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I wasn't expecting anything from this game, but after watching the 1up show yesterday I decided to download the demo and give it a try...

So, surprisingly, I'm really liking it. The feel, look and sound seem great (so far). The trick system is a little hard at first, but after playing the demo a few times, I'm definitely improving - and now I'm really looking forward to the game coming out next friday. It seems like a nice change of pace & I'm always interested in open world style games - just skating around the city looks like fun (in the demo you are only in a skate park).

There's a long, positive (9.0), video review up on ign...
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/818/818832p1.html

Jeff LeVine, Saturday, 8 September 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

I'm looking forward to this too. I played Tony Hawk for so long that I worry it won't be as mindlessly pleasurable and that I won't have the patience to learn the new controls and the new way of seeing the game-- But I'll try it. The character customization sounds cool too. NWA t-shirt?!?

antexit, Sunday, 9 September 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

By about THUG, those games started to give me motion-sickness. skate looks like one more reason for me to buy an XBox 360.

schwantz, Monday, 10 September 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno if this will give you LESS motion sickness! the camera is pretty intense.

Will M., Monday, 10 September 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

I really like this demo. Must have played it through about ten times now! It seems a lot less frustrating than Tony Hawk, where you could bust out a massive combo for about a minute, only to fuck it up at the end due to some twat in a car driving round the corner too fast. On this, it's an achievement just to get the board to stick to something.

I'm sure I'll pick it up when it's out, though Stranglehold has XBox priority for me.

melton mowbray, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

Stranglehold is awesome. I know people say it's too short and too samey, but what it's samey with is EXACTLY WHAT I LOVE TO DO IN VIDEOGAMES. I think I'll be playing this game a bunch of times. I already have to restart, because yesterday I was playing while the plumber was over fixing my sink and he was so bugged out by the game he had to play for an hour, and accidentally fucked up my savegame!

There's a lot of love in the level design, too. Plenty of really cool easter eggs, like the movie theatre you can wander into on the first board.

antexit, Tuesday, 11 September 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

stranglehold rules. the skate demo is really fun but the voice over guy needs to shut the fuck up.

adam, Friday, 14 September 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

i broke skate...

http://skate.share.ea.com/profiles/19265/posts/129791.aspx

Jeff LeVine, Sunday, 16 September 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I wish I had been still testing EA games for a living when they were working on that game, because a system like that one would make it SO easy to show the bugs (instead of trying to explain them in a text file)

Will M., Monday, 17 September 2007 00:36 (eighteen years ago)

I can't believe they don't have some kind of video recorder thing built into the playtesting builds! You have to DESCRIBE where invisible walls are and stuff?

antexit, Monday, 17 September 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

most games, yes. detailed directions on where to start and how to get there. some games were a bit more sophisticated, like a certain driving game with a stupid storyline. apparnetly you could give them xyz co-ordinates as they showed on the screen in some (earlier) builds but later, near-retail builds you still needed to give shitty driving direcitons. they didn't even have an overhead map for us to point it out on!

Will M., Monday, 17 September 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Anyhow, I'm really enjoying this game. I put in a bunch of time over the weekend. The city they've created is pretty amazing. It's very, very large - and each area seems unique - it's not cookie-cutter at all. I've been having a great time, just skating around and exploring. Some of the challenges so far have been pretty hard. You just have to try to do the same trick over and over and over again, sometimes - but it is actually really satisfying when you finally manage to pull off one that has been driving you crazy. Since most of the challenges are really short - it's not too bad to fail over and over again. There seems to be a decent variety in the kinds of things to do too. I just won my first race - which I think may be my favorite mode. Barely fooled around with the online stuff - other than some lag - it seems surprisingly good. I definitely want to do more online racing soon & maybe try out some of the other modes. The game seems to have a lot of depth & is also surprisingly relaxing to play. So far it seems like the best purchase I've made in a while.

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 17 September 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

How relaxing is what I love about it the most. It has a great curve-- you seem to be getting better organically just by goofing around having fun in the areas, which kind of should be the most important thing in a skating game-- not some Killer Instinct style 35-button combos.

antexit, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Oooh, really looking forward to this coming out. I'll pick it up right away. Should be a nice wind down after the blaow-blaow-blaow that is John Woo's Tablesweep. I can honestly say I've enjoyed diving over fences and shooting gangsters in the crotch more than anything on the 360 so far, but I don't think I'll need another shooter for a while!

melton mowbray, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

I know what you mean about the glut of shooters, but I can think of a couple more soon I can't skip. In particular, I'm really looking forward to the orange box (having never played half life before)...

Anyhow - here's the weirdest glitch video I've seen in skate...

http://skate.share.ea.com/profiles/2101/posts/117056.aspx

Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

If I am bored of Tony Hawk, what does this game give me that TH doesn't? I am curious but skeptical.

