Ouya: The $99, Android-Powered TV Game Console

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/07/ouya/

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console

jesus christ almost three million in two days huh?
yeah, i'll buy one too. I think OUYA needs its own thread

― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 12:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So, this looks pretty fascinating, but will it succeed? Discuss/speculate!

I almost don't care whether it succeeds, I want one anyway. The appeal for me is just that it's a cheap and (theoretically) easily hackable box. If I can open it up to replace the 8Gb storage with something a bit more useful, then get MAME and maybe a few other emulators running on there, it'll already have paid for itself as far as I'm concerned.

or run a cable from your pc to your tv?

the oft-rumored Valve Steam box would be my box o' plenty. Hope that happens. This thing? meh.

the way i've always felt about consoles is that i want the one that has games i want to play. i think an open source console is a cool idea, but i'm not sure i want it if it's just ports of kongregate games and freeware PC titles

They're nearly at $4M. I don't care about gaming on TV, but only because I don't have a TV. A lot of people don't want to have an HTPC in their living room, and this looks like a good alternative if it can stream TV.

the way i've always felt about consoles is that i want the one that has games i want to play

^^^this. The only latest-gen console I have is Wii, and that WiiWare stuff is just the pits, so that's my reference point for downloadable console games. This really seems like a kit to play emulators on your tv. I'm out of the loop so I'm genuinely unaware of any other reasons an average gamer would want to hack their console.

or run a cable from your pc to your tv?

Pretty ugly solution, I don't want a mouse and keyboard in my living room for starters. This seems a much nicer way to do it.

Key thing is going to be what percentage of people are buying this as a cool Android box to hack, and will never visit the app store. If it's like 99.9%, then the long term life of this console is going to be limited because few big developers will port games to a console that doesn't have many active buying users, and few people will buy this console after March 2013 if there aren't that many games.

I signed up for Pocket TV, and it doesn't look like this does anything it doesn't except the controller (which, if it takes off, will be easy to find).

i have one of these:
http://www.fingermonkeyapps.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/gp2x.jpg

it was pretty cool, but it's always frustrating how much better/more active the pirate/dev community was for psp/gameboys than it was for open source stuff.

there's a thing called pandora and other revisions of gamepark consoles already.
if you want a MAME for your TV, the wii/ps2 hacks are pretty solid.

The Ouya has more processing power, a quad core 1.4GHz Tegra3 with integrated GPU compared to a single core ARM Cortex A9 at up to 2GHz. But it's in a relatively big case that has to sit somewhere, while the Pocket TV just hangs off the HDMI socket. From comparing the Kickstarter pitches, it seems that the Ouya team are more prepared to let people program/hack their box, while the Pocket TV crew are selling it much more like a closed appliance for Android apps.

I don't think I would buy another console, even for only $99, but this thing does make me wish even more that Apple would release and support a nice controller for iPad games.

Yeah, I guess the point I was making is that if (as some people are speculating above) that the main focus will end up being emulators and phone/tablet type games then the pocket tv already covers that. I guess it'll all depend on exactly what you can hack onto an Ouya and what you'll be able to emulate in time on a standard Android.

Put emulators on this so's I can run Earthbound, Mother 3, Toe Jam & Earl, or Metroid Fusion and there you go.

the only way this thing'll make any money is if they can find some way to persuade lots of people to hand over their cash without any hope of it ever being sold or ever establishing the market share required for decent content. never gonna happen.

oh wait.

without any hope of it ever being sold

Many of the people involved in this are fairly big industry names who have their reputations and future employability prospects to lose if this box doesn't get to market. They have a previous round of VC funding, the dough from this Kickstarter, and probably a future round of VC funding to get some relatively straightforward hardware (and some complex marketplace/appstore/infrastructure) made. The only real way this isn't going to be shipping come March 2013 is if some patent troll pops up. Whether it has any extended life after it ships is another thing.

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/the-reality-of-the-ouya-console-doesnt-match-the-hype-why-you-should-be-ske

U sure about that?

man, quite harshing my mellow penny arcade

respect for Ben Kuchera, dawg

http://soundcloud.com/playouya/ouya
uh.
5.2 million. almost three weeks still left. I got mine.

ooo YA

uh

i will be mightily impressed if this is a scam. Not so much so i won't call for heads rolling but still.

