As long as we are starting fights - INVERTED VS NORMAL LOOK POLL

I think we might've done this but any chance to go at it again

inverted isn't for remmies

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.

source material: when did inverted look stop being the default?

has to be inverted (i have no idea when i got used to inverted though, it seems weird that it's more natural for me)

WOULD YOU PUSH A JOYSTICK FORWARD TO LOOK UP? ugh.

INVERTED 4 LIFE

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invert. my god.

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 7:20 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

please go buy some airplane lessons and tell me how the 'normal look' went for you if you come back.

Inverted made sense when everyone was using joysticks and most games that used it were flight sims. Nowadays, not so much...

INVERTED 4 LIFE

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― carne asada, Monday, January 5, 2009 1:27 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it is a matter of dimensions not of controllers.

desktop type OS = 2d = move mouse or joystick forward to move cursor up
first person view game = 3d = move mouse or joystick back to move viewpoint up.

well, dimensions + viewpoints

Normal is just rong.

Now there needs to be one about left/right inverted.

(for detached camera games e.g. 3D platformers)

was playing Saints Row 2 with my bro over the break and we kept having to switch between inverted and normal when we'd pass the controller back and forth. Until then I had no idea anyone actually preferred normal look. I guess I played too many flight simulators in the 80s and early 90s to ever go back, and why should I? I mean I could learn to type with a different keyboard setup but wtf.

Now there needs to be one about left/right inverted.
(for detached camera games e.g. 3D platformers)

not sure what you mean here but i was thinking of (made-up terminology alert) 'point n go' versus 'rotate then move' paradigms. ie either you push the stick in the direction you want to run, or you move the stick left or right to rotate anti-clockwise or clockwise, then push forward to move in the direction you're facing.

whichever one of these it is that lego star wars has in the x-wing flying sections, really screwed me up.

Inverted made sense when everyone was using joysticks and most games that used it were flight sims. Nowadays, not so much...
― Nhex, Monday, January 5, 2009 8:06 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

I'm pretty sure most console FPS games use a joystick for looking on the game controller (albeit a small joystick).

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 7:20 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

please go buy some airplane lessons and tell me how the 'normal look' went for you if you come back.

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax)

Ah, that famous FPS "flying an airplane".

For flight sims or whatever inverted would make sense, but I don't think we're talking about that.

But it's far closer to the feeling (thumb control) of a D-pad than it is grasping a joystick. My point is inverted look made sense back then because you were actually simulating being in a cockpit and flying an aircraft, even one in space with jets propelling you from the back.

In most games now, FPS, you simulate your actual eyes and head, so far that it's actually modeled in the game now when you turn your head in any direction. Doesn't it make more sense to move your chin DOWN to look at the ground, and forehead UP to look at the sky? (of course you could make the argument that you're pulling your head back to look up = "down", but come on...)

flight sims aside, it still makes some kind of intuitive 3D sense to me, like leaning back to look up and leaning forward to look down.

ha xp

sorry but cutty nailed it

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intuitive 3D sense - 100% agreement. Like tilting your head.

flying has nothing to do with it, even in a plane you're just pointing the stick to change your attitude, the plane just happens to fly in the direction it's facing. moving the stick forward = changing the attitude of the [imaginary] plane (i mean surface not aircraft) that the stick is on, tilting it downwards (at the front), and then the plane (i mean aircraft not surface) matches that movement.

clear as mud eh? lucky i don't write technical manuals for a living.

and yup it's just like tilting your head.

i think of tilting my head as looking up, rather than thinking of it as pulling my head back.

inverted ftw, now and forever. "normal" look is newspeak at its archest.

ledge, say in Ratchet & Clank when you push the view stick left to swing the camera one way and right to swing it the other. I think it's called screen-relative control or something (as opposed to character-relative control).

NORMAL and all of you inverties are crazy.

YOU ARE

BUT WHAT AM I?

oh wait

Inverted is normal and all you normalies are inverted!!!

Normal! Maybe inverted would make sense if every direction were reversed, like in Ratchet & Clank as described above, but when left is left and right is right, then up should be up and down should be down.

plus nobody plays flight sims anymore

Pushing forward makes the camera go down. Makes perfect sense.

i think of tilting my head as looking up, rather than thinking of it as pulling my head back.

― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 9:20 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who the fuck thinks of movement that way

normal 4 life

how someone could think this is such a gigantic mystery to me that it kind of reawakens my sense of wonder at the incredible diversity of life on this planet

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hahah

while using analog stix i don't feel it it as 'up' and 'down' i naturally feel it as 'pushing fwd' and 'pulling back', it's just habit really.

this instincively changes when flipping to a menu or something obviously up-down like a 2d map screen, hmmm

Pushing up to make the camera go up is spazmo. I actually cannot play games that are configured that way.

It has nothing to do with aeroplane sims btw, it's just common freaking sense.

What I am trying to say is that some of you are inferior.

it's just habit really. ― goole

this^^^
also, it's not just joystick flight simulators. think about the fps pc games. I would play quake with a mouse and the keyboard. pushing the mouse forward would make the camera go down, back in the days of Quake and Duke Nukem 3D. Was this the natural mouse preset, I wonder. But none the less, I played inverted - the only difference was that I used a mouse.

why yes inverted obviously

Another poll is mouse control for FPSes. I HATED that.

what?

mouse control for fps is really the only way to play. I've resigned myself to playing shit on my xbox, but that's only because I can't be bothered frittering away money on upgrading my computer every year. Counterstrike with my sensitivity at like 1.3 or something I was the aim master, can never get that kind of control on a pad.

^^^mouse control for fps is really the only way to play. OTM

FPS games - normal. You go to aim at an enemy above and to the left of you - that's where you should move the mouse.

Did you inverted dicks whinge about shit like Virtua Cop etc not being inverted.

Of course, the only way to settle would be some sort of Team Fortress Inv vs. Norm game.

'inverted dicks'

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FPS games - normal. You go to aim at an enemy above and to the left of you - that's where you should move the mouse.

i can follow this if i'm playing something where i'm moving a crosshairs on the screen, like duck hunt or operation wolf ... but if i'm moving the camera, inverted for reasons explained above (looking up = pulling head back)

Count me as another Inverted. I can get used to non-inverted (like if I'm swapping controllers with my flatmate, who prefers 'normal'), but I just don't find it intuitive. For the record, I've never played a flight sim to any great degree.
With mouse keyboard, it makes sense to move up to move the field of vision up, becuase you're basically pointing to where you want your dude to look. I guess with using inverted it is like if you were standing behind someone, manipulating their head to make them look the right way; you'd pull their head back to make them look up, and push it forward to look down. All in all, i guess it's just down to habit. But 'normals' are just in the habit of being crazy and wrong.

INVERTED 4 LIFE
INVERTED 4 LIFE
INVERTED 4 LIFE

there's nothing intuitive about normal. y'all normals are fucking newbies!

it's like you picked up a controller one day in your mid-20s and decided maybe you should start playing video games. why not start smoking while yr at it.

What I am trying to say is that some of you are inferior.

― if some1 could fills me in i would like it (Autumn Almanac), Monday, January 5, 2009 7:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fascists

i'm sure you can find many 13 year olds who agree with you

my first post on ilg:

INVERTED FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST

I think there might be an age thing here, I'm too young to remember inverted being the standard so I never thought I'd try out opposite way madness for a laugh. Well maybe it's not that I was too young, just that I was just playing SNES platformers and shit instead of fps and flight sims back in the day (although I am now remembering that I used to play Star Fox inverted, but that made sense, sense you're a pilot).

since even

I don't think I played an FPS until Halflife.

inverted is for old people

and don't you forget it

considering i haven't even SEEN a flight joystick since the days of the 486 and amiga, NORMAL. maybe if those things stayed cool (which they should have, THEY WERE COOL) thne i'd say inverted!

