Cyberpunk 2077

Despite some bad press, I couldn't resist so I picked this up.

Have yet to experience a bug after the first hour, fwiw.

what's the bad press saying?

have to admit, as a Witcher 3 fan I'm psyched

ah glitches and stuff, not necessarily the game. i'm sure patches will smooth it out eventually.

Seems that it doesn't run very well on original PS4 & X Box

Literally unplayable on my Dreamcast

I know some people had noted that all the advance gameplay released/leaked was from the computer version, which conspicuously was the only version the company provided to reviewers, iirc.

little bit funny that this game runs like shit on a console generation that hadn't even been released when they began work on it

well, i'm downloading it to my PS4 anyway. Witcher 3 is my favourite game of recent times so I'm psyched

let us know which genitals you pick

i think word's gotten around pretty well by now but there was a sequence in the game that was giving people seizures so be careful out there if you're epileptic

I hear it's not much of an RPG, as in: it's even more scripted/cinematic/railroaded than the usual AAA fare. I'm still going to play it, though – just not now. When the GOTY edition with all the DLCs goes on sale in December 2022, that'll be my cue. Hopefully I'll also have a better rig by then.

yeah most of the impressions i've heard are that it really doesnt have much shared dna with witcher at all and that it's more like a bigger fancier version of the later deus ex games. plus some GTA in the open world design

will hopefully have patched in further dong sliders by then too

also lots of broken animations and characters t-posing even in major story scenes

I'm hearing that the driving is not so nice, which concerns me.

Can’t be worse than Roach

I will not be playing this:

1. I find Witcher 3 wildly overpraised for its rather rudimentary writing (I'll grant that its dialogue has personality).
2. It's a first-person game, and as someone who's sensitive to motion sickness, seeing the game's driving instantly made me dizzy.

driving on pc kinda sucks, i wonder if it would be better on console. although CDPR primarily develops for PC so i dunno

For my money, there's maybe a couple of CRPGs (Planescape: Torment, Disco Elysium) that top TW3 in the writing department (well, as far as the side quests are concerned – its main quest was middling at best), so which ones did you have in mind, Leee?

eh, footage I've seen is third person driving and first person walking/fighting. You can't do the latter in a third person view?

Thinking to try this, it's the first time I've had the hardware to run the hot new thing. And the motif is cool. I'm generally witch averse.

Multiplayer apparently isn't coming til 2022 or even later. Lots of time to get decent at it!

i will play this when i get a ps5, sometime late next year

up until recently i was planning on being an early ps5 adopter, but then my macbook pro exploded so that ps5 became a mac mini. life is so hard

Depending what part of the MacBook exploded, that could've been a nice Mini

Maybe get it on Stadia?

https://www.vg247.com/2020/11/19/cyberpunk-2077-comes-free-copy-stadia-premiere/

They reportedly hit more than a million simultaneous players on Steam. I can't remember the last time a game was hyped this hard.

shame to see another death march rewarded

it's 2077. Ashton and Dax are up to it again.

so which ones did you have in mind, Leee?

Not any RPGs I can think of, tbh (though if we broaden to narrative-driven games, I'd say anything from Naughty Dog would be an obvious improvement). I mean, I'm probably cherry-picking, but there was one Skellige sidequest that just made me give up on the game entirely: Geralt helping the daughter of the thane (or whatever his title) exorcise a haunted place that involved cooking a baby but no not really.

Fair enough! Btw that one didn't especially bother me. I get the sense that very few players actually went through with Cerys's plan, which is so obviously batshit that it's almost an Easter egg. Anyhow, I think Hearts of Stone is the best-written yarn in the whole series..

lol didn't know we had this feature

speaking of stadia, has anybody tried it?

now that i'm working from home, i.e. sitting in my office on zoom for 6-9 hrs a day, i'm using a wired "gigabit" connection that reliably gets 300-500 Mbps (depending on the time of day)

maybe it would make sense?

there was some discussion on the google gaming thread but it didn't seem like anybody ever gave it a shot

i'm thinking since i don't really care at all for multiplayer gaming maybe the lag wouldn't bother me as much as it does other ppl

If I hadn't upgraded my computer recently I definitely would have considered it to play this game. But not for an extra $100.

a pal of mine has stadia and said it works. have to have 'fuck you' internet though, which it sounds like you do

90% of the commentary on this on the web has been “it runs like poop.” Is the *game* any good ?

you can have two dongs

you can make ur char a sex offender
https://i.imgur.com/wH8o144.jpg

lol barcode, I admire your commitment to the dong.

smash that mf'ing RB
https://i.imgur.com/IqM3PUO.jpg

https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Boogie-Nights-Dirk-Diggler-Mirror.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370

you can choose whether you have nipples but you can't be fat

pic.twitter.com/UHlE7E4WC1 https://t.co/iT1lYQ3ttO

— Rob Keyes (@rob_keyes) December 10, 2020

Having never bought a big AAA PC title digitally... it makes no difference where I buy it, right? I guess the developer has some tie with gog.com, and the game's subreddit is yelling at people to buy it there. gog.com is prominently advertising "100% of your money goes to" the developer as if they are starving artists. No doubt it's pretty wild at that studio right now but it's weird to see the Bandcamp-style promo for such a huge release.

I use Steam in-home streaming sometimes, but I can just add it in to Steam and it'll be the same as if I bought it there, right? Don't care about Steam achievements and all that.

GOG is DRM-free, which means you don't need their launcher to run the game.

it's weird to see the Bandcamp-style promo for such a huge release

not only that, they made public the fact that developers get 10% of revenue ... for 2020 sales only. buy the game now or the dev gets it!

OK OK OK !

yeah cd projekt owns GOG so they obviously want you to buy their game on their own site so they dont have to pay steam the 30% cut or whatever it is

lol cdpr has been doing that "100% of proceeds go to the CDPR fund" thing for years to make you feel like you're donating to charity and not a company that famously underpays and overworks its employees

valve sucks too just buy it on whatever you want

Don't buy it on PS4 or XBox One though

ooh bonus digital comic book

i buy everything on gog cuz no drm and you don’t have to load a frontend to play it, not that they don’t really want you to load their frontend these days.

i literally forgot i preordered this. don’t know when i did it. it almost-runs. definitely a deus ex / gta hybrid, and i mean if you’d told me it was that i probably would have bought it, so can’t complain, altho haven’t played enough to judge it yet. the driving is indeed bad, probably because gta is designed for sticks and deus ex is designed for m+k.

i don’t think choice+consequence is what makes something an rpg but obv that’s a pedantic rabbit hole; it’s as good as anything else.

