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1. The opening FMV sequence will be 17 minutes long and impossible to skip.

2. You also aren't able to skip any of the other FMV cutscenes in the game.

3. To increase the difficulty of the game, save points have been sparsely scattered throughout. You get a "continue" option instead of the ability to save frequently.

4. The advertisement

5. Game-related merchandise announced so far includes a limited-edition controller, a limited-edition PS2, and a limited edition drink.

6. The rabbit stripper bitch with the bow that Laura posted to start off the DUMBASS CHARACTER DESIGN thread? One of the main characters

7. I quote from Slashdot: "Having to train on the same monster endlessly has now become a feature

8. I am as yet unable to find anybody who has anything nice to say about the new combat system (either just describing sort of how it works or flat-out panning it)

I'm not up to 10 yet, help me out.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

http://images.gubbish.org/lionbutt.jpg

FUCK YOU

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

http://images.gubbish.org/harry.gif

(that was supposed to be this picture)

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

I really figured you'd be with me on this one.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:27 (twenty years ago)

everything you list does sound atrocious, but (lmao butts) IT'S MADE BY THE FFT & VAGRANT STORY DUDES SO I CAN'T NOT BE A LITTLE STOKED ABOUT IT. this has basically become the last straw for me re: skweenix, my last crumb of hope that they can pull something awesome out their ass. also, there were elements of FFX and agh FFX-2 that I liked a lot so uh i dunno. i'm expecting it to be like the best Japanese RPGs i've played, in that it will dazzle and enrage me in equal measures and I will come away from it feeling bloated with disappointment.

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

so basically I am with you but I won't admit it until I've wasted 50 bucks a year from now.

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Supposedly it's still on track to go gold sometime soon. Last I checked.

The cutscenes are the destroyer. I know the staff is all Tactics Ogre and FFT compliant and it looks pretty good, the gameplay shots I've seen, but 17 minutes of cutscene to start off that I can't skip? That means it has to suck. That equals sucking horribly. I'm not saying this will be as bad as Xenosaga, just, you know, it would appear to be treading dangerously close to some of the same pitfalls.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I can't really argue with that. I've always liked the cut scenes, but it's basically unconscionable in the year 2006 to have unskippable cinemas in your games. I almost think they're just doing it to be jerks at this point, which possibly makes them n01z3 or something.

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Friday, 3 February 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

I fucking hate cutscenes. Hate them. And I hate the FF series for making people want them.

The FF12 demo that came with Dragon Quest 8 was laughable. My girlfriend, who actually enjoyed FF11 for a little while, even scoffed at it. Ugly, "quirky" battle system, wretched character design, stoopid monsters (much hyped independent monster AI = crap).

― adam (adam), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)

http://www.fukusei.org/freya/fran1.jpg

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:40 (twenty years ago)

BRILLIANT character design!

― c(''c) (Leee), Friday, 3 February 2006 05:01 (twenty years ago)

wtf is that thing? It's like a furry for furries in denial.

― PlayfulPuppy (playfulpuppy), Friday, 3 February 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

You're supposed to fuck the ears.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

it is kind of...stupid looking, i guess.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 3 February 2006 07:05 (twenty years ago)

TOMBOT did you play the demo that came with Dragonquest? My boyfriend played it and HATED it, for reasons 1,2,7, and 8. And he's a big FF fan.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 3 February 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I skipped on DQ8 for now and blew my trimonthly gaming allotment on DISGAEA instead.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 3 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

i haven't got the patience to even bother with this after ffx2. maybe i'll borrow dq8 from someone instead.

― inert false cat (sleep), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

i want to play DQ8, but sold my ps2 to an ilxor long ago

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Is that tiger-buttface from the Ping-Pong Club?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:05 (twenty years ago)

I assumed it was the last boss

― Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

the thing that sucks the most about the demo that came with dq8 is the boss in one of the levels. i mean, it's just a dinosaur. nothing more than a red t. rex on a beach. lame.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:19 (twenty years ago)

If FFTA is any credible source, the bunny strippers are lesbians too, because there's no other way for an all-female species to make babies. Unless they split like cells.

Or that all-male race of rasta lizards fucks them and there's a 50/50 chance of a bunny or a lizard.

― Will M. (Will M.), Friday, 10 February 2006 12:00 (twenty years ago)

I think the latter sounds more Japanesey. I mean if that's not in the documented Square-Enix Mythos then you know it's going to end up in the fucking doujinshi w/in 30 seconds of the game's release

― TOMBOT, Friday, 10 February 2006 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Can we truly say that we as a people are better than a race of nothing but rasta lizards and bunny strippers?

Becuz i'm not ready to make that leap.

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Altho, as Tombot mentions, one of the bits about the doujinshi that's ever-reliant is that any character shown in any FF game, even for a scene, will be portrayed as either fucking or getting fucked by every other character in every FF game.

For example, who knew that Rikku's crewmates on that flying ship had such voracious sexual appetites?

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Heh. for a min, i couldn't remember whether this was a tombot thread or a dan thread.

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

today's bit from Joystiq

The Final Fantasy XII Potion drink announced back in December has finally been unveiled to the public in Japan, and samplers are willing to allow that the clear blue beverage offers a "mysterious taste."

Shall we speculate on the "mysterious taste"? Is it think and proteiny? Is it the distilled sweat of bunny strippers? what could it be?

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.srut.org/index2_e.asp

― A BOLD QUAHOG (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

The advertisement looks pretty great, actually! But it can't save my lost faith in FF (and console RPGs in general). It'll only be good when they go back to 2D sprite animation.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, I'm at a loss now trying to figure out what I admired about bunnystripper.

― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 23 February 2006 02:06 (twenty years ago)

http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/images/KitchenEquipment/Grater.jpg

― Dan ("Bunny Stripper") Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:32 (twenty years ago)

Bad Dan.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 February 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Bunny stripper on wheels

and not

Rico, Suave.

the next step in LIVESTRONG bracelets

WTF

DAN THIS WILL HAUNT YOUR DREAMS FOREVERMORE

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 18 March 2006 08:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.jeux-france.com/news14727_final-fantasy-xii-plus-d-images.html

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 18 March 2006 08:04 (twenty years ago)

MOOGLES.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 08:35 (twenty years ago)

I love the fact they had to give the bunny stripper a helmet, because it's just too horrible to think about how those ears join her head.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

what the fuck is wrong with people? What kind of world is this! what the fuck

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 09:50 (twenty years ago)

Jesus shit, I miss Yoshitaka Amano. Dude from Ogre Battle/FFT is doing the character designs now. Rico Suave up there is particularly doing my head in and I don't know why.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 March 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/459841_20050516_screen001.jpg

http://www.latenightgames.com/labynight/gallery/stalker/10things56.jpg

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 March 2006 15:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y825PgV1904

Jesus Christ. This has Phantom Menace written all over it.

More Sky Pirates, tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_KiLZM4Nv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf7k4NFdHcA

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

You'll all no doubt be pleased to know that there's an entire RACE of bunny strippers.

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 19 March 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I thought Rico looked a bit like Pauley Shore.
Or maybe Ned.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:06 (twenty years ago)

at least there aren't any characters that have toothbrush weapons

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.cavesofnarshe.com/fanart/ff4/edward/edward01.jpg

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 20 March 2006 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Those purple things attacking the planet are midichlorians.

