Pro Evolution Soccer 2009

gonna be playing pro evo pretty much solidly this friday/weekend

i have a hot xbox console waiting for me on my friend's couch so ill say this

holding down R2 when receiving the ball has helped a lot

if you know what i mean

was VERY disappointed that the US team in PE2008 didn't have the real players

the current PES is some bullshit. it stopped being fun for some reason. there seemed to be a logic to the previous versions, from PES3 onweards anyhow, that was compromised in PES6 and killed off in 2008. it's difficult to explain because it's not one or two glaring things. anyway, supposedly 2009 is a back to the drawing board affair, which they say about FIFA every year and which to date hasn't stopped that franchise disappearing down the shitter. PES 2009 will be 50/50 chance of rebirth or death. meanwhile, all i want is a decent footie game to play.

i guess i'm not hard-core but PES2008 seems exactly like the previous version except with up-to-date players on the intl squads (with some glaring exceptions, like the US)

I'm skeptical that PES 2009 is going to be significantly different that 2008/2007. They keep saying the same stuff, but. Actually I only played 2008 on the wii (played 2007 on the 360 and it never captured my attention), which was fun, but a little too shallow. I'm quite happy with FIFA 08 on the ps3, except I feel like it moves a little slow, you just can't get those really speedy strikes - I've heard maybe they fixed this with the UEFA game, if that carries over to 09, I think EA will get my money again.

the current PES is some bullshit. it stopped being fun for some reason. there seemed to be a logic to the previous versions, from PES3 onweards anyhow, that was compromised in PES6 and killed off in 2008. it's difficult to explain because it's not one or two glaring things. anyway, supposedly 2009 is a back to the drawing board affair, which they say about FIFA every year and which to date hasn't stopped that franchise disappearing down the shitter. PES 2009 will be 50/50 chance of rebirth or death. meanwhile, all i want is a decent footie game to play.

-- Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:32 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Sounds like time for Dino Dini to come back and retain his crown

man, Kick Off and Kick Off 2 were the bollocks when they came out, but Sensi buried them so quickly. we were spoiled, way back when.

played ko2 again recently, it's not quite as good as i remembered it.

but then i played sensi soccer, the remake, and it's even worse. What's with all the fouling by the computer? quite unplayable.

i agree with roberto- my PS2 2008 version has recently been retired due to scratching and i've gone back to playing 2005- and it's a much cleaner, sharper version with more control over the players, especially off the ball.

how do you control players off the ball????

2008 was absolute bullshit, online play on the 360 was a laggy nightmare. I bought it and played it for about five hours then threw it in a drawer and went back to 6 (which I still play on Xbox live weekly). Will probably try this before I buy it.

Also FIFA is some bullshit. Too arcadey. You can pick it up once and give someone who is a vet a real run for their money. No depth to that, too easy to score.

I don't know - this is the first year I picked up FIFA and I have a really hard time scoring (though maybe I'm just no good). From what I understand the game has evolved quite a bit over the years. When was the last time you tried it?

About a year ago maybe? Think it was the most recent one. One thing you can say for it is that it sure looks ten times better than Pro.

how do you control players off the ball????

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

sorry- was referring more to the movement of players off the ball, but yeah the 'super cancel' move gives you more freedom when running off the ball too in 2005 edition.

important that new pes. I've played all the previous ones to death until pes2008 which sucks so much I went to the enemy : fifa ! (and i'm pretty satisfied with it. slow but a lot more realistic than pes)
if pes2009 doesn't improve considerably, they will lose me forever (or until 2010).

spain v germany -

on one of my corners the guy on 2008 says "oh what's the point of putting all those men in the box if you're just going to play it short" because i do play it short, xavi to iniesta, who plays it right back to xavi, who curls a calm and and penetrating cross into the box. fabregas blocks out a defender long enough for villa to volley it home, no sweat. shut the hell up.

how do you control players off the ball????

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:52 (5 days ago) Link

buy the (wonderful) wii edition of course.

If this sucks I'm going to be annoyed. Really wish they'd get the demo out so I can get my disappointment over and done with.

I mean FIFA is as woeful as ever but at least EA seem to have some sort of grasp of how you market a game.

better hamit altintop plz

^ my favorite player!

So how's the new PES if anyone's played a demo or something ?
As I said upthread, I went to FIFA08 and after playing the FIFA09 demo I don't think I'll go back to PES unless it's REALLY improved as the new FIFA improves on many levels (better control of the players, easier to take the ball from the cpu...).

http://www.floridastatefair.com/images/Flashing%20Logo%20W%20Dates.gif

demo in Euro PSN on Thurs.

Xbox demo out on Friday according to my source (some guy who works with my mate).

was VERY disappointed that the US team in PE2008 didn't have the real players

Agreed, without a lovingly rendered Brad Guzan face this game is bullshit

Xbox demo out on Friday according to my source (some guy who works with my mate).

― jim

or Thursday according to the internet

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170221

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7031_en.html

http://www.floridastatefair.com/images/Flashing%20Logo%20W%20Dates.gif

look forward to em posting that gif again on UK release date and US release date. the demo will determine whether i throw away money on importing this to have it a few weeks early.

downloading the demo now!!

please report back on the quality of gameplay exhibited by the demo

yes illuminate us as to the game's propensity to create enjoyment

I tried the PC demo last night - don't know how different it is than the console versions, but I thought it played pretty good (fast and pretty easy). The game also ran great, very smooth @ 1080p on my maybe slightly better than average computer (above 60fps with v-sync turned on) - unlike the FIFA demo, which ran on the slightly choppy side). Unfortunately, the graphics, animation and presentation remain exceptionally lackluster.