I usually prefer GOG too but I'm kind of angry at them right now because their customer service is ass. I assume Steam's is no better, though.

(well maybe i do but having it in char development and not in story is sufficient.)

all i'm hearing about is dongs and glitches and whatnot, how is the actual game?

that is the game

https://i.imgur.com/tyHtWce.jpg

There's loads of glitch effects by design so who's to say really.

First 45 minutes went fine. I can see why it's first person as there's cutscene sequences and other elements that utilize that (I'm a "street kid" and a cop knocked me out) and they're going for this kind of immersion or whatever.. but hopefully there'll be third person for multiplayer?

Friend got it on PS4 Pro and said it seemed mostly fine out of the gate. Quickly turned to shit apparently as it opened up.

Was watching footage of the X-Box equivalent of the Pro and it was running around 20 fps and lower. Don't think I've seen a modern game look/run that poorly on a console.

Def a next-gen/beefy pc purchase only, and even then it seems like it's months away from being reliably playable. Hard to say if the core game is any good or not in the first place.

*Removes Bookmark from this Thread

idk what you're looking for re: "cut the performance chatter, is this any fun?" when it's seemingly unplayable dude

watch some pc reviews or something

"it's seemingly unplayable" is not the universal spirit in this thread, just on the internet at large. which i don't trust.
So presuming you can play it, of course I'm curious about if it's fun.

It's not just internet randos tho, plenty of reviewers have complained about it as well.

i diggit, seeking confirmation here, which is largely absent...?

Will report in a couple of years. 😎

Ouch:

https://www.ign.com/articles/cd-projekt-red-stock-decline-cyberpunk-2077

It's definitely playable. Flatmate has been playing it and his review is: "It's fine". It runs well on his PC and I've watched a few continuous Twitch streams and it looks good there too. I'd echo GTA comparisons and it also reminds me of like LA Noire or Heavy Rain a bit with all the criminal secrecy and unexpected interruptions (but my reference points are limited). I kind of can't wait to play it.

what about the dicks tho

You can craft your own dongle later on if you invest in engineering.

i'm gonna show my age and bafflement here, but i remember the Cpunk 2020 tabletop, and it was terrible! like it seemed even to us teenagers as a really tired retread of cyberpunk stuff in the mid-90s. and the system was really dated too.

and i gather that Keanu is playing the rock star character the writers came up with as cultural color. some of his "lyrics" are preserved on the internet, funny enough

here's 20jfg doing a thing on them in 2016: http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2016/02/the-future-is-disposable-and-so-are-you-pt-1-cyberpunk-2020-role-soundtracks-1-solo/

this is a shadowrun board (lol) from 2003:

http://forums.dumpshock.com/lofiversion/index.php/t1847.html

Req
Nov 14 2003, 10:36 PM
With his breakthrough hit "Chippin' In" and his second album "A Cool Metal Fire," Johnny Silverhand exemplifies all that's wrong with CP202x music. Stupid little bastard.

Got the metal beneath my skin / I'm chippin' in

Riight. Listened to any real music lately, R. Talsorian? Sheesh.

at a base level it's just odd CDPR went this direction after the witcher. who wanted this?

i don't make too much of an effort keep my finger on the pulse of the world of video gaming but judging by what i've been hearing on the internet basically everyone

I'm about 2 hours in and enjoying it! Gameplay wise it's totally Deus Ex + GTA but it doesn't look like its advanced the genre or anything, it just seems a good example of a AAA game. They do the ray tracing of having lots of shiny surfaces and fog, but they do look REALLY fancy. THe hype is too high but I'm enjoying it for what it is.

On my OK-but-not-great PC (6600k/2060) it runs kinda bad? I think the CPU is the bottleneck but on medium at 1080p with RT and DLSS I can just about make 30fps. I've had one mission glitch out and I had to load an earlier save to get through, and there's the odd hilarious glitch of people walking through walls or cars appearing from below the tarmac or whatever. Definitely better shape than when Skyrim dropped and I played the hell out of that so maybe being old has just got me used to harsher times and kids today don't know how good they've got it, they've never had to configure AUTOEXEC.BAT to get the sound card working grumble grumble.

i really enjoyed this article

https://www.pastemagazine.com/games/shadowrun/shadowrun-review/

xxp to goole

we played a lot of r talsorian cyberpunk 2020 and shadowrun as teenagers, i still have first editions of each in my roleplaying game bookcase. you are otm, both are super campy and full of dumb slang and silly attempts to be edgy. we totally always played both for yuks, but i think we played a lot more cyberpunk (judging from the condition of the book) probably because it was more campy than shadowrun.

the system wasn't that bad especially compared to shadowrun's dice pools which made absolutely no sense. it was so quick and dirty and easy to understand, i mean you can sum in the entire system pretty much in a parenthetical (d10 + stat + skill vs difficulty level of 5/10/15/20/25/30)

sum up*

they've never had to configure AUTOEXEC.BAT to get the sound card working grumble grumble

lmao

i remember spending like an entire week downloading ultima vii on a dialup connection. that shit was like a dozen 3.5 floppies!

Cyberpunk 2020 was fine when it came out in 1988. By the mid-90s yeah, it would be dated both mechanically and in it's cheesy aesthetic. But it captured the vibe of the pulpy cyberpunk stuff like Hardwired really well.

i played part of a cyberpunk 2020 campaign earlier this year. it was pretty fun, but then i got into a big fight with the GM and blew it up

honestly, though, i thought i would be really pumped up to play 2077, and maybe i'm letting too much of the negative reviews/bugs stuff influence me, but i am in no mood to play it right now

then i got into a big fight with the GM and blew it up

couldn't agree who got dong 1 and who got dong 2 huh

i have pdfs of all the shadowrun and cyberpunk books; if that's anyone's madeleine, ilx mail me and i'll pass them along

for some reason, the thing i got most obsessed with as a kid with cyberpunk was the monomolecular garrote where it spools in your knuckle and you pop off your fingertip to pull it out. i thought that was the COOLEST

forks are you aware of THE TROVE

well i am now! how are they not getting c+d letters every day?

idk i figure either some kind of pirate bay-esque "our server is in international waters on an oil platform" type fuckery or maybe the $$$ lost in pirating dnd books is just real small potatoes

just like the pirate bay they tend to go down for a few weeks every so often before they find a new host with an even more obscure top level domain

it's a ridiculous collection, even on a cursory look around

yes it's very comprehensive!

at a base level it's just odd CDPR went this direction after the witcher. who wanted this?