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

AMANO SUX, SORRY NERDS

AFTER SEEING THIS PICTURE, NOTHING IN THE WORLD CAN CONVINCE ME THAT FFXII WILL BE ANYTHING LESS THAN A MASTERPIECE:

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/459841_20050516_screen012.jpg

― Milhouse is not a meme. But 'Milhouse is not a meme' IS a meme. (Adrian Langston, Monday, 20 March 2006 11:15 (twenty years ago)

YUB NUB

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

http://images2.sina.com/cnnews/1142934430_gLMyPT.jpg
WHY HELLO DERE

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

huh? quien es este?

― kingfish, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 02:23 (twenty years ago)

she's doing the theme song apparently

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

angela aki

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 03:24 (twenty years ago)

At first I thought it was

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006LSPS.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 03:55 (twenty years ago)

40/40 in famitsu!

Still one of the worst games ever.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

http://virgomusic.com/shopping/image/one.jpg

and sales among indie saddos just tripled

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 05:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ebelog.com/wp-content/images/separated_collette_fey.jpg

― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 05:19 (twenty years ago)

what could POSSIBLY be wrong with a game with its own PS2 edition?

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1313/ps2018hb.th.jpg

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:24 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, and

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1350/ff12controller026ef.th.jpg

― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Angela Aki looks like a Jew-ed out Laura Veirs. Weird.
Also dead on with the SNL girl comparison.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:35 (twenty years ago)

I love how every japanese musician has a "BBS" link on their site.

― Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:17 (twenty years ago)

like 90% of *.co.jp has a /bbs directory! it's great.

― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 16:29 (twenty years ago)

dude why don't japanese people know how to design websites wtf. (not the bbs thing specifically)

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 30 March 2006 03:33 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

So I preordered it even though I hate the demo. What the hell.

Here's the LE case you get for preordering from EB/Gamestop:
http://www.ebgames.com/gs/ffxii/ffxii_casedetail.jpg

The normal one for everyone else:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000F5IH2I.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V40084861_.jpg

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

only slightly closeted

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 24 September 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

So I take it the long haired stroppy teenager at the front will have some sort of memory loss and turn up to be his own dead future self who is also his dad. Like all the fucking other ones.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 24 September 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

He's an orphan who dreams of one day becoming a butt pir...er, sky pirate!

Plot and setting
Setting

The game is set in the same world as Final Fantasy Tactics. In fact, this is the world where the Final Fantasy Tactics Advance characters based their Ivalice from. Vagrant Story took place in a country adjacent to Ivalice, Valendia.

Characters

Cast of Final Fantasy XII

Vaan (ヴァン Van) is an orphaned Hume street urchin who lost his parents in a plague when he was 12 years old and his only brother Reks 2 years after the Archadian Invasion of Dalmasca. He makes a living as Migelo's assistant, helping to distribute food rations to the Archadian soldiers, while stealing some for his own in the process. He is a cheerful and energetic and among his friends he is considered their leader. Vaan always dreams of someday becoming a sky pirate in command of his own airship.

Ashe Vanalgan Dalmasca (アーシェ Āshe) is a determined and independent 19-year-old Hume princess fighting to liberate her kingdom, Dalmasca, from the Archadian Empire. In addition to being the leader of the Dalmascan resistance movement, she is the sole heir to the throne, her father and eight brothers having been killed during the Archadian invasion. Ashe seeks not only freedom for her country, but also vengeance against the Archadian invaders and the former Dalmascan general Basch, who assassinated the king shortly after the Archadian army stormed the royal castle in Rabanastre.

Balthier Bunanza (バルフレア Barufurea) is a 22-year-old Hume sky pirate who pilots a small airship around the skies of Ivalice. He and his companion, Fran, prefer to remain outside of the war between the kingdoms of Ivalice.

Basch von Rosenberg (バッシュ Basshu) is a 36-year-old Hume who formerly served as a general in the Dalmascan army. During the Archadian assault on the royal castle, he discovered that the Dalmascan king had actually sold his people to the Archadians, and subsequently slew both the king and then Vaan's older brother, Reks, who found out about the crime. He is now regarded by the Dalmascans as a traitor.

Fran (フラン Furan) is a member of the rabbit-like Viera race and Balthier's partner aboard his airship. Although her preferred weapon is the bow and arrow, she is also quite competent with a variety of other weapons and is notably proficient in grappling and fencing. Fran is the only non-Hume (human) character in the main cast.

Penelo (パンネロ Pannero) is a Hume orphan who works as a dancer in a Rabanastre bazaar. She learned martial arts from her now-deceased older brother, a soldier, and though small in stature, she is perfectly capable of handling herself in sticky situations. She has known Vaan since childhood, and seems to secretly have romantic feelings towards him.

Vayne Cardas Solidor (ヴェイン Vein) is the 27-year-old crown prince of Archadia and first in line to inherit the throne from his father, Emperor Gramis. Though he wields a considerable amount of authority, Vayne does not abuse his power; rather, he makes an effort to foster a positive relationship with the conquered Dalmascans and insists that the welfare of the people is his foremost concern.

Larsa Ferrinas Solidor (ラーサー Rāsā) is the younger brother of Vayne Solidor and the fourth son of Gramis, eleventh emperor of Archadia. He is second in line to succeed Gramis as emperor and tries hard to gain the respect of his father and older brother. Larsa travels on occasion disguised as a commoner, adopting the alias Ramon so as to remain incognito. He joins the party midgame as a guest, but is not a playable character, however.

Plot

Final Fantasy XII takes place mostly in the kingdom of Dalmasca, a small city-state in the world of Ivalice. A neutral party in the past wars between its neighboring kingdoms of Archadia and Rozarria, Dalmasca was ultimately conquered by Archadia and reduced to the status of an occupied state under Archadian rule. Vaan, a street urchin living in the Dalmascan capital of Rabanastre, joins the underground Dalmascan resistance movement and participates in an assault on the royal castle, now occupied by Archadian troops. His involvement in the attack eventually brings him face to face with Ashe, the deposed princess of Dalmasca and the leader of the resistance faction.

Archadian Judge Masters, leaders of the Judges who first appeared in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, are featured prominently in the story. They are the supreme enforcers of Archadian law, and number five total: Gabranth, Ghis, Drace, Zargabaath, and Bergan.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

why do they all have the same face?

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

All gaijin look alike.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

OK, Final Fantasy needs to stop with the practically-sepiatone-characters-on-a-blue-sky-backdrop schtick.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

www.drinkcocaine.com

THis is thw world we live in.
A world where Square decides to never port Chrono Trigger(a big reason RPGs caught on here), to design movies you have to fight through to get the next scene and not call them FMVs but to call them RPGs because you have to level up to get powerful enough to get the next scene, and we are supposed to drink mysterious blue substances and Cocaine.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 25 September 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

Were you making some sort of analogy? Because that looks like a load of mangled shit to me.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 25 September 2006 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

Chrono Trigger(a big reason RPGs caught on here),

I think you've misspelt "Final Fantasy VII"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 September 2006 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

No one I knew had heard of that game at the time.
BECAUSE IT WASN'T OUT YET.