Cyathem from Reddit... “I’ve wasted $100 on stupid things. This actually looks cool.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU0Ypufo6BM

http://soundcloud.com/playouya/ouya
uh.
5.2 million. almost three weeks still left. I got mine.

― This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Friday, July 20, 2012 6:47 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't say that until you like actually "got" it

And I don't think anyone's saying this is a scam per se, just a super dubious fantasy

"Droid X360" Android handheld thingy that looks like a Vita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0BN4txob1c

Android 4.0, 1.5 GHz processor, 512 MB RAM, 8GB on-board storage, 5-inch capacitive touchscreen, HDMI port, front and rear cameras. Ships with 9 emulators to play a bunch of SNES, GBA, Genesis, N64, etc. games. May infringe on one or two trademarks :)

No pricing info yet.

When OnLive first heard about OUYA, we were excited to see console gaming becoming more available and open. Like OUYA, we came to gaming with a new vision for making top-quality gaming accessible to more people, and we continue to look for ways to expand on that vision.

OUYA is rethinking the console business, making waves by using standard technology to make gaming for your living room accessible, affordable and more innovative than ever. In OnLive's case, we pioneered a groundbreaking, cloud-based system that instantly delivers games to any device on demand.

We are pleased to announce that OnLive will be available on OUYA at launch, extending and building on our commitment to make the best games available to everyone, everywhere.

What does that mean for OUYA backers?

OnLive will deliver a full console-class experience, bringing hundreds of top-tier games from more than 80 publishers to the OUYA console for play on demand.
OUYA owners will be able to jump in and play any of these games both at home on their OUYA console, and on the go on PCs, Macs, tablets and phones, never leaving a game behind.
Instant demos will be available for nearly every game in our ever-growing library—from eagerly anticipated indie titles like Ravaged, to hot blockbusters like the upcoming Darksiders® II. Players can experience up to 30 minutes of each game for free before deciding what to buy. If they like it, they can continue playing where the demo left off.
OnLive already delivers a premium gaming experience to tablets, smartphones, PCs, Macs, connected TVs and HDTVs via the OnLive® Game System or dedicated streaming devices like the VIZIO Co-Star. We’re pleased to deliver the same OnLive experience on the OUYA console when it launches next year.

—Bruce Grove, General Manager, OnLive

if you want to play android games and don't want to buy an android phone just get a nexus 7

Could be a good move getting OnLive onboard. After all, the OnLive console is about $99 on its own, and hopefully ouya will have a bit more to offer than just the OnLive console. That said, I think you can try OnLive on PC for free, and I still never bothered, so...

This morning, we are honored to announce that OUYA is partnering with Square Enix to bring you one of the most beloved franchises in gaming -- Final Fantasy. We will kick this off with Final Fantasy III, which will be a launch title on OUYA. This will be the first time gamers outside of Japan can play FFIII on their televisions through a console.

But that’s not the end of it: We’re promising to deliver Final Fantasy III like you’ve never seen it before – Hironobu Sakaguchi’s third installment in the role playing game franchise will be updated to exploit OUYA’s high-definition resolution in glorious graphic detail. For those of you who are new to Final Fantasy, we’ll offer a free demo so you can give it a go!

Previously unreleased in the U.S. until it appeared as a 3D remake for the Nintendo DS in 2006, Final Fantasy III was widely referred to as one of the “missing pieces” in the FF series. OUYA players can now proudly claim this piece of the puzzle.

We’re thrilled to bring this storied franchise to OUYA.

that's kinda awesome

so is it a localization of the famicom game, the DS remake, or a new version?

I would guess it's probably the DS version with some tweaks to make it look better in higher resolution

i keep thinking 'maybe i should order one of these' and then remembering i don't have a tv

so they launched their website...
http://www.ouya.tv/
and it's the same video as on kickstarter, links to their social media and "buy one now" order info and credit card taking machine
they are MIGHTY stingy with new info here.

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well, they asked for my address
so that's something I guess?

Ben Heck teardown...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hh3Ezg9xf0&feature=youtu.be

er...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hh3Ezg9xf0

did you order one? i did, back in the day. with two controllers. hope it's good!