This is downloading outrageously slowly from xbox live arcade for me. 15% in an hour.

wooooh, it sure is shiny

i don't want to try to speak for everyone, but from a personal perspective, that isn't the kind of detailed analysis i was hoping for.

never mind, for i shall be freed of the shackles of my timezone very shortly so that i can joined the huddled, face-streaked masses and DL the demo to judge for myself.

haha sorry roberto! it plays... funny. it seems very light (?), which seems to be a criticism many people levelled at the last iteration (pes 2008). certainly not as 'heavy' as pes4/5

so far (1 game), it seems to play like pes and it's difficult to see what they've improved; of course, it's hard playing using a 360 pad, which is awful; I suspect my complaints about the feel are rooted in my distaste for the pad

there's a video after you play a game in which it shows you the "become a legend" and "legends" mode and those look pretty neat, if only mildly diverting

the core of pes has always been about the 2player tho, which I can't test right now : /

haha iniesta looks like lescott!!

blessed fucking relief. this is more like it. i think this is going to be a good one. i don't know if i'm noticing it because constant mention of it in previews has put it at the front of my mind, but the mechanics of the ball do seem much more realistic, with the result that things like meeting a cross, intercepting a pass and shooting seem quite different to before, and much better a lot of the time. i am going to blame this for the missed sitter, two missed open goals, and the crossbar ping that i just managed in a 0-0 thrillah.

did you play much pes2008 or did you skip that one too, roberto?

man, I really wish I still had the ability to play PS1 PES1 and 2 : /

wish I still had a copy of PES4 too : /

i've played them all, owned them all since 3. 3 and 4 were highlights for me, and the subsequent versions have been successive steps down until *FINGER + TOES CROSSED* this one, which i am getting all excited about right now.

I can't download the 360 demo becuase I don't have a "gold" account right now :(

Hmmm, I think for the 1ast time I'll be geting FIFA this time

not everyone wants to play the same game, YMMV, etc but if people keep giving those dozy EA cunts money for that turgid piece of shit game then they will never realise how terrible it is and they will keep rolling out the same dismal product.

yeah but listen man it has all the proper kits and that

imo, Man Red have never been the same since they let Van Mistelrooj go.

so, despite the terrible 5-minute montage of useless features i'm not interested in that you have to sit through at the end of every single game, i played the demo a whole bunch of time and i am willing to go on record as saying i think it is going to be SHIT HOT, at least on the PS3, i can't speak for your fancy BBCs or your Sega "Master Systems". i am kind of excitable about it now because a friend has been asking me questions about my impressions and my enthusiasm started to boil out of control (possibly too much orange squash this morning). the other big thing i noticed apart from the ball mechanics is the players' legs. your typical football game gives players' legs approximately the same mobility as subbuteo did. but this game has bucked the trend, and their legs work like they are jointed and free moving, and they control the ball realistically. a broad and obvious example i noticed is that skill players would automatically use fancy ball control if i changed direction with them sharply.

I think I might buy fifa; reading the reviews it sounds like they've improved it a whole lot and the extra online features they've added seem amazing!!! </traitor>

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=249921

I'm going to re-download the demo and give it a proper try out

the beauty about buying fifa is that you instantly get what you deserve. people will keep buying it, so it must have some appeal, but i for one am flumoxed. i feel strongly about this because you have to have a good footy game, everyone knows that, and the continuing deterioration of the fifa series hurts that.

but yeah, people deciding they want fifa instead of pes or even instead of just keeping hold of their 40 quid/60 monolopy dollars, baffle me as much as the Alphabeat crowd. if anyone buys both the Alphabeat record and fifa 2009 then we live in alternate realities and YOU ARE DEAD TO ME.

but I don't think the 'deterioration of the fifa series' narrative holds much weight really - yeah, sure, for years they coasted by on their laurels and churned out useless fifa game after useless fifa game, but in the past five years pes has outdone in terms of sales (I think) and if not certainly in terms of cachet - which has meant that EA have actually got their fingers out and tried to rely on things other than licences and likenesses

I have played PES since it was ISS on the snes; all the way through ISS deluxe; PES1 and 2 on PS1; PES3, 4, 5 on the PS2 and PES6 on xbox 360; the last major iteration was the jump from 3 to 4 which introduced lots of moves that weren't in it previously (a lot of the turns which vary the directions and speed at which you kick the ball forward etc); by my tally PES has been resting on its laurels for 2-3 iterations now

by all accounts the online code for the last one stunk; and the online code for fifa is actually lag-free

it pains me; I'm a dyed in the wool PES fan, hardcore to a fault; but it's had its time, I think

I downloaded that alphabeat record and I think it is OK; I think I may be dead to you, roberto : (((

I even bought and played the godawful revivification of the ISS licence on the gamecube - god was that a bad football game

fifa has live stats, 10vs10, clan support... mmmm

http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/10/03/interview-ea-sports-marketing-boss-talks-fifa-09/

of course it means nothing if it plays like horseshit

i would count Euro 2008 and the FIFA 2009 demo amongst the worst football games i have ever played. i stand by the notion of a steady deterioration in EA football games. and i do think that the generally positive reviews and sales that the series gets (because a. football game reviews are typically terrible and b. people massively overvalue having real names and kits) hides the fundamental poorness of the series from its apparently clueless developers. they make high-concept changes that will sound good on a 30-sec TV slot that they mostly abandon the next time round (cf. Madden, NHL, prob every other sports series they do).

none of the ancillary details changes the fact that the FIFA 2009 demo was a torpid, frustrating mess and the PES 2009 demo is a lot of fun.

and the importance of any additional features comes second to regular gameplay by lightyears. if the presentation looks like it's running on a C64 and it has no extra features at all but the game is tasty vs cpu or 2 player then my needs are satisfied. i realise not everyone will feel the same way, but that's where i'm coming from.