Chrono Trigger was already going for about the same price used as new(new game+) and
Also, there were many many many many fan sites dedicated to that game(which didn't have a series to back it up) in it's release period, which wasn't exactly the most prolific net period.
What I'm saying is I don't think FFVII would have been as popular without CT.

In regards to 'analogy':
Hell no.

THIS IS THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.
Square no longer makes games.
They make movies.
FMV games. You get to walk around for a bit, are forced to fight mostly repetetive battles, then you get another long clip, rinse repeat. Might as well play any old Sega CD FMV game. Exept I like to influence the outcome of games.
There are marketing people who put together random things to make a 'mysterious' tasting blue drink, and ones who decide that they should make a drink called 'Cocaine.'

It's not an analogy, methaphor, simale; I'm simply showing a correllation between People marketing a crappy drink with a game's name, and making an insane drink with an insane one.
It's what it says it is. A statement about the state of the world.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Chrono Trigger's success led to the mainstream acceptance of FFVII; I don't think that's a controversial statement.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure the hardcore were pretty excited about CT, but the lesson that Square learned is that the hardcore aren't worth shit when you can adapt to a new technology (CDs) and attract people who wouldn't have touched the genre with a ten-foot pole.

So: reasons why Final Fantasy VII sold:

1. http://www.altpop.com/stc/pics-large/ff7ost.jpg
2. grindy gameplay
3. actual Japan weirdcraziness in your own house!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Erm no one's forcing you to buy the games gzeus?

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

(my point 1 there is actually points 1 and 2: soundtrack and OMG the graphics)

If half of the people who bought FFVII had heard of Chrono Trigger I'd be amazed.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

In the US, Chrono Trigger got almost the same amount of hype and ad-blitzing as FFVII.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

FF7 sold well because of a big advertisement campaign that only showed the prerendered movies from it.

― a.b. (alanbanana), Monday, 25 September 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't remember any ads for Chrono Trigger. I remember there was actually a TV commercial for FF7 that made me go "OMG! You mean there are FF's 4 thru 6?"

FF7 definitely isn't my favorite Final Fantasy, but is it notable for being the only one in the series with ballz? (bishounen villain notwithstanding)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 25 September 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Do you mean literal balls? E.g. those orange spheres that dropped serious AP?

― c('°c) (Leee), Monday, 25 September 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

So you agrr new FF games succeed on looks and sound alone, then?
Because that was my point...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

The last good one was FF6 on the Snes.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 25 September 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I remember seeing Chrono Trigger ads pretty much nonstop during my Saturday morning cartoon binges.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I remember every magazine having a different walkthrough.
And I'd get pissed when they'd miss an awesome tweak in a side-quest that gave you a different ending when you beat the game ata certain point...

I beat that game 12 times and got the same ending 4 times.
I'd heard rumours of 20+ endings, and beleived it until recently where I got number eleven, which is the rearest and (in the english version) lamest.
Only claim to fame is that Crono talks.

All these other LATER games give you some slight variations in endings and you always have to play through fully.
They spend so much time on cut scenes and shit that they CAN'T FIT more than one!

If I wanted to watch a cliche'd movie and be forced to do repetetive random battle, i'd put on W.E. and play GemFire on PIP.

Hell, even FFVI gave you the option of choosing which character/gender Cloud decides to end up with at the end...
NO ONE I know thought FFVIII was worth playing.

I like INTERACTION. CT and 1943 are my favorite games.
Sonic isn't a game. It's a passtime.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Cloud wasn't in FFVI.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 25 September 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

GZeus stop making me hate my favorite game.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 25 September 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

so i missed an "I"
Prepare a cease and desist before drafting that lawsuit.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

is it notable for being the only one in the series with ballz?

Character design notwithstanding, XII is supposed to be pretty much the least twee Final Fantasy, storywise. "Heavily political" and "grim" are the terms I keep seeing bandied about.

"This is the coming-of-age title for [Final Fantasy], the time when the series grows up and examines mature themes usually reserved for novels and major motion pictures. Death and sacrifice, two very prevalent themes of FFXII, are commonalities of war. We felt the need to convey this by bringing it to the forefront from the very start."
-Akitoshi Kawazu

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

It does seem like they've been making it for a dozen years by this stage.

So you agrr new FF games succeed on looks and sound alone, then?

I can see how you might think that, if you ignore what I'm actually saying. FFVII is a really well-made game as regards continuous ramping up of the threats involved and clearly signposted "you can level up here if you want to kick ass ahead" sections (and giving you little kicks of achievement even if all you're doing is grinding). It's also designed around "do this task and you get more tasty FMV" which was a major and direct attraction to me at the time - the movies looked AMAZING by 1997 standards.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

What's the point of different endings if the plot throughout the game is exactly the same? If that even works then the plot must be so weak and unconnected to the ending that the plot isn't exactly the main selling point of the game anyway, so how would it matter when talking about which the better game is?

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

The plot does change if you embark on the side-quests.
It also depends on WHEN you beat the boss, thus making a different ending NECCESARY for the plot to make sense.
Don't talk shit about games you've never played, troll.
Or are you just a 13 year old girl who'd RATHER watch W.E. but have no cable/sattelite?
Again, you're touting linearity and predictability as SELLING POINTS.
What about GAMEPLAY?
How is something a Role Playing Game if the only role you play is another character forced to do what the game says or die/do nothing?
That's not even a GAME.
it's a movie.
it's Night Trap with a better plot and clips.

"So you agrr new FF games succeed on looks and sound alone, then?

So, YES?
That's EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. "It makes gameplay all obvious and then dangles scripted sequences in front of you as somek ind of reward."

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Do you ever go OUTSIDE GZeus and TALK to REAL people. It's RATHER a lovely day TODAY.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

why the fuck are you idiots on my thread arguing about FFVII and goddamned Chrono Trigger? There are already two threads for that crap and it's been fucking done to death.

RPGs are better in 2D. Discuss!

Final Fantasy VII: Kind Of Retarded In Retrospect

this is a thread about FF number TWELVE. XII. A one in the tens place and a two in the ones place. Please to piss off and let Marmot detail for us the many ways in which I was correct back in February as soon as he can.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

There is no way that FFXII can't be superfuckingtwee thanks to that godawful bunny thing.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Remember upthread when Dan I said:

what the fuck is wrong with people? What kind of world is this! what the fuck

I FEEL YA DAWG

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

[i]Don't talk shit about games you've never played, troll.[/i]

I've played Chrono Trigger, I'm buggered if I can remember the plot though.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

There is no way that FFXII can't be superfuckingtwee thanks to that godawful bunny thing.

I was going to ask which godawful bunny thing you were referring to but that kind of wound up making the point.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Hehe this GZeus guy's angrier than me. You tell em son! :p

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Does this mean the whole bloody law thing from the FFTA battles is in this? It was annoyng having to walk back and forth between cities before battles just so that you'd be allowed to use physical attacks.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

no but you learn new skills by getting "licenses" for them. the explanations of the License and Gambit systems on the wikipedia page makes me want to slap people around really brutally and set fire to their children

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/FFXII_License_Board.png explain how the fuck translating the text on the bottom of this screen to English makes one goddamn bit of difference?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Are you under the impression that vehement=angry?
And that having an opinion about games means I don't have a life or work?
Because A: I'm not angry, i'm just annoyed that games have taken a turn away from play and towards showing pretty colors. What incentive is there to get anything new?