I didn't order one. Because a) I'm applying my usual 'do I buy this console or not?' rule and waiting to see if it's going to have games I actually want to play (see also WiiU), b) I'm going to let other way more qualified people determine first if it's suitable for Android hacking.

there's a neo geo portable/console hybrid out that is apparently hack-friendly for all you MAME/emulator types.

this?
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?239578-NeoGeoX-Hacking-and-Mods
Games on an SD card, Linux on a micro SD card soldered to the circuit board.

yeah -- the whole thing is just weird. you plug in the portable into a clamshell charger that makes it look like the original console, which you plug in to the TV. very xzibit yo dawg-esque.

It's like the reverse of a SNES Gameboy Player cartridge.

man that thing looks HELLA cheap

Yeah, like it should come with a happy meal.

That frosted clear plastic makes everything look cheap.

Shipping to kickstarters on March 28 (am i the only one?)

full launch/in stores in June.

I'm one of them, I'll be in India then though, grr.

I'm one too.

retail launch: June 4

the reviews haven't been too hot, to say the least

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/4/4180242/ouya-review

This console isn't finished — it's not even close.

That's a criticism that can be levelled at every console at launch, ever.

true. here's the full conclusion, though:

For $99, everyone who backed Ouya's Kickstarter has unwittingly signed up to beta-test a game console. Alpha-test, even: this is a product with some good ideas and a potentially promising future, but it's a million miles away from something worth spending your money on. Even if the concept is right, the Ouya misses the mark. The controller needs work, the interface is a mess, and have I mentioned there's really nothing to do with the thing? I'm not even sure the concept is right, either: there are plenty of fun Android games, but currently few that work well with a controller and even fewer that look good on your television.

Let's say everything goes exactly right for Ouya. Every good game in the Play Store becomes available to Ouya, Netflix and Amazon decide to play nice with the device, and the ROM and hacker community explode and make every app and many more available to the nascent platform. Then and only then, Ouya can be viable — if it can combine a decent set-top box with a decent gaming platform, it may have a case to make for your $99. But those are a lot of cards that have to fall a particular way, and without them the Ouya is a lot more like a Raspberry Pi than an Xbox 360.

To its credit, the company says loudly and often that this is only the beginning of a long road for Ouya — and I'll be watching its progress with interest. But the device is currently being sold as a product, not a prototype, and that's just wrong. Ouya isn't a viable gaming platform, or a good console, or even a nice TV interface. I don't know what it is, but until Ouya figures it out, it's not worth $99.

I don't think anyone's unwittingly signed up to be a beta tester - people who have an Ouya now know what they're getting into. In no way have Ouya mis-sold or mis-represented what this console is or it's immediate future capabilities. The interface problems are likely one of the top priorities and will probably be sorted by June 4. After that, maybe there'd be cause for complaint if the interface isn't any better. But the PS3 had a terrible interface for a long time (and arguably still has a terrible interface).

without them the Ouya is a lot more like a Raspberry Pi than an Xbox 360.

I sort of get what the writer is saying here, but these three platforms are all very unlike each other. The Pi is a hacker box, while the Ouya is only that secondarily. With the 360, it would be fairer to compare the Ouya to XBLA. Or maybe compare it to a supercharged version of one of those no-name HDMI Android dongles, but with way better support and investment.
OTOH I have to agree that the battery compartments in the controller look terrible, and could have been put around the back like on a 360 controller.

haven't read their review yet, but the verge panned it

http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/4/4180242/ouya-review

dude, that is what was linked and quoted a few posts above

great link! ;)

Yeah I dunno, my support for this was totally raspberry pi style. I want a low powered TV-connected machine with a game pad which I can hack around with and play emulators on. If I'd bought into it thinking "yes! new console!" then I guess I'd be rightly disappointed but has anyone actually done that? (Mine hasn't actually shipped yet, may change my tune when it arrives).

probably should've actually looked at the thread tbh

I don't think anyone's unwittingly signed up to be a beta tester - people who have an Ouya now know what they're getting into.

Yup. It's $99 - not $599. People know what they're getting, especially people who dropped money into the kickstarter.