I want a cool cyberpunk (note lowercase) RPG! But as my luck would have it, CDPR were the ones to develop it. :(

The Shadowruns were pretty well received, no? I only started playing the first one and it seemed solid.

oh wow lg thanks for the tip, hours of fun in there

full of dumb slang and silly attempts to be edgy.

i'm trying to remember all the fake words for "dude," "fuck" and "cocaine" that these games came up with now

at a base level it's just odd CDPR went this direction after the witcher. who wanted this?

every major studio with a big open world fantasy franchise has to also have a big open world sci-fi franchise and vice versa so it was only a matter of time

There is a cyberpunk book bundle at the moment for what it's worth

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/cyberpunk-r-talsorian-books

the driving is ridiculous, in a good way for me. Like sometimes I'll turn on GTA for 15 minutes just to cruise around and die. So yknow often I'll stop solid many times in collisions. In this game you can basically hit a car at speed and go under its wheels.

And then I found another car that just went right through all the other cars. Yeah pretty buggy.

GTA but more RPG-like: i didn't have the toughness stats to steal the magic car, but i could still shoot the guy and take it

Just gave it a quick test run on PS4 and while I haven't encountered any noticeable glitches, this comes across slightly unfinished, rough round the edges and overall a bit of a hot mess

There's something a bit hackneyed about the aesthetic too. I get that this is "cyberpunk" but so far it's not exactly a twist on an old favourite, rather I can't work out if it's meant to be parodic or not

its an adaptation of a specific tabletop rpg from the 80s that as ppl said upthread was already hackneyed at the time

i'm trying to remember all the fake words for "dude," "fuck" and "cocaine" that these games came up with now

― goole

sounds like you got brain burned from too much wizz, choomba!

The Shadowruns were pretty well received, no? I only started playing the first one and it seemed solid.

― pomenitul

yeah i started shadowrun returns (2013) and it was pretty good!

i have no idea why i'm even considering a stadia subscription tbh i haven't finished a video game since borderlands 1 (and the last one i even came close to finishing before that was bioshock 1)

early returns on this seem dire both in this thread and elsewhere; I am writing it off at least until i get a PS5

the subreddit for this game is kind of hilarious rn

Are we talking bugs or peppy true believers struggling to keep it positive

holy shit @ some of the screenshots: https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumCyberpunk/comments/kbptgt/its_mind_blowing_how_great_the_game_looks_in_4k/

Whut

Are we talking bugs or peppy true believers struggling to keep it positive

― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, December 12, 2020 1:30 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

terms like 'betrayal' are coming up frequently

details matter cd projekt needs to do better

C'mon @CyberpunkGame, of all the bugs, this is the worst! There may be some canon reason why German manhole covers are used in Night City. But, please, DIN B125 is only allowed approved for pedestrian walkways. On roads, it should be a Begu D400 to support the weight! pic.twitter.com/i3nl0bn0vF

— Wintermute (@ClipperChip) December 11, 2020

from a great distance, eurogamer review seemed likely the most honest one i've seen
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-12-10-cyberpunk-2077-review-intoxicating-potential-half-undermined-half-met

it's almost as if they should have delayed it's release to kill the bugs

*ducks*

“There seem to only be a handful of items to be found in Cyberpunk 2077's world: playing cards, alcohol, junk food, and an absolute sea of dildos.”

so is it worth getting a refund on the base PS4 version, or better to just wait out for updates and patches? i just wonder if the game mechanics themselves will be improved, or if all they're going to do is to prevent it crashing and glitching? so far, the whole thing feels really unfinished

I have a feeling the last gen releases aren’t going to get much better, performance wise. But I believe those with a PS4 version can upgrade it for free to the PS5 version whenever that’s officially released. If that matters to you.

Seems like there’s plenty to bitch about unrelated to bugs or performance issues. Like the car stuff is apparently pretty crappy. And car traffic has basically non-existent AI. Like you can shoot at people’s cars and they don’t really react. And they look like they’re tethered together like train cars going along a track. They also awkwardly pivot along a center axis. Cops apparently just “warp in” when you commit a crime. Pedestrian AI appears comically rough too. For a game that’s all about immersion, there’s a lot breaking it.

yeah... i mean, i can forgive bugs and glitches so long as they're not game-breaking and they get fixed with updates... but from the very beginning (and bear in mind i've played it all of 90 minutes) there's already a feeling that something's off.

the UI is fiddly. tiny boxes vs an over-sensitive cursor means i have trouble clicking on the thing i want it to. yet at other times it doesn't seem to respond to what i press until i hit the button for the third time. i also experienced some drift in the menu sections which i don't on other games.
as well as this, there's a fuzzy, slightly flashy quality to the menu borders that gives me a headache whenever i try to read any of the netrunner emails.

NPCs don't seem to respond in any sort of realistic way. in Witcher 3, people jump out the way, or spit, curse, make remarks etc. here, you can walk right up to someone and breathe in their face and they'll continue idling away in their animation loop, dead eyed and doing nothing. you have to be exactly the right distance away to initiate a "talk" option, and it doesn't always seem to work.

the short amount of time i was in a car was horrible. a ridiculous amount of acceleration but handles really strangely and unlike anything i've played in other games.

really, it's as though the fundamental details haven't been drilled down on at all. there's certainly a plan of a game here, but it's entirely surface-level and feels like an undeveloped industry demo. i'm not expecting better graphics (they could be less headache inducing, mind), but just a similar level of detail to Witcher or GTA would be great.