B: I teach english to foreign(generally asian) people and spent the evening helping a client of 2 years move. Got old and new computers in return(to expensive to ship overseas).

So, if you're done judging me, and gmaes you don't even remember, this is was my point to begin with. Sorry it wont over your head:
"what the fuck is wrong with people? What kind of world is this! what the fuck"

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/459841_20050516_screen012.jpg

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/705/705770/final-fantasy-xii-20060508044040216.jpg

http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/515/515606/final-fantasy-xii-20040514032224840.jpg

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not angry, i'm just annoyed that games have taken a turn away from play and towards showing pretty colors. What incentive is there to get anything new?

If by "pretty colors" you mean "the most godawful shit that ever pretended to be graphics" then you're pretty OTM. But either way, who gives a fuck? They're not forcing you to play anything.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 27 September 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

i'm pretty psyhed about the ds version.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm incensed that Square won't take the time to port games people are virtually SCREAMING for but makes shite like THIS instead.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

Square decides to never port Chrono Trigger

Square won't take the time to port games people are virtually SCREAMING for

I'm confused here. What is it you want Square to do? Chrono Trigger was "ported" to PS on Final Fantasy Collection which is still readily available on Amazon etc., so do you actually mean that you want a 2D sequel? Or a remake a la the DS FFIII? I don't get it.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 08:37 (nineteen years ago)

Er, I meant Final Fantasy Chronicles, of course.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Also in a much cheaper package, though unfortunately not over in the civilized world.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

In fact no PAL version exists, I nearly got a US PS2 just so I could import Chrono Trigger.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

Was it ever released over here though? There can't be much demand for an old snes game that hardly anyone on this continent would be nostalgic for, amongst people who can't download an emulator.

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

I was listening to a lot of people who sounded like GZeus at the time.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

It should be on a portable system.
More people want it than FF1

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

What shoulod FFXII? I mean that's what we're meant to be discussing right?

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

It's already been determined that this is going to a piece of shite.
How bad is a relative term so we need a basis for comparison.
Why they would do this is also a good point of discussion.
That's what I'm getting at.

PS: Square never 'ported' any SNES games to the PSX. They used emulation. Mediocre emulation.
Lazy.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Shut the fuck up about chrono trigger on this thread, I'm motherfucking serious, you unbelievable quasi-literate git.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Can we predict the scores this game will get on Gamespot, IGN, etc? I dont read all the game sites, but I'll go out on a limb and predict Gamespot gives this a 9.4.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Tombot.

I look back on previous posts, and I can see how one would miss my point.
I speak in comparisons quite often.
I think in relative terms, if this is confusing to you...well...I can understand it would be frustrating.

Chrono trigger had alot of interaction and no FMV. It also had relatively brief scripted sequences you could skip through quickly.
It had multiple endings.

Since then, I can't think of a single Square game that follwed anything close(maybe Chrono Cross, but no one I've known that's played it has liked it at all. They said the Chrono part seemed tacked on).
Why mention them not porting it?
I'm saying the're content to sit on their haunches, spend more time animating/programming scripted sequences than programming gameplay.
Porting is nothing but work.
Lazy.

Since they became Square-Enix it's been boring.

Look at what this game's shaping up to be, and look at what their games used to be.
I have nothing against scripted sequences(in moderation) I have nothing against modern graphics.
The problem is Square is relying on them when they were obviously capable of so mush more.
if they combined their old games' play with their new games' graphics they'd be unstoppable. But they don't.

They're lazy.

Did alot of the old guard leave when the Enix thing happened, or something?

To Tombot alone:
If you can think of one more reason this game is going to be one of the worst games ever, please do so.
Lead by example.

I don't see how anything I've said warrants this attack.
Semi-literate? Are you under the impression a typo and spelling error are the same?
Excuse me for being dysgraphic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia
Not asking you to get all politically correct, just explaining that not all typos are from a lack of spelling skills.
I'm lucky when I type the right letters for the word I'm going for all day, let alone the right order!
I DO have a sense of humour about my typos.
But I DON'T take kindly to your general attitude.
I may be blunt and occasionally crass, but you're simply rude.
I can't be blamed for what you've inferred.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm being mean because I already asked you yesterday and I'm working on a migraine.

I gave an example with that License system! Who thinks that stuff is a fun idea? Who?!?

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ok.
In that case, leave your personal problems out of this.
If you want me to speak your language "FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK"

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

The License system merely reads like a heavy-handed AP system, a blatant attempt to reemphasize the unlockingness of FF games. I'll admit that I am a tweebag douche, though.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

T/S licenses vs spheres or whatever the hell:
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/PS2/FinalFantasyX-SphereBoard.png

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.avalancheonline.com/Cdcovers/ctfront.jpg

― Just A Bit Of Fun (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

ON MY THRED
MAKIN ME HATE CRONO TRIGGA

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

I quite liked the sphere system, it made it a bit more interesting knowing that you were two spheres away from some ability, or +4 in some statistic, instead of it all happening invisibly while you levelled up for an hour. The license system doesn't look too bad, but I never liked having to buy magic (is it the individual spells you have to buy). The gamibit system looks confusing, if it does what I think it does then is there any point in actually using the controller when fighting? If they're coming up with ways around having to do stuff then why add the stuff to the game in the first place? You may as well just gain levels by walking around, the same way you'd get money in FF8

(And what the hell does dysgraphia have to do with not being able to type? I've got it and I'm fine with typing. It's even recommended that dysgraphics type instead of write, not because it's easier to correct mistakes but because it's easier to do in the first place. Find a rarer thing to blame your lousy typing on, dysgraphia is common enough for you to bump into someone who knows what it is).

― Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Have you got aspergers GZeus? You seem unable to let this go....

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I can type period.
Writing is like a 5 year old who didn't study.
All I know is I often type the same mistakes as I write, but it's alot faster, easier on the brain(headaches from writing) and I can fix the mistakes more easily.

In any case, typos have nothing to do with literacy. it's a TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR.

And yes, I do have aspergers.
I've made my point.

There seems to be no more misunderstanding as to what my point was, and i no longer have anything to say if that is the case.
I do find it strange that it took me writing a blamed DISSERTATION on this to get people to understand that comparison is a good way of determining the value of something...

Even SUCK is a relative term! In Brazil, the Master System DOESN'T COME SLOSE TO SUCKING. It RULES there.
Here, it's basically POINTLESS.
I'm NOT going into why. Wiki it.
Point HERE is that comparing GOOD and BAD things is a good way to see how much BETTER or WORSE they are.

Just saying "That's STUPID because...IT'S STUPID!" Isn't productive.
Neither is "That's stupid because...I don't like it!" or "...it's difficult!" Not good enough.
Relative terms need a baseline.
Mine in this case is CT.
Your might be different.
So what?
you know what they say about opinions and assholes...they're both all over ILX.

