadable-updates-to-control-game-by-game-fan-speed/

...in the interview, 4Gamer notes that the system's 120mm diameter, 45mm thick fan, which directs air to both sides of the dual-sided motherboard, "is quite large and thick for an electric fan mounted on a game machine." That allows for slower turning compared to a larger fan, leading to a "high degree of quietness... under normal usage conditions."

In the teardown video, Otori said the PS5's increased size led to "a dramatic improvement in terms of processing power and quietness" over the PS4. Initial hands-on reports from Japanese press confirmed that general impression, which should be good news for PlayStation owners used to loud system fans that spin like jet engines under heavy load.

new web store is up and I hate it already
no filters, no wishlist, all icons and no text so you can't tell if it's a game or bundle or DLC or what - if you search for DLC you can end up with rows of the same icon and not be able to tell what each one is!

Not seeing the changes yet?

lol what are they doing over there

they're lucky microsoft came up with an even more confusing new product line name than the wii u

it's good for fans of white space tho! changes are rolling out apparently.

Switching to this site in light of wishlists being removed from the official store
https://psdeals.net/

wow they really fucked this one up, eh? although i'm sure with some effort they can make it even worse

there's also this: https://psprices.com/

its so fucking big lol

https://i.imgur.com/SdBb5nw.png

i think it's taller than my tv

honestly the reaction to it is making me wish it was bigger

i feel that way a lot yeah

PS5 hands-on stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjerVFQfhk

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-backwards-compatibility-tested

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQ6NeTjccA

yeah theres a bunch of journo vids up today showing off ps4 back compatibility which looks good, pretty much everything runs perfectly at 60fps on ps5 as you'd hope, its just up to the devs to release patches that unlock the framerate from 30 if they hadn't already done that

sounds like the new system ui sucks ass is only real caveat of ps5 compared to last gen

I think there are some clumsy bits but some of the new features looked good? The ability to do certain in-game things in PS5 games without loading the game and then twiddling through menus seems cool.

huh? explain

you can set default settings for some common stuff like subtitles, difficulty level, etc in the OS and it'll transfer to the game options automatically when you start a new game

Hopefully that means I can tell it I always invert Y, like I could with the Xbox 360.

ban non inverted

Can you play all ps4 games on the V?

PS4 only games
While the majority of PS4 games are playable on PS5 consoles, below is a list of PS4 games that are playable on PS4 only. On PlayStation™Store, PS4 games that are not playable on the PS5 console will be marked with ‘Playable on: PS4 only’.

PS4 only games:
DWVR
Afro Samurai 2 Revenge of Kuma Volume One
TT Isle of Man - Ride on the Edge 2
Just Deal With It!
Shadow Complex Remastered
Robinson: The Journey
We Sing
Hitman Go: Definitive Edition
Shadwen
Joe's Diner

Just Deal With It!

Joe’s Diner not available? Fuck this sh1t

huh? explain

― Nhex, Friday, November 6, 2020 4:15 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe I hallucinated it but I swear one of the write-ups mentioned that if a game has a mission select type of thing, or a way to launch into something like a mini game, they can provide it on one of the cards outside of the game itself.

I saw it somewhere else originally (with more content?) but this is what I'm alluding to: https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/313335-playstation-5-may-let-you-leap-directly-into-games

i think this may have been what the giant bomb guys were talking about on the vid i was watching where they were complaining about the new UI (but weren't allowed to show it yet) - every game becomes a sort of 'folder' of multiple different ways to launch the game? so it adds another click to the process and also adds confusion

i guess we'll know for sure in a couple days when people who aren't under embargo have the things

I thought it was just a bunch of preset save slots so you can boot up into a certain point in a game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljAMpxifs4g

yeah this looks totally fine now that i've seen it, basic functionality is closer to the switch UI where you have a row of recent stuff and then an all games page

A couple reviews I skimmed of both this and the Xbox one more or less sum up that they're essentially luxury models of the current consoles. That is, nothing radical (yet), just a bit faster in terms of load time and performance. The PS5 I saw someone say should more or less be treated as a high end PS4, since for the time being there are more PS4 titles that will play better on the PS5 than there are PS5 games, period, which makes sense.

great video, ty

xp these consoles are as much better than ps4 as ps4 was than ps3, the CPU in particular is a tremendous boost since the PS4 CPU already kinda sucked at launch whereas these ones are good at launch. once some actual games come out this will become evident but you can already see it somewhat by comparing the spiderman games

i think there's going to be heavy diminishing returns after this generation because physical TV size sets a limit for how good fidelity needs to be but we're not quite there yet

With VR + 120hz + if 3D is due for a comeback, plenty of room for power use imo

VR sure i guess, framerates above 60 aren't a big deal for casual gaming and competitive gamers are all on PC anyway, 3D please no

We haven't yet seen AAA games in 4k120. I feel like that'll be the next big "wow" factor (and also probably limited to games like GTA VII or something). But even seeing games over 60hz - which nobody is even streaming at in the present - can be impressive

60->120hz is really not a wow factor like 30->60hz is imo. the only time i ever feel the difference is mouselook games, where you're moving the camera quickly and constantly, and mouselook doesn't exist on consoles

i guess if console gamers are willing to finally embrace gyro aim like nintendo folks do then it can matter more but there's still ridiculous pushback to that afaik

GTA VII

lol at skipping VI when V is 7 years deep and on its third generation of console. GTA VII will be a delayed launch title for PS7 in 2033.

true, i was being optimistic lol

GTA VII: 2020

i've seen a few of these PS4 vs PS5 comparison videos now (Miles Morales was the last one) and i'm struggling to see any significant difference between the two. maybe a tiny bit of motion improvement, a small amount of background detail here and there, but it looks like the days of huge leaps from say the NES to the SNES or even PSOne to PS2 are over now.
We've hit a ceiling in terms of graphical output, one which as a kid I used to only dream about: "What if the games looked like reality, how amazing would that be?".
I'm also underwhelmed by the games that are leading the PS5 roll-out: They all seem to be sequels or remakes or just slightly dandied-up versions of existing games, so very little for me to get exicted about. Obvs we're going to see more getting rolled out in the coming year, but for now the PS5 feels less like a brand new console and more like an upgraded PS4.

theres really no PS5 games yet, just PS4 games running on higher settings

the big upgrade this gen is the CPU so other than higher framerates (which, 30 to 60fps is still a notable quality of life boost for action games) you won't see a big difference until they stop making games that can run on the PS4 and then stuff like better AI, better physics simulation, denser open world simulation, etc are all on the table. whether devs can do cool stuff with that i dunno yet

the other big upgrade is the controller haptics but obviously you can't see that in videos

Yeah, was gonna say, you rarely see what a system can do right out of the gate for numerous reasons.

