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Welcome to the offseason.

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Monday, 6 April 2026 18:49 (one month ago)

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania

BREAKING: The Chicago Bulls have dismissed executive vice president of basketball operations Arturas Karnisovas and general manager Marc Eversley, sources tell ESPN.

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Monday, 6 April 2026 18:50 (one month ago)

gotta give em a lil more time

lag∞n, Monday, 6 April 2026 18:57 (one month ago)

fascinated to find out how they'll hire someone even worse

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 April 2026 19:04 (one month ago)

this draft is funny theres the consensus top 3 then its possible that 6 of the next 7 picks will be guards and what order theyll go in i dont think anyone knows

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2026 02:38 (one month ago)

even though the atl pick isnt gonna be amazing for sa this year (probably #20) im kinda fascinated by what the sopurs will do bc theyve always committed to best player available and now that seems kinda stupid this year bc they really do not need another guard but desperately need a guy with size who can shoot and rebound, and there might be some options there at that pick if they keep it.

big boodith judith (m bison), Thursday, 9 April 2026 02:58 (one month ago)

cameron carr could be nice for them hes not the big wing/pf that they really need but he is a wing who can shoot which they need, crazy athlete too

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2026 03:06 (one month ago)

i could see it, spurs play a pretty small lineup anyway (usually two guards, two small wings, and a big), harrison barnes might be the only guy who is a true pf although that is almost exclusively where 6'6" carter bryant plays too

big boodith judith (m bison), Thursday, 9 April 2026 04:13 (one month ago)

at some point theyre prob going to need to back the truck up for a big wing who can play the 4 rebound shoot and so forth, those guys are in demand

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2026 16:00 (one month ago)

they may already have that guy in carter. he plays bigger than his height would suggest. super strong, very defensively active, and has put together a few pretty nice games in recent weeks. if he turns a corner and becomes a consistent day in day out guy, he’s gonna be a really really good role player for them.

big boodith judith (m bison), Thursday, 9 April 2026 17:09 (one month ago)

yeah could be he is quite robust hes pretty raw tho and youd like him to be a lil bigger for the 4

lag∞n, Thursday, 9 April 2026 17:22 (one month ago)

the madison square surveillance state

On May 5, 2021, the Rangers were playing the Washington Capitals. The game started out nuts, with 14 players fighting in the first five minutes. But Eversole's crew was more concerned with policing the fans when the Capitals took a commanding lead into the third period.

“Just heard a sell the team. Any idea who screamed it,” Eversole asked a Signal group chat of MSG security staff reviewed by WIRED. Two minutes later, he added: “Now Dolan sucks. Where is it.”

https://www.wired.com/story/madison-square-garden-jim-dolan-surveillance-machine/

lag∞n, Friday, 17 April 2026 13:49 (three weeks ago)

lol

MSG Entertainment declined to specifically comment on WIRED's reporting about Dolan and the activities of his security teams. A company spokesperson said in a statement that “this story is built on false, misleading and unverified allegations, including claims drawn from lawsuits filed by rapacious litigators. We categorically reject such reckless reporting and are actively evaluating our legal options against WIRED.”

lag∞n, Friday, 17 April 2026 13:51 (three weeks ago)

embarrassing.

i'm sure we talked about this at the time but here's an article from a few years ago about MSG using facial recognition as a tool in their valiant mission to eliminate any mindcrimes against James Dolan happening on their property

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 17 April 2026 15:38 (three weeks ago)

WIRED exposing all the psy ops this week

symsymsym, Friday, 17 April 2026 15:42 (three weeks ago)

i wonder if zohran & lina kahn will take an interest in this…

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 17 April 2026 16:59 (three weeks ago)

hornets shameful quarter

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 00:12 (three weeks ago)

oops

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 00:12 (three weeks ago)

no it's correct because the hornets will be in the offseason shortly

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 April 2026 01:40 (three weeks ago)

that is true

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 01:45 (three weeks ago)

sad way to go out but one would think theyve got a nice shot at making the real playoffs next year

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 01:46 (three weeks ago)

yeah we'll see, i think they're still a very high-variance team given their youth and style of play

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:01 (three weeks ago)

think if they can stay healthy theyll prob be good ball and miller are kinda injury prone tho

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:20 (three weeks ago)

i dont really understand miller as a player he puts up good numbers but he seems pretty passive a lot of the time, they dont really use him as a ball handler seems like hes mostly either hanging out in the corner or coming off of screens cutting etc, is he not good the with the ball