I only watched the video review, but complaining it took some effort to get emulators and ROMs to work, but that they were able to, was a weird complaint - did they think you could just press a button and have every old game downloaded and running on the console (or maybe that they would be preloaded)?

that d-pad looks as crappy as the 360 one, can you pair up other controllers with this thing?

I've heard you can, any bluetooth controller (including the ps3 one), or the wired 360 one will work (not the wireless 360 one yet though). The problem is the other controllers don't have the touchpad you need to navigate menus and play some games...

It's Bluetooth so I'm sure someone will hack it. The touchpad might be an issue though. OTOH if someone got a PS4 controller working with this that'd be hilarious.

The PS4 controller is gonna cost at least $60 alone

Yeah I know, but surely someone will hack it to show off their skills. Just because a hack is expensive and has limited value doesn't stop people.

man, if it can run an NES/SNES/Genesis/Turbographix emulator we're all good

i really just want a retro system for roms, the end.

related: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528855

plain old hacked wii is pretty good at running the roms...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hKKCoTlDjHo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59CjuKmGwyo

related: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=528855

― I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 April 2013 03:48 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol at people complaining about how nes games look in hd

i know how that sounds, but old systems often look really bad on HDTVs, worse than they did on CRTs

Old CRTs did add a certain fuzziness to the picture which can be hard to separate from the whole aesthetic of retro games. The first time I ran a BBC Micro emulator full screen on a PC with an LCD display, it was a bit of a shock, because everything was so crisp and someone how much blockier that I remembered.

Some LCD TVs (and emulators) try to "solve" the blocky sharpness by curving the lines and it looks even worse.

RE: Ouya tho, give it time. AFAIK there are a few big companies that are planning on supporting the thing.

xp Bear in mind that 8-bit/16-bit era games were designed visually with the limitation/feature of scanlines, so it is jarring when you see pixel perfect emulation. Sometimes it looks crisp and great, but other times it looks very strange. We discussed this a little bit in another thread, that some emulators now are trying to solve this problem with special filters and such, but it's a trickier problem than it sounds. In general, old analog inputs into modern HDTVs generally don't look so good

Most emulators have something like "X frames of motion blur" which doesn't really cut it. Though I'm definitely in the camp that doesn't want CRT-ification filters.

And in general interpolation/upscale filters on LCD TVs are terrible regardless of whether you're looking at a console or a TV programme.

I agree, but only because right now they're all terrible. I think at some point if they can solve the math problem or whatever it is to make it look the way it was originally did, it's an option we should have rather than everything being super-crisp or 4xAA.

that retron controller looks so uncomfortable

guys i know all this about scanlines

the solution is, get a CRT tv, and a NES

eh, putting roms on an SD card onto a flash cart is sooooooo cumbersome, who wants to do that?

yeh retron controller is rubbish, but you can plug in any NES, SNES or Genesis/Megadrive controller supposedly
i'm interested in how it turns out, but they seem to be promising a lot of stuff that looks hard to deliver

so, despite being one of the earliest fools kickstarters, I am apparently one of the very last set of people to receive the console. they send a weekly email update with the shipping stats, and the % of Ouyas that have been shipped to early funders is at around 90% or higher.

:(

That sucks. Couldn't they have sent out the consoles in the order that people paid?

i got mine. made so little of an impression that i didn't even think to post!

I'm basically going to use it to emulate older games, I guess. Sigh. and if someone figures out cool ways to hack it and blow my miiiiiind duuuuuude, then that as well.

What's your opinion on the controller?

the controller feels cheap as shit but it feels okay in the hands.
the only appeal so far (and it's a big one) is that there are genesis/snes/ds/gameboy/nes emulators available for immediate download so this is the no frills 100 buck emu console I've been waiting for. Now i just need another life where i can replay all my old games.