I'm excited about the Demon's Souls remake, but that's about it right now. OK with waiting until it has an actual library.

also obviously if you're watching comparisons on a 1080p display you're not seeing much of the fidelity difference between 1080p and 4k

I was tempted to buy a 4k monitor for the PS4, adding even more to the wasted money pile..

PS5, obv

Yeah, honestly seeing even PS4 Pro running 4K in person was pretty stunning.

Which means I will likely be upgrading my TV soon too. *sigh*

it'll still look better either way since downsampling from 4k eliminates aliasing (this is also why games always look better in youtube windows than full screen, a lot of the seams get supersampled away)

i'm finally getting kicked and dragged into the "multiple thousands of Ks" league, due to my macbook pro display busting a few days ago. thinking of getting a mac mini and then pairing it with a 4K display which i can also use for the PS5 i will inevitably buy soon

LMK if you can find a 4k 120hz monitor that's under $1000

will do, but i doubt it

THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN FOR FGC EVENTS THANKS TO THIS FEATURE ON #PS5.

You can now turn off the system's Bluetooth in the PS5 Settings for events! pic.twitter.com/KA05yebCST

— Alex (@Jebailey) November 12, 2020

120hz is for fps gamers, 60 is fine for mortals

4k sucks for computing though, its really a tv spec. theres a reason why everyone gets 1440p for their pc monitor

computer monitors generally don't have HDR either, unless theyve started adding that recently

I bought a huge beautiful 5K monitor that only has USB-C inputs and can't be used with any console, AMA

how do you use it?

i already went through this whole thing a couple years ago when i got my ps4 pro and the cheapest solution by far was to buy a tv rather than upgrading my pc monitor. if you dont have room in your living space for one then uhh you can pay 4x as much for an equivalent monitor or just stick to good old 1080p it looks just fine with the 4k supersampling

It works great connected to my stupid Mac laptop that can't run any cool games

xp

sounds like it might work for me then! i'm on the wrong thread for asking about displays (because i have a mac mini in mind)

4k sucks for computing though, its really a tv spec. theres a reason why everyone gets 1440p for their pc monitor

― ciderpress, Thursday, November 12, 2020 4:19 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

4k or higher are excellent for non-gaming. the pixel doubling or proportional scaling, like what Apple has been doing on their high res displays for a long time, makes text much smoother and imo much easier on the eyes

oh i guess if theres software to handle it properly now. wasn't the case yet a few years ago at least on pc

might just be an apple thing still?

Windows 10 works well, although not all older apps scale properly and look a little blurry. I use a 4k monitor for work with everything not doubled but scaled to 125/150% and it’s nice for all the things I use

Windows 10 works well, although not all older apps scale properly and look a little blurry.

I stopped paying attention to PC gaming/graphics specs a while back and mainly game on PS4, but I noticed my win10 laptop the other day had a toggle on it asking me if I wanted to try to make apps look less blurry. Like why the fuck would I _want_ them blurry? Just unblur the thing by default, Bill, you tit.

I have a 4K UHD 2160p monitor for my macbook air & it's excellent

PonyStation 5

piss5

after seeing the "difference" between the 60fps performance mode and 30fps fidelity mode in demons souls i feel confident in declaring that any game this upcoming gen that doesn't let you run it at 60fps is a scam

we're getting into audiophile snake oil territory of what extra detail you get running the game at 30

Hmm, it depends. Ray tracing seems expensive computationally. I could see things like draw distance, texture detail and other such things being a lot better at 30fps.

The audiophile snake oil is surely in the "you really notice the 120 fps" direction?

xp sure, i just don't think you can justify not including the performance mode as an option anymore now that the games aren't cpu-bound

1440p checkerboard looks pretty much identical to native 4k at tv viewing distance whereas 30 vs 60fps is a massively felt difference in action games

https://kotaku.com/two-weeks-with-my-ps5-1845670823

more info on the "cards" and jumping right into quests. looks like new Spider-Man supports it!

I adore weird-looking consoles, chief among them, the purple GameCube, so I like that the PS5 looks like a giant, high-tech eclair.

I should measure but my dated tv console has a shelf wide enough for a ps4 plus a stack of disc boxes on the side. I think I relocate the boxes and I’m good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7VILMeN28

*checks wario64 again*

If eating Bugsnax turns you into a Bugsnax, is the only way to turn back into a Grumpus eating other Grumpuses?

15000 people ahead of me in the online queue in Curry's this morning was enough to convince me not be be an early adopter.

the ps5 looks like a new expensive campus performing arts center that replaced three academic arts departments and cost $60 million dollars pic.twitter.com/mLwL921kRs

— matt (@matthiasellis) June 11, 2020

anybody got one of these yet and wanna rep for it?

I just spent an hour getting FF7 remake on my ps4 and i wouldn't be mad at something that loads faster.

i'm waiting for it to have real games

my buddy has one and he's enjoying playing ps4 games on it, lol

apparently there's drift problems with the controller so i know im waiting a while before i take the plunge

i'm waiting for it to have real games

same. even a single must-have game will probably be enough for me. and, i guess, trying to find a ps5, if they're still hard to find at that point

i don't think there's even anything in my zone announced yet besides FF16 and who knows how long that will take to show up

my sense was that the appeal is the ability to play ps4 games without loadtimes. and bugsnax.

thats not enough for the price of early adoption!

i agree! but some of you have more money than me.

Idc about load times, so I'm not even gonna think about it until Elden Ring. Even then, I wish I could never buy a new system, but I have to imagine that it will be optimized for PS5.

I've tried to get it a bunch of times when I see it pop up on wario64 but I've never managed to get one in my cart before the bots get there.

We have one, have only been playing the 4K versions of existing games that have it for now, like Destiny and No Mans Sky - everything loads real fast and looks really good. Fan can be hella loud when it has to kick in tho.

I have been using a PS5 controller with my PC and pretending

It's a good controller imo

can pc games access the fancy haptics features like the trigger tension?

not as of yet

basically feels like a nicer PS4 controller overall, only no one has spilled coca-cola in my ps5 controller

Oh do the PS5 controllers work with Steam controller maps same as PS4 do?