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:24 (three weeks ago)

ball balls, miller mills

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:35 (three weeks ago)

ha nice

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:42 (three weeks ago)

the roles they were mfin born to play

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 18 April 2026 02:56 (three weeks ago)

billy donovan exiting the bulls, apparently being the most important person in their basketball op was not compelling enough

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 21 April 2026 14:47 (two weeks ago)

one could see how coaching the bulls might get tiring after a while

lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 April 2026 17:17 (two weeks ago)

pretty funny for the guy who runs the bulls to be like "if a candidate doesn't think billy donovan is one of the best coaches in the nba then he isn't right for this job!" and then like a week later billy donovan quits. great franchise

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 April 2026 17:21 (two weeks ago)

kudos to the bulls for developing a new kind of worst team the always slightly below average worst team, it doesnt seem like a team thats slightly below average can be a worst team how can they compete with the wizards or kings who are frequently very bad but after a while of watching them put up 39 wins a year it starts to seem somehow worse than being really bad

lag∞n, Tuesday, 21 April 2026 17:26 (two weeks ago)

pretty funny for the guy who runs the bulls to be like "if a candidate doesn't think billy donovan is one of the best coaches in the nba then he isn't right for this job!" and then like a week later billy donovan quits. great franchise

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, April 21, 2026 1:21 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Is it possible the guy who runs the Bulls was having difficulty finding candidates who thought Billy Donovan was one of the best coaches in the NBA so he went to Billy Donovan and suggested he quit before he was fired. I'm probably assigning to much logic to the guy who runs the Bulls.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 April 2026 17:49 (two weeks ago)

kudos to the bulls for developing a new kind of worst team the always slightly below average worst team, it doesnt seem like a team thats slightly below average can be a worst team how can they compete with the wizards or kings who are frequently very bad but after a while of watching them put up 39 wins a year it starts to seem somehow worse than being really bad

This was m/l the warriors for a decade straight before curry’s first good year (‘13). It’s real painful to go through.

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Tuesday, 21 April 2026 20:27 (two weeks ago)

I think I’m becoming a big Darius Acuff Jr guy

Heez, Thursday, 23 April 2026 04:05 (two weeks ago)

not saying it cant work, jalen brunson, but taking a small guard who cant defend is just so dicey, trae young

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 11:14 (two weeks ago)

these six guards who are going to go somewhere soon after the top three is kind of a crazy sitch which one of them is best which is worst who is to say

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 11:17 (two weeks ago)

think im gonna go

mikel brown
kingston flemmings
labaron philon
keaton wagler
darius acuff
brayden burries

i have absolutely no confidence in this it could be perfectly wrong

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 11:28 (two weeks ago)

think brown and flemmings are the only guys of the group who have legit nba size athleticism and creation ability, philon and wagler are unathletic and weak acuff is small and burries is prob more of a complimentary player in the league

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 11:34 (two weeks ago)

not saying it cant work, jalen brunson, but taking a small guard who cant defend is just so dicey, trae young

― lag∞n, Thursday, April 23, 2026 4:14 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is bad real bad michael jackson

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Thursday, 23 April 2026 12:38 (two weeks ago)

i will say that ultimately the teams have to decide who they like, size athleticism etc are all just heuristics so far as projecting being good at nba goes, for instance steph curry does not have elite nba physical gifts and yet he is still very good at basketball, and draft history is littered with athletic freak busts

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 13:38 (two weeks ago)

^ all of which are good arguments against tanking as a surefire way to accelerate a rebuild. it only works as well as your scouting team and general manager's abilities allow. it also helps a lot if the owner doesn't get involved in making the final decision.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 23 April 2026 17:53 (two weeks ago)

even if you have good decision makers a full teardown tank is pretty risky okc did it, celtics traded away their aging stars then started building towards being a winning team almost immediately, spurs just kinda had a bad team and then tanked for wemby, nugs didnt tank, minny was bad for a couple years dont remember what they did as far as tanking to get ant, cavs tanked for a few years post bron i think, indy tanked this year but didnt really tank to get their finals team last year

so the only top team that really did the full on multi year bottom out plan was the thunder, most of the others did some lesser spot tanking, denver drafted the best basketball player in the world at the end of the second round during a taco bell commercial