Yeah I've had no shipping notification yet, seems a bit of a shambles really. Apparently they e had to push back their retail launch date etc. But yeah, hard to get too miffed about delays given that I'm only going to be using it to play 10+ year old games.

would you guys get behind some kind of open gaming platform that ran on existing last-gen consoles (ps2,xbox,wii,etc...) through some sort of hackery? i always thought that the way to do this sort of thing would be to take advantage of the hardware that's already in most people's houses.

prefer Steambox-like "platform" to open up; their marketplace may be curated, but they have most of what you already need (open PC platform, TV output and controller input standards)

could ouya run steambox client?

now THAT is an interesting question.

btw, i don't dig that this thing is by default always online and reporting back so i basically unplug it whenever i'm not using it... it's also the fourth HDMI on a three HDMI tv soooo....

finally received my ouya in the mail. i tried a few emulators. the EMUya seems to work really well for NES - no complaints there. MUPEN64 is the first n64 emulator i've ever tried, and it doesn't appear to work at all (rogue squadron wouldn't even load, mario golf had visual chaos all over the screen, and mario tennis is like having a slow motion seizure).

of the modernish games, deep dungeons of doom is really fun!

how does the controller feel?

it feels fine to me, although i think probably more forgiving than most. there was a moment where one of the buttons got stuck, but that was because when i put the faceplate back on after inserting the batteries i didn't push it into the proper position. the d-pad feels good (which is especially important to me because i'm mainly playing old games and modern games with a retro feel). haven't really used the analog sticks much. the triggers feel good to me as well.

i kinda wish it had a start button! it has an ouya button which lets you exit out of games or back to the home screen, but a lot of older games are like "PRESS START!" at the beginning and it would be nice to..press start.

sorry, first sentence should read "...i think I'M probably more forgiving..."

in terms of the controller. in real life i am ruthless, don't blink, and drink blood

one thing that i wish existed (if someone knows of it, please let me know!) is some sort of website for reviews/recommendations of ouya games. the menu system for browsing through games to download is not so helpful. three of the categories (CHECK IT, STAFFPICKS, and FAVS) all seem to cover the same territory. i find myself wishing that there was a website that would just recommend 10 games to try out. actually, there sort of is already, but it is...not a good website.

another gripe - games need to be upfront about what is available as free content and what's going to cost extra. for example, like many people i downloaded Final Fantasy III immediately, and it lets you jump straight into the quest. upon launching the game i see that there's an option to purchase the full game for $15.99, but it doesn't offer any indication of how far you can go before it'll make you pay.

it just seems like that for a platform that is built on a model of free to try, purchase extra content/the full game, there should be a system in place that is clear about what you're getting and not getting for every game.

the real killer for me is just that i have 3 hd inputs on my tv, a 360 a ps3 and a tivo.
i don't like switching out cords. /first world etc

deception is a key component of F2P profitability

update on the n64 roms - as i should have known, it's more of an issue with the roms than anything to do with the ouya. the super mario 64 rom works very well (at least after 30 minutes or so).

You know forks, decent and very cheap hdmi auto-splitters exist these days. I only recently picked one up but it CHANGED MY LIFE.

Anyway I finally got a tracking number for my ouya the other day, but DHL say it doesn't exist.

Any MAME-type emus on there yet ZS?

RE: HDMI Splitter - you got an amazon link suggestion?

This is the one I got - http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001DAHS5Q/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

xpost

not that i know of...but that just comes from browsing the RETRO category, which had a NES, SNES, and a N64 emulator. i'm hopeful that soon there will be more emulators popping up, especially a genesis or Gameboy emulator.

I guess sideloading is an option too, not sure how fiddly that'll prove to be though.

yeah, and on that topic, i wish i knew more about android. obviously ouya is not going to be a top tier xbox/ps/nintendo level platform, so a lot of its value will come from the ways that you can hack and modify it. unfortunately i know nothing about how to do any of that stuff. hopefully some decent newbie guides will be made available soon.

forks - check monoprice for any cables, splitters, etc. Cheap price, good quality.

is this what i'm looking for?
http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011001&p_id=8150&seq=1&format=2#description

I think so?

i don't think i really understand how the controllers are supposed to sync up with the ouya. it instructs that you should hold in the ouya button in the center until the 4 lights switch to 2, and then let go. i hold in the button, a few seconds the 4 lights switch to 2, and then i let go. then, if i'm lucky, a minute goes by and it finally recognizes the controller. if i'm unlucky, like right now, 5 minutes go by with the two lights flashing, and the controller is totally unresponsive otherwise.

oh wait, finally, as i was typing that, it finally synced up. it had been about 6-7 minutes.

you don't sound like a happy beta tester.

killer app: make a badly animated frog jump around Swindon.

http://www.fayju.com/blog/projects/amazing-frog/

(btw I've only used this so far for emulation, N64 and snes stuff is working really well, haven't yet managed to find time to do the extra bit of fiddling that MAME will require, but yeah, this box is basically doing what I wanted it to do so that's fine).

which n64 emulator are you using? whichever one i used had catastrophic problems with more than half of the roms i tried.