Requisite thread exit insult:
TOMBOT, you are an angry angry douche of a manchild.
That, my good man is turnabout. Fair play, and true.
I no longer feel any need to use any level of tact with you.
"My thread!"
Public forum.
Too bad, so sad.
I weep the tears of a crocodillian while I draw a bow across the globe's most liliputian chordophone.

Feel free to express your opinions about the subject I ever post a thread about. If you act the same, expect a simple report to a mod, as you're worth no more of a my time.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

" i no longer have anything to say if that is the case."
Crap, I guess THAT wasn't true....
I should have put that last...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Gzeus, chill for a bit. calm down, then come back and don't abuse your carriage return key like some sorta Squirrel Police

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 28 September 2006 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

Those are Marissa style line breaks, not S_P style.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 28 September 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

it all blends together after a while

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 28 September 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

Did aspergers exist before the internet?

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 28 September 2006 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, but it's sufferers weren't millionaires so no-one cared:)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Roffle

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 28 September 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

remind me never to click this thread again.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

Never click this thread again, teh_kit!

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I FALED@LIEF

― teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 28 September 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2006/20060908.jpg
...

Not that I didn't let the autopilot fight 90% of my battles in Final Fantasy Tactics for me. Grinding while doing yr chores, without having to tape buttons down or whatever!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, you can basically autopilot the whole game????

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah it's kind of the point apparently. You don't learn new actions, the autopilot does. By the end you're apparently just pushing people around on the map and hitting one button over and over and nothing else. Oh wait, that's EVERY FINAL FANTASY GAME EVER.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

The Final Fantasy series did more to make me hate console RPGs than anything else possibly could; give me Shining Force ANY DAY over that bullshit.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

you guys ever play Anachronax, which was Ion Storm's attempt a few years back to do a japanese/console RPG for computers(only far more funnier)? it was actually a really good game...

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Nope.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I downloaded it off mininova or somewhere. Didn't play much tho.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

it's fun, with a much better story than any console rpg. One of the characters is a planet of scientists shrunk down to beer keg size so's they can follow you around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronox

http://www.planetanachronox.com/anox1/info/char/party/democratus/democratus.jpg

The scientists all live on the little satellite thing, but at one point, your guys wind up on the surface, which you find is remarkably like late-19th Century Russia.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Fucking hardcore! I want to play it.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 28 September 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Out today, might as well bump this into new answers.

Just got this email:
Your order shipped on 10/30/2006.
-blah blah blah-
Thank you for shopping at EBGames.com.
So it'll probably be there tomorrow or Thursday.

Currently 92% on Game Rankings. Perfect scores from Gamespy, OPM, Gamepro and Play (not yet listed), no surprise there.

I'll post again after I've played it for a while, unless anyone here actually ran out and bought it today.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

no one willing to give it a bad review? is there ever any disagreement in the gaming press?

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's not quite as bad as the music gear industry.
Ever read ANY bad reviews for a guitar? They're there, but they're for $100 guitars with no promo and in second-rate mags.

The gaming press is still too focused on fancy pretty pictures.

Times will change. This game will not be remembered well.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

We can agree on this.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

I think the only games that get BAD reviews now are GTA wanna-bes. Square is the Disney of the games industry.... games filled with the same boring archetypes that appeal to self-centered 14 year old boys

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

The IGN review of this made me feel slightly nauseous. Just like 8 million words of "OH BUT THERE'S MORE" ass kissing.

― Mickey Neuman Snr (Ferg), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

gets a 10 on eurogamer which is a decent site. Bunny thing puts me off, lots of things put me off but i'm sure i'll end up getting it.

― Dxy (Danny), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

just wait for the doujins to make their way over here, if they haven't already

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I promise I will never play this game.

― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 November 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

That review is totally fucking awful. I want to take a big steaming shit on whoever wrote it

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/FFXIIPotionPremium.jpg

OH LOOK A BUTTPLUG

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Though it still has its own brand of Chocobos, Moogles (which have been redesigned, by the way), Airships, and other Square Enix staples, its flavor is decidedly European. This newfound direction and influence goes a long way in making old hats feel new again, and this fresh approach affects everything from the style and sound of the game to what would normally be recognizable character archetypes. It's somewhat evocative of what a videogame would be like if Terry Gilliam was involved... sort of an "Adventures of Baron Munchausen on Magicite."

I'm sure it is NOTHING LIKE THIS AT ALL. God I hate RPG fans

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yasumi Mitsuno (Vagrant Story, Tactics Ogre) really outdid himself by capturing the elements of storytelling that TV shows like Lost and 24 have built a following on -- by evolving the personalities, histories, and motives of characters you already thought you knew, but didn't. There really is no limit to how many great things can be said about the story.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Now a big mistake that many have made when coming into FF12, of course, is that the new battle mechanic is action-oriented and not turn-based. In reality, Final Fantasy XII still relies on a turn-based engine (much as the old games did), but it just disguises that fact with a clever use of time bars and simultaneous character movement.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.planetgamecube.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=17759

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

roffle at the buttplug

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 2 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

God I hate RPG fans

OTM

― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

hardcore RPG fans also have the worst taste in everything.

― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I like rpg's but the FF series is kinda gay.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 2 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

We do you remember that "Blue Skies in Video Games thing"? We need something like that.... I want my RPGs to look like an Iron Maiden album not a fucking Morning Musume video

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Iron_Maiden_-_Killers.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v29/xthreemilesdownx/meeee/5minimoni.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

God I hate Japs.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

FFI is the best. My favorite part of RPG's is wandering around getting in random battles, slowly, very slowly building up EPs.

― Jeff. (Jeff), Friday, 3 November 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

It's just arrived.
So I guess if I end up enjoying this in any way I sould just keep it to myself, eh?
Nah, I agree all those reviews are shit. I'll try to post impressions minus the bullshit fanboy hyperbole.

Here goes nothing...

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 3 November 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

That's like reading a review of a handmade custom guitar.

They come up with all kinds of intangible retarded 'specialnesses' that don't exist to SOMEHOW justify a 10,000 USD price.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 3 November 2006 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm assuming y'all won't give a shit about SPOILERS but
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1 hr. in, I have been sent out of town to hunt a ROGUE TOMATO. Uh...
Opening FMV goes by quick. Kind of a Star Wars looking parade/wedding followed by a LOTR type battle where the groom is killed.
Voice acting not bad except for the whiny emo boys, one of whom (the brother of main emo boy Vaan) is stabbed in the gut and killed quite nicely within the first half-hour.
Battle system still fucking boring. I don't play MMORPGs, so the only thing I can compare it to is KOTOR. I'm not at the point where I have to dick around with the gambit system yet.
Oh, and I've purchased my first LICENSE (for a fucking ACCESSORY).

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 3 November 2006 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

btw, cut scenes ARE skippable (hit start then X), including the intro.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 3 November 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a little more than an hour in and i'm enjoying it. nothing great, but it's fun. i like the battle system more than i like KOTOR's. even though they're pretty much the same. my main complaint is the character design. the only non human characters i've seen so far look like...lame lizard guys. and my first big fight was with....a tomato thing.

based on the first hour or so of play, i would rate it a 7 out of 10.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 3 November 2006 06:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'd go 7/10 so far. I'm a couple more hours in, just wasted some time getting Vaan to Lv. 4 for the hell of it and am now on the Sunstone quest with Penelo just joining my party.
Supposedly the story really kicks in at about the 10 hr. mark.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 3 November 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

But is it a GAME?
Can you do what you like? Go places in the 'incorrect' order?
Go exploring, even if it doesn't advance the story?
Is PLAYING more fun that watching?