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 18:13 (two weeks ago)

tbf cleve mightve been a full teardown and then they just moved their acquired assets for a quick return to form dont really remember the exact circumstances other than lebron wasnt on the team anymore

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 18:18 (two weeks ago)

that last year of cleveland lebron was a bizarre roster https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2018.html

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 18:19 (two weeks ago)

cleveland thought they were setting themselves up for life post-lebron better than they had the first go around but they didn't count on kyrie being a weirdo and requesting a trade, then getting fleeced by danny ainge as one does when they actually traded him

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 23 April 2026 18:49 (two weeks ago)

OKC only bottomed out for a couple of seasons - they were in the 2020 playoffs, and back in the play-ins in 2023. They fast tracked their rebuild with the lopsided Clippers trade, but haven't had many high draft picks. Chet was #2, the next highest pick in their squad is Cason Wallace (#10).

In comparison, Rockets got four consecutive top 4 picks, while Spurs got three top 4 picks, including a generational big man at #1. Not sure why the Thunder are the poster boys for tanking...

aphoristical, Thursday, 23 April 2026 19:07 (two weeks ago)

because teams want to believe that they can just throw in the towel and not try to win and it will lead to becoming the thunder

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 23 April 2026 19:14 (two weeks ago)

so crazy it just might work

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 20:15 (two weeks ago)

tho it is true the thunder rebuild was really more like the celtics than it was the process

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 April 2026 20:16 (two weeks ago)

Taylor Jenkins new Bux coach. Ja / Giannis pairing loading

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Friday, 1 May 2026 03:46 (one week ago)

Welcome to the offseason Blazers, Hawks & Nuggets.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 1 May 2026 04:40 (one week ago)

I forgot to add the Suns to that list, but they're easily forgettable.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 1 May 2026 17:46 (one week ago)

sorry the season is over for the nugs kev, i feel like gordon is maybe the most valuable player in the league in a way?

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, May 1, 2026 8:16 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah. I’ve been ruefully noting this team’s parallels to milwaukee’s post-championship era, and gordon’s importance and lack of availability is pretty reminiscent of middleton’s role. they’ve been better overall and jokic has been more available than giannis, but the overall trend is pretty unmistakable.

that game was so frustrating. minnesota had 19 offensive rebounds, and it felt like they all came on shots where the nuggets played good defense for 20 seconds and forced a tough shot. some of those were bad bounces, but minnesota clearly wanted this more and fought for those rebounds. and mcdaniels just owns jamal. brutal way to go out

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 1 May 2026 17:57 (one week ago)

moving my nuggets talk over here because they don’t deserve to be in the offs

on the other, denver’s depth was really exposed — minnesota was missing their three best guards but still had mcdaniels, randle & naz to facilitate some sort of offense. meanwhile denver was mostly healthy but was running out guys who were basically useless — braun & spencer jones played 63 minutes combined and took 8 shots, bruce brown was kinda just running around out there… cam johnson had a good game but he’s still just a spot up shooter. one of the two teams just had a flat out better roster

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, May 1, 2026 8:52 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

have to stick up for a couple of these guys here. spencer jones was on a two-way contract this year, he wasn’t supposed to have to play this sort of role. being a league-average level player is a huge find for them and he helped keep them afloat in the regular season. but he’s obviously not the kind of guy you’d want to have to start a playoff series since AG and watson were out, but that’s not on him

cam johnson was great last night and it wasn’t just his outside shooting. his shot was off in the beginning of the year and that got a lot of attention, but I thought he was a solid defender all year and he finished the season really strong. he shot 79% at the rim this series and was pretty much the only nugget to get there consistently. his contract is super reasonable. they do miss MPJ’s rebounding though

braun…yeah. totally a lost year for him. his contract has the potential to be a huge albatross. that said he had a bad ankle injury in november, took forever to come back, and wasn’t really the same after. he shot almost 40% from 3 last year and was closer to 30% this year and didn’t have the same presence at the rim, in transition, or on defense. there’s no way they’ll be able to trade him so we’re just going to have to hope for a bounce back. he does play really well with jokic

bruce just isn’t a rotation quality player on most teams any more. he’d be fine getting 10-12 minutes but (again) due to the injuries he had to scale up, and he just doesn’t really have that in him over a large sample. still, for a guy on a minimum contract he gave good value, just had to play too much. I also think he played too much in the regular season when the team was healthy, but the coaches seem to love him. don’t really see it tbh

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 1 May 2026 18:14 (one week ago)

what they gonna do about peyton? they have space to sign him?