I'll be keeping my PES5 on the go for the time being. still trying to build that perfect master league team.

The movement of players off the ball is still a major problem for me in the newer versions. Wouldn't be bothered with fifa, tbh.

Robert, I envy your rabid hatred. My problem is I like both.

I'm just worried that I am dead to roberto : (((((

have you decided if you are going to buy one of these jeff? you bought the wii pes08, didn't you? did you play much of that in the end?

looooool

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/948518

nice to see fifa has some skate-like video upload features tho

great goal!

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/882311

that was like the roberto carlos IRL one, but lamer

http://www.eafootballworld.com/en_GB/video/951655

yeah, I did pick up the wii version last year - didn't play near as much as I probably should have, but I did find the shitty wii graphics to be a real negative. It did some things good though... the new wii control system for passing and attacking is amazing and worked great... however shooting by shaking the remote never felt right to me. But the wii game's real problem was the simplified, broken defense control scheme... which made 50% of the game quite poor

This is throwing me a bit. Half of me thinks, oh my god what a load of horseshit (main gripes being: guys feel like they're ice skating, not just because it's faster than PES 6 which I usually play, because most football games are faster than that, but just because there's something a bit insubstantial about the movement that I can't really put well in to words because it's late and I'm ineloquent; seemingly having no control over the keeper when he has the ball, like I can't choose whether to throw it out or punt it up the park, WTF?, I never punt it, it's a totally lottery as to whether you're going end up with the ball or not) and the other half of me thinks "this seems ok" (like the way the crossing is now, like not having stupidly out of date teams, graphics are decent, scoring from a corner seems a little bit easier than in 6) and this is all tempered by the fact that I've only played against the computer and not against a real person, because I never play football games against the computer and the whole point of PES is to hump my pals Fuzz/Baz/Paul etc. and rub it in their face, and because the computer doesn't fuck up enough to give you lots of varied goalscoring opportunities so I can see how that, incredibly important aspect, of the game is going. Have found it dishearteningly easy to round the keeper thus far but that might just be a case of luck (often find that easy in the older versions).

And if that healthy does of tl;dr wasn't enough, the keepers fumble the ball too often from shots they should really hold. I understand this was a problem in 2008 but I didn't play that enough to know.

2008 keepers were about right, I thought

PES seems to see-saw each year between having retarded/superhuman keepers and tolerable referees/referees who blow up every five seconds for nothing and book you for every mistimed tackle

Yeah referees seem a tad draconian in this, as they did in 2008. Only good thing about that is that on xbox live you encounter so many goons who get a lucky goal and go ahead of you only to foul you whenever you look like you might have a move on.

Still not sure about the keepers, played earlier on and scored 3 goals that had resulted from shots spilled by the keeper. Haven't really found my shooting boots in this yet, haven't scored from outside the box yet.

Scored a corner (warning: video contains loud early 80s italian disco that I forgot to turn off when taking it)

Continuing my pro evo soliloquy via the medium of video: check out some incredibly sketchy goalkeeping as Iker Casillas makes a hash of catching a back-passed header.

woah; that is bad! o_O

It's not indicative of the gameplay in general although the keepers often do struggle to hold balls they should really catch.

looooooooooooool

^^^this will ruin online play, but expect it will be patched asap

like in PES2010

That is ridiculous. You could score from just inside the opponents half on Pro Evolution 6 but it was pretty hard to do and the keepers weren't that ridiculously far off their line/useless.

Actually I think he's at it there. Bringing the keeper out.

oh no he isn't

loooooooooooool

Bit of a caveat here, this is on Beginner mode because I couldn't be bothered with trying to find the space to lob against the better defenders. But my other video showing this shit was done on regular so this can happen on any difficulty level as far as I can tell.

played it last night.

SMOOTH.

OK. So I've played the demo... It's AWFUL on EVERY levels, guys ! It's worse than PES 6 on PS2 on visual aspects and the gameplay is terrible... I was a PES fanatic for years then switched to fifa08 which was good and now fifa09 which is great. not going back to PES anytime soon judging from the two latest ones...

aw, you were doing so well until you slipped in the "fifa09 which is great" part and ruined your credibility.

the IGN UK review separates the new PES/FIFA iterations by having FIFA as the more authentic and realistic and PES as clearly the more fun. in terms of importance for me, there isn't even a contest between the two, but maybe this split explains the variance in the experience people are having with each.

although, i'm not sure on what gravity-heavy planet people have been playing football that they think FIFA is realistic, but such things i suppose are in the eye of the beholder [2: the legend of darkmoon]

eheh. well, for years I thought the same thing about FIFA fans !
Honestly, I may not love FIFA09 as much as I've loved PES up to PES6 but I definitely see no match between FIFA09 and PES 2009...

so what - PES is now the fun arcade type game while FIFA is the snob's "authentic" simumlation?

authentic is a code word for boring i guess.

it's not my theory, i'm just trying to rationalise a phenomenon i can't really understand. also, what's with this God guy? is he real or what?