Fan can be hella loud when it has to kick in tho.

nooooooooo i thought this was the whole point of making it a meter wide, to avoid this!

i am disappointed sony

yeah iirc all the first impressions were like "its so much quieter than the ps4" but maybe it doesnt hold up over time

I should caveat what I said - most of the time theres no fan noise! but when it kicks in, its not so much that its loud, but its ... distinct? Quite enginey-sounding, like a 2stroke mower in the distance.

Playstation getting its own Hades: https://kotaku.com/returnal-feels-like-an-actual-ps5-game-1846735864

I was up late watching streams of this. A complete stunner of a game. Just awesome.

That game looks pretty neat, and/or a future cult classic. I have no idea what thought goes into these rollouts but it's wild the PS5 came out with next to no bench. Then again, as I understand it, the early days of PS4 were light on must-play games, too. Which of course begs the question, if it takes a couple of years for a system to get going, then why buy one at all in the early days? I suppose that problem was accidentally solved this year through scarcity, but still.

Anyway, this reminds me that I have Hades but haven't played it yet!

PS5 still has more and better exclusives than Xbox does.

Also, the PS5 is apparently the fastest-selling console in history so the scarcity isn't hurting too much.

PS4 at launch didn't have PS Now or backwards compatibility so those mediocre launch titles were basically the only games you could play on it.

new sells

ps5 releasing during a pandemic when a lot of people are sitting around bored and have entertainment money to spend can't be ignored as a factor

didn’t the first batch of PS4s have backwards compatibility, and then they removed it? am i dreaming that?

that was the early $600 PS3s which had physical PS2 and PS1 support

ahhhh lol i’m old

Well, of course PS didn't *know* there was going to be a pandemic (or did they?!). In fact, releasing during am unforeseen pandemic while at the same time contending with a similarly unforeseen chip shortage probably made any of the accidental benefits of the former a wash, right? So yeah, people want entertainment, but we're not that lacking in options, and the folks clamoring for a new premium system that's *still* hard to come by, and currently has few exclusives, must be relatively limited. Heck, they are still releasing new AAA games for the previous generation. (Doesn't the new Resident Evil, which looks dope, come out next week or something?) Anyway, does look like the PS5 is selling more or less at the same rate the PS4 did when it came out, perhaps a bit brisker. Lotta new titles on the distant horizon, too, though I think it would take something like God of War 2: Ragnarok to entice this particular Average Josh. I think I read that Returnal sales were softer than expected, but that game (apparently challenging, not part of a franchise) seems like a big ask.

early adopters are buying for the new hardware features/performance on last-gen games and not for new ps5-only games. obviously it sounds silly if you're not someone who gets excited by having the New Tech

Long Live the New Tech!

O_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6pCyV7PnqI

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

game of... souls?

i mean if you really want me to buy a ps5, new souls by any other name is how you do it

its on ps4 too

I reaaally don't want to have to buy a PS5 (especially since just finding one seems like a whole thing), but given that Dark Souls 3 seems to barely run on my PS4, I can't imagine how current gen will handle this.

Anyway, it looks amazing.

^co-sign on all of that

^co-co-sign on all of that

For purely selfish reasons, all I can say is - and I'm sorry for this - please be delayed.

you're allowed to buy it later

you're allowed to buy it later, when it costs less!

if you purely selfish, you would want it to be released today so that you could play the GOTY version of it at $19.99

that would maximize the gaming pleasure / $ ratio

Fair enough. Though we don't know how long it takes as of yet for a $70 PS5 game to drop down to $20 or less. Or even if they ever will. But yeah, I figure it will be ... 2025 before I get to Elden Ring?

But if this and nu-God of War 2 hit in 2022, it will be hard for me to resist their call for much more than a year.

I only want to play it at launch for the traditional chaos of everyone trying to figure out the multiplayer at the same time, before anyone really knows what they're doing.

unfortunately the god of war 2 sequel has been sacked, due to the little boy in the game. he died

was murdered, actually, for being too annoying

oh, he wasn't that bad.

i just hope that in the sequel he's more of a sullen, say-nothing teenager. but he's really angry and good at fighting

I wish I was a person who had fewer bad video game opinions and cared about anything from From.

i don't like from games but this one's a bigger temptation to give them another shot than the last few

Oh, wait, this is coming to PS4, too? Problem solved.

so is god of war, probably

I've no problem waiting another year for a PS5. There's not much that's essential on it yet and still have a backlog of PS4 games to play.

In fact, because not only are most of these future PS5 games coming out for the PS4 as well, looks like they will often be offering upgrades and patches to make them PS5 ready anyway. So I can take my time with my massive PS4 backlog, and when it's time to get a new system, a lot of the stuff I have can suddenly be transformed into PS5 games, and I can continue the backlog from there. So far, there are only a couple of big titles that are PS5 exclusive, right? Demon's Souls and Returnal, which are both still kind of niche, and the latter which seems like the most maddening of all worlds (bullet-hell plus rogue like plus Dark Souls).

Think the new Ratchet & Clank is PS5 only too

The last game was fun but pretty slight, and the reviews for this new one scan pretty tepid to me. That is, more of the same. So that's not the one to do it for me.

only game that would get me to buy a PS 5 is GTA VI

everyone forgets that other than bloodborne ps4's first big wave of system-selling games came out 3-4 years in

i don't like from games but this one's a bigger temptation to give them another shot than the last few

I'm curious why, since this looks Extremely From? (which is exactly what I was hoping for)

oh it's more the timing than the content. its been long enough since i bounced off my last attempt at dark souls

Ah I see. :)

I'm just hoping that all the cool things they're apparently adding - open world, horses, Sekiro-style blocking - don't mean that invasions are off the table.

will probably get a PS5 when FFXVI eventually releases, not in a hurry tbh
can't think of anything I want to play less than Death Standing Directors Cut lol

I love the R&C games but it's not going to make me rush out and buy a PS5 xps

I love "not going to rush out and buy a ps5" posts... as if that's the thing you can actually do...

i managed to get a switch during the launch period bottleneck, if i actually wanted a ps5 i'd find a way

if you are really bothered about getting a PS5 they are not that hard to find, just a lot of effort and time babysitting websites etc
Series S/X are a lot more available in the UK tho, I wonder how those are selling overall

zappi please teach me... i have failed like 50 times to get one

Lol depends where you are in the world, plenty of websites that have alerts set up for stock e.g. for US @wario64 and @mattswider on twitter, there's a Bestbuy restock happening today for example