It is absolutely 100% a proof of the power of built-up goodwill that this apology for intentionally hiding the state of a game on 25% of launch platforms & likely crunching another two months for good boy tokens is going over so well with folks. Kudos for the refund thing, tho. https://t.co/RwrIIdTj11

— Rami Ismail (رامي) (@tha_rami) December 14, 2020

Their sly alt-right dogwhistles probably shored up a lot of that existing goodwill with a large % of their fanbase who are normally the type of people to get very animated about this shit

lol this wheelchair clip

pic.twitter.com/60hqo7JdLx

— Alex Prior 3̷͉͇̮͆̑́̓̓̋͗̇̚4̸̲̻̬̞̪̩̟̙͍̼̻̾̔̍͋̆͗͒̔̋͌͜͠ (@Alex_Prior_0) December 14, 2020

Alt right dogwhistles?

i guess making out that disabled people are on the make is one thing...

the irony of those memes from a couple of years ago featuring bodged jobs accompanied by the Cyberpunk logo is really coming into its own now

witcher 3 was a mess at release, this will probably be worse if the number of times its been delayed is any indication

― ciderpress, Monday, December 7, 2020 11:27 AM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

we all knew this was a likely possibility

I loved the background for the Underground ttrpg which took lots of cyberpunk (and early 1990s) tropes and just turned everything up to 11. The system was such utter shite, though.

this game is for ballers only thats why losers hate it

This is currently my favorite Cyberpunk bug. Driving around and seeing my characters bare ass t-posing through the car. pic.twitter.com/9frIi4XDve

— CyberManLives (@Ggdograa) December 13, 2020

As my graphics card has passed into obsolescence (and try buying a GPU at any discount in 2020), I've been watching most of the plot through twitch streams. On the high-end PCs of streamers, there haven't been game-breaking bugs, and on sorted systems, only the occasional graphics bug. Clearly C77 was developed on, and for, PCs first.

My sense is that I love visiting the urban design of C77, but the main plot is on tracks and I don't care for the player's character (or Keanu's) at all. Hopefully, by the time I buy this on discount there will be a DLC that provides an entirely new protagonist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunk_ooc/comments/kchecd/lol/

car suplex

Alt right dogwhistles?

https://www.polygon.com/2020/12/4/22058784/cyberpunk-2077-marketing-cd-projekt-red-transphobia

That's pretty bad, yeah, albeit not exactly unexpected coming from a studio based in Andrzej Duda land.

i'm enjoying this tbh. possibly the best deus ex since deus ex (title previously held by dishonored), tho you prob have Too Many Powers. jury's still out on the decision to make it a gta at the same time: on the one hand you have the usual vast blandness settling in; on the other the star of the game is obviously the city itself (a metaphor for whatever) and a dx/witcher1-2 hubs+dungeons structure would have limited its character. (this is the structure of vampire the masquerade bloodlines, a game with a lot to do with this one-- including the way it's on rails but coy about it-- but whose los angeles is just nothing compared to what's brought off here. the ~verticality~ alone.) can't rly speak to the character development / stat system yet; suspect i'll become a big mushy superhero before long, oh well.

the cover system (just, like... crouch behind things... what a concept) warms my 90s-shooter heart. combat in general is pretty damn fun imo for something that's ultimately a janky borderlands.

story seems like nothing special but a serviceable hanger for the environment. i haven't played the tabletop game but posts upthread are otm that its universe is full of 80s cliches-- at the same time the video game's vision of hyperhypercapitalism obviously has a lot of more recent stuff feeding into it ("gotta respect the office!" the deb of night update on the loading screen keeps saying sarcastically, but presumably impotently, about the president) and i def prefer it to grand theft auto's (it uses puerility better) as well as to nu-deus-ex's (people in the street talk about something besides goddam augmentations) as grotesque funhouse mirrors go, tho of course you wouldn't be wrong if you said this particular funhouse mirror became nothing but loving the cage a long time ago.

there doesn't seem to be much meaningful c+c in the story-- just flavor dialogue options-- tho the dialogue is just well-written enough in its forced choices to avoid that fallout 4 feeling of being worked on by an incompetent magician, or having a nightmare. playing a FEMALE-VOICED PERSON and it's nice to play a game like this without having to listen to a geralt/jensen/batman/whoever rasp.

the worst bugs i've experienced have all been text pop-ups refusing to go away. well and that i suspect you can't toggle standing/crouching while reloading. i had to turn all the settings to low, v shameful, but it runs fine; it looks like fallout 3, except, yknow, populated, and you can walk thru doors.

i got better at driving but it's probably a problem that it's not more fun.

oh i haven't had a BRAINDANCE since the one that's just a tutorial for BRAINDANCING but that whole thing def had potential even if it's arguably just a cutscene with some busywork. preferred it to, idk, walking around looking for l.a. noire hotspots.

someone mentioned Killer Mike turning up in this game and it makes so much sense. This is "Run The Jewels, The Game": over-loud, claustrophobic, edgelordy, lacking weight, and hard to endure for more than ten minutes at a time.

y'all otm. Enjoying this a bit at a time. It will probably take me a year or two to beat the story.

Only 3 stars in The Guardian, heh:

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/dec/16/cyberpunk-2077-review-cd-projekt

I'm usually wary of reviewers who take dystopias to task for not being utopias (see: Blade Runner 2049, but Stuart is careful to point out that the execution here is shallow and unconvincing, which… doesn't exactly surprise me, but it still sucks.

been watching a bit on twitch and honestly bar the driving this looks good. dumb story and dialogue stuff that can be a bit edgelord, but coming from the perspective of loving the GTA series not anything I'm not used to.

i'm probably never going to play this game, at least not for the next 10 years, but i've been dropping in twitch streams and there's something about it that i just find deeply unsettling. not in an intentional way, the game world just sort of repulses me and makes me want to stop watching. i think it's maybe two things:

1. i think i just don't like full environment raytracing. it might be getting to a point where the entire game world is entering the uncanny valley. and it all looks very wet. the last generation of graphical achievement resulted in characters that always looked sweaty, now we get whole environments that always look sweaty.
2. based entirely on randomly jumping into different streams, every square inch of the game world seems to follow a really strict design sense that makes it cyberpunky. it's extremely cyberpunky. there's no variance at all. there's something suffocating about the prospect of exploring a massive game world where every location seems interchangeable. the general raytracey sweatiness might make that worse though. the thing about movies like blade runner is you only spend 2 hours with them, you only see the dozen or so locations the filmmaker wants you to see allowing you to extrapolate the rest of the world. actually wandering around the extrapolated parts seems tiresome

There's also the part of the game that looks like Mad Max.

yeah i've found the environment to be very samey for all the work they apparently put into it and yes, a bit unpleasant

So apparently there are dildos intentionally scattered all over this game, built in but also as random drops, because ... reasons? This game seems super weird without being the least bit weird.