The Stranglehold demo is nice but I would rather that you didn't automatically slide over everything. The game is chaotic to a point of being incomprehensible at times, a complaint I had with Viewtiful Joe.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

This game and Tony Hawk literally feel nothing alike. The mechanic, the goals, and just the feel of the game are SO different. It's like the difference between an arcadey sports game and a really good simulator. Also skate is so crazily PEACEFUL. Tony Hawk I always found a tense game, especially in the Bam era.

antexit, Thursday, 20 September 2007 16:52 (eighteen years ago)

I played the demo last night and LOVED IT.

polyphonic, Thursday, 20 September 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

The game just feels much more like you're actually making the guy skate than TH. If a trick is hard to do, it is HARD TO DO.

Minor quibble would be that it's too easy to stay in a manual, I guess, or that grinds seem to happen automatically.

polyphonic, Thursday, 20 September 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

They happen as automatically as makes sense-- you line up the board and ollie onto a rail. And if you think manuals are easy try landing an ollie in one!

antexit, Thursday, 20 September 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

i downloaded the demo for this on the weekend. i want it too.

sunny successor, Thursday, 20 September 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

Hit a bit of a wall with this last night & I don't think I'm too far into it (maybe halfway?). Suddenly all the challenges I found were IMPOSSIBLE.

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 20 September 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

http://skate.share.ea.com/profiles/18869/posts/151320.aspx

by the way this game is fucking bonkers; it got me to buy a 360 on reputation and promise alone and WOW is it ever good. REALLY looking forward to getting setup w/ Live for it, too.

jamescobo, Friday, 21 September 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

I bought this game yesterday and am really enjoying it, although it is definitely true that the game's strength is just riding around doing tricks, not the missions/storyline.

polyphonic, Saturday, 22 September 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I'm almost done with this, with only one film challenge left. Except it's as hard as rescuing Lance Vance underwater under a dam infested with electric plants which is due to explode any minute. Whilst fighting off Ghosts n' Gobins. Naked.

melton mowbray, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:57 (eighteen years ago)

What do you have to do in it?

I'm stuck on the transfer through the window and something else I can't remember. Also, all the film challenges are too hard for me now. 4500 points in 30 seconds AND I have to do x, y, and z in the process? Cannot do. :(

polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

5500 points in 30 seconds, in a no-skate zone. Got 5300 today and I swear you could see the profanity ejecting from my mouth all over the telly.

Somehow I lucked the window one first time. I totally fucked it, but it let me have it anyway! Much like several of the "manual on this" ones, where I just landed a grind on the corner by accident.

This is possibly the most frustrating but stubbornly addictive game on the 360 so far.

melton mowbray, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

What kind of moves are you pulling off where you get 5300 in 30 seconds? Is it a bunch of regular stuff in a line, or are you doing frontflips and shit?

polyphonic, Wednesday, 10 October 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

360 Hardflips seem to be the way forward, with a bit of a spin, into a grind. Then some silly manuals and shuvits. It's the maddest thing. I guess when you get into 3x multiplier it really helps. Bear in mind I can't really do these things on command. They're one in a million.

Still haven't finished this challenge :(

melton mowbray, Thursday, 11 October 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah - as I started to advance in the game and started to see how many points you had to get on some of those things I started to get a bit discouraged - I'm not sure I want to even try that hard. Some of the tricks too, I just started to find a bit too frustrating to pull off. Still I want to get back to it - I'd like to at least be able to open the x-games thing. Since I haven't played for a few weeks, I wonder if I've lost whatever minimal skill I'd perhaps developed?

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 11 October 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Played this a bunch again last weekend (or was it the weekend before that?) and made a bunch of progress (beat the two x-games challenges, for example), but overall, I think I've had my fill of the game - the precision challenges are just too impossible. The idea of the way the game controls is neat, but they've had to map too much stuff to the sticks - I really find it almost impossible to pull off (consistently) the trickier moves. The two challenges I spent the most time on and just can't seem to pull off are the 360 flip to hubba and Rob and Big's 360 Flip and land in an FS Crooked on the bench. It kind of runs the fun.

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

ruins the fun

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 1 November 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://jl13.com/images/flickit1.jpg

http://jl13.com/images/flickit2.jpg

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 1 November 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

The two challenges I spent the most time on and just can't seem to pull off are the 360 flip to hubba and Rob and Big's 360 Flip and land in an FS Crooked on the bench.

I am stuck on these very same two challenges (and also the through-the-window transfer), and haven't picked the thing up in a few weeks. Very frustrating, but I don't regret the purchase.

The difference between the Varial Kickflip and the 360 Flip are so minute that I always wind up driven to violence, especially if I run into a pedestrian (I HATE PEDESTRIANS SO MUCH).

polyphonic, Thursday, 1 November 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

giving this another whirl!!

czn, Thursday, 10 April 2008 22:00 (seventeen years ago)

damn this is hard

czn, Thursday, 10 April 2008 22:16 (seventeen years ago)

Whatever you do, don't play on XBOX Live unless you want to be thoroughly embarrassed by some annoying Beavis kid.