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Friday, 1 May 2026 18:57 (one week ago)

well, with the kroenkes the question isn’t space itself but how far into the tax/aprons they’re willing to go. I’m sure there will be some good articles breaking this down soon but my basic understanding of the cap situation is that they’d have to decline valanciunas’s option and then find a team for braun or cam to have the room to sign watson

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 1 May 2026 19:03 (one week ago)

k3v my point wasn't really about those players per se. i'm more saying that this series really exposed a contrast in skill level across the two rosters. the nuggets had their two best offensive players on the floor and were still in need of offensive help and basically had zero role players who were able to provide any sort of offensive creation, get their own shot in any way, seriously alleviate the burden from jokic and murray to generate every point vs two of the best defensive players in the league etc. minnesota meanwhile was being able to continually provide solutions to the problem of needing offensive creation, and even in last night's game where their backcourt was completely decimated, they still had two guys in mcdaniels and randle who could facilitate/generate offense, a third player in naz who is a skilled offensive player, and shannon (in a friendly home environment) able to pitch in as well. to me that was the massive gap in these rosters that tipped the scale in minnesota's favor. the wolves had two great defensive players play great but they were able to almost win just off the strength of that because denver had ultimately zero other players who could seriously test other members of the wolves

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 1 May 2026 19:42 (one week ago)

yeah I think your analysis is sound. I do think cam’s been good but they need to make some major changes starting with finding some more athletes and defensive players. jokic is good for a top 5 offense probably in perpetuity

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 01:16 (one week ago)

just in time…haberstroh with three potential murray trades

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/trade-jamal-murray-3-deals-for-the-nuggets-to-get-help-for-nikola-jokic-143353603.html

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:04 (one week ago)

lol

"That's not my decision, to be honest. Definitely, if we were in Serbia, we would all get fired."

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:07 (one week ago)

not loving these trades nuggs are in a tough spot, doubt toronto is too keen to move kmb either but murray is canadian so maybe they would do it

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:11 (one week ago)

feel like trading gordon might be better prob wouldnt be hard to find a team thatd think hed put them over the top

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:16 (one week ago)

they would get much more for murray who’s younger and just had a career year and isn’t injured

I wouldn’t do the KD trade just because of the injury risk and his age. I kind of love the pistons deal and could be talked into the raptors deal. nuggets are in a tough spot you’re going to be losing your best ball handler and the best non-steph shooter in the league but think they have to take calls since he’s the only player on the team with actual trade value

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:36 (one week ago)

feel like trading gordon might be better prob wouldnt be hard to find a team thatd think hed put them over the top

― lag∞n, Saturday, May 2, 2026 8:16 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

spurs

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 13:52 (one week ago)

I’m listening

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 14:12 (one week ago)

On a recent lowe post zach couldn’t help himself from floating not only some murray trades but joker too. he’s completely simmons-brained in that way but sad that’s even a thing to enter people’s minds. def hope that whatever happens we don’t have to see ugliness like how the giannis situation has been playing out

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 2 May 2026 14:38 (one week ago)

nvm, just saw his contract extension kick in for next year
xp

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 14:44 (one week ago)

he's the ideal archetype for what the spurs need at 4, though

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 14:45 (one week ago)

btw, welcome to the offseason, Rockets. You'll soon have more company coming.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 2 May 2026 16:50 (one week ago)

they would get much more for murray who’s younger and just had a career year and isn’t injured

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, May 2, 2026 9:36 AM (three hours ago)

idk about much more gordon is a star in his role type guy who fits in anywhere where murray is a low end star who a lot of teams already have a guy him or hes just not a great fit, but i think the main thing is they really need murrays creation and are unlikely to replace it if they trade him where with gordon they can maybe cover his duties with some other hopefully younger guys

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 17:28 (one week ago)

gordon hasn’t played 16 straight games in three years. I love the guy and think he’s perfect for the team when healthy, but I have to be realistic. if they were able to find a haul for him I would be very surprised

murray’s defense is a huge issue and is just becoming untenable alongside jokic, even considering their chemistry on offense. I never wanted to get to the point of advocating trading him, but the truth is the nuggets will be a top 5 offense with jokic and any 4 other players. they need athleticism and defense