Kinda mad that I'm never going to see the "What 2077 was supposed to look like / How 2077 turned out to be" memes in 57 years.

they will be unbearable if there's a dildo shortage that year

Hoo, maybe I should be glad that I won't be around.

"sweaty environments" is very dead on

Kinda mad that I'm never going to see the "What 2077 was supposed to look like / How 2077 turned out to be" memes in 57 years.

Someone in the game is 158 years old so if the medicine side of things is accurate maybe u will!

Its based on a 1988 tabletop roleplaying IP.

A year before James Hansen's congressional testimony on climate change. This future, as envisioned 30+ years ago, feels of nostalgia for that 80s. A dark future, to be sure, but still more optimistic about technological advance than might be speculated today. Three decades of tech incrementalism, Moore's law coming to an end, and looming environmental collapse, has displaced the concerns of 80s cyberpunk fiction. I think Paolo Bacigalupi will be regarded as way more spot on than William Gibson ever was.

One of the things I find most boneheaded in the game is that all of the vehicles are internal combustion. I'd like a mod that replaces the engine sounds with electric vehicle whines. And contra the Blade Runner franchise, the real future LA won't be a humid/sweaty place, indeed water will be increasingly scarce. I expect in 2077 corporations will still be evil, but as today they'll manipulate consumers/voters with implicit consent, indeed many/most will seek to live in an alternate reality, in which their personal troubles can be blamed on anti-corporatists. There may be widespread use of updated versions of Google Glass, but very few who aren't blind or deaf will choose implants. The "hard problem" in AI will remain hard: there will still be humans in the loop translating machine learning/data mining to consumer/voter manipulation.

I don't think CDPR was trying for predictive accuracy, although I'm sure they included some nods to current trends to keep that sense of vertigo. At this point, as many have noted, cyberpunk is just nostalgia for a past in which the future was going to be cool. Why would they include electric cars or anything else from the looming boring dystopia we actually face?

Does Keanu get a big kickback every time someone makes something cyberpunk? Cyberpunk/VR/all that shit is so boring and played out. They should have made it "Cyberpunk 20-amillion," and just treated it as a blank slate.

y'all ready for some nerd braggin? i still have my copy from high school ...

https://i.imgur.com/OC4mZvD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sgX3JZE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/W5pcNEp.jpg

OMG, I'm such an idiot.

When y'all were saying it used to be a tabletop game...

https://i.imgur.com/j7M7mHh.jpg

... and I was thinking, How come I've never played this before?

I would probably play a video game based on the Fantasy Flight Android world.

playing cyberpunk2020 on a ms pac-man-style tabletop unit in a pizza parlor in 1990 would have been so sick though

yakuza 28 minigame

Pplains I made the same mistake

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/cyberpunk-2077-refunds/

Sony are issuing full refunds for everyone who bought it on Playstation. I was quite enjoying it on PS4 despite it being an unfinished mess, happy to get £50 back before xmas tbf. Wonder if they can force an uninstall from user accounts.

lol

I asked for my money back and received a short no-reply boilerplate saying they were fixing the game, but nothing else

Didn't expect this game to be an ET on the Atari 2600 level disaster, quite spectacular.

oh man it's vaporwaring. #aesthetic!

wowwwww what a fustercluck

The link to the refund page came up as a 404 on my first try. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

this release is a meta cyberpunk ARG

It just gets worse:

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/cd-projekt-could-face-investor-legal-action-over-cyberpunk-misrepresentation/

lol love to see it

current gen console QA: 200 zloty
tasteful marketing: 150 zloty
transphobic community managers: 50000 zloty
dick slider engineering team: 90000000 zloty

someone who is good etc

Definitely not pulling the trigger on this one any time soon from what I've seen, but I have to admit that I really do like the look of the details in the city environment.

lol, i got a push notice from the NYT telling me how badly this failed; not a good sign

took me 100 tries to beat first boss Royce. Got to hit those glitchy streets harder!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNqWPtcXk5w

can't actually tell the difference

Take my money!

Lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stlfQNzKdbc

The actual Cyberpunk one he made actually made me feel bad for the programmers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPW6fkcM-14

I’ve kinda gotten a kick out of corny gamer dorks seeing their lord and savior fuck up in spectacular fashion, but yeah, sympathies to the folks who had to grind this out for this result. Spectacular mismanagement.

Hoping we get some Fyre Fest exposes on wtf happened behind the scenes here.

Same here, except I wouldn't call them corny.

Have you not seem “Good Guy CDPR” memes that have flooded Reddit and such these past few years? Oof.

My adjective of choice would be noxious.

Also acceptable. It’s an array.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/style/cyberpunk-2077-video-game-disaster.html

On Glassdoor, a site where people can rate their previous employers, current and former CD Projekt Red workers said there was chaos behind the scenes: Office rumors spreading on Discord servers, misleading deadlines set by managers, infighting among the company’s top brass, and incompetence and poor planning leading to unnecessary “crunch,” a term for overworking employees to produce games under a tight deadline. Longtime engineering staff left the company as a result of overwork.

“The owners treat the company as a machine to earn money, and do not see employees as people but more like data in the table,” one former employee wrote on the site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tJthUWc13Y

If you're not on a legacy console, this is running pretty well. Malcontents will push the glitch narrative, but that's not what I'm seeing on PC. I'm seeing a remarkably fluid game engine, great art, modeling and music, and serviceable but sometimes great writing. The voice actor for female V will be in demand, the male, not so much.

The more serious complaints should be with the issues that will be much harder to iron out: Railbound narratives. Lousy enemy AI. Scaling via bullet sponges. Domino effects in the underlying RPG maths such that some character builds just steamroll through without effort (or replayability). Pervasive environmental misogyny.

My guess, as it gets sorted, and more play on current consoles, this will viewed as technically (over)ambitious, but not captivating.

Iirc in the Dunkey video says he was playing on a generally solid PC rig, too, and still ran into tons of frame rate issues, really dramatic dips. As he says, if you can get Mario Odyssey running at 60fps on a Switch, and stuff like God of War and Red Dead running stable on a base console, then there is no excuse.

There isn't any excuse for the state of it on base model last gen consoles. They done em dirty.