Just the one in their store. I've only tried 5 or 6 roms to be fair, and there are a few which didn't work when I tried to run them at full resolution but worked fine when I dropped them to something closer to the original screen size (which is I guess 640x480? Maybe even lower actually). So that might help.

http://i.imgur.com/WBVmBuk.jpg

;_;

have to admit i'm tempted by that $39.99 sega, though. never had a genesis growing up!

The Ouyas on that shelf are still priced at $99.99, which is what they sell for on the Ouya website.

What's really ;_; is Stuart Ashen finding a Kickstarter developer version in a second hand shop before the official release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf_jmGaanuY

that $40 genesis is made by some non-sega company in china, i guess? amazon reviews are hit and miss. one says the emulation is funky (distorted audio, slower performance). and 40 of the built in games are weird homegrown shit, which sounds like a draw, imo.

I bought one of these for $80 just for playing emulators. Just got it up last night and both GoldenEye and Mario Kart 64 worked great. The Ouya games seem pretty lame though.

the bitcoin of game consoles

i used it for 2 days. it's been sitting behind my tv ever since.

yes, i'm an idiot

ditto, on all points

Thritto.

And their latest move is really laughable. I'm sure their original pitch was something like "android games are great but so much better on a big screen", so it takes some brass neck to then try to sell the "imagine how great it'd be to take these big screen ouya games and put them back on mobile devices!" argument.

whats their latest move

im actually just amazed that any of you guys even got one

like, received one

Ouya Everywhere

http://kotaku.com/theres-pretty-much-no-reason-to-buy-a-ouya-anymore-1537697326

^yup

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/03/06/ouya-everywhere-starts-with-mad-catzs-mojo-microconsole-in-spri/

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/03/03/report-ouya-everywhere-puts-games-on-tv-pc-without-the-ouya/
This is so stupid, it's basically admitting that the whole idea of the Ouya was a waste of time, because all anybody had to do was hang around for slightly less than two years for Android tablets and TV dongles to get powerful enough.

Or, you know, play games on your PC, because it's not like you can do that at the moment oh wait you can! Which kills off the one remaining advantage that the Ouya had, that it was powered from the mains and could run it's processor at full speed without having to balance that against battery life.

I wonder who feels that they got burnt more: people who bought a Wii U or people who bought an Ouya?

Gotta be Ouya, Wii U's performance was fairly predictable

Got both, feel ok.

at least the bath people took on the ouya was a cheaper bath.

And the Wii U does have some good stuff; it's just looking like GameCube Redux.

i just got an email from ouya with the subject line "Fart where no frog has farted before"

this company's gonna go out of business or something

i'm sure the mass market will pick this over a fire tv or android tv

they're just gonna sell apps

if only someone would have warned me that buying an Ouya might be a bad idea

speak for yourself, i bought mine with bitcoin

i was a little shocked at the enthusiasm for ouya given the graveyard of linux-based game systems already out there plus the well-established and polished hacks for existing systems if your main interest was emulation.

maybe ouya was just a way to vote against the big 3? like it's main feature was being a political lever -- in which case I'd say it was a success.

pyrrhic, but yeah

feel like the steambox is gonna be what ends up getting that Fuck Everyone dollar

hahaha

i would get that over this

um
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmqJnR5IUAEC4z7.jpg

lol

http://i.imgur.com/iEPBagF.png

Amico Intellivision - this holiday season's Ouya (if it actually gets released on time).

who's in?!

afaict the guys behind it are all hardcore conservative christian boomers who wanted to make a console for conservative christian parents without all that sex and violence and microtransactions that would fill little johnnies head with sin. no surprise that creepos like Doug TenNapel are working on games for it.