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 19:54 (one week ago)

gordon hasn’t played 16 straight games in three years. I love the guy and think he’s perfect for the team when healthy, but I have to be realistic. if they were able to find a haul for him I would be very surprised

murray’s defense is a huge issue and is just becoming untenable alongside jokic, even considering their chemistry on offense. I never wanted to get to the point of advocating trading him, but the truth is the nuggets will be a top 5 offense with jokic and any 4 other players. they need athleticism and defense

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 19:54 (one week ago)

i dont think denver HAS to trade anyone big bc theyre still a really good, competitive team in this form, and could improve on the margins to get even closer to championship caliber, but theyre expensive for what they are which is a step below the young worldbeaters of the west (okc and sa)

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:23 (one week ago)

that said, a really interesting trade could be done with murray and...franz wagner as the centerpiece?

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:25 (one week ago)

franz+suggs for murray+cam johnson feels like a trade that helps both teams address their shortcomings

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:27 (one week ago)

was thinking of some magic ones too but with suggs involved

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:38 (one week ago)

murray for franz would be great for orl and maybe good for denver idk theyd be losing a lot of shooting but getting bigger franz and gordon kinda play the same position

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:49 (one week ago)

dont think you could add on suggs and cam cause at that point den is just taking on orls terrible shooting

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:52 (one week ago)

I can’t get any murray to orlando trades to work on the trade machines but Im sure there would have to be other cap shenanigans or extra teams etc

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:54 (one week ago)

i would like a murray for franz swap just to see what happens

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 20:57 (one week ago)

dont think you could add on suggs and cam cause at that point den is just taking on orls terrible shooting

― lag∞n, Saturday, May 2, 2026 3:52 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

they would but they would also shore up one of their biggest weaknesses (point of attack defense), gotta give something up get something

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 21:08 (one week ago)

*to get something

trade would also get denver younger, orlando less pants shitty in the playoffs

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 21:09 (one week ago)

its just too much non shooting for me im going to have to decline

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 21:24 (one week ago)

damn, i guess u rly do need to know when to hold em and when to fold em

big boodith judith (m bison), Saturday, 2 May 2026 21:25 (one week ago)

murray is a $55m-$60m a year player for 3 more years and if he went to a new team he would def try and extort them for a new deal the minute he's extension eligible so tack that on too. i'm a believer in the reality of playoff murray insofar as i think his scoring ability plays up in the playoffs when scoring becomes a lot harder in general, so i'm only taking on that contract if i think i'm one of the 3 or 4 most likely teams in my conference to end up in the conference finals *and* i have a roster that can accentuate his strengths (a big who is comfortable facilitating off hand offs and screens) and cover up his deficiencies (adequate rim protection and perimeter defense around him)

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 22:13 (one week ago)

are the rockets one of those teams?

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 22:59 (one week ago)

the rockets would say no but I’m salivating over a murray/watson for amen/sheppard trade. ime hates sheppard anyway and maybe they’re worried about amen’s extension number

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Saturday, 2 May 2026 23:36 (one week ago)

theyre not trading amen, tari eason tho

lag∞n, Saturday, 2 May 2026 23:38 (one week ago)

Easons value is in the tank atm

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Sunday, 3 May 2026 00:18 (one week ago)

kind of love it short term for both teams, denver could throw in their 2031 first rounder too since the rockets are getting older

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 3 May 2026 00:27 (one week ago)

hi

ciderpress, Sunday, 3 May 2026 02:08 (one week ago)

welcome to hell

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 3 May 2026 02:33 (one week ago)

jamhal mosley already fired, surprised they even let him on the plane back from detroit.

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2026 14:34 (six days ago)

rip bigman

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 14:54 (six days ago)

ime still standing tho

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 14:55 (six days ago)

now that it's officially the boston celtics offseason i want to return to one thing about the tatum injury that has been stuck in my head for the last 11 months -- the theory behind tatum speeding back from his achilles injury was that he got the surgery done the night of the injury, which isn't standard procedure, and because of getting the surgery so soon it was going to allow him to come back faster than anyone else has before. my question is this: is that really how muscles work? is that how surgery works? i'm no doctor but i feel like "if you get the surgery faster you come back faster" was a real thing we may have heard about it or seen it happen before in sports... do k3v or any of our other medical experts want to weigh in? this has been bothering me for a year but i was just like "i'm sure they know what they're talking about!" but now that tatum wasn't able to make it thru 6 playoff games before blowing out i'm back to questioning whether that logic was actually sound

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 16:34 (six days ago)

i dont think that was ever really the primary explanation for why he was able to come back so soon fwiw but it did get thrown into every article, and imo a minor injury isnt much evidence that it was a bad idea for him to come back i mean people get injured all the time in the nba

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:40 (six days ago)

his playoff injury was soreness in the knee on the other leg from the repaired achilles, why would that be indicative of anything?