Just recently found out that PlayStation straight up removed it from their online store a few days ago? Damn.

imagine if this came out in april as originally planned

I just started playing GTA V on my Base PS4, a game that came out in 2014, and yeah, there is no excuse at all

you'd need to play GTA V on PS3 for the proper comparison

and also without the 5 years of patches its gotten

GTA V on 360 was pretty smooth iirc

I played GTA 5 on PS3 like first week of release. It was pretty flawless? It was released on PS3 and 360 exclusively, so it was pretty laser focused to run well on those systems. Online was jacked up, of course.

Rockstar actually a company that does this remarkably well. Read Dead 2 is still jaw dropping.

Gta v was good on xbox 360. Was the last new console game I bought 😭

yeah it was astounding what they managed to push the ps3/xbox360 into doing for gta5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3isCdVVPbk

Good commentary-free playthriugh

thanks, i think i am into that idea

Got the disc version of this as a xmas present. So far, at least with the latest patch, the game has been running decently on my base PS4. There’s some occasional frame rate dropping and stuttering (especially with vehicles) but it’s not at all unplayable.

(Of course that’s not to excuse any issues others are experiencing or the developer’s obvious greed and mismanagement of their launch.)

Gameplay-wise its nothing revolutionary but it’s a solid sandbox action RPG. The story’s pretty cliche but I’m enjoying it. Very GTA.

oh yeah i wasnt saying that GTAV was bad on release just that the PS4 version isn't the right comparison

rockstar probably also under less pressure to ship their games a year before they're finished

yeah rockstar won't announce a game until it's on a solid finish path.

i imagine one of the big factors in not delaying it again was console generation timing - 6 months from now there still isn't going to be a huge PS5/XBSX install base but the 150 million+ PS4s/XB1s in the wild are going to start collecting dust, and people would put off buying it until they can get a next gen console. despite the terrible optimization this game was always supposed to take advantage of that massive late-generation install base. most studios probably would've done the same thing if they were scared of missing that window.

seems to have worked out well enough for their bottom line anyway, in spite of everything

yeah 8 million preorders is a mindboggling number

Half a billion dollars!

A lot of people want to escape

May I just say that I've been on this website for nearly 18 years, and I've never posted a Mr. Bean video before now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Q4UacBe1A

As someone who has had Twitch on in the background for a while: C77 is less buggy than any Bethesda release upon launch, and in some respects more ambitious. Even on base PS4s. There are more serious issues with gameplay balance, which may never get fixed, but objects glitching out occurs about once every few hours, crashes every several dozen.

Yes, in its best visual form it's really demanding of graphics cards. Under 5% of Steam users have a PC with a graphics card that can do it justice (even at 1080p). I'll likely get vaccinated before I find a Ampere card at MSRP or below (Chinese Etherium miners bought most), or AMD updates its drivers to support ray tracing for lighting effects. But for those who were lucky/rich enough to have bleeding edge PCs, its really graphically stunning.

waiting for the uncut Switch version

bethesda's the real winner here since everyone's now forgotten they had the worst major game launch of the generation

For those of you lamenting there's no means of previewing clothing, a fan-made C77 fashion catalogue and inspiration magazine, as featured in Forbes. Limited to female Vs at the moment.

this is better than saints row 2 but not as good as sleeping dogs, and overall feels like those games--mid/late xbox 360 era GTA clones.

You knew this article was going to come: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/cyberpunk-2077-what-caused-the-video-game-s-disastrous-rollout?sref=P6Q0mxvj

I have finished Cyberpunk 2077 and the game was kind enough to give me one last treat on its way out pic.twitter.com/y5MCR9u625

— Katie Tiedrich (@katietiedrich) February 5, 2021

Def a feature rather than a bug.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CelebratedSoftBlackcrappie-size_restricted.gif

haha Thanks Snoball I was racking my head trying to recall what it was from

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2021/feb/09/makers-of-cyberpunk-2077-game-hit-by-ransomware-hack

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Holding source code for Cyberpunk 77 for ransom:

https://i.ibb.co/c3nhqdZ/RUTHLESS-PEOPLE-Bette-Midler-Judge-Reinhold-Helen-Slater-1986-c-Buena-Vista-Pictures.jpg

“Your [sic] have been EPICALLY pwned!!,” the hackers wrote, according to the note released by CD Projekt.

Indeed.

lol xp

this explains why i started seeing popular downloads of witcher 3 on several sites

leaking your source code so the public can write your patches for you, smdh

foudn this visualization of the code haha

https://i.imgur.com/uSr62Uj.png

https://i.imgur.com/B6ZoPx1.png

Whole lotta teal in this game

people on PC would harp on the gameplay but gush about the graphics, i just don't get it

yeah i'd be the opposite. i built a new pc just before this came out (not for this game -- in fact buying it was an impulse decision to "see what my new computer could do") and while i enjoyed the gunplay and the golden path missions and some of the sidequests stuff, the degree to which i needed to turn down my graphics to get even a decent framerate was very annoying and it just didn't look that good. the hud/ui, which at the very least i would have expected to look slick as fuck for a cyberpunk game, barely felt a step above fallout 3? and since the computer i built isn't a multi-thousand-dollar powerhouse or anything, i figured ah its just not that powerful, maybe nothing runs THAT good. then i installed forza horizon 4 and play it on ultra in 1440p (vs cyberpunk which i played on 1080p, didnt have new monitor yet) and consistently get 60-80 frames so uhhh

even when someone can get it running at 4k or whatever, it's all either so drab or sickly bright in such an unappealing way. too much asphalt, and how much better have we gotten at rendering asphalt

It's just not a good game,i think is the issue

You guys have some pretty high standards

Tbf dl's a Witcher fan (as am I), so you'd hope Cyberpunk 2077 tops it.

i tried 2 times to get into the witcher and bounced off hard. i liked 2077 enough to finish it and come close to 100%ing it even. its fun! it has fun parts! im just saying look wise i kinda expected more than "last gen but moreso"

cyberpunk is massively flawed and probably needed at least another six months before it was released

but it's also one of the most exquisitely-realised, real-feeling game worlds i've ever played in and it has a genuine, tender affection for its main characters, who are all unusually well-written

so y'know it's a land of contrasts i guess

I'm not big on the cyberpunk aesthetic (fantasy 4evah) so I expect I'll enjoy this less than The Witcher series, but I still plan on playing it once it'll be fully patched and I'll have built myself a beefier rig. So… in 2022, probably.