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 April 2008 22:35 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

This game has kept GTA 4 and Halo 3 out of my 360 for the last fortnight.
I'm totally rubbish, but it's got a strange combination of 'just one more go' with the challenges and being a great game to just chill out with doing random tricks as you wander around the streets.

treefell, Sunday, 29 June 2008 22:45 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, it's a really nice game to zone out to.

polyphonic, Monday, 30 June 2008 00:51 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

never played this but the demo for the sequel is pretty cool.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 11 January 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)

I'm playing Skate 2 tonight, I will be sure to give my impressions.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 11 January 2009 20:34 (sixteen years ago)

I'm downloading the demo right now (it's HUGE). I liked the first game, and it sounds like 2 is a better game, but it also sounds like it's so similar to the first one that I'm not sure there's any point to it, i.e. I'm not sure I want to basically play through that whole game again.

Jeff LeVine, Sunday, 11 January 2009 21:17 (sixteen years ago)

It's pretty likely that I'll play Skate 2 more than any other game in 2009. Skate was such a great game to just zone out to, and if they improved the sandbox (which it seems is the case) and added walking/lip tricks, it will be hard to get me to stop playing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 11 January 2009 21:40 (sixteen years ago)

I really love the concept and vibe of this game but executing the moves was far too hard for me so in the end I just gave up : /

cozwn, Sunday, 11 January 2009 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

Dude you are a gamer you can totally do it.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 11 January 2009 22:56 (sixteen years ago)

guys is it true all you do in this is make 20 sec "films"?

There's a Grady now?? (sunny successor), Sunday, 11 January 2009 23:40 (sixteen years ago)

Played the demo - confirming my gut instincts - feels (basically) exactly the same as the original. Good game, but I'm not feeling any need to pick up the sequel. It looks a little better, I guess, but not much. There are some weird things about it too - framerate still felt a little hitchy - and while it's cool you can now get off your board, it's weird that you can only walk forward & that when you hit "y" the board magically flies back to you (instead of you walking over to it and picking it up). Moving objects also felt kind of clunky...

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 12 January 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

the framerate is a solid 60fps now I read?

you walk too slow when you get off the board I thought : /

it's nice you can change cameras this time tho why they omitted that from the demo I don't know

cozwn, Monday, 12 January 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

i've played this demo a lot, definitely getting this. Took me a while to get used to the controls and the way the game is in comparison to Tony Hawk's (i.e. you ollie with the right stick, you can't do stupidly mental strings of tricks, 1080 double kickflip backflip nosebone with grind for 50 metres, you have to actually land your grinds yourself etc.) but now I'm really enjoying it, especially the grinds.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 02:30 (sixteen years ago)

Based on 2 hours of playing the game last night, I honestly think skate 1 is better. There are a lot of glitchy things that make me think the game was rushed to retail. I'm surprised by how poorly they implemented walking and dragging. It looks very nice, and I'm sure I'll play it a fuckload, but I'm a little disappointed.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

The film editor is highly inferior to the one in the first game.

The ability to place a marker when you're trying to accomplish a trick is a great, great thing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 04:09 (sixteen years ago)

if this is worse than the last one then I better pick that up as well.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:42 (sixteen years ago)

you should definitely pick up skate. jim; I think it's pennies these days and it's def a great game

cozwn, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:46 (sixteen years ago)

boom, bought. Thank you internet for allowing my unemployed ass to impulse buy.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 23:50 (sixteen years ago)

now I want to give my copy ANOTHER another go but my littlest bro knocked it

cozwn, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

so I did go back and give it another go and suddenly everything just clicked: I can see the best lines, I am having fun finding cool spots to session and find the good lines, the tricks now seem possible cos I realise it's best to flick the stick rather than roll it (yeah this was a "no shit" moment for me)

the only bother is that my disc has some massive scratches on it (literally 2mm ring of scratches round the whole circumference -> this must be the drive that's caused it) so sometimes the game hard freezes the 360, or I'll be skating around and fall into massive black holes where the art hasn't loaded in

tempted to pick up skate.2 now for this reason

cozwn, Sunday, 18 January 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)

they really did a great job with the city in this game: there are hardly any spots where it isn't fun to skate, there's always something to trick off or grind on and it all loos pretty different from area to area

cozwn, Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:03 (sixteen years ago)

also I've uploaded some of my replays but I can't find them on EA's www
: ////

cozwn, Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:04 (sixteen years ago)

polyphonic, why's the film editor worse in the second one? the editor in the first one is really well implemented, I thought, and very easy to use

also what does this mean: The ability to place a marker when you're trying to accomplish a trick is a great, great thing.

cozwn, Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:08 (sixteen years ago)

boom, bought. Thank you internet for allowing my unemployed ass to impulse buy.

― Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:50 PM (5 days ago)

hurry up ffs, play.com!

the marker is a thing you can place at a spot so that you can automatically go back to that spot, in the demo for instance you're up the top of this ramp which gives you sweet air when you get to the bottom and you can keep just going straight back there by pressing LB plus up on the dpad or something.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:13 (sixteen years ago)

oh, I thought it might've been something difft cos you can do that in skate.1

cozwn, Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

ah right, i assume that's what he meant, might be wrong.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)

If this doesn't arrive tomorrow I may be forced to actually try and get a job.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 18 January 2009 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

oh, I thought it might've been something difft cos you can do that in skate.1

You can? I never noticed it. I can't tell you how many times I would fail some trick and then spend an eternity trying to get back in position to try again, very frustrating.

polyphonic, why's the film editor worse in the second one?