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 3 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

the answer to all of those questions is yes.
it is a game, because...that's what it is. you can pretty much go where you want right from the start. nothing like GTA, but it's fun.
i ran around in the desert for a few hours, just leveling up and finding treasure. isn't every game more fun to play than watch?

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

Not all games. FFVIII and many of their ilk are just movies that you kinda move around betwen scenes.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Saturday, 4 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

mostly Linear main plots with useless side quests you have to go on gamefaqs to figure out! battle with no room for real tactics (BARDS FUCKING TALE had better battles)

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Sunday, 5 November 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

i will probz buy this even though i know it will bring me nothing but disappointment and raaaaaage

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 5 November 2006 01:57 (nineteen years ago)

[21:01] Harry Lime ARL: lol should i go buy FF12
[21:01] wizardishungry: you should be a man and beat up some 13 year old outside gamestop for it

― (9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 5 November 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

would be funnier as 'off' insead of 'up'

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

zing?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 5 November 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

not the intent

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Lol was still funny. For you.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

well unlike you bitter faggots i am quite looking forward to this game.
the tweeness doesn't bother me because i am capable of enjoying mario without whining about how he should be raping princess peach to make it more gritty, and if i judged every rpg by how non-linear it was i wouldn't be playing any console games since i have morrowind installed on my pc already.

― webber (webber), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Your mum?

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

"WAAAAH!!!"
Shut up.

If it's linear, it's not an RPG.
It's a turn-based (sometimes) platformer with RPG elements.

So, Die Off Into The Sea.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

I love being a bitter faggot. :)

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

every game is a rpg -- the only question is how many roles you get to play!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

"WAAAAH!!!"
Shut up.
If it's linear, it's not an RPG.
It's a turn-based (sometimes) platformer with RPG elements.

So, Die Off Into The Sea.

hahaha wtf is this post even about
linearity is obviously a relative thing, and ff12 looks to be the least linear final fantasy game (heaps of side quests you dont have to finish, easy access to monsters you cant hope to beat, pretty high customerisation of characters etc). having said that, making something less linear does not necessarily make it better

― webber (webber), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

i dont know what customerisation means either

― webber (webber), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's when you make someone into a customer and sell them something.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to go buy this and play it and that will likely finish the PS2 for me for the foreseeable future. I was talked into it.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Mario raping Princess Peach = worst minigame imaginable.

Hating overbearingly twee nonsense does not automatically mean someone likes overbearingly grim nonsense; GTA can go fuck the same ear FFXII is violating.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

This game is not nearly as twee as you would think. Well, the new moogles are but Vaan doesn't whine as much as earlier leads and the "rabbit stripper bitch" Fran barely has any lines, but when she does talk it's like this monotone Scandinavian accent, not cutesy.
Also, the way the story is told it doesn't try to make you GIVE A SHIT about the characters' FEELINGS the way the other FFs did.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

so i take it you guys haven't gotten to the "humping bunny stripper" sequence, then

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

dan, my point was that i - and probably the same people complaining that ff is too twee - will quite happily play mario (or katamari, or super monkey ball, or animal crossing, or ...), without its twee feel becoming a problem. why is final fantasy different? because it is far cooler to rail against on the internet?

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

If that bunny humping was the whole game, like, variations on that theme, I might buy it.

I'm pervy, yes.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

And a criminal by the sounds of it.

― Darramouss (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

get a room

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

What?

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm actually on topic, though...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think the big difference is that there is a solid game behind all of Mario's appearance, whereas the breakthrough Final Fantasy game was an empty-feeling exercise in cutscene masturbation that subsequent games in the series have extended into the biggest wankfest on the market outside of the Madden franchise and the Grand Theft Auto games.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

And MGS 2 don't forget.

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

I also forgot Splinter Cell.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

The biggest wankfests on the market are the 360 and PS3.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

Mario and Katanari's visual aesthetic looks NOTHING like crap serious anime.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

crap serious anime = a morning musume video? you cant even keep your vitriol consistent!

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

Dan Perry, I want to buy you Dragon Quest 8 for Xmas.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

4 1/2 hours in, it's pretty fucking good.
And Tom, you can buy my copy for Dan if you want.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

I hold fast: games should not be movies.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

Architecture should not be dancing.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Children should not be strippers.

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

I hold fast: games should not be movies.

B-b-but, Phoenix Wright and Killer 7 and SHENMUE (FFS, I thought you liked Sega!) to thread.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Shenmue = The greatest waiting-for-a-bus simulator evah evah.

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

The best bit of Shenmue is when it tells you you've got to go to work every day before persuing your father's killer. For a split second you think "No, you wouldn't" before you remember what game you're playing.

― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

I like Sega before the Dreamcast.

The Dreamcast seems to be a series of gimmicks.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

B-b-but JSR! SC5! SdA!

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

(I R action/rhythm whore, I know)

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

I loves me Shmups and other 2D/rail games.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeah at least those aren't linear

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

THey're not RPGs.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

they're more like movies.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

UGH

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hating overbearingly twee nonsense does not automatically mean someone likes overbearingly grim nonsense; GTA can go fuck the same ear FFXII is violating.

Dan = Dead to me now.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

They're not like movies at all. Christ.

What are you, 14?

An RPG is something that should allow you to DO WHAT YOU WANT and get different outcomes.
Side-quests alone do not an RPG make.

Shooting games are SHOOTING GAMES. Win/lose. If win, count points. The End. you have to DO things the whole time. Constant interaction. If you sit still, you lose.
Stop being antagonistic because I disagree with you.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

i just prefer my games to be interactive, not just like watching something happen. it's okay, we don't have to agree on that point.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

THAT'S MY POINT.

Shooting, killing, recieving damage, and dying. That;s interaction.

STOP BEING ANTAGONISTIC.

FF games aren't interactive. If you don't do what they want you to, you cannot advance.
You then still there for extended period WATCHING the game.

There are also many things that you can do that have NO effect on advancing.

I wanted to avoid binging up CT again, but you've forced my hand.

You can beat the game and many many points, especially with new game+.
The side quests greatly effect the outcome wen you do beat it, and any times you sit and punch the A button last for 3-4 minutes at most, and are rare.

Interactive. Based on exploration. Largely non-linear. That is an RPG.

Linear. Based on introducing the next scene. Linear. That is FF.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Comparing action games to RPGs is apples and oranges. Both are fruit, both are sweet, but you eat them differently, they have different nutritional properties, and they sound completely different when I throw them at your big face.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

multiple endings are a gimmick.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Endings are a gimmick

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

You finally lost your mind didn't you?

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

it sounds more like you want your games to be like tv shows, gzeus.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

or choose your own adventure books

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

This is completely fucking awesome and I'm totally stealing it for my next online argument.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/carmen%20copy.jpg

― lk (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

and RPG IS a 'CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE.'
ROLE PLAYING game.

you play a ROLE and play a GAME.