I've heard that the cyberpunk aesthetic and world building is a mile wide and an inch deep, and since I was profoundly disappointed by the Witcher, this will be a hard pass.

the genre of cyberpunk is pretty silly at this point, i mean it was always silly, its just kinda antiquated now that were living in the damn cyberpunk, theres just an aesthetic left, a futures past thing, which could be cool... i guess!

i agree, cyberpunk needs to be reinvented

cybertwee

a whole world of neon signs and cyborg prostitutes is not cyberpunk, there also needs to be a farm

getting a computer face implant was always a metaphor, for the iphone

too many cyberpunk games, not enough cyberfunk games

otm

in real cyberpunk 2020 there are rural areas, right? or at least, there are nomads. and i don't know, maybe the cyberpunks don't need farms because they're on soylentX

its important for contrast, to show us what weve lost, thats why you go to michael caines house

Cyberpunk 2077 is a late 80s idea of the future since that's when the board game RPG first came out. All futurism ends up as retrofuturism eventually. Cyberpunk as a genre just seems to have hit that much earlier because the imagined futures it showed us were set, well, now mostly.

there's a solar farm AND a some-kinda-grain-probably-corn farm. you don't have a lot of missions in either tho. there's also a badlands to the east which is yeah nomad country

https://i.imgur.com/p5iWNEg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/U1D6Vc6.png

https://i.imgur.com/UP03Hpq.png

https://i.imgur.com/DvbHMdg.jpg

^ ok. I'm still not convinced, but you're proving your point.

Yeh. Sorry I just can’t get over how beautiful this game looks.

is this w/ a big fancy rtx rig? mine looked p good but that looks REAL good
(btw most of my graphics complaints are directed at hud and menus. rly feel like they'd have benefitted from more... something)

Speaking of which, I’m kind of tempted to get a new GPU as I’ve had my GTX 1070 for four years now but the ongoing shortage is more of an impediment than I expected. And it looks like there’s no end in sight.

This game runs fine on my 1070

I was so lucky to get a 2060 before the miners went crazy and the scalpers got organised.

This game is very RTX ON with all the puddles and wotnot but I'm not sure I'm into the design of the world at all. Outside of the metal on everyone's face I'm not sure its even a well imagined future city/world. The last Deus Ex game had way better world design, and its not even that good! And even in terms of GRAPHIX, I'm playing RDR2 right now and it looks way better, as well as having significantly better gameplay. I know it's nor fair to compare, but if you're an open world game in 202x you're either gotta beat RDR2/BotW/H:ZD or come with something new, and I just don't think CP77 does on either front.

This game runs fine on my 1070

Oh I’m sure it’s fine at mid-settings. Truth be told, even if I had an RTX 3080, I’d probably hold off until the game is fully patched anyway.

is this w/ a big fancy rtx rig? mine looked p good but that looks REAL good
(btw most of my graphics complaints are directed at hud and menus. rly feel like they'd have benefitted from more... something)

https://i.imgur.com/ylyg4Jz.png

Virtual dream plaza

Are the Johnny sightings around town pre determined or based on your current path? He was critiquing this busker’s guitar skills and I was like nah

https://i.imgur.com/W6uu9Yx.png
Kowloon vibez

how far through are you? i just shook down Fingers

2nd act I guess (garbage dump loading screen) with Keanu popping up now and then
I’ve been grinding on contract missions to get some better gear and level up before I continue with the story
Lot of places to explore and get familiar with
I like the idea of just hanging on a street corner for a couple hours

ha, does anything happen or you're just taking it in? i have to take some time off the story next play

i get reminded of Hong Kong a lot too. Wife is from there

https://i.imgur.com/OvOKUiC.png

https://i.imgur.com/JQQq0pK.png

On the roller coaster with Johnny

The modders are having fun with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvK_7Ohk16k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6cRCYYff4

Another playthrough in (on Stadia, as a new GPU has been on order since December). I don't get the lovely ray-traced reflections/shadows, but also very few bugs (mostly audio looping requiring a reload), none of which are game breakers.

The good is pretty obvious: Night City looks great, especially some neighborhoods like Kabuki and Japantown; fine story & dialogue, good voice acting (Keanu and male V are actually the weakest, here), great character animation (and in 10 languages), good original score and diagetic music, quest design permitting multiple playstyles. And the bad is pretty obvious: poor NPC AI; poor game balance, wherein if one engages with much open world ("side") content, there's no challenge at the highest difficulty; a paucity of meaningful player decisions; and non-immersive presentation of open world content.

Aside from the poor performance on last-gen consoles and most PCs, the pros and cons are pretty similar to those for Witcher III at launch. I think this game will get sorted, and may attract an audience as more migrate to current systems. But CD PR isn't as modder friendly as Bethesda, and the NPCs don't have the rich characterization of a golden age Bioware game. So I'm not sure this will have legs.

https://i.imgur.com/gOEh3jb.jpg

Haven't had much chance to look into this one just yet, but even with ps1 graphics I'm very interested from what this trailer is showing us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDA3RQpSqEw

"Without Judgement" is the name of the game btw

Was hoping this would be the Action Button vid for this finally going up, back to waiting I guess :(

I have been playing the Cyberpunk game

mixed feelings, but it's definitely visually dense

https://kotaku.com/cyberpunk-2077-patch-1-5-combat-perks-traffic-ai-ps5-xb-1848537538#replies

Guess now is the time to give it a shot if you’re on next gen. Free 5 hour trial.

Now that the patch is released (and I have a dozen or so “quality of life" mods installed), I’ve picked this up and am having a blast playing it like an action game with open-world elements rather than the "next gen open world game" the developers pitched it as. I’m playing a "hack and slash" build (i.e., weaken with quickhacks then go in with my katana) and it’s pretty satisfying when the combat music kicks in and I’m leaping out of stealth with sword swinging.

As an open-world game, I don’t find it as satisfying as Red Dead Redemption 2; the world doesn’t feel as “alive”. That’s a vague descriptor, since I don’t really know how to articulate it; it’s more of a feeling, I suppose. For example, the people on the street in Cyberpunk feel more obviously like bots, whereas I was content to stand on a balcony in RDR2 and just watch folks go about their day, or follow a random walking merchant in The Witcher 3 as they wandered the roads. Or I’d stumble into little scripted events when traveling in RDR2 happening in the background. I imagine that’s easier to script in a more sparsely populated setting like RDR2 than Night City, though. (Granted, I’m one of those nerds who appreciates unnecessary, mundane things in RPGs, so wish V could sit at a noodle counter to pass the time before a mission, rather than just “using” from the inventory etc.)