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:44 (six days ago)

it could be a over compensating thing or lack of conditioning but ultimately who knows he was listed as day to day so one can assume it was very minor and they were just being careful unless they were lying about the severity which is possible

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:46 (six days ago)

i will say one bad thing about this whole situation is my dad is trying out his maybe they should trade tatum takes on me

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:47 (six days ago)

there's been several athletes over the last few days who have come out and said the number one issue when you come back from a severe leg injury such as an achilles is injuries to the other leg because of overcompensation. also frankly tatum's quotes after the game were puzzling to me, the fact that he was like "you know something was inevitably gonna happen to me" which on the one hand sure it's the playoffs everyone gets banged up. however....

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 16:48 (six days ago)

dru smith came back on the same timeline as tatum but w/o the night of surgery so i feel like that whole idea was always kinda specious and as is typical w/ injuries the medical community figures out over the span of decades how to get players to recover faster and tatum was just benefitting from that. however i did want to tie a bow on that whole notion because it was something that was repeated a lot

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 16:48 (six days ago)

yeah im sure ultimately there were a bunch of factors that contributed to his fast recovery and the quick surgery is maybe one of them, would for sure be cool if achilles ruptures are getting figured out and wont be career killers going forward

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:52 (six days ago)

well the stated reason was that the quick turnaround on the surgery meant less time for the muscle to atrophy. i am not a kevin k. so have no idea if that’s true but it was grounded in something beyond just “he had surgery faster”

anyway an opposite knee injury could be overcompensation! we have no idea. there have been a lot of injuries in the playoffs already and the most obvious reason is the level of intensity and exertion is way up from where it had been for the last two months.

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:53 (six days ago)

the mavs are hiring masai urjiri to run stuff

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:54 (six days ago)

the stated reason was that the quick turnaround on the surgery meant less time for the muscle to atrophy. i am not a kevin k. so have no idea if that’s true

same! and i had never in my life heard this before until jayson tatum tore his achilles so i've always wondered whether it was true or not

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 16:54 (six days ago)

breaking Mavericks hire Masai Ujiri as president https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/48676414/sources-mavericks-hire-ujiri-president-alternate-governor

xp

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:55 (six days ago)

who knows if masai still has his fastball but i am positive he knows how to impress a rube like patrick dumont

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:56 (six days ago)

very weird tenure in toronto

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:59 (six days ago)

from what i can tell from consuming jayson tatum injury media theres one major achilles surgeon who has made himself available to the media and is pushing the faster surgery thing and theres been a study that backs it up too but it doesnt seem like a universally accepted idea in the achilles worker community

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 16:59 (six days ago)

macmahon let it slip last week on hoop collective pod that the mavs were trying to poach tim connelly, so they -- i would say smartly... -- were targeting very experienced GMs who can get dumont tf out of the picture

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 17:00 (six days ago)

from what i can tell from consuming jayson tatum injury media theres one major achilles surgeon who has made himself available to the media and is pushing the faster surgery thing and theres been a study that backs it up too but it doesnt seem like a universally accepted idea in the achilles worker community

― lag∞n, Monday, May 4, 2026 12:59 PM (forty-nine seconds ago)

cheers sir

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 17:00 (six days ago)

masai shd convince dumont to trade cooper flagg to the lakers

lag∞n, Monday, 4 May 2026 17:01 (six days ago)

will say that I’m not a surgeon or a sports medicine physician, but my basic understanding is in line with what CAD says. the involved muscles will start to atrophy once they lose their normal attachments, and the rupture will also trigger inflammation in the area, both of which complicate the repair work that needs to be done. I dont work with patients with achilles or ACLs but I do take care of a lot of patients immediately after a hip fracture, and the goal is usually surgery within 24 hours for similar reasons

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 4 May 2026 18:35 (six days ago)

im not achilles or his mother but when my tooth got knocked out the dentist wanted to put it back in straight away (it still died though)

micah, Monday, 4 May 2026 21:11 (six days ago)

bulls new GM is some guy whose claim to fame is working for the pelicans for 20 years... i'm sure it will go great

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 4 May 2026 21:39 (six days ago)

He knows what not to do!