To be fair I didn't spend a lot of time with it, but the first one was much more intuitive. I made something cool with it on my first try.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 18 January 2009 21:06 (sixteen years ago)

blimey

how does he jump so high?

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 09:56 (sixteen years ago)

you can glitch out of the map in skate.2 and just skate around in the city for 6mins, which is nice

also apparently the skate.2 video editor has a moveable tripod camera? tht sounds like it'd be great for setting up some nice shots

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:03 (sixteen years ago)

so glad you can walk up stairs this time, the little dude in skate. was one dalek-ass motherfucker!

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 10:25 (sixteen years ago)

haha, true. I got skate today and am really enjoying except for my inability to do a nollie 360 flip except unintentionally. need to do one on to a grind for a challenge and it's driving me crazy.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)

ah, just did it now, the relief.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:39 (sixteen years ago)

we should play some party play! gt is cozeny

I just aced the hole in the wall challenge in two goes : D

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)

oh yeah that nollie 360 flip challenge is driving me mad too... the one where you have to nollie 360 flip onto a grind off the stairs of hubba (??) or something; can't do it for the life of me

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 19:44 (sixteen years ago)

oh you did it! a pox on you

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 19:45 (sixteen years ago)

when did it come out? i thought it was like tomorrow or wednesday for some reason!

&U HAEV MY AXE LOL (Will M.), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:49 (sixteen years ago)

we're playing the old original!

xposts. I have you on my xbox live already Cozen, we played a bit of the COD beta on it. I'm going to blaze through the career mode but should be up for some party play in a day or two once that's done.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:56 (sixteen years ago)

how do you get to wear the pro outfits when you've unlocked them? they're not in the shops, not in my backpack : /

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 20:15 (sixteen years ago)

ohh nice! if my time zone didn't disclude me i'd play with you, been puting that in a fair bit recently!

&U HAEV MY AXE LOL (Will M.), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:49 (sixteen years ago)

xpost. No idea. Too bad as well because I wouldn't mind trying on notorious vehicular homicide merchant Ali Boulala's weird get up.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Monday, 19 January 2009 20:52 (sixteen years ago)

yeah I just want to fashion my skater into the preacher from the poltergeist w/aid of his hat

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

oh yeah that nollie 360 flip challenge is driving me mad too... the one where you have to nollie 360 flip onto a grind off the stairs of hubba (??) or something; can't do it for the life of me

I never accomplished this. :(

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 19 January 2009 22:52 (sixteen years ago)

:( It was pretty tough.

xpost. Still haven't worked out about the kit.

Bit of a crossover with the thread about achievements but I uploaded this slow-motion pastelised video of me doing a really long, but not very impressive, grind solely in order to get the "exhibitionist" achievement. http://skate.share.ea.com/profiles/67033/posts/1466489.aspx

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 22:49 (sixteen years ago)

this is the only one I've uploaded so far, might some of the rest up later

cozwn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 09:24 (sixteen years ago)

I DID IT!

cozwn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 13:22 (sixteen years ago)

the tech challenges are hard: did the grind fs5-0 to fs tail one earlier

the year-end skateboard mag photo challenge was doing my head in too : /

game keeps freezing too; think I'm going to pick up skate.2

anyone else buying?

cozwn, Wednesday, 21 January 2009 17:41 (sixteen years ago)

i'm gonna get skate 2, yeah. I'm just trying to do this challenge at the Matrix for Rob Drydek and Big Black where you grind to 360 Flip to FS Crooked. It's annoying me.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:08 (sixteen years ago)

see that video you put up cozen, I never thought to do that spot by grinding so did some stupid combination of fliptrick to manual to fliptrick. It took me ages. Doh.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:11 (sixteen years ago)

ah right, this rob and big black thing is just 360 flip to fs crooked not grind first, nailed it!

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

I couldn't seem to 360 flip up high enough to grind that thing.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 20:09 (sixteen years ago)

i went for the middle spot where it's lowest and got it eventually.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 20:11 (sixteen years ago)

took my old video down. Here's a new one with a lame grind.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Wednesday, 21 January 2009 22:16 (sixteen years ago)

oh god playing this online was horrific. Some dudes are so good, was playing spot battles, the guy does a bunch of 360 flips, hardflips etc. connected with manuals, gets up a 3x multiplier and then hit up a grind and did a bunch of flips on that, he got like 5000, I got about 800 :(

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 22 January 2009 01:05 (sixteen years ago)

Me getting knocked the fuck out.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 22 January 2009 14:13 (sixteen years ago)

ow

set phasers to stan (cozwn), Thursday, 22 January 2009 16:32 (sixteen years ago)

haha, awesome.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 22 January 2009 16:34 (sixteen years ago)

I'm actually proud of this one!.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Thursday, 22 January 2009 18:14 (sixteen years ago)

That was awesome!