Really tho being in UK I'd handroll my own alerts system by using one of the many browser extensions to watch for webpage changes on any webpage that is selling the PS5 in my country. just a lot of waiting around and hoping I'm quick enough on the draw.

italy need little balls. apparently.

not that hard, just need to roll your own alert system is all lol

i believe i posted in the wrong thread.

xp
lol you don't really need to, but it sure would help a lot!

showing my little balls to the shopkeep so i can buy an italian PS5

Ooh this is good to know: https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2021/06/11/elden-ring-ps5-upgrade-free/

showing my little balls to the shopkeep so i can buy an italian PS5

Italy Needs Little Balls is the system seller Sony has been waiting for

But will it even be playable on a PS4 xps

don't see why not, the trailer looks like a ps4 game. it'll probably run similar to sekiro

I just read that, in a twist, a game called "Godfall" was apparently released as an early PS5 showcase exclusive, but came and went with such little notice that it's actually being re-made backwards for PS4. That's pretty sad, tbh. The press release apparently featured this blurb:

Unfortunately, Godfall is not coming to PS4, because the game is being tailor-made for Sony’s new console, which means that many of the features the game will use are simply not possible on a PS4.

One step forward, two steps back.

Was watching the Dunkey review of the new Ratchet and Clank (mostly meh), and he dismisses the idea of this as a "next generation" game, and makes the observation that a) it doesn't look or play much if any better than the last one for PS4 back in 2016 and b) if the next God of War is being released on the PS4 as well as 5, then certainly this one could have made it to PS4, too.

I read of faster load times and, I dunno, ray tracing or whatever, but I wonder how long until the PS5 gets a game that not only runs a bit better on PS5 but can *only* be run on PS5. Not in the exclusive system, but in the sense that only the PS5 is powerful enough to pull it off. Maybe it's not that kind of a system, in which case maybe it's best to view it as a PS4 Pro-Pro?

you should view it as a PS3 Pro-Pro-Pro

The "3" is for triple-pro. That's how you can tell it from the 4 and the 2.

i think in terms of GPU/visual fidelity all consoles are gonna be incremental improvements from now on because there's an upper bound on how big your tv is. just depends on whether they can find cool stuff to do with the extra CPU power

Early games for new systems are generally not these giant leaps forward for numerous reasons. Dev time, dev familiarity with hardware, straddling previous/next gen consoles. The PS5's GPU is like 2.5x that of the PS4 Pro and 8x the original PS4 fwiw, the hardware is there, just might take another year or two before we see it really showing off.

Demon's Souls remake is probably the prettiest one of the "next gen" games i've seen in person so far. Gorgeous. Also 60 fps vs. 30 fps is really a world of difference.

Is it? I'm not doubting, it's just that I've not noticed any comparable game being particularly smoother or whatever than the next. For example, God of War on PS4 runs (and looks) about as well/good as I'd want or need anything to run/look. RDR2 so far as been pretty smooth. There have been moments of frame rate slowdown on every game I've played, if only fleetingly, but nothing as bad as, say, Doom for the Switch, which was bad enough to actually hamper game play.

I played all of those and yeah, 30 fps seemed perfectly fine for them while playing. But when you jump from a silky 60 fps game to a 30 fps game, it's genuinely jarring.

I think dismissing load times is a little disingenuous; whenever you get to an entirely new stage on previous generations, you'd get hit with a loading screen that may take up to a few minutes (even new sections of the same state might have those hidden loading speed bumps), and the fact that the new Ratchet and Clank lets you load different world maps almost instantaneously is kind of marvelous.

I guess? I like load screen breaks, I get to pee or grab a snack.

False!

You can’t leave during the loading screen. When it finishes loading, in many games, you’re right in the middle of something (usually someone demanding that you travel somewhere and stand in a glowing circle, talk to someone, or collect 10 of a certain object). The pause button is the pee button, imo.

I prefer minimal load times, like real life

putting on your socks and shoes to go out is a load time. flip flops are basically the same thing as a ssd

that’s right

As much as I'm a gameplay-over-graphics person, I never really got the fps thing until I went back and forth between Dark Souls 3 (30 fps) and the Dark Souls remaster (60). I was kinda shocked how much my eyes had to adjust going back to 30, it feels crazy for a few minutes.

It's also trippy that you can be playing multiplayer with someone who's seeing the game in 60 fps (if they have a PS4 Pro, apparently).

I do like flip-flops. Though I admit I don't usually pee during load screens, but I do put down the controller and have a few sips of whatever I'm drinking. Lately I seem to be on a run of games that don't really have a pause option, I just go back to the PlayStation menu.

Convincing JiC to use the pause button is the new convincing JiC to play BOTW

As someone who hates it when streaming services automatically skip the beginning/end credits of tv shows I can at least partially sympathize

I only play games without pause buttons, taking a bathroom break means taking your life into your hands.

(or exiting to the menu)

There are def. times playing Dark Souls where I would think I was in a safe spot, and them come back to find myself dead (again).

but think of the excitement that it adds to real life pissing

soulslike defecation

you don't know what you're going to find when you get back, but the longer it takes, the lower your chances of success. integrate your gaming life with your bathroom life. DARK STOOLS 4

Dark Souls x Death Stranding

using the new PS5 haptic feedback triggers, you will have to maintain a delicate and excruciating balance between your buttocks, upper thighs, and many sphincters

rated E for everyone

I think you mean rated P

There are def. times playing Dark Souls where I would think I was in a safe spot, and them come back to find myself dead (again).

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 29, 2021 4:59 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

there's a hilarious attempt at a survival mechanic in 2002's Arx Fatalis where every couple hours your character will say "i'm hungry" or "need to eat now" in a sort of pissy voice, and if you don't feed him something from his inventory he'll just drop dead 10 minutes later. there's no visible hunger meter or anything, just "i'm hungry" and then he dies. there are no other survival mechanics in the game and it happens so infrequently it's hard to remember the mechanic is there at all. invariably every time i left the game unpaused for any amount of time i would come back and find him dead because i failed to feed him a single wedge of cheese from his satchel

Was watching the Dunkey review of the new Ratchet and Clank (mostly meh), and he dismisses the idea of this as a "next generation" game, and makes the observation that a) it doesn't look or play much if any better than the last one for PS4 back in 2016

Downloaded R&C this morning and this is nonsense. Gameplay criticism obv subjective, but it looks incredible.

Also the PS5 controller, haptic feedback and adaptive triggers and such, are genuinely super cool and the game makes good use of that stuff.