That aside, it looks gorgeous, and I dig driving around at night a lot. I find the side content more engaging than, say, Ghost of Tsushima. There’s valid criticism that it doesn’t feel “new/futuristic” enough in its expression of cyberpunk, but I don’t mind that at all. I read all Gibson et al in high school, and even played a session of the tabletop game back then (around 2001 or so), so it suits me find that it still feels rooted in 80s/90s. I even leaned into it by installing a mod that switches one of the radio station to play stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc

excellent thoughts, thanks blatherskite

good music choice

Thanks. Perfect example: I was cruising around yesterday just to explore, and stumbled on this protest at a brain dance studio:

https://i.imgur.com/lp4YocY.png

I walk up to it and… nothing. There’s no dialog from the protest leader or any of the crowd members. Not even crowd noise. They’re just mutely pumping their arms. By contrast, I think of a time I was playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and stumbled across a little event as I passed by a clearing: three KKK members were arguing about how to light a cross, which then fell on them and set them on fire. It was a neat little moment that felt like the world was happening beyond my character.

(I think the worst offender I’ve encountered is L.A. Noire, which I should have loved due to its subject matter, but was completely dead: nothing ever happened in the open world outside of missions, despite how beautifully rendered the city was.)

there’s a quest related to the protest you can do, but it starts elsewhere

Finally finished this after beginning in February. Opinion didn’t waver much from the above: a blast to play, but some frustration that I could see a better game peeking through if some of it had been fleshed out a bit more. (For instance, after finishing their side jobs, the romance partners don’t really have much to say or do, beyond some texts.)

For those who finished, what ending did you all get, and were you happy with it?

I originally started going for the ending where V joins the nomads, since it seemed a closest to a happy ending. As it progressed, though, I felt dissatisfied. I always played V as lusting after Night City fame, so it didn’t feel right the my level 45 badass would chuck it all to live a dusty tent, even if Judy joined her. I opted for the secret ending, instead, so I could storm Arasaka with Johnny at my side and become queen of the Afterlife. Plus, the final scene approaching the space casino gave me heavy Neuromancer vibes. A shame about being dumped by Judy but, hey, I bet the DLC will include whoever the player romances, even in passing. And if not, well, we only knew each other a few in-game weeks at most, right?

The game uses these blue and green windows a lot

https://i.imgur.com/YE64JDk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/w4qIVqn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Dv3m1gw.jpg

they should make a sequel called naturepunk, not sure what it would entail

I'm not sure why walking around night city is so boring

I watched Strange Days for the first time last night—that whole braindance tutorial with the robbery has to be a homage to the film.

@lag00n

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarpunk

https://globalpattern.bandcamp.com/album/solarpunk-a-possible-future

Maybe the best thing about this game is that it saved rockstar from having to do it (badly)

Jig-Jig street?

I feel as bad for this game as one can feel for a AAA mega-hyped beast. The most beautiful open world, so full of work. It’s deserves applause for giving verticality to its world. Up into buildings, down into slums, and thought yeah there are locked doors everywhere, it does not feel like it due to how many inside areas are accessible. It is a game dependent on high-end hardware though. Most of my enjoyment would not exist if I was not playing this on a 1000nits OLED and a 3070 with ray tracing. It has so many flaws, but it deserves credit for the world it created and for how it has pushed video game hardware.

i havent played but that was the one part of the pitch that really appealed to me, so many games just push the map out wider and wider when what i really want is density and verticality

Honestly that’s the only reason I’m playing

That and all the neon in hdr. I popped an eye vessel playing this last night. Worth it

Also, I like when little numbers go over peoples heads when I shoot them. Essential part of any game

All it needed was a good writer and it’d be goty for me. Mix this with disco elysium and I would die

Yup

I probably mentioned this before but you don’t need a $2k rig to play this with hdr etc. check out GeForce now if you have a good internet connection

Night City Wotld Cup team

2.0's out and Phantom Liberty is dropping shortly

still making sense of the new skill tree. starting a new character, chooms?

I never played the base game, but I think I've seen people suggest starting from scratch?

that's the general recommendation

Is this worth playing now? Should I play this or BG3 after Elden Ring?

Depends on how long until you're going to be ready, I think. My suspicion is that the base game plus dlc is going to hit the sweet spot as far as functionality goes. The base game is pretty solid now, at least as far as my experience on the PC version goes.

this game has gotten a lot better but i was charmed enough by it to begin with that i was kinda disappointed when some update or other suddenly fixed the doppelganger problem wherein the dense city sidewalks had surged and teemed with around nine infinite sets of multiple-birth siblings

maybe it was my hardware

Realistically, probably not until the Christmas holiday - I have ER and TotK to probably keep me going the rest of 2023 for whatever video game time I have left.

But when I bought ER it was either that or Cyberpunk I was choosing from. BG3 wasn't even on my radar. However, I might just cave and get BG3 for Mac OS and Cyberpunk for PS5 and slowly play both simultaneously or something. Or, just maybe, I should give gaming a break for a year and get back into Ableton and write some damn beats again, but that would be crazy talk

Had fun finishing this some months after release. But going back to dink around some time after they first had you reset all your character points, and noping out pretty quick, tells me I'm reeally not an RPG guy. There must be some webpage that could tell me a sensible way to spend the points to be an ok all around character right?

I'm the same way--though I do like RPGs, I don't dig all all that analyzing of point and perk percentages etc. Whenever I start a game like this, I usually just figure out my concept--sneaky sniper, charmer not a fighter, whatever--and just look up builds from those who've already put in the research. If you search "cyberpunk 2077 builds", you can probably find some. I think I used https://fextralife.com/guides/cyberpunk-2077-guides/, though those may be too specialized for your taste. Of course, in many games it's almost irrelevant once you get a certain level, and you can slaughter everyone with two hits.

What I've gathered from the retooled perks is that they've made it a lot more straightforward. The text tells you exactly what each does, what they apply to (weapon types/hacking/movement speed/etc.) and they're divided into tiers that unlock with skill points allocated to a particular aspect. Just browse around a little bit and you're good. I don't think I'll feel the need to look up any guides.

The other thing they seemed to have addressed is how there was a bunch of overlap once your character got to a certain level and you could just be insanely overpowered with little effort