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 4 May 2026 22:14 (six days ago)

pelicans to bulls pipeline. sacramento is next up

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Monday, 4 May 2026 22:46 (six days ago)

are the celtics going to trade jaylen for giannis kinda feel like they might

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:46 (three days ago)

can't think of many better realistic scenarios for the Bucks

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:48 (three days ago)

if i were the bucks id be looking for a picks and young guys type deal since their cupboard is so bare i dont see how swapping giannis for jaylen and whatever is going to make them better but they might see it differently

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:51 (three days ago)

not a fan of any of this

call all destroyer, Thursday, 7 May 2026 17:59 (three days ago)

xpost I feel like the Bucks are going to want a big name back

also somewhere Giannis actually wants to go

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:00 (three days ago)

the bucks have basically only made extremely short sighted decisions in the last 5 years, and though you could view that w/in the context of "do anything to keep giannis" it's more so the GM trying to save his job, and so i don't see why he would suddenly put himself on a 5 year rebuilding plan that involves a bunch of losing, even if that's the most prudent longterm decision for the franchise. also keep in mind the bucks owner is the guy who directed his GM to trade for deshaun watson and give him the most insane contract in NFL history, this is not someone who has previously displayed measured, longterm planning

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:05 (three days ago)

yeah it is true that we cant rely on the bucks to have a good long term plan

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:07 (three days ago)

not a fan of any of this

― call all destroyer, Thursday, May 7, 2026 1:59 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah id prefer they upgrade the roster around the jays which is prob most likely they have the assets to make a big trade without including a jay but the way brad was talking in that press conference idk, also getting the feeling jaylen liked being the man this season and might be ok with moving on

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:07 (three days ago)

also might be the case that even if both teams want to do this trade that the bucks might want so much back along with jaylen that it ends up just not making sense for the celtics, like if they have to give up jaylen and two firsts does it make more sense to just keep jaylen and use the two firsts on a different deal

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:10 (three days ago)

answer: yes

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:10 (three days ago)

fun fact jaylen is only 2 yrs younger than giannis, but the 2 yrs from age 29 to 31 are a pretty significant couple of years

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:12 (three days ago)

i'd be pretty spooked by how poorly the dame thing went if i was trying to pair giannis w/ another ballhandler scorer. tatum now is obv better than old dame, but the bucks were at their best w/ an extremely defined role player situation around giannis & flopped when they tried to upgrade by pairing him w/ another scorer. tatum in theory could really work as an extremely overqualified version of khris middleton but why would you want to trade a bunch of stuff in order to turn jayson tatum into that?

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:13 (three days ago)

i don't necessarily love the idea of the heat trading for giannis but at least in that arrangement you basically place bam in the brook lopez/chris bosh role that he has kinda spent two years training to become

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:16 (three days ago)

i think the celtics could make it work tatum is so versatile and boston is a smart org with good coaching itd be interesting to see what they come up with, and taking a little primary creation off of tatums plate wouldnt be the worst thing

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:20 (three days ago)

i think it could work i would just find it to be an unnecessary risk for where they are as a franchise

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:27 (three days ago)

yeah all things considered particularly giannis injury sitch its prob too risky

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 18:33 (three days ago)

thing brad said in his press conference that made me think about this is that the celtics rim pressure just wasnt good enough, now he did say thats a team not individual responsibility but still when you think rim pressure you think giannis

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:06 (three days ago)

its also not something thats easy to upgrade due to it being prob the most valuable skill in the league, now you could try to add a norm powell level good but not great player who is good at getting to the basket but a lot of those guys are flawed players which is why they arent stars, maybe they shd try to get norm powell not sure its possible but would be pretty cool

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:10 (three days ago)

lagoon can I interest you in a deal centering around jamal murray for white/pritchard

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:18 (three days ago)

murray isnt the most rim pressuring guy out there but he is generally good at basketball so yeah might be worth talking about

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:20 (three days ago)

the situation with derrick is distressing he was so bad at offense this year what happened is he going to get good again

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:22 (three days ago)

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2026/team1/bos/team2/den

ok it’s a deal

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:25 (three days ago)

oh that’s annoying it doesn’t save the trade but it’s murray for pritch/white/garza