I just picked up Skate 2 (I didn't play the first one as I just recently got a PS3) and managed to get a very strange bail about 5 minutes after I left the tutorial park:

spinning bulldog

EZ Snappin, Friday, 23 January 2009 13:46 (sixteen years ago)

haha, that's some WWF shit right there.

Really want to be playing Skate 2 today but I feel a bit shitty so didn't go to the shops and I don't have any CDRs or working newsgroups to hax0r it.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Friday, 23 January 2009 15:07 (sixteen years ago)

I apparently trigger all sorts of weird physics when I bail:

Bench Launcg

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 24 January 2009 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

Imagine "Launch" for "Launcg"

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 24 January 2009 00:10 (sixteen years ago)

haha, that's a good one too!

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 13:41 (sixteen years ago)

I can wipe out like nobody's business; the whole stay on the board and complete challenges isn't always easy.

Absolutely loving it despite my inability to complete challenges. Sucking horribly at a game but wanting to play it for hours is a great, great thing.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 24 January 2009 14:07 (sixteen years ago)

Well, this one required many, many bails before I got it right; the final landing is a bit hard, but better than a faceplant:

Who says you can't do Tony Hawk lines in Skate?

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:52 (sixteen years ago)

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9fcPb-VtKkc/SXu2jQ1-p_I/AAAAAAAAAPk/mg29FxH82Kk/8869.jpg

My favorite pic so far.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 25 January 2009 02:30 (sixteen years ago)

ha tht's awesome

cozwn, Sunday, 25 January 2009 02:38 (sixteen years ago)

playing skate online noises me up so much because the cunts just do 180 360 flip to manual to 180 inward heelflip and get a stupid 3x multiplier and it makes you feel like an idiot. Really want to play it with like minded pwnz0rz of the ILG variety once I get it going.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 25 January 2009 06:59 (sixteen years ago)

plus that video was pretty sweet.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Sunday, 25 January 2009 06:59 (sixteen years ago)

should I get skate or skate2? skate is cheaper obviously.

Super Cub, Sunday, 25 January 2009 08:53 (sixteen years ago)

for PS3 BTW

Super Cub, Sunday, 25 January 2009 08:54 (sixteen years ago)

Get Skate 2 for PS3 - I'd love to play online but as was pointed out most everyone are asshats.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 25 January 2009 13:38 (sixteen years ago)

Ooo. Skate 2. Starting now!!!1111111111111111

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)

this seems quite a bit harder than the first one.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Monday, 26 January 2009 14:34 (sixteen years ago)

I didn't play the first, but this one is kicking my butt. My career is not going well, though I must admit just skating around and finding a fun line is cool.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 26 January 2009 16:09 (sixteen years ago)

I am complete ass at anything vert related.

Good thing about this game: the graphics creator, although it would obv be much better if you could draw your own shit mspaint stylee rather than use their shapes and etc. but the text has allowed me to have a black deck with Bawbag written in it in pink. Which is awesome.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Monday, 26 January 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

I'm up and running with Skate 2. Let's do this thing!

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 01:35 (sixteen years ago)

It's crazy how early in the game they expect you to beat Danny Way in a big air challenge. That was one of the last challenges in skate 1.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 05:42 (sixteen years ago)

haha, yeah. I found the challenge about as hard as that challenge in the first one as well. Steep learning curve for someone who is new to the game.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 12:36 (sixteen years ago)

The point thresholds seem to be a little more forgiving, but otherwise it's pretty damned hard.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 18:03 (sixteen years ago)

don't actually know how you find them, but if you're on Xbox live I uploaded a spot, it's just a rooftop jump in to the old pool but it's ok. My gamertag is JimMessina

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

polyphonique here.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 20:32 (sixteen years ago)

ouch

cozwn, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 08:22 (sixteen years ago)

Nice aim! Hard to get a head right on the rail.

My latest moment of zen - a switch 540 quad kickflip

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 13:49 (sixteen years ago)

Here's one of my first videos:

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/745951/119253.aspx

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 January 2009 17:27 (sixteen years ago)

That's a hoot!

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 28 January 2009 19:14 (sixteen years ago)

how does i shot "pumping"?

this duelling snakes race is killing me.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:35 (sixteen years ago)

oh fuck off, a quick google tells me i have to trick through the checkpoints. doh.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 30 January 2009 01:39 (sixteen years ago)

This game is so much harder than the first one. I'm stuck on a bunch of different things, it's humiliating!