Not wander a round a bit and watch a movie piece by piece.

Dar: What mind?

T A C: I liked it as well.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

You are the Humbert Humbert of Chrono Trigger fans.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 9 November 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's the best console RPG out there.
I considerit what to shoot for. The only other way to go and still call it an RPG is to base it on D&D rules, and there were several releases for XBox at least that followed that trend. 1st and third person, more action based battles, but the SYSTEM of gameplay was total D&D. The classes, the clans, the armor, the shops, the magic...

My brother in law spent months on one game. So many quests, so many people to meet, so muh you could do other than plod towards a 'goal' that the game forces you to without really challenging you.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 10 November 2006 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys, I can't be bothered to read this whole thread but I just want to say WTF - FFXII!!!! It's just one big dumb movie! Crazy!

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 10 November 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

A winner=Larry

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Larry I like your upfront style.

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 10 November 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

BAN YOU AND ME

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

and you folks wanted me to ban Gzeus...

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know either of them!

― Darramouss - The endlessly self-justifying joke (Darramouss ftw), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Are you like, permanantly drunk, Dar?

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

That Penny Arcade post TOMBOT mentioned on the other thread is the best explanation of the battle system I've read so far. I wanted to post something like it but didn't feel like typing it all out.
Should be linked here for the skeptics:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/11/06#1162840740

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 13 November 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

So it does all the work for you unless you ask it not to.

That's like Doom coming with God Mode on unless you deactivate it.

Diffuculty and having to make choices is part of playing a game.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Monday, 13 November 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/sevenxviii/1121007172-08.gif

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 13 November 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

Soon we'll be able to just watch games on our DVD players.

― Darramouss (Denton Price), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

That's about all PS2 is. A ton of easy mediocrity for stoners, a few OK fighting games and RPGs, and movies that are called RPGs.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

I do kind of agree with you. I've bought 2 PS2's in my life and I definitely prefer pc games and Xbox.

― Darramouss (Denton Price), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

Not a big Xbox fan, but they at least got some decent sports games. The first Halo was ok.
Once it bacame spore zombie whatever I got bored. Halo 2 killed the first one for me.

XBox at least had decent video quality. The PS2 has noticible blurriness.
I think that's because it's MADE BY SONY.

DOOMED. They're DOOMED!!! i'm not making an argument here, just celebrating...please ignore...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah fuck Sony. Microsoft ftw!

― Darramouss (Denton Price), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

That's about all PS2 is. A ton of easy mediocrity for stoners, a few OK fighting games and RPGs, and movies that are called RPGs.

*gzeus goes back to playing his sega cd*

ps lmao

― webber (webber), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

I am fully aware that the Sega CD has like 12 good games.
Thing is, it's 12 games that I want to play.
PS2 has one series: Katamari.
Also, the Sega CD still works. I dare you to find a PSanything that works 14 years later.
The only part that has ANY trouble is the drawer: Made by Sony.

Sony markets their systems to stoners and magazine editors. They're selling to their stockholders more than the end user.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

This at least is partly true, most of my rl friends are stoners and they love PS2 games that don't involve any brainpower.

― Darramouss (Denton Price), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Can a mod please replace the entirety of the posts on this thread with the following loop?

I think that's because it's MADE BY SONY.
DOOMED. They're DOOMED!!! i'm not making an argument here, just celebrating...please ignore...
-- The GZeus, November 13th, 2006 12:14 PM. (The GZeus) (link)
Yeah fuck Sony. Microsoft ftw!
-- Darramouss, November 13th, 2006 12:15 PM. (Denton Price) (link)
Sony markets their systems to stoners and magazine editors. They're selling to their stockholders more than the end user.
-- The GZeus, November 13th, 2006 4:36 PM. (The GZeus) (link)
This at least is partly true, most of my rl friends are stoners and they love PS2 games that don't involve any brainpower.
-- Darramouss, November 13th, 2006 8:05 PM. (Denton Price) (link)
I think that's because it's MADE BY SONY.
DOOMED. They're DOOMED!!! i'm not making an argument here, just celebrating...please ignore...
-- The GZeus, November 13th, 2006 12:14 PM. (The GZeus) (link)
Yeah fuck Sony. Microsoft ftw!
-- Darramouss, November 13th, 2006 12:15 PM. (Denton Price) (link)
Sony markets their systems to stoners and magazine editors. They're selling to their stockholders more than the end user.
-- The GZeus, November 13th, 2006 4:36 PM. (The GZeus) (link)
This at least is partly true, most of my rl friends are stoners and they love PS2 games that don't involve any brainpower.
-- Darramouss, November 13th, 2006 8:05 PM. (Denton Price) (link)

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://web.joespub.com/caltool/nicemedia/images/DONOTWANT1.jpg

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Soon we'll be able to just watch games on our DVD players.

And everything will be 1992 again!

Also:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460746/

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

GZeus, I hate sony but ffs the PS2 has a number of good games

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Can a mod please replace the entirety of the posts on this thread with the following loop?

hang on, i'm gunna need a script for that

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

"We're gonna need a bigger script"?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Sony markets their systems to stoners and ... editors.

As a stoner, an editor, and a PS2 owner, I feel a little uneasy.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

"PS2 has a number of good games"
Yes.
Five is a number.

Duh-dun TSS!!!

You opened the door, I just walked through it...

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

I will stand behind God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, THPS3 & 4, MGS2 & 3, Gran Turismo, the Winning Eleven series, Amplitude/Frequency, Psychonauts, Gitaroo Man, Soul Calibur, Alien Hominid, and GTA III & Vice City, but I think there aren't all that many good games for many systems. I barely even consider checking out games if they don't receive rave reviews. The B or C rated games generally leave me cold.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

This game gets rave reviews.
Titanic(movie) got rave reviews. it won 5 oscars.

Sonic the Hedgehog didn't do that well in the press.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

This game gets rave reviews.

Yeah, but I don't like RPGs.

Titanic(movie) got rave reviews. it won 5 oscars.

Film really doesn't work as a comparison for me. I find video game reviews to be very reliable, and film reviews to be incredibly unreliable.

Sonic the Hedgehog didn't do that well in the press.

Source please.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Please just lock this thread - unless out of consideration that locking it might drive him over to the other FF12 one.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

Shut up, dude.
I'm NOT PLAYING THE GAME.

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

Poly, if you don't like RPGs what place do you have in theis thread?

― The GZeus (The GZeus), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

Poly, if you don't like RPGs what place do you have in theis thread?

It is a thread about how horrible a RPG "will be" -- it's the perfect thread for me.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I don't think you really have the necessary ethos around here to be the topic police.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

The user The GZeus now has the locked permission on this board.

Time to chill for a bit, and come back tomorrow.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.offbeat.group.shef.ac.uk/images/badge2.gif

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

Those are Marissa style line breaks, not S_P style.

-- Marmot (marmotwolo...), September 28th, 2006 6:26 AM. (marmotwolof)

OTFM, she's deleted herself from the Internets and played CHRONO TRIGGER ever since.

I never her.