I will push up if I want to look up, thank you.

inverted, but I suck at almost every game that uses these mechanics

well that is probably because you are setting your controls the wrong way

shd ilx ever get killfiles this thread will be the basis for my initial cull list

INVERTED 4 LIFE

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you will cull yourself?

roll-call of honour

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this is not like the instinctive weirdness which involves the skateboarding choice of regular vs. goofy foot. this is about RIGHT vs. RONG.

what happens when you inverts want to turn left? do you sit there furrowing your sloped brows while desperately clawing at the controller, trying to twist the stick? or do you realise that it's a lot easier to just POINT THE STICK IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT THE CAMERA TO FACE

you can invert the y-axis and leave the x-axis alone you malingering assbaby

who inverts the horizontal? I mean come on!

any weirdos go inverted horizontal w/normal vertical? O_O

YES

Because as with up/down it's the direction in which you're pulling the camera, not the direction in which you're facing it.

wait what you actual invert the horizontal? is this an australia thing?

cutty tell me you don't do this

Because as with up/down it's the direction in which you're pulling the camera, not the direction in which you're facing it.

― INVERTED 4 LIFE (Autumn Almanac)

my point is if you're holding a camera, you twist to look left, you don't "go" in any direction (or alternatively, if the stick is supposed to be your character's head, you would twist it to look left, just as you would pull it backwards to look up). so it doesn't make sense to me to say that inverting is the only way to look up or down, when you clearly don't do the same thing with left and right. it's inconsistent.

i mean by being comfortable with "push stick left = turn camera left" you are clearly subscribing to the way normal people see the world

so it's not that alien to you

I'M RIGHT

webber is right

normal for life

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webber I used to do some telly work involving moving a camera on a tripod with a stick, which might have influenced my preference because pushing down = up, pushing left = right &c.

and you of course are retardo montalban

oh okay, so THAT makes sense. doing up = down and left = left does not, however

normal for life

― s1ocki, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 9:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm lock thread

oh okay, so THAT makes sense. doing up = down and left = left does not, however

― webber

BOOM!

yes webber absolutely otm

bullshit! up=down and left=left is exactly how aeroplanes work; and the pilot is not really 'going' in any direction, he's just pointing the aircraft in a particular direction, the aircraft itself does the 'going'.

no way i fucking invert horizontal! mentalism.

you normals know you are bush league, right?

we're the future homie

do you guys ride those old-timey bicycles too?

part of me is scared that once our inverted generation dies--there will be none of us. the invert look option will be obsolete ;_;

no one will be there to tell your stories

education is the silver bullet. that and a breeding drive.

and some sort of memorial

apply darwinian theory and i think the inverteds have the upper-hand here.

because of this thread I am training my children to play inverted and to mock "normals" on the playground. This battle will be won before you even know it's a fight.

because of this thread i am going to play games w/ x inverted and y normal from now on just to SHOW YOU ALL HOW SILLY IT IS... ILX THIS IS TEARING OUR FAMILY APART

that or i am playing games w/ fixed cameras only.

there is nothing silly about it. IT'S THE NATURAL ORDER OF THINGS SINCE GOLDENEYE. HOW DARE YOU.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=goldeneye+inverted+look

4th result on google

also:
http://gamepeople.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/down-is-up/

There are many things that can affect where the player subconsciously locates themselves. It could be that an extroverted player is used to interacting in an open and forthright manner may feel they were controlling the game world from in front of themselves. Similarly an introverted player who is more reserved and withdrawn may feel they were controlling the game from a safe distance behind themselves. It could also be that those used to scientific work were used to manipulating theories in their heads and therefore controlling environments from behind themselves. Similarly, those used to artistic work may be more used to working with material in front of themselves.

we are young, extroverted and artistic

you are old and autistic

Yes, whenever I analyze things it's as if I'm controlling an environment from behind myself! That guy is brilliant!

It could also be that those used to scientific work were used to manipulating theories in their heads and therefore controlling environments from behind themselves

What? Is 'inside my head' meant to be behind myself?

It could also be that those used to scientific artistic work were used to manipulating theories images in their heads and therefore controlling environments from behind themselves. Similarly, those used to artistic scientific work may be more used to working with material instruments in front of themselves.

face it all you inverts are on the wrong side of history

someday a real rain will come and wash all this normie scum off the streets

Similarly, those who blog about games may in fact be more used to retrieving material directly from their own asses, where smell and decomposition becomes a key factor. We shall have to see whether the big software companies take up this challenge.

there are two types of people in this world...