People who've managed to get one:

how do this

^^^

i'm shocked these are still impossible to find and that they haven't yet produced a slim edition

they're probably working on it but why introduce a new model when they can't keep the original in stock?
(they did a minor revision with a slightly different heatsink apparently)

unfortunately it seems tied to the same global chip shortage that's effecting cars

yeah its still the same materials shortage i think. blame the crypto miners

Really not many (any?) must have games yet tho

I guess I'm kind've interested in Deathloop I suppose

I basically stopped trying. Fuck it

Yeah tbh I don't really care as long as Elden Ring runs ok on my non-pro PS4.

Yeah, it's still fairly early in the generation for there to be any must-have exclusives. I want to try because I skipped the last console generation entirely and Sony seems to have at least the one generation of backward compatibility working properly, and because Criterion have started releasing 4k titles (their move to blu-ray was what got me aboard the PS3 however many years ago).

Basically when and if i am economically secure enough where this doesn't feel like a waste AND when it's easy to find AND when i know I'll have enough time to play demon souls, that's when i'm getting it. so maybe early 23 or later.

yeah, it's on track for either a skipped generation or a very late-in-the-lifecycle for the cheap games kind of thing for me.

Which might make sense now that the current gen is trying to set $70 as the standard retail price for AAA games.

To answer the revive, there are a handful of Twitter accounts that keep track of what retailers are getting new stock and at what time it goes up online. I forget which ones I was following, if you’re interested you can find info on Reddit with some Googling.

It’s still a pain in the ass to get one, you’re up against everyone else + bots, but you can luck out. Make sure you have an account set up with whatever retailer you’re trying to score one from and be logged into it of course. I snagged one after like a week or two of trying but I know people who have been trying off and on for months.

I did hear that people were having luck signing up for whatever GameStop’s “membership” thing is because apparently they set aside a certain amount of stock to give members first dibs. Weeds out a lot of the bot nonsense.

i got really lucky and got the PS5 but i'd also skipped PS4 so i'm just using it as a catch-up for now

Yeah, I still don't see the incentive to put any real effort into tracking down one of these boxes quite yet.

Well, I managed to get one. Insert Thanos "what did it cost" meme here; answer: just about the entirety of my months-late tax refund ($800 after tax, since only bundles were available- a disc model, the director's cut of Ghost of Tsushima, an NBA game I am already trying to flip on Amazon, a year of PS Plus, and a $50 Gamestop gift card I combined with points to get Deathloop since my poor PC can't handle it).

If this is anyone else's white whale, I'll pass along the recommendation that worked for me: pony up the $15 for a Gamestop Pro Rewards membership. They've restocked more often than other major retailers in recent months, and you'll get advance notice of inventory drops by email (typically a couple of hours beforehand), though you'll still have to fight for it while their site grinds to a halt. I was on mobile, which made it more difficult than it had to be, but I wasn't able to successfully load the checkout page before the first wave sold out. Kept refreshing the page, and about 15 minutes later, more inventory was added and I was able to complete the process.

So yeah, Deathloop and Tsushima aside, I mostly have this so I can finally experience all the hottest games of 2016- Nier Automata and the Last of Us part 1 remaster are already sitting on my shelf, and once the GameStop ProGamer GameRewards RewardPoints from the console purchase are credited to my account I should be able to cover most of Persona 5 Royal.

At least you spent that 800 on actual stuff... that's about what all the resellers are trying to sell theirs for on clist, and that's just for the machine

I got excited the other day after getting into a PSN queue based on one of those twitter accounts, but no dice.

Lucky bastard! Tried to get that Gamestop drop yesterday and failed miserably

The $5 coupon every month easily makes that GameStop Pro Rewards membership worth it btw, you can use it on PSN/eShop currency cards as well

I know it's Dunkey, but if this is at all indicative of the P5's power and potential, then I guess I'm glad there's a shortage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p24cqO7rP8o

Are you sure that isn't the PC version?

I bet it is.

it does not look fun

i thought people loved arkane games

reviews seem generally positive? but i can wait a long time. never even got around to Dishonored

dark messiah of might and magic was fun, dishonored suffers from being designed around a controller imo, felt like i was constantly bringing up one of 7 different wheel menus

dark messiah had a sweet kick similar to the dunkey vid

First person games seem so janky and unappealing this days. Third person or 2D only for me, please.

i've never really been able to to 1st person. even games that otherwise i think i'd really love. i.e. Alien and Dishonored

It's a real evolutionary blind alley for the medium

its just a poor fit for console games, mouselook is too important to making it work

I played a bunch of Doom for the Switch, which has gyro controls, and it wasn't too bad. I bought the game again on sale for the PS4 (which lacks gyro) and it was much tougher on any setting beyond the easy ones that nerf it down to a glorified choose your own adventure. But of course people appear adept at doing all sorts of shit with standard controllers.

I prefer kebab controls

I think there's something about the 'you are IN his EYES' thing, where you see the hand sticking up from the bottom right hand corner holding a gun or an axe or whatever that has unappealing parallels with gonzo porn? Something deep and unexamined going on in my brain with this one lads

better to have it stick straight out from the bottom center of the screen og wolfenstein style so theres
no confusion

Dark Souls 3 looks insane in 60fps. Also I swear it plays differently too, I've gotten used to compensating for latency and certain timings that are a little looser in 30fps (online anyway), and need to adjust.

the ten most played ps5 games, after 1 year

Fortnite
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
FIFA 21
NBA 2K21
Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
Destiny 2
MLB The Show 21
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Demon’s Souls
NBA 2K22

https://blog.playstation.com/2021/11/12/playstation-5-turns-one-today/

(this is total hours played, not total number of players/purchases)

hours played is gonna strongly select for multiplayer games

yep, i know, i just thought i'd share

sports games and call of duty are always the biggest system sellers early, has been the case the past 2 gens too

Finally was able to order a system from Playstation Direct. Still wondering if I really bought it and it wasn't some kind of scam.

Finally tried the PS5 controller and I think I hate it. My hands are probably on the small side, but it just feels so heavy and unbalanced, like it wants to tip forward. I normally try not to curl my pinky and ring fingers around the handles (so that I don't grip too hard and mess up my hands/wrists), but that's a lot harder to do on this one. Going back to the PS4 controller, it feels so light and comfortable by comparison.

So lame that you can't use any other controller with PS5-version games.