PES was always the authentic game and you (I) loved it for it; you dudes are like republicans

PES today is a shadow of its former self and tht saddens me; I am a PES dude; always will be

FIFA09 is fun and heavy and realistic and deep and all that good stuff; the online stuff is seamless and the game it plays on the park is impeccable

flamewar!!!!!!!!!!! let's do ps3 vs. 360 next

old FIFA was arcadey but never fun; old PES was deep and played a tight game of football which couldn't be exploited for easy goals (see old FIFA) and which was good for playing a mixture of different types of football

tbh; PES09 could be just as good as PES4 for all that I care but I played the demo a bunch and it didn't seem to have moved on tht much from PES4; what have they added to the core game mechanic?

the animations are stilted and very last-gen; FIFA's player movement has a cloud of possibilities! it seems that any thing that can happen on a football field has been animated into FIFA; this means the game feels and looks more realistic; PES little dudes are like autobots

still, the player skins do look nicer in PES; FIFA dudes look like zombies up close; tho who plays football games up close? : D

I am turning into the 'this guy' of PES

let go of the past, roberto!!! join us!!!!!!
http://www.olgabaclanova.com/pictures/freaks/104_gooble_gobble_med.jpg

whatchu talkin bout willis? as soon as PES tried to get super authentic it went down the tubes. they have got over that now and that's why the new one is so promising. it's not like it's wacky and divorced from reality, but it's quicker and smoother. those are demonstrable qualities, not my personal opinions.

also, lol, pay to go online much?

it was meant to be great
but it's gone wrong again
it's a beautiful night
so paint the wall white again

I am going to play the pes demo again so help me god

Hmmm... I might check it out this weekend to see what Spiralli is on about

baaderonix : remember the arcade foot game we played at LTDN lately ? that's how I felt playing the PES2009 demo...
also : damn, you were right about rayman...

omg srsly go back and play the pes demo fifa dudes!!!

By Gad, sir, you are a character. There's never any telling what you'll say or do next, except that it's bound to be something astonishing.

You won't need much of anybody's help. You're good. Chiefly your eyes, I think, and that throb you get in your voice when you say things like 'omg srsly go back and play the pes demo fifa dudes'

I do know I always went heavily armed, and that I never went to sleep without covering the floor around his bed with crumpled FIFA packaging, so that nobody I won't come silently into his thread again and troll.

Here's to plain speaking and clear understanding.

anyway, yes, I apologise, no more trolling from me, sorry

here's some useful information about the pro evolution soccer 2009 videogame:

Konami unveils first PES 2009 club update as eagerly-awaited football epic hits stores across Europe…

As Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH’s PES 2009 hits stores today for PLAYSTATION®3, Xbox 360 and PC-DVD, the publisher has announced a free downloadable update for early November, expanding upon the games licensed teams and in-game elements.

The download will be available in about three weeks, and updates four Spanish sides – Athletico Madrid, Sevilla, Racing Santander and Valladolid, – all of whom will be officially licensed. Furthermore, it will also update the kits and team rosters of many teams within the game. The UEFA Champions League mode will also benefit from the new update, with twelve more teams added to the club list, with proper UEFA Champions League kits and kit markings added. Amongst the teams fully updated within this mode now will be Marseille, Juventus, and Basel.

The new raft of additions further demonstrate Konami’s commitment to expanding the licence roster in the PES series. Every aspect of PES 2009 has been reworked from the ground up, with new player models, AI elements and physics routines all combining to create the most advanced and realistic football game ever. The game also includes new Become a Legend and Legends mode, wherein players guide one player within a team either solo or online. Expanding upon this, the update also adds a new Theatre of Legends function which allows users to upload replay data for friends to view, and to view those of others.

The PES series has always been famed for its deep yet accessible control system, but the new game is aiming even higher. PES 2009 offers an unprecedented level of control, redefining the intricacies of first touch, close control and ball distribution, while also enhancing its shooting and AI mechanisms to create an all-round footballing experience. New control systems wherein the player can now perform tricks and feints without the use of special moves have been implemented, and the way the player guides the ball has been changed. The PES series has always treated the ball as a separate entity, but new calculations related to the air resistance and friction of the ground make passing and movement in PES 2009 a great deal more realistic.

“PES 2009 is already a million seller in pre-orders alone, but these new additions show how we are determined to continually improve the content of the game,” commented Jon Murphy PES European Team Leader for Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH. “We hope the updated team data and new UEFA Champions League elements will show our ongoing support for PES 2009’s team rosters, and look to continually enhancing such sections in the coming year at no extra cost.”

So there we have it, news which will surely please PES players. We've been waiting for some concrete information on the DLC every since it was confirmed in an interview with Seabass, and here are the key points from this press release

It's FREE
It will be available in early November, NOT tomorrow as other sites reported
Four new Spanish Licenses
Updated rosters and kits
Updated Champions League teams and badges
Theatre of Legends mode

this is out today in the UK; I promised not to troll so I won't but reading the EG thread on this isn't pleasant tho there is a very heavy fifa09 leaning over there so make of it what you will

the seemingly-open minded folx over there aren't making many positive noises either

who is picking it up from here?

example post from EG:

Got my copy today and have played it for a couple of hours. It's just not very good tbh. Not as realistic as FIFA and not as "fun" and arcadey as PES 2008. I just don't see what it brings to the table. Comparing it to FIFA is like comparing Clive Barker's Jericho by Clive Barker to The Orange Box or something equally as silly.