Behind: If the player feels they are controlling movement from behind their head with joypad , they are likely to find an inverted control scheme works best for them. Pulling back on their stick therefore tilts their head up and should move the play field up.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING

bullshit! up=down and left=left is exactly how aeroplanes work; and the pilot is not really 'going' in any direction, he's just pointing the aircraft in a particular direction, the aircraft itself does the 'going'.

wait, shouldn't left in an aircraft roll the craft towards the left side?

yeah but only cause of aerodynamics. what about a spaceship? left could just as well = yaw left.

Don't know, I have never driven a spaceship.

pretty inexperienced for a moonman

i thought you drove spaceship australia

Wait, does anybody but Autumn invert left and right? that's fucking nuts.

joystick, flight sim etc makes sense for inverted, mouselook fps doesn't.

I don't invert mouse left & right, just for consoles when the camera is separate from the character.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Normal for me, but I admire Autumn's inverted thoroughness.

my point is if you're holding a camera, you twist to look left, you don't "go" in any direction (or alternatively, if the stick is supposed to be your character's head, you would twist it to look left, just as you would pull it backwards to look up). so it doesn't make sense to me to say that inverting is the only way to look up or down, when you clearly don't do the same thing with left and right. it's inconsistent.

― webber, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:33 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean by being comfortable with "push stick left = turn camera left" you are clearly subscribing to the way normal people see the world

― webber, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:35 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so it's not that alien to you

― webber, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:35 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'M RIGHT

― webber, Tuesday, January 6, 2009 5:44 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

This

I also wonder how many suggest bans have originated on this thread

yeah but only cause of aerodynamics. what about a spaceship? left could just as well = yaw left.

― ledge, Wednesday, January 7, 2009 3:50 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

Yaw = pedals. I hope you have pedals for your FPS.

If I did, they would strafe.

touche.

Also, there's too much talk about "imagining yourself behind yourself" and weird imaginary perspectives that's inhibiting both sides. You're adding a third perspective that isn't needed - rather, it's that you, the player (your actual self) are behind the TV/imaginary soldier, and you're controlling them from behind. This could lend credence to either side - either pointing which way you want the camera in front of you to face, or pulling back to look up, or whatever. I just wanted to clarify. Cuz if we're gonna fight this thing out, we've gotta set some ground rules.

If we're gonna fight this thing out, we do it in deathmatch and we'll see how "normals" fare.

normals less old, hence faster reflexes.

faster reaction to headshots, maybe

INVERTED 4 LIFE

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haha this poll has accepted my vote like three times I think

x-post

Webber still has it right. Unless you somehow still rely on flight sims on your Tandy from 1990 as your formative experience and translate that to FPSs where you play a soldier, the "pulling back" on a camera argument makes no sense unless you're talking about those studio cameras with a handle behind it.
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2100736/cameraman-main_Full.jpg
If you're somehow imagining yourself as a soldier behind one of these things with an M-16 duct taped to the side of the camera, if you're pulling down on the handle, your camera will look up. Yes, that could be natural. But there's an enemy soldier up on a balcony, above you and to the left. Where do you move the handle? DOWN AND RIGHT. If you insist that "pulling back and left" is natural, you're going to end up looking up and to the right, not to the left. An admirable, truly inverted man like Autumn would pull back and right on his PS3 joystick and shoot the soldier. But if you're one of the other goons playing with inverted vertical settings and insisting that you're "pointing" the camera by pushing the nose up and pulling the back down, you're still just being normal by thinking "let's look left - so I'll press LEFT on the stick."

When it comes to logical consistency, only the Normals (and crazies like Autumn) have it right.

you take your logical consistency, I will take our victory

you're full of zingers today aren't you

I am bringing the heat

i like the "flight sim" argument — why is it not arbitrary that planes control this way?

btw, obviously inverted

Right I'm now gonna be the SOLE voice of REASON on this thread - the forward/backward and up/down planes are ORTHOGONAL therefore there is NO logical connection between the two and any justification for either choice will be largely POST HOC and ARBITRARY.

That said, normal is nuts and for noobs.

the war is already over guys... we won

i mean when was the last time you played a game where inverted was the default control mode? the world has moved on

default = N00B

i am loving this fight, it's like the elections all over again

CMON GUYS STILL REALLY?!

this reminds me of the election in that "i'm canadian haen't you guys PICKED YET" way.