I felt like the handles were too big too, but I'm slowly getting adjusted to it. It is hard not to do the finger curl you mention

ps4 controllers work on the ps5 though, yes?
i think elden ring has sold me on buying one of these fucking things asap

they work only on PS4 games played on the system, not PS5 games

ah. well that's not encouraging. the new controller is notably bigger is what i'm hearing here?

the appeal is just for loading tbh. the 20 second lag after death and minute to start elements of those games always bugs the shit out of me.

I'd say it's mostly still a Dualshock 4 but the touchpad area, handles and triggers are enlarged, theoretically because of the new haptic feedback features.
The build quality is REALLY nice imo (it better be, considering how much they cost - $75!)

I think games can be programmed to make exceptions, at least I vaguely heard about Guilty Gear Strive having support for PS4 fightsticks. but i gather most PS5 native titles won't bother to

SSD loading seems muuuuuuuch better than the traditional HD from what i can tell so far, but i haven't made direct comparisons with old PS4 titles, since i'll install the PS5 version if available

I do love the general interface and store speed improvements. Still need to buy a big external HD to transfer my PS4 games to, since the PS5 drive is kinda small at 825GB

PS5 controller is good, although I’ve been using it on PC so the adaptive trigger support isn’t there. The theory is that some of the cross-platform games (next Horizon one) might support that on PC

it's a little interesting in NBA 2K22, different levels of feedback/resistance depending on the court situation

hopefully developers actually use the feature but outside of Sony first-party it'll be just like every other controller gimmick left out on the highway to rot

I also do some weird stuff in Dark Souls games where I use my left pointer finger on the d-pad to change items while running (otherwise, if you move your thumb then you stop moving), that's harder on this controller.

Apparently you can run the PS4 version of Elden Ring on a PS5 and actually get a better frame rate, at a cost of...less grass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9VPswqixd0

I also do some weird stuff in Dark Souls games where I use my left pointer finger on the d-pad to change items while running (otherwise, if you move your thumb then you stop moving), that's harder on this controller.

That sounds kinda like the claw grip, so it's not that weird! (I tried it a few times but I'm probably too old to adapt to a new way of holding a controller.)

the first time i had a go with the PS5 controller i thought it was a bit chonky but since i've been using it all the time it feels just fine

Oh yeah I guess that is the grip, except I just do it situationally

I think games can be programmed to make exceptions, at least I vaguely heard about Guilty Gear Strive having support for PS4 fightsticks. but i gather most PS5 native titles won't bother to

fightsticks are a special case, officially licensed ps4 sticks will work with ps5 games

the pads do work as you say, ds4 is only for ps4 games

this is the ps5 thread and for people with a 4 the advantages of owning the 5 and getting substantial improvements on games they already own is undeniable but other than that it's hard to recommend it instead of the xbox series x: same price, better hardware, compatible with many games from og xbox and 360 (often with improvements), better pad and gamepass ultimate if you like subscription services

ultimately there's always the wildcard of niche japanese stuff and (with the exception of the 360) xbox consoles always do terribly there but more and more it seems that everything is multiplatform and if anything, the switch is the one to get for that given it's the dominant console in the region

I think the direction from Sony is that they’re going to be putting a lot of their first/second-party games on PC now, possibly with less-delayed releases.

Someone up at corporate finally asked why other companies are making money on merchandise, well-loved franchises, movie and tv deals, etc when Sony has a movie division and they’ve got next to nothing unless you count licensed properties like Spider-Man.

I'm confused by your wording - do you mean Sony Corporate should exploit SCEA and pump out more tie-in games ala Warner Bros. or the reverse which is happening with the Uncharted movie, Last of US TV series, etc?

The latter. I guess given the framing, Spider-Man’s a bad example since it’s just a property they’re basing multiple things on, across media.

The fact they’re developing stuff now is the indicator that they’re trying to finally get this whole train rolling. I think there’s also a Twisted Metal tv show in the works

okay, i got the PS5 direct call and i have to elden ring so what other games do i get when i buy this dumb fuckin' thing?
i'm thinking spiderman: miles and demons souls.

people seem to rate returnal...

next horizon game seems like it’s hitting early next year! feel free to postpone if it’s not ready, game dudes

I guess it's a good time to get into Destiny if you haven't before? They just made the Forsaken expansion free so there's a ton of content to plough through before you have to think about paying anything, and it looks and plays great on ps5.

(Course I'm saying this as someone who played Destiny consistently from 2014 to 2019 then managed to break myself free, only to get sucked back in a couple of months ago, so I know I'm not a trustworthy source. Still, it's really good at the moment).

I think I have it on my account from when it was on PS+, maybe I'll try it over the holidays. Wanted to get back into Avengers though....

i never touched destiny, though multiplayer shooters tend to give me hives

Oh yeah agreed and PvP is still nightmarish but the co-op and/or solo PvE bits are where the fun is.

well at that price i'm sold.
also i can finally get my bugsnax on. and i suppose now's the time to give control a spin.

yesssss Control!
and Miles Morales a no-brainer of course

Loved the look and feel and tone and atmosphere of Control, just wish it'd been more interesting to actually play.

that was my take exactly for the two hours i tried it on ps4
some of the FMV gave me early 90's flashbacks

i loved control, i never got sick of throwing desks at people. esp once you can fly. also the ashtray maze.

play death stranding if you havent already, i bet its extra beautiful and good on ps5.

i never got sick of throwing desks at people.

Ghosts of Tsushima also got a fancy PS5 update.

If you haven't played Destiny 2 in a while, it is a trip to go back in there.

PS5 should be well-equipped to play Control!

I think I’ve admitted it, but I did a halfassed play through on PS4 (not pro) and then got a sweet PC built and played all the DLC

Bugsnax is also on PS4, if that's something you already have.

Yeah but the ps+ version which is ps5 only

lol the wait to buy a ps5 direct from sony, presuming you got a special invite sent just to you, is about 40 minutes!

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i just wanna play astros playroom
and knack

alright, that worked out okay. Free shipping and a $50 discount. Got the disc console (fuck digital only), an extra controller, spider morales and demons souls. Now to preorder Elden Ring!

nice, congrats

this presumes i have not been catfished and that my visa is now being used to purchase a used car in lansing

haha, i had the EXACT same feeling when i got through the queue. too good to be true

i mean i paid these exact same guys hundreds of dollars for a piece of hardware that supports mostly the same game experience as the one i bought from them six years ago so i dunno about "too good to be true" exactly but hey it's my dumbass consumer experience

the used car is in spokane actually

xp i meant more like after how difficult it's been to even be able to buy one this entire past year! it's like a mirage...

No, I agree. It feels weird to not only get it at msrp but with a substantial discount. And delivered!