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 30 January 2009 07:01 (sixteen years ago)

yeah I know, I have 4 pro challenges that I'm stuck on. One of them, the Alien manual shop, is definitely achievable, I've just made a mess of it a few times and got bored, the other ones, vert with the vampire, blaow!!, and can you spell girl? I'm nowhere near doing.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Friday, 30 January 2009 13:27 (sixteen years ago)

anyone figured out the easy way to do the danny way challenge yet?

cozwn, Saturday, 31 January 2009 22:03 (sixteen years ago)

the camera DLC looks neat, but fuck if I'd pay for something shd be in the retail game

cozwn, Sunday, 1 February 2009 12:18 (sixteen years ago)

I think I may have finished this game, apart from a few "Do this trick that is impossible for polyphonic to do on command" missions.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 17:27 (sixteen years ago)

I think I might be done too, though there are many things left to accomplish. I hate the "do this trick and then this other one" and playing S.K.A.T.E. All the ones that let you decide what to do - do a grab over X, a flip over Y - I'll spend all day figuring out what line I need; but screw the other crap. I'll just freeskate so I can shut off pedestrians, traffic & security.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

The races were a lot of fun. Adding an enormous mountain was a awesome idea.

I made another video last night:

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/745951/119253.aspx#Display

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:32 (sixteen years ago)

Whoops, I meant to post this one:

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/745951/219922.aspx#Display

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 21:35 (sixteen years ago)

Nicely done! I like the 2nd one you have up (up at the megapark) - I haven't been able to land that line.

I've updated mine - a few new vids and pics. This one made me laugh:

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/2/180734329/53763.aspx

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 5 February 2009 17:48 (sixteen years ago)

Those are nice!

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:24 (sixteen years ago)

I hope it is okay for me to post an actual skate video in this thread:

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:45 (sixteen years ago)

That was pretty awesome.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 5 February 2009 19:05 (sixteen years ago)

Great vid. The flip at the end was absurd.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 5 February 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/183115128.aspx

Triple heelflip to a grind, not a completely awesome video or anything but i totally surprised myself doing it and it's fairly sweet.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:25 (sixteen years ago)

That is a great line! Be proud of it.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 February 2009 21:28 (sixteen years ago)

I gave up and sold this today. I was not going to progress without some fighting game learn all the nuances so you can pull out every trick on command bs. I just don't have the time. Plus, the asshole quotient online was way, way too high - if I asked for help on executing something, or tips on how to work a line I was booted. Nice people.

I don't regret buying it - the time until I plateaued was amazing - but repeating a line for an hour stopped the fun. Respect to all who master it, but like with fighting games, that's not why I play.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 18:38 (sixteen years ago)

How far in did you get? As someone who has "beaten" both games, I don't think I'll ever get even close to as good as the dudes who play online.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 18:57 (sixteen years ago)

Guessing from what I read online somewhere past the middle. I hate playing S.K.A.T.E., and it seems like there became more and more of these as time went on. Shutting off the volume helped me get through the Dyrdek stuff, but it seemed to lose the fun factor as it went on. Every time I unlocked something I didn't feel like I accomplished something but that I had unleashed more impending drudgery on myself.

Back to Burnout Paradise for my pick up and play fun game.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:06 (sixteen years ago)

the replay value in this game for me has been going back to all the own the spot points and beating my xbox live friends high-scores just to be petty.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:14 (sixteen years ago)

There are some similarities between my comments and "yahtzee's review":

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/553-Skate-2

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 19:09 (sixteen years ago)

Love that guy.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 19:18 (sixteen years ago)

woo, frontflip in to grind.

http://skatereel.ea.com/members/1/183115128.aspx#Display

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony ft Phil Collins (jim), Thursday, 19 February 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

nice.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 19 February 2009 22:43 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

So, I played the demo of Skate 2 and really enjoyed it, but decided that seeing as I have many other games to work through I would wait and see if the price came down. HMV are now doing the original Skate for £9.99, while Play.com are doing Skate 2 for £24.99. Should I go with just Skate for now, or would I be better skipping it and going straight to Skate 2?

Obviously there's always the option of 'both', but if Skate 2 is way better than the original I might not play the original much. What a connundrum.

CraigG, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 12:46 (sixteen years ago)

imo Skate 2 isn't much better than the original. A little bit better yes, but only small improvements.

Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 12:59 (sixteen years ago)

Cool. I figure dropping £10 isn't exactly a big risk anyway; I've paid more for games that only got played once...

CraigG, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 15:05 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

been playing a lot of this lately for some reason while waiting for Infamous to hit; I really love it but ye gods does it make you confront how shitty you are at it. plus I haven't even played skate since I sold my 360 so I'm extra-crappy at the moment; I don't think I've even earned a single trophy. still, though, it's great.

passed on the lead in "all i can do is crossups cuz ihave no skills" (jamescobo), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 03:12 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

picked this up for a tenner

so good

whoever started the punning usernames did ✈ ▌▌ (cozwn), Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)

skate.2 tht is

whoever started the punning usernames did ✈ ▌▌ (cozwn), Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)

I finished it in like two days. :/

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)

I really want to get this game on stupid Goozex... sent liek 5 games, still gotten 0

My Cozwn Vinny (Will M.), Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:49 (sixteen years ago)

Also, I changed my username in response to your new one cozwn

My Cozwn Vinny (Will M.), Thursday, 16 July 2009 21:50 (sixteen years ago)

Where did you manage to find this for a tenner? I just finished Skate a couple of weeks ago, and am ready for Skate 2, but refuse to pay above £20 for games :)