Canadians don't say the letter v?

inverted is not the default because you are of N00BS. my television doesn't default to fuckin PBS either.

I MEAN YOU ARE ALL NOOBS. DAMMIT.

you are of NOOB STOCK

woah NEWFLASH

in shadow of the colossus there are TWO (count em) definitions of normal and TWO definitions of inverted

a different set for each of the camera and aiming

MIND. BLOWN.

NEWFLASH

consider my director of sales freaked out

fast meme deployment, a+

ts: NEWFLASH vs. "of N00BS"

winner, of course, is "of N00BFLASH"

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

I DEMAND A RECOUNT.

SOCKPUPPETS WERE USED HERE.

srsly

24 sockpuppet N00BS

haha this poll has accepted my vote like three times I think

― Ant Attack.. (Ste)

Proof the system was flawed. The result cannot stand.

Even if Ste was voting normal!

Please refer to me as Otm Almanac in all further correspondence

it would have been higher for the "normals" except many of them were too busy losing at whatever they're playing

And it would have been a bigger win for inverted if the 'verties weren't off playing Goldeneye, flight sims and cocksucking.

if by "cocksucking" you mean "whipping normal ass" then I agree entirely

All this proves is that most gamers on ILX are stodgy old farts

stodgy old KICKASS and righter than you'll ever be farts thank you very much

ts: stodgy old fart v retard

ridiculous

haha this poll has accepted my vote like three times I think

― Ant Attack.. (Ste)

Proof the system was flawed. The result cannot stand.

gosh i voted three times for normal, we were slaughtered in this poll weren't we. We really are a bunch of shocking noobs.

From now on it's inverted all the way for me, thank you ilgers for showing me the light.

inverts--good turnout!

noobs--get a clue!

its like prop 8 all over again

because the gays got outvoted?

ouch

if by "cocksucking" you mean "whipping normal ass" then I agree entirely

― Euler, Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I think he mean putting a male's penis in your mouth and sucking on it

not a females penis though

cuz that would just be weird

that could apply too. inverteds might like the trannies, goes well with the whole "down is up" thing

i would say that the odds are that inverted peeps would be tranny-chasers - just sort of goes with the general mindset i think

that's because we imagine ourselves behind the tranny. otherwise you'd be imagining yourself in front of the tranny getting a NORMAL fuck in the ass.

you guys have been playing GTA IV against 14 year olds too much.

I was going to post "lol gamers" but yeah, Mordy OTM

that could apply too. inverteds might like the trannies, goes well with the whole "down is up" thing

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Friday, January 16, 2009 6:32 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i would say that the odds are that inverted peeps would be tranny-chasers - just sort of goes with the general mindset i think

― R. L. Stinebeck (John Justen), Friday, January 16, 2009 6:35 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

POLL

old farts don't play video games that have inverted or normal options. they only play wii bowling. - so that dispels the old farts prefer inverted theory.

http://www.jnintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ap_wii_080114_ms.thumbnail.jpg

http://www.ryansgoblog.com/images/oldman.jpg

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/Old_gamers.jpg

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/grandma_gamer_thumb.jpg

http://www.videogamer.com/news/lets_all_use_inverted_controls_says_miyamoto.html

"I've always felt that if the industry could just settle on one standard it would be a lot easier for us as developers," he told an audience at a Nintendo roundtable in Los Angeles. "I've always felt that at some point we need to find a point where we can unify these two groups."]

;_; oh those poor developers, they probably have to spend like ten whole seconds enabling inverted look and all just so that I can "actually enjoy" their game

in summary,

http://i.imgur.com/2ruxc.jpg

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tho i gotta say that google streetview's implementation of x-axis inversion is a constant source of aggravation

inverted is bullshit

sorry about your tiny brain 8[

Maverick: I was also... inverted
Iceman: *cough*bullshit*cough*

Although I will side with all the people who are "WTF Shiggy?" - Nintendo can spend time making a controller that looks like a Teletubbies' placemat, but can't spend the time to add a tick box to a menu?

best ilg thread?

well best opening post is definitely here: I just played Chrono Trigger for over an hour.

normal-lookers are palsied and horse-like, more like

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