― ONIMO feels teh NOIZE (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

This thread = wow.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I made that "DO NOT WANT" just for this thread!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

It deserved it!

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 25 January 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/459841_20050516_screen012.jpg

― aidsy (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Friday, 26 January 2007 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Was there really any point in reviving this thread?

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Friday, 26 January 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Sony markets their systems to stoners and magazine editors. They're selling to their stockholders more than the end user.

-- The GZeus, November 13th, 2006 4:36 PM. (The GZeus) (link)

haha i might offended by this if i knew what the hell this thread was talking abt!

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

though at certain points of my life i've certainly been a member of both aforementioned groups. (not the former anymore though)

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 January 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, M@tt it's nothing directed at YOU. I'm just saying they made the specs really high so as to impress people in your profession.
Mush like if a bass manufacturer made some fancy schmancy bass with X features, Y electronics and Z special woods, fanned frets, 6+ strings...
Reviewers would drool and need new pants, but the bass would still cost 4k USD for the basic model, and it's not easy to write/play music for/on it...
I think that's way too convoluted, but I suck at truncating.

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado; Vampires Eat Christians (The GZeus), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Matt, you're a stockholder? Can you buy me a beer?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Can I play my Wiimote through a guitar amp?

― UART variations (ex machina), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Matt, you're a stockholder? Can you buy me a beer?

-- Forksclovetofu (forksclovetof...), January 26th, 2007. (Forksclovetofu)

no, but i can send you the appropriate number of Wii points and you can download one from nintendo.

yep, ps3 is hard to develop for. but that's always been true of sony hardware.

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 January 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Conkers Jerks It! for the Wii, coming soon.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

i'm shocked no one's freaking out over square enix licensing the unreal 3 engine for development! never thought i'd see the day....

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

I sEE you stiLL have typing TOURETTES Gzeus :x

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Saturday, 27 January 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHA SQUARE.

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado is Sick of Fucking His User Name (The GZeus), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

How you been man you beat Chrono Trigger yet? I beat it years ago I can give you some tips if you like :)

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Saturday, 27 January 2007 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why is GZeus still posting on ILG? I though he was banned! This thread is a good illustration of why!

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

It's months old and was revived to increase the prevalence of that sentiment.
In reality all it illustrates is that people here are willing to crucify someone for agreeing with them if the manner in which it's done it isn't to their liking.

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado is Sick of Fucking His User Name (The GZeus), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, we tend to only ban him for a day or so until he cools down. it takes him a bit to get revved up again.

― kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree. Also his martyr complex is real pain.

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's more of a persecution complex.
It would be less obvious if people would stop perscuting anyone who's serious.
I just don't use sarcasm, and consider my opinions for a long time before espressing them.
People here somehow see that as an attack. That's bizzare.

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado is Sick of Fucking His User Name (The GZeus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

John Updike wrote about Sexual Personae:

It feels less a survey than a curiously ornate harangue. Her percussive style -- one short declarative sentence after another -- eventually wearies the reader; her diction functions not so much to elicit the secrets of books as to hammer them into submission.... The weary reader longs for the mercy of a qualification, a doubt, a hesitation; there is little sense, in her uncompanionable prose, of exploration occuring before our eyes, of tentative motions of thought reflected in a complex syntax.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

GZeus hasn't been bad on this thread since it was revived! I don't see what the problem is.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

You mean he got through a whole post without capitalising one word?

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

People dislike the WAY I talk.
I use sarcasm for it's intended purpose(sheathing an insult by speaking the opposite of what you mean) as opposed to being perpetually sardonic.
I speak literally and frankly(and yes, I can be crass).
Again, people take that as an attack, and then proceed to use sarcasm for its intended purpose(rare here) and then slowly ramp into full-on insults at me.
Somehow my comebacks, since they are stated literally, are worse, and then mods begin trolling me until THOSE comebacks induce them to banning me or to post this:
http://www.iengraverock.com/images/issues.jpg
in a yellow card.

Basically, the entire revival is an attempt to goad me into exploding.
This is funny.
Not aggravating.

Darr.
Do you want my cocaine, or something?
If so, you'll need to search the itnernet for 20 minutes and find another post of mine from 4 years ago and make THAT into an image and then upload it and post it here again.
And you still won't get my cocaine, because...I don't have any.

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado Still Rules at Doom (The GZeus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

both of you shut the fuck up or I'm bringing the ban hammer.
here, I'll use sarcasm the way you like it, right now.

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

When will you?

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado Still Rules at Doom (The GZeus), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Don't know about you GZeus but this internet tough guy and his hammer certainly give me the willies.

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

Do either of you have anything to say about VIDEO GAMES?

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

I like video games they are fun. Oblivion's my fave single player game at the moment. The scope of what you can get up to is amazing. My fave Online game is 2142 Battlefield for similar reasons. :)

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Sunday, 28 January 2007 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

sup tom

― webber (webber), Monday, 29 January 2007 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

i like thread title change.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 January 2007 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

which thread was this? it kinda looks like a lot of other ILG threads.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 29 January 2007 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/459841_20050516_screen012.jpg

― webber (webber), Monday, 29 January 2007 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://videogamesheaven.net/movie-final-fantasy-xii.htm

all 40 cutscenes from the game!!!!!

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

So that'll be the whole game then.

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Monday, 29 January 2007 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

FFXII has some huge dungeon crawls. Y'all don't even know.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

rogue galaxy is out this week so I never have to find out!

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

i gave tom mod powers for the entertainment factor.

― kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

kudos!!!!

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 29 January 2007 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear :)

― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Monday, 29 January 2007 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

It's Tom's turn to yellowcard Darramouss, amirite?

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 29 January 2007 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yawn

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, you're a meme! You should be pleased.

― teh_kit (g-kit), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I would be if these illiterate yank fucktards would spell my name right.

― Darramouss! (Darramouss), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

I was all in favor of being completely hands-off until you said that! Oh well.

― TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I actually don't have a problem with him.
I don't think he's a troll, I think he's schizo, or something.
It's amusing.
Not that I don't think he should get help if that IS the case. I have a friends who's schizo. He has cool ideas, but it's always better when he can tell what's a good idea and what should be made into a work of fiction.

I ANY CASE. If a really aweful baseball game comes out for the Wii I'll get one.
That's as video game related as I can get right now. I'm so damned physically sick right now...

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado Still Rules at Doom (The GZeus), Monday, 29 January 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Jeez, things got quiet here today

― kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Good?

― Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado Still Rules at Doom (The GZeus), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

considering the alternative, sure

― kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

I can't remember. Did we ban both darramous AND Gzeus, or what?

also, where's laura been?

― kingfish, Monday, 14 May 2007 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

Both were banned (thank goodness in GZeus' case. Pyscho that he was etc etc, can't remember why darramous was banned!). Laura? I don't know.

― kv_nol, Monday, 14 May 2007 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Darra was properly banned, he just chose not to come back. I didn't ban GZ either, but I yellowcarded them both. Maybe they hooked up? When will we get mod powerz back again, so the saga can continue?

― g-kit, Monday, 14 May 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

right, this thread.

― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 03:26 (nineteen years ago)

ha, I win.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

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