CraigG, Friday, 17 July 2009 08:54 (sixteen years ago)

it ws a tenner at amazon but it's gone back up to £12.50 now

whoever started the punning usernames did ✈ ▌▌ (cozwn), Friday, 17 July 2009 08:58 (sixteen years ago)

I managed to get it for a tenner by buying Skate and the GAME employee putting the wrong disc/manual in the box. Probably not an approach to rely on though.

if, Friday, 17 July 2009 09:01 (sixteen years ago)

how did u like skate, craigg?

whoever started the punning usernames did ✈ ▌▌ (cozwn), Friday, 17 July 2009 11:02 (sixteen years ago)

Thanks for the Amazon tip! managed to get it for £15.99, which is still within my £20 max price. I really enjoyed skate; I thought it was shorter than I'd hoped when I was nearing the end, then realised that I hadn't noticed the 'Thrasher' magazine stuff and was actually only approaching half way! It's surprisingly big (well, it really should be - it can't be that difficult to make 'missions' for it as a developer).

I didn't even mind just getting Skate after playing the demo of Skate 2, as the only things that bothered me being missing were the hand plants. Hoping the second one is a bit tougher, as once you learned to Christ Air + spin you could do pretty much every challenge if you got stuck trying to do it 'legitimately'. On the swimming pool jam I managed to front flip off the roof and land doing the 'coffin', which is without a doubt my proudest moment - though I didn't get anywhere near as many points as it deserves.

CraigG, Friday, 17 July 2009 11:53 (sixteen years ago)

In retrospect, it shows how infrequently I shop when I consider Amazon a 'tip'...

CraigG, Friday, 17 July 2009 11:54 (sixteen years ago)

htf do u do manuals? like if I want to do a bs tail it's says to do a qcf motion w/the right stick: in the air or when I'm on the ledge or what?

cozwn, Friday, 17 July 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

not manuals, sorry, grinds

cozwn, Friday, 17 July 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

ok I thk I figured it out... u do an ollie then while in the air and lining up to grind, u gently do the qcf (don't flick else you'll tweak the board or whtever those are called) and land in the specific grind

hard

cozwn, Friday, 17 July 2009 16:02 (sixteen years ago)

also who is the wee guy who talks to you all the time? voice in yr head?

cozwn, Friday, 17 July 2009 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

Just got Skate 2 and played it a bit yesterday. I guess I must have largely played Skate with the sound down as I didn't notice that dude talking constantly. The specific grind ones are hard. There's one in Skate where you have to do a 360 flip to some specific grind. Shit took me about an hour, which I figure must literally be thousands of failed attempts.

Loving the way your guy slowly (or very quickly, actually) gets bloody as you fall over lots in Skate 2. Nice little touch. (maybe it did this in the first one, but my guy was dressed like a total goon, so I wouldn't have noticed.

CraigG, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 09:06 (sixteen years ago)

also who is the wee guy who talks to you all the time? voice in yr head?

Your cameraman! He's kinda annoying.

I put in Skate 2 for the first time in awhile and noticed that they'd added some spots to the game. Nice little touch to keep the game fresh.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:21 (sixteen years ago)

Oh nice new spots. Might give it a spin when i get my xbox fixed.

De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:22 (sixteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pVETXRpQo0

cozwn (webinar), Thursday, 13 August 2009 09:26 (sixteen years ago)

I like the 'crews' that get together to edit realistic parts, it's pretty sick. Also Guy Mariano's lakai part in skate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_NzxrkuhIA
i opened the real part in another window, he's even got a lot of the clothes matching and everything. this must have taken the kid ages!

francisF, Thursday, 13 August 2009 16:23 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

skate.3 announced

cozwn, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 16:25 (sixteen years ago)

It's funny because I was finally feeling like it had been long enough since the original skate came out that I was starting to feel ready to pick up skate 2. Now I don't know - maybe I should just wait until 3. It looks like maybe they've built a new city this time too?

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 16:47 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, it's seemingly a new city and the game has a co-op bent?

cozwn, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 16:53 (sixteen years ago)

Think I'm going to rent the next one instead of buying it, given that I finished 2 in like two days.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 17:42 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

man f this, so hard.

cialis morissette (goole), Monday, 26 October 2009 02:34 (sixteen years ago)

oh, new Skate in a new city will be awesome. Looking fwd.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Monday, 26 October 2009 02:36 (sixteen years ago)

really beginning to dislike this, controls are so unforgiving, everything is too hard to line up, too hard to time, pools/halfpipes are incomprehensible. "pumping" works how?

cialis morissette (goole), Monday, 26 October 2009 02:45 (sixteen years ago)

At some point it became really easy for me, so maybe just give it time?

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 26 October 2009 02:49 (sixteen years ago)

this isn't really all that difficult. Except for on Xbox live where everyone completely annihilated me when i tried to play it.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Monday, 26 October 2009 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

oh yeah and also what polyphonic said. How do you get to Carnegie Hall?