There's a Kotaku headline that reads "The PlayStation 5 Got Some Great Games In 2021 But Not Much Else." Did it even get many great games? Not that many great exclusives, I know that much. Even if it was easy to buy and at a lower price I don't have reason to upgrade my PS4 yet. All the stuff on my radar - God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Elden Ring - has been announced for PS4 as well. I wonder, given the scarcity of the system, if its availability will sort itself out by the time it *does* get a wave of great exclusives.

as i've pointed out a million times, other than bloodborne all the big PS4 games came out in 2017 or later

which would be the equivalent of 2024 or later for PS5

No, you're absolutely right. But how long did it take for Playstation to stop producing games that worked on the PS4 *and* PS3? Did they keep releasing dual compatibility games for a long while? I wonder if PS is stressing that new title dual compatibility because it's so hard to get a PS5? Like, maybe they're afraid to release their potential blockbusters on a system that no one can buy (even though people are apparently buying it, though I assume that may be kind of like concerts selling out immediately and then tickets appearing on the secondary market the next day).

Iirc, a couple of those upcoming big titles were assumed to be PS5 exclusives, and that news they would be out for PS4 too came as pleasant surprises.

cross-gen games usually take 2 years to go away for AAA and first party stuff but maybe it'll be longer this time due to the console shortage

longer for japanese games especially with the localization delay added in e.g. persona 5 and yakuza 0 are both PS3 games that came out in english in 2017

Totally forgot those were PS3-era! crazy. like GTA V

atlus will definitely release their PS4 game in 2025

So Bloodborne aside, what was the first big must-have AAA game that was PS4 exclusive?

Uncharted 4 came out in May 2016.

yeah it was that or FF15 in late 2016 depending on your proclivities

i guess it depends on whether you mean exclusive to playstation or exclusive to the new consoles

Exclusive to new Playstation is what I'm thinking. That is, a reason to get a Playstation specifically rather than just a new console/PC, period. Like, are the new Xboxes hard to get? I guess not, because I think I can order one on Amazon right now.

Spiderman 2 is the actual answer for what the first big PS5-only game is going to be. i think it's due out in 2023

the cheaper xbox model is easier to get than a PS5, the full-on one is about the same deal i think

i did a tally of what, with PS+, I'll be immediately playing on the PS5 (coming today theoretically!):
Demon Souls
Spider Morales
Bugsnax
Astro’s Playroom
Subnautica (upgraded)
Control (upgraded)
Maquette
Maneater
Overcooked
Destiny 2
Plague Tale
Oddworld: Soulstorm
Mortal Shell (upgraded)
Radiohead game
Elden Ring (Late February)

Equally, or maybe even more interesting, I'll have access to an extensive digital PS4 library that should hopefully instaload once I put everything on an external 5tb drive:
Absolver
Abzu
Alien Isolation
Binding of Isaac
Bioshock Collection
Bioshock Infinite
Bloodborne
Broken Age
Celeste
Dark Souls 2
Dark Souls 3
Day of the Tentacle Remastered
Grim Fandango Remastered
Days Gone
Dead Cells
Dead Nation
Dead Rising 2
Death Stranding
Divinity: Original Sin
Doom
Dragon Quest 11
Enter the Gungeon
Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture
Fez
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Final Fantasy XV
Firewatch
Flower
Furi
God of War
God of War III
Hitman 2
Hohokum
Hollow Knight
Horizon Chase Turbo
Horizon Zero Dawn
Inside
Invisible Inc
Jackbox Party Pack
Journey
Just Cause 3 and 4
Last of Us
Limbo
Lumo
Mega Man Legacy
Metal Gear Solid 5
Mortal Kombat X
Nier: Autonoma
Nioh
Outer Wilds
Pac Man Championship Edition 2
Persona 5
Pixeljunk Shooter Ultimate
Pyre
Rayman Legends
Red Dead 2
Rez Infinite
Rocket League
Salt and Sanctuary
Sekiro
Shadow of Mordor
Shadow of Tomb Raider
Shadow of the Colossus
Sniper Elite 4
Sonic Mania
Sound Shapes
Spelunky
Spider Man
Steamworld Dig
Super Meat Boy
Tearaway Unfolded
Thumper
Titan Souls
Transistor
Uncharted 4
Uncharted Collection
Until Dawn
Valkyria Chronicles
What Remains of Edith Finch
Wipeout Collection
Witcher 3
The Witness
XCom 2
Yakuza 0
Yoku’s Island Express

My next on deck list:
Nioh 2
13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
Returnal
Disco Elysium
Psychonauts 2

And the maybes:
Ghost of Tsushima
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
Deathloop
Chicory
Cyberpunk 2077
Last of Us 2
Shovel Knight
Doom Eternal
Ni No Kuni 2
Dark Souls Remastered
Last of Us 2

presuming the upscaling and the drastically reduced loadtimes are real, i think it'll be worth it. TBRR, this is all about elden ring tho.

ohhhhhhhh elden ring

ni no kuni 2 wasn't very good sadly, you can feel the exact moment where they ran out of dev time and had to copy&paste/palette swap their way into a full length game, and it's only like 10-15 hours in

That was my take on the first one, I had heard it improved? Guess not.

You held out on Last of Us 2?? yeah i guess it was "controversial" but a masterpiece imo

that's next for me after dark souls 2.

TLOU2, the game so nice forks listed it twice.

(Also, yay Chicory! Although that just got announced for Switch, too.)

Some PS4 games on my radar as possible PS5 purchases:

Heavenly Bodies: A nice couch co-op option.
Solar Ash: Journey meets Jet Set Radio?
Chorvs: The space combat seems fun.
Death's Door: Play as a tough little goth crow in this Zelda-like.
Rider's Republic: I enjoyed the demo for this.
Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy: Everyone I know who's played it has liked it more than they thought they would.
TOEM (PS5 only): Seems like it might be the "A Short Hike" of this year? Short but adorable and memorable. "Chicory"'s also a contender in that department.

My bf bought himself a PS5, so far this is the only game that has caught my attention: Stray

Yeah, Is that the cat one? I could have sworn there a couple of cat video games coming out. both looked pretty good. This one is also coming out on PS4!

Ooh, what's the other cat one, do you remember? (This is a cat one too, yes.)

I am a new PS4 owner and I enjoyed to buy God Of War for $10 today

I will not play it until I complete Bloodborne though

xpost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6eEYtfVsw

As it happens, i never got through the first Last of Us. I love the attempt to get better writing and voice acting but the naughty dog playstyle somehow never clicked for me.