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:25 (three days ago)

hmm i dont you can have both white and pritchard

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:28 (three days ago)

looking at the celtics salaries its difficult for them to put together a big trade without including one of tatum brown white, maybe they can extend vooch and that would help idk

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:33 (three days ago)

suspect unless theyre doing a blockbuster that theyd rather send out young guys and picks

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:34 (three days ago)

I forgot the Celtics had Luka Garza, Wolves Reddit would be upset that Mazzulla is continuing Chris Finch's campaign to stop the progress of this sure thing NBA superstar

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:42 (three days ago)

he was actually good for them this year, obvs a limited player but he played with crazy high energy and hit a lot of shots cant complain, i went into the season thinking i was going to hate him but he won me over

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:47 (three days ago)

I like Garza, fun player like you said he can be good in stretches, defense I don't think will ever be good enough to be more than that. I dunno, I suppose every fanbase gets these weird fascinations with bench guys they think are not being given a fair shot.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:51 (three days ago)

ha yeah harboring underground faves

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 May 2026 19:53 (three days ago)

Harden another more-turnovers-than-made-fg playoff game. It’s quite weird how he turns into a pumpkin

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Friday, 8 May 2026 01:43 (two days ago)

draft lottery imminent

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:06 (three hours ago)

theyve got a bunch of top prospects there with their families like its draft night

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:12 (three hours ago)

pacers lost their pick zubac gambit failed

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:19 (three hours ago)

yeah i think thats gonna come back and bite them pretty bad

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:20 (three hours ago)

clippers getting a top 5 pick feels bad to me, like cheat all you want with kawhi nothing matters

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:20 (three hours ago)

gotta say that most of the top 4 seem like teams that could use some fresh blood, bulls might be respectable in a couple of years. if the jazz get dybantsa out of all this this was officially rigged.

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:21 (three hours ago)

1 wizz
2 jazz
3 grizz
4 bullzz

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:26 (three hours ago)

I can't believe this. Bulls will screw it up. I can believe that.

Jeff, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:27 (three hours ago)

avery bradley and danny ainge are sitting at a table together apparently bradley is the jazz vp of player development

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:28 (three hours ago)

peterson feels like a very wiz player, dybantsa obvs jazz guy, and boozer seems like an exact grizz guy, leaving the bulls with i guess wilson

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:31 (three hours ago)

wonder if washington will bait ainge into trading up

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:39 (three hours ago)

have to say I love the results, reasonably spread east/west and the worst franchises mostly got the best picks. might be the last time we see this

k3vin k., Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:39 (three hours ago)

nah danny ainge will never pay retail xp

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 19:41 (three hours ago)

Jazz could be pretty good now, with JJJ, Markkanen, Ace Bailey, Keyonte George, Kyle Filipowski, and a #2 pick?

aphoristical, Sunday, 10 May 2026 20:31 (two hours ago)

what a horrific turn of events for the pacers sheesh

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 10 May 2026 20:40 (two hours ago)

only way they can salvage the zubac move is to sign precious achiuwa and officially become the most alphabetically diverse team in the league

the manda-whore-ian and hoe-gu (voodoo chili), Sunday, 10 May 2026 20:48 (one hour ago)

shoulda protected that pick some more, top 4 too light, top 5 just right

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 21:45 (one hour ago)

Jazz could be pretty good now, with JJJ, Markkanen, Ace Bailey, Keyonte George, Kyle Filipowski, and a #2 pick?

― aphoristical, Sunday, May 10, 2026 3:31 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this could get really interesting real fast, not necessarily a contender but a solid playoff team in a year or two. how did jjj + markky markk play together after the trade deadline? kinda wonder if they can coexist defensively (is lauri too slow to defend dynamic wings? is jjj good at the 5?)

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 21:47 (fifty-nine minutes ago)

I don’t think they did. Don’t think either of them played at all lol Jazz got fined for tanking

You better go listen to lemonade and pray about it (Spottie), Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:28 (eighteen minutes ago)

lol forgot about that, yeah

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:29 (seventeen minutes ago)

it worked jazz victorious over nba

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:39 (seven minutes ago)

jj can play some center and lauri can play some 3 bet well see a mix of lineups from them ace can prob play the 2

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:41 (six minutes ago)

dats a big lineup

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:43 (three minutes ago)

the big guys

lag∞n, Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:46 (forty-eight seconds ago)

the hugh jazz

big boodith judith (m bison), Sunday, 10 May 2026 22:47 (seventeen seconds ago)


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