Pedro Paramore (jim), Monday, 26 October 2009 03:02 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, I agree w/goole, I think this game is nails hard but eventually it just seems to click

try rolling out the moves quickly instead of inaccurately flicking them

coz (webinar), Monday, 26 October 2009 10:02 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

Hardcore mode dramatically alters the physics in the game and tunes them down to a really realistic level, so not only do your tricks pop way lower than in normal mode but your speed is cut way down as well. It should take at least 5 pushes with your foot to get to a decently fast speed, so you will mostly be hitting those rails and ledges at a more realistic speed with 3 or so pushes. You can still ollie somewhat high if you flick it hard enough but it is a little more challenging to get a lot of air. With the physics change comes less grind magnetism. Meaning, everything that is grind-able is way harder to get on. It won't magically suction you to that spot to grind just because you are in proximity with it, you literally will have to line up your trick and land exactly on to the ledge or rail or bank that you are trying to grind on.

Not only is it extremely difficult even for a seasoned Skate veteran like myself but it just makes the game so much more rewarding when you do land that trick that you have been trying to nail for the past half an hour. I cannot stress how much different the game feels when put into hardcore mode. Overall it adds a huge sense of accomplishment even with the simplest tricks or gaps. The physics are tuned down so much that you can actually fail a kick flip on flat ground, something that was not possible in the last two games. That in itself is something a lot of skateboarding realism fans will love. It actually feels like skateboarding—although with a controller—but it nails the realism with hardcore mode.

a passing heavy daftie (cozen), Thursday, 18 February 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

hmmmm

are your opponents similarly handicapped?

greg dulli appointed feduhral mahshulls (goole), Thursday, 18 February 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, do not want punishing physics for my dude while Danny Way pops 4 feet of air from a stand still...

CraigG, Friday, 19 February 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

psyched for this.

DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 21 February 2010 21:58 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

So their latest video shows that Skate 3 finally has a customize your own skate park feature. Looks pretty cool; you can share your skate park with the community (more importantly, download loads of skate parks made by people with the patients to piss around with level builders), and you can challenge people to come to your park for a jam. You can also, when free skating, dump objects like ramps, rails, etc, wherever you like to improve a location. All looking pretty sweet.

CraigG, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)

hippyjump

SKATE 3 DEMO coming April 15th to both XBOX Live and PSN.

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)

STILL PSYCHED!

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 11:16 (fifteen years ago)

hmm, demo not particularly thrilling. Hardcore mode is pretty hard, i guess.

404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 15 April 2010 12:02 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, there wasn't a lot going on in that demo, huh? Just downloaded it and gave it a whirl. Seems like much more of the same, which means I'll prolly buy it, but I'll wait til it's £20-£25 I reckon. Love the new damage indicators when you smash yourself and you go all x-ray though. nice touch.

CraigG, Thursday, 15 April 2010 18:07 (fifteen years ago)

gotta admit - I can't even drum up enough interest this time around to download and try out the demo for 3. For the most part I really enjoyed the first game, but yearly sequels seem completely pointless here & it just looks pretty much like they want you to buy the same game again. This series is the perfect example of how quickly a fresh, new approach can get completely stale, unfortunately.

Jeff LeVine, Friday, 16 April 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)

such a great franchise doesn't deserve this treatment, I'd love if they at least took a couple of years between iterations and fully fleshed out their new ideas

etrian odysseus (cozen), Friday, 16 April 2010 22:06 (fifteen years ago)

When Skate came out, the thing that was so refreshing about it is that it felt much more like a simulation of skateboarding than the arcade style version of Tony Hawk. But now they add this bailing mini-game that is honestly less realistic than Tony Hawk even. Hey, throw yourself off a building and then dive headfirst into a dumpster for extra points! Turn yourself into a flying squirrel by holding your arms out!

I'm not sure it won't be fun, and hopefully they'll fix the graphics (especially of the characters, who looked terrible), but the demo definitely made me wonder. Think I'll rent this one.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 18 April 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Acngq-das&feature=youtu.be

cozen, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:34 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

playing the skate3 demo got me back into playing skate2. and i'm into it! still hard as hell tho.

they really don't expect you to have all of those tricks at your fingertips, right? i basically look up what i need to do for a given challenge and then try to execute it. if i just go i end up doing the same things over and over again. and some of the challenges are damn near impossible. i always feel like i'm just half-assing my way through things -- getting my thumb to do the same thing consistently is basically beyond me i think.

but still, i'm really liking it. frustrating but it has me coming back. i'm excited for 3!

goole, Wednesday, 21 July 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

I think I'm more hyped at the rumours of a Skate 4 than I was about the recent Fallout teaser/rumours.

CraigG, Thursday, 7 June 2018 09:47 (seven years ago)

i think i'm more hyped at the prospect of gifs of hilariously janky physics in a potential skate 4 than i was about the recent skate 4 rumours

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 June 2018 09:49 (seven years ago)

I think if they can combine the traditional janky physics of the Skate series with the revolutionary jankiness of Mass Effect Andromeda we could be in for a real treat

CraigG, Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:27 (seven years ago)

next-gen jank

next-jank

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 June 2018 12:28 (seven years ago)


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