So far, the speed and clarity of the system are impressive. Demons Souls holds up well and is just as frustrating as remembered.

Time to break this down for those who are complaining:

Simply put--- The chip shortage/ Scalping/fast selling of the systems are causing Sony to make more PS4 PROS in order to still allow consumers to play most of the new games that are coming out in the mean time. 1/2

— DBGTX🐝🇩🇴 (@DBGTX_YT) January 12, 2022

Well, no not quite. They're not making more Pro models, those were discontinued at the start of 2021 and they're not coming back. The only PS4 model they still produce is the 500GB Slim, and that's still going to be the case. I don't think they're even accelerating production on those, they're just postponing the discontinuation, which was going to be some time in 2022 and now isn't.

Got myself a fancy OLED telly but now I kind of want a PS5 of course. Looks like I'll have to wait.

Some stock around at the moment (especially if you are - or know - a BT broadband customer):

https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/gadgets-tech/video-games-consoles/ps5-uk-stock-restock-today-b1991314.html

wonder if this is gonna extend the period of cross-gen games for an extra year or two over usual. in past cycles we'd be getting the first big PS5-only games next holiday season

Put me down as a vote for this system. A 5 tb external drive allows for like 250 ps4 games, which is most of what I have been playing. The load speed and lack of “loading updates” bullshit, the speed of access to the shop and video, the quality of the joystick and the general polish on every game has made this well worth the purchase.

“Finished” demons souls and moved on to dark souls but I got guardians of the galaxy and think I might switch over to that because I am getting fromsoft life burn in where I am considering rolling down the subway steps

You like the controller? I'm genuinely considering installing the PS4 version of Elden Ring on PS5 just so I can use the old controller. :/ New one seems so heavy and forward-balanced, hard to hold without gripping in my small hands.

Note that I often play video games while on an exercise bike, which I grant is atypical.

i am not into guardians of the galaxy at all, the controls are about as responsive as an assassin's creed game and it seems to be mostly corridor walking with puzzles designed for cretins.

also, video game writing, there's a lot of it in GOTG and it's bad.

i was confused by how many people were giving that one the 'no its actually good' treatment. i dont believe it for a second

I’m usually a PC gamer—I haven’t owned a console since PS2—but bought a used PS4 Pro so I could play Finally Fantasy VII Remake and Ghost of Tsushima. (I didn’t think I had a chance to get a 5, and didn’t want to wait for some indeterminate date until they might be more available). I couldn’t believe that thing: even after thoroughly cleaning the fan and unit, it was as loud as a hair dryer on medium at all times. I had to play exclusively with headphones to block the noise, and even with the home office door closed, my partner could hear it from the apartment kitchen. I kept it for maybe a month before selling it and lucking out on a PS5 invite. So even though I’ve so far mostly played upgraded versions of PS4 games, it’s been a vast improvement: completley silent and quick. Though I did feel a bit guilty that I, someone who doesn’t care very much about consoles, got one while diehard gamers didn’t.

forks I definitely think you should play the first half of DS1 and then enjoy the entirety DS3, I am flipping out about how good it is

Lol I have played and “beaten” every fromsoft game at least once and most twice already. Just warming up for elden ring.

I do like the new joystick though I can’t imagine using it while biking!

Sorry to hear that Guardians may have been oversold. Will report back.

But yes, ds3 is a spectacular experience and I walk around in some of those dungeons in my mind in lieu of counting sheep at night.

Looks like even BT have run out!

I'm still shopping for a new USB external for my PS5 - any recommendations? I'm worried about future regret buying an external non-SSD, but damn those SSDs are so much more expensive. Still baffled why people would buy 1TB internal SSD replacements for a tiny increase over the 875GB built-in.

Also, I have access to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls on my seventh-generation consoles. Am I much better off buying the remasters to jump in or is it basically OK just play them on the PS3/Xbox? (Or should I jump to Bloodborne/new entries, screw it?)

The remasters are pretty and 60fps, but honestly there's nothing wrong with the originals. I played Demon's on PS3 (which I borrowed specifically for the occasion) and thought it looked great, but I'm easily satisfied when it comes to graphics.

I guess the main difference will be online play, because PS3 Demon's Souls servers no longer exist, and I can't imagine anyone is playing the non-remastered version of Dark Souls online (if that's even possible).

Is online play a big part of the experience? I thought these were primarily masocore single player action games

Yes and no. They can definitely be that, and for me that's the most satisfying way to play the main game (rather than summoning helpers). But all the games have a unique online style:
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/online

The main things are summoning people for help, and invading other people's worlds to act as an obstacle/getting invaded by other people. Personally I find invasions to be the best mechanic ever, it's so much more interesting and unpredictable than playing some competitive online game where things are meant to be 'balanced'. But it's also a whole metagame on its own and not really worth getting into until you've played through and gotten comfortable with the single player version.

The big difference maker for me is that you respawn and travel with about a five second lag instead of thirty seconds. Over the course of the game, that prevented likely ten hours of sitting and waiting and altered the way I was willing to play (and farm)

But the graphic upgrade for demons is fucking huge and really should be seen. The speaker in the joystick (and to a lesser extent the haptic feedback) are tremendously immersive and enjoyable. Plus you can connect headphones directly to the controller which has been a revelation.

Tbh I am too skittish a person to really enjoy the pvp experience and pandemic life has only made that worse. The single player game (supported by outside help to murder bosses) has always been my method of gameplay

A friend lent me the Demon's PS5 disc, I should really put it in the machine one of these days

xp, makes sense, thinking back on it I remember the toughest part of getting into pvp was just the nerves due to being observed by another human in a game that's largely solitary. After you get over that the rest works itself out. :)

You really should! I think you would be impressed

thx for the input gents! i'll chew on it.

This is the external drive I am using

https://www.amazon.com/WD_Black-Drive-External-Compatible-WDBA3A0050BBK-WESN/dp/B07VNTFHD5/

> Plus you can connect headphones directly to the controller which has been a revelation

you also can do that in the PS4 with the DS4. or is this about the 3d audio thing they were touting?
I'm legit curious about that, do you find it a meaningful improvement vs regular stereo or it's just more marketing bs?

i mean, i guess i never noticed that was an option? in the past two years, i finally got decent soundblocking headphones and got the necessary wires to connect them, so i think this is more of a me thing than a tech thing. But the sound is fucking great in something like demon souls and genuinely feels like it's directional... so i dunno!