They've even ruined the one thing people always praise PES for, which is responsiveness. In what I assume is an attempt to replicate FIFA, they've added in extra frames of animation, making it just as allegedly unresponsive as FIFA is. Every player handles like a double-decker bus and runs at the speed of an arthritic tortoise when they have the ball. You can go clean through with someone like Ronaldo and someone like Materazzi gain ground on you, even sprinting flat out by tapping R1.

The AI is pants as well. I won 3-0 on Top Player in my first game and have only conceeded one goal so far in about 7 or 8 matches, and that came from a bug in the goalkeeper AI. Namely I saved a penalty, there was a scramble for the rebound and the keeper just stood there doing nothing. They eventually got a shot off and the keeper just watched as it rolled past him, apparently stuck in some kind of post-penalty save animation until the ball hit the net.

Online is an absoloute joke at the moment as well. Even connecting is a problem right now, with seveal attempts resulting in some unspecified error. When I did get on I noticed you need one of those shitting Konami ID things, and if you don't have one it pops up the web browser with a massive form to fill in to obtain one. Even worse is that the website is incredibly slow at the moment.

Fortunately I remembered I already had one from the equally tedious process of signing up for the MGS Online beta, so I used that. It then throws you into a lobby system which is segregated by country and then further still into rooms of 100, which to me seems like it'll only limit your possible opponents. It looks nearly exactly the same as the old PS2 online interface, and is a step back from last year's simple one IMO.

Played two games online, both full of lag and teleporting players. Though my opponents only had yellow on the connection indicator, whereas I had green. Was drawing one game at half time and either the other guy quit or we both got disconnected. The other one I was winning 3-1 when the (different) guy again quit. Third try the other person just sat there doing nothing in the menus waiting for the timer to run down, and you still can't quit out of a match without exiting to the XMB. Marvellous.

It's horrid. Plays like an absoloute dog, lacking in the looks department, laughable out of date squads which may or may not be fixed in a month depending on Konami's definition of "many" and the online seems like a clusterfuck again (though I'm willing to accept it may be launch day overload -- even though there were only about 4 or 5000 people online when I was on).

Despite the inevitable accusations of FIFA fanboydom, I've been a PES/ISS supporter for as long as anyone (my first love being ISS Deluxe on the SNES). This is just an unacceptable effort though. If I didn't know better I'd say PES 2009 was an expensive practical joke, or some kind of experiment into the lengths of brand loyalty. How anyone could enjoy this over FIFA is baffling to me. It's awful.

All IMO of course.

sounds like a balanced, even handed account. steers clear of hyperbole and exaggeration. A+

I just don't see what it brings to the table. Comparing it to FIFA is like comparing Clive Barker's Jericho by Clive Barker to The Orange Box or something equally as silly.

I only played this for 2-3 hours but it seems like it's really not that good

Goalkeepers are fucked apparently. I'll upload a video my mate made of some shambolic handling of a weak shot directly at the keeper. I will acquire this anyway, but that's only because I'm getting my xbox hax0red next week.

nota bene: it's no even a weak shot it's a fucking passback.

my PS2 2008 version has recently been retired due to scratching and i've gone back to playing 2005

my 2005 disc got broke.

from those of you playing this- is it worth getting or should i pick up 5 or 6 again on the cheap?

moving to FIFA isn't an option.

I'm just going to reinvest in 6 I think (I broke my disc by knocking over my xbox while it was in it and it got scratched to fuck).

come to the dark side!!!!!

joeks

from what I hear, 6's multiplayer code was OK darraghmac; it's closer to PES4/5 than PES2008 (which is apparently the real stay-away in the series, tho I never played it beyond the demo) - you can pick up PES4 for £1 these days, 6 shouldn't that expensive either

ok, that's the plan so. 5 or 6 would be my preferred versions on the PS2 so far anyway.

also- kevin prince boateng and adel taraabt are phenomenal in PES6. I'll go for that one.

haha, i remember those guys. are they still spurs? i don't even know AND I AM A SPURS FAN

this thread is packed with nonsense. 2008 was just as good as previous PES games. Just stick to PS2.

As for the new one I've played it on Xbox plenty and I can't wait to play it more, the keepers are not by any stretch of the imagination "fucked", they're incredibly good compared to other editions.

All I've heard about Fifa is how woeful it is yet again. I'm never buying FIFA and I've no worries that the new PES which I bought y'day on PS2 will be great.

You're all going to hell featuring commentary by John Motson.

and sorry, "lacking in the looks department", I can't believe how good Pro Evo looks on Xbox 360...

also sorry but playing the demo and giving up on the game cos of it is utter bullshit, those demos aren't even exact emulations of the finished game, I've never had any kind of rounded opinion of PES after one of them, just gave them the benefit of the doubt and bought the game.

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Hmm, not sure how keen I am on this. Just got it tonight, first game online was pretty laggy in parts and the refereeing was ridiculous. Won 5-1 with an Eto'o hat-trick. And if anything is likely to keep me playing this and not reverting back to 6 it's the awesome pace in the Barca squad, Eto'o, Messi and Henry + Dani Alves on the wing = profit.

I tried the demo real briefly earlier, it looked good for sure, but it still doesn't really feel like PES on ps2 to me. will try it out more seriously later, just wish they hadn't put that fucking movie at the end of every game, kind of goes against the purpose of a demo if you ask me.

And I just got the Fifa demo as well...!

LG how you getting on? am still thinking about getting this.

haha, i remember those guys. are they still spurs?

yeah, but not getting game time. boateng looks pretty awful IRL

my flatmate bought this today and i think this is the first year i'm failing to feel super excited about it. but you never know.

i think i was only excited about 2008 last year because it was gonna have a shit hot man united team and arsenal were shit, it'll probably be the same this year though actually!

certainly by the time the first web update kicks in....

and also i hope delap's throw-in abilities are included

thinking exactly the same thing- and jenas to control like a hound for eight games out of ten for no frickin reason

agh, this is rubbish.

yeah ain't being funny or nothing but you people are suckers

ur harshin my clit buzz man

i am feeling kind of hung out to dry about the new footie releases this year. FIFA really is dreadful and i cannot rationalise people enjoying that game, it just defeats me. the new PES is their best in-game product for a few years but the online play sounds like it is lousy again, and stuck out in the colonies i am going to need online play. a read a lot of people are buying both to get around this, but fuck that. if it's a choice between both or neither than i will spend my cash on something that actually works, thanks all the same.

I know its not ideal but you cd grab pes6 (if you haven't already) it wd at least give you online play... I think pes5 (on the ps2) did as well but I'm not sure if tht's compatible with PSN; don't know wht the online community is like for them these days but I know of some ppl who are sticking w/6 in light of 09's 'supposed' lag; also the 'lag' problems are like most things v. anecdotal - have you tried 09 online, local garda?

we played this tonight.. actually v enjoyable!

man utd basically unbeatable

(except i beat my flatmate playing as them)

forwards seem to be able to just walk past defenders

start playing on "become a legend" mode and quit ye whining. really enjoying that.

haha i played that last night! (i became a regular MVP in um, bolton, and then forgot to save the fucking thing ugh).

if you get a higher rating does that give you more experience in that area? or is it just really going through the motion and playing the game? i feel i'm gonna have to play for like a month before my player would have any actual decent skills (i pumped up the dribbling skills as much as i could so it helps a bit..)

Have they patched this up at all yet (like the goalie thing)? It's finally out over here next week...

start playing on "become a legend" mode and quit ye whining. really enjoying that.

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bought it. played this mode all weekend. the FP perspective is great. enjoying the game very much so far, goalies not a problem.

I abandoned the first person view cos it was too unnatural in the end. I'm playing on top player and it's a really hard slog. I started at Wigan, spent a horrible time at Deportivo playing lone striker in a 5-4-1, then moved to Mallorca and finally scored my first goal against Real Madrid. Now I've moved back to the UK with Middlesboro.

interesting career progression...

yeah, the FP view is strange, but i'm enjoying it as a challenge. i'm still in first year, at bolton- five goals and 4 MVP so far from central midfield, but that's on the medium difficulty.

it plays ok so far, i have to say, but i'll only know for sure when i switch back to normal view.

out today

Update details

The following features were added by this update file:
1) 2 new features "Replay Upload" and "Theatre of Legends" for Legends Mode.
2) A new Download feature in the System Settings, used for updating various game data.

* Unless you update the game by selecting "Download" from Systems Settings, you won't be able to play against customers who have already applied the update.

This download will updates four Spanish sides

* C. ATLETICO MADRID,
* SEVILLA F.C.,
* R. RACING C.
* and VALLADOLID,

all of whom will be officially licensed. Furthermore, it will also update the kits and team rosters of many teams within the game. The UEFA Champions League mode will also benefit from the new update, with twelve more teams added to the club list, with proper UEFA Champions League kits and kit markings added.

Please see below for the details.

The following team kits will be updated by the PES patch (once download content data has been validated). Please be aware that any kit data edited by the user before the download will be lost.(only for the teams listed below so don't worry about the others on your option file)

* FRANCE
* LIVERPOOL FC
* MANCHESTER UNITED
* FC GIRONDINS DE BORDEAUX
* OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS
* OLYMPIQUE DE MARSEILLE
* ACF FIORENTINA
* INTER
* JUVENTUS F.C.
* A.S. ROMA
* PSV
* FC BARCELONA
* REAL MADRID C.F.
* VILLARREAL C.F.
* ATHLETIC CLUB
* R.C.D. ESPANYOL
* MAD ROJO/BLANCO
* R.C.D. MALLORCA
* SANT BLANCO/VERDE
* SEV BLANCO
* VALL VIOLETA
* SK SLAVIA PRAHA
* PANATHINAIKOS
* FC PORTO
* SPORTING
* CFR CLUJ
* STEAUA BUCURESTI
* FC ZENIT ST. PETERSBURG
* CELTIC FC
* FC BASEL 1893
* FENERBAHÇE SK
* SHAKHTAR DONETSK
* FC DYNAMO KYIV

Team rosters will be updated to match those registered by teams at the close of the summer transfer window (August 31st 2008). Please be aware that once the downloaded data has been automatically validated, any user generated team roster data or team formation settings will be lost. User generated player and team data (excluding formation settings) will remain intact.

All save files will remain intact.

Save data which is created whilst the download is being validated will be invalid once the downloaded content has been removed.

Only users who have downloaded content data which has been validated will be able to play online.

how do the player rater thing work? i played some blinders and they give me 6.0 and then some days you stand around doing fuck all and you get man of the match

and if you're the MVP does that mean all your stats go up loads rather than just specific ones? (that's why no one is highlighted?)

also, love that the amount of injury time given is totally irrelevant in this game.

Everything about this game is irrelevant because it's garbage.

a cutting remark

I've found the player rater very fair, tho I'm on top player. If I fuck up or lose the ball a lot I never get MVP. Finally getting good now in my fifth season. I moved from Boro to Marseilles for some CL football and have got about 12 goals this year. MVP in a lot of games for the first time.

aghhh... become a legend sounds like fun, maybe need to get after all.

but we all agree that this series is no longer playing in the same league as it did back on ps2? that is, gameplay has gotten worse and appears to stay that way

i do not agree. this new one is some good shit alrite.

i played this for a decent while on saturday, two player co-operative against computer. it wasn't half as good as the 'become a legend' mode, and the passing/control seemed pretty bad.

i was playing as spurs, though.

aforementioned 'legend' mode is great.

your problem was deciding to play 2-player co-op vs the computer in a footie game. you can't blame the game for your poor decisions. i can't even begin to understand the appeal. you have a friend, play 1 vs 1. it's the natural order of things and you are a deviant if you think otherwise.

always play that way, co-op with my brother in the 'master league' option (the only way to play two player in ML), so that wasn't it.

you're just making it worse, deviant.

No way...I always play co-op too, it's amazing the goals you score sometimes, so satisfying when one of you tears through the middle and the other lobs a through ball. Also it took about a year to win the World Cup on top player with Ireland, 5 lost finals. Genuine party atmosphere when we finally beat Spain on penalties. The problem may have been in the fictional world in which we placed this effort, Roddy Collins was manager of Ireland having left out successful AC Milan Master League side.

if the fact that the main pleasure for me in these games is being able to lord it over my mates makes me a small man then i am a small man. a very, very small man. the humiliated tears of a friend are like ambrosia to me. on the other hand, i live in fear of the day that suddenly i'm not better than everyone else, and all of my past vainglory is revisited upon me.

lol fancy a game?

the main pleasure for me is that i can always blame someone else when we lose.

always play co-op with friends

just signed for athletico madrid...what a moment

and still no call from giovanni trappatoni

yeah, actually. where the fuck is my call up?

still can't believe i won the european cup in the 2nd year of my footballing career

yet still not good enough to represent china

you're not on top player right?

this season have scored 17 goals in about 25 games for athletico. we're 3rd in the league and out of the CL. hoping this puts me in shop window for a huge move.

and for trappatoni

it's just occurred to me that

1) I'm quite lardy arsed

2) don't shave much

3) play guitar into the wee small hours.

i'm never gonna get a call up :(

if it goes on any longer I'm going to pretend I'm in a Stephen Ireland style standoff

yeah i'm on whatever medium level is and also i kind of cheated when i got to the champions league final with man united as I slided in first minute and fucked up paul scholes (but the computer never seems to substitute injured players)

i think i'm united's nemesis actually coming to think of it - i scored the opening goal last night in a league match with the back of my head from a corner in a 3-1 rout.

that's the fun part. i seem no more competent on screen than i would be in real life. i rely on jonathan elmander to make me look good.

particularly as i've made myself as short and fat as possible for laughs. i worry this may somehow affect my acceleration/jumping, but the stats seem separate?

I went back and played some Winning Eleven 8 (Pro Evo 4) this evening and was surprised by how much it felt exactly like Pro Evo 2009. I think that's a good thing?

It may be obvious, but the one thing going back taught me to appreciate is this gens 16 X 9 support. You get such a better view these days in widescreen - it's so much easier to pick out your passes, because for the most part you can see who you're passing to on the wider screen. Going back to the old game, I found I had to look down at the radar a lot more & that made trying to pass or put together a run considerably more difficult.

ok, the new become a legend mode aside, this game is a huge step backwards (in other words it's really quite a piece of crap) and having been an ISS/PES head for ten+ years i think about time i consider fifa, or just going back a few years and playing retro.

I played this for a few hours at at the weekend and it is honestly dogshit

was a huge fan up to pes 2008 which was so bad I went to fifa... and the latest fifa is so good (and pes 2009 seems so horrible) that I've never looked back... still, I'm curious to see what the next pes will be like.

I've said that already on this thread or the fifa one, though.
sorry !

say it again.

so- latest fifa on PS2? or revert back to PES 4?

Is anyone besides me excited about PES for the Wii? The 2008 version was my favorite footie game in quite a while, and if they've fixed the defense (as previews seem to suggest) 2009 should be outstanding. Though having to wait until March sucks.

latest fifa on 360 (and I used to play PES on ps2).
I've never played the old PES on ps2 since I went 360.
might have to try sometime. just for the good ol'days ! (I think PES 4 or 5 might have been my favourite game ever. But fifa09 might be the best foot game ever).
I've never played the wii version of PES. the controls seem very weird.

With the Wii version you play god, moving all the pieces as opposed to one at a time; it allows you to set up some beautiful runs, feints and create open space to pass to. However, in 08 you initiated the shot but didn't control it; it appears in 09 you do have control over placement and power.

It is a very different scheme, and takes some acclimation. Once accomplished, the level of control of off-ball movement really amplifies the feeling of accomplishment.

you went from "classic" PES on ps2 to the wii version ?
must be hell to lose the reflex and get used to the new controls !
Most of the times, when I play with someone who's not used to fifa and ask me how to do so and so, I'm quite unable to answer since it's almost all reflexes by now !

Yeah, my game dropped precipitously, and I'm not as good with the Wii as with PES5. However, I tried this years FIFA and was absolutely atrocious. I don't know if I want to learn yet another control scheme, and my disappointment/frustration with player spacing and off-ball movement just about kills it for me. Of course, if I didn't suck I'd probably have a better time.

i'd favour going back to an earlier version for precisely those reasons, but that feels kinda lazy.

yeah, going from PES' controls and gameplay to fifa's was pretty hard.
more generally, I have this problem with new games because I'm too lazy to learn all the controls...
sad, eh ?

main reason people fell into the FIFA vs PES argument would have been the 'can't be bothered to learn both' i'd say.

well, also you don't need to have the latest version of each at the same time. I don't think anybody plays both during the same period.
So, yeah, basically, you just play one and, in general, for these controls/gameplays habits reasons, people just pick the latest version of the one they already know.
now that I can play both, each year I just try to find out which one is the best and go with it till the following one.

The thing about the upcoming wii one that has me a bit worried is they've said it's going to have multiple control schemes, also allowing for the use of the classic controller (with traditional pro evo controls). It seems to me that is going to be hard to balance and could mess up the game. I do like the idea of what they tried last year, but feel like it wasn't quite there - in terms of control, there just wasn't enough where you actually felt like you were in control. Passing was so perfect though - so much better, and moving players off the ball was also a very nice addition. Still, it felt like a couple of steps forward and a couple of steps back at the same time?

I'm slightly concerned about the multiple controls myself, but if it allows for two player local then cool. Balancing must be addressed, obviously, but head to head I would think pointer control, esp. passing, would trump any classic control system.

My only real issue last year was defense, and from what I've read they've at least tried to address it. Additional shooting controls will be nice, too.

HI DERE CHINA CALL UP!!!111

after winning the treble two years in a row, being top scorer in europe and winning european best player, league best player, league assist king, world+europe+league best eleven, my talents are finally recognised by the china coach

got my ireland call up after three full seasons in attacking midfield for man united. i can see why our best players don't fucking bother anymore.

this is a shit awful game on PS2, buggy, no control over player half the time and just plain lazy. still play it more than any other though.

heh china has NO GOALKEEPER. basically if the opposition has a shot the ball goes in

have you managed to find a team that just hoofs it to fuck out of the back yet? when you find that team, stick with them, cos every shower i've been stuck with so far concedes 20+ goals a season with fannydanglin centre backs

Is this any good on the wii then? I was never any good at this on the PS2 anyway, despite buying a new one every two years so my flatmate could beat me, but I like the idea of putting my wii-character guy on the pitch.

Hi dere I Love Games, I've entered the 3rd generation or whatever side-generation the wii resides in.

I didn't get an Ireland call up even after scoring 30 goals for Barca in a season. Dunphy would be fucking raging.

oh, rilly? i got player of the tournament at the european championships, called up for my debut on the first match of them tournament proper.

maybe i'm keeping you out?

http://www.learningwaves.ie/images/news/Eamonn.jpg

"this fitzgerald lad for barcelona has scored 30 goals. he is a very great player. yet the birdbrains in charge of Irish soccer will not let the kid play."

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/bob.dunning/giles2.jpg

"he doesn't show enough moral courage for me, bill"

"no honesty of effort!"

ah this game still manages to hold my attention, for all of its needless flaws. i'm at man city now- moved from chelsea to united to city in 6 months. don't know how they sorted my registration out, but it's a joy to play for city relative to united.

honestly- they would only pass to ronaldo, and he always took a shot. lols for about ten minutes, but after three weeks of it i think i know why berbatov is in a sulk nowadays.

so i got this because i wanted to compare it to fifa09 which i borrowed recently.

is it me or is the ref a bit 'handy' with the cards?

it seems a bit twitchy in changing the controlling player at times, kind've annoying.

pressing Start to skip replays is hugely frustrating, what was wrong with just pressing X?

do the player graphics not get muddy after a while? seems visually rather boring.

in summary, yeah fifa was slightly better. but i'll probaly wait until fifa10 which will use 360 rotation (amazed that these games are still restricted to 8 way-directions)

is it me or is the ref a bit 'handy' with the cards?

ive only played this on a dozen occasions, but playing it on xbox live with my pal Sav one day he got a red card for a tackle where using the A button gentle tackle he tripped my player, in a non-threatening position and got red carded for it.

it seems a bit twitchy in changing the controlling player at times, kind've annoying.

I've found this to be the case with the last few PES (whatever the last one I played on the PS2 was, and the last couple on the 360). It infuriates me so much that I go manual on the player changes. Gets annoying when you pass to someone and it doesn't automatically swap your control to that guy, but at least then I only have myself to blame.

pressing Start to skip replays is hugely frustrating, what was wrong with just pressing X?

This pisses me off; some you can skip with start, others pressing start just brings up the pause menu. Really gets on my tits.

And, yeah, they dish out cars pretty loosely in this on. It's way to strict, particularly for a game with collision detection that is, on occasion, ropey.

That said, haven't played Fifa for years (probably '98 or RTTWC was the last time), so couldn't compare the too. I only really play PES these days when there's a group of us having drinks before heading out.

(amazed that these games are still restricted to 8 way-directions)

you me both. i haven't even bothered getting this for 360 since it doesn't have a decent d-pad.

they brought out a special new xbox pad with an "improved" d-pad. It was virtually the same and still shit.

fifa10 has 360 degree motion, thank finally

ah lads. what'm i gonna do?

this is awful. i'm in an awful spot.